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Bank crisis overshadows defense in first debate

Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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msnbc.com News — Alex Johnson, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama face each other at the first presidential debate Friday in Oxford, Miss.

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— Wall Street hijacked the first presidential debate Friday night between Democratic Sen.
Barack Obama and Republican Sen.
John McCain, who clashed over tax cuts, congressional spending and President Bush's proposed $700 billion bank bailout in a forum that was supposed to be about foreign policy.

The candidates skirmished over the war in Iraq, with McCain sticking to his support for Bush’s troop “surge” last year and Obama repeating that he opposed the U.S. invasion all along. But the collapse of major financial institutions this month put foreign affairs — the stated topic of the first debate — firmly in the background as the men faced off at the University of Mississippi in Oxford.

Obama sought to tie McCain to the bank crisis, calling it “a final verdict on eight years of failed economic policies promoted by George Bush, supported by Senator McCain.”

“It hasn’t worked,” Obama said, calling the bank meltdown “the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.”

McCain agreed that the crisis was of historic proportions, but he said he felt “pretty good” about things because “we are seeing for the first time in a long time Republicans and Democrats together sitting down trying to work out a solution to this fiscal crisis that we’re in,” referring to congressional discussions in Washington that right up until Friday morning had threatened the debate.

McCain said he would probably end up voting for the rescue package, but he said “we’ve got a lot of work to do.”

“This isn’t the beginning of the end of this crisis,” he said. “This is the end of the beginning.”

Sharp differences over tax cuts
Both candidates also criticized the traditional congressional practice of “earmarking” federal funds for local projects in unrelated legislation and promised to reform the system.

McCain promised to veto every earmark that crossed his desk if he was elected and said he would identify the lawmakers responsible for them, vowing to “make them famous.”

Obama said earmarks were a problem, but he said McCain’s proposal to cut taxes by $300 billion — most of which he claimed would go to the wealthy — would more than wipe out any revenue savings from eliminating them.

Obama said, “Now, $18 billion is important, but $300 billion is more important.”

But McCain said tax cuts were critical to economic recovery. “I want people to have tax cuts. I want every family to have a $5,000 refundable tax credit so they can go out and purchase their own health care,” he said. “I know that the worst thing we can do is to raise taxes on anybody.”

McCain surprised the moderator, Jim Lehrer of PBS, by calling for a spending freeze on all government programs except defense, veterans programs and legally mandated entitlements, a proposal that Obama said was too broad.

Opinion surveys show that McCain’s position is more appealing to voters than Obama’s. The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll showed that respondents preferred “a president who will go in and clean up Washington and take on the waste and fraud in the system” over “a president who will end the Bush administration policies, and have active government oversight” by a margin of 67 percent to 29 percent.

Foreign policy takes back seat
The change of focus meant national security and foreign policy — a topic on which polls show voters favor McCain — did not come into play for more than a half-hour into the debate.

McCain stuck to his guns on a position that has been highly controversial, his support for Bush’s policies in the war in Iraq.

McCain said the war “was very badly mishandled” initially, but he said the troop surge was working.

“The current strategy has succeeded, and we are winning in Iraq,” he said, singling out the U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, as a “brilliant” leader.

“There was a lot at stake there,” McCain said, saying failure would have meant increasing influence by Iran in Iraq’s affairs, more sectarian violence and a wider war “which the United States of America might have had to come back to.”

McCain question’s Obama’s ‘judgment’

Obama, who opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq when it began, echoed McCain’s praise of Petraeus but said it was beside the point.

“The fundamental question is whether we should have gone into Iraq in the first place,” he said, characterizing the surge as no more than “a tactic to fix the problems of the war.”

“John, you like to pretend the war started in 2007,” Obama said. “If the question is who is the best equpped as the next president to make good decisions about how we use our military ... then I think we can take a look at our judgment.”

But McCain countered that whether the war was a good idea was no longer relevant, saying, “The next president of the United States will not have to address the issue of whether or not we should have gone into Iraq.”

“The issue is when we leave and how we leave,” he said, calling Obama’s “stubbornness” on refusing to back the surge showed that he did not have “the experience and the judgment ”to be president.

“We need more flexibility in a president of the United States than that,” McCain said.

McCain reverses course
McCain had said he would suspend his campaign and skip the forum in Oxford unless a deal to rescue Wall Street was in place. With polls showing overwhelming public support for going ahead with the debate, he reversed that position Friday morning.

Interest in the debate was so high that it was projected to pull in far more than the 40 million Americans who saw McCain’s and Obama’s convention acceptance speeches.

McCain’s decision to participate was a relief to organizers at the National Commission on Debates, the University of Mississippi — which spent about $5 million to accommodate the event — and the 3,000 journalists who descended on Oxford to cover it.

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Mari-357475

WOW ! I knew Obama would do well on the first debate but HOLY COW he knocked McCain out of the arena. Obama came out all red, white and blue, a man for his country. McCain just came out all red from embarrassment. I remember those famous words of The Republican President Bush "Bring it on" and Boy O Boy did he ever. Obama has a way of making everything so clear with his words of inspiration. Clearly the republicans has put this great nation into the biggest financial crisis since the great depression. If you republicans weren't stimulated to go democratic by this then I guess you will never get it.

I can't wait for the Biden / Palin debate. Joe is going to pull the ice from under her feet and bury her in the snow.

  • 15 votes
#1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
Ron-374386Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

You have convinced, Mari, you really are a nitwit.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
MJB-337959

I agree with Obama - John your right! John your right! John your right! John your right! John your right! John your right!
John your right! John your right!

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
fatzzntheskinny

Right on, Mari! Good clear vision of what really happened. I was watching the graph underneath more than the debaters and Obama pushed it higher and kept it there longer. The audience was convinced it was Obama. But then, what do they know, right? A college educated audience to whom the subjects of finance and security might seem like drawing room talk to those who don't have a drawing room.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
Wilfred of Ivanhoe

Why was McCain afraid to look at Obama?

  • 12 votes
#1.4 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
US Freedom

McCain ran circles around Obama...Obama was too busy chocking on his words without his teleprompter!!

Obama looked like a level one trainee on the job!!

McCain is going to get a huge jump in the polls.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
NK-529428

Get past the fascade and listen to what they are saying. John McCain is willing to cut the tax rate for businesses to give them the incentive to stay in the US so that we don't keep losing jobs overseas. Obama reminds me more and more of "Slick Willy" Clinton. We can't afford the economic package they are working on now and the socialist programs that Obama is suggesting for health care and education. I saw the CNN program that the Secretaries of State were on and Henry K said that the meetings with Iran should be with someone of the level of our Sec of State not the Pres. Obama must have slept through that part. I don't want a president who is packaged and fed his information. I want one that has learned from his parties' mistakes and is willing to admit them and work to get this country back on track. John McCain can get the job done.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
Lisa-517960

I agree with the fact that Senator McCain would not look Senator Obama in the eyes, even at the very beginning when they shook hands. It shows rampant disrespect. Could it be all the lies he has been telling or planning to tell? I found Senator Obama looked more presidential, composed, and knowledgable. I didn't buy he didn't understand or was naive. I found he has a good sense of foreign policy and has the middle class more in mind for the economy. Huge points to Obama. McCain was absurd.

  • 10 votes
#1.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
Rhonda T

I agree the better looking and more composed candidate is Obama for sure. We are looking for a leader not a centerfold. But I believe that Obama cares more about the Average American and that means something to me. With Mccain's plan to have only 2 Tax brackets, is an old way of thinking. What is it rich and poor. Are we in the dark ages? Well, coming from the source I guess so. I am disturbed by Mccain and his tactics. I haven't always been happy with Obama either. Mccain is a weirdo and definately looks like one. And his stances on most issues are antiquated and very similiar to the last 8 years. I am tired and weary and need something else. Not Mccain. I know that most politicians scream CHANGE blah blah, but I'm willing to see. Mccain said 'YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND' too many times. I don't think HE understands. Stop living in the past Mccain. Obama has my vote on this debate. MSNBC are biased. It's obvious. That's fine..I'm the one voting over here.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
bajangirl53

MJB -
This manifests Obama's innate instinct to treat everyone decently. Also, "John is perfectly right" was meant to convey sardonically, that what John McCain was saying did not match with what he has done. He was SAYING what is right - sometimes - but hasn't DONE what is right. In every single case, Obama went on to show how McCain was desperately wrong on every issue. Which is why the only defence McCain could resort to, is the supposed maverick image.
It takes an intelligent mind to recognise IRONY.

McCain should go back to being a soldier. That's what he knows a little bit about. He could take orders and fight.

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
Bluto II

I lean toward Obama, but I scored the debate as a close one, with McCain the winner by points. He just concerns me that he is even older than I am, and he has made a weak choice of a successor. Looking forward to the VP debate to make a final call on this.

  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
Turbull-523516

What an amazing job McCain did tonight. I did not expect him to fight so well, being tired after working so hard in Washington!
David Brooks testified tonight on PBS that McCain's role was incredible in bringing those parties together in such a hard time for the nearest future of our country.
Of course, junior Senator wasn't needed there, his role now is only to memorize written statements, remarks, jokes, etc, and stay in good health. The Dem party's aristocracy took such a bet on him.
McCain fought so well and won by showing steady record and incredible experience in comparison with "community organizer".
I was impressed by his knowledge of Russia's big game in the region and he knows the ways how to deal with this not easy issue.
Not everyone, however, acknowledges, that Russia is preparing hot, not cold war in the region.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
LLMTruth

Ron-374386 said:

"You have convinced, Mari, you really are a nitwit."

So, instead of respectfully disagreeing you resort to simplistic name calling. Why, because Mari didn't see it the way you did? Very infantile of you 'my friend'. Maybe if you try and use your intellect to point/counter point perhaps others might see your line of reason. But no, you sit there at your keyboard looking like some 2 year old, calling names. Yeah, real grown up approach, NOT.

There is a lot of merit in Mari's comment. I thought Obama was poised, cool, calm and collected. He displayed more than adequate knowledge in foreign affairs which was supposedly McCain's strong point. Then when Obama brought up McCain's asinine comment about the Prime Minister of Spain, you could just see McCain's veins bulging and pulsating. McCain looked uneven and disheveled. And telling an ally like Pakistan that their government is unstable is not a way to endear someone to your cause. McCain did have some moments, but they were few and far between. For the most part he looked angry and agitated in his own area of 'expertise' where he's suppose to have the advantage.

Now, if you want to call me a nitwit go right ahead but that would be tantamount to capitulation on your part.

  • 6 votes
#1.12 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:38 AM EDT
LLMTruth

NK-529428 said in part:

"...John McCain is willing to cut the tax rate for businesses to give them the incentive to stay in the US so that we don't keep losing jobs overseas..."

Funny you would say that. Under the Bush backed by McCain policies of corporate tax cuts the unemployment rate is at 6.1% and more businesses than ever are outsourcing American jobs. So if McCain's notion of cutting more taxes for corporate America are the key then when are they going to STOP shipping jobs overseas and create more jobs here? And why haven't they already started since they've had these tax cuts for the duration of Bush's tenure? Although in theory it might sound good, I would rather look at the results; and what I see is nothing in the way job creation here in America.

Maybe I'm wrong, but from where I'm standing tax cuts for Corporate America has done nothing so far. That fact alone makes the rest of your argument rather moot...

  • 6 votes
#1.13 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:52 AM EDT
MJB-337959

bajangirl53 -

Now here's class - "It takes an intelligent mind to recognise IRONY."

Typical Obama supporter responce. So he wasn't treating McCain "decently."

Also McCain called Obama - Senator Obama while Obama called McCain John.

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:50 AM EDT
pddoc

I found Mccain's uncomfortable look and lack of eye contact alarming. Let me tell you why Mccain will lose. I work law enforcement we use a little thing called "use of force" we start by calmly explaining our stance to get the opponent to meet our needs then work our way up. Mccain starts from the top of the chart which will put our opponents at guard like they have been for eight years now. Another item what do you think gets cut first in Mccain's "government freeze"? That is the social programs. This includes your police powers believe it or not. When the war first happened 26 social programs were cut right off the board and your police power budgets were trimmed. That means less officers, less social workers, and less every social program worker you can think of. I can tell you where I work the officers were cut in half and since then more officer deaths and violence has emerged than any time in our history. I can tell you also my life is not going to be in Mccains hands.

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:31 AM EDT
Brett-452867

This country has had eight years of reckless, stubborn, go-it-alone cowboy diplomacy and a dimwit for a commander-in-chief. We can't afford another 4 years (to say the least for 4 more MONTHS) of these incompetent, belligerent fools.

What America needs more than ever is a coolheaded intellectual with a steady hand and less knee-jerk xenophobia from conservative hate-mongers. Barack Obama exemplifies that calm deliberation and reassuring confidence in a way that McCain's bluster and arrogance never will.

All I saw last night was one tantrum after another from the Arizona senator. And after all, why not? He's just living up to his reputation as an erratic hothead.

As for the economic crisis, people need to get the idea out of their heads that what we decide in the short-term is going to "clip the next president's wings", or scuttle his entire domestic agenda. America is more resilient than that. No candidate can just coast into the White House and accomplish their entire list of campaign promises in the first budget. GET REAL! That's where you need an executive who can make thoughtful decisions about how to set priorities, and again, Barack has McCain beat hands down on this.

Vote for McCain, and you will get four more years of giveaways to pharmaceutical and energy companies who will do NOTHING to reduce the price of prescription drugs or gasoline. Just keep holding out hope that tax breaks for billionaires will trickle down to lift you out of minimum wage. While you're waiting, you might want to put aside a few thousand dollars to pitch in for McCain's first Wall Street bailout, 'cause you can bet your life it's coming if you put this good 'ol boy in office!

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
stackpat

Everyone on the democratic ticket keeps saying that the current administration is to blame for the economic mess. They are right! The democratically controlled congress has pushed our great nation to the brink of economic disaster! Why Senator McCain has not mentioned this eludes me. Should Obama win the presidency (god help us if he does), total control by the democrats will kill this great nation. I'm sure Iran and other rogue middle-eastern fractions would love to see Obama win.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
Steve-505729

I am not sure what debate any of you were watching.. but.. on the biggest Issue of the Night.. and the very first Question... On what either Candidate thought of the Economic Bail out . Neither Candidate answered the Question..

If either Candidate would have just came out and Said.. I am against it and dont think we should be Bailing out Corporate America Period.

Ok. i am a Republican .. and here is where i saw this debate.. I believe that McCain came out Even on the Economic issue .. we know thats not his strong point..

On Foreign Affiars, there is no Question that Obama Lost Big time he did not have a vision for the Future He LIED when he said he never said he would meet with Terrorist Leader without Pre conditions.
There were many Mistakes on both sides the fact that Obama is Trying to equate McCain with Bush is not working. People know that neither one of these Candidates is George Bush.

McCains numbers will go up because of his Strong Foreign policy position

  • 2 votes
#1.18 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
Abunai

I wasn't able to watch the debate, but if a story on MSNBC calls it a tie...then McCain must have done much better than Obama.

  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
DUANE-552524

I AM not convinced that either candidate won this debate. avoiding answering the questions directly and answering with only generalities was the norm. I wish we had better choices in this race. Neither of these guys would be my choice.

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
Mari-357475

I have an idea. If we want the candidates to look at each other then the next time there is a debate we should have them sit across a table from each other. That way they have to look at each other and if one doesn't look into the eye of his opponent, well then we know why don't we.

  • 2 votes
#1.21 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
Tom-286396

Did anyone notice the weird grimace that McCain wore for most of the debate? At times, he looked like my sister and brother-in-law''s baby when it''s filling its diaper. At other times, his grimace reminded me of the joker in "Batman." Hopefully, his debate coaches will work with him on his body language for his next debate.......

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
Mari-357475

I like McCain's voice better than Obama's voice

I like Obama's politics better than McCain's

  • 3 votes
#1.23 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
r-nevada

WHAT DEBATE WERE YOU WATCHING? WHAT I HEARD WAS OBAMA SAYING MCCAIN WAS RIGHT.
READ THE FOLLOWING
TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE........FYI only.
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT
PORTFOLIOS!

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....

REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, TO CHANGE THINGS FOR THE BETTER ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
Mari-357475

It's going to take a lot of work and some time to fix what the republicans destroyed. All it's going to take to get the job done is to have a Democratic President with a democratic congress. Watch and learn.

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
David J.R

You see, you have the typical mindset of a liberal.

I bet if Obama gets elected ever bad thing he will do will be blamed on the prior administration allowing him to get a free card to do whatever he wants.

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
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Bob Eddy

What in the hell were the MSNBC journalist watching? They felt Obama did great and McCain seemed irritated with Obama, WHAT? Just goes to show the liberal bias of the main stream media. Obama did awful! All he could do was stare over at McCain with a scowl. He was rude the entire time, always interrupting by acting like a child, "that's not true John, that's not true." What a horrible debater. Obama certainly showed his immaturity, he did awful. He barely answered any of the questions.

  • 8 votes
#2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:51 PM EDT
ftpolkmp

Are you suprised? look at Keith Olbermann's webpage. You'd think it was Michael Moore's home page.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
UtahDemo

You have got to be nuts.

McCain kept interrupting toward the middle and end of the debates and would not shut up to allow Obama or the moderator to get a word in edgewise. I would not be surprised to see McCain in a cast tomorrow he certainly attempted to pat himself on the back throughout most of the debate. It seemed also as though he refused to take his share of responsibility for backing the current administrations screw ups both militarily and economically.

  • 8 votes
#2.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
youngladyNC

Are you serious....what debate were you watching....you need to go watch that again obama did great!!

  • 6 votes
#2.3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
ftpolkmp

What a bunch of bull. None of the senator's house, or executive branch ever take responsibility for the problems. Look at the current economic failure. If the Legislative branch had gone after the lenders and told them when the issues started that you will do something to fix the economic issue or we will force sanctions on you we would not be in this problem. Instead of forcing the lenders to fix the issue themselves we were trying to give money to bail out home buyers. We should have been telling the lenders give the people a reasonable mortgage rate or else. Instead the Legislative Branch was was trying to throw money at the problem. Now they have no choice but to throw money at the problem. So what do we hear from our distinguished Senators and Representitives saying now's not the time to point fingers but it's the other sides fault. None of them even know a thing about responsibility to include your McCain or Obama

    #2.4 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
    Fisherman144

    Bob - I've read your inane posts on other blogs and they all come out the same way. You have blinders on. McCain looked like he was reading from some kind of pre-planned dialog and didn't answer the questions. He was an embarrassment and looked a lot older. His shoulders are a little more stooped and he seems to have aged 5 years in the last couple of months. Obama has fresh ideas and the guts to carry them through. McCain is a has-been.

    • 9 votes
    #2.5 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
    mama-376073

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      #2.6 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:37 PM EDT
      mama-376073

      this blog sucks. its posting to the wrong comments. I'm out

        #2.7 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
        Virginia Ruth

        bob eddy,
        Were you watching the same debate?
        It was McCain who was the rude one. He tried to cover it up, with his slick talk. Just like his twin brother George Bush. I don't think McCain's hearing is good. He is standing right next to Obama, yet he he took the man's words and twisted them to his advantaged. He's a skilled liar, and the truth is not in him. The main issue should have been the financial crisis that the USA is facing.
        One of these candidates will have to overcome a tremendous mess in Washington when they take office next January. I do not believe Senator John McCain is the best man for the job. He's George Bush all over again. He kept saying he knew the veterans, and was going to take care of them. Well, what about the rest of the country? This country is in the worst condition it has ever been, since the Great Depression. And that's largely due to the Bush administration. If we are ever going to rebound from this financial disaster, there has to be a change in Washington.
        NO MORE George Bush! NO Way, No How, No John McCain! This country has been patient with Washington for the past 8 years. There are over 1/2 million people who are unemployed, the war in Iraq is a huge part of our debt @ $10 billion dollars a year, thousands have lost homes due to bad mortgage loans, Fannie & Freddie needed to a bailout, thousands can't afford health care, major banks & Financial institutions are being bailed out by the Federal government or larger companies, gas prices are increasing, businesses are going out of business, crime is up, and paychecks are down. It's time for a CHANGE in Washington.

          #2.8 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
          CJ-374408

          What a joke!! MSNBC biased? Thank God we have one station to offset the bull put out by Fox news. I am so sick of the whiny republicans who complain when any news station brings out the truth. By the way, we all know that is part of the Rove campaign tactics. Hey you democrats out there...why dont we all start threatening Fox news? We could target their advertisers who sponsor purely biased programming 24 hours a day. After all, they all ganged up on Oprah. I want to know why Sarah Palin cant debate like any other candidate runnin for office. She should be able to stand up and handle it. Instead, they are just going to ask her questions..not really a debate. The repubs probably picked out the questions also. This is absolutely unfair that they are not having a true debate. I guess she is just too sweet and pretty for that.

          • 6 votes
          #2.9 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
          Shookoby

          1. AMERICA IS BEING PLAYED.

          2. REPUBLICANS HAVE STAGED THIS WAR IN HOPES OF GETTING AMERICANS HOOKED ONTO THEIR PUPPET STRINGS.

          3. AS OBAMA SAID, "THIS WAR DID NOT BEGIN IN 2007".

          4. ALL OF THE RECENT TURN OF EVENTS INCLUDING THE "SURGE" HAS BEEN IN EFFORT TO CORRECT WRONG DECISIONS MADE BY THE REPUBLICANS.

          5. AS OBAMA SAID, THE WAR IS AN ISSUE OF NATIONAL SECURITY WHEN WE CHOOSE TO IGNORE ECONOMIC ISSUES AND PURSUE A WAR WE CANNOT AFFORD. EVENTUALLY THE WAR WILL CAUSE US ALL TO BE VULNERABLE.

          6. DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT CHANGES WILL BE MADE AS FAR AS WALL STREET IS CONCERNED. IF THE WAR CONTINUES THERE WILL BE NO WALL STREET.

          • 5 votes
          #2.10 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
          LauraG-579097

          Boy, Obama isn't so eloquent when he has to actually answer question and talk about specific issues! And I couldn't believe how much he stuttered!! He was visibly rattled by John McCain, and he was always on the defense, it seemed. Which is not what you want in a debate. McCain clearly won this one.....really put him in his place. Especially loved it when he said "so let me get this straight....you're gonna sit at the table with the Iranian jerk, and he's gonna tell you how he's gonna wipe Israel off the map, and you're gonna say "no your not." LOVE IT!! Obama's response was to stutter. And, is Obama really gonna try to act like he's better at foreign policy than JOHN McCAIN?? He needs to pick a different battle. I hope Americans will see how truly inexperienced Obama is. Maybe one day he can cut it, but not now.
          So proud of McCain!!!

          • 6 votes
          #2.11 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
          Rhonda T

          Laura, wow...I guess i was watching it with an open mind. Lol. I don't believe that we care if he stutters. I was annoyed by the use of old war stories to not answer questions. It was annoying and if you were already a supporter it was noble, however with being on the edge, it was annoying. As an American I think it's great that he knows this person and that. Whoopty do. But he never addressed the issues. Name dropping and giving us your resume does nothing for me. I'd rather have Obama lead this country than someone stuck in the past. Not everything in the past was good (even the years he was talking about). I think they stood their ground at times equally, however I truly believe that Obama is more concerned about the American people than making a buck or a war. I have checked the facts and Obama did tell the actual FACTS and Mccain was misleading on most of his stands...other than the name dropping of people he met 24 years ago..or more, that remains to be seen

          • 8 votes
          #2.12 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
          ftpolkmp

          CJ-374408. I agree that Fox is biased but if you do believe that msnbc and Olbermann are not then you have blinders on, and truth...you have to be kidding. I watch the MSNBC morning show because I think there is a better grop of people then the other channel but definiatley biased.

          • 1 vote
          #2.13 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
          Jason-578898

          McCain was the ignorant one, he kept talking down to Obama. No Respect at all. McCain is an idiot, no sense, no logic, he needs to be stopped.

          • 11 votes
          #2.14 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
          bajangirl53

          MSNBC does what every good network should. It has broadcasters of both political stripes.

          David Gregory, Joe Scarborough, and a few others are manifestly pro-Republican. Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann are manifestly pro-Dem.

          No one can say that Brian Williams, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd, Chris Matthews and a few others are not scrupulously neutral and unbiased.

          Fox (Faux) news is a totally different ball game!

          • 3 votes
          #2.15 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:03 AM EDT
          ftpolkmp

          Yeah except Olberman and Maddow have a show during Prime Time which is just as bad as the Fox shows during Prime time. No one is saying that Fox is not biased but MSNBC is just as bad in the other direction.

          • 2 votes
          #2.16 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:14 AM EDT
          Weaver-476013

          Some thought McCain would show is temper. Just the opposite, McCain had Obama frustrated all night. Looked like Obama would loose his cool on several occasion's.
          About the only thing I agreed with Obama on was " John, your right "

          • 4 votes
          #2.17 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:16 AM EDT
          Tobucks

          Well US FREEDOM, why then by 1:00 am EST the poll taken of Americans has McCain at 22%....Senator Obama 45%... A tie 34%. Seems something is wrong with your estimate, unless of course you pulled a McCain card by simple lying.

          Wow, McCain said spending is out of control in our country and he plans to cut spending and McCain then follows by urging a spending freeze. Seems kind of strange to me that only within the last two weeks our president as well as McCain have both said our economy is alive and well. Dang, I don't need to say any more on this subject do I, after the American people don't blindly follow comments as the blessed word as some people do in their country.

          I found it interesting also that our master of ceremonies, Jim Lair, specifically directed the debater to direct their comments directly at their opponent and not to himself or the audience, yet after the debate ending John had never ever look at Senator even once opting to stare right at Mr. Jim Lair.

          McCain also claimed he loves and support our GIs fighting our wars and they know he supports them whereas his voting record indicates this is another McCain is lying again. I'm a disabled Veteran and I watch these bills very closely and I repeat, McCain lied again.

          No doubt about the election come November, Obama by 85%.....McCain 20% .....Independents 10%

          • 4 votes
          #2.18 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:26 AM EDT
          LLMTruth

          Tobucks, that's the point here. Most of us here have already made up our minds but that poll was taken with the undecideds. That in and of itself makes Obama the clear winner tonight. It's the undecideds that they are tyring to impress not the base, and apparently Obama won hands down.

          Further, while they did talk about the bailout/rescue proposal tonight, the main theme was intended to be foreign policy issues. Now the next debate will be economic policy and watch Obama clean McCain's clock. Because everyone and their grandmother knows McCain doesn't know much about the economy by his own admission...

          • 4 votes
          #2.19 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:06 AM EDT
          Jeff-580107

          What debate was you watching. Look at the polls after the debate. The polls show Obama won by 52% to John 32%. Obama made McCain look like a little grade school kid.

          • 5 votes
          #2.20 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:57 AM EDT
          pddoc

          Mccain better get his history book out because the Message Drafted by General Eisenhower in Case the D-Day Invasion Failed was never a resignation letter. Mccain just can never get his facts straight.

          • 4 votes
          #2.21 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:41 AM EDT
          Jessicaf

          LLM the tax breaks have not led to the unemployment rate, the economy was slowing down in 1999 and 2000 when Bush took office. A lot of Bill Clintons supposed success is due to the housing and internet boom. Part of this housing boom was due to a bill signed by Bill Clinton in 1995 the Community Reinvestment Act that allowed for unqualified people to get loans. At the time it added many members to the housing market increasing home values and sales creating jobs but in return has lead to the mess we are in now. If it was not for this bill many foreclosures would not be happening now and the banks would not be in this mess.
          As far as the debate Obama had rehearsed answers thus could not answer the questions being asked appropriatly. I think he proved his lack of experience in foriegn affairs and showed that he is not ready to be president. As usual he said what people wanted to hear and was unwilling to state what he would have to cut in the following year if he was president. He also proved how irresponsibile he will be with the US budget and how much money he will be spending if he becomes president. His earmarks alone were absurd. He has only been around for 4 years and it showed last night. His answers contained no content and yet once again had nothing to back up what he was saying.
          He has not traveled to any of the places that McCain has and yet thinks he knows how to settle conflicts in them. I think to have any grasp on foreign affairs work you would have to atleast travel to the places. McCain ran circles around Obama last night.

          • 1 vote
          #2.22 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
          chollaDeleted
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          LauraD

          What a prick!!! Obama is a class act who shows respect and intelligence - McCain is old and pretentious! His best response is to laugh and smile at Obama's responses, my niece of 12 yrs old can do that. McCain twists and lies about Obama's words and Senate actions. He couldn't even look Obama in the eye. You really must be an idiot to fall for McCain's childish tactics of trying to play the you don't know what your talking about act ( and yet not give any solid answers for his past and current record of screw ups in Washington.) He has shown me that I do not want a man of his lack of character running this country again.

          • 8 votes
          Reply#3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
          Achilles01

          Obama stutters too much

          • 3 votes
          #3.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:37 PM EDT
          homeloanchic

          OMG- are you serious McCain did not interrupt ... Obama kept inerrupting which is exactly what I expecting him to do during uncomfortable moments...cause he is clueless....

          • 4 votes
          #3.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
          Rhonda T

          OMG! OK...so we are looking at how many times someone interrupted?? WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUES??!! They are human..even though Mccain looks like a cardboard cut out. But, did you hear the answers to the questions? From where I was watching, I think Mccain actually answered a few questions and only actually had a rebuttal a couple of times. He was most concerned with campaigning rather than answering the questions. He also was living in the past...and it was from a past that wasn't that great. I need a president that has at least a little bit of my families best interest in mind...I don't believe he does. Sorry, sweetheart whether someone interrupts or not is not my concern.

          • 3 votes
          #3.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
          AK resident

          Clueless!??? The only reason he HAD to interrupt is because McCain was insistent upon using his lies again. Always misrepresenting what has really been stated. Same old, same old. Glad to see Obama stand up to him. Obama far exceeded my expectations. I think he's on the way to the White House.

          • 2 votes
          #3.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
          Rhonda T

          AMEN! LauraD!

          • 2 votes
          #3.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
          bajangirl53

          Obama does NOT stutter. He thinks before he speaks, unlike a certain duo we know!

          Many times Obama reduced McCain to a SHAMED half smile.

          • 4 votes
          #3.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:05 AM EDT
          Weaver-476013

          Henry Kissinger released a statement that said in effect he's PISSED at Obama for misquoting him. Kissinger said he was in complete agreement with John McCain on not meeting with rogue leaders without conditions.
          In a nut shell Henry called Obama a fool

          • 3 votes
          #3.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:24 AM EDT
          LLMTruth

          Achilles said:

          "Obama stutters too much."

          So he stutters, and your point? His mind didn't stutter. There are plenty of people that have a halting speech, that doesn't mean their legal capabilities are limited. Besides, I thought one of the main complaints about Obama was his eloquent speaking, now you're complaining because his speech halts. Thou art a tad bit hypocritical, aren't we? You can't have it both ways...

          • 3 votes
          #3.8 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:15 AM EDT
          pddoc

          I am looking at Mccain thinking that he seems to know history then I actually look some of the stuff he was talking about up. He must have gone to another class everyone else did. Pure and simple if you spout facts spout the right ones. He insulted several Presidents today.

          • 4 votes
          #3.9 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:45 AM EDT
          Mari-357475

          A debate is supposed to be about issues and McCain turned into an aggressive lying machine against Obama. Was Obama suppose to just stand there and take it. I don't think so. Obama called McCain on the lies numerous times and McCain just kept on lying in order to avoided getting deep into the issues. Funny thing about a lie. If you hear it often enough sometimes it become the truth to some and in this case the republicans rather believe the lie than face the truth.

          • 3 votes
          #3.10 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
          shaken but not stirred

          Laura you do not have to call someone a prick because you do not understand what he wrote, but this happens when someone is backed into a corner and is losing just like Obama you are frustrated, I bet you Obama will lose this election by a landslide. He simply does not know enough about Politics to be at the helm!

            #3.11 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
            chollaDeleted
            Reply
            steve-540267

            obama did great. Mccain was to much in the past (RONALD REGAN YEARS). MSNBC IS TRYING TO GIVE IT TO MCCAIN. OBAMA WAS MORE MATURE ABOUT HIS ANSWERS.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#4 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
            Proud American-563160

            I totally agree that Obama was mature and kept his cool during this debate and McCain was the one that kept interrupting and shaking his head. Obama shows leadership in every aspect and McCain was using "back in the day" ideas from his "heros" from the 80's/90's that just don't make sense of what is going on with the economy and foreign policy for right now.

            • 5 votes
            #4.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
            Amos Masurrpianski

            McCain looked a tad irritated with Obama. The reason surely being that he had to debate with such an inexperienced nitwit like Obama to begin with. Obama was very rehearsed and had no deep knowledge of foreign policy and it showed. Big time!

            • 4 votes
            #4.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:37 PM EDT
            Rhonda T

            Sonia, my reply is for you. I think Mccain's testiness showed not because of that but mostly because the facts show Mccain himself was misleading and he was being called on it. I think Mccain was pretty rehearsed with his 'back in the day' stories. I mean he actually mentioned Reagan and Nixon. Please. He really needed to talk about the issues rather than going in the 'way back machine'. It was kind of sad. I think that both of them stood there ground when it came down to it, however, Just name dropping and giving us a resume doesn't always cut it! how many tmes have YOU embelished a resume. I'm sure many times. We need a change (good or bad) and Mccain isn't it.

            • 4 votes
            #4.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
            Proud American-563160

            Rhonda - you're right - McCain's answers did seem too rehearsed and not in touch with what is really going on in the world right now. We, as voting Americans, need to hear real solutions and how each Presidential candidate stand on what issues/concerns are going on. Not using debate time for going down "memory lane" with past Presidents! I have researched both of them on their individual campaign websites and my vote is for Obama!

            • 4 votes
            #4.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
            LLMTruth

            McCains constant referencing the past is indicative of someone whose time has past. Especially referencing our humiliating experience in Viet Nam shows that McCain sees every conflict in relation to that failed policy and his intention is to rectify that wrong.

            That makes McCain very unstable in my opinion...

            • 4 votes
            #4.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:19 AM EDT
            Jessicaf

            His talking about the past shows that he has knowledge of current and past affairs traveling to these places and knowing the situations the people are in. Obama avoided questions and had a few lines rehearsed that somehow people bought. He could not answer many questions and showed his true side which is not a change agent but a politician. Next year there should be no excessive spending in gov. but Obama showed that he would be too excited to become president and would not be able to put off his agenda for the people. Giving tax breaks to people that already pay the lowest percent and many who do not pay in taxes at all is unfair to the rest of us. His plan to lower taxes for the bottom will do nothing to help the economy grow.

              #4.6 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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              wr from texas

              Are you joking Obama said nothing again!! I haven't heard anything out of that man's mouth that he can actual back up with a plan. He can talk the talk but I feel he can NEVER walk the walk!!!

              • 2 votes
              Reply#5 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
              pollyygirl036

              I want to know why didn't Palin show up for the post debate answer session like Biden did? I guess they are hiding her out and prepping her so that she doesn't look even more like the idiot that she is.

              What a waste of time with her as a VP choice.

              • 6 votes
              #5.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
              youngladyNC

              WHAT....come on....you wasn't listen if you didn't hear nothing...you are just not trying to hear anything!!

              • 3 votes
              #5.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
              homeloanchic

              spoken like a true texan...O is an idiot

                #5.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:03 AM EDT
                Shookoby

                1. AMERICA IS BEING PLAYED.

                2. REPUBLICANS HAVE STAGED THIS WAR IN HOPES OF GETTING AMERICANS HOOKED ONTO THEIR PUPPET STRINGS.

                3. AS OBAMA SAID, "THIS WAR DID NOT BEGIN IN 2007".

                4. ALL OF THE RECENT TURN OF EVENTS INCLUDING THE "SURGE" HAS BEEN IN EFFORT TO CORRECT WRONG DECISIONS MADE BY THE REPUBLICANS.

                5. AS OBAMA SAID, THE WAR IS AN ISSUE OF NATIONAL SECURITY WHEN WE CHOOSE TO IGNORE ECONOMIC ISSUES AND PURSUE A WAR WE CANNOT AFFORD. EVENTUALLY THE WAR WILL CAUSE US ALL TO BE VULNERABLE.

                6. DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT CHANGES WILL BE MADE AS FAR AS WALL STREET IS CONCERNED. IF THE WAR CONTINUES THERE WILL BE NO WALL STREET.

                • 1 vote
                #5.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
                LLMTruth

                wr from texas, no matter what Obama said tonight your opinion would never change anyway. So please stop tying to give the impression that you have an open mind about the candidates because we know you don't.

                Case in point: McCain insulted both Spain's Prime Minister and the Government of Pakistan as was pointed out by Obama. So your claim that Obama said nothing is either a lie or you're just turned off and would not hear nothing anyway...

                • 4 votes
                #5.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:24 AM EDT
                justme-365250

                Hint, WR From Texas, you may need to find a dictionary to read this post.

                Maybe the reason you perceive Obama as saying "nothing" is because he uses big fancy words that are above a 3rd grade reading level, unlike Rush Limbaugh? Maybe if you expanded your vocabulary you would be able to understand educated people when they speak, instead of being relegated to only comprehending the words of similar dolts.

                Perhaps you need to view your inability to comprehend well spoken people, as a call to action and enhance your own ability to communicate effectively on a level higher than 3rd grade?? Use this insight as an opportunity to IMPROVE yourself, instead of denigrating educated people. Aspire to be educated yourself, not petty and jealous of those who already are :)

                • 3 votes
                #5.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
                Concerned One

                justme it looks like the truth hurts and that's why you have to attack me personally. Why don't you go back to school and learn something. A typically liberal response!!!!!! You are a real JERK!!!!!@

                  #5.7 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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                  TruePatriot-445959

                  Foreign Policy:

                  McCain talks about how he has traveled to countries and somehow this makes him qualified. I don't care that he travels, though I prefer he not waste tax dollars, because it doesn't matter that he travels if he has poor judgment.

                  Iranian IED's in Iraq can be addressed by redeployment and and exiting Iraq in a responsible manner, which needs to include talking with Iran and other countries in the region, as well as Russia and China who have influence in the region.

                  McCain continues to harp about the surge, and how this alone shows Obama lacks experience. The surge is not the only reason for reduction in violence. Money paid to insurgent groups to side with U.S. efforts was far more effective. Nonetheless, our country remains embroiled in this conflict, which is far from success let alone victory.

                  A lot of McCain's foreign policy knowledge is historical, which is good, but at the same time he seems not to see the world as it is in the 21st century.

                  McCain kept saying he was all about veteran's well-being, yet he did not support the GI bill. He talked about torture, yet he acquiesced to the Bush/Cheney definition of torture, yet he is admitting we torture, so I don't see how McCain can really talk about this anymore.

                  Economy:

                  10 billion a month in Iraq = the bailout paid for in 5-6 years we've been in Iraq.

                  McCain's position on taxes, healthcare, and Social Security is pitiful, so earmarks mean little. McCain's energy policy is not more compelling either. McCain harps on nuclear energy, but fails to mention the expensive up-front costs for nuclear in comparison to other options such as CNG (natural gas), etc.

                  McCain keeps saying how he can do this or that, but never provides details of how he would do this or that. Like Bush, I guess we're supposed to just trust him. He also kept saying Obama doesn't get it, which I found to be not only contentious but offensive. Funny coming from a man who said the fundamentals of our economy is strong -- McCain is the one who doesn't get it.

                  The conservative media says McCain showed emotion. I'd say McCain was struggling at times to use restraint, and his poor temperament was showing through. At times he became heated and wouldn't shut up. The only experience as a politician I see in McCain is his ability for drivel.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#6 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
                  Fisherman144

                  Great post TruePatriot!! You gave all the information necessary to convince any fence-sitter that Obama is the ONLY choice.

                  • 3 votes
                  #6.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
                  Turbull-523516

                  Some correction!

                  Obama is the only bad choice!

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.2 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:53 AM EDT
                  Amos Masurrpianski

                  Pollygirl: I see no good reason why Governor Palin should have shown up for the post-debate. In my life, and I have lived a long time, I have never experienced a VP candidate being so maligned, ill-treated, discredited, mocked, and abused by the media as Palin has been. She has been called a "porn star", "Caribou Barbie", crazy, stupid, dumb, a moron, and the list goes on and on. The media have decided that she must be destroyed at any cost, because they hate her with a passion. After all, she is pro-life, a social conservative, and above all a Christian which, of course, is anathema to the leftist elite. I am surprised that she is still hanging in there after all the abuse she has taken. Of course, millions of evangelicals love her and being McCain's running mate, she might just carry him to victory. What a hoot that would be! The liberals would have a total apoplexy.

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:32 AM EDT
                  LLMTruth

                  Sonia please, Palin is a grown woman who happens to be running as VP on a McCain ticket. If she can't handle simple, basic questions then she has no business being on the ticket. The McCain campaign has kept her sequestered from the public because they don't have confidence in her either. If they had let the press have interviews and allowed her to answer questions like any other candidate the press would not be so eager to hear her views. Especially in light of the fact that nobody outside of Alaska had even heard of her including you. McCain himself only had one 1 hour 1/2 conversation on the phone with her and he decided to make her his VP choice. Of course the press is going to vet her, they have every right to. She is virtually an unknown...

                  • 4 votes
                  #6.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:32 AM EDT
                  pddoc

                  Sonia

                  I do not buy it. A VP canidate should take EVERY opportunity to support the Presidential nominee. Biden came out and showed his support and Palin was once again tucked away. Say what you want about Joe but he is not afraid of the press and he has more experience in his shoes than Palin has.

                  • 4 votes
                  #6.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:56 AM EDT
                  Amos Masurrpianski

                  LLMTruth: I would not by a long shot call the "treatment" Palin has received from the media "vetting". No, what it should be called is "abuse". Vetting is fine, but the media have taken l o n g steps over the line with their so called "vetting process" of Palin. They don't really want to vet her anyway, just dig up dirt, any dirt, tru or imagined, present her with "gotcha" questions in interviews so they can destroy her due to their deep hatred of her. She is not some hillbilly who fell off the turnip truck yesterday, as she is portrayed to be. She is the Governor of Alaska with an 80% approval rating and she should at least be shown some minuscule semblance of respect. But no, she must be abused, mocked, and destroyed. A lot of people are angered by the media's treatment of her and I am certain that it will all backfire in due time and usher McCain into the White House.

                    #6.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
                    RNoel-525230

                    They don't really want to vet her anyway, just dig up dirt, any dirt, tru or imagined, present her with "gotcha" questions in interviews so they can destroy her due to their deep hatred of her.

                    You mean "gotcha" questions like "What is your take on the Bush doctrine?" or what specific examples she could provide of legislative action taken by McCain that could have headed off the current financial crisis? Yeah, those are real "gotcha" questions. There's no reason why we would want our VP to be moderately intelligent and knowledgeable about the current government or her running mate, right?

                    • 1 vote
                    #6.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
                    Amos Masurrpianski

                    RNoel: Yes, "gotcha" questions like the Bush doctrine. There are supposedly seven of these Bush doctrines. And Charles Gibson knew that when posing the question to Palin. David Gergen, a political commentator on CNN, admitted he did not even know what the doctrines were. And, Couric knew very well that Palin's foreign policy experience is limited, but she had to put her on the spot to embarrass her. Both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had very limited foreign policy experience when running for office - and that was for president, not VP. Nobody tried to embarrass them, but Palin is free for all to mock and destroy and make her out to be nothing more than a crazy "moose killer" from the great beyond; Alaska.

                      #6.8 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
                      LLMTruth

                      C'mon Sonia, stop actling like we are suppose to treat Palin any more different than any other candidate. What, because she is a VP candidate she should just be shoved into the White House because McCain says trust me. Sonia, you take a good look at Palin. Just sit and listen to her talk about the issues and how juvenile most of her responses are.

                      You have been brainwashed and have fallen for the BS that the press is picking on her. What the press is doing is picking up on what SHE is saying. They aren't making up quotes. They are taking what Palin says out of her own mouth and examining them. Do you actually think she's should be given a free ride because she's a woman. That would be a greater disservice to woman to make unnecessary allowances because of their gender. If women are qualified to run for President and Vice President then they can stand up to scrutiny just as men running for the same office can. Equilibrium demands that both genders have parity in all standards; that would be equal...

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.9 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:52 AM EDT
                      RC-391328

                      Why desn't everyone just treat Palin the way Hillary has been treated for the past 16 years? You republicans sure didn't complain about that! She was raked through the coals just because she was the president's wife, Palin is actually running for office.

                      If you're scared, say you're scared! You're nothing but a bunch of sorry hypocrites!

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.10 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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                      Katie-417569

                      I get kind of tired of this right-wing talking point. You guys always just lay the blanket statement "he has no plan blah blah blah whine whine whine". The truth is he has plenty of plans, he has laid out his plan for Iraq and Afghanistan and looked a look more cool, calm, collected and presidential tonight than grampy who was grimacing and REFUSED to look Obama in the eye. If you can't even look your opponent in the eye during a debate how are you going to negotiate with foreign heads of state? Clear winner for Obama

                      • 7 votes
                      Reply#7 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
                      ftpolkmp

                      What plan. You mean that he'll give 95% of the tax payers a tax break. That's not a plan it's a political ploy. How much of a tax break am I going to get. If you are only going to save me $10 a year in taxes it maybe a tax break but big deal. Give me some substance. Except for McCain's last statement the debate was a draw and I'm still not impressed with either one of them.

                      • 3 votes
                      #7.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
                      Katie-417569

                      Go to his website and read the plan. Go to economic websites that rate the plans. Do some investigation. It is your country too do some work.

                      • 3 votes
                      #7.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
                      ftpolkmp

                      I've been doing voting for 28 years believe me Obama is not the first I've heard use the change word. Personally his plan means nothing because it takes the house and senate to get it passed and they can't get along long enough to get good legislation passed. There's a reason that Congress's rating is lower than the President's and that's because they can't do their job effectively. That's why I don't decide till after the debates so I can get a clear idea of how they can get their thoughts and ideas across and so far neither of the candidates impress me

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
                      NK-529428

                      Read the fine print on Obama's tax plan. 95% will get a tax credit not tax cut and from what I understand it for families not everybody. The people who make over $250,000 starting with small business owners like myself will get screwed because we will pay the same taxes as the big dogs will pay. Every penny we make goes back into the business and we can't afford to be taxed any more. The health insurance plan is great if you don't mind the government dictating your medical care more than they already are. I personally will save to buy health insurance to be able to see the doctor I want to see, when I want to see them, and to be able to decide for myself what treatment I want to have. It may look like a duck and quack like a duck but it may not be a duck.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
                      Turbull-523516

                      Katie, I understand, you are tired of repeating the same words!

                      Let me try to help you.

                      He (Obama) doesn't have a plan, a clue, a substance!
                      But, yeah, he does have an image, a pose and a tighten face after losing so obviously!

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:57 AM EDT
                      pddoc

                      Turbull

                      Your onliners are the kind of reasoning I left the Repubs to vote Obama. No substance. I will say this about what you said.. the face..the face of Mccain reminded me of a schoolyard bully that did not get his way. Several times Mccain went on the offensive..Obama this and Obama that. Seriously, he needs to calm down because his position suffers when he attacks like that. I liked Senator Mccain but Presidential Nominee Mccain is a different person one whose integrity is lost and values compromised.

                      • 4 votes
                      #7.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:35 AM EDT
                      Turbull-523516

                      Mr. pddoc,
                      Thank you for your reply.
                      I am not a Republican. I am Conservative, to some extent, of course, which makes my choice difficult sometimes.
                      I just happened to be born in Soviet Union, actually, Soviet Ukraine that time, so I was taught some tough lessons.
                      I saw my father, who was a preacher and absolutely kind man, arrested because of me. I was a stupid kid, who honestly answered on one of his coworkers question. The very next morning I've learned that famous abbreviation of KGB. He was arrested a couple of more times. Years later, he suddenly died in a hospital and we suspect, he was poisoned.

                      In 2004, when I saw Viktor Yuschenko, current Ukrainian President, how did he look after poisoning him, I instantly recognized that sign, that look.
                      Then I took my humble part in Ukrainian "Orange revolution" - our people peaceful stand against massive elections fraud, supported by Russia, personally Putin. At some point Russians brought their special forces guys, armed and loaded, ready to shot at my people, my friends.
                      And Russians backed up only because of the US open support.
                      One of my friends became a governor, another - a member of Cabinet of Ministers. I met President personally, and the First lady of Ukraine. It's painful, however, to see Russia's success waging its secret war against my home country, destabilizing everything economy, military, etc. And I want all of you, guys to know, that Russia, having such a cold bloodedand determined leader, like Putin is getting closer to start hot war!

                      Yesterday I saw solid, deep understanding of the importance that that region is gaining rapidly to the world affairs. Remember, Russia will never become the super- power again without taking over Ukraine first.
                      I like his language also. Why?
                      Otto Von Bismarck said after he just signed a peace treaty with Russia, answering one journalist's question "All the agreements with Russia never worth the paper, on which they are written."
                      Russia recognizes toughness only. Then it can sign something. Thankfully, Reagan did understand that. So, does McCain.

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
                      Amos Masurrpianski

                      Obama, in the unfortunate event he should become president, will not be able to give anyone a tax break. Of course, he never really intended to do so anyway. With the massive bailout by the tax payers presently in the works, there will not be a dime left for any Obama "tax breaks". Forgedaboutit, he'll come dippin' into your purse with his sticky fingers for some additional moola, believe you me!

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.8 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
                      Jessicaf

                      If Obama is in the White House he will spend spend spend. I think his speech proved that considering he could not handle the question about what he would have to give up next year. Less government and it's spending. I think we are all better at handling our money than the gov. and it's many useless programs.

                        #7.9 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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                        camzilla

                        now what did mccain say? "trust me'' I HAVE EXPERIENCE. i guess if you dont have a brain then thats enough. and wr from texas you say "I haven't heard anything out of that man's mouth that he can actual back up with a plan."

                        thats the way i feel about McCain he just says "trust me'' I HAVE EXPERIENCE. and the last person that fed me that line was a salesman

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#8 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
                        Fisherman144

                        camzilla - 'Trust me' is an old and very trite expression like 'read my lips'. I think they were invented by the Republicans to make excuses for their continuing failures. The big talking point of GW's father was 'No more taxes'....isn't that getting a bit boring? I don't believe a word McCain says.

                        • 4 votes
                        #8.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
                        homeloanchic

                        camzilla - u need to look at the facts .... look at the platforms.. oh and by the way wherever you work... I need a job .. nevermind my lack of experience .. I can do it... just let me keep checking with my peeps to the left and we will tell you want you want to hear

                          #8.2 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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                          SherLyn

                          It seems that John McCain was trying to look back a lot and didn't offer much in the way of a better future. He stressed a lot about the past and tried to make it appear that everything positive was due to him. He's a friend of the veterans and has done so much, he's the know-it-all on Iraq and it's all so successful, we should go it alone and continue the Bush foreign policy of no cooperation or consensus building, and he is the only one who's ever been bipartisan. What he didn't explain was what he will do in the future. However since he seems to think everything he's done is so great I guess that means he plans to keep doing it. SO, we stay in Iraq, Afghanistan is still the poor step-child of our war against terror, the veterans and their families would still get a man that voted against the most recent bill to increase their benefits, big business and health care stay unregulated while the average Americans suffer, American families get a $5000 tax credit to buy health care when a single policy in my state now costs over $4500 out of pocket, we won't try reason if we can bully, ignore or bribe our adversaries, and bipartisan efforts can't be called bipartisan unless he agrees with the result and has personal involvement. McCain's change seems to be a change in administration but his statements prove that he will still put the real needs of America second to personal ideology that seems to run quite opposite of public opinion.

                          • 6 votes
                          #9 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
                          ftpolkmp

                          Wow Please explain to me how that makes any sense? MCCain is going to give you a $5,000 tax break on medical insurance that costs you $4,500 am I missing something. McCain wants to give you more of a tax break then what your insurance costs and that's a problem?

                          • 2 votes
                          #9.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
                          pollyygirl036

                          I agree with you. I think that McSame still didn't deny that he would tax the money that would be given for health care to Americans. Instead he tried to shift the conversation to another topic. I glad someone else wasn't falling for the same ol' same ole.

                            #9.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
                            Fisherman144

                            There's one very important part of the McCain plan that smells like a dead fish. If you are making $30,000 a year and trying to raise a family with 2 kids, you DON'T pay taxes! McCain is only talking about giving a $5,000 tax credit for those who pay over $5,000 in taxes. I am NOT dazzled by his Bull S**t.

                            • 2 votes
                            #9.3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
                            homeloanchic

                            what health ins are you getting that is less than $5K a year private pay...please let me know so I can get it too... oh and by the way I am intelligent so don't send me a line.

                              #9.4 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
                              SherLyn

                              ftpolkmp: The credit comes but I pay taxes on the benefits. Last year I made $10,000 more than the year before and paid almost double the taxes that I paid the previous year. I don't need any more taxes on any income, especially ones that offset any gains I supposedly get. I get a tax cut under the Obama plan. Since I work for my money, have a professional career and manage my income well I can afford health care and pay for a family policy with support from my employer. The single policy I cited is $4500. A family policy is much more. $5000 doesn't come close to paying for that. My daughter is a single mom , a health professional without health insurance because her employer doesn't offer it. My granddaughter qualifies for our state health coverage for uninsured children. My daughter couldn't afford a family policy if someone gave her $5000 in cash! Your response doesn't take that into consideration. I'm thinking about a lot of people other than myself. The McCain policy does nothing for those people because the cost of insurance is beyond their income with or without a taxed tax credit. The Obama plan makes affordable health care available to most of them. That's what you're missing.

                              • 2 votes
                              #9.5 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
                              homeloanchic

                              guess what your daughter in the health profession will earn a lot less than she does now under socialized medical care... why do you thing all the nurses are coming here from Canada...so either way you are in trouble ... you should look to who is employing your daughter and wondering can they still employ her under Obama's plan...seriously

                                #9.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:10 AM EDT
                                SherLyn

                                homeloanchic: Her employer is a conservative, neocon, religious Republican who owns and flies his own airplane, has several real estate investments including office buildings and apartments, and plays religious radio stations over the office sound system. He travels frequently, supports his dead-beat son, and his wife dresses like Cindy McCain. He says he can't afford insurance for his employees. Of course not. The plane needs gas for the trip to the Caribbean. As for my daughter, there is an ample supply of graduates here because we have five universities churning out grads. Jobs are tight. She'd take less if she had insurance and more security. She is always job hunting and is considering going back to school for a change in career. I have enough education to know the real definition of socialism and to read about the Canadian and European health care systems. I don't fear change made for the right reasons because I believe in giving to others less fortunate than myself. If it means a little more inconvenience for me, so be it. We are all better if life improves for everyone by working, and yes sacrificing, together.

                                • 2 votes
                                #9.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
                                Jack the bear

                                i am stupid. If I understand correct Mccain wants Americans to pay out of pocket for health insurance and then get a credit. I dont have the money to pay for the cost of health insurance and wait for a credit.

                                Please xplain.

                                • 1 vote
                                #9.8 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
                                ftpolkmp

                                Sorry SherLyn I'd like to feel sorry for thm but until someone can fix the system where people who do nothing get nothing then I'm not for helping them. I live near low income housing where people pay $6 a month for a home and are behind in their rent. I'm tired of driving past the place and seeing the same people sitting outside doing nothing and me paying for it. I was and many others were taught that nothing in this life is free and yet it is. For all the hate people have for President Bush he said something that rang true to me. When it comes to health care the rich have the lawyers to get out of paying for it, the poor will not pay because they will receive it, and the middle class will be sucking it up. Unless someone comes up with a plan where you have to do something for your community in order to get subsistence (like volunteer work or have a job) then I will not agree that I should be helping them out with anything to include medical insurance. The only group that I would not apply this to is the disabled and that would have to be heavily regulated because it doesn't take much for the lazy to find a way around the rules. Simply put be an active member of your community and give something back or you deserve nothing.

                                  #9.9 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
                                  SherLyn

                                  ftpolkmp: Should I assume you are military police? I agree that some people take advantage. I see that all the time. My daughter and others like her aren't asking for something for nothing. She goes to work every day and because her employer is a selfish hypocritical man she is stuck until she can get a better job. My other daughter has two college degrees, with honors, and must work two jobs to pay for a basic single health policy. What has happened to that American dream the military fights to preserve? We've lost it in greed, trickle-down economics, and many more ills that plague our society. My father and his brothers were all Marines. My uncle was a career Marine officer. My uncle on my mother's side was a POW in Korea. My dad served in WWII and Korea. He taught me to give to others, teach, help and support, not blame, label and judge without knowing all the facts. They all believe that you don't change things without caring enough to get involved and help. Marines are taught to be leaders. I was taught to care and think analytically. I was lucky. Today we have many people who have never learned how to help themselves. Poverty, poor education, poor health care, poor role models and racism and prejudice have taken away their ability to contribute. If we don't change that you will continue to see those people sitting on the doorstep. I'm yet to see a majority of the Republicans understand that. They expect the less fortunate to make their own miracles. That's very unrealistic in today's world. I raised my daughters to do what you expect and believe in the dream. They have options, but not the ones that are easily accomplished. If they had no education, no job, no role models or poor health they would have few choices.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #9.10 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:24 AM EDT
                                  bajangirl53

                                  I understand your points about people who don't do enough to help themselves; however, I have lived under British socialized medicine, and I can say that when people know that their government is working for them, and not just for the very wealthy, they have much more incentive to try. When there is not an equal distribution of wealth, discouragement demoralises people. What you are seeing a lot of the time is demoralisation of a class that has been forgotten and left behind. You can be thankful if you happen to be from a class that hasn't been forgotten.

                                    #9.11 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:44 AM EDT
                                    ftpolkmp

                                    Yes that would be MP (retired) What you describe is what has been going on for years. Again I'm sorry that your daughters are having hard times, but if they don't fix the system then I just don't believe in supporting it.I don't care if you are poor or uneducated you can still give back to your community. If you give back to your community ie: you have a job, pay taxes, or do volunteer work then I see no problem with the government helping you. If you don't then oh well you are nothing but a burden on the rest of us who are trying to better ourselves, our families, and our communities. Unitil our governemnt makes people do something with themselves then I just don't think my taxes should go to helping them out. If that means that others tough it out then I feel for them. I came from a poor family. My mom and dad did not have medical insurance and my mother had not seen a doctor until she qualified for Medicare so I know the fears of not having insurance. I am well aware of the risks. If anyone deserved medical insurance it was my family. My dad is a Vietnam vet and has worked in a saw mill, cranberry bogs, and rock quarries most of his life and I still believe that we have to fix the system before we just give it away. Why should most of us work hard for it while others do nothing and get the same help?

                                      #9.12 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:48 AM EDT
                                      LLMTruth

                                      ftpolkmp, a 5,000 dollar tax credit is all well and good for you; but if you have a family like I do, my share of medical cost offered from my job was $600 dollars every two weeks. 600 every two weeks. What the hell good would a 5,000 dollar tax credit do for me except make me more mad? As a result of staggering costs like that, most hard working families have no health coverage at all. That's the something you're missing here, my friend.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #9.13 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:49 AM EDT
                                      SherLyn

                                      ftpolkmp: I don't disagree with you. I think everyone should contribute and work to serve if at all possible, but asking mothers to work if there is no child care they can afford won't get it. I believe that we need on-the-job training programs and access to educational programs that improve basic skills. We need vocational programs that give people hands-on training as they perform needed public service jobs. This must be done with child care, health and other opportunities so they can actually focus on learning and self-confidence. I believe in helping people learn, not saying that they are all worthless or helpless and it isn't my problem.

                                      That isn't the problem my daughter's face. They have done it right, but are still not earning enough to be comfortable because we've allowed big businesses to reward those at the top and rape those at the bottom. We allow people like my daughter's employer to refuse his dedicated hard-working employees health care while they see him get richer. A friend of my daughter's recently lost his job with a major retailer due to cutbacks. He's applied and applied. He thought he had a great offer from another major retailer. After three rounds of interviews they told him the job would be 32 hours and no benefits. Big business can hire hundreds of people for one location and make them part-time with no benefits. You know that corporate has benefits, lots of them, but they make the profits on the backs of the hard working people who make their business a success. This isn't right.

                                      The problem is clear if you read this board. Many of the Republican call names, scream socialism, and put down ideas that grow people and give them a better chance. They believe in growing business and letting the money trickle down. The problem is it dries up long before it gets to many who need it the most. They are stuck in desperate, hopeless situations and the cycle continues. That's the basic reason so many believe in Obama. After years of Rovian politics, divisive actions that have done so much damage to our country, they want to believe that we can do better. They aren't listening to the hard line, every-man-for-himself, win at all costs, fear and intimidation line any more. They want to believe someone cares about them and their problems. That's why they are listening to Obama. McCain is more of the old and that way has finally scared them into reality. We need change that matters for the middle class and the lower socioeconomic groups. The rich have had theirs and will continue to have it.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #9.14 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
                                      ftpolkmp

                                      Life is hard for everyone but you have to earn your way. Even most of the Rich did not start rich. I'm am against giving everything away for free and everyone being the same (also know as Communism which in theory may seem like a good system but is just as corrupt as any other system). Who do you trust to handle the funds for these projects? A government who started a social security program that they have continued to borrow from until they have depleted it beyond it's usefulness. Sorry you have to make your own way and hope for the best and sometimes get the worst. Then pick yourself back up and try for the best again. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare all government failures. I see your ideas but I know my governement and it'll never work therfore no one is going to convince me that I should throw my tax dollars into these projects especially if it is going to be given away to those who do nothing to deserve it kinda like a bailout huh?

                                        #9.15 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
                                        Amos Masurrpianski

                                        If you want socialized medicine you'll get it from Obama, in the unfortunate even he should become president. I lived under it and I mean UNDER IT. It took months and months to get a doctor's appointment, rationed specialist care if you are lucky to get it at all, years of waiting for elective surgeries. Finally, with one foot in the grave, you pay under the table to some doctor just before the bell is about to toll for you. That is socialized medicine for you. Not a pretty picture. Fat cats and the wealthy like Obama will always have access to good care, but you will not.

                                          #9.16 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
                                          LLMTruth

                                          Sonia Donossiam said:

                                          "If you want socialized medicine you'll get it from Obama..."

                                          Here you go with the scare tactics. Socialized medicine or healthcare which one is it anyway? Nonetheless, how do you feel about socialized financial and banking institutions? Because that's what we have right now. I don't hear any complaints about that. Oh wait, that's under a Republican administration isn't it? That kind of puts a damper on the hate Obama/Democratic theme, huh?

                                          And when you think about what has been socialized its all about money and the money changers; big business and those in charge of it. They are the ones that have profited from this 21st century socialism; not the people. Now people like you want to deny the average American citizen an opportunity for health coverage. Where were you when we were guaranteeing all those failed mortgage companies and money lenders of bogus loans. Oh, I get it, that was Okay, but God forbid that we help those that would otherwise fall into ill health. You Republicans are absolute hypocrites and degenerates. Remember; "the love of money is the root of all evil". We need to love people more than our cherished financial institutions.

                                          Perhaps where you come from Sonia, the medical profession was sub-standard to begin with. Maybe the doctors in your country or medical institutions weren't very good from the start. Perhaps your funding was less than adequate and couldn't really support good medical care. Maybe there wasn't qualified oversight looking into abuse and competency.
                                          You can't just make a blanket claim without some viable facts to back up your disdain for universal health care because with over 47 million Americans without even that sub-standard care go without any...

                                            #9.17 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:31 AM EDT
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                                            MilkMoney

                                            Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran that's all I have to say.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            Reply#10 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
                                            Rhonda T

                                            I think most Rep want to get mad when we tie the idiotic things Mccain says to Bush...oops sorry didn't mean to hurt your feelings. There are several reasons. The average American has had Bush's idiotic and horrible plans thrust upon us for EIGHT years...of course Mccain's antiquated speeches and stands sound familiar. He voted similiar to him some many times it's pathetic. Not to mention, they are political friends, not just because of the party. American's are sick of the 'trust me' and 'you don't understand' and the blaming. Mccain does that and this is dejavu for many of us. Mccain also mentioned Bush many times...are you happy with what Bush has done? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Maybe change will do some good, beside the GOP has lead us for this long and look where we are...'trust me', I'm not happy and I'm SURE everyone else is sick of it. For those who are voting for Mccain good luck and may the force be with you. For Obama voters! GET OUT THERE AND VOTE! Choose change! Look at where we are now and have been for EIGHT years, let's try NOT to make that same mistake.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #10.1 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:25 AM EDT
                                            Turbull-523516

                                            You should fix your DVD set!

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #10.2 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:03 AM EDT
                                            Gerrbear

                                            Milk money you are a tool... where do you think that fall out will land.. ...on another planet.. that is where you seem to be living. ..
                                            When you grow up and can speak like an adult come on back to the real world.

                                              #10.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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                                              GM from California

                                              I am an Obama supporter, but I think McCain won or tied this round. I don't think either one did very well overall, although each scored some big points. However, I thought the "bracelet-off" was the tackiest moment of the debate, and it was initiated by McCain when he showed the bracelet of the dead soldier whose mother asked him to "not let my son die in vain." At that point, I thought "uh, oh, here we go...". Sure enough, Obama whipped out his own bracelet from a mother of a dead soldier who said "don't let another son die and another mother suffer." Jeez. This stuff is so painful to be trivialized, and both of them did it. I hope Round 2 is more enlightening.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#11 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:18 PM EDT
                                              Carl-305831

                                              I agree that the deaths are to important to be trivialized. However it was McCain that tried the old tired line that somehow wanting to stay in Iraq is more patriotic. Obama's response was perfect, it isn't just republicans who fight and die or miss and mourn those deaths. And that there is a " battle" over what is appropriate: I lost my best friend in Iraq on 3-17-07, I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand I don't want him to have died in a war that we loose but I also don't want 4,000 more deaths before we realize that we srewed up and then leave.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #11.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
                                              pollyygirl036

                                              I would agree that it was a tie on this debate but both candidates will come out sharper on the next one.

                                              One of the deciding factors of this election will be the VP debate. Palin has no ground to stand on. The said thing is that she actually believes what comes out of her mouth as a rational conversation that answers the questions being asked of her.

                                              If you don't believe me then watch the interviews with Katie Couric and that will all debates about whether Palin is ready to be VP of the US.

                                              Thanks McLame for seting back the women's movement 40 years.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #11.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
                                              Fisherman144

                                              Palin is...what's his name....Dan Quail in drag!

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #11.3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
                                              Rhonda-311319

                                              Very good pie. He was definitely not smarter than a fifth grader. Trouble is, neither is Bush.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #11.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
                                              knowsbolos

                                              Correction! Obama SAID he had a bracelet...(how convenient), but failed to Manifest the bracelet to Prove whether he did or not. He certainly had not thought it important enough to WEAR it .
                                              Obama thinks quick on his feet, and is an opportunist....how do we even know he told the truth...he couldn't prove it!

                                              McCain was not intimidated in any way with Obama's blustering...and excuse me, but I was keeping a tally on who interrupted the most....Obama tried to talk over McCain , and interrupted at least 4 times more the McCain interrupting Obama.
                                              BTW...all you leftie "bring the troops home" supporters...I guess you chose to block out the fact that in their discussion about foreign policy Obama actually ended up saying that the US needed to place troops in all the potential terrorist "hot spots" around the World!!!
                                              Where does he think we would get all those troops?? A draft, perhaps...and where would the US get the Money???
                                              Guess you Obama groupies chose to ignore that huge desperate "foreign policy" screw up statement.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #11.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
                                              teresa van remortel

                                              I was at that Obama speech in Green Bay-(I live here) and to answer your question Obama DOES have a bracelet. Whether he wants to use it as a political "selling point" is another story and as far as "caring for our veterans), like McCain claims to be then why are so many homeless living in the street, suffereing from postwar traumas that need medical attention but are not getting it or "rotting" in VA hospitals that are deteriorating in addition to providing sub-standard medical care to these people? As a person who worked in medical administration and billing up until a 1 year 1/2 ago it took the VA MONTHS to pay their doctor/hospital bills and then when they finally DID pay, the reimbursement levels from CHAMPUS/TRICARE were PATHETIC and as medical providers We had to EAT the rest...quality care for vets? WRONG!!!!!

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #11.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:40 AM EDT
                                              ftpolkmp

                                              Interesting...you worked in billing but don't know that those doctors sign an agreement with tricare that they will not charge more than what Tricare offers for the procedures. Of course they eat it. They signed a contract with Tricare to agree that they would take the fees Tricare sets for the procedures. It's not Tricare's fault your doctors didn't read the agreement. As far as the VA hospitals it depends on where you live. Personaly I like the VA in my area and think they are doing a great job. Same with the one in Massachusetts where my father had his cancer treatment.

                                                #11.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:53 AM EDT
                                                Turbull-523516

                                                Fisherman,

                                                Obama's name is Barack.

                                                Sarah's nick name is Barracudah. That's what she is!

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #11.8 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:07 AM EDT
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                                                RJ-498245

                                                Now I understand why Palin can say that she knows lots about foreign policy because she can see Russia from Alaska. McCain kept repeating all the places that he has been. This makes for policy ? Hardly.
                                                I've been to many southern states but it doesn't mean that I can make them any less redneck or biased .
                                                LOL Poor John ! He is truly a relic from the past.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#12 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
                                                Fisherman144

                                                Retirement to one of the countries McCain has visited would be a great place to live out his life....and he really should.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #12.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
                                                swolf4810

                                                Uhm...watch how you talk about us Southerners! LOL

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #12.2 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
                                                knowsbolos

                                                watch out!...calling us "red necks" is a Racist remark.....and of course, YOU are not racist, are you???

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #12.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
                                                For Real 2

                                                I'm not, but the back of my neck is red.

                                                  #12.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
                                                  Rhonda T

                                                  Lol! I agree RJ. Those two candidates are actually funny. I need to start watching SNL again, but I'm sure that they will make me laugh EQUALLY as much as the real deal. Palin is clueless and almost seems like she's a joke and comic political relief!! I keep waiting for someone to come out and say that whoever she is talking to is getting Punk'd. Lol. And mccain, the more I investigate and listen, the more it becomes even more of a joke! I get frustraed everytime I see them. Maybe i can give them some advice...McCain: get out of the way back machine...Palin: just don't talk...period.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #12.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:34 AM EDT
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                                                  Larry-578283

                                                  Barack Obama was lying & I can't stand it no more & he's wrong.
                                                  I think that John McCain was to be the next president.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  Reply#13 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
                                                  Katie-417569

                                                  Uh learn proper grammar before you post.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #13.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
                                                  Carl-305831

                                                  When did Obama lie? Google " kissinger talk iran" and see what you find, then decide who lied, or at least doesn't know the positions of his own advisors.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #13.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
                                                  Upscheidt Creek

                                                  Since you want to be smug, Katie, when did it become "proper grammar" to begin a sentence with "UH" ??????

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #13.3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
                                                  Fisherman144

                                                  Larry - In one of Obama's inner city tutoring programs there is a place for you. Remedial reading and writing would help you a lot.

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                                                  #13.4 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
                                                  ftpolkmp

                                                  Interesting. The person has a different thought then you and you get on him about grammar. This is why I like to come to MSNBC you get to see the worst of the worst. Between you guys and the Fox discussion it get laughable. His grammar was wrong but you understood his point and did not agree so you decided to attack him. Love forum tactics because it brings out the most brilliant people LMAO. Oh I better do the spell check. Can't stand an attack from the most educated of you in here.

                                                    #13.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
                                                    Rhonda-311319

                                                    I thought Republicans were supposed to be the well educated Americans who used good grammar and dressed in khakis and polo shirts (essentially school uniforms) You know, they are the ones who did not need financial aid to go to college when Reagan made the forms indecipherable to keep the poor out. (He was another fine Republican.)

                                                    Ok, basic third grade grammar. I can't find the post that was so blatant but her is the lesson :

                                                    Your: A posessive pronoun that means "belonging to you".

                                                    You're: A contraction for "you are".

                                                    My nephew's special education teacher told him that if he did not know how to spell a word to find another word. He passed the graduation test in writing by following that rule.

                                                    There was a Republican post that mixed them up.

                                                      #13.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
                                                      ftpolkmp

                                                      Sorry I don't believe you for a minute. I believe that you are probably smart enough to know that there are uneducated (and sometimes just typing errors) from both sides. Nice try though.

                                                        #13.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
                                                        Rhonda T

                                                        Check the facts...you are wrong. Mccain was more misleading than Obama.

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                                                        #13.8 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
                                                        Rhonda T

                                                        What in the world?!! We aren't sending in a thesis!! Who cares about grammar! OMG! THE ISSUES PEOPLE!! Your opinion.., your stand. I don';t care if you added a noun or verb or how you started the sentence! Ugh! It's a BLOG people. Geez!

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #13.9 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
                                                        ftpolkmp

                                                        Uh your words?

                                                        I thought Republicans were supposed to be the well educated Americans who used good grammar and dressed in khakis and polo shirts (essentially school uniforms) You know, they are the ones who did not need financial aid to go to college when Reagan made the forms indecipherable to keep the poor out. (He was another fine Republican.)

                                                        unless I misunderstood it as jest?

                                                          #13.10 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:54 AM EDT
                                                          Turbull-523516

                                                          Rhonda,

                                                          Sir Winston liked to say "There is no any Englishman, who could speak English"! Was he right or wrong?

                                                            #13.11 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
                                                            LLMTruth

                                                            Carl-305831, I watched that forum with the former Secretary's of State and Obama was correct. Each of them said dialogue was far better than just sitting on your hands and pouting like some 2 year old because they won't play the way you want them to. In order to reconcile differences one has to open dialogue, or else nothing will get accomplished...

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                                                            #13.12 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:01 AM EDT
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                                                            EMC-491317

                                                            Keith, you're not fooling anyone with your post-debate "analysis." So, Rachel (your pet) says that McCain dropped references to his age. Funny, Rachel made no mention of how many times Obama said "John, you're right." I counted at least 10. You're a joke. Go back to SportsCenter. You'd be more relevant. Don't you understand by now why you got demoted?

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            Reply#14 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
                                                            TexasBlackTea

                                                            I dont think there is anything wrong with a man having the backbone to admit when his apponent is right on some issues..........there is nothing wrong with that. What I do think is that McCain was nervous and is living in the past. He cant win this election by continously referencing old politics or political figures. And he has to let go of Irag - we were not supposed to be there and we shouldnt be there now - can we please get back to Bin Laden??

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                                                            #14.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
                                                            youngladyNC

                                                            I agree texas blacktea

                                                              #14.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
                                                              Achilles01

                                                              It reminds me how many times you liberals try and tie Bush to McCain when Obama agrees with McCain on almost every issue! How about this..no Bush and no Obama!

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              #14.3 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
                                                              ftpolkmp

                                                              Your kidding right Texas. Have you been to Olbermann's website? Go there and try to find one good thing Olbermann says about the republicans. It ain't there. That's called Bias not believing your candidate being right. Olbermann is a sad example of a reporter. Even Fox gives some credit to the other side. Olberman is in a love fest with Obama that borders on scary

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                                                              #14.4 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
                                                              homeloanchic

                                                              omg- more bs every where ...it is like a nightmare I will not wake from...IGNORANCE...it will take 20 more years before any intelligence in the crowd shows...everybody else is worried about how they will be perceived

                                                                #14.5 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
                                                                chris-579168

                                                                Thank You someone needs to tell Keith and Rachel how stupid they really are all they can do is bash MCCain and Palin. That is his entire show. No one will come on his show except Liberals. Thats why after this election they both will be out of jobs. He will be begging Sportscenter to take him back. Good journalism is looking at both sides and reporting the news. He can't handle that. All he knows how to do is bash MCCain and Foxnews. Thats why they are killing them in the ratings. At least Chris Matthews got some sense and changed his tune alittle. Probably because they realized how stupid they really looked. Everyone realizes MCCain won that debate. I promise you Barack is back in his room shaking his head. Wanting to know what train just hit him. Whether you want to admit it or not MCCain got him in that debate. He has made some mistakes but liked he said if you don't believe me GO LOOK AT BARACK'S RECORD!!!!!! You can't argue with facts.. Keith thinks he and Rachel are so great MCCain and Palin will have the last laugh while they are looking for knew jobs.. You have to be at least fair. The two of them have not once said anything cross about Obama. The guy is a good guy but he is not the 2nd coming of Christ. They will find out on Nov 5th. Karma is a Bitch!!!!!!

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                                                                #14.6 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
                                                                ftpolkmp

                                                                You had me until you said McCain won the debate. Sorry but neither of them won and they were not very impressive either. Hopefully one of the debates will have a clear winner to make the decision easier.

                                                                  #14.7 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:59 AM EDT
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                                                                  Ron-374386

                                                                  This debate changed nobody's mind on either side. It was a wash. Obama wants to be God and the Savior of not just the United States, but all mankind. John McCain, though not God, believes he's well qualified. They're both starting to give me a bad headache.

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  Reply#15 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
                                                                  Katie-417569

                                                                  Christ!!! Just because someone wants to actually help American people have to say Obama wants to be "God and Savior". Well fine, he is definately more like Jesus who actually wanted to help the poor and give people and peace a chance. I am so sick of this!

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                                                                  #15.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
                                                                  Rhonda-311319

                                                                  Yall need to stop using God's name in vain. "Jesus" and "Christ" should be used in reference to the Messiah only.

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #15.2 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
                                                                  ftpolkmp

                                                                  So God is a pronoun and is really God's name. Hmm and here I thought it was YHVH or YHWH as it is written in the original Hebrew Scriptures.

                                                                    #15.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
                                                                    Rhonda T

                                                                    WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE DEBATE?!! ugh! Too many people trying to show how 'smart' they are. wow. Hahahaha!

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #15.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:52 AM EDT
                                                                    ftpolkmp

                                                                    No people showing that Religous zealots should keep their religon to themselves, which may mean nothing in the debate but is a political issue

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                                                                    #15.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:56 AM EDT
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                                                                    mike gray

                                                                    Would like to remind you, when a politition says they'll cut taxes and blaw-blaw. They are forcing State and local to pick up the tab.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    Reply#16 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
                                                                    Fisherman144

                                                                    Mike - That's the first post of yours I've read that makes sense.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #16.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
                                                                    Shookoby

                                                                    WHY CAN'T ANYONE SEE THAT IF THE WAR CONTINUES THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR TAX CUTS ANYWHERE. THE POOR STATE OF THE ECONOMY ALONE WILL BE MAKE US ALL A BUNCH OF VULNERABLE WORMS AFTER THE RAIN HAS POURED DOWN. WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE CRAWLING AROUND LIKE FEED FOR THE BIRDS.

                                                                      #16.2 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:09 AM EDT
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                                                                      Mid-Atlantic Mom

                                                                      I really became irritated with McCain's total distain and unprofessional behavior towards Obama. All that smirking, laughing, head shaking, and "You don't understand" baloney really got old. After awhile I wasn't even paying attention, and found myself getting angrier and angrier and McCain's attitude. Is this how he would treat a foreign dignitary? The best quote was Mr. Obama's when he mentioned we need to get other countries to respect us again. McCain didn't even respond to that. My mind is made up. I'll go with class anyday, and Mr. Obama is the one who showed the poise the professionalism that I expect in a president.

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                                                                      Reply#17 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
                                                                      Proud American-563160

                                                                      That was right on.... We definitely need other countries to respect us again and McCain was showing the major attitude tonight... Is that what America really needs for a President?? McCain didn't clearly outline anything that he, personally, can bring to the table as President and how to deal with foreign leaders that's because he was too busy attacking Obama without REALLY addressing the issues at hand.

                                                                        #17.1 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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                                                                        Katie-417569

                                                                        What I can't stand right now is how vile some people are being on this post. Look us on the democratic side are going to think Obama won and those on the republican side will think McCain won (though if you think that I don't know what debate you were watching). However, I am appauled at how those of you on the right are calling Obama an "idiot" "uppity" and "stupid" and "ugly". This man is a constitutional law professor who graduated from Harvard. He is by no means an idiot. I just really think that most of you are pitching a hissy fit because you know that your candidate came off as a little angry and definately had a real contest here on foreign policy. He would not look Barack in the eye which is really "uppity" if you as me. Barack at least has the balls to look his competitor in the eye. If you are going to call names like "stupid" and "ugly" fine but you really show your level of intelligence if you do and you are the reason this country is being run into the ground. Take your blinders off.

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                                                                        Reply#18 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
                                                                        ftpolkmp

                                                                        Take the blinders off? When are you going to take yours off? I didn't hear you once mention the things said about McCain and believe me some of them are just as bad. I love your post though. It's the political shift fire ploy. Both sides are going to say they one but Obama really did because I said so. It was a fair debate but definitely a tie. Neither candidate made any point that will change anyones mind.

                                                                          #18.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
                                                                          Fisherman144

                                                                          ftpdkmp - You made a great slip....You use 'one' instead of 'won'....and that referred to Obama. Glad you know that he is going to be our next President.

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                                                                          #18.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
                                                                          ftpolkmp

                                                                          LOL are you really that big of a joke that you would try to change the substance of what I am trying to say? Is your last name Olbermann?

                                                                            #18.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
                                                                            Jason-578898

                                                                            McCain is the spittin' image of G.Dubya!!! He needs to be stopped. He will ruin the world!!!

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                                                                            #18.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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                                                                            Coalition For a United America

                                                                            So much for a waste of millions. What did we learn? Nothing new. Both men and parties are corrupt and they both made a mockery of what the debate was to be about and structured. Gee. That's a shocker. All the while the big corporate donors keep pouring money into both the4 Democrats and Republicans.
                                                                            Face it. Neither is up to the challenges facing us in the 21st century. Corruption is rampant and the very people, both Democrats and Republicans, that are prepared to spend 700 billion, are also accepting millions in donations from these same companies and we let it happen and continue to let it happen.
                                                                            Revolution and the overthrow of the democrats and Republicans is the only answer and would make our founders proud. If not, then find the nearest box to call home as we slide into a 3rd world country where the Capitol elite and Hollywood elite fly over us as we lose everything and our children lose everything.
                                                                            Now comes the time when the McCain and Obama Cyborgs both here and on TV to say what they have be programmed to say.
                                                                            Whomever wins and I suspect it will be Obama then the American people have no one to blame but themselves and this goes for the slight chance that McCain wins because at a critical moment in our history, we, the American people failed and let down those courageous and brave Americans that have fought for our democracy whether on the battlefield or in the streets. Whether against Hitler and Tojo or Johnson and Nixon.
                                                                            The system is beyond repair. A new president whether Democrat or Republican will not solve anything and, if anything, will make matters worse. But we are to blame because we let them get away with it and do nothing and they know they can continue to take money from the fat cats and we bleep like sheep while America's politicians and the news media are sold to the highest bidder.
                                                                            Whether the cyborgs like it or not, Revolution is coming no matter who is elected and every politician will be held accountable for every dollar they have accepted from the fat cats and for every dollar in pork barrel they have sent home. What is going to explode will make the 60's seem like a stroll in the park.
                                                                            Every politician that has accepted money from these companies will be sent to jail. Every news commentator, instead of reporting the news inserts his or hers opinion will be sent to jail. Re-elections will be held again and amnesty International, Human Rights groups and the ACLU will be in every precinct to make sure it is fair AND no candidate can run without accepting Federal money at any level and any candidate that tries to "Refine" this will be disqualified.
                                                                            Some laugh but there will come a time when real change and not some BS slogan about change occurs. All the fat cats on Wall Street and Hollywood will be history.

                                                                            Also if the people running this debate want to try and silence disent it won't happen. They silence it by changeing the heading. Freedom of expression is a part of constitution and suppressing freedom of expression is a part of the politics as usual rule.

                                                                              Reply#19 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
                                                                              swolf4810

                                                                              I was totally undecided untill tonight's debate...............no more. I'll be voting Obama even though I'm not a huge fan. McCain spends too much time to "I knew such and so when..." and has no clue to just how badly Bush's policies have ham-strung us on foreign policy world-wide... and even worse,now wants to keep charging down that same road. I fear if he's elected, he just might be the idiot that triggers the end of civilazation.

                                                                              • 5 votes
                                                                              Reply#20 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
                                                                              homeloanchic

                                                                              obviously you do not understand politics and how the government runs.

                                                                                #20.1 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
                                                                                US Freedom

                                                                                You're always on here posting pro Obama...give it a rest.

                                                                                Obaama looked very nervous and way out of his eague...this is a "junior" to the ninth degree!

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #20.2 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
                                                                                Jason-578898

                                                                                Disagree he really outsmarted McCain by far, but then that is kinda like outsmarting Ole G.Dubya, a cinch!!!

                                                                                He's nothing but an idiot, and spends so much time remembering the past he has no idea how to look forward!!!

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                                                                                #20.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
                                                                                Maire-483418

                                                                                John McCain is Palins coach!! Both claim that they have foreign policy experience because they both actually saw foreign lands.

                                                                                Honestly, I listened to the debate and was properly lulled by the little anecdotes and reminiscing of the good old times by JmcC. It reminded me of an old man exaggerating his past to impress his old fishing buddies.

                                                                                The final straw was when he injected his claim to fame.."When I returned from the prison in....." I gagged. He lost me at that point. I almost expected his next comment to be "boy, get me my sarsaparilla". He acted as a true bigot, using trite demeaning comments and lacking the courtesy of speaking directly to Senator Obama. He reminded me of the many stories of the ugly plantation owners of the south.

                                                                                They are both Senators elected to direct our country and represent us. However, JmcC has trouble with saying the words, middle class. We are the majority and pay an inordinate amount of our earnings in taxes, but we are looked down on by the NOBILITY- a class that shouldn't exist in our republic.

                                                                                Barack H Obama acted like a gentleman and showed respect for the doddering old man. Thank you!

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                                                                                #20.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:24 AM EDT
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                                                                                Danny-578426

                                                                                To anyone who believes McCain won this debate look to these fatal gaffs

                                                                                1. When asked about how this economic crisis would affect their presidency, Mc Cain stated he would consider a Spending Freeze with the exception of Veteran care, Defense and social security. Ludicrous - we are growing increasingly undereducated, we have a crisis in health care and our infrastructure is crumbling. That was a huge gaff.
                                                                                2. What wisdom do you have regarding the war in Iraq? Mc Cain neglected to touch upon the wisdom of entering into the war in the first place. He made an impassioned speech about troops who told him that they want to go back and win. What about the cries from thousands of soldiers who have say that only brotherhood compels them to return. They have all reported that they are unwanted and they do not think they should be there. Barack at least had the wisdom to say that the greatest lessons to learn from this war is to understand the mission, understand the strategy, understand the budget and understand your enemy. McCain should have taken this and he did not.
                                                                                3. McCain lied, lied and lied again. He made broad statements hoping they would stick and Barack did an amazing job stepping on them one by one.

                                                                                Barack has some shorcomings and he owns them. He mentioned his running mate several times and the strengths he brings to the administration. Strengths that Barack may not have. That is the sign of a true leader. McCain could only say that he was running with a co-Maverick.

                                                                                  Reply#21 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
                                                                                  Coalition For a United America

                                                                                  We will keep posting and sending out mailers long after this electrion is over.

                                                                                    Reply#22 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
                                                                                    Coalition For a United America

                                                                                    The time has come for america to get angry and direct it's anger at Washington and the fat cat slobs of both parties that ruin our lives while enriching theirs.

                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                    Reply#23 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
                                                                                    ftpolkmp

                                                                                    No need to send fliers. The rating of Congress shows that we believe they are the problem. We need an answer and as long as there is partisan politics there will be a lousy Congress. Neither of these candidates are going to make a difference. It is going to take a complete revamp of Congress. Term limits would be the best first step.

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                                                                                    #23.1 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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                                                                                    Bonnie-450565

                                                                                    I was pretty worried. I bet my brother 50 bucks that, sometime in the debate, McCain would remind us he was a "POW" - Near the end of the debate my brother text me with "send my money" - but he should not have hit the send button. Shortly after McCain came out with "When I came out of prison" and saved my wager. Also, I have to remark about McCain referring to his running mate as another Maverick. I'd say she is more like a deer staring in the headlights.

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                                                                                    Reply#24 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
                                                                                    Katie-417569

                                                                                    Can't wait for the VP debate. I hope she says "in what respect Joe". Or gets caught up and says "I'll get the facts and bring em to ya." Love it. I think I might be her for Halloween.

                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                    #24.1 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
                                                                                    gronamox

                                                                                    He was never in prison. He was in a remote POW camp. He says he was tortured, but whatever happened, he signed a denunciation of the US, and was afraid to leave. He was too weak to walk thru the jungle to find the Americans. So he stayed for five years. He obviously lost his mind.

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                                                                                    #24.2 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
                                                                                    ftpolkmp

                                                                                    From a Veterans point of view all I can say is WOW. I don't think I've ever heard more bull in my life. No matter what I think of McCains politics I would hope that if I had ever been a POW I could be half the man/soldier John McCain was.

                                                                                      #24.3 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
                                                                                      Rhonda T

                                                                                      I will always give reverence to a soldier. I thank you all. I still think that there comes a time to talk about the future rather than the past. I understand that the past makes us who we are but enough is enough. My father was a veteran and I have many family members and friends' husbands that are in Iraq now. I need the bs as you said to stop. It's great he was a noble soldier. Right now, he is trying to be our President. This is pur future not our past. Bringing it up everytime he spits out two words does nothing for me. He was asked a question and he went into a story about a soldier that had nothing to do with the question. I have stories too and so do you and many other Americans. What we need is change and results. And thank you ftpolkmp for serving our country. All soldiers are the heart of America.

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                                                                                      #24.4 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:20 AM EDT
                                                                                      ray-421884

                                                                                      What Mccain doesn't seem to realize is the fact that the more time's you bring up your heroism the less heroic you look. As far as his maverick sidekick, if he is so proud of her why doesn't he let her out of the closet?

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #24.5 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
                                                                                      Ironwork/USA

                                                                                      Out of the closet? I'll be surprised if she shows up at the debate. Or will it be Tina Fey in disguise.

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                                                                                      #24.6 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
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                                                                                      bubbdog

                                                                                      Obama was very presidential and did very well on the debates. McCain was on attack and had no substance. I did not hear McCain really seem to care about finishing the job of getting Bin Laden. McCain also looked like he was about to lose his temper near the last half hour. He sure doesn't like to listen or hear that he has been wrong. The most recent fact that McCain supported the Iraq war, and let go of completing the job of Afghanistan, yet he does not realize that he owns that failure along with Bush. He can recite all kinds of military conflicts in the past but he has ownership of the last several years. I also heard the commentary of how McCain did well on economic issues. What were they hearing? He wants to do the same b.s. Bush did. Tax cuts...not for us. For people like him and his wife and the people who helped create the mess in Wall Street. I thought he did lousy. McCain also keep bringing up Reagan. I lived in DC during the Reagan years and I do not remember a festive economy under his leadership. It was the same tax logic and trickle down crap. McCain also is not for big government but he is big on big corporate. If big business had there way there would be no minimum wage or a lot of other government regulation. I have also noticed that over the past few weeks that McCain has out right lied on camera. His behavior tonight also showed his experience is in the past but is lacking on current affairs. And he started acting aggravated when questioned about it. I think it is time for McCain to go to one of his several houses and retire.

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                                                                                      Reply#25 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
                                                                                      superlogiDeleted
                                                                                      sick n' tired

                                                                                      Not true. . .this Vietnam Vet, now retired military, served also!!!! You should not use generalities when talking about military members. We are as different and diverse as this great country we defend. During Vietnam, we had the DRAFT, and the average age of the 58,000 casualties was 19. Lyndon Johnson inherited the presidency AFTER JOHN KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED. You are talking about apples and oranges . . . different wars under different circumstances. Be Fair.

                                                                                        #25.2 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:30 AM EDT
                                                                                        Frank-387348

                                                                                        The WMD of 2002 were analogous to the Tonkin Gulf "incident" of 1964. The wars are different but the deceit is similar.

                                                                                        And if McCain is elected the next "incident" may be in the Straits of Hormuz.

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                                                                                        #25.3 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:12 AM EDT
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