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For women, too much body hair can hurt

Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:41 AM EDT
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— Rae Gross knows her hair-removal techniques. The 26-year-old has spent half her life shaving, bleaching, waxing and weighing the benefits of other hair-elimination methods.

“I tried Nair but my hair was too thick,” she says. “I looked at electrolysis but the cost was prohibitive and it would have taken a decade. And my mom suggested threading but it just seemed like I had too much of an area to cover.”

Gross, a public relations manager from Laguna Beach, Calif., finally decided to try laser hair removal. She’s invested the last two years and more than $10,000 on what she calls the “full treatment.”

“I’m getting it on my underarms, arms, hands, chest, stomach, Brazilian, legs, face, neck and back. And I can tell you, it’s painful.”

Hairless ‘hauties’
Equally painful is growing up as a hairy female in a culture where the only acceptable hair is glossy and luxurious and limited to the top of the head. While our mothers and grandmothers only had to worry about shaving their legs and their underarms, women today are lining up for hair-blasting lasers and Brazilian waxes like brides outside of Filene’s, undergoing excruciatingly painful — and pricey — procedures in order to join the ever-increasing hairless hordes.

According to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery, laser hair removal was the third most popular non-surgical cosmetic procedure performed in 2007. (More than 1 million zapped!) It also was the No. 1 procedure for people under the age of 18.

Waxing, too, has experienced phenomenal growth, says Joao Padilha of The J Sisters Salon in Manhattan. In addition to denuding the women of Gotham City, The J Sisters ships waxing supplies to salons across the country.

“Before waxing, beauty salons were mostly about hair and skin care but in the past five years, the hair-removal business has grown at least 25 percent,” he says. “And that’s not just at J Sisters, but coast to coast. Pop culture has a lot to do with it — even ‘Sex and the City’ had an episode about waxing.”

The pain of depilation
Unfortunately, the spike in popularity brought on by pop culture — and, some would argue, the porn industry — has created a world of hurt for the hirsute.

Gross, who inherited her ubiquitous dark hair from her Eastern European father, says she spends an incredible amount of time plucking, tweezing, shaving, waxing and, most of all, hiding her body-hair burden from the world.

“People don’t get it; they just think you’re super anal about your appearance or that you’re vain,” says Gross. “But I have body hair pretty much from head to toe. And no one really knows. Up until I started getting laser, I could count on one hand the number of people who knew what I had to go through just to get ready every morning. But I don’t have a choice. I work in an image-oriented industry. I have to look good.”

Lara Del Rio, a 24-year-old executive assistant from Santa Monica, Calif., says she’s practically neurotic when it comes to hair removal.

“I’m Hispanic and have darker hair and I spend a ridiculous amount of time making sure my body hair remains unseen,” she says. “I don’t care how painful it is, I’ll do it. I like the way it makes me look, plus I live in a place where people can be very critical about body image.”

Hair woes aren’t just limited to those whose genetics — or geographical location — ensure a lifelong relationship with their aesthetician.

      

Lillian Arleque, a 52-year-old consultant and life coach from Andover, Mass., has experienced hair growth after childbirth and menopause, and also after taking testosterone for female sexual dysfunction.           

“I work with a sexual medicine physician who does ‘off-label’ prescribing of testosterone for women, and I have to use higher doses than most women to get results,” she says. “And about eight weeks into it, I started getting very long black hairs on the back of my legs and heavier hair on my inner thighs and a lot of hair growth on my face and neck. I even started growing sideburns, sort of.”           

Excessive hair growth also has been attributed to polycystic ovary syndrome, which, along with causing increased hair growth on the face, chest, stomach, back, thumbs or toes, can cause female-pattern baldness.

Rarer forms of hirsutism have been linked to tumors or cancer in the adrenal gland or ovary. In addition, the extremely rare disorder hypertrichosis, a condition of excessive hairiness, can cause hair growth over the entire body or in unusual locations such as the face, ears, shoulders or elbows.

Smooth solutions
Not surprisingly, there are as many ways to remove hair as there are places to grow it.

While millions have turned to laser, waxing and electrolysis, others have opted for sugaring, a sweeter version of hair removal that uses a sugar paste instead of wax, or threading, an ancient technique in which a cotton string is rolled across unwanted hairs to pluck them out.

Still more have pinned their hair-removal hopes on topical drugs such as Vaniqa, which works by inhibiting an enzyme needed for hair growth. Vaniqa received approval from the Food and Drug Administration for the reduction of unwanted facial hair in women in 2003. Other options include oral contraceptives and anti-androgens, which work by reducing the level of androgens, the hormones linked to excessive hair growth.

But no method of hair removal is perfect. Medications can have unwanted side effects, and laser can be less effective with certain skin and hair types. (Dark hair on light skin gets the best results.) And many hair removal techniques can be a pain — both literally and financially. In 2007, the average price for a one-to-two-hour laser-hair-removal session was $387, according to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery.

Even waxing, while wildly popular, can carry health risks, especially if the technician fails to use proper hygiene.

“If the wax or the wax stick is infected, you could develop a bacterial infection,” says Jennifer Wider, medical adviser for the Society for Women’s Health Research and co-editor of “The Savvy Woman Patient.” “And even if all the conditions are safe, you could still get folliculitis, which requires antibiotics, or develop an allergy from the products.”

Naked apes
In a society obsessed by smooth skin, though, letting nature take its dark, curly course can be equally problematic.

“I never imagined I’d be doing a cosmetic procedure on my 13-year-old daughter, but the alternative was to watch her self-esteem erode,” says Dr. Hema Sundaram, a Washington, D.C., dermatologist who recently used a laser to zap away unwanted hairs on her daughter’s upper lip.

“In the course of 30 years, our concept of what is normal has changed so much,” she says. “Now women are expected to not have a speck of hair anywhere. And it’s even becoming the ideal for men. When’s the last time you saw a hairy chest on a celebrity or an athlete or a model?”

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R. New York

It was such a huge relief when I read your story. I come from a Hispanic background and all I can say is that being hairy in today's society can be downright embarrassing. I tried waxing (it's too painful), shaving (too time consuming), and my last resort was laser hair removal (too painful, but with the longest result). It's almost like a secret society when I meet another female who's as hairy as myself and who's actually willing to talk about it.

Thank you once again.

R. Bronx, NY

    Reply#1 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
    Heather-590060

    Thank you for writing this story. I come from a French-Mediterranian background where I received the dominant side...and hairy features...of my heritage. Growing up, I had to deal with awful nicknames from "Hairy Gorilla" to "Burt" (as in Burt from Sesame Street). I was always self-conscious about my looks, and my mom was very gracious and supportive of my "hairy issue." I started waxing at age 12 and I actually had the laser removal process done on my sideburns and arms when I was 17. Waxing when you're a 12-year-old is awful, but not as painful as the repetitive rubber-band-pop sensation from the laser process.

    It's good to talk about issues like this, especially when it comes to self-esteem issues of young women. Kudos for bringing this out into the open.

      Reply#2 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
      disgusted independant

      Our culture has gotten so superficial. I am a hairy man and the only hair on a woman that bothers me is stubble, only because it is abrasive. I will not be removing the hair from my chest or back anytime soon. Ladies - it is OK to have hair. I don't want a woman whose body looks like a ten year old girl!

      • 4 votes
      Reply#3 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
      Karen-593572

      Thank you!

      • 1 vote
      #3.1 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
      Jennifer-291876

      Just as my husband says! I think women are putting this pressure on ourselves. I am also curious why a guy would want you to be bald - makes me worry about his tendencies!

        #3.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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        Perrin-346090

        I can understand pursuing remedies when some physical feature is truly disfiguring -- like a hairlip. But what is it women think they are buying with all these extraordinary, expensive and time consuming procedures. Happiness? Career advancement? Self-respect? I'm a woman whose managed to get through life without obsessing about every hair, or wrinkle, or having plastic surgery, or otherwise spending a bomb to fix whatever "flaw" it is that's supposed to stand in the way of having a career, the love of a good man, or whatever else it was that I set my sights on. Are all these women models and starlets? Or have all young women, talented women become so immersed in "Project Runway" and "Sex in the City" culture that they no longer have the courage, or even the memory, of their intrinsic self-worth. Aren't their therapists cluing them in? These women need to stop the waxing, the texting and the reality TV viewing for just a minute and really consider what they are becoming: little, unquestioning (and denuded) hamsters spinning out their days on a spinning wheel in a cage that leads nowhere.

          Reply#4 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
          chibidraco

          Perrin, first off I don't see a therapist because I'm perfectly happy with my life - so sorry I have nobody to "clue me in."
          I underwent a veritable roller coaster of hormone therapy after doctors discovered that my body wasn't producing them properly on its own. After having three specialists tinker with various pills, shots, and everything else I'm finally living a normal life. The only side effect is a very pronounced mustache. And I do mean VERY pronounced.
          I do a great deal of public speaking with my job, and I've had people openly stare for the duration of the presentation, and even write on their comment sheet after the presentation about the matter of an excess of hair being a distraction to their learning. This led to my personal decision to wax it off once a week with my microwavable wax which takes all of five minutes out of my day.
          Yes, the media has escalated the expectations of beauty in Western culture, but not all of the hubris lies with the vanity of the individual but with the perceptions of others. I would rather the quality of my work be judged on just that - the quality of my work, as opposed to a minor physical imperfection which people certainly seem to linger on.
          And on a side note I find "Project Runway" and "Sex in the City" to be complete and utter drivel.

            #4.1 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
            Perrin-346090

            OK, then you do have good reason for treatment. But I think you see my point.

              #4.2 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
              Elistra

              A woman who is pursuing an advanced degree, developing her talents, acquiring new skills, making new friends, or advancing in her career is praised, and rightly so.

              We love self-improvement in this culture, do we not?

              She is not called arrogant, vain, or brainwashed...

              .... unless her particular self-improvement project includes becoming more attractive. Then, we immediately proceed to crush her into the dirt, calling her all those names and more besides.

              Strange, isn't it? Heh.

              • 1 vote
              #4.3 - Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:26 AM EST
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              jim-350736

              Ridiculous in the extreme. I've never been able to equate the western ideology of a creator whose every creation must be changed to fit a very warped sense of image by man. I think a lot of it is commercial conditioning to sell product. Image is all that matters and if the image is hairless, there is no cost that is to high. We don't decide who we are anymore, we let corporations like Revlon and media giants like Vivid and Playboy do that for us. Naked, chemical laden, brainwashed apes without a clue of how we are manipulated and harmed by the relentless quest for profit. Will we ever wake up and realize that we are amazingly perfect as we are? I doubt it, not as long as CEOs dictate and control that self image.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#5 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
              Emmy-401357

              As someone with PCOS, light skin and dark hair I am very glad to have gone through laser hair removal on my upper lip, chin, neck and sideburns. I would have loved to be able to my 'normal self', hairy lip and all but that isn't something that society would accept. I spent the majority of my life having to hide away when I couldn't shave my face because the hair wasn't long enough and razor burn isn't a nice thing to have as a girl. Now with the hair gone, I have much more confidence.

              It isn't about being hooked on reality TV, wanting to be like hollywood starlets or what images are being thrown at me through commercials. For me, its about dealing with hand I was given in life as best as I can.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#6 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
              Stoggy

              The plain truth is that hairy women can simply do what we guys have been doing for centuries: lather up and shave. A little fuzz is OK, but uni-brows and mustaches on women have to go, as do woolly backs and ZZ-Top beards on men. Don't forget to mow those ears and nostrils too. A Gillette slim will slide into the nose, rotate, and do the job nicely.

                Reply#7 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
                Enma3

                Just don't do what my friend Debbie did at about 12--she shaved her arms--oh did that look even worse growing back in!

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                Reply#8 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
                Monica-592465

                I too have excessive body hair, but have learned to live with it. Being an artist, and lesbian it hasn't been too much of a problem as many gay women like the look of natural hair on women. I have accepted it and don't mind women with the same issue as me. I have embraced my hair as something god has given me and now find it attractive for myself and on others.

                  Reply#9 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
                  Spinning

                  I am of (Asian) Indian descent. I too am extremely hairy. Nair won't work on me because my hair is too thick. I can't do laser treatments, even if I could afford it, because my skin is too dark. My entire face has to be waxed, including my forehead.

                  My legs and arms are so hairy that when I was 6 the kids in school called me Hairy as a nickname. I was 6!!!! Can you imagine what my situation became like after puberty?

                  My face has to be waxed weekly. I can't afford it. It costs $30 not including tip. Some of the hair on my face (chin and upper lip) are so thick that they don't come out with waxing. I must puck them individually. I pluck at least twice a day. I also use Vaniqua. All of this is after the use of the cream.

                  I would love to find a solution. But in the mean time I just do my best to hide my arms and legs. And spend time on my face daily to try to get rid of the worst of my hair.

                  I am glad to know that I am not alone.

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                  Reply#10 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
                  Lola-592784

                  I have been contemplating getting laser treatment done on my neck, chest and around my nipples : ( Can someone suggest a location in central or north jersey?

                    Reply#11 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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                    1outof3

                    It's not about vanity...it's about, like some have said, being made fun of at a younger age or just having too much that it's ridiculous! Some of us have more than others, and to find a way to get rid of some (or all) of it is wonderful. I had my bikini line lasered, and it was money well spent as depilatories burn the skin and only remove the hair from the surface so you waste time having to keep doing it. Shaving is not a consideration in that area either. So again, it's not about vanity or reality TV. It's about peace in your life!

                      Reply#12 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
                      Curata et Industria-330581

                      I am still amazed to this day, fourty years ago I took a marketing class. People still let Madison Avenue and Hollywood determine what they should, eat, drink, smoke, wipe with, clean with, drive, not drive, where to go, how to go, with whom to go, where not to go, what color, size, shape........
                      Ladies, Your 50% of the species. I am a firm believer that if you need to paint the barn, then Paint it.

                      But this torture.......!

                      I can hardly wait for the next Ice Age!

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#13 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
                      ringostarr102185

                      You know, I'm reading these comments and, like other women on this discussion board, I have excessive body hair, since a child. I had been teased into my teens because of it. When I was in high school, I went to an endocrinologist to do some hormone tests and my condition is unfortunately due to genes rather than hormones. I've personally found shaving to be the most tedious way of hair removal, especially since (at least in my experience) hair comes back coarser.

                      While I appreciate those of you who encourage women like myself to embrace our natural selves, I dare say that people like you are few and far in between. We live in a time where excessive hair is not glamorous and the adverse, sometimes visceral reactions excessive body hair can garnish are not at all pleasant. Rude comments can be hurtful whether you're six or 23. It would be nice to be in a place where hair isn't frowned upon or treated with disgust. Until then, I think many of females like myself will just have to be resigned to all sorts of hair removal treatments.

                        Reply#14 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
                        C Z-593891

                        I have mixed feelings about your story....only because two years ago I completed laser hair removal on my legs, upper lip, and bikini area with horrifying results. I was two sessions away from completion and my "usual" technician had received a promotion and was no longer doing the procedure. So, two new ARNP's were doing the procedure for me on both of my legs....needless to say, I walked out of the clinic with second and third degree burns covering my thighs. I know my situation is an exception, I hope, but I do not encourage this procedure to be done by anyone! Thankfully, after months of treatment by my family physician, I can say that I do not have any visible scarring, but there is still the psychological aspect of 'letting someone do this to me.'

                        I have friends who have asked about having the procedure done, and I tell them of my experience, but leave the choice up to them....most have decided against it. Although it is extremely painful to have this procedure done, as mentioned by the Medical Director for this particular clinic stated to my attorney and myself - "nothing is guaranteed and this procedure doesn't work on everyone, every skin tone, every hair type...etc."

                        If women are considering this painful procedure, please don't just consider the cost ($$$$), but consider who is actually performing the procedure on you. Do your research not only on the facility performing the procedure on you, but the actual technicians! Research their liability insurance as well as their medical malpractice insurance.....READ THE FINE PRINT on anything presented to you. Spend the time doing these things, especially if you are committed to making this type of investment and remember - NOTHING is permanent....including hair removal!

                          Reply#15 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
                          NJ to Miami

                          Dear Lola
                          Laser Cosmetica at 6 East 78th street, NY,NY 10021 T:212-472-5222. I got lasered here in 2004, 80% of unwanted hair is still gone. I negotiated price, $1200 unlimited visits for 1 year for bikini, lip, chin, belly. Went 9 times and the last 2 times (new laser machine) were the best (zapped hair better and less pain). Customers complained so that is why they invested in a better laser.

                          All laser machines not created equal so do research and do not automatically believe them when they say "our laser is the latest and best. In 2004 New Jersey had strict law only medical doctor can perform laser so very very expensive. Therefore, I went to NY where technicians can use laser.

                          You can buy a small bottle of numbing cream over the counter at any pharmacy, costs about $20. I forgot the brand name.Apply 30 minutes before laser procedure.

                            Reply#16 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
                            Jolyn

                            I to have always fought excessive hair growth, though for me it started after I went on a particular birth control. I agree with all of the women that have said "THANK YOU" for this article. I hate the fact that I have to shave everyday! I also hate the fact that I am so into what the culture says is acceptable, but that is the world we live in and it does have an affect on your business and personal life. Kudos to all that would speak of this issue.

                              Reply#17 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
                              John T-239903

                              "American" women in peculiar............... This message is for you.

                              Get your head and above all your body straight. Hirsute rules!!! Throw off the pathetic, disgusting chains of shaving ad nauseum. Most women - on average - should only shave their legs, leaving everything else - on average - as hairy, full and thick as nature made. It IS a gift the gods bestowed you with....., bring it back, you have a duty regarding same. Shower at least once if nor twice a day, throw away the horrific deordorant that only an alien could stomach.

                              Women, you have been blessed with your own incredible aroma - your "perfume" as it were, that only a real man knows how to appreciate, both top and bottom. Stop being a prisoner vis-a- vis all these eunich "men" and get it straight (no pun intended) with a real man who adores the unreal beauty of a real woman in full bouquet.

                              Before she gets the d_ck, she's gotta got to get the l_ck.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#18 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
                              reedwrite45

                              As one of thousands of hairy women in the Seattle area where Diana Mapes, the author of this article, is from I'm surprised and disappointed that she didn't bother to speak with women who have chosen not to waste their precious time or money on hair removal. I shaved and waxed until my early 20s, but kept getting rashes from having to do it so often. It was a hopeless cause and so I decided to hell with it. Yes, I am still occasionally self-conscious about my hairiness in this crazy culture, but I wouldn't start hair removing again for just about anything (ok, I do draw the limit at the hair on my chin, which I wax). I found that having seriously hairy legs didn't interfere with dating one bit and married the perfect guy (who doesn't have to deal with razor stubble). I save a lot of money and have more time to do the things I need to do and love to do.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#19 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
                              della-594505

                              I am SICK TO DEATH of stories that begin in the manner that this one does!

                              First, the person makes a very brief statement about the "discomfort" and "prohibitive expense" of electrolysis. Then, in the very next breath, they state that they "invested" 10,000 smackers in LASER HAIR REMOVAL! Talk about expense! And pain?!? Believe me, you'll feel it.

                              While SOME people get SOME results with laser, electrolysis is the ONLY PERMANENT METHOD OF HAIR REMOVAL. Period.

                              And how on earth can people claim electrolysis costs too much, when they are plunking down the kind of cash they are on laser?!? Electrolysis appointments cost $60 per hour, on average, around the US. Depending on the size of the area of the body being treated, you can only do an hour per week. Perhaps two hours, if you're talking about your legs, or multiple areas at once.

                              Yes, it takes a while. Yes, you could end up spending in the neighborhood of $10,000...if you have a REALLY SEVERE HAIR PROBLEM. But, wouldn't you rather invest the time, make small weekly payments as the work is done, and see actual results that last a lilfetime?

                              Find a qualified, reputable electrologist. Do your homework. Try every electrologist in your area. Ask for references. Ask for a free 10 minute session, to get the feel of it. Understand that you must stick to your schedule. Have patience. The hair will begin to disappear, and it WILL NOT return. Believe me.

                              I've been there and done that. And then I became an electrologist.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#20 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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                              tiger_eyes

                              The only areas where I remove hair is my armpits and legs. My arms are a bit hairy imo but I don't care anymore. I already have someone special and he likes me just the way I am.

                              I focus more on getting healthy and looking good then not having any hair. The only thing I would consider is permanent leg hair removal. Now that would be nice.

                                Reply#21 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:23 AM EDT
                                Jennifer-380576

                                removal of excess facial hair on women is NOT A COSMETIC ISSUE.
                                PERIOD.
                                let me ask you this- do you think treatment of acne is purely cosmetic? Do you think the treatment of eczema is purely cosmetic? Do you get it yet?
                                When women have hair on their face- enough that shaving produces stubble/gray underneath skin, then it is a problem- something not normal and a medical issue. If you have never had a moustache or a beard as a woman, you will NEVER understand what we go through. Ever. I'm still waiting for the freaking insurance agencies to get on board. If you treat acne, then you should treat women for laser hair removal on the face.

                                Now I said face- I can agree with the argument that legs, bikini, etc is cosmetic- but on the face is simply just as painful and debilitating, if not more than acne. Which, by the way, is covered by most insurance agencies and - AND more acceptable in society if you have it.

                                There you go. There's nothing to argue about. It sucks and removal is the only way to have any semblance of a normal life. Those who don't have to go through it should thank their lucky stars.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#22 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:30 AM EDT
                                Sherri-272343

                                I can understand that women would want to get rid of body hair, but it seems like men lately want to get rid of it as well. Just as a man would think that a "hairy" woman is unattractive, so is a hairless man, in my opinion.

                                  Reply#23 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:00 AM EDT
                                  .Gwendolyn.

                                  Having PCOS sucks and people are cruel. Without the (painful and not covered by the stupid insurance companies) laser treatments I literally have a full beard like a man. Ever since puberty people have made fun of me for the excess hair on my face and body. Now, for only $250 a treatment every eight weeks, I have gotten rid of the beard, except for those few hairs that are stubborn.

                                  Living with this disease has really held me back in life. I was afraid to go out for so many years because I had to pluck out the hairs for 2 hours a day, then shave to get the ones I missed, then cover up the scarring and redness from the hair removal with tons of liquid foundation. Then after all of that, people would still stare. I never wore my hair up, hoping my long hair would hide my sideburns. With PCOS, I couldn't live a 'normal' life. I felt shunned. I felt like the fat bearded woman at the freak show.

                                  I've gotten rid of the beard, am living with the excess body hair (no more bathing suits for me) and still feel uncomfortable about showing my arms because of the hair. Long sleeves in summer isn't too fun.

                                  Now the hair on my head is falling out, thank goodness I had a ton of hair to start with, else I'd be almost totally bald. PCOS makes you ugly. It removes any feeling or sense of being a woman. Balding, hairy body and face and the weight gain is horrid. Ballooning up to 310 pounds as a 20 year old wasn't great for my self-esteem at all. Neither is the type II diabetes, irregular periods and all the other crap.

                                  When you see a woman with a beard, think about her health and what you can't see. She's going through a lot of crap and you should be kind to her, not make fun of her and stare.

                                    Reply#24 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:40 AM EDT
                                    Barbara Butcher

                                    I have always had very hairy legs, but my mother and sister were blessed to not have to shave. I hate the hair, so I've thought a lot about why we shave anyway. I think that it's a man's attraction to young women that pushes us to shave and remove hair. We should be naturally attractive to the opposite sex without having to bush hog our bodies. I think we like looking like younger women too, so it's not ALL their fault. Strangely, I have had men attracted to my facial hair. I had an acquaintance (who has four children) who had hair on her chest and she refused to shave her legs. This lady married the most handsome young man I've ever seen. As masculine as I felt that I looked, I have always attracted men who were androgenously attractive. Now I have a hairy son. My son really likes his hairy body. His hair made him popular in grade school because he looked older than the other fifth and sixth grade students. Nature has to have some sort of a purpose for this curse. Maybe it's just to let hairy Neanderthal men sell insurance.

                                      Reply#25 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
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