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Analysis: With bailout, McCain reaches dead end

Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:13 AM EDT
politics, mccain, republican-john-mccain, dead-end
Steven R. Hurst, Associated Press
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<p>Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., makes a statement in West Des Moines, Iowa on Monday, Sept. 29, 2008 on the failure of the financial emergency bill to pass the U.S. House. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)</p>

Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., makes a statement in West Des Moines, Iowa on Monday, Sept. 29, 2008 on the failure of the financial emergency bill to pass the U.S. House. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

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— Republican John McCain has maneuvered himself into a political dead end and has five weeks to find his way out.

Last Wednesday, McCain suspended his presidential campaign to insert himself into a $700 billion effort to rescue America's crumbling financial structure. In so doing, he tied himself far more tightly to the bill than did his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama.

Then, as the bailout plan appeared ready for passage Monday in the House, McCain bragged that he was an action-oriented Teddy Roosevelt Republican who did not sit on the sidelines at a moment of crisis.

The implication: that he played a critical role in building bipartisan support for the unprecedented bailout.

"I went to Washington last week to make sure that the taxpayers of Ohio and across this great country were not left footing the bill for mistakes made on Wall Street and in Washington," McCain said at a campaign rally in the swing state of Ohio.

Both he and Obama had insisted the plan originally proposed by the Bush administration be strengthened with greater oversight and regulation.

Within hours, however, the measure died in the House mainly at the hands of McCain's own Republicans.

McCain was on his campaign plane preparing to leave Ohio when the House vote became final. McCain's chief economic adviser, however, issued a statement that blamed Obama.

"This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country," McCain senior policy adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin said.

When he reached Iowa, McCain told reporters: "Now is not the time to fix the blame, it's time to fix the problem."

All in all, McCain might have been better served by staying out of the mess and above the fray.

If the congressional impasse leads to a credit crisis, "it's not going to be good for McCain," veteran Republican consultant John Feehery said.

Obama had predicted trouble last week when he said the four-term Arizona senator was wrongly inserting red-hot presidential politics into a critical bailout plan even as the package was finding little support among voters.

As the plan failed Monday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 778 points, the largest one-day point drop ever. Credit markets, whose turmoil helped feed the stock market's deep anxiety, froze up further with the growing belief that the country is headed into a spreading credit and economic crisis.

Stunned traders on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange watched on TV screens as the House voted down the plan, and they saw stock prices tumbling on their monitors.

After the House vote, Obama — campaigning in swing-state Colorado — declared that McCain had "fought against commonsense regulations for decades, he's called for less regulation 20 times just this year, and he said in a recent interview that he thought deregulation has actually helped grow our economy."

"Senator, what economy are you talking about?" Obama said.

Sensing Obama's advantage, spokesman Bill Burton piled on:

"This is a moment of national crisis, and today's inaction in Congress as well as the angry and hyper-partisan statement released by the McCain campaign are exactly why the American people are disgusted with Washington."

McCain has been routinely wrong-footed on the slumping U.S. economy throughout the campaign, starting last year when he said he was not as up on that subject as he would like to be.

Polls consistently have shown voters place greater trust in Obama to pull the country out of a financial crisis that has not been matched since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

McCain — apparently obsessed with those facts — gambled last Wednesday by declaring he had suspended campaigning to bring his considerable bipartisan credentials to bear in congressional negotiations with the Bush administration. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson sent the enormous bailout package to Congress 11 days ago and said passage was urgent.

The measure went down 228-205, with more than two-thirds of McCain's own Republicans and 40 percent of Democrats opposed.

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Associated Press writer Charles Babington contributed to this report.

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EDITOR'S NOTE — Steven R. Hurst is the international political writer for The Associated Press and the former Baghdad bureau chief.

(This version CORRECTS SUBS grafs 8 to correct that McCain was on his campaign plane at the time the House vote became final, SUBS graf 10 to conform.)

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pammila

McCain is a dead end.

  • 41 votes
#1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:33 AM EDT
Freed

But he's a war "hero" - if a hero is someone who turns to the communists when captured and spends the rest of his political career attempting to cover up his deeds.

  • 23 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:04 AM EDT
Freed

Here's what 200 of our leading economists think about the bailout/ give away
(they don't agree with McCain and think his bail out will make the financial mess worse)

  • 21 votes
#1.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:12 AM EDT
IslamicScholars

they don't agree with McCain and think his bail out will make the financial mess worse)

i have to agree with you here, because how you gonna someone out of debt by putting them in more debt ??? lol these politicians think people are really stupid to pass such a plan, matter fact it shouldn't be considered a plan at all.

  • 13 votes
#1.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:47 AM EDT
SuperSaiyan

Yeah, I would have to agree with the assessment that this has greatly damaged McCain's prospects of winning the Presidency.

  • 16 votes
#1.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:34 AM EDT
Rob_NC

..and just how many democrats voted against the bill...over 40%...that's the rock around Pelosi`s neck.....nope McCain wasn`t the issue...

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:37 AM EDT
ohiogal-479871

Rob, the democrats weren't going to vote for it completely! It wasn't fair to have one party take the fall for this horrible bailout. The dems put up their 2/3 and the republicans were supposed to put up their 2/3 but didn't. Now they are crying cuz Pelosi was mean to them. They obviously haven't held a real job in their life. Here in the real world if your boss is mean you take it, suck it up and deal with it. Because if you don't your boss will find someone else who will. So If they can't take Pelosi or Barney Frank, then vote em out and get someone in there who can.

With that said I am GLAD the republicans (for what ever reasons they 'claim') didn't vote for it. I am GLAD McCain who took credit for getting the republicans on board got caught eating crow! I am GLAD the bailout plan failed.

This goes to show you that the reganomics and bushnomics does not work! They never should have privatized 401K and allowed companies to pull in record profits instead of paying their employee's pension. Now they want to privatize social security. We should have never allowed Regan to push this credit thing and flat line wages so people would be forced to use it.

I support the house republicans on this one, let the markets work it out and bring the greedy rich guys back down to normal guy status. The government has no responsibility to them, only the people. They should use the money from the bailout to give to people who lose their jobs as a result of these companies bad decisions. That will be far cheaper and more just.

  • 29 votes
#1.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:55 AM EDT
George-369262

I can't see that it makes any difference. By now, I would think that everyone knows who they are going to vote for. I'd love to see the prosecution of the former Fannie execs who inflated the earnings at Fannie to trigger bonuses for themselves. No difference between them, and the Enron executives currently doing time, except, of course, that they are associated with the Obama election campaign.

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:59 AM EDT
ComSen

And what has Obama done? Played it safe and be non-comittal? Is that a leader?

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:09 AM EDT
GMM-520347

And what has McCain done? Lie to the country over and over again, Is that a leader?

  • 33 votes
#1.9 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
jimi

ohiogal-479871, I must say, that is one of the best comments I've read on newsvine. Concise, not ranting along party lines, and cutting to the bone. Bravo.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
RatedRex

McCain biggest mistake was picking Sarah Palin. Imagine how Mitt Romney, with all of his financial and political experience, would look on the Republican ticket. I guarantee you that if McCain had chosen Romney instead of Palin, he would be leading in the polls right now.

  • 14 votes
#1.11 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:43 AM EDT
Concerned Citizen-444039

Hindsight is a bitch, right?

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
Behind My Screen

What has Obama done? acted smartly. he knew presidential race politics would hurt the negotiations. He KNEW that he was not on a committee that had a say in the bill's development. He KNEW that it would work out better if he did not try to falsely inject himself into the process.

McCain acted stupidly and tripped everyone up. He then made a stupid claim that he is responsible for the Republican turn out for the bill and was proud he turned so many out to vote for it.

Smart or Stupid, which would you prefer?

  • 24 votes
#1.13 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
MsHooterville

This is the kind of judgment and temperament we NEED in Washington in January to help us clean up this mess! ( ;

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
JoulesBeef

And what has Obama done? Played it safe and be non-comittal? Is that a leader?

Obama knew his presence would inject politics in something that will be desperately trying to remove politics fromt eh situation.. and yes that shows leadership.
mccain is reactionary.. he swings without looking or thinking first.. he is erattic and dangerous.
serioulsy has anyone seen so many flips in the course of one day?
I did it..it was me.. everyone thank me..
no it was all obams faul.. it was him.. he''s the one
now is not the time to fix blame..
with mccain it's like getting 3 totally different presidents all at once.

  • 19 votes
#1.15 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:59 AM EDT
Elore

And Obama is the death of us as a nation.

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
joy57111

THEY BOTH AT ONE TIME CLAIMED THEY WERE PUSHING FOR THIS BAIL OUT! Neither candidates are or will be successful in turning this country around. This is a case of too little too late. The time to do something is far past by several years. And If any of you want to point fingers like many in washington right now think about this, How many of you within the last 7-10 years have sold your homes? What was your original purchase price compared to your selling price? Were you greedy with a price that exceeded the 3% annual gain that should have been adhered to? Or was your gain the 30 to 70% gain that was being enjoyed by greedy people? This is what got the whole ball of wax rolling.

  • 2 votes
#1.17 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
politicalcenter

The AP once again proves it is in the tank for Obama. This is without a doubt the most lopsided view of the current situation than any presented so far. Certainly worthy of an article at this point.

That we now have an entire "news" organization that publishes around the world circulating propaganda for Obama shows how far he has taken this country. A sickness spread everywhere in front of anyone bothering to look and review instead of politically support such an organization.

  • 2 votes
#1.18 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
biggerthebetter

No, Elore, Bush was the death of us as a nation.

Thanks to all of those who voted for him TWICE.

  • 21 votes
#1.19 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
GrabanIdiot

The bailout is not the only dead end for McCain.

We saw it coming even before with the mortgage and housing crisis, followed by his fatal error of choosing the stupid Palin who is clueless on foreign policy and economics.

Who wants to trust the Republicans this time around ? No way.

  • 8 votes
#1.20 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
One Party

People need to stop hating Obama and give him credit for his judgment. What has Obama done? Acted with integrity, patience while at the same time voice his demands to get a deal done.

1. Not make himself look like someone who doesn't have a beat on the situation
2. Did not inject politics into this situation and create a distraction
3. Keeps abreast of what goes on by calling and receiving updates from Paulson directly.
4. He has not flip flopped like McCain did over the past several weeks. (McCain would have rushed to sign off on the economy being strong, he would have signed off on a rush judgment to not bail out AIG and he has made many rash decisions.)
5. Did not make an ass of himself in front of the entire country. (much like Bush does).

But you know what, you republicans are so stuck on your party and/or hating Obama that you won't admit to it. You won't call McCain for the sleaze he is. If McCain were the President now, who knows what bonehead decisions he would have made. He claims Obama is politicizing this but it's McCain that is constantly in the media flapping his lips and moving his forked tongue.

I can't believe Comsense, Elore believe Obama is the death of this Nation? No, Comsense and Elore and people like them are the death of this Nation.

If the Repubs had someone unlike McCain, who had sound judgment, integrity and did not keep swinging at air until his hit the homerun, maybe you would have an argument. But it's people like you two who will vote this sucker in and why?

well, we know its not based on McCain having better judgment, or integrity. It's not that McCain actually brought up a sound debate. I guess its only one not so obvious reason why you don't like Obama.

I wish I was a part of the McCain camp so I could quit and go were this country might have a chance.

  • 18 votes
#1.21 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
Concerned Citizen-444039

Biggerthebetter

EXACTLY

For those trying to lay this mess at Obama's doorstep is just pathetic. Its funny that a Senator republicans SWEAR that he has NO experience...he's suddenly responsible for this mess....Grow up and take resposibility for once...jeez.

The fact is, Bush and his administration were asleep at the wheel for the last 7 years And the people that he surrounded himself with are and have been inept at their jobs.

For the people that voted Bush in TWICE...The truth hurts don't it?

  • 9 votes
#1.22 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
SH-2000

Dead end? I like the dug himself a grave analogy better, it is far more accurate.

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
Jimster

And Obama is the death of us as a nation.

Wow, that is some fresh-cut paranoia right there.

The end of our nation? Over react much?

  • 8 votes
#1.24 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
Helen-472717

I'm a Democrat, but boooooooo Nancy Pelosi. What stupidity she showed. What was she trying to do????? I'm so disappointed in her. Just about as bad as Sarah Palin.

Give me an intelligent, reasoned female. I'm beginning to lose hope. Are our hormones guiding all our actions?

  • 1 vote
#1.25 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
roadlesstraveled

SKULL and BONES

Did anyone watch "Portrait of a President"? Did you notice that the McCain family has been involved in politics his whole life? Aren't these the same buddies that Bush has?

I invite everyone to come to Phoenix and look around....its ugly here! Its poverty and its the rich.....is it the future of America???

Obama is hope.

I will not blame the current parties running for office. This started eight years ago, with both Dems and Reps. Its not what party the represent, but how deep in those parties they are.

SKULL and BONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.26 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
SH-2000

Nancy Pelosi and the dems were able to deliver 60% of a vote, on a bill that was tweaked to the republicans liking. The house republicans voted against it, all because the speaker hurt their feelings by pointing out that republicans were in charge when things went to hell. Yes the truth sometimes hurts, but clearly the republicans are babies, and at the expense (once again) of this nation & this time screwing Mccain as well. That is on top of the damage Mccain & Palin did already to their own campaign. Yeah, looks like they are digging their way to 6ft under.

  • 7 votes
#1.27 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
demmywemmy

I invite everyone to come to Phoenix and look around....its ugly here! Its poverty and its the rich.....is it the future of America???

Absolutely.

  • 4 votes
#1.28 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
Helen-472717

Sh--

That doesn't seem to be quite the case. The Dems fought back efforts to contain Fannie and Freddie in the name of affordable housing for everyone. I don't think this is what Obama is aiming for, at least I hope not. He's had to work to get where he is, so I don't think he'll be for giveaways. I'm for giving everyone a chance, but not for cheating, either by the rich or the poor, which seems to be where we are now. Hell is where we are now.

  • 1 vote
#1.29 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
JohnRussell

It boggles the mind that you people want Barack Obama to be rewarded for his cowardice on this matter. McCain acted like a leader, even if his results cam up short. Obama acted like someone who wants to sneak in the back door.

    #1.30 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
    finalcut

    It boggles the mind

    yes it does - it boggles the mind that you people will defend your candidates NO MATTER WHAT

    McCain sucks
    Obama sucks

    If only all of you partisan hacks would admit you don't have a candidate who will really improve our country it would be amazing.

    McCain acted like a leader

    Unfortunately acting like a leader is not the same as BEING a leader. McCain can only act and react instead of being bold and proactive. He is a boring shill who lies non-stop and who offers this country nothing but his "maverick" title.

    From a cowboy to a maverick - aren't we lucky.

    • 3 votes
    #1.31 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
    desert voice

    It is too simplistic to say that Sen. McCain "has reached dead end." The problem is difficult and some kind of a bail-out is a must. Sen. McCain, instead of "reaching dead end," could well become the greatest winner if the bail-out is done rightly! My idea of doing bail-out rightly is dividing the 700 billion in three equal batches: homeowners, business and industry, and banks. The homeowners ought to get 75 percent of their batch, to help the people whose mortgages got into trouble. The second batch would help employ tens of thousands immediately, by massive job creation. And the rest would go to the banks, so that they can lower the monthly payments of the homeowners to a comfortable level, while easing the credit lines to business and industry! This way the bail-out will work for the Main Street and the Wall Street simultaneously, creating some 50,000 new jobs ... and taxpayers, overnight! Some smaller remaining portion ought to go to softening the credit crunch in other sectors. If Sen. McCain follows this prescription, he will probably be a winner.

      #1.32 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
      JohnRussell

      yes it does - it boggles the mind that you people will defend your candidates NO MATTER WHAT

      McCain sucks
      Obama sucks

      McCain is NOT my candidate. You're right, they both suck. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of certain people. Obama has DONE NOTHING to help the current crisis, but he is presumed to have gained advantage. Why? How? Are people really that stupid?

        #1.33 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
        Voter-in-LA

        Are people really that stupid?

        Obviously yes people are and people are swayed by anything they read in the press. The ability to decide for oneself is becoming a rare trait.

        • 1 vote
        #1.34 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
        Helen-472717

        I'm not sure that running here and there does any good. Obama tried to explain to his supporters that we need to put out the fire before working to fix the problem. We need to explain this over and over to people so the members of Congress will feel okay about voting for it. They're supposed to respond to the people and that's what they're trying to do. The convincing has to be done at the street level.

        • 2 votes
        #1.35 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
        JohnRussell

        I'm not sure that running here and there does any good. Obama tried to explain to his supporters that we need to put out the fire before working to fix the problem. We need to explain this over and over to people so the members of Congress will feel okay about voting for it. They're supposed to respond to the people and that's what they're trying to do. The convincing has to be done at the street level.

        Obama has no idea what to do. He is waiting for others to succeed or fail and then he will put his spin on it. That is not leadership.

        • 2 votes
        #1.36 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
        finalcut

        Its hard to really say what Obama is doing isn't it (unless you are in his inner circle)? What we know is he isn't grandstanding in regards to this particular situation. However, whether he is actively involved in the background is unknown.

        Whether he is waiting for others to succeed or not is your speculation. But really nothing more than that.

          #1.37 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
          not over it

          Obama does grandstand, he just does it better than McCain. It is all about posturing for Obama. "I'm monitoring the situation" and "don't want to bring presidential politics into this" is code for not having the guts to stand up firmly for the plan you think will be best for the country. Mccain and Obama have done what they have done for their own best political interests. McCain had do something to get some headlines and Obama had to stay out of it so he wouldn't get blamed if/when something goes wrong. Imagine if Obama had actually been involved in yesterday's mess. It would cost him politically like it cost McCain when it backfired on him.

            #1.38 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
            brenda-511670

            because he did not play "the maverick".

            • 1 vote
            #1.39 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
            finalcut

            so by not grandstanding Obama is grandstanding? Seriously? Wow. That's subtle of him.

            really to some Obama can do no wrong.

            To you Obama can do no right.

            I'd hate to live with those kind of blinders on.

            • 1 vote
            #1.40 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
            JohnRussell

            Why is McCain being blamed? These events are all about political spin. Both of them want to see what advantage they can gain from doing this or that, and still maintain cover if the scenario fails. Both these guys are inept once we reach this level of crisis. People are under this delusion that Obama has every contingency calculated and knows just what to do to soothe the situation and public fears. Bull crap ! He is paralyzed by fear of failure, because he HAS NO IDEA what to do about this crisis.

            • 1 vote
            #1.41 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
            Behind My Screen

            acting rashly is not leading. Conservatives seem to not understand that difference.

            • 1 vote
            #1.42 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
            roadlesstraveled

            So what is the debate...they are wrong if they do this, they are wrong if they do that. Pointing fingers is all this country does...when theres a failure then there has to be someone to blame...MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the majority of this country does not want this "Bailout" and for good reason.

            • 2 votes
            #1.43 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
            not over it

            Behind My Screen --- Doing nothing and hiding behind the pretense of "not wanting to play presidential politics" is not leading either. Neither McCain or Obama are leaders. It's all politics all the time.

              #1.44 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
              finalcut

              Why is McCain being blamed?

              Because he tried to make this his issue? Because he thrust himself into the middle of it and tried to take the glory if it worked - sorry but those are the breaks. If you try to take credit for the success you are going to be stuck with the blame for failure.

              • 1 vote
              #1.45 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
              finalcut

              Conservatives seem to not understand that difference.

              Conservatives is a pretty broad brush to paint with. do you mean social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, or some other group? You can't possibly be saying NO conservative understands the difference.

                #1.46 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
                cisco747

                No Elore.........
                .....the death of us as a nation will be narrow minded little twerps like you who are so afraid of having to make a little sacrifice for the common good that they perpetuate mclame's lies and innuendos.

                • 1 vote
                #1.47 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
                One Party

                JohnRussell,

                Mccain isn't being blamed for the crisis but acting like an ass during the crisis. McCain is trying every trick in the book and will continue to swing until he hits a home run or strike out.

                I don't want that kind of president. So Obama, Thinks before speaking, thinks before acting. What has he done. Well it's more like what has he not done: act like such an ass and show that he is too erratic to be president as McCain did.

                A true leader knows not taking action sometimes is the best call depending on the situation. McCain should have kept his mouth closed and stop being a distraction.

                • 2 votes
                #1.48 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
                romat

                I'll keep it short-this is utter crap journalism!

                • 1 vote
                #1.49 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
                Buckeye Voter

                I don't think Obama knows what to do about the financial situation. I don't think that any self-proclaimed financial expert knows, either. Nobody does, really. What Obama hasn't done is make a sea bag full of empty threats in response to this event like McCain has.

                Is it better to do nothing than to do harm? Why yes, yes it is.

                "Leadership" is not leading the band into a blind alley. Nor is it demonstrated by running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

                • 1 vote
                #1.50 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
                StellaCa

                Buckeye,

                Consider this plan? Maybe this has something to offer. Thanks.

                • 1 vote
                #1.51 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
                fairevelyn

                Palin, suspending the campaign, all those genius ideas seem to come back n bite him in the ass~

                • 1 vote
                #1.52 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
                rube r.

                Ask someone, anyone from Arizona what Mccain has done for the state?
                Youll get nothing but silence!

                Can we can afford another "off the cuff" "war president?"

                When asked during recent debate, "how would he fix the current economic crisis?" Mccain responded,
                "I will freeze all spending except the military, pentagon and the veterans!"

                There is intolerable irony here!
                Is our nation an imperialistic state, a fascist authoritarian rule?
                This sounds very similar to Hugo Chaves as something he would spew off!
                The words of a dictator- a war monger!

                Remember, these are the words of a man that recklessly advocated articles of war despite weak intelligence!
                His so called "Maverick fundamentalism" shoot from the hip policies, were in defiance of "other significant intelligence"- "there were no WMD in Iraq!"

                These are words from a man that would detract oversight and regulations from our nations financial culture for 26 years while it was driven into dust by elitists, plutocrats and greed driven non-American dregs!

                "Real change" starts with dumping the GOP ticket! Whats so conservative about Mccain and Palin- looks more extremist, dangerous and non intelligent to the majority of the nation!

                • 2 votes
                #1.53 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
                rube r.

                Someone on the thread states that "Senator Obama will be the death of our nation!"

                Well you bone-head it wont take much cause our nation is on life support as we speak!
                Who did this devious act? Who lied to all of us our families our children?

                No Obama is not the death of our nation, he is the birth of your paranoia- and the birth of my hope!

                • 3 votes
                #1.54 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
                StellaCa

                rubr r. , I understand your willingness to embrace someone who wants to be groundbreaking and who makes a difference, etc., but when I hear that so-and-so is "the birth of my hope," I find it deeply concerning.

                See, to hope that someone will do something that brings hope for the American people or the world is one thing. But to say any person, such Obama *is* the birth of one's hope, I see nothing but certain disappointment for a lot of people. Please consider thinking more about this?

                Meanwhile, please don't assume that Obama is "the birth of my paranoia." That alone smacks of stereotypical elitism. If indeed I'm paranoid, I would save it for something far more detrimental than flesh and bone.

                • 1 vote
                #1.55 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
                Rob_NC

                ohiogal-479871..I was with you until you laid this on Reagan.We/I/You could sit all day and point to filibusters,blocks,shady deals,bills that never got out of committee that brought on this melt down...smiple thing is was nothing more than damn greed...I can point to who got what but to what avail...both sides are dirty...damn dirty to be precise.No my friend it is not the time to kick each other it is time to white wash this mess and get moving forward.Wheter it`s John or Barack they must get to the bottom of the garbage pail next year and if wrong doing was done..remove those from office..incarcerate those banking/finacal officers that broke the law...whom ever that maybe.....

                ..but my nose is pointing to overseas as for the dire need for this bailout..for without foreign investment we grind to a stop....so this rush to do "SOMETHING" smells of warnings from foreign investors....cover these debts or else....only time will tell.!

                • 1 vote
                #1.56 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 7:37 AM EDT
                dcstone01

                Rob you make an excellent point, if this were just a national issue we wouldn't be under the gun to get this done so quickly. I too believe it is our international creditors that are putting their hands out and saying 'Pay up' now.

                • 1 vote
                #1.57 - Fri Oct 3, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
                Reply
                dcstone01

                Is this really the end?

                • 3 votes
                Reply#2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:35 AM EDT
                metonitoo

                dc- 'not exactly' - McCain could start-from-scratch, think instead of react and actually return to his youthful visions of where he wanted to take the country on those first days in the Senate.

                McCain could admit that we actually "Paid" (with tax-payer-treasure) the Suni Insurgents to fight with us and not side with the terrorists in Iraq, "Paid" Al Sadr to go back to Iran and thereby squash the ethnic cleansing by Sadr's Shia Brothers, thus, the only work done by the so-called surge, was to take credit as a victory he could use in a campaign speech.

                This one act, would be a re-start of raising the ears and eyes of we independents to at least ask, "Is the straight-talk-express back?" (McCain is lucky that Obama never mentions that the reason he thought the surge was bad - was because we were paying for friends which would keep us in Iraq forever.) McCain still has an opening here to back-track as if an epiphany occurred.

                Then, he could design a plan to restore American Middle (economically) -Class Families by attacking the problems in the true Foundation of Our Economy = New Product Manufacturing.

                Next, he could come up with a Public-Private Deal with his beloved Oil Companies that would knock the socks off the "Greens" and bring a few more Indys his way.

                There is more but i like to "write-short" ... so, no it does not have to be the end, it takes a lot of work and a really good mind, with less than 40 days left...

                • 4 votes
                #2.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:34 AM EDT
                Elore

                No the end is Obama losing the election.

                • 1 vote
                #2.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
                JoulesBeef

                actually mccain could abandon his tax plan publically and say something like
                "I'm not going to raise your taxes but we cant go on with the cuts in todays climate"
                and say
                "we are going to run up the debt and deficiet and I know that is not good. But as the economy turns worse millions of normally hard working americans are going to need some of the safety nets that are frequently abused. Because of this, I am not going to cut programs until we get out of this economic mess. I will leave a frame work in place for future president to attack high spending and our debt but now is not the time for that."

                " I know some of these things fly in the face of my republician principles, I hope many of you understand the need to set aside some of our beliefs at this time when we need unity more than ever"

                he could turn it arround..but who wants to be the president of the second great depression

                • 5 votes
                #2.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
                SH-2000

                Elore, based on what, because you say so? Take a look around, listen, see whats going on. The middle class is facing extinction and just like Mccain won't say Obama,s name he won't say middle class either. A slap in the face to millions of Americans, but the good news is we see right through him.

                • 4 votes
                #2.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
                demmywemmy

                Elore is trolling, trolling
                o'er the frothy sea
                in spite of which
                she thinks the rich
                vote democratically...

                • 3 votes
                #2.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
                Reply
                mporae

                You know what before we solve the financial problem please lets first knw the cause of it so that we treat the problem from the bottom line. And i would like to assure u that the expense in your country's defence was the biggest error u have ever got,
                Please come together and fight for your right next president that will rescue the nation i,e OBAMA

                • 8 votes
                #3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:51 AM EDT
                Freed

                No one alone can rescue our country, especially with the massive damage inflicted on the US by Bush/Cheney and the rest of the GOP, the work won't end in November, we have to come together to overcome the corruption of the last eight years.

                • 15 votes
                #3.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:31 AM EDT
                Rob_NC

                ..considering the atmosphere in the populace that`s not going to happen any time soon ..no matter which one wins the other side is not going to sit down and

                come together

                ...nope this is only going to get worse...much worse..ihho

                • 5 votes
                #3.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:43 AM EDT
                ComSen

                Please come together and fight for your right next president that will rescue the nation i,e OBAMA

                What has Obama done to help with this situation? Nice words and speeches? It looks to me as though he is standing on the sidelines, not committing to anything significant to avoid getting in trouble. Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

                • 1 vote
                #3.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:13 AM EDT
                Bluekilgoretrout

                Comsen:

                Obama attempted to stay out of the fray in order to avoid politicizing it as McCain surely has.

                On the sidelines, you say? We see that McCain's Chicken Little routine was so much more effective.

                When will you people admit that McCain lacks any real judgement and Palin is the greatest symbol of not only this, but his utter lack of faith in the intelligence of the electorate.

                McCain has been exposed. Deal with it.

                • 15 votes
                #3.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
                carol-309886

                And just where has MCCain led???
                He stopped his campaign (lie) to immediately fly to help (political ploy) hoping to at least postpone the debate. And when he was there, even his own party said he was hindering them. He supposedly tried to get them together and when he THOUGHT he had them, he precariously announced VICTORY (ploy) so he could take the credit!! And when they dumped (supposedly because of Ms. Pelosi's remark, oh, boo hoo), he would, of course, blame Obama because what else would he do???
                All he knows is the word VICTORY; and all he knows to do is ATTACK!!!
                HE'S A WAR MONGER!!! And a war monger that wouldn't have a clue as to what middle class people are all about or what they want and deserve in the from their country.
                He certainly hasn't led here!!!

                • 13 votes
                #3.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:26 AM EDT
                Isabella-37

                McCain just swooped back into Washington this morning to save the day again, as he is boasting this morning on various networks. I guess someone should of told him they took off for the Jewish holiday. Speaking of the Jewish holiday, why is our government taking off for this holiday?

                • 7 votes
                #3.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
                Behind My Screen

                Because they are respecting those of teh Jewish faith.

                • 3 votes
                #3.7 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
                JoulesBeef

                lol mccain said the same thing.. obama was on the sideline and then obama was to blame.. well which is it?? is he involved or just watching?
                LOL
                but anyways yes america can come together.. obama is going to keep many goprs in office and on his cabinate.
                he has shown with his google for government bill that he can reach out and form a bipartisan agreement with the most conservatvie of the conservatvies.
                and yeha that shows true leadership

                • 11 votes
                #3.8 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
                Bluekilgoretrout

                Isabella:

                You are aware that there are Jewish citizens of the U.S., right? For God's sake!

                • 4 votes
                #3.9 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
                Isabella-37

                Really? Then why aren't they closing down for the holidays of every other faith and nationality? What about those citizens? Why aren't they respecting their religious holidays? Why just the Jewish holiday? Oh, and before you accuse me of being anti-semitic, don't even try, that's not why I am asking. I am asking because it is not an American holiday.

                • 3 votes
                #3.10 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
                Bluekilgoretrout

                There is this place called Israel, and they are our strongest ally in the Middle-East.

                We show deference to Jews of this nation, by recognizing and celebrating their holidays as well.

                Just like in grade school when they used to teach tolerance and cultural diversity by discussing the significance of Passover and having everyone enjoy the Seder meal together.

                This brings unity and understanding among people of different backgrounds, and is fun to boot.

                • 4 votes
                #3.11 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
                Isabella-37

                Oh please, teach tolerance and cultural diversity by discussing Passover? What school does that? They aren't even allowed to say prayer anymore in public school. What school teaches tolerance of any culture? Maybe religious private schools, but certainly not public schools. If you want to talk about bringing unity and understanding of people of different backgrounds, it should apply to all, now just those of the Jewish faith. My parents taught me tolerance at home. Many aren't that lucky. Maybe if we really did teach tolerance when kids were young enough before intolerance set in, either at home or school, this world would be a better place.

                • 3 votes
                #3.12 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
                mommy monica

                If McCain did so much to help the situation, then all the news is wrong. If he had helped there would be a plan that passed that would solve this problem. But he supposedly got his Republicans to vote for the plan that he supports...but that didn't happen either. My question is where is John McCain? I ask because he said last week that he was suspending his campaign until this "crisis" was solved. But after he had his photo op at the White House he left, and didn't go back, in fact he phoned it in exactly what he accused Obama of. He didn't even suspend his campaign last week, that too was just a stunt. I love that before the vote he was bragging about what great things he did to get it passed, and as soon as it didn't he blames someone else. So where is he? Is he suspending his campaign and coming back to fix it? Or is this another example of him lying for political gain. The Republicans failed to do their part, and blaming Pelosi is cowardly and immature. Hopefully those up for re-election loose to Democrats. Is this what McCain is going to do to get Alaska barbie out of the debate? Maybe she can go to Washington and solve all the problems because she is so qualified to help.

                • 3 votes
                #3.13 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
                SH-2000

                So what if they took off today. they all look like they need some rest and with that rest should come some clarity tomorrow. Let's hope.

                • 2 votes
                #3.14 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
                Bluekilgoretrout

                Isabella:

                Who the hell said it should only apply to one group of people?

                If your parents taught you tolerance they should ban the textbook they used. You insinuate a seething racism into your posts. No offense, just observation.

                There comes a time when we as a society have to take responsibility, and not relegate every task to parents who continually fail to do what you ask.

                • 3 votes
                #3.15 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
                demmywemmy

                We should honor Ramadan as well.

                • 7 votes
                #3.16 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
                Bluekilgoretrout

                Sure, why not?

                I need extra vacation days (yes, I do have a job and am not on welfare), and am willing to do the research to understand them, if necessary.

                • 2 votes
                #3.17 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
                Isabella-37

                Where exactly is the racism? I do volunteer work with both Jewish and Palestinian children in the Jerusalem and Bethlehem, so don't accuse me of being anti-semitic. I'm trying to make a difference in that part of the world through teaching tolerance, trying to show them that there is a better way than hate. You're the one applying it to one group of people with the whole Passover Seder statement. I asked a simple question about why the Congress was taking the day off for this holiday during this crisis, since it's not an American holiday. Of course those of the Jewish faith should take the day off to celebrate. Did I not say in my post that schools should teach tolerance? As far as my parents, they didn't learn tolerance from any textbook. My mother was born in Germany, my father in Italy. They witnessed intolerance first hand during WWII under their murderous dictators.

                • 3 votes
                #3.18 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
                Isabella-37

                That was the point I was trying to make demmy before I got accused of being a anti-semitic. If we are going to honor one, we should honor them all.

                • 3 votes
                #3.19 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
                Bluekilgoretrout

                What is an American Holiday? Christmas???? New Years???????

                Easter???????

                I'm not calling you anti-semitic. It just seems an odd question, "Why are we honoring a Jewish holiday?"

                Most holidays have their origins in a time and place that existed before the US.

                I did detect racism in the post, if not accurate I apologize. Let's move on.

                • 1 vote
                #3.20 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
                roadlesstraveled

                Who cares....isnt this the problem....no respect for our neighbors, or our fellow bloggers. Does it hurt you if someones opinion is diff? Come on, this is not what we need. We need to put our 700million heads together and find a solution, not create a problem that doesn't need to exist....wait....are you all in congress????

                • 2 votes
                #3.21 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
                Bluekilgoretrout

                Yes, yes I am.

                • 1 vote
                #3.22 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
                EJCanavan

                He stayed out of the way by heading to the University and playing some basketball ! That's what he was doing yesterday anyway /shrug.
                "In this April 29, 2008 file photo, the University of North Carolina's Jack Wooten, right, pressures Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., during a basketball game in Chapel Hill, N.C.". He must be exhausted trying to save the country from a financial crisis.
                I bash both candidates equally btw !

                  #3.23 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
                  finalcut

                  April 29th? thats a bit old isn't it? Nor is it particularly relevant to the current discussion.

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.24 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
                  Reply
                  StellaCa

                  I think you buried the lede:
                  'Objective journalism perishes on eve of 2008 election'

                  What, no kicker?:
                  'Biased reporting contributes to tragic demise, courtesy of AP.'

                  • 3 votes
                  #4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:53 AM EDT
                  Chasing

                  It's an op-ed piece. You prefer lemonade without the lemons?

                  • 10 votes
                  #4.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:10 AM EDT
                  JustinPM

                  Stella, this isn't a bias, it's common sense. If you say something and the opposite of it is true, well what should they say.

                  Let's make it work with agreeable facts lead to a logical conclusion. Did John McCain say that he was suspending his campaign to make sure that this legislation will pass?

                  Did this legislation pass? Who is to blame for the this legislation not passing, the 95 Democrats that voted against it, or the 134 Republicans that voted against it? Why would Barack Obama, who has absolutely nothing to do with the process in the first place, have to shoulder the blame? When John McCain said that he believes that this decision should be bipartisan, he would have to know the implications of going to Washington. As a presidential candidate, you're a lightning rod for politics. What did he stand to gain from going to Washington for the vote instead of researching it from the road? Obama voted on this from on the road, what problem is that?

                  I just realized that this is a buttload of questions. All I'm saying is, this is objective journalism. A bias isn't necessarily inferred as anything that disagrees with a candidate.

                  • 14 votes
                  #4.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:17 AM EDT
                  StellaCa

                  All I'm saying is, this is objective journalism. A bias isn't necessarily inferred as anything that disagrees with a candidate.

                  Yup...and I've been answering questions of Newsvine all afternoon and night. If this were a paying gig, I'd be getting overtime.

                  It could have been Obama, not McCain. Either way, sure it's biased. If one is going to write an op-ed piece, then identify it as such. Don't pass it off to me as objective news reporting.

                    #4.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:34 AM EDT
                    JustinPM

                    Where is the bias? Refute the claims! He blamed it on Obama when the majority of Republicans, his political party, didn't vote in favor of it. If they'd had 2/3 of the vote, like the Democrats did, then it would've passed.

                    • 11 votes
                    #4.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:37 AM EDT
                    StellaCa

                    Both the Dems and Republicans voted against it. It didn't pass because enough of them felt it would be bad for our country's constituents to contribute its hard-earned income toward corporate welfare. For those who give credence to polls, America is in agreement with this. I give the majority of my fellow citizens credit, too, who are willing to not rush into judgment.

                    And yes, meanwhile the stocks are tumbling, including mine and maybe your 401(k) dollars and real estate values. I think those who refuse to push a bill through in fearful haste for the sake of feeling like they're doing something, but would rather make darn sure the right decisions are made - they're the more responsible and trust-worthy - legislators and fellow citizens alike.

                    The bias? I want to see a reporter tell the story without the innuendo and allow me to make my own conclusions based on facts alone, not slanted and self-indulgent reporting.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:10 AM EDT
                    JustinPM

                    I just don't see it that way. Agree to disagree. Content of the bill aside, I think it was a bad thing for McCain to allay any blame on Obama. That smelt of a cheap comment to me.

                    • 9 votes
                    #4.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:39 AM EDT
                    StellaCa

                    That's cool, agree to disagree.

                    I didn't at all appreciate McCain saying not to pay the blame game and implicate Obama in the same breath. Save it for the campaign trail where that's expected, you know? I would imagine that both candidates are sooo in the pre-election twilight zone, that after this is all over, it'll have been like one big, bad head trip of the "did-I-really-say-that?" variety.

                    I'm not completely happy with either of them, frankly, and I don't know of anyone who is. That is, anyone who is a reasonably-minded person. But imagine the concept - running for the highest office in the land. What a daunting task. How anyone can do it without losing their marbles is a feat in itself.

                    Add to that if media covered all the bad days and dumb comments we ever said. Who could stand up to the task and remain spotless?

                    Anyway, given the character assassinations of the candidates everywhere on the Vine, just some thoughts to the contrary.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.7 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:03 AM EDT
                    JustinPM

                    It's funny how nobody ever comes into this position clean. They always find something to muddy up everything. Never spotless, as you said, always more . . . spotted. Like on the level of a dalmatian spotted. The character assassination has been driving me bonkers lately, to the point where I'm thinking of going back to my lurking days and just reading what was on it. Anyway, thanks for the intellectually fuelled conversation as opposed to what goes for conversation elsewhere.

                    • 3 votes
                    #4.8 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:08 AM EDT
                    StellaCa

                    You're welcome, Justin. I appreciate your encouragement. That's sayng a lot, being I'm in a crummy mood after wayyy too many hours on Newsvine. I issued my own frustration earlier...er...last night, here, in #76.3.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.9 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:33 AM EDT
                    Elore

                    Kudos!!!!!!!!!!! What a great truth in a capsule.

                      #4.10 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
                      JoulesBeef

                      yeah many people voted against it but the dems brought to the table the number of yays that they promised and the gop did not. but see I doubt it ha crap to do with constuiants...
                      yeah voting no is easy and yeah they all got complaints.. but the point is dem leaders and gop leaqders worked out a plan.. that would ALLOW many people up for relection.. or just in political trouble to vote no.. while retaining enough "yay" votes to pass the bill.
                      (yeah we arent a democracy we are a republic for this specific reasoning.. in a true democracy you wont have taxes cause people wont vote for them.) and yeah they all wanted to gimic us..having the people that are safe in their positions vote yay(not matter how they felt) and lettign people who are not safe vote "no"
                      collusion byt he parties.. who'd thunk it but it's true

                      • 5 votes
                      #4.11 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:13 AM EDT
                      joy57111

                      THEY BOTH AT ONE TIME CLAIMED THEY WERE PUSHING FOR THIS BAIL OUT! Neither candidates are or will be successful in turning this country around. This is a case of too little too late. The time to do something is far past by several years. And If any of you want to point fingers like many in washington right now think about this, How many of you within the last 7-10 years have sold your homes? What was your original purchase price compared to your selling price? Were you greedy with a price that exceeded the 3% annual gain that should have been adhered to? Or was your gain the 30 to 70% gain that was being enjoyed by greedy people? This is what got the whole ball of wax rolling

                        #4.12 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
                        will-394012

                        Guess you didn't here about the first deal where 25% of the return of the money in the bail out would have went to ACORN. It's sad that it look like the we're spend money that hasn't even been re-coop yet. Net Little polosi injected president polticswhen all the blame was put on Bush. Where was she and the rest of congress when this was going on. Next the reason the Iraq war was so expensive was the pork attached to it so congress could have it's pet projects. And McCain didn't say he would vote for this bill until he saw the end result of it. This bill was written with no free market principles and I've seen how well the government works when it gets into private affairs. Everything the government has got there hands on, it has corrupted. Medicare, Fannie, Freddie, S&L. If the congress and the house are so concerned about doing the best for the country and we are suppose to pay more taxes then why don't the take a pay cut.

                        • 1 vote
                        #4.13 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
                        demmywemmy

                        Hi JustinPM,

                        past of smell= smelled

                        Just fyi

                        • 1 vote
                        #4.14 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
                        JustinPM

                        Oh, it was all about smelting Demmy. Not at all about smelling.

                        (That's what happens when I'm half delusional with fatigue. I make stupid word choices.)

                        Upon further investigation, I believe myself to be in the clear.

                          #4.15 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 2:05 AM EDT
                          Reply
                          Aisha-345662

                          McCain, You may rest in peace

                          • 10 votes
                          Reply#5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:20 AM EDT
                          Elore

                          Obama's candidature is the only thing that is going to rest in peace after November 08.

                            #5.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
                            JoulesBeef

                            yep elore.. you tend to stop campaigning when you become presidnet... well unless your bush

                            • 3 votes
                            #5.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
                            Concerned Citizen-444039

                            Alas...Poor John...I knew ye well...

                            • 2 votes
                            #5.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
                            Jimster

                            candidature

                            Wow. I lernt a new word today!

                            • 3 votes
                            #5.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
                            GrabanIdiot

                            Aisha.....

                            As doctors say, McCain is only a biopsy away from another cancer. Then Palin, who is having a crash course in foreign policy and international relations, takes over. Jesus !

                            • 3 votes
                            #5.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
                            Bluekilgoretrout

                            McCain may have died years ago and that is Bush in a McCain suit!

                            Got the guys at Industrial Light and Magic to do the meeting with Bush the other day.

                            Explains why Bush was a recording at the convention.

                            • 1 vote
                            #5.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            in debt to the company store

                            Why does the author, Steven R. Hurst, keep mentioning the stock market? I thought the bailout had to do with healthcare. Oh and jobs! It's all about the creation of jobs.

                            But seriously, I love the part where Hurst writes, "Obama had predicted trouble last week when he said the four-term Arizona senator was wrongly inserting red-hot presidential politics into a critical bailout plan even as the package was finding little support among voters."

                            • 11 votes
                            Reply#6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:30 AM EDT
                            StellaCa

                            But seriously, I love the part where Hurst writes, "Obama had predicted trouble last week when he said the four-term Arizona senator was wrongly inserting red-hot presidential politics into a critical bailout plan even as the package was finding little support among voters."

                            Yeah, in debt. That's real "cute."

                            One of my favorite lines in "Broadcast News" is when the glamorous talking head guy editorializes on-air:

                            Grunick: "The latest message seems to indicate that the Libyan pilot was acting on his own without authority from anyone else. (into camera directly) In other words, I think we're okay."

                            Ernie Merriman: (muttering to self) "Who cares what you think?"

                            A reply from the ethically-inclined journalist guy regarding the handsome, talking-head guy . . .

                            Aaron Altman: "What do you think the Devil is going to look like if he's around? Nobody is going to be taken in if he has a long, red, pointy tail. No. I'm semi-serious here. He will look attractive and he will be nice and helpful and he will get a job where he influences a great God-fearing nation and he will never do an evil thing... he will just bit by little bit lower standards where they are important. Just coax along flash over substance... Just a tiny bit. And he will talk about all of us really being salesmen. And he'll get all the great women."

                            One more exchange . . .

                            Jane: "Working up tears for a new piece cutaway. You totally crossed the line between…"
                            Tom: "It's hard not to cross it; they keep moving the little sucker, don't they?"

                            And indeed they do, in the hope that we will feast from its trough.

                              #6.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:02 AM EDT
                              Reply
                              wilder5121

                              I'll just let Sarah Palin explain the bailout to you all, in her own words:

                              Katie Couric: "Why isn't it better, Gov. Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?"

                              Gov. Sarah Palin: "That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the -- it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

                              THAT CLEAR TO EVERYONE NOW?

                              • 19 votes
                              Reply#7 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:50 AM EDT
                              cybok451

                              wilder5121 has got it right. Eight years of Republican "Reaganomic" so called trickle down economic policy comes home to roost, and all McCain and company can do is play Nero and fiddle while it all burns.

                              Where is the "country first" action to match the campaign slogan???

                              Thank God we can count on McCain's VP pick to calm us by making the McCain economic policy so clear to all of us.

                              Bush and Cheney for eight years and they want to convince us to vote for four years of the same via McCain and Palin??? They must be counting on the American voter being the only animal on Earth that can be skinned more then once!

                              • 10 votes
                              #7.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:15 AM EDT
                              ohiogal-479871

                              lmao! If they gave palin's explanation about the bailout to congress i'm sure it would have passed easily!

                              • 2 votes
                              #7.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:03 AM EDT
                              carol-309886

                              All I have to say is one thing.
                              GOD HELP US ALL IF THEY GET ELECTED BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY WILL BE RUN BY A WAR MONGER AND AN IDIOT!!
                              How on earth did she get to be governor of anything????

                              • 6 votes
                              #7.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:40 AM EDT
                              Concerned Citizen-444039

                              If she gets elected VP...she'll set women's rights back to the Sufferage.

                              • 2 votes
                              #7.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
                              mommy monica

                              They used almost her exact words on SNL.The writers love her because she does all the work for them.

                              • 3 votes
                              #7.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
                              Nessa-536528

                              Good grief! It's even scarier in print!

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
                              Keav

                              I hope after the election that, win or lose, sarah Palin gets her own Tv show. She's too friggin entertaining to let leave so easily.

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.7 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
                              GrabanIdiot

                              Palin´s interview with Couric -

                              looks like she got several issues from several pages of Wikipedia, but in the printing, it printed only one paragraph from each page.

                              I dont know what you would call this woman. DUMBEST ???

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.8 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
                              Reply
                              Rixar13

                              I wouldn't follow him and my Vietnam Veteran friends won't either, Prince John Hasn't got a clue.

                              • 8 votes
                              Reply#8 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:56 AM EDT
                              LasVegasRocks

                              Why is McCain still campaigning if he has suspended his campaign until a solution has been found?

                              Oh, that's right, he already claimed a victory in this matter, just like he's trying to claim a victory for the surge in Iraq. Even the military leader on the ground, Gen. Peterus, will not claim the surge in win (victory) or lose terms.

                              McCain Just doesn't get it.

                              • 14 votes
                              Reply#9 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:17 AM EDT
                              twosage

                              All part of McCain's plan to drive every American to drink. And when they drink, his wife makes money. House number 12, here they come.

                              • 11 votes
                              Reply#10 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:24 AM EDT
                              AlKhidr

                              Gambled is the right word. McCain is showing himself to be an impulsive gambler who is in over his head. Kind of like when he dumped one of his planes under water and couldn't figure out how to pop open the cockpit because he had never bothered to read the instructions like the other pilots. The Right Stuff he hasn't.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#11 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:29 AM EDT
                              Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

                              A man walks into Denny's Restaurant with a shotgun in one hand and pulling a buffalo on a leash with the other.
                              He sits down and says to the waiter, "Coffee please."
                              The waiter says, "Sure pal, coming right up." He gets the man a tall mug of coffee.
                              He drinks the coffee down in one gulp, turns and blasts the buffalo with the shotgun, causing parts of the animal to splatter everywhere, then just gets up, and walks out.
                              The next morning the man returns. He has his shotgun in one hand and another buffalo in the other. He walks up to the counter and says to the waiter, "Coffee please."
                              The waiter says, "Whoa, Buddy! We're still cleaning up your mess from yesterday. What was all that about, anyway?"
                              The man smiles and proudly says, "I'm training to be the next Republican President of the United States of America:
                              Come in, drink coffee, shoot the bull, leave a mess for others to clean up, and then disappear for rest of day.

                              • 19 votes
                              Reply#12 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:02 AM EDT
                              carol-309886

                              Don't know where you got that from or if you made it up; but it's just all too true!!
                              WAY TO GO!!!!!

                              • 5 votes
                              #12.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
                              Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

                              It was an old Management training joke that I remembered and adapted to this situation. I'm weird that way. Go ahead and use it as you see fit. I was going to throw in a line with the guy with the shotgun denying that he was even there the day before, or had ever said anything like that, then drinking his coffee and doing it all again, leaving, and finally coming back for the third day to delver the punch line... although it would have been more McCainistic it may have spoiled the timing of the joke.

                              • 4 votes
                              #12.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
                              Raat ki Raani

                              It was an old Management training joke

                              Surely you jest. I thought it was all true:-)

                              • 3 votes
                              #12.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
                              Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

                              There is always some truth in humor.

                              • 4 votes
                              #12.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
                              Rixar13

                              Thank you for that one Dan, I will write it down and give copies to my Veterans Group. Hope you don't mind if I use your version.....? I like it and will give you credit.

                              • 2 votes
                              #12.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
                              Reply
                              superjim

                              pelosi has done it again ,what a speech

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#13 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:02 AM EDT
                              janice-376027

                              You mean this TOTALLY Partisan and offensive speech? I thought there weren't any Republicans that actually voted for George W Bush???? I thought all of us who said he would leave this country in the toilet were 'traitors and American haters'.

                              So she rightfully 'trashed' Bush and his administration - so what. At least the Republicans (and Democrats) could 'man up' and simply say "I am up for election and it's 100 to 1 against this bill and I am not going to risk losing my seat in 35 days by voting for this bill". There, that wasn't so hard was it.

                              What leaders need to do is explain in detail - but then that would require Americans to pay attention for more than 2 minutes - what this rescue/bail out is.

                              Here's the entire speech that Cantor was so offended by:

                              "[W]hen was the last time someone asked you for $700bn? It is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies — policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything-goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision, and no discipline in the system."

                              "Madam Speaker, when was the last time someone asked you for $700 billion?

                              "It is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush Administration's failed economic policies—policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision, and no discipline in the system.

                              "Democrats believe in the free market, which can and does create jobs, wealth, and capital, but left to its own devices it has created chaos.

                              "That chaos is the dismal picture painted by Treasury Secretary Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke a week and a half ago in the Capitol. As they pointed out, we confront a crisis of historic magnitude that has the ability to do serious injury not simply to our economy, but to the American people: not just to Wall Street, but to everyday Americans on Main Street.

                              "It is our responsibility today, to help avert that catastrophic outcome.

                              "Let us be clear: This is a crisis caused on Wall Street. But it is a crisis that reaches to Main Street in every city and town of the United States.

                              "It is a crisis that freezes credit, causes families to lose their homes, cripples small businesses, and makes it harder to find jobs.

                              "It is a crisis that never had to happen. It is now the duty of every Member of this body to recognize that the failure to act responsibly, with full protections for the American taxpayer, would compound the damage already done to the financial security of millions of American families.

                              "Over the past several days, we have worked with our Republican colleagues to fashion an alternative to the original plan of the Bush Administration.

                              "I must recognize the outstanding leadership provided by Chairman Barney Frank, whose enormous intellectual and strategic abilities have never before been so urgently needed, or so widely admired.

                              "I also want to recognize Rahm Emanuel, who combined his deep knowledge of financial institutions with his pragmatic policy experience, to resolve key disagreements.

                              "Secretary Paulson deserves credit for working day and night to help reach an agreement and for his flexibility in negotiating changes to his original proposal.

                              "Democrats insisted that legislation responding to this crisis must protect the American people and Main Street from the meltdown on Wall Street.

                              "The American people did not decide to dangerously weaken our regulatory and oversight policies. They did not make unwise and risky financial deals. They did not jeopardize the economic security of the nation. And they must not pay the cost of this emergency recovery and stabilization bill.

                              "So we insisted that this bill contain several key provisions:

                              "This legislation must contain independent and ongoing oversight to ensure that the recovery program is managed with full transparency and strict accountability.

                              "The legislation must do everything possible to allow as many people to stay in their homes rather than face foreclosure.

                              "The corporate CEOs whose companies will benefit from the public's participation in this recovery must not benefit by exorbitant salaries and golden parachute retirement bonuses.

                              "Our message to Wall Street is this: the party is over. The era of golden parachutes for high-flying Wall Street operators is over. No longer will the U.S. taxpayer bailout the recklessness of Wall Street.

                              "The taxpayers who bear the risk in this recovery must share in the upside as the economy recovers.

                              "And should this program not pay for itself, the financial institutions that benefited, not the taxpayers, must bear responsibility for making up the difference.

                              "These were the Democratic demands to safeguard the American taxpayer, to help the economy recover, and to impose tough accountability as a central component of this recovery effort.

                              "This legislation is not the end of congressional activity on this crisis. Over the course of the next few weeks, we will continue to hold investigative and oversight hearings to find out how the crisis developed, where mistakes were made, and how the recovery must be managed to protect the middle class and the American taxpayer.

                              "With passage of this legislation today, we can begin the difficult job of turning our economy around, of helping those who depend on a growing economy and stable financial institutions for a secure retirement, for the education of their children, for jobs and small business credit.

                              "Today we must act for those Americans, for Main Street, and we must act now, with the bipartisan spirit of cooperation which allowed us to fashion this legislation.

                              "This not enough. We are also working to restore our nation's economic strength by passing a new economic recovery stimulus package—a robust, job creating bill—that will help Americans struggling with high prices, get our economy back on track, and renew the American Dream.

                              "Today, we will act to avert this crisis, but informed by our experience of the past eight years with the failed economic leadership that has left us left capable of meeting the challenges of the future.

                              "We choose a different path. In the new year, with a new Congress and a new president, we will break free with a failed past and take America in a New Direction to a better future

                              • 8 votes
                              #13.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:55 AM EDT
                              ohiogal-479871

                              Pelosi could have came out and said hi and people would have said she was partisan.

                              Anyone who thinks this speech was partisan, obviously never watched bills being proposed and passed on Cspan.

                              • 6 votes
                              #13.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
                              JoulesBeef

                              sorry it was partisan but it is hardly the excuse for the failure.
                              it would have been just as partisan for the gop to come out and say the same thing but replace "bush" with "clinton"

                              • 2 votes
                              #13.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
                              Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

                              Aaa gee! POOR Sensitive, selfless Republicans had their feelings Hurt when that mean 'ol Lady Nancy Pelosi picked on them and told the truth by saying this is all on Bush's head.
                              So they stamped their little footsies down shook their little balled up fisties in a little tantrum of childish rage and Voted NO to a bill that their Leaders [to use the term loosely] in the Republican Party, Bush, and McCain claim was to save the American people and the economy, no less.
                              Poor, poor little Republicans. No one thinks about their feelings anymore. Or was it it that they couldn't see the yes button for the tears of shame? Now of course they blame the Democrats, not the driver of the Bus(h).

                              • 4 votes
                              #13.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:31 AM EDT
                              Jimster

                              Awwww....Wapubwikuns widow feewings got hurt

                              *snif snif*

                              • 3 votes
                              #13.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
                              mommy monica

                              Another example of Republicans voting for politics instead of voting for the people. If she hurt their feelings by telling them thet ruth, then they are too sensitive to be in the positions they are in.

                              • 1 vote
                              #13.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
                              Buckeye Voter

                              Pelosi's speech sounded a lot like McCain's acceptance speech.

                                #13.7 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                superjim

                                pelosi has done it again, what a speech

                                  Reply#14 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:03 AM EDT
                                  Tappy McWidestance

                                  Are you proud of your Republican house members who little their hurt feelings prevent them from voting to save the American financial system? That is what Bonner said yesterday. (paraphrase) "We had the votes before Speaker Pelosi's speech."

                                  So they were ready to vote for the bailout until their feelings got hurt so they decided to punish the country. What is the average mental age of the Republican caucus, 12?

                                  After the deal was killed yesterday the market shed over $1 trillion in equity. In other words, by trying to "keep the cost down" the Republicans actually cost Americans more. Of course, world wide the cost has been multiplied many times today. Good job Republicans. You've shown your true stripes.

                                  • 10 votes
                                  #14.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:27 AM EDT
                                  StellaCa

                                  Tappy, (your name still cracks me up)

                                  Anyway, your snide comments aside. I'm thankful that BOTH Republicans and Democrats alike voted down the bill, which would have been like a Band-Aid on gangrene. The "hurt" feelings thing by Pelosi? That's a sound byte. The majority knew it was a bad idea. They didn't show their "true stripes," they displayed conscience and fortitude to properly represent what a similar majority of Americans have been saying about this bailout: "NO."

                                  Like every other average Joe with a 401(k), a mortgage, and a credit line, a few bucks in the bank, and bills to pay, I'm taking a hit, too, as we speak. But again, as it stands, I still believe it's a lousy, fear-fueled, corporate welfare bill that will more adversely affect generations to come if we pass it, than if we don't.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #14.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:43 AM EDT
                                  carol-309886

                                  I agree it would have been a band-aid.
                                  However, it wasn't just a sound byte when the Repubs use it as an excuse for not voting.
                                  The only reason they refused is not to save the American people; it is because most of them are up for reelection!!!!!!!!!!
                                  It's called politics!!!!!

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #14.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:58 AM EDT
                                  J-Ant

                                  It appears you're blind to the facts Not 1 of Arizona's votes were for the plan... not 1.

                                  If the Republicans could have delivered just 50% the plan would have passed. By the way, the plan is NOT A BAIL OUT OF FAT CAT WALL STREET. It's to alleviate the immediate squeeze on CREDIT.

                                  Check your history, not once has the tax paying public ever lost a dime whenever the government had to rescue bad debt... not once!

                                  Not supporting this plan puts more pressure on mid-America and small businesses... the very heart of our free enterprise system. By continuing to tighten credit, cash flow becomes a problem; retaining workers becomes a problem; funding growth becomes a problem.

                                  This plan was to loosen the tight squeeze on credit... nothing more. McCain should have stayed out of it and allow those closes to the inner workings get it done.

                                  That's my two-cents.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #14.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
                                  not over it

                                  Pelosi's partisan speech was just another example of the lack of leadership in this country. If the democrats thought this bill was as important as they say, Pelosi should have the political sense to shut her stupid mouth and get the bill passed. There would have been time to slam the republicans after the vote. Pelosi and the rest of congress are complete failures and an embarrassment to this country. Leadership is the number one skill any politician should have and there is none to be found in this country. Getting elected is their only motivation.

                                    #14.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
                                    Keav

                                    I agree with not over it:
                                    The time to blame people was AFTER the vote, not before it. In that regard, Pelosi did a major disservice to her post and to the people. There was no reason to go the name calling route. I know Repubs blame Dems for everything it seems like, but now is not the time to go sinking into the muck (that means McCain blaming Obama as well.) Now the Repubs were idiots for trying to blame Pelosi's insults for them not voting for it. Just say you were against it, and try not to be a little wuss by blaming big bad Nancy. I'm actually with the House Reps on this one, but the way they tried to make themselves look like vitcims actually made them look weak in my eyes.

                                    ARE THESE THE BEST OPTIONS WE HAVE FOR ELECTED LEADERSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY?!?!?!?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #14.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    jdunn

                                    Wow, Mc Cain actually blamed Obama for the failure of this bill to pass! These are the words of a desperate man. He will say anything to get elected. He feels it is owed to him. This is the guy who's gonna change Washington and Wall Street? Please. I bet he can't even change his own diaper. Mc Cain and his fellow Republican congressional leaders are the ones who failed to persuade enough Republicans to vote for the bill.

                                    Oh boy, he's gonna be on Morning Blow!

                                    • 6 votes
                                    Reply#15 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:10 AM EDT
                                    StellaCa

                                    Yeah, jdunn. The ageism was a nice touch on your comment. Real classy.

                                    Is that the hallmark of an Obama supporter, or are you voting for none of the above?

                                    The bill stinks. It's called corporate welfare.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #15.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:12 AM EDT
                                    Red Rat Rob

                                    he can't even change his own diaper

                                    I think they are called Depends when worn by the elderly.

                                    RRR

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #15.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:45 AM EDT
                                    ohiogal-479871

                                    Stella yeah I think the bill was horrible and shouldn't have passed.

                                    But guess who supported it, galloped into washington and suspended his campaign to save it and had his surrogates and himself claim victory on a bill they assumed was going to pass?

                                    I don't think it was Obama . . .

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #15.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:11 AM EDT
                                    JoulesBeef

                                    first he took credit for it.s passing..and complaiend obama was just watching .. doing nothing
                                    then he complains that obama sabotaged it all and mccain was just watching.
                                    and then he complains that now is not the time for blame.

                                    HUH?
                                    I am really not sure who is more confused.. mccain or palin,.
                                    mccain doesnt seem to know his stance on anything.
                                    the economy is great the economy is in trouble.. which is it mccain and do you even know?

                                    your running on experience and then on change and then back on experience?

                                    I swear the man is runnign three different campaigns
                                    I didn't know we were tryign to elect McSybil to office.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #15.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
                                    joy57111

                                    Go ahead and vote Obama into office, Lets see him get things passed through an inept congress. He says he is for main street, yet he keeps talking about things like raising the insured funds at banks to 250000 dollars. Whom is he protecting? He also wants tax cuts for people making 250000 dollars or less, What is with that magical number that he keeps bring it up? How many here make less than 100 thousand a year? What is your yearly tax? If we don't pay tax who will pick up the bill? All the rich guys are going out of business or hiding there cash as we speak.
                                    And one more thing, what's with the catch phrase " Main Street" We are the ( use to be) middle class. We are the back bone of America and we are the ones who suffer most when greed takes over.

                                      #15.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
                                      SH-2000

                                      Under 250k tax cut from Obama. Are you having trouble with math? Under 100k IS under 250k, tax cut for you too, from Obama.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #15.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
                                      jdunn

                                      StellaCa - Speaking of class, John Mc Cain has none. We all know he wouldn't even look at Obama during the debate. Mc Cain does not give respect, so he doesn't deserve any. Did you see the facial gestures he was making during his speech yesterday as he attacked Obama? He is clearly a racist, IMO.

                                      You're right in that I could have made my point without reiterating that he's too old to be president though. I did not mean to insult senior citizens, I just really dislike John Mc Cain. Sorry, no disrespect was intended to anyone but him. My apologies.

                                      Mc Cain is clearly taking every possible opportunity to attack Obama, no matter how far a stretch it is. First he blamed Obama for the financial crisis, then he blamed him for the failure to pass the bill. Then in the next sentence he'll say that we have to stop placing blame and playing partisan politics. The guy is all over the place! There is no continuity of thought, just one lowball statement after another.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #15.7 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
                                      StellaCa

                                      jdunn. Thanks for your comments and clarification.

                                      Yes, Sen. McCain should have looked at his opponent. However, the not-looking thing is is kind of an (no pun intended) "old-school" debate tactic, including not mentioning the opponent by name or rarely at all, which seems lost on a lot of folks. Even the younger Dan Quayle often kept his gaze straight ahead in the debate with the elder Lloyd Benson in 1988. So while it may be Mr. McCain's propensity to avoid looking at him anyway, it's not at all unheard of.

                                      As far as "taking every possible opportunity to attack Sen. Obama" is concerned, that's debatable. But Sen. Obama has been no angel either in this regard. He really hasn't. Check out his stump speeches sometime and contrast his statements with when he's in the same room with McCain. Big difference. There's often, though not always, a distinct difference in the "gentleman' factor. When Obama is amongst the working class, he's much more sarcastic, down-home, and cutting, which seems to resonate with the crowd.

                                      Obama is no dummy to the power of theatrics and atmosphere; he capitalizes on that and well. Amongst white-collar city slickers, he comes across more sophisticated and eloquent in his subject matter, delivery, vernacular, and mannerisms. With equal finesse, Mr. Obama knows how best to criticize his opponent in a way that resonates with his audience that is as pointed as it is eloquent.

                                      Sen. McCain, on the other hand, never learned the art or restraint of verbal judo. Though he is criticized for being born of a certain privilege and military upbringing, he is more common-man than one might imagine. In fact, he is a man of the trenches, both in the Senate and abroad, an environment that he seems to find most familiar. He's a neighborhood scrapper, not an orator. Even his dress shirts aren't white; they're mostly blue. They might as well be denim. Not the cocktail hour type unless he's hanging with old friends, McCain is really most at home in front of a BBQ pit in Sedona, not the linen-dressed banquets of Washington.

                                      Ever self-aware, Mr. Obama is at home most anywhere, or so I ought to believe. Outfitted in his trademark white shirt, he often discards the tie on the stump (civil rights style), rolls up his sleeves. He walks with a jacket slung over one shoulder, head down and hand-in-pocket, much like Robert Kennedy used to do. Add an expensive tie and jacket, and his countenance changes to reveal the worldwise Ivy Leaguer debater with a law degree, whose speech is as polished as stones on a shore.

                                      Yes, Mr. McCain has his hands full, all right.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #15.8 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:59 PM EDT
                                      Reply
                                      cisco747

                                      StellaCa....

                                      Johnny Mac is the one with no class. He wants to be president so badly that there is no depth to which he will not sink. He slams Obama for his (McLame's) screw ups and when that blows up in his face he is on the stump saying now is not the time to fix blame. Voters are not stupid and are beginning to see that Johnny Mac is really just all about himself....i.e. getting elected no matter what sort of spin he has to put on issues. Not a good quality for a president. And, why are his eyes always blinking so much? THAT is indicative of something..........something which isn't good.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#16 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:30 AM EDT
                                      StellaCa

                                      Who said I was defending McCain on this one? My personal opinion is that the bill itself stinks. My beef in this thread is that the reporting is biased. If it were Obama the author was ragging on, I would have called it the same way. It's called Yellow Journalism. Look it up.

                                      Why are his eyes blinking so much? Are you kidding me? If you're going to get petty, give both candidates equal time: "Why does Obama stutter so much? Is he jonesing for nicotine? THAT is indicative of something..." etc., and so forth. That's only a lot paranoid.

                                      Sheesh.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #16.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:10 AM EDT
                                      ohiogal-479871

                                      lol, why can't mccain look obama in the eye! I'm going to be extremely petty and say its cuz he is a lying contemptuous old man!

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #16.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:13 AM EDT
                                      Reply
                                      rachelc c.

                                      I hope that the state senators, who are voting against this bailout, have fully explained how critical this is to their respective constituents (since they are saying that this is what the folks back home want) ; and if so, do they fully understand it all? No one wants to pay for the greed and corruption of others but here we are, on the brink of collapse; what do we do? The market lost $1tr yesterday. I guess that won't affect those screaming for no bailout because they live in a bubble inside in a global world. Should we get to the point that we are in absolute and total ruin, I would love to see these same people call their respective senators up and ask if they could spare a dime; they'll see how quickly they get referred to the nearest government agency (oh wait, they'll refer them after they've made their political connections to get what they need first.)

                                      As for John McCain, he is a bitter, angry old man who thinks America owes him a shot at the presidency because he was a POW. He is truly letting the world see him for what he is, a hot- headed idiot with dreams that we ruin all of us if put in charge.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#17 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:45 AM EDT
                                      StellaCa

                                      As for John McCain, he is a bitter, angry old man who thinks America owes him a shot at the presidency because he was a POW. He is truly letting the world see him for what he is, a hot- headed idiot with dreams that we ruin all of us if put in charge

                                      Thanks for that insight. I'll alert the media.

                                        #17.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:44 AM EDT
                                        rachelc c.

                                        Please do!

                                          #17.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
                                          StellaCa

                                          Oh, wait. They've already been regurgitating that for months, albeit with craftier speech.

                                          Nevermind.

                                            #17.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
                                            Reply
                                            Pinkolives

                                            Quick draw McFlipFlop is making a McMESS of campaign McSHAME.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#18 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:47 AM EDT
                                            StellaCa

                                            Can I have more cheesiness on that McMess of lack of creativity?

                                              #18.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:12 AM EDT
                                              Reply
                                              superjim

                                              pelosi wanted the bill to fail so she could blame the republicans. what a ass

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#19 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:52 AM EDT
                                              renard

                                              the Republicans were all worried about getting reelected period. They were worried about their job's and not the best interest of the country, they know this vote represents a admission that the politics that they supported of tax cuts for the wealthy have led this country to the very edge of financial ruin.

                                              • 8 votes
                                              #19.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:01 AM EDT
                                              rk51979

                                              it's your f--king republicans that voted it down, superjim.

                                              • 5 votes
                                              #19.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:02 AM EDT
                                              rk51979

                                              superjim, since you're a GOP, learn to take responsibility for your OWN actions when something goes wrong, instead of blaming people. Dems 95, GOP 133. End of discussion.

                                              • 7 votes
                                              #19.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:07 AM EDT
                                              SH-2000

                                              Dems came in at 60%, clearly the speaker did her part.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #19.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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                                              rk51979Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                              So, what's the story John McCain????

                                              Aren't you going to suspend your campaign again?????

                                              You F--KING LIAR!!! I don't trust you ONE BIT.

                                              Just DOING WHATEVER, SAYING WHATEVER, and PICKING WHATEVER PIECE OF S--T PAGEANT BIMBO OUT THERE to win the election.

                                              F--K you McCain.

                                              Come on you F--KING GOP'S OUT THERE. RESPOND TO ME, YOU PIECES OF S--T. F--K you.

                                              it's bush's F--Ked up leadership over the past 8 years that's gotten us in this mess. you blame the Democrats who've controlled over the house over the recent past? what about the president? has the president been democratic over the past 8 years???

                                              95 Democrats and 133 Republicans voting no. Like McCain helped. BULLS--T. and don't give me that piece of s--t line "at least he went there". That was PURELY a political move. People told him to get the hell out of there once he got there.

                                              McCain is very erratic: I'm not going to the debate until they work out a plan; oh wait, they didn't, but i'm still going to go anyway. WHATEVER. LIAR.

                                              F--K off, you republicans. come on, respond to me!!! bring it on!!!

                                              • 4 votes
                                              Reply#20 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:03 AM EDT
                                              rk51979

                                              Come on, you GOP supporters. Come on, type here. It was YOUR party that defeated the bill. 95 NO DEMOCRATS, 133 NO REPUBLICANS. Don't give me the bulls--t "bipartisan" word. As if Obama messed it up??? Is that all you have???

                                              You'd rather blame Obama for this, rather than TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN PARTY THAT F--KED THIS UP??? THIS IS ALL OBAMA'S FAULT??? A BUNCH OF HORSES--T.

                                              What are you going to say next, as is if somehow obama bribed them to vote no???

                                              IT IS YOUR PARTY, GOP'S, THAT IS F--KING UP THIS COUNTRY. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, OWN UP TO IT. IT IS YOUR PRESIDENT, NOT A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              Reply#21 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:03 AM EDT
                                              IndependentVoter

                                              There should be no bailout. Period. Foaming at the mouth does not change history or the Congressional Record

                                              If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

                                              But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

                                              That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

                                              Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable.

                                              The CRA was passed into law by the U.S. Congress in 1977 as a result of national grassroots pressure for affordable housing, and despite considerable opposition from the mainstream banking community. Only one banker, Ron Grzywinski from ShoreBank in Chicago, testified in favor of the act.

                                              The CRA mandates that each banking institution be evaluated to determine if it has met the credit needs of its entire community. That record is taken into account when the federal government considers an institution's application for deposit facilities, including mergers and acquisitions.
                                              President Clinton's administration, the implementing regulations for the CRA were strengthened by focusing the financial regulators' attention on institutions' performance in helping to meet community credit needs. These changes were very controversial and as a result, the regulators agreed to revisit the rule after it had been fully implemented for five years.

                                              Part of the increase in home loans was due to increased efficiency and the genesis of lenders, like Countrywide, that do not mitigate loan risk with savings deposits as do traditional banks using the new subprime authorization. This is known as the secondary market for mortgage loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages.
                                              Racial inequities in mortgage acceptance rates (as reported by Inner City Press, the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, ACORN and other groups) are cited as a primary reason to maintain or even increase the scope of the CRA.

                                              Perhaps the greatest scandal of the mort gage crisis is that it is a direct result of an intentional loosening of underwriting standards - done in the name of ending discrimination, despite warnings that it could lead to wide-scale defaults. At the crisis' core are loans that were made with virtually nonexistent underwriting standards - no verification of income or assets; little consideration of the applicant's ability to make payments; no down payment.

                                              From the current hand-wringing, you'd think that the banks came up with the idea of looser underwriting standards on their own, with regulators just asleep on the job. In fact, it was the regulators who relaxed these standards - at the behest of community groups and "progressive" political forces.

                                              In the 1980s, groups such as the activists at ACORN began pushing charges of "redlining" - claims that banks discriminated against minorities in mortgage lending. In 1989, sympathetic members of Congress got the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act amended to force banks to collect racial data on mortgage applicants; this allowed various studies to be ginned up that seemed to validate the original accusation.

                                              In fact, minority mortgage applications were rejected more frequently than other applications - but the overwhelming reason wasn't racial discrimination, but simply that minorities tend to have weaker finances.

                                              A 1995 strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to find ways to provide mortgages to their poorer communities. It also let community activists intervene at yearly bank reviews, shaking the banks down for large pots of money.

                                              Banks that got poor reviews were punished; some saw their merger plans frustrated; others faced direct legal challenges by the Justice Department.

                                              Flexible lending programs expanded even though they had higher default rates than loans with traditional standards. On the Web, you can still find CRA loans available via ACORN with "100 percent financing . . . no credit scores . . . undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns." Credit counseling is required, of course.

                                              Thomas DiLorenzo, an economist who calls Ron Paul "the Jefferson of our time," wrote in September that the housing crisis is "the direct result of thirty years of government policy that has forced banks to make bad loans to un-creditworthy borrowers." The policy DiLorenzo decries is the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, which requires banks to lend throughout the communities they serve.

                                              You can not change the facts.

                                              American liberals believe not only in equality of opportunity, but equality of outcomes. The same crowd that now criticizes mortgage companies for having given loans to un-credit worthy borrowers once complained that those companies discriminated against the poor. Though they lament the easy lending environment, they helped create and sustain institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which used their implicit government backing to gain virtually limitless access to cheap money, allowing them to suck up mortgage debt with reckless abandon.

                                              The Fed went on one of the most aggressive interest rate cutting campaigns in history, creating an easy money environment that kept the economy afloat, but also helped replace the Internet bubble with a real estate bubble.

                                              Whatever arguments can be made for the necessity of the current bailout, let us not for a moment buy the idea that it addresses the root of the problem. By the time the negotiations end, those who acted irresponsibly and bought homes that they couldn't afford, banks that put short-term loan sales ahead of smart lending practices, and large finance companies that couldn't keep track of the cost of their own risk will be let off the hook, and those of us who acted responsibly will be stuck with the bill.

                                              The root of the problem is a culture in which Americans live beyond their means, in the moment, without taking any responsibility for their actions, and assume that American ingenuity will find a way to fix the problem somewhere down the road -- at somebody else's expense.

                                              • 6 votes
                                              #21.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:17 AM EDT
                                              StellaCa

                                              Now we're getting somewhere. What a concept. The untold story. Personal responsibility.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #21.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:25 AM EDT
                                              ezequesDeleted
                                              ohiogal-479871

                                              Here I disagree. People are forced to live beyond their means, when food, housing, health care, education and everything else goes up while your paycheck stays the same.

                                              They want to blame americans for wanting a decent life and not living in the slums?

                                              I honestly don't think most people would drive themselves into debt for big screens or luxury items. Most people are in debt trying to keep up with regular bills. And our government turned a blind eye to it. They scared you into thinking taxes were bad and that it was okay to privatize your health care and pension. Now look what's happened. We are in debt, our banks and businesses are in debt, and country is in debt.

                                              what you pay less in taxes they make up for it by quadrupling your cost of living with high premiums and not increasing one dime of your paycheck.

                                              It's time to see BS for what it is and create an economy that allows people to save instead of living under the thumbs of banks.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #21.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:26 AM EDT
                                              IndependentVoter

                                              When did it become the governments job to pay your bills?

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #21.5 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:29 AM EDT
                                              ohiogal-479871

                                              independent, you misunderstood what i was saying. It isn't the government's job to pay bills but to moniter and regulate and keep it from getting worse. The government job is to keep minimum wage in line with inflation and to moniter buisnesses to ensure that they are not inflating premiums and interest rates higher than people can afford.
                                              That will ensure that people can pay their bills on their OWN.

                                              But because the gov't didn't do their job the situation kept getting worse and now we find ourselves here. And to hear Suzie Orman say 'we won't get out of this until 2015' when this could have been prevented? It's more than a little scary.

                                              • 5 votes
                                              #21.6 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:53 AM EDT
                                              kelly-588274

                                              You think it's expensive now? Ahahah wait until you see the taxes if Obama gets in...just for medical treatment alone for all the illegals. You'd better start dusting off the resume, oh and get used to the foreclosed houses all around you. If Obama gets that 40% tax on house sale profits no one but no one is going to buy these homes in disrepair and try to fix them up in an unstable market....all so that they can lose almost 1/2 of their profit to tax's. On the bright side all those illegals with health care can move in. Maybe you could have them over for dinner?

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #21.7 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
                                              ohiogal-479871

                                              ugh more tax fear mongering! when we don't pay taxes we don't get anything! our roads are falling apart and people are dying due to lack of healthcare our education system pales in comparison to 3rd world nations! its disgraceful!

                                              we have to pay taxes but it should be proportional! eliminate loopholes for the wealthy and make the tax system fair. If people quit crying about taxes long enough they'd realize that their checks are going to mortgages, interest rates, healthcare premiums, high energy costs, education fees, and 401ks. Sure they'll fake you out and keep your taxes low and get you with a slide of hand by privatizing everything and making the other costs go up!

                                              Its simple math, id rather pay 40% in taxes and have all this stuff covered and be able to save the rest of my money like the Norwegians then spend 25% in taxes plus another 60% for the rest of the stuff i just named.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #21.8 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:15 AM EDT
                                              kelly-588274

                                              I'll agree to a certain point. However you also have to agree that when it came to this bailout many or our "representatives" didn't vote as the people wanted them to. Now you want to give them the power to make personal decissions for you? I think I'd have to pass. I'll agree prices are high right now, but no one was crying a couple years ago when they're 401k were fat and happy and prices were low. I'm just not big on that idea, or else I'd go live in Norway.

                                                #21.9 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:26 AM EDT
                                                joy57111

                                                Neither candidates are or will be successful in turning this country around. This is a case of too little too late. The time to do something is far past by several years. And If any of you want to point fingers like many in washington right now think about this, How many of you within the last 7-10 years have sold your homes? What was your original purchase price compared to your selling price? Were you greedy with a price that exceeded the 3% annual gain that should have been adhered to? Or was your gain the 30 to 70% gain that was being enjoyed by greedy people? This is what got the whole ball of wax rolling

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #21.10 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
                                                tyler

                                                F--K off, you republicans. come on, respond to me!!! bring it on!!!

                                                This...this is madness. No, wait, this is the internet, where stuff like this - commonly known as Internet Tough Guy -ing - is rampant.

                                                But wait. This...is Newsvine! [rawr.]

                                                So, never do this again, rk51979 , when you get back from your weeklong suspension . Never, ever walk into a post where you know there will be [insert political party] and then issue an obscenity-laced challenge to...I dunno? 'respond to you?'

                                                Note how everyone ignored you, reported you, and moved on, which was fantastic.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #21.11 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
                                                roadlesstraveled

                                                I am getting the message that everyone that is for this bailout, has been living beyond their means.

                                                This is what our government has taught us to do, and now, without fixing the root of this, they want EVERYONE, even those who don't own their own home, who don't have credit cards, loans...etc etc...to bail those who do out.

                                                I WILL NOT LIVE MY LIFE TO PAY YOUR OVERDUE DEBT. I am already wondering how I can get the gas money to get home from work today. I have no lunch...and if it means starving and riding the city bus, I will!!!! Its better than the nothing. Its principal.

                                                WHY IS THE GUY GETTING HIS PORSCHE CARRERA WASHED, BEING BAILED OUT BY THE GUY WASHING HIS CAR?

                                                WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD???

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #21.12 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
                                                Chasing

                                                Tyler, I know I'm going to be in the minority here (by far), but I find your handling of this to be unprofessional and tacky. If you're going to suspend the guy, just suspend him. Note it if you must. Everything beyond that just looks like a bouncer thinking his snark is meaningful because he's blocking your way at the door.

                                                And if you don't like obscenity, might I suggest you screen for it? I don't know which is worse - playing the part of being an Internet Tough Guy, or actually having the power to act out on it. Which is what I frankly think you did.

                                                But I'm sure that's just me.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #21.13 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
                                                StellaCa

                                                But I'm sure that's just me.

                                                Nope.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #21.14 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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                                                Cerus

                                                First the economy is bush-wacked for eight years. Then the bush-wackers whine to Congress that the problems which were created under their watch have to be fixed immediately or else the economy and the market will fail. So Congress rushes to negotiate a bi-partisan bill for the fix. Yet, during the negotiations the GOP leader "Maverick McCain", who has proclaimed himself to be the biggest free trader, swoops into the congressional negotiations, and pretends that his being there matters. After he has his photo-op, and leaves, the negotiations resume. Finally, a satisfactory bi-partisan bill is developed to theoretically fix the bush-wackers economic fiasco. Yet, before the bill can be voted upon and accepted by Congress, "Maverick McCain" touts his own intervention during one of his campaign speeches, and proclaims that he set aside his campaign to go to Washington for "the good of the country". Another former GOP presidential candidate, Mit Romney praises McCain for his leadership during the crisis. In addition "Maverick McCain" is praised by the GOP congressional "leaders" who claim that he was responsible for bringing in the GOP votes to pass the bill. BUT, THE BAILOUT HERO "MAVERICK McCAIN", AND THE OTHER SUPPOSED GOP "LEADERS", WERE NOT EVEN AWARE THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE MAJORITY OF THEIR OWN PARTY TO PASS THE BILL! The US has already experienced eight years of this type of pathetic, partisan GOP "leadership". Now, the GOP wants US to elect their alternative to bush-wacking by giving US a "dead end" candidate, who doesn't have a clue about how his own party's congressional caucus thinks, let alone how the public thinks. For "the good of the country", McCain should go away... far, far away. And he should take Palin with him.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#22 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:18 AM EDT
                                                IndependentVoter

                                                Then the bush-wackers whine to Congress that the problems which were created under their watch

                                                Quit trying to rewrite history...check the Congressional Record..

                                                But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

                                                That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

                                                Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #22.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:35 AM EDT
                                                carol-298145

                                                You couldnt be more factually wrong in your opinions. When McCain went up to DC, the bill at that time was filled (again) with special interest fat the democrats put in (money for ACORN-stupid stuff as usual). The bill got re-worked and McCain left. It got voted down by members of Congress who listened to their constituents. Being up for re-election makes their ears very sensitive to noise. Since 2003 McCain has been a voice calling for the smackdown on Fannie and Freddie, but no one wanted to listen. He and others with common sense and conviction still arent being listened to. This wasnt just a Bush thing, it is a GREED thing. And you know what? If Obama gets elected it's only going to get worse. Why? Because he is illiterate in the area of economics and relies on who for advice? People like Franklin Raines who he made his economic advisor. Raines headed up Frddie and walked away after ruining it and our economy with tens of millions of dollars safely tucked away in his bank account. Raines should be in prison for fraud-he KNEW Freddie and fannie were in trouble but still told investors that F.M. was secure and untouchable because they were special and didnt have the restrictions other financing institutions had. He and obama's other mentors believe in something for nothing and they have gotten rich off that. Obama is right there with them having benefitted in both money and real estate through the efforts of people like Raines and Reszko. Obama's answer is to cure capitalism with socialism-it wont work and the world will pay with a depression-just wait. remember this when you look back after voting for him and then see the disaster laid out before you.

                                                  #22.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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                                                  StellaCa

                                                  I don't blame Obama or McCain. But you gotta admit, "Call me if you need me" and "monitoring the situation" is quite the rhetoric of a bench-warmer, not one hired by the people with their tax dollars. But I digress...

                                                  It's still a lousy bill: Corporate welfare. Judging by the numbers today, it looks I'll take a massive hit on my 401(k) and the value of my home as I support any legislator, Democrat or Republican, who rejects this worthless draft as it stands. Besides, my soul is worth more than that.

                                                  Cerus? They didn't have the support of the Dems, either.

                                                  And rk51979?

                                                  Try the decaf. You're typing in all caps. Again. Wash your mouth out with [LAVA] while you're at it.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  Reply#23 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:19 AM EDT
                                                  ohiogal-479871

                                                  .... and what was McCain doing after the debate? Calling it in and monitering the situation. dag, if only those pictures never surfaced he could have pulled off his lie . . .

                                                  • 4 votes
                                                  #23.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:29 AM EDT
                                                  StellaCa

                                                  Come on, even in a Little League raffle, winners need be "present."

                                                    #23.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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                                                    Tappy McWidestance

                                                    I don't blame Obama or McCain. But you gotta admit, "Call me if you need me" and "monitoring the situation" is quite the rhetoric of a bench-warmer, not one hired by the people with their tax dollars. But I digress...

                                                    I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think House members like Senators parachuting in and telling them what to do. The same goes for the banking and commerce committee members who drafted the legislation.

                                                    Neither McCain nor Obama had any direct responsibility for the drafting of the legislation (they are not on the committees which is how things get done) nor are they whips (who are in charge of getting the votes). To blame Obama for not getting House Republicans to vote for the bill is bizarre to say the least. McCain isn't the reason the bill failed either, although his promise to suspend his campaign until the bill passes is yet another lie.

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    Reply#24 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:32 AM EDT
                                                    StellaCa

                                                    You're right on the suspension thing. But senators ct as checks and balances and they are advisors. And they are paid to represent us. At the very least, give a rip; get on a plane, and see what's up. To me, that's a constructive use of my tax dollars...not funding a corporate giveaway.

                                                    In all fairness, the Dems threw Obama under the bus when they trotted him out to represent them the other day instead of Reid, Frank, or Dodd, who hold committee positions. Pure politicizing. Ironically, McCain wisely showed restraint and got reamed for it in the press. That is, until last night. (He's pretty much damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.) So if you're going to bash McCain and all senators, be a sport and give 'em equal time, eh?
                                                    Thanks, mang!

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#25 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:53 AM EDT
                                                    mcarey

                                                    You mean the restraint that McCain used when he inserted himself into a situation that was moving relatively smoothly? That restraint? If he showed restraint the other day it was because he knew that he had "stepped back in it" Sorry, they don't all deserve equal time...some deserve more blame than others and McCain leads that group right now. His decision making of late has been really questionable.

                                                    • 5 votes
                                                    #25.1 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:12 AM EDT
                                                    carol-298145

                                                    There was nothing smooth about creating the bailout. The dems led the charge in the arena of politicising by inserting bizarre and partisan funding in the bill. The repubs had no choice but to call for some changes. Even then, the bill stunk. McCain did help-he shored up the republican base in order to make some needed changes and when things got underway, left. Obama has displayed no leadership in this crisis and McCain has put his nose to the grindstone. McCain to blame? How? he had been trying to find solutions to this mess three years ago, but everyone wanted something for nothing and greed made them turn from the truth. And you know what? Obama has picked for his economics advisor one of the worst offenders-Franklin Raines, the former head of Freddie mac. This guy can be blamed for a lot of this mess and should be in jail for fraud. When people want to accept the truth, knuckle down and do the right thing, they will see McCain already there doing the right thing.

                                                      #25.2 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
                                                      StellaCa

                                                      Smoothly? Um. No.

                                                      No one's "handled" anything with aplomb that I know of in Congress.

                                                      But if you feel McCain should take better decision making tips from Obama, that's cool. Maybe McCain can ask him where he obtained some of that Fannie and Freddie money. Word on the street is that there's been enough of that to go around to high-ranking Democrats, like Dodd, Obama, Reid . . . Sounds a tad questionable to me, but I guess most of the anchors are busy and such, covering McCain.

                                                        #25.3 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
                                                        mommy monica

                                                        John McCains top economic adviser Phil "we are a country of whiners" Gramm received money from Freddie Mac until last month. So there was plenty of money going around,you are tight.

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        #25.4 - Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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