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GOP, Democrats battle in Pa. over voter dress code

Sat Oct 4, 2008 4:42 AM EDT
politics, odd-news, voters, wear, sue-nace, what-voters
Martha Raffaele, Associated Press Writer
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<p>Sue Nace is photographed at her home in Red Lion, Pa., Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2008. What to wear on Election Day could become a serious question for Pennsylvania voters as a state court considers whether to ban campaign buttons, T-shirts and other apparel from polling places. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)</p>

Sue Nace is photographed at her home in Red Lion, Pa., Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2008. What to wear on Election Day could become a serious question for Pennsylvania voters as a state court considers whether to ban campaign buttons, T-shirts and other apparel from polling places. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

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HARRISBURG — Sue Nace thought election volunteers were joking when they told her she would have to remove her T-shirt to vote in the presidential primary last spring.

But it was no laughing matter to the poll workers-turned-fashion police, who said Nace's Obama shirt was inappropriate electioneering — and made her cover the writing before casting a ballot.

Now, a political fight over what voters can wear to the polls is headed to court in Pennsylvania — with the Republican Party favoring a dress code and Democrats opposed.

To the GOP, the lack of rules could open the door to all kinds of questionable displays — even, one Republican leader suggested, something as outlandish as a musical hat.

To the Democrats, voters should be free to express themselves. They fear a dress code could scare away some new voters.

The political showdown was triggered by a Pennsylvania Department of State memo advising counties last month that voters' attire doesn't matter as long as the "voter takes no additional action to attempt to influence other voters."

Because the memo is not legally binding, some counties have kept past restrictions on clothing and political buttons.

But two Pittsburgh-area elections officials sued to have the memo rescinded. Their lawsuit warned that if the memo stands, "nothing would prevent a partisan group from synchronizing a battalion of like-minded individuals ... to descend on a polling place, presenting a domineering, united front, certain to dissuade the average citizen who may privately hold different beliefs."

This fight over the interpretation of a state law designed to shield the polls from partisan electioneering could determine which presidential candidate's supporters might be turned away from the polls in this battleground state.

Democrats have benefited from a surge in voter registration this year, with young adults 18-24 making up the largest group of new registrants, according to statistics from March 30 to Sept. 8. A poll released Wednesday by Quinnipiac University showed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama pulling 15 percentage points ahead of Republican John McCain in the state.

State Democratic Party Chairman T.J. Rooney said GOP support for the dress code is a partisan effort to scare away new voters.

"To go (to the polls) and engage in an expression of democracy and then be accosted by the fashion police is a form of voter intimidation," he said.

The state Republican Party says Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell's administration crafted a partisan memo that would open the door to abuses.

"The first thing would be a button or a shirt, and maybe the next thing would be a musical hat," said GOP chairman Robert Gleason, who called a news conference in support of dress codes.

Douglas Hill, head of Pennsylvania's association of county commissioners, believes the state's 67 counties are now evenly split on the question. Before the memo, counties leaned toward banning politically polarizing clothing and buttons because "they didn't want to get into fine-line disputes," he said.

Nace, a 44-year-old Obama supporter, hopes the state's recommendation will stand so she can vote Nov. 4 while wearing her political leanings on her sleeve.

"Especially with this election, for some reason it feels very personal to me," she said. "Even when I see another car with a bumper sticker on it, it's like, 'Yeah, they get it.'"

During the April 22 primary, Nace was allowed into the voting booth in York County only after she rolled up her Obama T-shirt to hide the writing. After the state memo came out, York County rescinded its ban.

At least four states — Maine, Montana, Vermont and Kansas— explicitly prohibit wearing campaign buttons, stickers and badges inside polling places, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures and state officials.

In Kentucky, elections officials last month told poll workers they should admit voters decked out in campaign apparel, after e-mails circulated warning that Obama supporters would be turned away if they wore shirts and pins.

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One Party

I thought this was a free country?

  • 7 votes
#1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 5:18 AM EDT
Psimon

It is but I understand why.  It wouldn't make sense to tell political staffers that they can't hand out flyers in the voting area but you can wear a shirt or hat doing the same thing.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 5:25 AM EDT
fluffy.spectacular

There is actually a difference between "political staffers" and voters.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:14 AM EDT
Psimon

What I was talking about was other voters.  What if you were undecided standing in line getting ready to vote then you notice on the back of one of the voters a list of negetive statements against a candidate, that might shape your view.  

    #1.3 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:32 AM EDT
    fluffy.spectacular

    Oh, okay.  Still, though, I mean, nobody is forcing them to read the t-shirt.  Somebody is, however, forcing those who have an opinion they feel confident sharing to change or cover their clothes if they want to vote--which is a right, not only a privilege for those who dress the right way.  It might shape a view; that's not an illegal thing to do...is it?

    • 2 votes
    #1.4 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:40 AM EDT
    Mark in Worcester

    What if you were undecided standing in line getting ready to vote then you notice on the back of one of the voters a list of negetive statements against a candidate, that might shape your view. 

    Seriously? If who you plan to vote for can be swayed by the t-shirt of the person standing in front of you, then do everyone else a favor and don't register to vote.

    • 19 votes
    #1.5 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
    amdac

    This is a hysterical response by the GOP to the hundreds of thousands of new (mostly college students) voters that the Obama campaign has signed up. A lot of these people are very excited by this election and eager to vote. They are apt to wear their feelings on an article of clothing. My opinion is that anything that gets Americans out to vote is okay and should not be discouraged.

    • 8 votes
    #1.6 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
    Strath3303

    PA has had some of the largest gains in new voters in any state in the country.  This is taking into account our state's population too.  I think the registered voters were in the 7.something range before.  Since the beginning of the year we've added somewhere between 200-250,000 new voters, which is a notable slice of the electorate.  Almost all of the gains have been in the Democratic side, where by party registration we have a bare majority in the state. 

    Most of the new voters are Obama voters.

    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
    HotFrmPhx

    What if you were undecided standing in line getting ready to vote

    If one is still undecided before entering the voting booth, I would imagine the decision depends on a coin toss or whose candidate oriented t-shirt is seen first.

      #1.8 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
      Darkwood

      The GOP is traditionally uptight.

      • 1 vote
      #1.9 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
      Independent Ed

      This is all about control.  If you control who gets to vote, you control who wins the election.  And if you believe the republicans are not about control, you should review the last 8 years - at the minimum.

      • 8 votes
      #1.10 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
      Buckeye Voter

      Whether you can wear a political t-shirt or not is based on the law, and the law alone (which would have to explicitly describe what is political and what is not). From the article you can't wear political buttons, stickers or badges in Maine, Montana, Vermont and Kansas. That's it. T-shirts and musical hats are not banned anywhere. The state may not simply make up restrictions on the fly. Memos are not laws.

      • 5 votes
      #1.11 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
      misstocally

      Honestly, when are you people going to realize some things are wrong even though your party supports it. Yes, there is a difference between political staffers and voters, but when you have a group of people standing outside the polls wearing the other guys t-shirts and they are asked to "move on", what will your response be when they say, "Oh, we're just waiting to vote, we haven't made up our minds yet"? Are you going to police who is actually a staffer and a voter? "Show me your i.d."? I thought you Dems were against that.
      No shirts for anyone.
      Stop it all then no one will get mad.

        #1.12 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
        OKC, Dem

        I am more and more amazed each day at the lengths the GOP will go to discredit legally registered voters from participating or having their votes count in this election.

        If this is allowed to be the rule, what is next? Voters of modest means cannot vote unless they have a collar on their shirt. Or if their hair is not properly coiffed.

        Just let registered voters vote. Count their vote just like everyone else.

        I was disgusted when the GOP decided to challenge votes placed by voters whose homes had been foreclosed upon. Hey GOP lets just kick them when they are down, not only did they just get forcefully removed from their family home now we don't want to hear their voice in this election. Why? Because it is likely that those voters who have been victims of this administrations policies might vote for the Dems and we can't have that.

        Heck ...they probably brought more attention to the Obama T-shirt than simply letting her vote and leave quietly... don't ya know!

        • 5 votes
        #1.13 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
        OKC, Dem

        Misstocally,

        What is to stop them is the law. It's called loitering. It's not allowed. There are no political demonstration allowed at a polling place. No one is asking to let them demonstrate in front of the polling place. We are simply not supporting the GOP's position and practice of challenging or intimidating as many Democratic voters as possible to win an election.

        • 3 votes
        #1.14 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
        AKG

        What I was talking about was other voters.  What if you were undecided standing in line getting ready to vote then you notice on the back of one of the voters a list of negetive statements against a candidate, that might shape your view.

        Then you're an idiot. Anybody who has not made up his or her mind by the time they're in line to vote deserves to have their vote swayed. Give me a break.

        In the primary, I had a small Obama sticker on my shirt, and I had to take it off. What if someone had a tattoo? Would they have to cover it? These laws are absurd.

        • 2 votes
        #1.15 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
        christie-poole

        Although I am old, I learned in civics that NO ONE may compaign, in any form, within so many feet of a voting place.  I doubt they change the law now.

          #1.16 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
          MJB-337959

          Its called Electionering....

            #1.17 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
            The Original Mac

            This comment is going to be a graphic and aggressive so if you can't stomach it.  Don't read it

            These people, (volunteers), at the polls? Do you know how many times in every four years they are given any type of power. Once. Election day. People you may ware what ever you dam well please to the polls. Period. If I have got a hat saying Truman for president and someone tells me to take it off? Oh it's off all right. But only while I'm beating the living @!$%# out out of the guy. 

            Yes there are solicitation rules at the polls. The intention of these rules are so you can't "actively" campaign. Or attempt to persuade voters, coming in to polls, by interacting, calling out to, or threatening them.  These rules in no way are designed to stifle your freedom of speech in regards to self expression or showing support for your candidate. Showing support for a candidate by wearing a @!$%# which states "Vote for Nixon" only becomes a problem if your wearing it while walking around the poll telling people who to vote for. Even then it's not the shirt that's the problem. It's YOU. My point being, What if the shirt said "Vote Carter" but your telling everyone to vote for Ford.  Which is breaking the law? You orthe shirt? I'm sure there is someone reading this right now saying "Well,  both, right?  Wipe your chin moron. I also see this abuse of one day power as the source of another problem. Who is to say the people who told this lady to take off her Obama shirt were not supporters of another candidate. This could clearly be construed as voter iinterference and poll tampering. When I come to the polls I will be wearing my party pin as I have for all the time I have been a voter. If you are the poor bastard who tells me to take it off? I will knock your ass out. You are doing nothing but hampering me from voting.

            So go ahead, tell me to take off the shirt. And I will. YEA, to use it to help you stop the bleeding of that blood gushing head wound. What? you think the threats of violence are unnecessary? Well then your very lucky. Because it means never in your easy life have you trulyhad your rights and liberty put at risk. You try to mess with my rights and I will do just as the founding farthers of this nation did. I will fight. Not just some wimpy roll around either. I will put you in I.U.

            Someone better tell these volunteers whats up. If they start acting like little Nazi's? Someone is going to get killed. That's not a threat. Its a concern. I am speaking the way I am in this comment to make people realize there are those out there who will kill to protect their rights. Ask WWII Vet and they will agree with this last statement.

            • 2 votes
            #1.18 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
            Absolute Zero

            This is definitely against the First Amendment: Freedom of Speech.

            The Ninth Amendment also protects us:

            "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

            • 1 vote
            #1.19 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
            George-369262

            I can't get too excited about this issue.

              #1.20 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 1:25 AM EDT
              OregonDave

              It makes sense to not allow pins buttons etc. at the polling place nor to allow literature to be distributed nearby.  However to say it will influence voting is a bit silly. On the other hand I have observed some folks spitting on cars with McCain stickers. I have a McCain bumper sticker and have been given obscene gestures from other motorists for having it, of course its coincidence they happen to have obama decals on their car.  Overall its best not to wear the shirts etc. as some idiot will inevitably try to cause some form of chaos over it.

                #1.21 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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                fluffy.spectacular

                Oh, I get it.  Since the terrorists hate us for our freedoms, the Republicans are nobly trying to take them away from us.  Nice. Thanks for helping us out, guys!

                • 15 votes
                Reply#2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:16 AM EDT
                M. Remmers

                Our liberties are so precious to us that we're placing them in a secret, underground, vault where the terrorists can't find them.

                • 12 votes
                #2.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 7:58 AM EDT
                OregonDave

                MMMMMM    My liberties are precious to me as are my values. One of which is obeying the laws. Not going hmmm i dont like this law so i will cry snivel whine etc and not obey it

                  #2.2 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 2:52 AM EDT
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                  Maureen Mower

                  This is flatly ridiculous.   I would laugh if it wasn't so pathetically sad.

                  Do they really think that we are so easily swayed that just seeing someone wearing a t-shirt for the other candidate is going to either scare us away from the voting booth or force us to change our vote?   

                  Obviously, they do - and that says to me that these folks (Republicans especially) have absolutely no respect for the grit, intelligence, determination or courage of the average American.  They don't even trust their own supporters to stick to their decision. 

                  I wouldn't give a damn if everyone in the building was wearing a McCain shirt.  Heck, they could all be in McCain costumes and face masks, and play his speeches on the loudspeaker.   I would still vote for Obama - with great gusto!    I might even announce it just to spit in their eye. 

                  In other words, such displays would not intimidate me in the least, nor would it stop me from voting my conscience.   Anyone who thinks it would has underestimated me, and most Americans.  And that is all the more reason they will NOT get my vote.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#3 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:31 AM EDT
                  Psimon

                  People still believe chain e-mails.

                  • 3 votes
                  #3.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:33 AM EDT
                  Maureen Mower

                  Some do - but give them a year and they learn.  My godmother is like that.  She only just got a computer a few months ago (she's 60), so at first she was forwarding me all that stuff, until I told her that it was all fake.  

                  The point is, except for young people who are first time voters, most of us have been around the bend once or twice - so we aren't going to be as easily swayed by what someone's t-shirt says.   Even the first-time voter isn't that naive.  Unless they've been living in cave for the last 18 months or so, they've already heard all the slogans and propaganda from all sides.   Whoever they decide to vote for, I doubt they will be making that decision based on what someone at the polling place is wearing. 

                  • 4 votes
                  #3.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 8:01 AM EDT
                  HotFrmPhx

                  "... and that says to me that these folks (Republicans especially) have absolutely no respect for the grit, intelligence, determination or courage of the average American."

                  Aho!

                  • 3 votes
                  #3.3 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
                  Tappy McWidestance

                  This is flatly ridiculous.   I would laugh if it wasn't so pathetically sad. Do they really think that we are so easily swayed that just seeing someone wearing a t-shirt for the other candidate is going to either scare us away from the voting booth or force us to change our vote?   

                  Well, if you're a lemming yes. Or if you tend to shape your policies based on the last person who talked to you so your campaign tries to keep you away from the telephone, yes.

                  • 2 votes
                  #3.4 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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                  retired to florida

                  I understand and believe that "staffers" at the polls should not wear anything political, other than that little round sticker they hand out that says "I voted."  On the other hand, voters who don't work at the polls should be allowed the freedom to wear whatever they choose.  I've never heard of any dress code at any polling place in any state, before. 

                  Next, someone will suggest that only suit and ties for men, and dresses and skirts for women. 

                  Intimidation? Ridiculous...

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#4 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:32 AM EDT
                  Maureen Mower

                  I find the idea of imposing a dress code at all far more intimidating than anything someone might be wearing at the polling place. 

                  • 8 votes
                  #4.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 7:52 AM EDT
                  not over it

                  Campaigning near polling places is not allowed.  If you bend the rules here the next thing will be campaigners harassing people when they go vote.  That would far worse than not allowing someone to where a t-shirt right now.  People go crazy over the silliest things.  Follow the rules.  Quit making a mountain over a mole hill.  This is another non-issue that gets in the way of the real issues. 

                    #4.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
                    BJ-440416

                    California has the same law about campaigning and wearing their chosen canidates shirt, buttons or whatever so many feet from the polls.  Some counties like San Diego are going to order paper smocks in order to rectify the problem.

                      #4.3 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
                      The Original Mac

                      not over it, People ARE being harassed When they go vote. That's the whole point of the discussion. You wouldn't happen to be a volunteer at a voting poll would you? ZEEZS!!

                      • 1 vote
                      #4.4 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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                      Strath3303

                      There is a certain range that staffers and volunteers must keep away from the polls.  That is suffcient in and of itself.  This is an attempt by Republican dominated counties to try and intimidate some voters.  PA doesn't have early voting, unless you file absentee you have to go on election day. 

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#5 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 8:09 AM EDT
                      OregonDave

                      I call b******* on that statement.    As I stated in another post,  Ive been harrassed by democrats for wearing a Republican T-shirt.  Besides there are many rules laws etc that prohibit it. 

                        #5.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
                        Strath3303

                        Well, Dave if thats the case than thats night right.  However, many new voters are not aware of the rules and this may be one more way to confuse them or try to keep them from voting.  However, Dave, are you actually from Oregon?  Because if you are, there would be no way your statement could be true since the entire state votes by mail. 

                          #5.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
                          The Original Mac

                          Holy @!$%# people!! What are we saying? If it's a Democrat being harassed it a crime. But if it's a Republican being harassed it's OK? Voters, ANY voters, being harassed in any way at the polls is illegal PERIOD 

                          • 1 vote
                          #5.3 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 12:41 AM EDT
                          Strath3303

                          Sorry there was a typo in my previous statement.  I meant to say the following:

                          "If that's the case then that's not right."  I usually catch any kind of typing errors.

                            #5.4 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
                            OregonDave

                            Yes strath this state votes by mail. And yes I live in oregon.  However try having some turd spit on your car because you have a republican sticker, or have someone say unpleasant things beacuse you have a McCain hat on. Anything else you choose to doubt hmmm? Speak Up

                              #5.5 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 2:54 AM EDT
                              Strath3303

                              Dave,

                              Did I say for a moment that I was doubting your claims?  I was asking a question because, from your previous statements, I got the impression that you were harassed at the polls.  Now, as I said before, people giving you problems is not right.  I don't condone it from either side.  I'm sorry if I misunderstood your position on that.

                                #5.6 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:31 AM EDT
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                                M. Remmers

                                The state Republican Party says Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell's administration crafted a partisan memo that would open the door to abuses.

                                "The first thing would be a button or a shirt, and maybe the next thing would be a musical hat," said GOP chairman Robert Gleason...

                                Oh, Sweet Jesus, no! A musical hat!? Who could possibly resist that siren's song? It's, like, you go in wanting to vote for Obama/Biden based on the issues but then some guy's trucker hat starts playing Tobey Keith and the next thing you know you're pulling the lever for the McCain/Crazy Chick ticket. We must protect the public! The stupid, stupid, public...

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#6 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
                                DonnaJ

                                More of the same denial of reality/censorship mentality we've had for the last eight years. Why don't they just close their eyes real tight, stick their fingers in their ears and chant "REAL Americans vote McPalin." They would be practicing their right to free speech.
                                It still amazes me that this administration has effectively muzzled the media to the point that America isn't even allowed to see the harsh reality of flag-draped caskets coming back from their pointless war. Why, it might offend our sensibilities to see things like that. Seeing someone at the polls with a campaign slogan on a t-shirt might make us change our entire perspective and vote differently.
                                Since we've let them go that far, they'll confidently continue to censor reality any way they can, at the polls or anywhere else.
                                But only if we continue to let them. 

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#7 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
                                KyleN

                                I wouldn't be worried about musical hats, I'd be worried about bussed around blocks of voters that ask others in line why they aren't showing the proper party support. You could complain and the other 15 witnesses would swear they never said anything...yeah. We have an election with a machine candidate why not expect any of their old tricks?

                                Leave campaning and intimidation at the door, nobody has a right to try to accost their fellow Americans inside the voting booth.

                                  Reply#8 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:19 AM EDT
                                  JamesD17011

                                  Define "Additional Action":

                                  Would my "Alfred E. Bush" shirt be seen as such?
                                  Or a button that said "Will work for social change".

                                  Is the GOP in Pa, that scared?

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#9 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
                                  Maureen Mower

                                  Yes, they are.   And they should be!!    They will lose PA, and if they haven't figured that out yet, they will on Nov. 4. 

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #9.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:35 AM EDT
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                                  kcsdarwin

                                  Republicans are incredible in their audacity and hypocrisy.  How can they even drive cars with balls this big.  

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#10 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
                                  HotFrmPhx

                                  There's an after market product for dodge (ram) trucks, when attached to the rear axle, look like "balls" hanging. Perhaps the drivers are republican?

                                  (I had a comment deleted after a bad day at work. I hope this one doesn't get me banned.)

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #10.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:40 AM EDT
                                  OregonDave

                                  Talk about hypocrisy.  Democrats are pretty cheesey when it comes that point.  And mine fit quit comfortably in my GranPrix

                                    #10.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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                                    F-3

                                    I'm on the fence on this one. I understand how a legion of voters all wearing the same type of t shirt might be intimidating to somebody who intends to vote the other way. On the other hand, I'm a great believer in the 1st amendment. So where does one draw the line?

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#11 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:31 AM EDT
                                    Maureen Mower

                                    You stand up for the First Amendment and let the chips fall where they may.  

                                    Why should anyone be intimidated?  When you go into that voting booth - or up to the touch screen or whatever other device they come up with - the choice is yours.  No one is standing there with a knife in your back.

                                    Hell, if it's that scary, you could always lie and tell them you voted for their candidate.  It's not like they're going to know it's a lie.

                                    Or better yet, tell them to mind their own business. 

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #11.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
                                    F-3

                                    You stand up for the First Amendment and let the chips fall where they may.  

                                    Why should anyone be intimidated?  When you go into that voting booth - or up to the touch screen or whatever other device they come up with - the choice is yours.  No one is standing there with a knife in your back.

                                    That is the beauty of the secret ballot.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #11.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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                                    Norcal2

                                    Voting is always high emotion so I can understand why polling places may frown on wearing "colors" aka "flashing gang signs".  lol

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#12 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
                                    JuzWonderin

                                    So would I still be allowed to vote if I wore an "offending" T-shirt, and in order to comply, removed it to reveal a bare torso?

                                    I can't vote whle displaying my views, but I can vote while displaying my naked contempt?

                                    Don't want to encourage any particular behaviour, but might be an interesting election night if practiced at large.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#13 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
                                    Mystic Chick

                                    but might be an interesting election night if practiced at large.

                                    In some cases that would be REALLY gross.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #13.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
                                    JuzWonderin

                                    Yes, I'm afraid I'd be one accused of being "too white to vote"  eeewwww.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #13.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
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                                    IndependentVoter

                                    In some states this would be a direct violation of the law. No signs, no literature, nothing within 100 feet of the entrance to the polling place.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#14 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
                                    Mystic Chick

                                    Gosh, I didn't realize that the fashion police had moved over to politics.

                                    Are they still going to have enough "clothing coppers" available to arrest people for spandex violations?

                                    I'm worried.  The whole infrastructure is collapsing.  :-(

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#15 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
                                    OregonDave

                                    As long as the maximum weight limit for the spandex isnt exxceeded there should be no problems. If you think helicopter, go watch how they did it in "Soylent Green"

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #15.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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                                    Gloria W

                                    This ridiculous, but it doesn't surprise me.  I dearly love my home and native state, but Pennsylvania badly needs to come into the 21st century.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
                                    JuzWonderin

                                    Does PA law read like IndependentVoter describes? 

                                      #16.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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                                      NeoCon Ron

                                      To scare away voters? BS Senator Gooney. It's the law take your stupid shirts off we don't want to see your hateful shirts and your stupid anti american symbols.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#17 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
                                      Maureen Mower

                                      Oh, that's right, I forgot.    Anyone who doesn't think like Bush and the neo-cons is "anti-American".

                                      How silly of me to think that in a "free" country, we might be entitled to hold a different opinion without being labled as traitors to our nation.  

                                      Just remember, the tide is turning.  More and more Americans are waking up to the fact that the real traitors are already holding office in Washington.  

                                      Who do you think sold us down the river?  

                                      Who manipulated us into a war with a nation that NEVER attacked us and had nothing to do with 9/11? 

                                      Who destroyed our economy by spending trillions on that war and his other pet projects - like "faith-based initiatives" that were intended solely to benefit his evangelical base?

                                      Who orchestrated the current bailout, which does nothing but put more money into the pockets of his rich allies?

                                      Who lied to us over and over again?   Who failed to act when Hurricane Katrina devastated Louisiana and other Gulf states?   Who endorsed the firing of government officials that didn't click their heels and salute the party line or his personal agenda?  Who has raped our Constitution, spied on his own citiziens, and come closer than any terrorist or foreign nation since the Constitution was signed to destroying everything this country was supposed to stand for? 

                                      Bush, Cheney and the rest have had their day in the sun - and America got burned.   Now it's our time to do some house cleaning, and not stop until every corrupt, lying, cheating, spineless piece of garbage is out of our government.

                                      Then, we will say with one voice (as was once said about another infamous dictator and his policies) -  NEVER AGAIN!

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #17.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
                                      OregonDave

                                      Then again anyone who isnt a card carrying demo  is horrid racist nazi hatemonger. You folks and your liberal (socialist) rhetoric spew more hate and just cant accept that folks see differently then you do.  Time to take a break and say Oh Wow there are other opinions and points of view Of couse cleaning out all the garbage etc is going to leave a lot of your party unemployeed I think.

                                        #17.2 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
                                        JamesD17011

                                        OregonDave:
                                        Seems that the "Hatemongers" are squarely in McCains corner.

                                          #17.3 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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                                          Leon-39211

                                          In Mississippi you may not hand out political literature or cross a LINE 100 FEET FROM THE ENTRANCE TO A POLLING plaCE with any kind of political advertisement on clothing. Everyone here knows, understands and obeys this rule. No complaints.

                                            Reply#18 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
                                            Ross-285084

                                            Forget about what the voter is wearing. Why don't we just require the voters to pass a test based on the fundamentals of our American government.

                                            Such as the Constitution?

                                            Oh wait a minute..... never mind. That would disenfranchise too many palin supporters.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#19 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
                                            NeoCon Ron

                                            The leftest should have no vote and should not be aloud to vote.  Their ideologies are for a different country not this one.  We need to tax them more to live here because they do nothing for this country.  All they do is feed on our money and ask for more without trying to succeed.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #19.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
                                            Craig Duckett

                                            Neocon Ron --

                                            How come Bush has saddled this country with a $9,000,000,000,000 deficit, and now must borrow from the Chinese—again, for the umpteenth time—to pay for the $700 billion dollar Wall Street bail out! Who, tell me who!, is feeding on our money, and even money we don't have! What an ignoramus! Wake up, time to go back to school and finish your education!

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #19.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
                                            NeoCon Ron

                                            Craig who the hell said anything about Bush.  Because i'm a neocon you think I support Bush automatically? Wake up robot. This bailout is ridiculous and is another symptom of socialism

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #19.3 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
                                            Ross-285084

                                            Neocon ron,

                                            Curious, just what do you consider those ideologies to be?

                                            BTW.... for future reference, it’s "leftist", not leftest.

                                            If you’re going to disparage a group, at least show you have the intellectual capacity to do so.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #19.4 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
                                            NeoCon Ron

                                            Nice catch Ross that is what I get for typing too fast. Where do I start? You want bigger government,government payed healthcare, government to regulate banks, government to regulate what kind of car you buy, government ran education.  Why do you want the same morons who destroyed this country to now have power over everything you do? Can you not think for yourself?  This is BS and the government needs to be thrown down.  America is about the power to the people not Power to the Government.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #19.5 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
                                            Maureen Mower

                                            Removing the regulations on the banking industry is what got us into the current financial mess - just as removing regulations on industry cost us millions of jobs as companies moved their production overseas to increase profits.

                                            And no, I don't want " the same morons" running things.  I want CHANGE, starting at the top and all the way down to my local town council. 

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #19.6 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
                                            Independent Ed

                                            The leftest should have no vote and should not be aloud to vote.

                                            For starters, another spelling correction - it's allowed, not aloud.  This isn't a verbal argument, slow down and check your spelling.

                                            Interesting contradiction you offer.  The above quote in your first post and then

                                            America is about the power to the people not Power to the Government

                                            You speak of 'power to the people' but you want to disenfranchise half the population because they don't agree with you. Sounds like the only "power to the people" you're interested in, is for those "people" who think in lockstep with you.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #19.7 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
                                            Ross-285084

                                            neocon ron,
                                            To answer your questions.
                                            Government paid health care? Sure! Have you sat down and figured what the savings would be for companies that are currently paying for healthcare insurance for their workers? My company pays over $300 per month for my healthcare insurance that I have not used in the past 3 years. That is over 10k they have paid which takes away from their bottom line. Multiply that by millions of workers and see what numbers you come up with. If you bothered to do any investigation at all, you would realize that the major cost of insurance is not the treatment, but the red tape in processing claims. Standardizing the process would substantially cut the cost of healthcare and whatever taxes we as a nation paid would more than compensate for the tax increase. Insurance for all would create both a healthier and more productive workforce which would contribute to the tax base.
                                            Government regulating banks? Sure! The republicans have been touting that the accounting rules of "market value" has destroyed the economy and the financial markets. The market Value rule is that the financial institutions has to values their assets based on current market value. It's a simple principle. You own an asset that's value has decreased due to market conditions you can no longer value that asset at the rate in which you purchased it.
                                            Obviously a financial institution would not loan you money as a consumer on the full purchase price of an asset that has decreased in value. The government is just requiring the same standard for the banks when the declare their assets. The absent of such an accounting rule would qualify for what is commonly referred to as "cooking the books".
                                            Government regulation on autos? Sure! Regulations on safety standards and EPA. Are you going to rely on the auto makers to have the best interest of consumers at heart? They are trying to sell a product at the highest profit margin possible. I'm not sure how old you are nor how well educated on the auto industry but when they utilize actuarial accounting practices to determine loss value based on a manufacture defect for a recall or loss due to lawsuits based on the death of a consumer there is a problem.
                                            Government ran education ? That's where you and I my agree. Our educational system is broken. When you have some of the best qualified teachers entering the private sector because they have to pay off their school loans and the educational system doesn't provide the income to do so. Then yes, there is a problem. Not to say that every grad is fit to be a teacher but those that are, choosing another career path is problematic. Perhaps assisting with a tuition payment program for those that choose the career path could resolve some of those issues.
                                            As far as destroying the country. I see the uneducated electorate as the ones responsible for destroying our country by their vote. The issue voters would be the ones I blame and more specifically the religious right. They have been used by the republican party in the last 2 elections. Gay marriage, abortion rights , fear mongering etc.
                                            Look at the last election.
                                            Promise of a Constitutional amendment on gay marriage. Didn't happen did it?
                                            Constitutional amendment to ban abortion . Didn't happen did it?
                                            When was the last time you heard anything about a homeland defense code red, yellow or green?
                                            The religious right was used once again, just as they are now being used by the selection of palin and the VP nominee. You would think that they would get a clue. But I guess that's why they call them "sheep".
                                            So all that being stated ( sorry for being, let's say long winded). Let me state that based on your description of a leftist. I guess you can consider me one.
                                            So let me tell you a little about me. I'll be voting for Obama, even though by doing so my taxes will go up ( I fulfilled my fica obligation in April of this year you figure it out from there). If my tax increase helps someone not as fortunate as me, whether they be a Sr. citizen living on a fixed income or a single parent who is trying to raise a family on their own. I have no problem with that.
                                            You see unlike you, it's not all about me. It's about US! It's about we as a nation. It's about helping our brothers and sisters pull themselves up so that they can live what is called the "American dream". You may think that a person like me should pay more taxes because I don't think like you do. And you're right, I don't think like you do. I see the big picture.
                                            I hope one day you will as well.

                                            • 5 votes
                                            #19.8 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
                                            Maureen Mower

                                            Beautiful, Ross!!   I couldn't have said that any better myself. 

                                            You wouldn't happen to be a Humanist, would you?    ;-)

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #19.9 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
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                                            Rob-510663

                                            you have to be kidding me! with all the issues going on in this country what a person wears to the polls suddenly matters. another case of the broken two party system we have and lawyers trying to not only make a buck but gain the 15 minutes of fame. time to vote all "D" and "R" out of office so we can really have change. then we can work on the real issues we have like deficts and unfunded liabilities. time for the taxpayers to take the country back. wake up america were allowing the politicans to take our country away and make us france.

                                              Reply#20 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
                                              Absolute Zero

                                              Of corse it matters!!

                                              I AGREE!! No one should be harassed at the polls! I live in Texas and just learned that we have laws explicitly prohibiting the wearing of political buttons or clothing to the polls. Each state is different so you will need to check this out before you vote. I will follow the rules but I don't like them!! I'm not willing to go to jail for this, but at the same time, I'm not willing to let it go!! This is what's wrong with our government!! They think they can do what they want to us and we're just going to take it!! Well, not anymore!! If I have to take this to the Supreme Court, that's what I will do!!!!! This has to stop!! This is soooooo Unconstitutional!

                                              Every "Right" in the constitution is protected two ways. One being the "Right" given to us in the Articles or Amendments of the constitution and also the 9th Amendment.

                                              The 1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

                                              The 9th Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

                                              enumeration - 1. mention one by one. 2. formal establish the number of.

                                              construed - 1. interpret in a particular way.

                                              deny - 1. refuse to admit the truth or existence of. 2. refuse to give.

                                              disparage - 1. regard or represent as being of little worth.

                                              retained -1. keep in one's possession.

                                              What that means is our government can not make laws that take away the "Rights" given to us in the Constitution.
                                              It also states we are to VOTE for our President and Vice-President and I don't see that happening??

                                              The 12th Amendment - Choosing the President, Vice-President.
                                              The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

                                                #20.1 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 5:07 AM EDT
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                                                Craig Duckett

                                                Yep. More GOP rigamarole and scare tactics coming up with another way to rig an election by threating First Amendment rights, hoping that folks with values will reject taking off their shirts on principal and therefore not get the opportunity to vote. These dunderheads obviously doesn't know how to advance a balanced idea using critical thinking, practical reasoning, and rational inquiry. I, for one, am sick of them! They're nothing but a bunch of puritanical chicken littles that deserve to be booted waaaaay out to the curb!

                                                  Reply#21 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
                                                  OregonDave

                                                  Sounds suspiciously like radical liberal idealogue designed to create furor and draw away from the issues at the last minute.  The Dumocrat idea is let the dems create bigger government with more rules and power, so we can help the peolpe.  Isnt curbs dems need to be kicked to, but the dumpster

                                                    #21.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
                                                    JamesD17011

                                                    OregonDave:

                                                    Seems like that would be a better GOP strategy? 

                                                    Be consistent with their idea to confuse the people and let CEO's, Fundamentalist Preachers and Neo-Imperilaists take over.

                                                    And it almost worked. . .

                                                      #21.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
                                                      OregonDave

                                                      Actually the republicans believe in less govt and more effort from us common folk btw what is a neoimperealist is that a democratic in drag?   And yes the republican plan will bring great things to this nation.

                                                        #21.3 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 3:07 AM EDT
                                                        Strath3303

                                                        Dave,

                                                        If the Republicans believe in less government, why did they vote for the Patriot Act?  Why did they vote for warrentless wiretapping?  Why did they actively create and vote for in effect the biggest nationalization of debt in our history? 

                                                        And that's just the stuff where Bush isn't the only one responsible!

                                                        The Republican Party, (Ron Paul aside), really no longer seems to stand for its principles of limited government.

                                                        I would like to ask, what kind of great things will the Republican plan bring that it already hasn't in the last 8 years?

                                                          #21.4 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:34 AM EDT
                                                          JamesD17011

                                                          Strath:

                                                          You think AM-Radio and it's cable affiliate are going to mention any of that?

                                                            #21.5 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
                                                            Strath3303

                                                            Pretty much not.  Bush has been written off.  They try to disown the man, but keep the policies like nobody's business. 

                                                              #21.6 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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                                                              Absolute Zero

                                                              This has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!!!! This goes beyond having no common sense!

                                                              Maybe we should ban all political debates too, because someone could have their vote swayed????

                                                                Reply#22 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
                                                                skribe

                                                                What ever happened to the Republican party of LESS government intervention?

                                                                Is that not what conservative is really supposed to mean?

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                Reply#23 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
                                                                NeoCon Ron

                                                                Skribe yes that is what the Republicans are suppose to believe, but today they do not and it's pathetic to go against everything America stands for.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #23.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
                                                                Craig Duckett

                                                                skribe --

                                                                If you look at history, while the Republicans have allows said they're the party of less government intervention, it's been proven time and again to be quite the opposite. 

                                                                Relying on the stupidity of their constituents, the Republicans think that all they have to do is "say" things and the American people will automatically think its true, as if words themselves are somehow "magical" and "mystically" circumvent what's really going on in the natural world (the same tactics used by organized religions). 

                                                                A $9 trillion dollar deficit doesn't "just happen" unless there has been a whooooole lot of government intervention going on.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #23.2 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
                                                                OregonDave

                                                                Craig say something without the other person being stupid and they may acually listen to you before dismissing it as more liberal babble

                                                                  #23.3 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 3:09 AM EDT
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                                                                  Winston.

                                                                  This article has nothing to do with political parties, and everything to do with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. To me the freedom of expression and speech is being compromised. Whatever advertisements you wear should be your prerogative. If something this simple is able to deter, persuade, dissuade or turn away a voter, then that’s their fault, I say man up! If a person chooses to advertise their support, then they're well within their rights to do so. Any attempt to muzzle any voters expression for a candidate is another violation of our constitutional rights This is something that appears to have become more and more a norm for the American citizen

                                                                    Reply#24 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
                                                                    Crusher.

                                                                    Now is the time to set up voting rules for the entire country.  The varying laws from state to state, different methods of voting, dress code, provisional ballots, voter caging, intimidation, etc.  I'm tired of it and I want some uniform laws that are acceptable everywhere.  The more we fight about this petty crap, the more people distrust the voting system.  It is ridiculous that either party should have to send lawyers to polling places just to make sure laws are followed and votes are not challenged.  I live in Ohio and I've already voted.  I was given the option of voting by paper ballot or Diebold machine.  Because of the controversy in the last election with the Diebold machines, I insisted on voting with a paper ballot.  Whatever the end result of the Diebold scandal makes no difference to me, my trust in their accuracy is gone.  Unfortunately, it took me longer to vote than most people and I was annoyed by it.  Though I must say, I felt better about my choice when I saw others of my generation (32) voting on paper ballots too. 

                                                                      Reply#25 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
                                                                      Absolute Zero

                                                                      Crusher,

                                                                      Have you ever read the 9th Amendment? It reads.

                                                                      "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

                                                                      Do you know what this means??

                                                                        #25.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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