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McCain losing ground with working-class whites

Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:03 AM EDT
politics, voters, class, working-class-voters
Kimberly Hefling, AP Education Writer
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<p>Georgia Lutz, right, sits with  Darryl Hendon on the stoop outside their home in Beaver Falls, Pa. Thursday, Oct. 9, 2008. Lutz said she's voting for Obama, as did  Hendon, 50, both Democrats. Hendon said he thinks some white Democrats in the region are reluctant to back Obama simply because of his race. (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)</p>

Georgia Lutz, right, sits with Darryl Hendon on the stoop outside their home in Beaver Falls, Pa. Thursday, Oct. 9, 2008. Lutz said she's voting for Obama, as did Hendon, 50, both Democrats. Hendon said he thinks some white Democrats in the region are reluctant to back Obama simply because of his race. (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)

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KITTANNING — The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation's economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders of those once-prosperous times.

But the voters in working-class enclaves such as this still are a sought-after prize in presidential politics, and many are belatedly backing Democratic nominee Barack Obama.

In the Democratic primaries, working-class whites consistently supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Later polls showed them overwhelmingly favoring Republican nominee John McCain.

Now, driven by fears that their personal finances could further deteriorate, many see Obama as the better choice — their thinking in some cases driven more by concern about how McCain would handle the economy than any growing admiration for his rival.

"I don't know that there's anything I particularly like about him (Obama), but I dislike McCain, and I dislike the way the country is, and Republicans need to change," said lifelong Republican Ruth Ann Michel, 64, a retiree shopping in a market in Butler on a recent day. She said her vote for Obama would be her first for a Democratic presidential candidate.

While talk in these parts is mostly about the economy, a prominent — if not unspoken subtext — is race. A study of the impact of racial attitudes on the election conducted by The Associated Press with Yahoo News and Stanford University found that whites without a college education were much more likely to hold negative views of blacks than those with a college education.

Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell says a drowning man doesn't care what color the person is who throws him a life preserver.

"This election is going to be decided when a husband and wife sit at a kitchen table, or a single parent sits at the kitchen table, looks at their bills and figures out who is most likely to help them with their financial condition," Rendell said. "If the answer's Barack Obama, nobody's going to care whether he's black, green, orange, purple, fuchsia or whatever."

In April, Rendell backed Clinton in the primary and had to answer questions after saying some whites in his state were likely to vote against Obama because of his race.

Darryl Hendon, 50, of Beaver Falls, who is black and on disability, said he thinks some white Democrats are reluctant to back Obama because of his race.

Since early September, growing numbers of whites who have not finished college have been expressing the view that Obama cares about people like them, even as fewer say so about McCain, according to AP-GfK polling.

In early September, McCain had a 26-point advantage among white voters without a college degree who were likely to vote, according to the poll. But by late September, the advantage had dropped to 7 points, with McCain leading 46 percent to 39 percent among this group.

For Obama, that's far better than Democrats have done in recent presidential elections. President Bush carried whites who haven't finished college by 23 points in 2004 and by 17 points in 2000.

In Pennsylvania, a recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Obama with a double-digit lead over McCain, compared with a close race after the political conventions. Clay Richards, a Quinnipiac pollster, said that's because support among working-class voters in the state is growing, and he suspects many former Clinton supporters are moving to Obama's camp.

The candidates' campaign schedules make clear the importance they attach to Pennsylvania's working-class voters.

McCain and running mate Sarah Palin staged a rally Wednesday in the former steel town of Bethlehem in northeast Pennsylvania. On Friday, Palin was stopping in Pittsburgh, then heading for Johnstown in western Pennsylvania, where unemployment recently topped 7 percent. The self-described hockey mom planned to drop the ceremonial first puck when the Philadelphia Flyers open their season against the New York Rangers on Saturday.

Obama, for his part, will be in Philadelphia on Saturday. And on Sunday, his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, will be joined in his blue-collar hometown of Scranton by Clinton and her husband, former President Clinton.

In western Pennsylvania, Republican and Democratic voters alike tend to be socially conservative, pro-gun and anti-abortion rights. Many are so-called Reagan Democrats willing to vote for a Republican because of social issues.

While some pockets in this region have recovered and flourished after hard times in the 1980s, many never did. Populations have dwindled and many of those left are elderly.

"The ones who can get a good education ... they leave, which I don't blame them because there's nothing here, really," said Georgia Lutz, 55, who was eating breakfast at a diner in Beaver Falls recently with Hendon. "The economy is absolutely horrible and we're going into a depression right now."

The working-class vote is particularly important in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio, where the percentage of adults without a college degree ranks exceeds the national average.

They also are a key voting bloc because those personally affected by the current economic woes appear to be among the more persuadable voters, according to a recent AP-Yahoo News poll. Among them is Michelle Smith, 41, who works retail during the day at a surplus shop in Kittanning and tends bar at night. Combined, she and her husband have six kids.

"Decent working families can't survive. It's very sad," Smith said. "They raised minimum wage, but now you're paying triple in gas to get to work. It evens itself out."

A Democrat, Smith said she's leaning toward McCain. While she said she likes Obama on a personal level, she wonders if Obama has what it takes to fix the economy.

Obama's already won over Don Melochick, 58, a construction worker from Whitehall, Pa., in northeast Pennsylvania. A registered Democrat who's voted Republican in the past, Melochick said he plans to vote for Obama because he's "somewhat better" than McCain.

If McCain "hasn't changed nothing in his 30 years ... he's not going to change anything now," Melochick said, from the counter of a diner outside Philadelphia. But he adds: "I don't think Obama will either."

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SUNNY SIDE

[[Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell says a drowning man doesn't care what color the person is who throws him a life preserver.]] and I would add per the incident in NY, -- or what color the person is that hops on the subway track to shelter you as the train flies overhead.

I'm glad working class whites are seeing the reality of not being fooled by stereotypes.  Heroes come in all colors.  Obama and Biden's message is genuine and they are working for the middle class.  A class of people McCain doesn't mention for all his "concern".  He can't address the working class properly because he can't identify with this class.  I don't think it's because he doesn't want to, but because he is so disconnected.  This is what started him on his erratic path to begin with.  No, the fundamentals of the economy weren't strong and if he had been in touch with the workers of America he would have seen it --- CLEARLY.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:27 AM EDT
windycitybluez

Amen to that! wake up America McCain/Palin are bad for America in so many ways it's scary

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:43 AM EDT
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windycitybluezDeleted
middle class mamaDeleted
Wizeguy

"Decent working families can't survive. It's very sad," Smith said. "They raised minimum wage, but now you're paying triple in gas to get to work. It evens itself out."

I have been making this statement on a few other blogs. So far no Neo Con has been able or willing to repute or even answer.

Dubya along with the Republican held house and Senate instituted large Tax Breaks for Big Business and the Upper Class. This was to stimulate growth and create jobs. It seems the jobs were created in China and India. Here at home the Government and Wall St ran a house of cards economy. A recent article stated that 159,000 jobs were lost in one month. So I ask this question if the policies of the Republican party are so great why are we not rolling in dough?

My answer is trickle down does not work. Fat cats got fatter and we (the middle class) were dismissed to fend for ourselves. We need change not the same failed ideas and policies.

Barack (That Guy) Obama/Biden 2008

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:15 AM EDT
Dan-470975

MAYBE Palin needs to sit at the table with Joe-6-pack and ask how to fix this financial mess that her wall street first republicans got us into!

Palin proclaims to be a BUSH CONSERVATIVE republican, the tax breaks for the very wealthy, the capitalists that beleive in deregulation, the waste money in Iraq, republicans!

The Republicans lived high on the hog for 8 long years and look where it got AMERICA!

Capitalist, conservative republicans caused this financial mess and have no idea how to get out of it!!

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:45 AM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

I recall the statement: "My country, right or wrong."  It is so sad that once you brand yourself a Republican, considering all that has happened in the past 8 years, and all that you have now seen and heard about McCain and Palin, that you cannot dig yourself out from the abyss of "My Republican party, right or wrong."  The time has come to be a patriot to your country rather than your party. 

    Reply#6 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:59 AM EDT
    spreadex

    My hope is that this defeat is so big it will force the Republican party back to the true Conservative side. Where moderates and even liberal leaning people have a place in it. They need to limit the neocon hard right part of this party ASAP. When Eisenhower was president we had meaningful discussion between both parties and conclusions that had their basis in compromise and it worked. I long for the day when we return to that time where they are working together to bring this country back to where it is supposed to be. Sometimes it take a shock to bring one back to reality but it is sad to see this parties presidential contender having to resort to gutter politics.

    This only happens when you are completely devoid of ideas that energize the american people.

    Case in point:

    When Team McCain first posted McCain's mortgage bailout plan, it contained language that they decided they didn't really like.So they removed a sentence and reposted.

    That one missing sentence changed everything. Banks would no longer have to be penalized for the plummeting cost of mortgages. Taxpayer money would buy up the bad mortgages at the full price.

    McCain had no intention of helping the taxpayer. His plan is a windfall for the banks.

    His campaign team must either think we are incredibly stupid, or he doesn't know that his moves really are being watched. You can't just make things up as you go.

    What can this guy be thinking? This is one misstep after another. McCain's conservative base of support has also got to be steaming up over this one.

      #6.1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
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      Terry Keith

      Quit! Patriot to this country means you condone the lynchings of innocent Black people and condone letting the culprits go free. You condone bailing out rich thieves who continue to make you pay for cleaning their toe nails and wiping their @!$%#ty asses clean with your hard earned money. Patriot! Please! Kiss my ass!

      • 1 vote
      Reply#7 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:49 AM EDT
      Buzz of the Orient

      Merriam Webster Dictionary:  one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests.

      Oxford Dictionary:  a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it.

      That's strange, I didn't see anything about lynchings and bailing out in those definitions.  I didn't apply the negativity and pessimism to the term like you just did.  As for telling me to kiss your ass, I think you must have mistaken me for your mother.

        #7.1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
        spreadex

        I have no idea how you could draw those conclusions from what was said and that is also a clear violation of the code of honor.

          #7.2 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
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          Terry Keith

          WAKE UP!

          • 1 vote
          Reply#8 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:52 AM EDT
          in debt to the company store

          I heard from a displaced Cajun that white folks in Jefferson Parish, etc, have openly resigned themselves to voting for Obama! And in no way, shape or form are these people liberals. They're precisely as I'd assume you'd imagine they are. And voting for Obama anyway! I guess they figure they've been sold out too.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#9 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
          spreadex

          I live in a rather well to do predominately white neighborhood and the Obama signs are 15-1 for Obama. Working class people are worried about their jobs and their pocketbooks. Bush failed them and McCain while trying to be a maverick has solidified his love for Bush policies with his 90% voting record

          • 1 vote
          #9.1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
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          ex military Republican

          Palin left Wasilla in a mess financially with her money pit health complex now she wants to join McCain take off all restrictions McCain/Bush economics.  McCain is not a stable person under pressure as unfortunately many of us war Veterans.know.  The pressure can cause relapses of stresses lived through before.  Post traumatic stress syndrome McCain lives it every day of his life.  Todd Palin wanted Alaska to break off and leave the United States of America and Palin was there by his side.  Wake up America and smell the Moose crap.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#10 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
          ex military Republican

          Palin left Wasilla in a mess financially with her money pit health complex now she wants to join McCain take off all restrictions McCain/Bush economics.  McCain is not a stable person under pressure as unfortunately many of us war Veterans are aware.  The pressure can cause relapses of stresses lived through before.  Post traumatic stress syndrome McCain lives it every day of his life.  Todd Palin wanted Alaska to break off and leave the United States of America and Palin was there by his side.  Wake up America and smell the Moose crap.

            Reply#11 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
            renard

            The Republican Party has been worse for America than either heroin, cocaine, or the crack epidemic. In the beginning a lot of people believed that the Republican Party just like heroin and cocaine really weren't that bad and could be used and controlled,  only to find out later that they were addicted and their addiction was destroying not only their lives  but their family and friends as well. Republicans are like dope addicts they have ruled the country for the last 8 years and it it is clear that they have ran it down and put America on the fast track  to nowhere but even though Americas foundations are crumbling  John McCain and the Republican Party are just like a crack head they want one more hit on that pipe and they are willing to say and do anything to get it, just like a crack addicted whore.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#12 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:09 AM EDT
            SH-2000

            You said it! They vote like they are high; "oh he looks nice" not "oh no he voted FOR Iraq",or "No he voted with Bush 90% of the time". There is no consequence or lessons that they learn, and that is even more disturbing than Bush, Cheney, Mccain, Palin combined.

              #12.1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:58 AM EDT
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              SH-2000

              I just read about the Mccains not paying taxes on one of their La Jolla homes for 4 years. Back in July when it gained some press (although apparently not enough), THEN they mail a check. I think in light of this economic mess, Obama should run an ad about it, Mccain sure would if it was the reverse. Honestly, I learn something new about Mccain & Co. every day and it is never something nice.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#13 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
              Paul-534930

              Answers not attacks, answers that make sense seem to be in short supply, more tax breaks for the wealthy? More trickle down economics? Sorry John!

              • 1 vote
              Reply#14 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:58 AM EDT
              MrMajek

              These next weeks will tell the whole story.  Obama could ignore the attacks, as they ignore questions and spew their talking points, but he won't.  Palin/McCain have a recipe and script to keep the small-minded engaged, but no plan for this country--other than keeping things just as they are. 

                Reply#15 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
                renard

                I have 2 questions for John McCain

                1. Is why haven' t you ended the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or at least told Bush how to go about it?

                2. Is what are you waiting for to stop this Economic Crisis?

                I mean can't you at least share the solutions with George Bush and Treasury Secretary Paulson and Chairman of the Federal Reserve Beranake so they could have stopped the tremendous loss of wealth that was the result of the massive drop in the stock market ? This drop has resulted in the loss of nearly 8 Trillion Dollars of Americans retirement savings in which a massive amount of wealth has went up in smoke. I mean a real friend would have done something to prevent this catastrophy dont you think? Especially one that addresses every American as "my friend' and closes every one with I know how to do that. I mean for God sakes man put the Country First at least this one time or will we have to elect you then find out you really aren't our friend and you don't know squat.

                  #15.1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
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                  metonitoo

                  In western Pennsylvania, Republican and Democratic voters alike tend to be socially conservative, pro-gun and anti-abortion rights. Many are so-called Reagan Democrats willing to vote for a Republican because of social issues...

                  "Social Issues" - now the "Cover For Racists, Who, -Would rather foreclose, 'dumpster-dive' to feed their kids, sleep under bridges (like some Ex-GI's) and never learn to read- Than Vote for an American of African Descent; no problem with Irish Descent, Italian Descent, British/German/ Yugoslavic/ even Russian BUT just no (in their words- ) n-words...

                  It happens in City Council Races, Mayoral, State Legislature Seats and every 4 years in the Presidential...

                  BUT NOT THIS TIME!

                  We no longer care what color- We The People Need a "NERD" a "Constitutional Scholar" a "Cold, if not just Cool, Diplomatic Statesman" and we don't want anymore "LOBBY-RUN" White House Agendas... He can and will Fight For Jobs HERE, Not Overseas...  The beauty is that only one candidate- "Did Not Take ANY Lobby Money" we are buying back our Nation, a dollar at a time into Obama's Campaign...

                    Reply#16 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:36 AM EDT
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