ASHBURN — As the presidential race revs up, political conversations in NFL locker rooms echo those in workplaces nationwide. Taxes. Economy. McCain. Obama. War. Terrorism. White. Black. And a dilemma for these high-paid athletes: principles or pocketbook? "We're right in the middle," said Washington Redskins veteran Philip Daniels. "We've all got family members that are not doing so well. Democrats would help them out, but Republicans would help us out."
The 35-year-old defensive end sat in front of his locker not far from the nation's capital and analytically explained how his political color has changed from blue to red and back to blue again. Everything about Daniels' upbringing screams Democrat. He's a black male who grew up in modest surroundings in a small Georgia town. He majored in social work in college.
Everything about his income screams Republican. He's made millions many times over in his 13 years as a professional athlete, and the thought of paying higher taxes under a Democratic administration led him to vote for President Bush in 2000 and support the president's re-election in 2004.
"I used to be a Republican," Daniels said. "I wanted Bush in there. The previous years I've been Republican because of what we make, but this year's a little bit different. I think this year more guys are not even thinking about the income part of it. They're just really thinking about the economy and the country. A lot of people want change."
If the contest between Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama has energized the U.S. public as never before, locker rooms across the country are reflecting the trend. Players whose jobs are based on wins and losses identify with the wild swings of the who's-leading-and-by-how-much grind of the campaign.
The clear preferences from some athletes stand in contrast to former NBA superstar Michael Jordan's unwillingness to take a stand in the 1990 North Carolina Senate race between Republican Jesse Helms and Democrat Harvey Gantt, who was bidding to become the first black southern senator since Reconstruction.
"Republicans buy sneakers, too," Jordan famously said, though he later endorsed Bill Bradley's presidential campaign in 2000.
"We spend an hour a day talking about this exact subject — in meetings, on the plane, in the locker room," New Orleans Saints linebacker Scott Fujita said. "I think it's just because there's a new interest in politics this campaign season, more than there's ever been as long as I've been following it."
The historic nature of the contest, which includes the first black man to win a major party nomination and a female vice presidential candidate, makes the topic more compelling.
"As a black male, am I excited about Obama being a candidate?" Miami Dolphins defensive tackle Vonnie Holliday said. "Where I can tell my son, who is 3 years old, 'Believe it, you can be president one day'? Yes."
Holliday emphasized, however, that he is voting Democratic because he wants "fresh energy and a change." In interviews, players overwhelmingly said their votes in November would not — and should not — be based on race alone.
"That's the thing that a lot of African-Americans fall into: 'Just because he's black, I'm going to vote for him,'" said Redskins defensive end Demetric Evans, an undecided voter who is black. "You need to know why you vote for him. You need to know what he stands for."
The discussions and mini-debates, however, always seem to come back to money. Days after Daniels expressed his feelings inside the Redskins locker room, teammate Ethan Albright held up a stamped envelope containing his absentee ballot, ready to be mailed to his home state of North Carolina. As he put the envelope in his locker, cornerback Shawn Springs called out: "Why you like McCain?"
"I like him," Albright replied with a nod, "because he ain't raising taxes."
That's a sentiment reiterated by New York Giants punter Jeff Feagles, also a McCain supporter.
"He is going to tax the wealthy, which is what we are," said Feagles, referring to Obama. "We are in that category. You look at those kinds of implications, and I hate using that word, it will affect us."
Feagles' teammate, defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka, couldn't disagree more.
"It's insulting to think you would vote based on how it affects you financially," Kiwanuka said. "I had that conversation even before I got my signing bonus. It's a matter of general policy and what you believe in and what that person stands for. ... When you look at it, I spent the majority of my life with an average upbringing to say the least, and that has shaped how I vote a lot more than the last couple of years living this lifestyle."
Torn between the two arguments is Redskins cornerback Fred Smoot. He was one of the few Washington players to publicly support Sen. John Kerry four years ago, but this time he has yet to make up his mind.
"We're coming from Democratic backgrounds, but we got Republican money right now," Smoot said. "That's kind of hard, because you see it from both sides."
The spike in interest isn't limited to the NFL. NBA superstar LeBron James attended an Obama rally last weekend in Cleveland, while Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling appeared with McCain at a NASCAR race in New Hampshire last month.
NASCAR team owner Joe Gibbs addressed this year's Republican National Convention, and Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has dished out unsolicited advice to both candidates on his popular blog.
Politics can be a touchy subject for athletes. Some find the topic too polarizing to discuss for public consumption. Others have never voted and simply have no interest.
"I was one of those people who was registered, tried to do the absentee ballot thing in '04, and didn't get it done," Redskins cornerback Leigh Torrence said. "This year I'll make sure that's not the case."
Torrence is making up for lost ground in other ways. He and teammate Lorenzo Alexander attended a voter registration drive last month in Richmond, Va., and he's been trying to get as many of his teammates registered as possible. Fujita has made a similar push with the Saints, encouraging teammates to register to vote in Louisiana.
Not everyone feels politics belongs in the locker room. On Wednesday, before Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn introduced McCain at a rally in Strongsville, Ohio, Browns coach Romeo Crennel told his players in a team-wide address that he didn't want to hear political debates on the job.
"Their politics are their politics as long as they don't interfere with the team," Crennel said. "That's my main concern, that they don't get on a soapbox here in the locker room and get it going back and forth about a particular candidate against another candidate. That's why the ballot is a secret ballot when you go vote.
"(Quinn) took the time to do that, but as long as he keeps it outside the building and outside the team, that's his choice."
Four years ago, it was not uncommon to find Bush-leaning athletes unwilling to speak openly about their preference because they didn't want to be perceived as voting against their ideals just to get a better tax rate. Some who went public for Kerry were chided by teammates because Kerry, like Obama this year, proposed raising taxes on the wealthy.
This year, the dynamic appears to have shifted. Several players said the locker room banter suggests many of their teammates are mirroring Daniels' example and switching from Republican to Democrat. If the Redskins were a state, there was little question that Bush would have won its electoral votes in 2004. Asked what would happen this year, Smoot said: "It's a blue state."
"There might be some years where honestly you're like, 'Hey, what might be best for me fiscally,' and you may feel like a Republican slant may be a little more appropriate," New York Giants defensive tackle Barry Cofield said. "But I think after Bush's reign of terror, you know, and what we are seeing out of Sarah Palin, I think regardless of your financial station, I think it is pretty easy to support Obama."
That's not to say McCain doesn't have a solid core of supporters. After putting his absentee ballot in the locker, Albright emphasized that his preference for the Republican had as much to do with experience as taxes.
"McCain's been in office his whole life," Albright said. "I like somebody who's experienced. He's not going to make a quick, rash decision. If I'm having heart surgery, I want somebody who's done it before."
Kansas City Chiefs center Rudy Niswanger called himself "a McCain man, for all the obvious reasons."
"I appreciate the sacrifice and courage he's shown," Niswanger said, "and I think experience is very important in that job."
The dilemma gives some a reason to opt out of the process entirely.
"I don't think I'm going to vote," said Washington running back Clinton Portis, the Redskins star known for his colorful opinions. "Because I make Republican income, but I need the Democrats in office, so which way do I go?"
That's one electoral decision that doesn't sit well with Torrence, who has worked so hard to get his teammates involved in the process.
"Regardless of what your beliefs are," Torrence said, "I think it's your responsibility to vote."
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AP Sports Writers Tom Canavan in East Rutherford, N.J.; Doug Tucker in Kansas City, Mo.; Steven Wine in Davie, Fla.; Brett Martel in Metairie, La.; and Tom Withers in Berea, Ohio, contributed to this report.
I think it's humorous that the debate seems to be:
"I'm rich, and I love being rich, so I may have to vote Republican - but I also have morals and ideals which are telling me to vote Democrat..."
"We're right in the middle," said Washington Redskins veteran Philip Daniels. "We've all got family members that are not doing so well. Democrats would help them out, but Republicans would help us out."
He acknowledges that he has family members who aren't doing so well due to the economy, and that voting for Obama would help his family members. But he's tempted to vote for McCain because that means fewer taxes for someone who is paid ridiculous amounts of money to throw a ball around? How disgusting.
yeah, after taxes they will still be rich. Since Obama want to take those making over $250k to the tax rate of the Clinton years, they would actually be paying less taxes than under Bush's plan now.
But I don't expect many of those jocks to think too much.
One Party, Why shouldn't they be rich even after paying taxes? Hey, you know the government isn't a giant soup kitchen where only the wealthy should have to pay. Everyone has the same opportunities here, its the choices you make in life that lead you to where you are.
Beverly, Everyone pays taxes.
In retrospect of the article, I read a rich athlete say he's torn between himself and his family, with is vote.
If he votes for Obama, he will still be rich and helping out his family.
If he votes McCain, he helps out himself.
All that stuff you said about soup kitchens, and wealthy being the only people paying taxes is neither here nor there.
Furthermore, no matter how many time Republican read or hear that those over $250k will pay lower taxes under the Clinton Plan (which is the rate Obama will put them at) rather than under the current Bush plan..
But honestly, I've come to realize that some people just can't logically make sense of that. i don't understand, its not rocket science. It means under Obama those making over $250 will still get a tax cut also.
I've explained it so many times I feel like I'm talking to children with earphone and the music cranked all the way up. Obama has said it. You can go on the site and read it. It's all inclusive. McCain's plan isn't.
I wonder if some of these athletes who do not want their higher income taxed realize that if the ordinary folks that do not make their elevated salaries can't afford to purchase tickets they will be playing in empty stadiums and eventually will feel the pinch when the teams cannot pay them.
There is a meltdown going on and the ordinary folks that attend these games are being wiped out financially. They are losing their jobs, health insurance coverage, homes and retirement savings as well as being told that Social Security will change for the worse. The cost of gas, utilities, food and other consumer good have gone up.
If you do not have a job and your world is falling apart around you, would you spend money to pay for a ticket to a sporting event or would you buy food?
Perhaps these guys who would perfer the tax breaks should remember their standard of living is only as secure as the ordinary fans' ability to pay for the ticket to see them play.
"McCain's been in office his whole life," Albright said. "I like somebody who's experienced. He's not going to make a quick, rash decision. If I'm having heart surgery, I want somebody who's done it before."
...He's not?
Eric, perhaps Albright does not realize that it may be better to have the new surgeon do the heart surgery.
The new surgeon would probably know/be more aware of new technology that may be employed that he (Albright) may not have to have the more invasive proceedure or for that matter, after proper examination using the new technoogy available, may not have to have heart surgery after all.
Albright needs to realize also, that because a person is experienced does not mean they still have the ability they once had. This is evident by the choice of Palin, over far more qualified candidates, to assist in the surgery coupled with other confusing stance and mind changing on various issues affecting the many other patients and their families that make it possible for him to enjoy his lifestyle and otherwise make his life easier.
Albright better realize how much McCain changes his stance.
"Cut that artery. (next day).. nooo, I shouldn't have done that."
Why do rich people always think about themselves. I mean I understand it is unfair to be taxed because you are wealthy but it is equally unfair to be taxed more if you are middle class, however, if they are taxed they still will continue to be rich and better off than most. If becoming wealthy gives you these warp attitude I would rather just continue to live a modest but yet properous lifestyle.
All Registered Republicans check with your county voter registars office and make sure your registered...I sent in my registration form about 2 months ago,I registered on-line...I'm Not registered. I suggest you all check and if your not registered I would suggest that you reregistar as an independant...I'm pissed
Alicia,
Do you believe poor people are all altruistic. Come on, you over generalization is disgusting. People care not groups. Rich people who care give lots of money tocharity (Bill Gates), get involved in job creation etc. Just as many poor donate time to charity. Charity does a FAR FAR better job of helping the poor vs gov't. So why would I want to give more money to the government which has shown time and time again their policies to "help" the poor only result in new bureaucracies that suck up the money and the poor are still poor.
Alicia, to be fair, the article listed several NFL players that were proudly voting Democrat, including this quote:
"It's insulting to think you would vote based on how it affects you financially," Kiwanuka said. "I had that conversation even before I got my signing bonus. It's a matter of general policy and what you believe in and what that person stands for. ... When you look at it, I spent the majority of my life with an average upbringing to say the least, and that has shaped how I vote a lot more than the last couple of years living this lifestyle."
Alicia, why shouldn't rich people be proud of becoming rich, not all rich people are born into riches they start out just like you and I modestly, They educate themselves and work hard at what they do, to get rich, and because the labor of their work becomes wealth it creates jobs for the rest of us, Everybody in America has the same opportunity to do the same, so the rich should not be responsible in paying a higher tax rate just so the ones that don't strive to reach their potential can have the same things that those who work their whole lives have. If you don't want to become wealthy than you don't have to, but those that are, are not responsible for your choice.
Brianba, There is a difference between being successful and being rich imo. A person can look at themself as being successful and earn 50 thousand dollars a year. No one would suggest that that is being rich by any stretch of the imagination.
It has been noted that the average wage in the USA is under 50 thousand dollars a year.
Of couse if you earn 15 thousand dollars a year, you would/could probably look at someone earning 50 thousand as rich.
Don't assume that everyone who does not agree with you is a liberal democrat.
There have been extreemly weathy people who believe(d) that people who are rich and those who are wealthy should pay more taxes than those who are less fortunate like the people in the middleclasses.
In this country, being rich opens up countless opportunities for you to become richer. Those opportunities are privileges not available to everyone else, and the cost of those privileges should be higher taxes. This isn't rocket science.
Liamd, who did Bill Gates give his money to? Did he give some to you?
Who did the rich give their money to? I haven't the faintest idea. Usually it is to a university or something like that which still does not make it any less costly for regular folks/students to afford to attend that university.
If it is given to a hospital, you still have to pay for your care there.
Are these folks being charitable or contributing to some charity as a means of decreasing their taxes?
If they are being charitable then they should not take the charitable deduction on their tax returns. Now that would be real charity, don't you think?
From what I have observed, people with a lot of money/wealth only give as much as it will help them tax wise. I have seen folks that can well afford to do better give their cast offs rather than something new to people in need.
Most people who are apt to give to others, including to members of their family, is usually not amoung the rich imo.
Beverly H, don't get wrong I am not mad at anyone becoming rich and if you worked hard for it then you reap from it and obviously you missed my whole point. By the way, I have a very wonderful, full blessed life and I am not broke by a long shot, again, let me repeat myself I didn't say it was okay for the rich to be taxed but I do believe that to much is given much is required. If it is not going to hurt rich people paying a little more in taxes to help balance out this country. I guess I am different than most people because if I had access to millions and millions of dollars I sure would use to make things better like Oprah and it seems like the more she gives the more riches she receives and I don't hear her or others like Buffet and Gates complaining about taxes.
Also, I would like to congratulate all of you who are rolling in the dough you have worked real hard to accume riches and wealth because I am not jealous and I hope your riches give you great happiness all the time.
Liamd, who did Bill Gates give his money to? Did he give some to you?
He bought 1500 desktop computers and gave them to the Navajo Nation school system.
I was watching a show on CNBC the other day and they were talking to people who were RICH. I mean these people were talking about making millions per week from earnings of invested billions (with a capital B). Most said it was all about "making more" for the sake of making more. None of them talked of giving to charitable causes.
Hot, what about the healthcare issues of the Nations. Aren't many suffering with diabetes, alcoholism etc, lack of jobs, poor housing etc?
I suppose the computers are something considering that 1500 desktop comuters probably cost about 50-75 thousand dollars if not less. That is probably a tip for one of the wealthiest men in the world.
Hey, perhaps he and a few of his billionaire frends could help out these homeowners by securing their mortgages and lower the interest rate, allowing the homeowners to continue to pay their mortgage and live in their homes.
I still find it hard to believe that it was the American homeowners who bought homes using these ARMs that reset higher that caused the melt down of the financial institutions worldwide. To have been able to do that all American homeowners would have had to default on their mortgages which is not the case.
So what really caused the financial institutions to go into meltdown? Is it about 500 thousand homeowners defaulting on their loans or something else? Where do the housing investors and flippers fit into this situation?
What part did the increased cost of oil, job losses, medical care cost, etc have, if any, in the financial investments meltdown?
What part did the 10 billion dollars per month for the Iraq war for the past 5 plus years have on this melt down? Where was the govt getting this money from to pay for this war for this long?
Where is the money going to come from to repay this money if not from the middleclass tax payers who are already straining under the mountain of debt and loss of job, food cost, utilities cost, etc?
What aren't we being told by the govt et al? Does anyone know the answer or can give a clue?
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