Congressman says McCain 'sowing seeds of hatred'

Obama is going to be president.  Aint a lick of nothing you can do about it.  Throw in the towel, it's over.

once again more fearmongering crap from the right wing nuts....give it a rest please. We are sick of it and you.

"Fear mongering" to liberals is TRUTH to everyone. Obama is so scared of everything he did in his past he has his liberal lap dogs barking loud in order to cover the truth. He HAS threatened to sue tv stations if they run any adds about he and Bill Ayres...Don't believe it??? Check out -- Now I'm SURE the Obamamamas will say...it ain't so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Obama's a secret Muslim who's going to inflict sharia law on the country.  And the moon is made of green cheese and the tooth fairy leaves quarters under children's pillows.

lol jojo

so in perspective,,,,lets say 100 people......
fear mongers =10
liberal sane folks= 90
um,. im thinkin the liberal SANE folks are more inclined towards truth.....look at the polls. mccains losing. regardless, say what you will it won't change the fact that OBAMA is going to win. Try not to be a poor loser umm k?

He may be the next President, or he may not be the next President, but if he is, he is not going to do you one IOTA favor.  His tax cuts (tax breaks) are not going to help a lot of people, but he can promise these to people with a smile on his face because he knows he is fooling you..........and according to the Polls he has fooled a lot of people.

The Truth has a Liberal Bias.....

Doyle Wheeler

I hope you are prepared for the change you will get if Obama is elected President.  He isn't really promising anything in particular if you will notice, he says a lot of "STUFF", but he is just making speeches.  I hope you too are ready for a Socialist Government.  Sometimes we don't like what we wish for after we get it.

John McCain hasn't done or said anything about hatred, this is just an statement made from a man who himself must be full of hatred.

  I remember the days of Governor Wallace I live in Alabama at the time, I remember the march by Martin Luther King, and myself I am glad to see the changes, so my reasons for not wanting Obama for president has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it is who his friends are, and they are bad people and he is easily influenced by them.  It all started with a Mentor (Frank Marshall Davis) when he was young and he still likes to connect himself with people like him. So look him up and find a very interesting read..........

BB-375952

he says a lot of "STUFF", but he is just making speeches.

Barack Obama's Science [e.g. energy, technology] proposals

Obama Blueprint For Change

Obama Announces $1B Education Proposal, Would Double Funding For Charter Schools

Obama Proposes Small Business Rescue Plan

2008 Presidential Candidates' Tax Proposals

Obama on the issues

Barack Hussein Obama II has proven on countless occasions to be supplying more than just "stuff" when he speaks to American voters.  He has an extensive platform, whether you wish to recognize that or not.

Nope!!! Benedict Arnold was British. My Great Grandfather changed the family name to Arnold from Arnheldt. But the name Wheeler brings up a memory when I was in the Marine Corps, they convicted a Private Wheeler of Cowardice Under Fire... any relation to you???

Not that I'm aware of but damn unless you're are an out and out lier you must be one old son of a gun. Sense the last person shot for cowardice was an Army Private in World War II and he was the only person of any service shot for cowardice in WWII with none since.  Read a book before you make an idiot of yourself, oh yes to late for that!  So what war were you talking about?  Old old Marine dude.  Changed your name usually people do that because they hiding something but no need to get personal! I'll be willing to my DD214 up to you or anyone not that medals mean that much, with all of them I have and I have pretty good size handful and $4.00 I can get Mocha. Peace old Marine Dude unless that's BS too!

Edward:

Actually, Benedict Arnold was not British. He was American. He would have been utterly useless were he British because he would not have gotten appointed as the commander of the fort at West Point, which he tried to surrender to the British. It should also be noted he was a hell of a fighter and, without him, the Americans never would have won at Saratoga which is what convinced the French we were worthy of aid.

I can see why your family changed its name, kind of like being named Hitler. But Jesus man, would it kill you to read some history?

Benedict Arnold and I have something in common.  We both went to the same high school, Norwich Free Academy in Norwich, Connecticut.  He did go there a few years before I did.

Scott Isaacs:

You are right...to a point, but if you recall George Washington, Benedict Arnold, and all of the rest that began the revolt were BRITISH SUBJECTS, since New England and the other colonies were under British rule, there was no United States of America until years after the revolt against the Kings rule, Revolutionary War. I guess I should have made the point clearer for the sake of those who don't know their history.

Doyle Wheeler:

During my lunch break I broke out a Leatherneck Magazine (July 11, 2006). In it it spoke of the Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) and how it is meant to eliminate a potential situation where a Marine demonstrates cowardice under fire or disobeys a direct order. So if a Marine shows cowardice under fire, he, or she, could be brought up on charges of disobeying a direct order (to engage the enemy). But to combat Marines it is still called --- cowardice under fire--- and William Doyle (2nd Mar. Div) may have been brought up on charges of disobeying a direct order (he backed down the hill we were taking and refused to go on), we look at it as him being a coward....So, maybe you were in the Army or maybe never served, but get your facts straight before you question a Viet Nam Marine vet.

Edward:

It is a fair point to make. My only point would be that after Arnold fought against the British in battle he became American and, therefore, even though he later became British again after he had switched sides he will always remain an American. He is certainly a study in contradictions and would most certainly been a revered war hero in America had he not changed sides... he did more to aid America's birth than perhaps anyone but Washington.

BTW, was your family related or just had the same last name by chance?

Negative that, my great grandfather came here from Germany, he hated  Kaiser Wilhelm and even after here he hated Hitler even more. My grandfather joined the RCAF and fought against the German Luftwaffa. Our original name was Arnheldt but being a bit difficult to understand he changed it to Arnold. One of my relatives was General Harley "Hap" Arnold of Pennsylvania. He flew the first B-25 raid from carriers in the 2 W.W. 

Hap Arnold was quite a warrior.

James Doolittle commanded the B-25 raid on Tokyo.

Henry "Hap" Arnold became commander of the Army Air Corps in 1938 and remained the senior Army aviator until he retired in 1946.

I guess you're right, the stories were told to me by my father and I guess this old Marine's memory surley slipped...thanks  JoJo...How old does one have to be to have a "Senior Moment???

So you were a Marine in Vietnam we may have chewed some of the same dirt. You were right I miss read your statement I had a senior moment and thought you said the Marine was shot for cowardice.  I'' sure there have been any number of Marines and members of the Army charged with disobeying and order or even cowardice but know in answer to your cheap shot question no I was never cited for cowardice.  I did go in and bring out downed Marine Helicopter crew though once.  They were much more appreciative of my service than you are. Most Vietnam Vets are my brothers but lets just leave that we would care for each other. But I'm still willing to to my dd214 up against yours anytime if you actually have one.

Doyle --- Okay, let's leave the sour attitude behind. Bless you for your service, and yes I ate some of the same dirt. I served with the 2nd. Marine Div. as a scout sniper, but as I am sure you will agree, that is all behind us (with the exceptions of a few scars). My son is in the Corps now, he's an instructor in Camp Lejune, N.C. at the very same sniper school I went through. I can't say how much I appreciated seeing a chopper come in to carry us away, and if I had gone down and my ass was pulled out by someone like you I most likely would have kissed you and today would still call you "brother" as I have to so many that were there when I needed them. Again Doyle, thanks...and "Semper Fi".

Isn't John Lewis part of the crowd of black 'leaders' that stabbed Hillary Clinton in the back?

Nope he didn't support Obama until Clinton lost Super Tuesday and it was clear that Hillary wasn't going to win.

They are shameless.

About as shameless as allowing people to yell  "kill him" or "terrorist" and smirking instead of intervening.

People who want the complete picture need to check out

http://johnrussell.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/12/1990947-look-whose-supporters-are-gripped-by-insane-rage

and Michelle Malkin

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

There is a cartoon image of a gun pointed at Palin's head, a photo of McCain changed to show blood dripping from his mouth like he's a vampire, a "Kill Bush" t-shirt, an explicit cartoon of a monkey taking a crap on John McCain's head, a button with a fake photo of a gun being held to Bush's face, various signs held by demonstrators suggesting Bush should be beheaded or shot dead, etc.

It is pure hypocrisy and the blatant refusal of the media to be fair that accounts for this incredible disparity in how these 'threats' are portrayed to the American people.

JohnRussell

Thanks for pointing out these sites, I checked them out and found them appalling.  Where people's imagination goes for some reason always surprises me, I also heard that at one of the Obama Rallies someone shouted out that Sarah Palin should be stoned. 

If by "immediately" you mean "a week or so later" then you're right.  However, for most people "immediately" means "as soon as he knew about it."  So McCain is nowhere near as honorable as you seem to think he might be.

As for the Hastings, Wright, etc. allegations, they were all brought up last spring by Hillary Clinton and debunked then.  If you and your fellow Republicans can't keep up, please take notes.

Take your own notes. Follow the links to Obama's bigoted "friends," and tell me point-by-point, with references, why I shouldn't be concerned about Hastings, Meeks, Wright, Farrakhan, and Ayers. I've already done my own research, and Obama has not made clean breaks with any of these people -- he's been wishy-washy as usual -- so please spare me any speeches, rhetoric, or flat out inaccuracies.

Here's a glaring innaccuracy: McCain did so "immediately" because he told the wackos at the town hall meeting to shut their mouths immediately, right after their outbursts, at the time it happened, during the town hall meeting.

thedoctori:

The McCain/Palin campaign is unintentionally creating a fringe of the Republican Party that is going to have to be dealt with at some point with unknown consequences. That should not be papered over or covered up, people should know this. And McCain did not defend Obama until the other day, this has been going on for weeks. And Palin doesn't even bother to defend Obama which occasioned a large fight between her and Obama.

thedoctori,

Palin was attacking Obama as a terrorist for over a week before McCain "defended" him.  If that's immediately then you have a very slow sense of time.  As for your other slurs against Obama, as I said, Hillary Clinton brought them up six months ago and they were answered then.

But you don't care about having your rants debunked.  You want four more years of economic failure, expensive but useless wars, and watching the country go down the tubes.   But you and your boy McCain don't actually say that.  You and your boy McCain can't argue the issues.  So instead you and your girl Palin use sneers, half-truths, innuendoes, and flat-out lies to try to discredit Obama.  Sorry, some of us aren't buying your BS.

thedoctori

Obama is a child, more interested in maintaining ties to all sorts of very questionable people (Alcee Hastings, Rev. Meeks, Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and Bill Ayers) because he can use them, and he's unwilling to man up and denounce the bigots amongst his own ranks:

McCain's Questionable Ties

• Jim Hensley, Convicted Felon
• G. Gordon Liddy, Convicted Felon
• Charles Keating, Convicted Felon
• Raffaello Follieri, Convicted Felon
• Rick Renzi, Under Indictment
• Rick Davis, Freddie Mac Lobbyist
• Charles Black, Lobbyist for Dictators
• Richard Quinn, White Supremist
• Pastor John Hagee, Bigot
• Pastor Rod Parsley, Bigot
• Todd Palin, Member of Secessionist Group
• Andrew McCain, Resigned Manager Savings & Loan

Where have I minimized the wacko McCain supporters? Nowhere. In fact, I brought up the fact that McCain told his own supporters to shut their yaps. I called them "wackos." But nowhere do I see evidence that the majority of McCain supporters are bigots.

I see no problem with McCain calling Obama out on his "friends" like Bill Ayers, a "former" terrorist:

"Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children in the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive."

I do see a problem with Obama being unwilling to make a clean break with bigots like Ayers, Meeks, Wright, Farrakhan, and Hastings. There is such a thing as moral clarity, but apparently not for Obama. He got his education and started his career in a milieu of moral relativism.

(Saying that a few nutty McCain supporters are going to lead to a Fourth Reich is completely a stretch of the imagination -- sophistry.)

thedoctori:

The problem McCain has is that he'd rather lose honorably than win with the tactics at these Palin rallies and the people in his campaign that either came in with Palin or don't care how they win are forming a mutiny against him. Palin clearly doesn't understand how to be a stateswoman: she can't even stay within the bounds of acceptable negative campaigning.

Looks like someone also has a problem of ignoring comments that don't suit their agenda.

But you don't care about having your rants debunked.

You haven't debunked anything. You probably didn't even follow my links and certainly didn't tell "me point-by-point, with references, why I shouldn't be concerned about Hastings, Meeks, Wright, Farrakhan, and Ayers."

... as I said, Hillary Clinton brought them up six months ago and they were answered then.

Excuse me while I laugh. Ms. Hillary-taking-cover-from-imaginary-snipers-in-Bosnia Clinton. What a reliable source.

Exit stage left -- and click on the "Ignore This Author" button.

You're right, I didn't follow your specific links.  That's because I've been looking at that same set of "OMG look at who Obama's been seen with now" sneers, innuendoes and lies for months.  As I've said several times now, those same sneers, innuendoes and lies were brought out by Clinton during the primaries.  But you were too busy following what the Republicans were doing to pay attention to the debunking of Clinton's sneers, innuendoes and lies.

In fact, you've proven that you haven't paid attention to what I wrote.  I didn't say that Clinton debunked the sneers, innuendoes and lies, I said that she gave them and then they were debunked after she gave them.  I take it that reading comprehension is not one of your strengths.

Go ahead and ignore me.  I'm not surprised.  Like most conservatives, you're afraid of the truth and hate to see it presented.

thedoctori

you some what right and then no. Being from the very heart of Dixie. There is a language or tone that is unmistakable. It is McCain fault only because Palin has no knowledge of the lower 48 states. Her tone plus she let things get out of hand. The sheriff in uniform was the eye shot. The mention of his middle name was the dog whistle! The mop was ready! Etc etc... Ya see Doc My Aunt is alive to day Only because the Preacher called her back up stairs before the bomb went off. And if you know anything about history then you know what church. We have learned what to look. YOU see sir you can afford to be dismissive but your safety is not in peril

The McCain-Palin campaign's worst mistake is to cater to racists... there are many more blacks and this will compel them to the polls all the more reliably. You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

No you have it wrong sadly it's McCain that has clearly demonstrated that he has entered his second childhood. He won't and can't turn over his medical records because he would clearly be disqualified from holding the office of President. Saying he has a lot of senior moments is a kind way of saying he is in the early stages of the same problem that took President Regan from us. With Regan his came at the end of his presidency not before the start!  I respect John McCain's service to his country and sadly he was forced to endure more than anyone should ever have endure. But that does not mean he should be President.  He should be relaxing at home enjoying his children while he can still recognize them.

From today's Columbus Dispatch, an op-ed questioning whether Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, is trying to give presidential candidate Barack Obama a little extra help for the November elections. The plot keeps thickening...

Thanks for providing a link to another post which references a conservative newspaper.

However, until someone actually goes to court, it's nothing more than a  tin foil article.

And this "McCain's Questionable Ties" isn't a "tin foil article?" The site doesn't provide the names of its authors, provides no information about who is publishing it, and provides no address, not even and email address.

The links/information I posted were from the LA Times, ABC News, CNN, the Washington Post, Investor's Business Daily, the BBC, and the New York Times.

The Columbus Dispatch, one of Ohio's top newspapers, is "conservative?"

The Colubmus Dispatch article doesn't reference "a conservative newspaper." In fact, the article explicitly documents the shenanigans of the former Republican Ohio Secretary of State.

thedoctori

And this "McCain's Questionable Ties" isn't a "tin foil article?" The site doesn't provide the names of its authors, provides no information about who is publishing it, and provides no address, not even and email address.

I provides sourcing to all of the information in the article:

Sources:
http://www.houstonpress.com/2000-03-02/news/this-bud-s-for-john/print
http://www.publicintegrity.org/blog/entry/364/
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2000-02-17/news/haunted-by-spirits/
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/84094.php
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93708729
http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_219.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/us/politics/23mccain.html?pagewanted=2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hensley
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/23/politics/politico/thecrypt...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331872,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_Gordon_Liddy
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/05/mccains-terror-connection-g-gordon-liddy/
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/berman_ames
http://www.newsweek.com/id/161218
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/politics/w24davis.html
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/02/7302_charlie_black_j.html
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/mccain-adviser.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,92000.story
http://www.liberaloasis.com/2008/04/mccain_guiltbyassociation_for.php
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26524024/
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/06/business/main4422652.shtml
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ayers7-2008oct07,0,1083099.story
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?_r=2...

thedoctori:

Blackwell bent every single rule and regulation there was to deliver Ohio to Bush. If you are a Democrat here in Ohio, you consider this the spoils of war.

Blackwell was one of the biggest putzes ever to grace Ohio govt -- maybe besides that screw-up Taft.

I have to say I think that Bob Taft was one of the most ineffectual governors in the history of all the states. Also, Blackwell's losing margin to Strickland speaks for itself. I don't even remember a statewide election being decided by 25 points even when Republicans were completely and totally dominant in the state.

Maybe you need to find a mirror... none of us are yelling "KILL HIM!" about John McCain.

Yes but we are going to be the majority and this time you won't be able to steal it.  So cry in your beer joe it not a messiah we seek to elect it's some that doesn't wonder around on the stage mumbling to himself. A man with strong mind not a used up worn out mean spirted old fart!

i thank god that people have finally woke up and seen the lies you neocons have been force feeding them for so long.....WE SHALL OVERCOME

American Believer, what you on the right are missing, is that we on left are NOT looking to elect a messiah. We are looking to elect the best human to be our president, to uphold our beliefs, a good example being SEPARATION of church and state.

Now seriously what kind of President would he be if he can't control is VP running mate?  Give me a break, he gave her marching orders but he had to write them down for her so she could remeber her lines.

what doyle said......

What's wrong with an Obama Monkey?  Haven't you heard of such things as a "Rally Monkey"?  Or was it that YOU made a direct mental correlation between Obama and monkeys?  If you don't feel there's a resemblance between the two, then you shouldn't be so saddened.
You know, in a lefties overwhelming desire to be accepted by their peers and in order to show solidarity with others by making pandering comments, sometimes they put their foot in their mouth by exposing their own subconscious racial observations.  How does that Nike taste, pablito? 

If you don't know what's wrong with an "Obama monkey" then you don't know anything about the pre-Civil Rights South... heard the term "porch monkey"?

There are a lot more racist comments in these posts than George Wallace ever uttered.  George Wallace was a States Rights advocate.  Of course its politically correct to demonize the man as a flaming lyncher now but the fact is that he was one of the most honest poloticians of our time.  Its a shame that these media/poll built characters like Obama and McCain with their "hope" and "straight talk" can't actually speak what is on their mind.  It would be nice to know what a potential president's actual intentions really were before the election.  That wont work though because all you politically correct types were breast fed on CNN.  Ron Paul spoke the truth and nobody listened because they wanted to hear words crafted by a legion of professional speech writers and polsters.  Thanks to you all we will elect a President whose agenda is hidden, regardless of which party wins.  Comparing McCain to George Wallace is flattery, Wallace really did engage in straight talk.

I know the porch monkeys that you are referring to.  I think we had one in my yard growing up.  So...Did this guy that pablito was referring to have one of these porch monkeys with Obama written on it?  Pablito didn't say the guy had a porch monkey.  He said he had an "Obama Monkey"!  I swear, for being such "tough guys", blacks sure do have thin skin and whine alot at every perceived slight.  Get over yourselves. 

Representing a black man as a monkey is like calling him a porch monkey.

I'm a white man. You talk awful tough... can your ass cash the checks your mouth writes?

I speak my mind, whether on a computer or in everyday life.  I'm 42 years old and I've been able to cash every check my mouth writes. Like you, I'm white also. That said, in alot of ways, I'm just like many blacks. I have pride in my ethnicity and also like blacks, I stand up for my race if needbe. I do not chose to live by a double standard where I must walk on verbal eggshells around others while listening to my people get verbally trashed.  Others speak their mind and so do I.  I get offended sometimes but thats life. Others probably get offended by my words as well, but they'll get over it just like I must do.  The difference between myself any many younger whites is that I have not been cowered and intimidated into silence by minorities.  I was not taught in school how white folks are evil and how I must carry around some imaginary white guilt for things my ancestors did in years past. Maybe this is why I don't appease the namecallers. Also, I live in a conceal carry state and should I ever get in a situation where I can't cash that check that you speak of, I have back up options.  I would never take someones 1st amendment rights from them, and NOBODY will take my 1st amendment rights from me. Regardless what race they are. My constitutional rights don't end at their thin skin.

Ron:

Let me try to illustrate something to you. Let's say that I said your mother was a whore... and the reality of the situation (for argument's sake) is that she was a prostitute. That would probably make you pretty angry, angry enough to shoot me I imagine. (There's concealed carry in Ohio too, so don't get any bright ideas about using your little friend on me... I have a .45. Oh, and if you try to kill me you better do it with the first shot because if you try to kill me, one of us will end up in a pine box) Well, magnify that anger and humiliation ten times and that's how a black person would feel when their best-known representative is being referred to as a "porch monkey" at Republican rallies. Not only did whites get to call them that freely and derisively, they also got to own them as chattel for 200+ years and didn't let them vote for 400 years. If you think you have anger issues, you don't even want to contemplate the anger locked up inside a black person when white people taunt them.

May I apologize to you Mr./Ms. Wheeler for all the decent kind folks for that person you are bantering with.  Sir/Ma'am; it is not worth it. 

I am so sorry.  Just get a good night's sleep.  Nov 5th will come soon and this will be over and hopefully the one candidate who has been threatened will remain safe. 

Elaine:

I hope so. This country can't take another Bobby or Jack Kennedy deal.

Doyle and Scott,

Listen up, Internet warriors.  Our words do not scare each other and you know as well as I do that we will never meet.  In my job, I'm pretty sure that I've gone face to face with some bigger and badder dudes than you two are. I've worked areas at night that you two would @!$%# your pants if you came within a mile of in the daytime.  I spent years dealing with gang members up close and personal, of all ethnicities.  So before you tell me how you're going to bash teeth in or pull .45's on me, understand something. I still have all my teeth after 15 years on the job and I've stared down the end of a gun before.

As far as your claims of racism, save it, my man.  Those words only work of PC-minded liberals such as yourselves.  I shed my white guilt years ago.     

Ron:
Hey big man, you're the one that told me there's concealed carry in your state. That's a veiled threat at minimum right there.You're right, our words don't scare each other... and the possibility of your presence does not scare me. My family's from Owsley County right next door to "Bloody" Breathitt County in Kentucky so what I will not tolerate is a threat from anyone. I don't care how big you are or how many gun barrels you've stared down in your life, once we meet you will be wanted by the law or done. You may kill me, but I'll be damned if I'll be threatened by the likes of you.

We clear, cowboy?

BTW, it's really unfortunate we couldn't have a rational discussion here. I was trying to relate how black Americans feel about slavery and you tell me you carry a gun. I hope it's made of chocolate because you'll be eating it if you try to use it on me.

RonBlack66

What's wrong with an Obama Monkey?

Discrimination Against Blacks Linked To Dehumanization, Study Finds

"Despite widespread opposition to racism, bias remains with us," Eberhardt said. "African Americans are still dehumanized; we're still associated with apes in this country. That association can lead people to endorse the beating of black suspects by police officers, and I think it has lots of other consequences that we have yet to uncover."

BOYS!!

How about we take that little testosterone fest off the public vine?    The rest of us would like to have a rational conversation about the issue at hand, and not have to listen to a bunch of overgrown teenagers trying to convince each other how "big and bad" they are.

I'm reporting all of you, by the way - for inflammatory posts.

To Tyler-The Moderator,

If you will go back and look at the context of each comment, you will see it began when I commented on thin skin.  This drew a response about my mouth writing checks that my ass can't cash.  My comment about living in a concealed carry state was in response to this.  As far as any direct threats, I made none.  Unlike invitations from Doyle to meet up and bashing teeth in and Scott telling what kind of gun he possesses.

My response to thin skin is a personal observation.  Does this make my comment racist for pointing out this observation?  America is not a college campus where free speech is suppressed.  Obviously Newsvine can do so, but this does not change my vast observations regarding blacks and thin skin.  And if pointing out my observations makes me racist, then so be it.  Like I said in an earlier post, being called a racist does not cower me.  This word is used merely to silence discenting viewpoints and therefore, this tactic no longer works on me.

Thank you for your wonderful website.

Very well stated and spot on, I'm glad America has someone of John Lewis' caliber to stand up and say what so many honest decent American that don't have a public voice have been trying to say for the last two weeks.  Now we must pray that it's not to late that some nut bag doesn't take the seeds planted and trys make a statement because their worthless life is much like that of some of the race baiter we've read on hear.

Thank you! Truths that were very well said.

I share your concern about Ron Black 66 perhaps I should not of called him out but I'm white and frankly I'm sickened that any white man in the year 2008 would speak the way he speaks.

I share many of your experiences tough I'm sure my being white has made some of them easier on me.  I fought in Vietnam with a unit that 90 percent black men. All putting their lives on the line the same as me. They saved me I saved them.  We bled together after being wounded I noticed as I laid along one of my fellow black soldier waiting for medivac as our blood ran together I could not tell his from mine.

I was a law enforcement officer that wrote a white officer up twice for racism and burtality, the officer stopped a young black man a muslim that had no criminal record whatso ever.  He started beating the young man in front of many witnesses a second officer joined in the beating and they told the young man they were going to kill him.  In a struggle for one of the officers gun the two officer were shot and one died.  The young man was put on trial for murder.  I was subpoenaed by the defense and I stood up and told the truth that I had written the officer twice for racism.  After two trials the young man was finally aquitted.  Of course my career was ovr and I was black balled from working in law enforcement.  That was not enough a few months later I was bound shot in the head and left for dead. 

So I know what kind of people are still out there and it scares the heck out of me for Senator Obama and for our country.  If some one is crazy enough to murder him this country will come apart at the seams in a time when it needs to come together more than ever.

When I go to bed tonight and every night  I will say an extra prayer for Senator Obama his family and for our country.  My God bring us together in yours and my life time!

Bless you, bless John Lewis bless the Senator and his family and as hard as it is for me to say this may God bless Ron Black66 and open his eyes to love instead of hate!!!!

S. Elaine Jones,
I'm not really angry.  I speak my mind just as others do.  I'm sure you take pride in your people, just as I do mine. This election has simply caused verbal viciousness from both sides.  I was fed up with all the back and forth bantering months ago and am surprised that I still find myself commenting on it.  I guess its because thats all there is on the internet nowadays until after the election.  In all honesty, it looks like Obama will win and I definitely wish no ill will on the man.  I would never advocate the death of anyone, and certainly not our president.  And I'm with you when you say that you'd hate to see that horse down Penn. Ave.  I hope that he can turn things around. Lord knows we need it after the debacle that was George W. Bush.  I would not have too high of hopes, however.  Regardless who's ultimately elected, there's just no way to get out of an $11 trillion dollar national debt. We are merely biding our time until the final crash and burn.
As far as my chosen candidate, he was out of the presidential race early on.  I am neither an Obama nor a McCain supporter.  Therefore, I will be throwing a protest vote for president which will ultimately help Obama.  I will then vote for congressional leaders that can hopefully prevent the erosion of our constitutional freedoms and keep me from being taxed out of my home.
As far as meeting me on a dark night, no need to worry.  If you were to ever meet me, it would be because I was there to help.

Thank you for that.  And if I needed help and you offered; I'd accept.  Check back later to this article; I may want to give you the courtesy of a full response but I've got to get ready for church now (I am the church clerk/pastor's secretary and on the worship team, so I 'spose I oughta get there somewhere close to on time) {giggle} and I only have one lung so it takes me a bit longer to get everything done.  I was slow before this little inconvenience but I'm REALLY slow now but once I get moving; I'm cooking with gas. 

God's blessings to our country, our posters, our candidates and to you Mr. Black and Wheeler. 

I do thank you for the civility.  I like the digs and jabs, but when it gets......  but that is now water under the bridge.  And, oh, btw, with this bum lung; I'd probably need more help than even I know, but it's all good.  smile, giggle, ha!

Everyone have a wonderful day and a great time posting.  Let's see what else the media will give us to rumble about.  :)

Ron:

I'm glad you want no ill to come to Obama. Would you prefer we start over from the comments above or not?

Thank you for that.  And if I needed help and you offered; I'd accept.  Check back later to this article; I may want to give you the courtesy of a full response but I've got to get ready for church now (I am the church clerk/pastor's secretary and on the worship team, so I 'spose I oughta get there somewhere close to on time) {giggle} and I only have one lung so it takes me a bit longer to get everything done.  I was slow before this little inconvenience but I'm REALLY slow now but once I get moving; I'm cooking with gas. 

God's blessings to our country, our posters, our candidates and to you Mr. Black and Wheeler. 

I do thank you for the civility.  I like the digs and jabs, but when it gets......  but that is now water under the bridge.  And, oh, btw, with this bum lung; I'd probably need more help than even I know, but it's all good.  smile, giggle, ha!

Everyone have a wonderful day and a great time posting.  Let's see what else the media will give us to rumble about.  :)

1. Act always with dignity and respect, even when acting toughly. Understand before speaking, avoid inflammatory speech at all costs. Seek the agreement of allies before plunging ahead. And always, always, be certain that decisions of consequence are backed by reliable, cross-checked intelligence.
2. Reach out with compassion, understand before you react with fear, hate and violence. Never rise to the occasion.
3. Broaden the opportunities for all. Invest in developing the industries of tomorrow. Actively train and employ the underprivileged, and provide incentives for education.
4. Regulate the behaviors that led to the collapse of the financial system. The market does not effectively regulate itself. 5. See point three above. Reward excellence in teachers. Encourage more to enter that noble profession. Make quality education more accessible to the previously disenfranchised.
6. Actively seek out acquaintances from the groups you may fear. We are all cut from the same cloth, so to speak. Despite different colors, heights, ethnic backgrounds, sexual orientations, faiths -- we are the same people. Always praise tolerance, and always condemn hate and bias.

Just a few suggestions.....

The greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.-Barack Obama

Can somebody explain to me how you can engender racism that threatens death against a white man?

Gotta head out the door, Scott, but do a Google search on "The Zebra Killings" and "Yahweh bin Yahweh".  CrimeLibrary website has good information on these.  While you are there, do a search on Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.  WOW!  And we though James Byrd was treated poorly.  Wait until you read the torture that 5 blacks put 2 white college students through.  And this happened in 2007.  I wonder why the media didn't make a big deal out of this crime like they did the West Virginia black lady tortured by whites a few months later.  Very similar treatment, other than the fact that the black lady lived while the TWO white kids died.  But I digress.  Lastly, look up The Wichita Massacre and read the details.

In these you will find cases where white people were targeted because of the color of their skin, then died at the hands of blacks.  There are many other cases as well, but I don't have time and could not possibly list them all.  Safe is to say that if we are to all get along, 21st century blacks need to do their part as well and drop the inner anger thing.  We will never make it as long as one race is bending over backwards to appease and the other never acknowledges their attempts to right past wrongs.  So it is everyones responsibility, if unity is truly desired.  And that means calling out the black brothers and sisters that make derogatory comments about whites, just as Doyle did with me.  I don't see blacks chastising their own.  I heard nobody stand up in Trinity United and chistise Rev Wright.  What I heard was alot of cheering.  So, no double standards and no excuse making for the Trinity United's out there.  Whats good for one race is good for the other. Because if double standards are allowed, as they are now,  some in the one race will eventually get tired of it.  This is where many whites are now.

We will never make it as long as one race is bending over backwards to appease and the other never acknowledges their attempts to right past wrongs.

Ron, you've got some serious problems. So what you're saying is by not lenching African Americans that's bending over backwards. I don't know if you didn't know this, but YOUR SUPPOSE TO TREAT EVERYONE WITH REPSECT... IT'S NOT A FAVOR!!!!... IT'S WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO DO!!!!

I don't see blacks chastising their own.  I heard nobody stand up in Trinity United and chistise Rev Wright.  What I heard was alot of cheering.  So, no double standards and no excuse making for the Trinity United's out there.  Whats good for one race is good for the other. Because if double standards are allowed, as they are now,  some in the one race will eventually get tired of it.  This is where many whites are now.

You don't see it because you aren't looking. As for Reverend Wright, while some of his tin foil consipiracies were definately off base, his anger and the place for which is comes is justified. But I guess trying to understand where he's coming from is "bending over backwards" so unfortunately you'll never understand.

Ron:

If, indeed, Barack Obama is elected POTUS then I think you may see that anger start to wane and slip away because many black people may feel they have finally cleared the final hurdle to equality: the elected leader of the country is a black man.

Also, there are white people that criticize the lack of a black nuclear family and how many black men make babies but don't raise them. Obama has firmly addressed that and said directly that they must be more responsible. So, I think if any white person argues this they should vote for Obama because he can make that argument far more persuasively than any white person could. Possibly even more effectively than Bill Cosby since he would be the country's leader.

On a side note, I would point out that the cases you highlighted involving black-on-white crime were investigated. For 400 years, lynching was treated as a sport in the South. It was rarely investigated and never prosecuted. At least those white victims got their day in court and that is a comfort that a great many black victims never had.

How can we all move forward when one race insists on looking back?  And in some instances, 400 years into the past.

Answer:  We can't.  Until this anger over historical grievances are laid to rest against citizens that had nothing to do with the sad chapter in our history, we can not move forward.  Whites have TRIED to remedy these past wrongs and many blacks have benefited.  Some chose instead to live in the past instead of taking the opportunities that they have had since before I was even born.  This is the "bending over backwards" that I was referring to.  Affirmative action, minority set-asides, minority hiring quotas, minority contract set-asides, and on it goes.  Many blacks are successful in this society, therefore the ones that do not succeed are because of their own poor choices in life.  Just as whites that don't succeed are to blame for their own shiftlessness and lack of motivation.

The day that the Rev. Wrights and their ilk stop perpetually reminding new generations of blacks how evil whites were and still are, is the day blacks will see that most whites truly hold no ill will towards them.  Preaching this crap to 21st century blacks does nothing for them other than to build anger into someones heart that otherwise would have never been angry. 

Ron:

You don't see much black anger in the under-30 set... as we move forward and there are not generations that received the treatment that Wright's generation did I think that new bonds will be forged and peaces will be made.

Scott,

But there is definitely WAY too much anger out there in the under 30-set, and most of it is not due to their own lifes experiences.  Its due to the older generation, such as the Jeremiah Wright's, constantly reminding these young people how things were in the past.  Black preachers (and politicians such as Rep. John Lewis) constantly "sow the seeds of hatred".  It's like they don't WANT to get along with whites, and they don't want the next generation to do so either.  Stirring the racial pot to keep animosity alive. 

How else does Jeremiah Wright fill his church to such capacity?  And how many parents bring their young children to sit in the pews and listen to all the Jeremiah Wright's as they vent their "truths"?  Obviously Barack and Michelle Obama did.  Even if their comments, made in 2008 America, have a hint of truth in them, their words are deeeeepppp and should not be planted into the young, impressionable ears of those children that attend and who must try to make their way in 21st centrury, multicultural America.

I agree with you that new bonds can be forged and peace can be made, but only if the Jeremiah Wright's, found in virtually every city in America, are repudiated and discredited every time they attempt to remind younger generations that they have a justified reason to hate whites.  Unfortunately, no black (whites can't do it because most are petrified of the being labeled a "racist") seems willing to stand up against them and tell them that what they are doing is just plain wrong and does not foster this peace and unity between the races that many aspire to achieve.

If a white preacher were to preach to his church of the present black crime rate and how this negatively affects whites everyday, the Doyle Wheeler's of the world would be picketing this church with charges of racism and divisiveness.  When will the (black) Doyle Wheelers's begin to speak out against their own?  Other than Barack Obama (and only after 20 years, when it suddenly became politically necessary to do so), nobody in the so-called black community has stood up and said, "Enough"!

"Character is not defined by what someone does when all eyes are upon them, but rather what they do when nobody is watching."   --- Anonymous