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Social Security checks are going up $63 a month for the typical retiree — the largest increase in more than a quarter century but likely to seem puny to the millions who have been watching in horror as Wall Street lays waste to their retirement nest eggs.

Every little bit helps, but the boost is coming after a year when people living on fixed incomes have been pounded by surging energy prices and higher food costs — and lately have been seen their lifetime savings shrivel along with the stock market.

The yearly adjustment in Social Security checks is linked to government inflation figures, but advocacy groups for seniors say it's far short of what the typical retiree needs to keep up with rising living costs.

The Senior Citizens League said it did a study that indicated people 65 and over have lost 51 percent of their buying power since 2000, with the price of home heating oil and gasoline more than doubling since the beginning of the decade and such food staples as eggs and potatoes showing big increases as well.

"Although the word crisis gets thrown around a lot in our national dialogue, there's no other word to describe it. Millions of our nation's seniors are facing an economic crisis," says Daniel O'Connell, the league's chairman.

Adds Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com: "Most households will take any cash they can get in these very difficult times when seniors have been panicked watching the fall in stock prices and what is happening to banks where many of them have their CDs."

The 5.8 percent increase announced Thursday by the Social Security Administration will go to the 50 million Americans receiving benefits. It is the biggest jump since the 7.4 percent of 1982. The $63 typical monthly increase compares to the $24 advance that retirees saw in this year's benefit checks, an increase of just 2.3 percent and the smallest in four years.

The typical retiree's monthly check will go from $1,090 to $1,153.

The upcoming help for the retirees should help the faltering economy as well, assuming they spend much or all of the additional money.

"It gives people a little extra spending power that they can take to the shopping mall," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's Corp.

Retirees will also be getting help from falling gasoline prices, which had surged earlier in the year but now are falling sharply.

In another break for most retirees, the cost of living increase will not be eaten up by higher monthly premiums for the part of Medicare that pays for physician services. Because of gains in the Medicare Part B trust fund, that premium will hold steady at $96.40 a month, although higher-income people including couples making more than $170,000 annually will see their premiums increase.

In some unwelcome news for millions of people who have not yet retired, the government also announced Thursday that the maximum amount of earnings subject to the Social Security tax will increase next year to $106,800, from $102,000 this year.

Of the 164 million workers who will pay Social Security taxes in 2009, about 11 million will pay higher taxes as a result of this increase.

The newly announced cost-of-living benefit will go to more than 55 million Americans. More than 50 million receive Social Security benefits, while the rest get Supplemental Security Income payments for the poor.

For an average couple, with both getting Social Security benefits, monthly checks will go up by $103 a month, to $1,876.

The average monthly Supplemental Security Income payment, which goes to the needy, will increase for an individual from $637 a month to $674. The average monthly check for a disabled worker will go from $1,006 to $1,064.

Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain have sparred over Social Security during the presidential campaign, although neither has provided much insight into how he would fix the government's largest entitlement program, which is facing severe strains with the upcoming retirement of 78 million baby boomers.

If no changes are made, the Social Security trust fund is projected to deplete its reserves in 2041 and will begin paying out more than it collects in benefits even sooner, starting in 2017.

As for people's other arrangements, the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Americans' retirement plans have lost as much as $2 trillion over the past 15 months — more than 20 percent of their value — because of all the market turbulence.

The Social Security increase is based on changes in the Labor Department's Consumer Price Index in the July-September quarter compared with the same period a year earlier.

That figure also triggers increases for retired federal workers. Federal retirees covered by the Civil Service Retirement System will see their benefits increase by 5.8 percent, while employees hired in 1984 or later will get a 4.8 percent increase.

(This version CORRECTS Wyss' affiliation to Standard & Poors from Moody's Economy.com in 10th graf.)

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{"commentId":3519509,"authorDomain":"travelbizcash"}

Obama will give seniors earning under $50 a year a tax break
Obama is the candidate that will help poor to middle class seniors.

Mccain only helps wealthy seniors

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Reply#1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:14 AM EDT
{"commentId":3523214,"authorDomain":"widemoto"}

The SS increase better than nothing but is still behind the higher rate of inflation that's about to hit soon. It's probably a stab at trying restore confidence in spending but $63 monthly isn't going to buy much more, it has to be at least doubled to make any real difference for seniors that are really struggling to survive.

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Reply#2 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
{"commentId":3524808,"authorDomain":"tylerme721"}

Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain have sparred over Social Security during the presidential campaign, although neither has provided much insight into how they would fix the government's largest entitlement program, which is facing severe strains with the upcoming retirement of 78 million baby boomers.

If no changes are made, the Social Security trust fund is projected to deplete its reserves in 2041 and will begin paying out more than it collects in benefits even sooner, starting in 2017.

Kinda makes old Al Gore's "LOCK-BOX" look kinda good after GW, huh?

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Reply#3 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
{"commentId":3524976,"authorDomain":"Lyn-307031"}

Sen McCain is rich by marriage, so he is looking out for the top 1%!!!!! Sen Obama is looking out for the rest of us, thank goodness.

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Reply#4 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:38 AM EDT
{"commentId":3532859,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

I know a lady down the hall who makes 800.00 a year from social security.  She now weighs around 80 pounds.  Luckily she's so sick that sshe's not hungry very often.  She worked into her 70s.

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#4.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":3534549,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

Sorry correction a month not a year.

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#4.2 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
{"commentId":3536652,"authorDomain":"zdrakes"}

Social Security does not make the golden years a time of luxury, but it does maintain a degree of personal  dignity during a time of ineluctable physical decline. Those who would put this fund to increased risk just don't get it.

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    #4.3 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3537194,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

    My grandparents felt that FDR was god.  Thanks to him they had survived the depession and were able to buy some great farm land.  Thanks to their bartering and gardening skill (with some chickens, turkeys and ducks plus fishing and hunting) they were able to turn a profit and share food witth their children.  We have lost the simple skills.  Who cans anymore?

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    #4.4 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":3525759,"authorDomain":"prooney9"}

    ·         While corporate greed ran rampant and the cost of food and fuel were skyrocketing, workers were being subjected to 3% increases in pay. I checked the CPI (including energy and food) for the 12 months ending August 2008 and it's nearly at 7%. Labor contracts are being negotiated for cola increases for the next 3 years at 3%. Gone are the days of merit increases. The affordability ratio is out of whack. Recession...inflation...depression. We need a change and until salaries are kept up with the cost of living, it will struggle to happen.

    I recall half way through my working years when I was told by my employer at the time, a corporate giant, that I needed to start funding my own retirement. Also, I was told I needed to start paying part of the once 100% corporate funded healthcare premiums. So the paycheck I am earning is not only used to live for today but also a part of it needs to be put aside to fund my future. And, so came the 401k plan. If you didn't invest in stocks, you were left with a flat portfolio yielding very little interest. How can you retire on that? To add insult to injury, if you're not knowledgeable about investments, etc., well, you're left out in the cold, literally.

    This $750 billion dollar bail out will be paid for by taxpayers. The baby boomers are the taxpayers. Now that they have started retiring, this burden will be left to the next generation. And how will they be able to afford that in addition to funding the boomers' social security benefits and Medicare?

    The next President needs to make changes in the way Corporate America does business. I'm tired of throwing my hard earned money their way for my retirement while they live fat and high on the hog. Enough already!

    {"commentId":3525759,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"prooney9"}
      Reply#5 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
      {"commentId":3525776,"authorDomain":"prooney9"}

      ·         While corporate greed ran rampant and the cost of food and fuel were skyrocketing, workers were being subjected to 3% increases in pay. I checked the CPI (including energy and food) for the 12 months ending August 2008 and it's nearly at 7%. Labor contracts are being negotiated for cola increases for the next 3 years at 3%. Gone are the days of merit increases. The affordability ratio is out of whack. Recession...inflation...depression. We need a change and until salaries are kept up with the cost of living, it will struggle to happen.

      I recall half way through my working years when I was told by my employer at the time, a corporate giant, that I needed to start funding my own retirement. Also, I was told I needed to start paying part of the once 100% corporate funded healthcare premiums. So the paycheck I am earning is not only used to live for today but also a part of it needs to be put aside to fund my future. And, so came the 401k plan. If you didn't invest in stocks, you were left with a flat portfolio yielding very little interest. How can you retire on that? To add insult to injury, if you're not knowledgeable about investments, etc., well, you're left out in the cold, literally.

      This $750 billion dollar bail out will be paid for by taxpayers. The baby boomers are the taxpayers. Now that they have started retiring, this burden will be left to the next generation. And how will they be able to afford that in addition to funding the boomers' social security benefits and Medicare?

      The next President needs to make changes in the way Corporate America does business. I'm tired of throwing my hard earned money their way for my retirement while they live fat and high on the hog. Enough already!

      {"commentId":3525776,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"prooney9"}
        Reply#6 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
        {"commentId":3525839,"authorDomain":"prooney9"}

        ·         While corporate greed ran rampant and the cost of food and fuel were skyrocketing, workers were being subjected to 3% increases in pay. I checked the CPI (including energy and food) for the 12 months ending August 2008 and it's nearly at 7%. Labor contracts are being negotiated for cola increases for the next 3 years at 3%. Gone are the days of merit increases. The affordability ratio is out of whack. Recession...inflation...depression. We need a change and until salaries are kept up with the cost of living, it will struggle to happen.

        I recall half way through my working years when I was told by my employer at the time, a corporate giant, that I needed to start funding my own retirement. Also, I was told I needed to start paying part of the once 100% corporate funded healthcare premiums. So the paycheck I am earning is not only used to live for today but also a part of it needs to be put aside to fund my future. And, so came the 401k plan. If you didn't invest in stocks, you were left with a flat portfolio yielding very little interest. How can you retire on that? To add insult to injury, if you're not knowledgeable about investments, etc., well, you're left out in the cold, literally.

        This $750 billion dollar bail out will be paid for by taxpayers. The baby boomers are the taxpayers. Now that they have started retiring, this burden will be left to the next generation. And how will they be able to afford that in addition to funding the boomers' social security benefits and Medicare?

        The next President needs to make changes in the way Corporate America does business. I'm tired of throwing my hard earned money their way for my retirement while they live fat and high on the hog. Enough already!

        {"commentId":3525839,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"prooney9"}
          Reply#7 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
          {"commentId":3526133,"authorDomain":"venus8found"}

          I know someone who had 2 serious strokes since last year leaving her disabled and unable to ever return to work.  She is not yet at the retirement age, but she is close.  She gets social security disability now, but it is not as much as listed in this article.  Will she get an increase as well?

          {"commentId":3526133,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"venus8found"}
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          Reply#8 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
          {"commentId":3530816,"authorDomain":"sha-1"}

          She should, and under Sen. Obamas plan if she makes 50K or less, she will NOT have to file for taxes. I wish her well.

          {"commentId":3530816,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"sha-1"}
            #8.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":3526273,"authorDomain":"Mississippi-River-Rat"}

             This increase is sorely needed, coming from  someone who receives  S.S benifits and S.S. I.
            I  receive about 650 dollars a month myself. 56 dollars of that is Social Security Sumplemental Insurance, ( what you get if you poor) along with yor regular monthly check. Even at 5.6% raise, it is still going to be hard to make ends meet.
            And it doesnt matter currently whose idea this was or wasnt. If they really wanted to help  us out, do it now and make it a higher percentage rate, get us up there within a normal stanard of living.
            People who get SS and SSI  make up alot of the poor in this country.  And most , like myself cant afford to do much and often times we have nothing left to last through out the month till we get our next check.
             Some would say, Ok go see if your eligible for any state assistance, well ,  I am one who has tried , I am eligible for a whopping 21 bucks a month in food stamp help.
             Most every other person who recieves SS is in the same boat as I am.

            {"commentId":3526273,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"Mississippi-River-Rat"}
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            Reply#9 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
            {"commentId":3526339,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}

            NEXT IS UNEMPLOYMENT AND THEN WELLFARE AND OBAMA WILL BE HE PRESIDENT WE ARE ALL EXPECTING. SAY GOODBYE TO THE MIDDLE CLASS AND HELLO TO THE NEW AMERFRICA.

            {"commentId":3526339,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
              Reply#10 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
              {"commentId":3527216,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}

              M

              {"commentId":3527216,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
                #10.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
                {"commentId":3528287,"authorDomain":"artisan3m"}

                Aldo, you seem to be a very bitter person.  You claim to be stating facts ~ so where is the uncontroverted evidence that Obama is a terrorist?  There is none, and you know this.  Moreover, I find your own rabid racism to be obnoxious on its face.  If you do not support Obama for substantive reasons, so be it ~ and you will be respected for your position.  But the supposition and imaginary reasons you offer render your argument specious and deny you any respectability that might issue except from someone with what I perceive to be your own bigotted mindset. 

                {"commentId":3528287,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"artisan3m"}
                  #10.2 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":3531040,"authorDomain":"sha-1"}

                  Aldo, Mccain can't even bring himself to say middle class. While Mccain plans tax cuts for Exxon: http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/08/californians_ar.html , Obama has planed tax cust if you make under $250K a year, which IS the middle class. Please caculate for your own home:

                  http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

                  Who would you rather give a tax cut to Exxon-Mobile or Aldo? I pick Aldo.

                  {"commentId":3531040,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"sha-1"}
                    #10.3 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":3526962,"authorDomain":"venus8found"}

                    What a racist remark..

                    {"commentId":3526962,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"venus8found"}
                      Reply#11 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":3527110,"authorDomain":"Mississippi-River-Rat"}

                      I would have to agree.

                      {"commentId":3527110,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"Mississippi-River-Rat"}
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                      #11.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":3527247,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}

                      SEE IF YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY IN SIX MONTHS. IF YOU WANT TRUE RACISM LISTEM TO YOUR BLACK LEADERS SHARPTON AND JACKSON. I AM JUST POINTING OUT THE FACTS. IF THE PEOPLE PUT THE BEST MAN IN THAT IS FINE WITH ME. THERE ARE MORE BLACK VOTERS VOTING NOW THAN EVER IS HISTORY AND THEY DO NOT CARE THAT HE IS A TERRORIST AND THEIF THEY ARE ONLY LOOKING AT SKIN COLOR AND HOW HE WILL HELP BLACK AMERICA. THAT IS RACISM!!!

                      {"commentId":3527247,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
                        #11.2 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":3528481,"authorDomain":"artisan3m"}

                        Multiple postings of this grossly prejudiced comment will not bring it credibility, Aldo B.  Good luck with your bitterness. 

                        {"commentId":3528481,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"artisan3m"}
                          #11.3 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":3529097,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}

                          For anyone thinking of voting for McCain and Palin...

                          Consider who you are "Palling Around" with..... Aldo B

                          {"commentId":3529097,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"earldgray"}
                            #11.4 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":3538195,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

                            Palin is the worst vice presidential candidate in history.  She has no idea of what being next in line to be president entails.

                            {"commentId":3538195,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"jade-log"}
                              #11.5 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":3527934,"authorDomain":"venus8found"}

                              That is ignorance... educate yourself.  Who cares if there are more black Americans voting than any other time in history?  What should we do.. go back to not allowing them to vote, hey while we're at it, take my right as a WOMAN away from me to vote.  Obama is not a terrorist and thief.  Where is your proof?  Cite your sources... I would be interested in knowing where you get your information. 

                              {"commentId":3527934,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"venus8found"}
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                              Reply#12 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":3528607,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}

                              CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHERE ALL OF HIS MONEY NOW AND IN THE PAST CAME FROM? AND IF HER WERE NOT A THIEF HE WOULD NOT BE IN POLITICS. EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE THAT IS THE AMERICAN WAY, BUT IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR A PERSON JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLANK THAT IS RACISM TOO. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE FACTS JUST LISTEN TO THE NEWS AND LOOK ON THE INTERNET. IT IS GOOD THAT YOU WANT TO DEFEND YOUR RACE, BUT LETS REMEMBER YOU WERE ALL WILLING TO RIOT IF OJ WAS CONVICTED AND LOOK WHERE THAT ENDED UP. THERE ARE PLENTY OF WHITE CRIMINALS ALSO WE JUST CHOOSE NOT TO SUPPORT THEM AND PUT THEM ON A PEDISTOOL.

                              {"commentId":3528607,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
                                #12.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":3529086,"authorDomain":"artisan3m"}

                                Aldo, I'm as white as a bed sheet, so Im not voting my "color" nor am I putting anyone on a pedistool  ~ whatever the hell that is.  I fail to see where Obama is a "criminal" ~ to my knowledge and belief, he has never been accused of any crime.  He has never been accused of ethics violations or official misconduct ~ as has both McCain and Palin.  I don't think I have any interest in listening to the news you are relying on for your rampant tirade ~ for clearly you are being misled ~ and what's more, you seem to be enjoying it.

                                I am finished with you. Best wishes for the miserable future you seem to be hoping for.

                                {"commentId":3529086,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"artisan3m"}
                                  #12.2 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":3529173,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}

                                  Aldo... There is a key on the keyboard called CAPS LOCK.....

                                  {"commentId":3529173,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"earldgray"}
                                    #12.3 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":3531830,"authorDomain":"rainkiss"}

                                    Aldo...  By your statement, ALL politicians are thieves?  I'm trying to understand you, here, is that what you're really saying?

                                    Obama was a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago for 12 years.  (His job title was "senior lecturer" and the university states that he was a professor.)  I work at a university that HAS a law school, and let me tell you, they do make a lot. 

                                    UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

                                    My source for the above: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

                                    He gets a salary, I presume, as a state Senator, and his wife works for a respected hospital.  Your presumption that he's a thief is highly offensive, and your assumption that people are voting for and defending him just due to his race is more so.

                                    Please, for those of us who are trying to read your posts, don't use all caps, DO use the spell check, as your posts stand they are difficult to read.

                                    {"commentId":3531830,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"rainkiss"}
                                      #12.4 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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                                      {"commentId":3528246,"authorDomain":"venus8found"}

                                      BTW, Speaking out about a race's hardships and trials is not racism. 

                                      {"commentId":3528246,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"venus8found"}
                                        Reply#13 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":3528813,"authorDomain":"artisan3m"}

                                        I'll be delighted to receive a 5.8% increase in my SS check.  Previous increases have been eaten up with an hike in Medicare premiums ~ so this time I may actually realize an net increase instead of a wash-out.  No, it will not be sufficient to offset actual realized inflation, but every dollar helps to defray price increases and those interminable "fees."

                                        {"commentId":3528813,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"artisan3m"}
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                                        Reply#14 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":3529283,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}

                                        For the record.... Regarding the "capital gains" tax that Mr. McCain wants to cut in half...

                                        Currently 70% of all capital gains tax is paid by people making over $1 Million a year...

                                        You should be able to figure out the rest......

                                        http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/

                                        {"commentId":3529283,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"earldgray"}
                                          Reply#15 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":3529538,"authorDomain":"venus8found"}

                                          I would also like to add that I am white and know many white Americans supporting Obama.  I cannot stand the fact that many vote for someone based on their skin color or as in the primaries, their gender.  There are many of all races and genders that will not even look at all the issues, just go by the race or gender and as a matter of fact, after Hillary and John Edwards did not win the dem nomination they chose McCain just because he's white, so... I guess what you are saying can go both ways, but you cannot blame the candidates for that.

                                          {"commentId":3529538,"threadId":"390208","contentId":"2004771","authorDomain":"venus8found"}
                                            Reply#16 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":3531179,"authorDomain":"sha-1"}

                                            MCCAIN'S TIES WITH EXXON

                                            MCCAIN WANTS TO GIVE $1.2 BILLION IN TAX BREAKS TO EXXON DESPITE HUGE PROFITS

                                            Exxon Mobil Posted a Record $11.68 Billion in Earnings in the 2nd Quarter. "Exxon Mobil Corp. posted second-quarter earnings of $11.68 billion, once again topping its own record for the biggest three-month profit ever by a U.S. corporation… Exxon's second-quarter net income was 14% higher than the $10.26 billion it earned in the same quarter last year." [Los Angeles Times, 8/1/08]

                                            McCain's Corporate Tax Cut Would Save Exxon Mobil $1.2 Billion. According to the Center For American Progress' Analysis, Exxon/Mobil would save as much as $1.2 Billion under McCain's corporate tax cut. "The centerpiece of Sen. McCain's plan to stimulate the economy -- actually, the whole plan)-- is large tax cuts for corporations. It would deliver $3.8 billion in tax cuts to the five largest American oil companies, according to an analysis released today by the Center for American Progress Action Fund." [Work Room, Thinkprogress.org, 3/27/2008]

                                            EXXON'S PAC AND EMPLOYEES GAVE ALMOST $55,000 TO McCAIN

                                            McCain Received Almost $55,000 in Contributions from Exxon Employees and Exxon's PAC. McCain received $54,336 in contributions from Exxon Mobil employees and its PAC. [Political Moneyline, Accessed: 8/5/08]

                                            MCCAIN'S TOP CONGRESSIONAL STAFFER WAS AN EXXON LOBBYIST

                                            McCain Staffer-Turned Lobbyist-Turned McCain Senate Chief of Staff Mark Buse Lobbied for Exxon. In early 2008, McCain hired as his Senate chief of staff Mark Buse, who had served as McCain's staff director on the Commerce Committee "in the late 1990s and early 2000s," and who was until fall 2007 "a lobbyist for ML Strategies." From 2006 until 2007, Buse lobbied the federal government on behalf of Exxon Mobil, earning his firm $560,000 in lobbying fees from the oil giant. Buse lobbied on issues pertaining to renewable fuels, the energy savings act, climate stewardship act, climate change, cap & trade, and S.3711, the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act. [ML Strategies/Exxon Lobbying Disclosures, Senate Office of Public Records; Washington Post, 2/22/08]

                                            Donatelli Lobbied on Behalf of Exxon in 1999.
                                            Donatelli lobbied for Exxon in 1999 on "educational efforts pursuant to merger activities." At the time Exxon was in the middle of an $82 billion merger with Mobil Exxon paid his firm $780,000 in lobbying fees for the year. [Exxon Lobbying Disclosures, Senate Office of Public Records]


                                            Who would you rather give a tax cut to Exxon-Mobile or yourself?

                                            http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

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                                              Reply#17 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3531738,"authorDomain":"stanton-carol"}

                                              I for one am happy, I had to retire early to care for my husband who is disabled.  I am 64 next yr 65.  My family who have health prob of their own (staph infect/cancer) are paying for my health insurance, God Bless Them Ten Fold.  The seniors have it bad now, utilities are going up up, food is so expensive, transportation, almost impossible.  Perscrip medication, co pays for doctors, then there is the DONUT WHOLES, where seniors have to pay full price for their medication that has no generic, (why are there no generic's?? so Pharc can make big bucks thats why).  God, the seniors need big help.  They are trying to hang on to their homes too...something they worked their whole life for.  They cannot be bailed out like the Crooks on Wall Street, or the BANKS....so if they get a raise, dont begrudge them...God knows they need it.  WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT PRIVITIZE SOCIAL SECURITY, IT WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR SENIORS....AND IF YOU THINK THE COUNTRY HAS PROBLEMS NOW, WAIT....SENIORS DO NOT WANT PRIVITIZATION, SO SOME CROOKED CEO'S CAN DIP THEIR GREEDY LITTLE HANDS INTO THEIR MONEY THEY PUT IN THEIR WHOLE LIFES....NO WAY ....I SAY IF YOUR A SENIOR VOTE DEMOCRATIC, BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS JUST DONT CARE.

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                                              Reply#18 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3532442,"authorDomain":"Mississippi-River-Rat"}

                                              HEAR HEAR!!! I am vigorously appluading you and what you have said. I agree one hundred fold.

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                                              #18.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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                                              {"commentId":3532278,"authorDomain":"rainkiss"}

                                              Oh, for those of you keeping score...

                                              Social Security Wage Base Rises to $106,800 in 2009
                                              The Social Security Administration (SSA) announced on Thursday, October 16, 2008, that the 2009 social security wage base will be $106,800, an increase of $4,800 from the 2008 wage base of $102,000. As in prior years, there is no limit to the wages subject to the Medicare tax; therefore, all covered wages are still subject to the 1.45% tax.

                                              The FICA tax rate, which is the combined social security tax rate of 6.2% and the Medicare tax rate of 1.45%, remains at 7.65% for 2009. The maximum social security tax employees and employers will each pay in 2009 is $6,621.60. This is an increase of $297.60 from the 2008 maximum of $6,324.00.

                                              (My apologies, I can't link the source, it's an e-mail I received from the American Payroll Association.)

                                              Translation, if you make less than $102,000, you'll pay more into Social Security, up to $297.60 for 2009.  They did NOT increase the rate at which taxes will be withheld, so anyone who makes under $102k will see no difference.

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                                              Reply#19 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3534923,"authorDomain":"rear-engine"}

                                              First I want to say AMEN to

                                              -- Big Deal - SS is taxed on 75% of what one draws. Then if one has additional income the tax on the two with a tax increase will probably really mean the person winds up with less money. SS was never supposed to have been taxed when it was set up. Also LBJ took 11 billion out and paid on war debt. Richard Nixon added first taxable amount. Then Bill Clinton increased that 25%. In the meantime Ronald Reagan took 243 Billion (if my memory is correct) and put in the General Fund plus all future paid in SS so Republicans could blow it. Now we want all our money put back and taxes removed. Why bail out bankers that have caused their own problem. Put our money back first is the message to congress and all. Republicans expecting a vote from this forget it and Democrats that voted the 700B plus joke. Clean out Washington and vote paper ballot so it can be counted, Since the Elected and those under civil service have their own retirement and many do not pay SS until after retirement then they go into farming or some type business and pay maximum SS in for 3 or 5 years then draw the Maximum. This should be stopped for everyone. Clean out Washington and vote paper ballot so it can be counted accurately. Computers can be made to do anything. Just ask a whiz kid. We seniors need to organize and take the recovery of SS plus interest to court. Surely there are some senior lawyers that would help. United we Stand Divided we Fall  Bring our troops home.   Repeal HB-1066 and Senate sister bill.

                                              Do not forget the most important thing is take back this country vote paper ballot.

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                                                Reply#20 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":3535469,"authorDomain":"MikeSchofield"}

                                                It is commonly believed just like this article states, Social Security will begin paying out more money then it is bringing in sometime in the near future because of couple of different factors. If the younger American citizens wish to receive the same Social Security benefits retirees enjoy today when they retire or if they become disabled, then taxes must be raised to shore up the Social Security system. If taxes are not raised then we need to reduce the benefit received. It is common sense.

                                                A solution is, we can change the law to prevent anyone that does not put money into Social Security from receiving benefits. However, this would also mean getting rid of survivor benefits and disability benefits for people that don't pay into the system. We can partially privatize the system and allow people to opt out of Social Security if they wish. But they better be sure they understand how to invest the money so they will be able to retire or have something to fall back on if they become permanently disabled.

                                                I personally like the idea of having a saftey net but I don't like paying money into a system that gives money to people that don't contribute. I would rather opt out and take my chances.

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                                                  Reply#21 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":3535753,"authorDomain":"rear-engine"}

                                                  First I want to say AMEN to stanton-carol .

                                                  I put the above in my first comment and evidently it did not get posted because I pasted it.

                                                  Remember vote paper.

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                                                    Reply#22 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":3536475,"authorDomain":"rear-engine"}

                                                    I just thought of another thing on the SS agenda. Senate leader Bill Frisk who sold stock in HCA (a family business) just before it dropped along with Republicans Ripped Medicare to where it pays little. You are now forced to pay for another insurance policy if you can. How much now will Medicare cost go up? The Frisk HCA company was guilty of Medicare Fraud in just a few states that were checked because of a whistle blower. Wonder why all states were not checked? Also they settled through Supreme Court for a token Amount. Where does Conflict of Interest and Insider trading boundaries begin and end? If you get shots or blood test watch out for IC implants so small they can go through the needle.

                                                    Vote Paper Ballot.

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                                                      Reply#23 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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