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Palin's e-mails? That'll be $15 million

Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:00 AM EDT
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msnbc.com News — Bill Dedman, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, campaigns at a rally, Tuesday, Oct. 7, 2008, at The Jacksonville Landing in Jacksonville, Fla.

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— Sarah Palin's office has discovered a renewable resource to bring millions of dollars into Alaska's economy: the governor's e-mails.

The office of the Republican vice-presidential nominee has quoted prices as high as $15 million for copies of state e-mails requested by news organizations and citizens. No matter what the price, most of the e-mails of Palin, her senior staff and other state employees won't be made public until at least several weeks after the Nov. 4 presidential election, her office told msnbc.com on Thursday.

How did the cost reach $15 million? Let's look at a typical request. When the Associated Press asked for all state e-mails sent to the governor's husband, Todd Palin, her office said it would take up to six hours of a programmer's time to assemble the e-mail of just a single state employee, then another two hours for "security" checks, and finally five hours to search the e-mail for whatever word or topic the requestor is seeking. At $73.87 an hour, that's $960.31 for a single e-mail account. And there are 16,000 full-time state employees. The cost quoted to the AP: $15,364,960.

And that's not including the copying costs. Although the e-mails are stored electronically in Microsoft Outlook and on backup servers, and although a blank CD-ROM costs only 41 cents at Capital Office Supply in Juneau, the governor's office says it can provide copies only on paper.

Why? Because lawyers need printouts so they can black out, or "redact," private or exempted information. That task is more difficult because Palin and her senior staff have used government e-mail accounts for some personal correspondence, and personal e-mail accounts for much of their government correspondence. The photocopies of those printouts will be a relative bargain, only 10 cents a page. A state administrator said he understood that such redaction could be done electronically, but that state offices weren't set up to do that.

That process of deleting information is likely to be so lengthy that most requestors won't be able to see the records until well after the next president and vice president are chosen, Palin's office said.

E-mail sent between the governor's staff and their private Yahoo e-mail accounts won't be collected until Oct. 31. Searches will take an additional two weeks, until Nov. 14. And then the legal review of each e-mail will begin. There's no telling how long that will take, because no one knows how many e-mails there are, wrote Linda J. Perez, administrative director for the governor, in a letter she sent to the state attorney general seeking approval for a delay.

A small victory: Copies of the requests themselves
Msnbc.com did receive from Palin's office copies of all the public records requests filed since she was inaugurated, and the replies from the governor's office. Palin took office in December 2006, after seeking office on a platform of clean and transparent government.

The price quotes reveal that Palin's office has repeatedly tried to charge different news organizations the cost to reconstruct the same e-mail accounts of the governor, her senior staff and other employees. Each time an e-mail is requested, the office quotes the same cost of $960.31 for 13 hours to recover and search each employee's e-mails.

NBC's price quote for e-mails sent to Todd Palin: $15 million.

The AP's price for e-mails between state employees and the campaign headquarters of Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain: $15 million.

And the AP again, for e-mails between state employees and the National Park Service (on polar bears, wolves and other topics): $15 million.

The AP's news editor in Anchorage, Mark Thiessen, told msnbc.com he wasn't authorized to say whether the AP, a nonprofit cooperative owned by newspapers, planned to pay the $45 million for e-mails.

You can read all the requests for records, and the responses of Gov. Palin's office in this PDF file.

The employees in the governor's office have been polite and responsive in fulfilling the request by msnbc.com for all the public records requests and replies. The charge was only $37.70 for photocopies, and the administrative coordinator, Michelle Fabrello, dashed out the door to make sure the package got in the overnight mail delivery.

No free passes
Palin's office hasn't always interpreted state law in favor of public access. The Alaska law on public records does not require it to charge any fee for public records, although a fee is allowed if the processing would take five hours or more. The state law says all fees may be waived if the information is used for a public purpose, such as journalism or academic research.

But the governor and the Law Department have been waiving fees only when they are just a few dollars. The state has not been granting requests to waive the fees in the public interest, because it has not been considering those requests.

The records released to msnbc.com show that the state is charging for e-mails at the same hourly rate that it charged before Palin was chosen by McCain on Aug. 29. Only the scale of the requests has changed, and now most requests come from out of state. (State law does not require requestors to be residents.) There are some in-state requests, including the local news organizations, the Democratic party and several citizens. The state employees union, which had filed an ethics complaint against Palin in the inquiry known as Troopergate, was told it would have to pay $88,000 to see e-mails for a list of employees in the governor's office.

Even before interest in Palin went national, large and small news organizations in Alaska have been dissuaded from seeking public records from her administration, because of the cost. Voice of the Times, a conservative online news site, was quoted a price of $1,250 in May to retrieve e-mails from the accounts of two top aides to the governor, Ivy Frye and Frank Bailey. "Please cancel my request for public records," editor Paul Jenkins wrote to the governor's administrator. "We have a limited budget here and paying $1,250 in fees for people who already are on the state payroll is ridiculous." The newspaper announced this week it will shut down at the end of October for lack of money.

A weekly paper, the Anchorage Press, was told it would have to pay $6,500 for e-mails of Palin and three aides relating to the lieutenant governor. The request was withdrawn, with the newspaper offering the apology. ""Hi Linda - wow, that's an expensive request I made," reporter Brendan Joel Kelley wrote to state administrator Linda Perez. "In that case, I definitely don't want to waste 60 hours of the state's resources, whether we had the fee waived or not. Consider the request withdrawn. I had supposed/hoped that an electronic records request would be fairly simple."

A similar situation was settled in Missouri this week. Gov. Matt Blunt agreed to turn over e-mails, at no cost, a year after three news organizations sued for the records. Blunt's office at first had quoted thousands of dollars in fees for the e-mails about his firing of a deputy general counsel. And in New Jersey earlier this year, a state judge ruled against Gov. Jon Corzine, who wanted to keep private his e-mails with a union leader, his ex-girlfriend. Blunt is a Republican, Corzine a Democrat.

State employees overwhelmed
Since Palin was chosen by McCain, state employees have been overwhelmed by hundreds of public records requests sent to the governor's office and other agencies, said Kevin Brooks, deputy commissioner of the state Department of Administration. There's been no attempt to delay release of public records about the governor until after the election, he said. Many records requests have been fulfilled, forming the basis of news stories and online archives such as the one growing at governmentattic.org.

But e-mails have been much slower to emerge through the tight window of nine weeks from Palin's selection until the election.

"I've had my information technology folks working nights and weekends. These people are not doing their regular jobs anymore," Brooks said. "We used to get several records requests for e-mail in a week, or a month. Now it's literally hundreds and hundreds. It's gone exponentially off the charts."

After msnbc.com challenged apparent double billing, Brooks said he was going to try a new approach: assembling the e-mail files a single time, without charging requestors for that time. But that still leaves the search and copying costs.

"Hindsight is 20-20," Brooks said. "If we could do it over again, we would have loaded it all up and done these requests." Still today, he said he was not considering taking a more active approach, posting online for the public all of the governor's e-mails.

Brooks said he was also rethinking that rate of $73.87 an hour. That cost is not the actual salary of any particular employee. At that rate, an employee would be making about $144,000 a year. Instead, the state has been charging the public and news organizations the same rate that the state Enterprise Technology Services group charges other state departments, as a cost-shifting mechanism on state budget forms.

Alaska law does allow the state to charge for an employee's time for recovery of records. Brooks said he thought the actual cost would be between $50 and $60 an hour, including benefits and a share of the department's overhead costs.

As for the estimate of up to five hours to search e-mail for a single word or phrase, Brooks said he was just passing along the estimate from the technical staff.

‘A heckuva lot’ of data
"Why five hours? I've asked repeatedly, and that's what they say it will take," Brooks said. "We're talking about 5 terabytes of compressed data. I don't know what a terabyte is. I just know it's a heckuva lot."

Brooks said the state has Outlook on the desktop computers of employees, and that a search of those e-mails would take only a few seconds. But he said most e-mails are on journal servers, which hold e-mail for many employees, and that older or deleted messages might be on archival servers. "The point is we have three sources. We pull from those three and download to a storage device we can search. The process is not simple."

The courts have given the Palin administration a nudge toward open records. A state judge ruled this week that the state must retrieve public e-mails sent between state accounts and the private e-mail accounts used by the governor and other state employees.

Having a private e-mail account, by itself, is not unusual or unethical, because state employees are forbidden to carry out political activities on government accounts. That's the reason given for Palin's habit of punching away on two separate Blackberry devices. But a citizen request earlier this year yielded hundreds of heavily redacted e-mails from the governor's office, which suggested that Palin and her staff had chosen to move most of their government conversations off the radar, to their Yahoo accounts. News reports then led to public curiosity and the hacking of one of Palin's Yahoo accounts, for which a college student in Tennessee, the son of a Democratic legislator, has been indicted.

Brooks said the state doesn't know yet how much e-mail it can recover from Yahoo, in cases where one state employee on a personal account e-mailed another on a personal account.

But the state probably can recover e-mails sent between government and personal e-mail accounts, he said. At least 18 public records requests have been filed for some or all of those e-mails. The requestors include Mother Jones magazine, the AP, NBC, the Anchorage Daily News, the Juneau Empire, msnbc.com, CNN, the Alaska Democratic Party, and several citizens, including Andree McLeod, whose request for the Yahoo e-mails was upheld by the court. Msnbc.com, for example, sought all e-mails sent or received by the governor and a dozen top aides between their state accounts and the personal e-mail accounts of themselves and others. The request included e-mail sent to Palin's husband, Todd, who has been active in policy and political discussions. The state quoted a price of $11,000 for all the e-mails sought by msnbc.com, which apparently won't be available until after the election.

To respond to those requests, the state is pulling together all the e-mails sent or received by  51 employees, including Palin, her senior staff, members of the Cabinet, the governor's assistants and schedulers, and key staff involved with the pipeline proposed to bring natural gas from Alaska's North Slope, the governor's office said Thursday. It sought the attorney general's approval to delay the search of the e-mails until mid-November. Later Thursday, the attorney general, Talis J. Colberg, sent the requestors a letter offering them a chance to be heard before he rules on that request.

'The hottest thing right now'
Many states have had battles with news organizations and citizens over the fees charged for access to the public's records, particularly for electronic records such as e-mails.

News organizations have often claimed that the fees are used as a tollbooth to discourage requests, and that requests are delayed until interest in a public issue or candidate has long passed.

Federal law is more favorable. The federal Freedom of Information Act will change in January to penalize agencies for delay. After January, if an agency takes more than 20 days to respond to a request, it can't charge any search fees to individual requestors.

Nationally, access to e-mails of government employees "is the hottest thing right now in open government," said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, a nonprofit that helps journalists obtain public records. "Most judges are interpreting the laws that if you use your private e-mail for state business, that's a public record.

"Many public officials thought e-mail was more like a phone call, but it's more like a letter. You type those words, those are like documents. It doesn't matter if you used a piece of paper from your home or stationery from your office. The form doesn't matter."

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Pat Riordan

They are just in a big stall mode.  If they logged on using the password used by Palin to her accounts you can get copies of both sent and received e-mail.  If you want to sort it by name that takes all of about .1 seconds.  This is just plain political bull and for all of her promises of openess it just proves out anther politician's lies

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
mscottring

I think it even says that the work has already been done. They just charge for it again every time someone new asks for it.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
Slowchaos

What? Are you an idiot? You obviously know nothing about data searches on terabytes of data.

Beyond that, where are all the request for all of Biden's emails? I have not seen any mention of P->MSNBC asking for all of his emails!

You want to see an honest politician... I want to see an honest news organization!!!

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
Slowchaos

Double Post

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
mscottring

Maybe:

1) They've asked for them and already received them

2) They're more interested in e-mail related to someone who they know abused her position of power

    #1.4 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:35 PM EDT
    rich-510206

    Pay her office whatever they want and charge the state of Alaska for it.

      #1.5 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:51 AM EDT
      Alykatma

      If one organization bought the emails then posted em online for a fee I bet they would rake in some$$$  if that is legal,  but if they are selling the data,  shouldnt buyer do with it what they want? 

        #1.6 - Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
        Spikegary

        Simple thing is, just because it's in an e-mail, you don't have right to see it. Federal Personal Privact Data Act and othe rlaws are on the books to protect personal information. Each of those has to be reviewed and redacted, if neccessary to comply with state and federal laws before they can be released.

        Oh yeah, 24,199 e-mails were released today. If they want them, then the state or federal government should not have to bite the bullet in labor costs to get it for them.

        At work, I often send e-mails to other people and even to my home accounts to remind me to do something I don't have access to at work.

        • 1 vote
        #1.7 - Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
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        mscottring

        This gives us a pretty good idea of what Palin's idea of "transparency" is.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
        Carol Ann-2461951

        Is anyone interested in Obama's emails?

        • 2 votes
        Reply#3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
        mscottring

        This keeps coming up, sort of shifting the focus away from the subject. But let me ask this, how do you know his e-mails haven't been asked for and delivered? I think the point of this story is they asked for them and they can't get them.

        • 2 votes
        #3.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
        James Lee-367659

        mscottring,
        You have a good point, but so does Carol. 
        I hope you are aware of the most logical reason that the liberal press wants to peek at Palin's e-mails.   They have clearly shown their interest in trying to dig up as much dirt on the governor because of their view of her as a threat to Obama's election.

        Likewise, I hope you are aware of the lack of interest of the liberal press on the same data on Obama or Biden. 

        As far as making it difficult to get the e-mails, I think you are right on.  The citizens of this country have a right to know as much about a candidate as is necessary to make an informed decision in the voting booth.

          #3.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
          rashinal

          Obama isn't under investigation. Nor has Obama been found to have abused the power of an elected position. Nor is Obama suspected of improprieties in is current or previous position.

          But Palin is, and has. And, there are many unanswered questions about her improprieties as Governor with regards to LEGAL matters and how she has handled the duties of her office. 

          By the way, the is no  "liberal media". It's a myth that obviously has influenced your tiny little misinformed brain.

          • 4 votes
          #3.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
          Fran Taylor

          Nobody makes a big deal about it because the Senate's email system is properly run, and people who want Obama's, or Biden's, or any other Senator's email, can get it quickly and easily by submitting a FOIA request. There can be no doubt that reporters like Drudge have done this and found nothing. If they had found ANYTHING it would be ALL OVER the news.   There is NO NEWS about their email because there is no news IN their email.

          • 1 vote
          #3.4 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
          James Lee-367659

          Sorry rashinal but my tiny little misinformed brain is the only one I have and I am forced to use it.  And there are many people who will disagree with your belief that there is no liberal media. 

          • 2 votes
          #3.5 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
          Leo Katz

          rashinal - No he is not under investigation, but there are a lot of  issues with serious security implications well beyond those of firing a State Trooper and some emails.  Despite all the flimsy explanations, both given to and by his devotees, none have been sufficiently explained.  Words just words.   

          You comment about "tiny little misinformed brain" is without a doubt a personal attack and is not very rashinal at all.  I am sure the "Great Leader" would be proud of your blind devotion.

          • 3 votes
          #3.6 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:09 PM EDT
          LeftCoaster64

          Palin is under investigation and she is stonewalling just like Richard Nixon and other Republicans when they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Mavericky indeed!

            #3.7 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
            Juzkruzin

            Probably not. Who wants to read the truth about someone. It is the lies, the missing 19 Million dollars, the building of two useless bridges, things like this people want to read about and see how deep both palin's were in it. She wants 15 million for her e-mails, when a student at a university hacked into her yahoo account aledgedly, which she had switched to for her Government Business Transactions. That is real smart to put your name on a yahoo account and use hockeymom for your pass word. The student has been arrested and released on bail, but I am sure he would sell them for a lot less than 15 million. Didn't take him a month to copy them, alledgedly. How dumb can you be to put all your government business on a Yahoo Account. And in one of her speeches, debate I think, she said her expertise was energy  and National Security. Should they get elected, which I sure hope they don't, where would she put her National Security Material. Move it over to Hot Mail, because they have better security???????? I think she wants the 15 million as a retirement fund, because I am sure Alaska has had it eyes opened on this witch!!

            • 1 vote
            #3.8 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
            Sheri-78

            No one has asked for Obama or Biden's emails...but no one has asked for McCain's either. Why? A.) they have not been under investigation recently [or found in fault of ethics violations recently] and B.) they are not brand-new in the public eye.

            And this "liberal media" thing is REALLY old. I mean, seriously. It reminds me of when kids say, "Well, you're just picking on me" whenever they get in trouble. When Fox News goes after the Obama/Biden campaign, do you ever hear them start boo-hooing about how the big bad TV station is picking on them? No, they know scrutiny comes with the territory and they accept it like adults and move on. The only reason that the "liberal" media is under attack is because they are actually finding things unsavory about Palin. If the media was really out to get McCain and Palin, they would be playing the Keating Five clips all day long and Palin's daughter would have never gotten a reprieve (Fox News certainly had no problem lambasting Jamie Spears so therefore no one else should get special treatment). I keep reading comments about how Obama's so-called intimate relationship with Ayers isn't being scrutinized. Has it ever occurred to you that might be because there is no evidence that there IS anything to be concerned about? I would like to know where this anti-conservative media is because what I am seeing are a bunch of news stations kao taoing to the first person that calls them a name.

            • 1 vote
            #3.9 - Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
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            mscottring

            Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told a fundraiser in Greensboro, North Carolina, on Thursday night:

            "We believe that the best of America is in the small towns that we get to visit, and in the wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard-working, very patriotic, very pro-America areas of this great nation," she said.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#4 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
            dan-405104Deleted
            Ken Pac NW

            alaska is my  next state,can't wait to go.

            While you're in Alaska Dan, you may want to check out the Alaska Independence Party of Todd Palin, you know, the group that is so patriotic that they want to secede from America.

              #4.2 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
              pbrownie-370383

              Whats your point....I live in a small town, and THAT is a very true statement....lemme guess...your from the Bay Area?

                #4.3 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
                Are eh?

                o.k, pb, I live in the Bay Area.  Let's dissect your pointless comment.

                "THAT," as an indefinite pronoun, refers to its immediately preceding noun, which is 'town.'  Thus the phrase "THAT is a very true statement..." means that your living in a small town is true.  Whoop.

                "...your from the Bay Area?" is, of course, also wrong.  The correct word would have been "you're," meaning 'you are' rather than 'your,' indicating possession.  I know it's difficult to explain these subtleties to dolts.

                That you smarmy, pathetic morons equate the words 'Bay Area' with unpatriotic anti-American sentiment only illustrates how misinformed you really are.

                  #4.4 - Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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                  mscottring

                  This just in:

                  Barack Obama scored three high-profile newspaper endorsements Friday, including two from papers that have never endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate before.

                  The Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune and The Washington Post all praised Obama's handling of the grueling presidential campaign and the historical nature of his candidacy as the first black to be the nominee for a major political party. It's the first time either the Times or the Tribune, Obama's historically conservative hometown newspaper, has endorsed a Democrat for the White House.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#5 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
                  dan-405104Deleted
                  bill carli

                      Oh Danny boy, Don't you just wish it was Nov. 5th and you could go back to using your regular racist words?

                    #5.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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                    pbrownie-370383

                    55% of Americans think celebrity endorsements make a positive impact on their candidates hopes........

                    Obama supporters.....

                    Madonna, Ted Danson, Rosie O' Donnell, Sally Field, Jane Fonda, Dennis Hopper, Barbara Streisand.......

                    LOL.......of that 55%, what percentage would want to align themselves with ANY of these people, on ANY issue?

                    (the answer....3%.....I mean, there are absolute retards walking the planet)

                      Reply#6 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
                      Terri from Cali

                      Please do not use the word "retard" as a smear. This is offensive. The use of such a word as a smear speaks volumes about the person using it. Volumes.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
                      mscottring

                      I'm really not sure what this means. It doesn't say that people make any type of decision based on who celebrities endorse. So who cares who they endorse?

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
                      mscottring

                      I've noticed over quite a while now that republicans have some sort of weird fixation on celebrities.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
                      bill carli

                      Hey PBrain, I've 145 IQ, qualify for Mensa, majored in mathematics and computer programming and I would align myself with these people and Obama long before I would with "W", Palin , and MKKKAin or Rush Dim Bulb.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.4 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
                      Andy Blackwood

                      The Traitor Hanoi Jane supports him? OMG, now I know who I'm voting for, I'll write in Joe the Plumber! Some old Marine should cut loose with a nice stream of tobacco juice on both of them!

                        #6.5 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
                        bill carli

                        Hey Andy, why aren't you and Joe in Iraq playing army?  You sposed to be taking some rich boy's place ain'tyah?

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.6 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
                        pbrownie-370383

                        Hey Billy-boy....there is an easy way to quantify someones true intelligence.....the more someone TALKS about how smart they are.....the dumber the person actually is (absolute statistical fact).....just ask Sharon Stone...LOL...she apparantly also, "qualifies" for mensa membership.....funny thing....neither of you ARE actual members....hahaha....your a retar.....oh sorry.....I mean, moron.

                          #6.7 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
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                          Terri from Cali

                          Please do not use the word "retarded" to smear another person. It is offensive. The use of the word "retarded" to smear and belittle someone speaks volumes of the person using the word. Volumes.

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#7 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
                          mscottring

                          His point didn't even have any impact, or make much sense.

                          • 1 vote
                          #7.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
                          James Lee-367659

                          mscottring,

                          Please read your comment 3.1 and apply it to yourself here.

                            #7.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
                            Bob-304573

                            Interesting you were offended by the "retard" reference but not the KKK reference to McCain.  I find them both offensive, but then again, I am fairly open minded.  Even Obama said it was false, yet bloggers keep using it.  After all, I could never vote for some one like Robert Byrd, former head of the KKK in WV, just because he was a Democrat, no more would I have ever voted for that really old Reublican guy (who's name escapes me now that I believe he's dead).  He was both a Democrat with Al Gore's daddy ni the 60's (a "Dixie-crat" I believe they called themselves) and a former head of the Klan in his home state.   And even though I was 7 in 1964, I could never vote for anyone who was against the Civil Rights Act, as many Democrats of the time were.  (31% of Democrats [21] voted against it in the Senate and 37% in the House [91], opposed to 18% Senate [6] and 20% House Rerpublicans [35] were against it.)   

                            • 1 vote
                            #7.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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                            Fran Taylor

                            This is beyond silly. There is NO reason this requires any more than sticking a blank disk an a drive and pushing a button.  There are mail systems out there designed to handle this sort of thing, and there is NO reason why government agencies do not use them.  This is just a racket to gouge the public and discourage access to information. Computers are there to make our lives easier, this is something that has ALREADY BEEN DONE and there is no reason for any manual labor.  If Google can search the entire Internet in seconds, it should be INSTANT to search email.  Think about it.

                            Contrary to one poster above, mail is NOT terabytes of data.  I have an email account that gets hundreds of emails a day.  An archive of five years of this fits easily on one CD-ROM.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#8 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
                            mscottring

                            It's just more of the same from Palin, obstruction and a complete lack of transparency.

                            • 1 vote
                            #8.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
                            Slowchaos

                            You are correct, one archived email account is not terabytes of data. However, you are assuming that Palin's emails are stored in a single archive with just her emails. This may not be the case. You are also assuming that the the data systems in Alaska are set up the way it would be for a large business or corporation. That is hardly the case. I've seen some of these state systems and often they can be quite archaic in their structure.

                            Now that the election is over we have found out the truth about Sarah's "cover up". Oh my god! I can not believe it..... She asked for a state trooper to be fired just because he was consuming alcohol on the job and tasered a teenager against department policy. HOW DARE SHE!!! She should have asked that his service pistol be replaced with a machine gun. Then he would have felt so powerful he would not HAVE to drink on the job.....

                            The real problem is that Sarah pushed through some legislation to make the Alaska State government more responsible to the people and the extreme liberals used that law against her. The came up with any bogus claim they could to get her into court until her legal bills were too much to bear. Maybe she should have forseen this and stipulated in the legislation that if the charges were unfounded then the accuser would have to pay the legal bills for the defender.

                              #8.2 - Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:30 AM EDT
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                              mscottring

                              It's pretty funny when a story comes out demonstrating that Palin doesn't really support transparency all the McCain/Palin supporters seem to want to talk about is Obama.

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                              Reply#9 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
                              shirley-401637

                              I AGREE, PALIN IS A AIR HEAD! AND I WONDER ABOUT MCCAIN!!!!!!

                                #9.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
                                Juzkruzin

                                mscottring: They are just following McCain and Palin. All they talk about is Obama. Instead of laying out a tax policy, a real platform he is running on, the economy, education, middle class, which he never mentioned once in three debates, why he still wants to give Exxon a 4 billion dollar tax cut after they make over 12 billion in profits in both the 1st and 2nd quarter of this year and I hate to see what the $5.00 a gallon for gas gave them in the 3rd quarter. Write and ask McCain and Palin why their main topic is Obama!!

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                                #9.2 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
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                                emmitt

                                Just what could this bubble-headed airhead possible have to say that could cost anywhere NEAR 15 million dollars/????? I'd give her a million just to go back to AK and shut the hell up!

                                  Reply#10 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
                                  emmitt

                                  What in the world could this airhead possible have to say in emails that could be worth anything NEAR $15 million???? I'd give her a million just to go back to AK and shut the hell up!!!

                                    Reply#11 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
                                    Harold-569935

                                    If you remove all but the first three letters of the first word in the press asking for this, you would have the correct designation!

                                      Reply#12 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
                                      Andi-374696

                                      Palin is an interesting character. She uses her femaleness to block criticism and attack. She is truly a scary proposition, because she herself said "I have nothing to lose".

                                        Reply#13 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
                                        Teresa-653165

                                        Has anyone asked for Nobama's email?

                                        I bet not.  You people are incredible, is this all you can throw at Sarah Palin?  This has got to be the most silly news story I have ever heard.  Must be really desparate to sling some mud.

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                                        Reply#14 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
                                        Fran Taylor

                                        Go ahead and ask for Obama's email.  File a FOIA.  The Senate has an excellent email system and you will get the information you ask for ASAP.

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                                        #14.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
                                        James Lee-367659

                                        Fran,

                                        Sounds like a great accessible system, but you didn't grasp the gist of Teresa's question.

                                        Has the liberal press been interested in Obama's e-mails? 

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                                        #14.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
                                        Fran Taylor

                                        You expect me to fall for that?  Ha ha ha, a variation on the old "When did you stop beating your wife?" question.  You need a more modern jokebook.

                                          #14.3 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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                                          Teresa-653165

                                          Where is the discussion about gathering Nobama Insane Bararcks email?

                                          This is the most pathetic smear I have seen to date.  Pretty bad when this is the worst you can get on Palin.

                                          It's like she doesn't hang around with racist preachers, terrorist, etc... not like someone we don't want to know.

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                                          Reply#15 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                                          Doug-297368

                                          Where is the "Fredom of Information Act" in all of this??

                                          AND...The information will not be released until AFTER THE ELECTION.  AND....for up to $15,000,000 ????

                                          Wonder what the Ethics Board of Alaska will think about this once the election is over and she is back in Alaska??

                                            Reply#16 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
                                            Teresa-653165

                                            Where are Husseins emails regarding his friends?  How about his spiritual advisor for 20 years?  What about his wife's speakings at church?  What are they hiding? Are they so afraid of Palin's husband or so desparate to sling mud that the news (ooh so very objective) is spending huge amounts of money for Nobama to sling mud at the Republicans. 

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                                            Reply#17 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
                                            Fran Taylor

                                            We are talking about government-business related email here.  Laws say that these records MUST be available to the public on request. Personal email is a different story.

                                              #17.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
                                              James Lee-367659

                                              Fran,

                                              I am not familiar with the laws you cite, but I certainly agree with the concept that government business related e-mails should be available to the citizens upon request.  after all, we have had many, many politicians over the years who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

                                                #17.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
                                                Fran Taylor

                                                FOIA

                                                  #17.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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                                                  Teresa-653165

                                                  What would you be saying now if Sarah had hung with Ayers?

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                                                  Reply#18 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
                                                  bill carli

                                                  I'd feel a lot better about her.  Of course she does get some cred for belonging to the AIP secessionist group and living for a while in skinhead Nazi areas. 

                                                    #18.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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                                                    Bob-304573

                                                    Why pay that much?  You can just get a Democratic/Obama operative to hack the system.  It is their way, isn't it?  After all, the Obama/Democrat team can play any trick in the name of the chosen one and it's okay, right?  They can even come up with new strategies election to election to hold up Republicans.  Last time, it was Democratic operative following GOP Candidates with video cameras, then getting the tapes IMMEDIATELY on to the nightly news to embarrass the candidate (remember Macacca?).  No such access would ever be given to the GOP, otherwise the people would have heard of Ayers, ACORN, and the rest earlier instead of "Troopergate" and McCain being born in Panama.  2008 - the year journalism and non-partisan reporting died in the US.  (CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, et al = Pravda)

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                                                    Reply#19 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
                                                    Fran Taylor

                                                    Maybe we should ask the NSA, after all, they have EVERYONE's email, right?

                                                    We have heard your smears for MONTHS now, they are just smears and nothing more.  Obama has been running for president for TWO YEARS now.  There has been PLENTY of time to dig up the dirt and you have nothing but vague nothingness.  In case you haven't noticed, the undecided voters are TIRED of this CRAP and they want to hear about the issues instead.

                                                    Come back when you have some REAL evidence of SOMETHING.With Palin, people are acting WITHIN THE LAW to determine information that is EXPLICITLY legislated to be FREELY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

                                                    We elect our public servants and we have EVERY RIGHT to inspect their mail records that pertain to their work.

                                                      #19.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
                                                      Leo Katz

                                                      Fran Taylor - I do believe there are few document a bit of infomation BO could cough up that would resolve some of his issues and cement his role as the true messiah he is believed by many to be.  That would be the easy way to crush the competition once and for all and satisfy the evil Right Wing thirst for blood.   Why not give them the truth right straight up, not double speak or fancy rapping and dispel any notion of improper relationships or associations, anti-American philosophy, racist beliefs, and on and on.  I sure if he did so truthfully and to everyone’s satisfaction in front of the national media that Gov P would gladly make a gratis release of the transcripts herself.  That would be great, but we don't have much time.  Let's start by putting back up some of the web site stuff related to ACORN.

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                                                      #19.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
                                                      Bob-304573

                                                      Fran - I realize it may be beyond you to actually stay up on current events with out talking points and spin, but was it no the son of a Democratic politician, and strong Obama supporter, who was arrested for hacking Palin's Yahoo account?  Were not Democratic operatives sent to almost everycontested election in 2006 to hang around with video cameras in an attempt to catch the GOP candidate off guard?  And were not these same tapes almost immediately available, and run, on the "Main Stream Media"?  I clearly remember the young man in VA who got the tape of Sen Allen using the term "Macacca" and he was not offended at the time.  It was not until a member of the press TOLD him he should be offended that he was indignant.  Also, there is tape of Sen Webb calling white folks in southern VA "Red necks" and using the term "Sand @!$%#" to refer to Arabs.  These tapes were played ONCE on ONE LOCAL station, and never heard from again.  You want smears?  How about the story about Gov Palin's Husband and daughter?  SNL even did a skit accusing them of incest.  Where's the media outrage here?  If a similar story circulated about Sen Biden and a family member, all hades would break out.  In the primaries, even Bill Clinton said the media gave Obama a pass.  Smears or no smears, you only seem to think the Republicans are guilty here.  The Obama Campaign is hiding the REAL Obama until Nov 5th.  Oh, yeah, if you want to know the "real" Obama, read his books.  That was a major factor in moving me to McCain. 

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                                                      #19.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
                                                      Fran Taylor

                                                      There was no "hacking" done, this was a kid who guessed the answers to the security questions. "Hacking" is a rare skill and this kid does not have it.  Since her emails are supposed to be public anyway, what is the outrage?  Did some confidential secret get revealed?  I don't think so!  He broke the law, sure, but he is being punished by the appropriate authorities.

                                                      I'm not interested in talking about unsubstantiatable stuff. I want to talk about accessibility of government records.  I don't care whether the politicians are liberal or conservative or whatever. While they are in the employ of the government, their communications relating to their jobs are public record.  Period. 

                                                      If you want to argue about whether or not Obama would be a better president, there are other forums for that.

                                                        #19.4 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
                                                        Bob-304573

                                                        Fran - Your problem is you would prefer to ignore the negatives of the Obama campaign and those who support it.  Unsubstantiable stuff?  Was not the young man in question just INDICTEDfor his crime?  If you do not wish to call "guessing the password" as "hacking", so be it.  Her YAHOO account is NOT supposed to be public, whether she uses it for weork or not, no more than you account or mine is "supposed" to be public.  Her Government e-mail account is likewise protected by privacy.  As a former Government worker, my e-mails could be monitored by the Internet Security of my Command, but they were not for dissemination beyond that.  People go to jail for this.  As for his not having the "skills" to hack, how do you know this?  How do you know, other than by his confession, that he just guessed the security questions?  And an accused criminal would never lie, right?  Oh, that's right, only republicans have these skills, right?  Get your head back in the sand and remember to vote on Nov 5th.

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                                                        #19.5 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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                                                        Teresa-653165

                                                        Wasn't it funny a Democratic senators son hacked into Palin's email and they still blasted Palin.  Democrat's are showing no sense of decency.  No outrage at the hacker.  The media went along with it.  The news people were asking how to spin the crazy preacher story.  I could not believe I was hearing that on a so-called national news (more like national floozy).  What is this world coming to?

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                                                        Reply#20 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
                                                        James Lee-367659

                                                        Teresa, you have made an excellent point that I really hadn't thought much about.  You are right.  It is as if no one is outraged over that criminal act.

                                                        I also notice that no one has made an effort to challenge or discredit your comment.

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                                                        #20.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
                                                        Fran Taylor

                                                        "It is as if noone is outraged over that criminal act"

                                                        If you READ the above article you will see that the young gentleman who perpetrated this has been INDICTED. I am outraged at this illegal act and I am very glad that the guilty party has been identified and charged. 

                                                        But obviously that has nothing to do with the original story, which is that Palin's office is charging a king's ransom for few minutes' work.

                                                          #20.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
                                                          James Lee-367659

                                                          Fran,

                                                          You point is well taken.  I agree that the price tag of $15 million is absurd.

                                                          As far as straying from the original story, all of us who post on these boards seem to do that pretty regularly.

                                                          I don't mind it because it doesn't hurt me to hear a different point of view every now and then.

                                                            #20.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
                                                            Alykatma

                                                            The kid that hacked is being charged so enough said

                                                              #20.4 - Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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                                                              happy-315907

                                                              does sarah palin have a boob job?  i need to know.  if she does i'm voting for her. 

                                                                Reply#21 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
                                                                James Lee-367659

                                                                Happy, I don't know the answer to your question, but I have heard a few comments that her biggest boob is her husband.  

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                                                                #21.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
                                                                bill carliDeleted
                                                                Upscheidt CreekDeleted
                                                                bill carliDeleted
                                                                MG from IL

                                                                What an idiotic reason to vote - but then, what can we expect with a VP choice like her?  If she has had a boob job then she's as fake as her personality and squeaky, annoying voice.

                                                                  #21.5 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
                                                                  Alykatma

                                                                  Maybe its time for Palin to release her medical records,  after all she is next in line to be president if McCain somehow manages to pull this off. (worst campaign ever)

                                                                  Real Virginian voting for Obama/Biden 08  (At least they are trying to talk about the issues)

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                                                                  #21.6 - Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
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                                                                  dan-405104Deleted
                                                                  Kevin-653207

                                                                  A non-story. Thousands of words trying to defend a liberal press' efforts to muck-rate for the political expediency of its chosen candidate/idiology. Shame on you. Shame on all the NBC new organizations. NBC has no credibility regarding political reporting.

                                                                    Reply#23 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
                                                                    Losthal

                                                                    She can write?

                                                                    hal

                                                                      Reply#24 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
                                                                      Doug-297368

                                                                      This whole issue has nothing to do with Senator Obama.  It was I believe a college student who hack into her e-mail account in Texas.  I believe this student was also the son of a republican council member.

                                                                      On this issue...the Democrats had nothing to do with it.

                                                                      An old clique goes like this:  Engage brain before inserting foot into mouth.

                                                                        Reply#25 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
                                                                        James Lee-367659

                                                                        Doug,

                                                                        Be prepared and hang in there.  You are sure to get blasted by some folks shortly. 

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                                                                        #25.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
                                                                        Leo Katz

                                                                        Doug-297368 - Did you wash your feet?  You wouldn't want those things going in dirty.

                                                                          #25.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
                                                                          MomisDaBomb

                                                                          Wrong.

                                                                          Wrong again.

                                                                          Good Advice.  You should have taken it!

                                                                            #25.3 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
                                                                            dan-405104Deleted
                                                                            Alykatma

                                                                            And i have heard that it was son of a Dem that hacked her email... have to check that out. 

                                                                              #25.5 - Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
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                                                                              Teresa-653165

                                                                              Sounds like Fran is afraid of Sarah.  She is a real person who a lot of Americans can identify with.  I cannot identify with Hussein, he keeps switching his story after he realizes his real thoughts and feelings are not mainstreet or mainstream, a real fish that one.  I did not go to Ivy League schools, I spent 6 years in the Navy to get the GI bill to get my BS and MS in Engineering.  I learned to listen and watch what people do rather than what they say.  Nobama says change, his first real decision is good ole boy Joe.  Just what we need.  He attacks Sarah for her inexperience, that was the most hypocritical thing I've seen yet.  Did she ever vote "Present"?  Yeah so you are there, but are your really there or could you not make up your mind.  Are you a waffler or is the question to hard?

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                                                                              Reply#26 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
                                                                              Fran Taylor

                                                                              Narcissistic fool drags himself into the conversation.

                                                                                #26.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT
                                                                                bill carli

                                                                                Oh, so you were on military welfare?  I paid for your education so I could hear your lies.

                                                                                  #26.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:37 PM EDT
                                                                                  RGrant-349767

                                                                                  bill carli- what lies are Teresa actually talking about?  As far as I can tell everything that was said was a fact.  Also, as far as you paying for an education, the GI bill was put into place to help educate the soldiers of the US Military, the same people that have died for your sorry butt so that you can live freely in this country.  I think they deserve a little more respect than you give.

                                                                                    #26.3 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:42 AM EDT
                                                                                    Alykatma

                                                                                    Sarah was just never around.  Favorite saying in Alaska legislature... "where is Sarah"

                                                                                      #26.4 - Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
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