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AP presidential poll: Race tightens in final weeks

Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
politics, barack-obama, john-mccain, race, poll, ap, presidential-race, associated-press-gfk
Liz Sidoti, AP Political Editor
AP correspondent Liz Sidoti
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— The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain's "Joe the plumber" analogy struck a chord.

Three weeks ago, an AP-GfK survey found that Obama had surged to a seven-point lead over McCain, lifted by voters who thought the Democrat was better suited to lead the nation through its sudden economic crisis.

The contest is still volatile, and the split among voters is apparent less than two weeks before Election Day.

"I trust McCain more, and I do feel that he has more experience in government than Obama. I don't think Obama has been around long enough," said Angela Decker, 44, of La Porte, Ind.

But Karen Judd, 58, of Middleton, Wis., said, "Obama certainly has sufficient qualifications." She said any positive feelings about McCain evaporated with "the outright lying" in TV ads and his choice of running mate Sarah Palin, who "doesn't have the correct skills."

The new AP-GfK head-to-head result is a departure from some, but not all, recent national polls.

Obama and McCain were essentially tied among likely voters in the latest George Washington University Battleground Poll, conducted by Republican strategist Ed Goeas and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll and a Wall Street Journal-NBC News survey have Obama up by 11 points, and a poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center has him leading by 14.

Polls are snapshots of highly fluid campaigns. In this case, there is a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; that means Obama could be ahead by as many as 8 points or down by as many as 6. There are many reasons why polls differ, including methods of estimating likely voters and the wording of questions.

Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor and polling authority, said variation between polls occurs, in part, because pollsters interview random samples of people.

"If they all agree, somebody would be doing something terribly wrong," he said of polls. But he also said that surveys generally fall within a few points of each other, adding, "When you get much beyond that, there's something to explain."

The AP-GfK survey included interviews with a nationally representative random sample totaling 1,101 adults, including 931 registered voters and 800 adults deemed likely to vote. For the entire sample, the survey showed Obama ahead 47 percent to 37 percent. He was up by five points among all registered voters, including the likely voters.

A significant number of the interviews were conducted by dialing a randomly selected sample of cell phone numbers, and thus this poll had a chance to reach voters who were excluded from some other polls.

It was taken over five days from Thursday through Monday, starting the night after the candidates' final debate and ending the day after former Secretary of State Colin Powell broke with the Republican Party to endorse Obama.

McCain's strong showing is partly attributable to his strong debate performance; Thursday was his best night of the survey. Obama's best night was Sunday, hours after the Powell announcement, and the full impact of that endorsement may not have been captured in any surveys yet. Future polling could show whether either of those was merely a support "bounce" or something more lasting.

During their final debate, a feisty McCain repeatedly forced Obama to defend his record, comments and associations. He also used the story of a voter whom the Democrat had met in Ohio, "Joe the Plumber," to argue that Obama's tax plan would be bad for working class voters.

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Obama told the man with the last name of Wurzelbacher, who had asked Obama whether his plan to increase taxes on those earning more than $250,000 a year would impede his ability to buy the plumbing company where he works.

On Wednesday, McCain's campaign unveiled a new TV ad that features that Obama quote, and shows different people saying: "I'm Joe the Plumber." A man asks: "Obama wants my sweat to pay for his trillion dollars in new spending?"

Since McCain has seized on that line of argument, he has picked up support among white, married people and non-college educated whites, the poll shows, while widening his advantage among white men. Black voters still overwhelmingly support Obama.

The Republican also has improved his rating for handling the economy and the financial crisis. Nearly half of likely voters think their taxes will rise under an Obama administration compared with a third who say McCain would raise their taxes.

Since the last AP-GfK survey in late September, McCain also has:

_Posted big gains among likely voters earning under $50,000 a year; he now trails Obama by just 4 percentage points compared with 26 earlier.

_Surged among rural voters; he has an 18-point advantage, up from 4.

_Doubled his advantage among whites who haven't finished college and now leads by 20 points. McCain and Obama are running about even among white college graduates, no change from earlier.

_Made modest gains among whites of both genders, now leading by 22 points among white men and by 7 among white women.

_Improved slightly among whites who are married, now with a 24-point lead.

_Narrowed a gap among unmarried whites, though he still trails by 8 points.

McCain has cut into Obama's advantage on the questions of whom voters trust to handle the economy and the financial crisis. On both, the Democrat now leads by just 6 points, compared with 15 in the previous survey.

Obama still has a larger advantage on other economic measures, with 44 percent saying they think the economy will have improved a year from now if he is elected compared with 34 percent for McCain.

Intensity has increased among McCain's supporters.

A month ago, Obama had more strong supporters than McCain did. Now, the number of excited supporters is about even.

Eight of 10 Democrats are supporting Obama, while nine in 10 Republicans are backing McCain. Independents are about evenly split.

Some 24 percent of likely voters were deemed still persuadable, meaning they were either undecided or said they might switch candidates. Those up-for-grabs voters came about equally from the three categories: undecideds, McCain supporters and Obama backers.

Said John Ormesher, 67, of Dandridge, Tenn.: "I've got respect for them but that's the extent of it. I don't have a whole lot of affinity toward either one of them. They're both part of the same political mess."

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AP Director of Surveys Trevor Tompson, AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and AP writer Alan Fram contributed to this report.

© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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wdupree

Hey I am not sure but I don't think you are supposed to copy the entire column verbatim but I could be wrong.

I am happy to see it tied up but right now I am more confused than anything. These polls should be all thrown out because they are giving me a headache.

  • 3 votes
#1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
BAjunkie

This isn't a seed, this is the AP's column.  Newsvine actually has an AP feed.

  • 17 votes
#1.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
arcanebliss

This poll is clearly an outlier.

  • 34 votes
#1.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
Brian-497171

lol, bliss:

The republican party is an outlier, as well.

  • 15 votes
#1.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
Kim-298921

The republican party is an outlier, as well.

Mostly they're out-and-out liars.

  • 18 votes
#1.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
Kim-298921

How can this be correct when most polls have Obama substantially ahead?

General Election: McCain vs. Obama

PollDateSampleMoEObama (D)McCain (R)Spread

RCP Average
10/15 - 10/21
--
--
49.8
43.0
Obama +6.8

FOX News
10/20 - 10/21
936 LV
3.0
49
40
Obama +9

Rasmussen Reports
10/19 - 10/21
3000 LV
2.0
51
45
Obama +6

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby
10/19 - 10/21
1208 LV
2.9
52
42
Obama +10

Gallup (Traditional)*
10/19 - 10/21
2384 LV
2.0
50
45
Obama +5

Gallup (Expanded)*
10/19 - 10/21
2299 LV
2.0
52
44
Obama +8

Hotline/FD
10/19 - 10/21
782 LV
3.5
47
42
Obama +5

IBD/TIPP
10/17 - 10/21
1088 LV
3.0
46
42
Obama +4

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl
10/17 - 10/20
1159 RV
2.9
52
42
Obama +10

ABC News/Wash Post
10/17 - 10/20
1324 LV
2.5
53
44
Obama +9

GWU/Battleground
10/15 - 10/21
1000 LV
3.1
49
47
Obama +2

Associated Press/GfK
10/16 - 10/20
800 LV
3.5
44
43
Obama +1

Ipsos/McClatchy
10/16 - 10/20
773 LV
3.5
50
42
Obama +8

CNN/Opinion Research
10/17 - 10/19
764 LV
3.5
51
46
Obama +5

Pew Research
10/16 - 10/19
2382 LV
2.5
53
39
Obama +14

  • 25 votes
#1.5 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
babin

Oh look!!! I have a Poll too! It says, "McCain in lead by 6 points."

Wait. This just in. My niece has a poll. It says, "Obama in lead by 25 animal crackers!"

Stop the presses. A new poll by the American Farmers Assoc. says they are tied. TIED!!!

Oh Pah-leeeeeze!!

  • 17 votes
#1.6 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
Belarius

Visually, the claims of this AP hatchet job are even more ridiculous.  We could just as easily turn around and write a piece about Obama's 14-point lead yesterday (according to PEW) and it wouldn't be any less misleading.

Mind you, I don't mean to say this piece is a hatchet job against a particular candidate.  It's merely a hatchet job against basic statistical inference.

  • 12 votes
#1.7 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
No Mcgovern repeat 08

I am actually 'surprised" the Ap poll came around this fast since they are so inthe tank for Obama but when the battleground poll came out yesterday which is bi partisan and highly respected I figured AP might have some 'integrety pains' and their might be some gradual change, I didnt expect it to be this fast, but then we have had time to digest "distribution of wealth' and Biden's 'warning' over the weekend about "Obama's test".

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
AJ in Missouri

The only polls I trust are mine, according to my polls Waffle Cones are in the lead, with Rabbits in close second. Obama and McCain both fail at the bottom of my poll. I don't trust any media anymore except BBC

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
DragonWoman

according to the one archaine shows, the only one that comes close to even is the Associated Press. I think this vine is a wash bub!

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
xcomunic8ed

National polls are stupid. Unless the electoral college gets scrapped and our nation goes to a popular vote nation-wide polls are meaningless. Obama could win the popular vote by 100 million votes and it would still mean nothing if he doesnt win by the electoral college.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
AKG

I am actually 'surprised" the Ap poll came around this fast since they are so inthe tank for Obama but when the battleground poll came out yesterday which is bi partisan and highly respected I figured AP might have some 'integrety pains' and their might be some gradual change, I didnt expect it to be this fast, but then we have had time to digest "distribution of wealth' and Biden's 'warning' over the weekend about "Obama's test".

I particularly don't trust the Fox News poll that shows Obama up by 9 points. Everyone knows Fox is totally in the tank for the Dems.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
Wilfred of Ivanhoe

The AP has demonstrated a pattern of bias against Obama going back into the Democratic primaries. The Obama people have complained about it several times but to no avail. Even the latest Fox News poll has Obama up by nine points. I can buy that the race is tightening near the end. I can't buy that it is this tight.

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
GrayHouse

This quote from the article stands out most:

Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor and polling authority, said variation between polls occurs, in part, because pollsters interview random samples of people.

"If they all agree, somebody would be doing something terribly wrong," he said of polls. But he also said that surveys generally fall within a few points of each other, adding, "When you get much beyond that, there's something to explain."

Maybe Liz "I love McCain" Sidoti, the reporter who filed this, can do a follow up to explain why this poll doesn't fall within a few points of all of the others.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
roadlesstraveled

I hardly doubt this is an accurate story. Obama supporters are growing by Huge numbers...

So Liz Sidoti, APW,  how much did the republican party pay you all??

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
No Mcgovern repeat 08

It is interesting when I looked at the last AP poll that showed Obama way ahead they didnt try to make any 'excuses' or go into any long winded explainations. I guess when you finally start reporting the truth you have to try to explain it away.

You will see all the other polls tightening in the next few days, thats just the way elections work. You Obama people just need to understand it. AP and the others will look 'stupid' if they are predicting a big Obama win and it doesnt happen.

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
RNoel-525230

It is interesting when I looked at the last AP poll that showed Obama way ahead they didnt try to make any 'excuses' or go into any long winded explainations. I guess when you finally start reporting the truth you have to try to explain it away.

That's funny, my conclusion was the exact opposite.  The truth speaks for itself, whereas lies need to be explained in order to give them the illusion of validity.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:35 PM EDT
newagerevjo

RED ALERT:  Go to:  democracynow.com...Amy Goodman's website..today she had

three guests on the Republican Party's new, in action now, attempts to throw the elections via voting machines...the original vote  thrower speaks out for the first time after 2000 & 2004 as to why...he was against abortions...this is happening again right now...they are systematically purging & changing votes, disqualifying voters...see it on video or get the transcripts...may be DemocracyNow.org...check it out...call your Senators & Representatives...Straight up fraud & corruption...Karl Rove leading the pack again!!!

    #1.18 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
    mac-525423

    90% of the time 80% of all statistics can be made to say whatever you want.  100% of the time 100% of polls can be made to say whatever you want the poll to say.  Just think if a poll came out today and said that Senator Obama had a 25% lead on Senator McCain, MSNBC, Fox and all the media's ratings would tank.  This is just a poll to keep us all watching for the next big poll and to make it seem close.  Something else to consider, if Obama voters knew they had a 25% lead they may decide not to take the time to vote as it would seem to be a landslide and their vote would not be necessary.  Ignore the polls, just vote!

    • 1 vote
    #1.19 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
    wwwWang

    I dont think the race should tighten , it should loosen with Obama pulling away

    • 2 votes
    #1.20 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
    Ryan-339660

    All the polls will tighten because if they don't and McCain wins, nobody will ever trust the polls from the agencies that were way off, and they won't have a job in the future.

    The Democrats can sip champagne with Michelle, and celebrate their victory, but McCain still has a chance, and a good possibility to win this thing. 

      #1.21 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
      Behind My Screen

      so, your logic is that the polls will tighten because McCain is going to win anyway so if they do not reflect that enevitability rather than what people are really saying, they will be discredited?

      • 3 votes
      #1.22 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
      krishna-167929

      "I am happy to see it tied up but right now I am more confused than anything. These polls should be all thrown out because they are giving me a headache."

      Well-- that's probably because they don't include all the relevant voting blocs:

      Latest Poll Reveals 430 New Demographics That Will Decide Election

      (its satire :-)

      • 3 votes
      #1.23 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
      BOR(derline)

      I am afraid you forgot Obama has 57 states.

      • 2 votes
      #1.24 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
      Eric AlbertDeleted
      Seeker14

      As a journalist, I understand acutely the "fair and balanced" approach associated with modern media.  But as anyone of our august colleagues will tell you, there are indeed limits to this reportage methodology.   With this story being headlined to imply that the candidates are running "neck and neck", you have pushed that limit.

      Your premise is utterly preposterous, disingenuous, demonstrates a willful intent to disinform and ominously meets the media control strategies outlined and perfected by Chief Propagandist of the Nazi Party Dr. Paul Josef Goebbels.  A hallmark of his nationalist/socialist ideological conveyance mechanism was in essence "A big lie told often enough becomes the truth."

      Data derived from multiple, highly regarded sources show a very impressive, if not insurmountable lead by Senator Obama, and yet you as a news organization who should know better, instead borrow from the journalistic equivalent of the J.D. Power and Associates consumer product quality surveys wherein if you parse customer satisfaction data enough, and you pay enough, you will indeed find an area of perceived superiority.

      I say again, and with specificity, your headline is wantonly deceptive in contrast with the current state of the race, and reminds one of a game show mentality at work.

      Matters of this seriousness deserve a much higher level of data analytics and integrity on the part of your news organization.

        #1.26 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
        Seeker14

        As a journalist, I understand acutely the "fair and balanced" approach associated with modern media.  But as anyone of our august colleagues will tell you, there are indeed limits to this reportage methodology.   With this story being headlined to imply that the candidates are running "neck and neck", you have pushed that limit.

        Your premise is utterly preposterous, disingenuous, demonstrates a willful intent to disinform and ominously meets the media control strategies outlined and perfected by Chief Propagandist of the Nazi Party Dr. Paul Josef Goebbels.  A hallmark of his nationalist/socialist ideological conveyance mechanism was in essence "A big lie told often enough becomes the truth."

        Data derived from multiple, highly regarded sources show a very impressive, if not insurmountable lead by Senator Obama, and yet you as a news organization who should know better, instead borrow from the journalistic equivalent of the J.D. Power and Associates consumer product quality surveys wherein if you parse customer satisfaction data enough, and you pay enough, you will indeed find an area of perceived superiority.

        I say again, and with specificity, your headline is wantonly deceptive in contrast with the current state of the race, and reminds one of a game show mentality at work.

        Matters of this seriousness deserve a much higher level of data analytics and integrity on the part of your news organization.

        • 1 vote
        #1.27 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
        JayB

        AKG #1.12...WHAT?? Fox for the Dems!...are you trying to be funny? MSNBC is totally Obama lovers-it's actually pathetic..If you love BO leave THEM on..you'll be ecstatic! Fox is fairer.

        • 3 votes
        #1.28 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
        Amazing But True

        Examination of the poll demographics reveals that 43% of the people taking part consider themselves evangelical or born again Christian fundamentalists. This is no where near the actual percentage in the US population or the percentage of this religious category within "likely voters".
        This poll isn't an outlier. It's a just a liar.

        Wow AP! Skew your polls to the GOP base much?

        • 1 vote
        #1.29 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
        lawdoc

        polls are tightening!!!its not over till the fat lady with no job sings

        MCCAIN/PALIN

        • 3 votes
        #1.30 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
        Fred White

        Obama's life is a lie.........hahahaahahaha

        check this

        • 2 votes
        #1.31 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
        Paul William Tenny

        I am actually 'surprised" the Ap poll came around this fast since they are so inthe tank for Obama but when the battleground poll came out yesterday which is bi partisan and highly respected I figured AP might have some 'integrety pains' and their might be some gradual change, I didnt expect it to be this fast, but then we have had time to digest "distribution of wealth' and Biden's 'warning' over the weekend about "Obama's test".

        The AP poll was skewed folks, only 24% of voters identified themselves as "born again" or "evangelical" Christians in exit polling in 2004, while this poll consisted of 45% of that demo. Half the people in this poll were evangelicals, they might as well have polled a church in Arizona for all it's worth.

        • 1 vote
        #1.32 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
        Kurt-449104

        this is a WAKE-UP CALL TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS...

        #1) Vote BEFORE you do anything else on TUESDAY NOV 4th!!! Not at lunch, or after school, etc.... WHEN THEY DO EXIT POLLS ETC , THEY DO THEM EARLY...

        IF you get exit polled say you voted for McCain, so Obama supporters who waited will set dinner aside and go VOTE!!!

        #2) This could be Fox like, as they are planting the plausibility seed as to why he lost, when it was really just purged voters and rigged voting machines and cheating Republican poll workers.

        WAKE UP

        WAKE UP

        WAKE UP

        EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OBAMA SUPPORTERS NEEDS TO GET OUT AND VOTE EARLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T GO INTO WORK OR SCHOOL AND THEN BE HELD UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        VOTE EARLY

        AND

        VOTE OFTEN... ;) ... j/k... BUT SERIOUSLY VOTE EARLY EARLY EARLY...

          #1.33 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:17 AM EDT
          lauriesarno

          I think this article is a bunch of hooey....it's just another attempt to stir up the GOPers into getting out to vote.  If they think it's close, then they'll get out and vote even if they don't like Palin.  It's typical GOP strategy to trick their supporters into voting for them and then leave'em high and dry.

          Actually, I think this article energizes both parties to get out and vote but especially the dems.

          Go Obama/Biden!

            #1.34 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:40 AM EDT
            Kurt-449104

            Hey Tyler, what about Repubs pretending they are the Rich in one sentence and then in the next they are the only ones who ever held a job, they built the country singlehandedly. They are calling DEMS lazy , welfare grubbing cheats all the time.

            If you're going to be one sided in your moderation , @!$%# you and newsvine Tyler,

            Sincerely, Kurt

              #1.35 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:49 AM EDT
              Rich-414468

              A hallmark of his nationalist/socialist ideological conveyance mechanism was in essence "A big lie told often enough becomes the truth."

              Isn't this the essence of most politicians today?  All of them are about half-truths and lies of omission.  Obama has never been completely honest about much of his past.  He'll probably issue denials or vague answers all the way to the White House, because there just aren't enough people out there right now that want to pay attention. 

              I heard Obama today talking about how important he thinks a stimulus package is.  He just laid into McCain over this, because McCain knows this isn't the answer.  Obama thinks that printing up some more money (yeah! Let's increase inflation and devalue the dollar some more!) and giving it away is the solution.  Really?  That one little check the government sends you is going to be the big answer to this economic mess?  I bet the Dems have ripped Bush plenty for doing the same thing last spring.  It didn't work then, and won't now.  Stimulus packages are a gimmick.  This is typical of Obama's socialist approach.  Promise the people something for nothing, and by God they'll vote for you.  I'm sorry to say that I think he's right.

                #1.36 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
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                Democrat in CT

                As good as it looks for Obama/Biden, it is important no matter who you are voting for,  that everyone needs to get out and vote.

                As an Obama supporter, I'm happy to see articles like this as it reminds his supporters to "not get cocky" as he himself put it.

                Too often when people think that an election is in the bag, they don't bother to vote.

                SUPPORT YOUR CANDIDATE!

                • 14 votes
                Reply#2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
                demmywemmy

                Exactly...well put. BTW, who's that hot brunette on McCain's right shoulder? Man I'm in love. Tell me she isn't a GOPer :-[

                • 2 votes
                #2.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
                roadlesstraveled

                ewwww...shes hideous! Shes looks like a Chupacabra! (and just like her "in charge of the Senate", a myth)

                • 1 vote
                #2.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
                Ryan-339660

                roadlesstraveled, apparently you are not familiar with the Constitution.

                • 2 votes
                #2.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
                Responsible-Adult

                Regarding the picture of mccain,

                im pretty sure the only thing he knows about peace is how to make the symbol just like nixon did

                  #2.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
                  Kurt-449104

                  this is a WAKE-UP CALL TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS...

                  #1) Vote BEFORE you do anything else on TUESDAY NOV 4th!!! Not at lunch, or after school, etc.... WHEN THEY DO EXIT POLLS ETC , THEY DO THEM EARLY...

                  IF you get exit polled say you voted for McCain, so Obama supporters who waited will set dinner aside and go VOTE!!!

                  #2) This could be Fox like, as they are planting the plausibility seed as to why he lost, when it was really just purged voters and rigged voting machines and cheating Republican poll workers.

                  WAKE UP

                  WAKE UP

                  WAKE UP

                  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OBAMA SUPPORTERS NEEDS TO GET OUT AND VOTE EARLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T GO INTO WORK OR SCHOOL AND THEN BE HELD UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  VOTE EARLY

                  AND

                  VOTE OFTEN... ;) ... j/k... BUT SERIOUSLY VOTE EARLY EARLY EARLY...

                  • 1 vote
                  #2.5 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:50 AM EDT
                  Reply
                  Pacific Northwest Blogger

                  Interesting, one of the most conservative (literally) polling firms has this out today

                  10/22/2008

                  Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: And Then It Was Ten . . .

                  Obama 51.6%, McCain 42.0%

                  UTICA, New York – Democrat Barack Obama moved very close to a double–digit lead over Republican John McCain in the national horserace for President, continuing his slow push forward above the 50% mark, gaining 1.3 points in the last day.

                  • 10 votes
                  #3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
                  QACoach

                  Yes, and Gallup has it:

                  • Registered voters - Obama-51%; McCain-42%
                  • Likely voters (traditional) - Obama-50%; McCain-45%
                  • Likely voters (expanded) - Obama-52%; McCain-44%

                  So...not sure who the AP is polling, but it doesn't seem to jive with other polls

                  • 12 votes
                  #3.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
                  Pacific Northwest Blogger

                  More interesting bits, I found this NBC/WallStreet journal poll
                  October 22, 2008

                  With two weeks to go until Election Day, Obama now leads his Republican rival by 10 points among registered voters, 52 to 42 percent, up from 49 to 43 percent two weeks ago.

                  Obama's current lead is also fueled by his strength among independent voters (topping McCain 49 to 37 percent), suburban voters (53 to 41), Catholics (50 to 44) and white women (49 to 45).

                  Source

                  Seems the other polls are similar.

                  • 7 votes
                  #3.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
                  Pacific Northwest Blogger

                  What's even more interesting is the state tracker on Real Clear Politics
                  Source

                  Found this article about polling accuracy, an interesting read.

                  Are the Polls Accurate?

                  Reading them right is more art than science.

                  Source

                  • 4 votes
                  #3.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
                  Beverly H

                  The only numbers that count are the numbers on Nov.4 after the election

                  • 8 votes
                  #3.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
                  Pacific Northwest Blogger

                  The only numbers that count are

                  S&P, Dow, NASDAQ, interest rate, retirement portfolio balance and checking account balance.
                  ;)

                  My personal reason for following the polls is the potential elections fraud - again. I want to be able to see today's trends and compare them to the outcome on Nov 5th to know if I need to take to the streets...

                  • 8 votes
                  #3.5 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
                  Arad

                  Wasn't there a quote like, "Statistics is the only science where two experts can look at the same information and come to opposite conclusions."

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.6 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
                  Independent-586608

                  What kind of dumb poll is this?  A NY Times poll just yesterday showed that Obama was ahead of McCain by 10% - 52% to 42%.  This article is just right-wing BS.

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.7 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
                  mommy monica

                  Lets be honest with each other here. The polls mean nothing, the Republicans are going to try to get this election just like the 2000 one by cheating. They love polls like this because it justifies their means of winning. They don't care if they actually get the votes, they just need it to be close enough to make vote fraud charges and get the conservative Supreme Court to go in their favor. All these polls mean nothing, lets wait to see how it plays out November 4. Hopefully Obama can get his new voters to the polls so our country stops going down the drain.

                  • 3 votes
                  #3.8 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
                  Reformed Liberal

                  definition:

                  "fraudulent election" = one that the Republican candidate wins.

                  • 5 votes
                  #3.9 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
                  Ryan-339660

                  reformed liberal, if Bill Clinton is the first Democrat to be elected to consectutive terms in the last fifty years.  What does that tell you?  The US is mostly made up of moderate conservatives.  So when a republican wins, it's pretty common. 

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.10 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
                  Ryan-339660

                  Pacific NW Blogger, typical Democrat, no respect for the system.  You will take to the streets?  You would not hear that from a republican, why?  Because if Obama wins, we will respect that the people of the US spoke.  Same as if McCain wins.  

                  • 2 votes
                  #3.11 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
                  Responsible-Adult

                  if the same old tyranny continues, i dont see why we shouldnt take it to the streets

                    #3.12 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
                    JayB

                    momm...the reps cheating?? Hellloooo ACORN!
                    RL.... How can you pair fraudulant actions with the Reps?? OMG

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.13 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
                    Behind My Screen

                    ACORN is not cheating, it is street canvassers who are lazy and personally committing registration fraud. Fake registrations do not count as a vote, and multiple registrations do not count as a vote.

                    using illegal methods to stop legaly registered voters from voting, under supplying districts with voting machines, etc does constitute cheating and are all methods used by the Republicans on voting day to stop Democrats from voting.

                      #3.14 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
                      Dave - Twin Cities

                      Behind My Screen ...  it is street canvassers who are lazy and personally committing registration fraud. Fake registrations do not count as a vote, and multiple registrations do not count as a vote.

                      Correct as stated ... BUT ... Who hired those people?  ACORN did.  If you misrepresent your employer, you get fired and your life goes on.  Your employer ends up paying for your ineptness for much longer depending on the magnitude of your act.

                      Point ... ACORN hired them and, rightfully so, have fired several of the most notable offenders.  However, the responsible party still is the employer, ACORN, for not vetting their employees.  Beyond that, the frequency and magnitude of this is not even close to being isolated.  It's a legitimate problem to investigate.

                      Plus Obama has sent them nearly, maybe over, a million dollars.

                      • 2 votes
                      #3.15 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
                      Kurt-449104

                      dAVE - TWIN CITIES,

                      Acorn is the one who flagged all the questionable registrations. Acorn is above and beyond honest.

                      fyi...

                        #3.16 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:25 AM EDT
                        formermormon

                        Acorn is above and beyond honest.

                        Most of us know that you are wrong on this.  Wake up!

                        • 1 vote
                        #3.17 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
                        mommy monica

                        Before John McCain claimed ACORN to be evil he supported them. Another example of his flip flopping. In fact in 2006 McCain was the headliner at one of their events. He supported them, there is a picture proving it, google it and you will see, here is just 1 quote from my short quick search. Do the research before spouting insults towards an organization that your candidate supproted until 3 weeks ago.

                        " John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida.

                        The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.

                        McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner.

                        Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

                        ”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said."

                          #3.18 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
                          pcraigbrowning

                          The first time I heard anything about ACORN was from my mother who happens to live in Ohio and happens to fit the story book image of being an extreme right-winged fundamentalist Christian/Regan Republican who believes everything that spews out of a preacher's mouth (until they are caught up in something "discolored" of course) and since the 1960s, viewed all thing Democratic with contempt -- it was the party supported most by the long haired intellects, hippies and humanists that wanted to create silly things in this nation like Equality between the races and genders during an era when such things were viewed as being "Non-Christian" and of course, "Non-Patriotic"... heaven forbid we have women voting let alone colored folk...

                          ... I'm not quite 50 yet and I remember hearing very similar mantra uttered within a church-framed world that viewed women as livestock and a possession of the man vs. his equal.

                          Anywho... the Ohio Media, inspired by a couple of Republican Ministers who started pointing out things around ACORN seems to have been the impetus to this PR blaze and the misinformation that's come from it.  Then again, I stand in amazment as I watch members of the Republican party deliberately ignore the facts while embracing the lies and exaggerrations and then, they whine, asking why we tend to treat them like a bunch of dumb stuffs...

                          Hello!? READ A BOOK!  ACTUALLY STUDY THE WHOLE ISSUE NOT JUST WHAT YOU ARE TOLD TO LOOK AT. Until you study what your side says, what their side says and what outsiders looking in have to say about ANY given issue or point, you cannot intelligently or wisely, make up your mind and thus, you're just being another lemmur, following along with all the others to the edge of the cliff, pondering why you're falling to your death all the sudden while blaming others.

                            #3.19 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
                            Tappy McWidestance

                            So...not sure who the AP is polling, but it doesn't seem to jive with other polls.

                            Actually you are more right than you know. Listening to POTUS08 on XM this morning they were discussing the sample used by AP for this poll. It included 44% of their sample being "evangelical Christians" even though only 22% of registered voters consider themselves part of that group. Since it is no surprise that this group favors McCain by a wide margin, but doubling their representation in the poll, either by mistake or on purpose, skews the results. Now that they have been caught, look for their next poll to be more in line with the rest of the polling companies.

                              #3.20 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
                              Reformed Liberal

                              definition:

                              "fraudulent election" = one that the Republican candidate wins.

                              - qouting myself. That was intended to be a cynical joke.

                                #3.21 - Mon Nov 3, 2008 8:00 PM EST
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                                Brian-497171

                                Was this poll conducted here on Earth?

                                Just a question.

                                • 11 votes
                                Reply#4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
                                Tim--

                                It was conducted on a bridge in alaska

                                • 10 votes
                                #4.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
                                babin

                                It's Satire.

                                • 6 votes
                                #4.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
                                Tim--

                                Leaked script from the SNL Weekend Update crew

                                • 4 votes
                                #4.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
                                GrabanIdiot

                                You guys got me laughing ! LOL

                                Of course it aint true.

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
                                roadlesstraveled

                                earth: Home to millions of species, including humans

                                so no it was not taken from here...unless there really are other dimensions...then we know that the GOP has sold us off even worse than we thought

                                • 1 vote
                                #4.5 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
                                Ryan-339660

                                You can sip your champagne, but it's not over. 

                                  #4.6 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:23 PM EDT
                                  Reply
                                  Steve Watts

                                  Hm, Gallup Daily and RealClearPolitics still show Obama ahead by quite a stretch. But I guess "stuff stays the same" doesn't make a good headline.

                                  • 7 votes
                                  Reply#5 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
                                  malcom-ny

                                  Up until about 15 minutes ago I had my mind made up for Obama, but I just listened to him speak in VA on television.  I changed my mind I just can't understand what he is saying.  He say's things that just go around everything.  Obama also was attacking the republican ticket, and then complains when they attack him.  I don't understand why he thinks everyone should talk good about him.  I am sorry I just don't trust him at all.  I am a 50 y/o  black man I have always voted democrat and like I said until just a few minutes ago I was planning on it.  Obama just doesn't sound like a black man, he sounds like a lawyer.  As of now I am undecided again

                                  • 7 votes
                                  #6 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
                                  SnotRag Dave

                                  malcom...

                                  You probably should do more homework before you run to the polls.  If you are what you say you are...

                                  Why would it matter if

                                  Obama just doesn't sound like a black man

                                  unless that is your only reason.  Please make clear comparison's between the two campaigns... and measure the character of all four candidates... before you vote.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #6.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
                                  Holysandal

                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #6.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
                                  babin

                                  I am a 50 y/o  black man.

                                  ...

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #6.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
                                  Like Fine Wine

                                  Nope, If you could vote for John McCain at all NOW, you weren't voting for Obama 15 minutes ago....

                                  BTW..."Obama just doesn't sound like a black man, " ?".....do you know what YOU sound like?

                                  • 9 votes
                                  #6.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
                                  Lee B

                                  He doesn't sound like a black man?  What does that even mean?

                                  Of course he's going to attack them, that's how it works.  The question becomes what is he saying when he attacks them.  Is he calling them terrorists by association?

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #6.5 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
                                  QACoach

                                  @malcom:

                                  Hey...I'm a 32-year old investment banker who has always voted Republican. I think John McCain is a disgrace to the white race. I will definitely vote for Obama as a protest vote! [SATIRE]

                                  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                  I do happen to be a 61-year old, white male, Vietnam veteran with some college working as a contract worker who happens to like an occasional beer (i.e., the "perfect" McCain voter). I plan to proudly vote for Barack Obama as our next President! [NOT SATIRE]

                                  • 11 votes
                                  #6.6 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
                                  Jeff Warner

                                  Here is what Obama sounds like.

                                  Good to remember on voting day. Do we want a president who doesn't "take sides" for America?
                                   

                                  Perhaps there are SOME out there who are beginning to get 'the picture'.  The following is a narrative taken from Sunday Morning's televised 'Meet The Press'. and the author is employed by none other than the Washington Post!!  Yeah......the Washington Post of New York and Los Angeles Times fame!!  Must say that I'm dually impressed..................
                                   

                                  From Sunday's Televised 'Meet the Press' Senator Obama was asked

                                  about his stance on the American Flag.  Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
                                   
                                  Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked Obama
                                  to explain why he doesn't  follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
                                   
                                  The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United States Code,

                                  Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At the very least, 'Stand and Face It'

                                  Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, 'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.'We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine'. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.  

                                  WHAAAAAAAT the Hell !!!

                                  Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it right. This could possibly be our next President.

                                   I, for one, am speechless.

                                  Dale Lindsborg,

                                  WashingtonPost 

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #6.7 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
                                  DBar

                                  Anyone confused right now should not vote at all.  Stay home, sir, honestly.

                                  Don't monkey with the votes of people who have actually done their home work, on either side.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.8 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
                                  Satan-631195

                                  This is a ridiculous example of how false stories are started, spread and, in many cases, believed.

                                  It began with a column dated Oct. 27, 2007, on a Web site called the Arizona Conservative, which is written by John Semmens and clearly labeled as humor. His column, in fact, is called "Semi-News -- A Satirical Look at Recent News."

                                  Nevertheless, his column on Obama has been copied and sent around in e-mails, masquerading as true stories. The reader who asked us about it said he received it from a conservative Republican coworker. The e-mail included a note calling Obama's candidacy "a joke."

                                  In this case, the joke is the message falsely quoting Obama, and it's on whomever is gullible enough to believe it's true.

                                  Footnote: For background on the "news" that Semmens was satirizing, see our Jan. 10 article, "Sliming Obama." Also, thanks to Snopes.com for tracking down the source of this latest e-mail falsehood.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #6.9 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
                                  robotsoul

                                  Jeff Warner, your entry has been de-bunked as one of the methods used by the Mc Cain campaign to smear Obama. 

                                  http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003874836

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #6.10 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
                                  JohnRussell

                                  To put it mildly, there are going to be millions of people who will vote for one or the other for no good reason at all. There are countless toothless creatures out in the forested areas of our great land that will vote hillbilly style (straight Republican), and just as many hollow eyed  downsized misfortunates or down on their luck souls (euphemism for inner city crack addicts) who will vote straight Obamaite. What's one more uniformed vote in that roiling stew?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.11 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
                                  CCArm

                                  This truly doesnt' sound like the words of one who was undecided.  Are you just trying to pick a fight? 

                                  why do you feel it is necessary to tell us your race??  Really Malcolm, you should think a little clearer.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.12 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
                                  Jeff Warner

                                  Well done to the few that know better.  I wanted to prove a point.  Some people believe and others will do their homework.  I even used a story that could be checked on the msnbc website.  I posted this on other stories and people are just sheep and believe.  

                                  To all who are posting on here.  Think for yourselves.  I read a lot of RNC and DNC talking points on this site.  Get your info from everywhere and make an intelligent decision if your going to vote.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #6.13 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
                                  Beth-409511

                                  BS.  Give us a break.  Your comments are obvious.  You never were going to vote for Obama and you think you might really score some points by saying "well, I was going to vote for him, but after hearing him speak...".  Give me a @!$%#ing break.

                                  Go peddle your @!$%# elsewhere.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.14 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
                                  roadlesstraveled

                                  malcom-ny

                                  I don't believe a single word you are saying! Nice try...even your screen name is bogus

                                    #6.15 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
                                    Mike NC

                                    malcolm ny

                                    You sound like a republican plant, probably one of their pro-americans

                                      #6.16 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
                                      HLP

                                      Unbelievable

                                        #6.17 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
                                        lawdoc

                                        there sure are enough of you lazy welfare dems on here so shut up

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #6.18 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
                                        Kurt-449104

                                        hey lawdoc, thanks for your superiority/inferiority complex and driving even more voters to Obama , thank you

                                          #6.19 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:58 AM EDT
                                          StaunchUndecided

                                          He's delusional.  All he's just spouting the hate passed down from his ancestors.  Yeah, I've got some "lazy" for you. Three out of every four transients on freeway ramps in my city asking for handouts are male Caucasians. That should shut you up.

                                            #6.20 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
                                            pcraigbrowning

                                            Funny, I feel the same way when McCain talks and Palin parrots what she's been told to say.  Neither of them seem capable to actually stating any kind of bullet point or FAQ as to what they are going to do and how... that is, other than giving billionaires more big breaks and half-million dollar social weekends at tax payer expense...

                                            Both of them teach hate and fear... fear being their biggest tool along side implied bigotry.

                                            If McCain is so honorable why is he invoking Fear Tactics as a means by which to get votes?  Why are he and Palin deliberately painting Barack as being a Terroist when they both know he's not... McCain even having to clam down some of his own patrons because of their expressed fears, tears, anger, etc.  Why is this jerk of a "man" allowing it to continue when he claims to be a "true" American that's qualified for leading this nation in a fair and just manner?

                                            This nation does not need another wannabe cowboy in office and more importantly, we don't need some freakish bimbo who don't know what newspapers she reads regularly, by name standing beside him at the ready should anything happen to him.

                                            As McCain himself says, "AMERICA FIRST" and that's exactly why we shouldn't vote for him and his mistress.

                                              #6.21 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
                                              Reply
                                              No Mcgovern repeat 08

                                              Yesterday the Battleground poll came out and showed them virtually tied, I predicted in my column that the polls would begin to close as they always do as the election draws near and EVERYONE said NO WAY, well it would appear that with the AP poll it doesnt make the Battleground poll look like an outlier.

                                              Come election day I predict ALL the polls will be within 1-2 points with Obama up in some and McCain up in others. This will be a close election. I would not be surprised if Obama may win the popular but lose the electoral .

                                              The facts are that the  media  can only try to 'suggest' the outcome to a point. In order to maintain "some journalistic integrety" they must report real numbers. Even the ABC and CBS polls will eventualy get close.

                                              • 5 votes
                                              Reply#7 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
                                              SnotRag Dave

                                              First of all, I enjoyed this paragraph:

                                              But Karen Judd, 58, of Middleton, Wis., said, "Obama certainly has sufficient qualifications." She said any positive feelings about McCain evaporated with "the outright lying" in TV ads and his choice of running mate Sarah Palin, who "doesn't have the correct skills."

                                              And then...

                                              I consider this poll to be an outlier... definitely goes against the grain of the majority.  Plus, with a margin of error at 3.5... it's a bit risky.  (I like my m-o-e under 2.5.)

                                              I don't like to completely discount AP's polls... unlike Rasmussen's, which are clearly left field material.

                                                Reply#8 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
                                                Uncommon Sensibility

                                                Yep.  Randomly placed calls to LaLa Land, not too far from Insanity Cove. 

                                                I'm tired of the media dicking with my vote.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#9 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
                                                Dave - Twin Cities

                                                Remember the polls 4 years ago?  They didn't hit the mark as I recall.  It seems like there are four times as many this time around.  I won't profess to know statistics, but question the accuracy of a "national" poll that only samples between 1000 and 2000 people and then say it only has a margin of error of a couple percent.  It doesn't add up for me. 

                                                The other factor is that most of these polls don't take into account the electoral system.  They're just looking at popular vote.  Now there are lots of polls broken out by state, but those don't get reported too much.

                                                Point being ... Whether the polls say 44-43 or 51.6-42.0, this thing could end in a landslide for Obama or a landslide for McCain.  I doubt the latter, but McCain could still win in a squeaker.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#10 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
                                                Kathleen-345981

                                                I do not know about all these polls either.  I DO know that the other day my daughter and I went to Orlando. Fl. to see Barack and Hillary.  We had to wait almost four hours.  During that time we talked to and laughed with the people around us on line.  Several were white, one was black and one gay.  At one point a man in front of us bought a large bottle of water and shared it with three of us on line.  That man had a middle eastern accent.  I say all this because it is important.  This is what America truely is.  Next time you see a McCain rally on t.v. check out that crowd.  There is a very distinct difference.  I wonder why.  p.s. I am 65 yrs old.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#11 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
                                                CCArm

                                                Horay!  Yes, there is a HUGE difference in the audiences.  Just the conventions showed us that.

                                                Obama unites!  EVERYONE go vote!!

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #11.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
                                                Beth-409511

                                                Good for you!  That's what Senator Obama is about--everyone matters, everyone counts!

                                                  #11.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
                                                  Rightofcenter

                                                  Thanks guys, I needed a good laugh!

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #11.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
                                                  RNoel-525230

                                                  Thanks guys, I needed a good laugh!

                                                  Watching a McCain or Palin speech usually does it for me!

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #11.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
                                                  roadlesstraveled

                                                  Finaly someone else notices all the "bling-bling" at the GOP stage

                                                    #11.5 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
                                                    Reply
                                                    Like Fine Wine

                                                    Rassmusen's not bad when it comes to RIGHT leaning polls, considering that they have at least 2-3 Mccain/Palin ads running on their home page constantly. And The top dog at Rassmusen is a constant figure on FOX News. No one else will have him on their news shows. lmao

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#12 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
                                                    BOR(derline)

                                                    Polls the BHO factors
                                                    the "B" factor is personal opinion and not shared with public and certainly not with the Polls.
                                                    the "H" factor is questionable, and suspicious.
                                                    the "O" factor will come after Nov. 4.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#13 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
                                                    VigorMortis

                                                    Beware this poll, they want you to think it's closer than it is so you won't suspect anything when the election is rigged.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#14 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
                                                    No Mcgovern repeat 08

                                                    Except that 95 percent of what AP runs are pro-Obama pieces on daily basis.  

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #14.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
                                                    AnotherAverageJoe

                                                    www.realclearpolitics.com

                                                    Has all the polls

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #14.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
                                                    VigorMortis

                                                    Except that 95 percent of what AP runs are pro-Obama pieces on daily basis. 

                                                    LOL "The evil Liberal media"! 95 of the world is pro-Obama. Don't get mad at everyone else because you serve the most comedic campaign in my life-time. That's your own fault. But, hey, we all know that facts have a liberal bias LOLOLOL

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #14.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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                                                    James P. Krehbiel

                                                    Nice try!  These "findings" are not consistent with ANY other polling body.  The real give-away is saying that the issue of "Joe the Plumber" has gained traction with voters.  What?  The article is a sham.  jamespkrehbiel

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    Reply#15 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
                                                    lawdoc

                                                    james - you could be wrong what's wrong when obama is in the lead everyone says polls accurate when mccain is tied they are wrong  ACORN IS GOING TOP DESTROY OBAMA

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #15.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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                                                    Woodenboatguy

                                                    I am getting "poll-lash"

                                                    These morons can't get anything right. Here's a new idea, let's see what vote is on election day before we call a winner.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#16 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
                                                    gamerk2

                                                    Out of curiosity, do national polls even matter?  Its the state by state votes that do, and they have Obama winning 274 at last check, with around 150 or so up for grabs.

                                                    As Gore showed, if you lose the popular vote, you can still win the election (isn't it nice to be able to throw that back at Republicans now :D)

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#17 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
                                                    Arad

                                                    Statistically speaking, 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot.  95% of experts agree!

                                                    Seriously though, Most polls I've learned to dismiss as bunk until I have proof otherwise.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    Reply#18 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
                                                    Kurt-449104

                                                    I heard 116% of all statistics were made up on the spot???????

                                                    I wonder whose statistics on statistics are correct???????????? Hmmmmm???

                                                    We'll see said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw...

                                                      #18.1 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:03 AM EDT
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                                                      BAjunkie

                                                      Here is a little more on the author of this story, who is obviously in the tank for McCain.<satire, kinda, maybe>  She has previously run other hit pieces on Obama.

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      Reply#19 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
                                                      AnotherAverageJoe

                                                      Gets filed under:

                                                      "Figures don't Lie, but Liars Figure"

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #19.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
                                                      Brian-497171

                                                      Nice BA:

                                                      Great find.

                                                      This is like Bill O'Reilly's poll.

                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      #19.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
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                                                      EJCanavan

                                                      Considering the amount of voters there will be on election day, putting all my eggs in one basket for a mere 1,001 polled voters doesn't mean squat. Hard to get real hard numbers with that kind of polling.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      Reply#20 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
                                                      T Lane-620515

                                                      The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as Republican-leaning voters drifted home to their party.

                                                      MUSIC TO MY EARS!

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      Reply#21 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
                                                      Beth-409511

                                                      You have to be kidding...only people like you are under the delusion that McCain performed well in the third or ANY of the debates.  From what I can tell, Republicans are mortified by the McCain Palin ticket and are moving away from them.  In droves.  But--go ahead with your little delusion if it makes you feel better.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #21.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
                                                      Rightofcenter

                                                      beth- you remind of a little kid whistling in the dark. FYI- Kerry was ahead by double digits 14 days before the 04 elections.

                                                        #21.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
                                                        Kari-398894

                                                        Can I get an "AMEN"????  Oops.. hope I didn't offend any democrats with my religious outburst! 

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        #21.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
                                                        Kurt-449104

                                                        Yes, true Kerry was up double digits 14 days before the election. He also won the election.

                                                        THIS POLL IS A WAKE UP CALL FOR ALL DEMOCRATS...

                                                        VOTE YOUR VOTE

                                                        PICK UP FRIENDS AND BRING THEM TO VOTE...

                                                        TAKE THE DAY OFF ON TUESDAY - NOVEMBER 4TH AND HAVE A VOTING PARTY!!!

                                                          #21.4 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:08 AM EDT
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                                                          Alan-301510

                                                          If you think Obama can get us out of this economic crisis, please watch this in its entirety before you decide who to vote for: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

                                                            Reply#23 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
                                                            Brian Ford

                                                            Please stop spamming that link on every thread about the election. 

                                                            • 4 votes
                                                            #23.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
                                                            AnotherAverageJoe

                                                            If you want to watch a REAL video, here is Colin Powell on Meet the Press:

                                                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2U63fXBlFo

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #23.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
                                                            Alan-301510

                                                            What's wrong, Brian?  Don't you like looking at the FACTS?

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #23.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
                                                            Brian Ford

                                                            No, I look down on spamming threads with unrelated links, as do the admins.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #23.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
                                                            Beth-409511

                                                            It's pretty simple, Brian.  You're one of THEM.  And people are sick and tired of people like you.

                                                              #23.5 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
                                                              Brian Ford

                                                              One of WHOM? What on Earth are you talking about?

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              #23.6 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
                                                              Fred White

                                                              .............
                                                              Uh oh...............

                                                                #23.7 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
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                                                                ewstephen

                                                                The scariest finding mentioned in the article is McCain's gain among people making less then $50k a year. WAKE UP PEOPLE! Do you honestly think that a guy who makes over $300k a year, married to a gal who makes over $4,000,000 a year and between them own 13 cars and seven houses can actually relate to your situation? Do you honestly think that can conjure up one legitimate ounce of empathy for you? Do you really think McCain/ Pain (typo intended) are going to go to the mat to put more money in your pocket? Good luck with that.

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                Reply#24 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
                                                                No Mcgovern repeat 08

                                                                Yeah a family making 50k a year gets  a whopping 17.00 a week more under Obama's "middle class tax cut", but wait, he wants to give all those people who pay NO Federal tax a break too by perhaps cutting payroll tax? Its the only thing he could cut . FYI Payrol tax is social security people!

                                                                People are starting to figure out what Obama's "redistribution of wealth means": we will distribute more of your money to our big government so we can create more entitlement programs for the people too lazy to go out and get a job. So we can maintain a welfare society where they will depend on us and vote for us.

                                                                The middle class maybe wants to decide how they spend their money , not Obama!

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #24.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
                                                                Behind My Screen

                                                                and that same group of people, under McCain, will get a huge tax levied on them if they get health insurence from their employer, taking even more money out of their pocket.

                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                #24.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
                                                                lawdoc

                                                                wake up is right if you are lazy vote obama if you are a socialist vote obama if you want terrorist vote obama

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                #24.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:32 PM EDT
                                                                Kari-398894

                                                                and I suppose you think Obama gives a who about you?

                                                                  #24.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
                                                                  Kurt-449104

                                                                  If every DEM is so lazy and none of us have jobs, then we wont give a flying flute about y'all richy rich folks tax problems, we'z a just a be so happy gettin ourz gobment check from all you working slaves... thank you,

                                                                  thank you for your condescending attitude, always claiming you're the only ones who have jobs and work.

                                                                  and thank you for driving more and more independents and undecideds to Obama, sincerely, Thank you.

                                                                    #24.5 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
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                                                                    Gulliver Swift

                                                                    Did Rupert Murdoch buy the AP too?

                                                                    Who can you actually trust to give you news that isn't doctored?

                                                                    • 2 votes
                                                                    Reply#25 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:41 PM EDT
                                                                    agio

                                                                    As a matter of fact he sits on the Board of Directors.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #25.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
                                                                    Gulliver Swift

                                                                    Maybe the constitution should have considered foreign ownership of the press.

                                                                      #25.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
                                                                      old enough

                                                                      yes he did, didn't you know.rupert murdoch is a wealthy old man that the republicans have had on their side all these years but this year some of the richest americans support Obama because they want to give back to america so that all of us can live in peace and with a brighter future for our children, some of us know that all the money in the world will not make up for the greed that has ran wild during these past 8 years and we are sick the fear factor. the ap poll is a small sampling of southern whites over the age of 58 who have no college and most can not read that is why they just go along with what the party tells them, but the young can read and understand and they see thru the lies and smears and they support Obama and change. just thought I would post my last comment because it is time to dress for dinner. Oh by the way when my grandkids wink at the dinner table and I wink back my other family members think that we are doing a Sarah Palin but the wink is for Obama and the change that is coming can not wait to see their faces the morning after the election. I still do not know why it concerns them they more than enough to keep them for their lifetimes and yet they want more and more. Greed is ugly. Lets share the wealth and rebuild america for all americans. P>S>Its raining here in Texas so we will be eating indoors with a nice fire for the effect not for warmth.

                                                                        #25.3 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
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                                                                        TheJonesGirl

                                                                        Right, it's tied.  I guess the newsorgs are afraid that no one will tune in on Nov. 4 if Obama is ahead.

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        Reply#26 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
                                                                        T Lane-620515

                                                                        That's what I was wondering??????????

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #26.1 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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