Todd: Hispanics could put Obama over the top

Also, ABC puts the Hispanic polling for Obama at 70%

Here is their interactive data map. Use the checkboxes to make various selections one or all.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/PollTracker/fullpage?id=5611512

Also Governor Palin did an interview with Telemundo which I believe airs tonight.

Telemundo: http://tv.telemundo.yahoo.com/noticierotelemundo/index.html

The sneak peek can be seen on MSNBC as David Shuster speaks with Telemundo interviewer Pedro Sevcek who openly observes that immigration is a sore subject with Hispanics because McCain's approach is very different from last year to this year. In essence he (McCain) has been silent.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553

Two hispanic fourth graders in class today got into a fist fight over the argument their parents are having about which sides of the family will be smuggled over first before Obama is elected. When the children were interviewed separately about why they were fighting, the little boys both said that when Obama's elected their cousins don't have to be on a waiting list and neither do their parents anymore and everyone will get to be american then.

12 million added to our Health Care and welfare system Americans, INSTANTLY, and that doesn't count the millions that are sneaking in now and will be in the next months to get on board the free band wagon. Now what do you think the Dangerous Huge Mexican Drug Cartel will do with their already exsisting Methamphetamine Centers stationed in our big cities? The Large and growing Deadly Mexican Gangs working for these Drug Cartel Centers?

Do you know what my 80 year old grandfather, who is a very kind, non racist retired hard working man, told me today after catching a bit of an Obama rally on tv for the first time? He said "I hate to say this, but do you know who Barack Obama looks like and sounds like to me? I remember those days, and he reminds me of Hitler". This is coming from a good hearted man with no bias or interest in this election. He doesn't watch tv regularly, he doesn't drink and he doesn't smoke. It shocked me that he would say such a thing, but I know he meant it from his heart, he just saw and was immediately reminded of days gone past in history.

Obama is using the same mind-emotion control of propoganda manipulation in his speeches and campaign ads that Hitler's entire momentum and structure was built on. The worst part is Obama is also planning to put into place the same government structure as well. Obama is Not a Good Thing Americans.

  Interesting analogy, but what you are saying is that because he makes economic platforms that enhance the lower & middle  classes he's Hitler like ...right?

  So the alternative is to be like czarist Russia where only the very poor or very rich exist in any numbers under McCain. 

  So McCain is czarist Russia and Obama is Hitlers Germany. We as Americans you give no credit to. They'll just manuver us to either extreme, no problem, like zombies we'll follow. You probably saw a Palin rally , I forgive you.

  Of course your forgetting the socialists, but their really the neo - republicans buying up the economic system arm and arm with China. But thats probably ok.

   Obama can preform a speech and actually sound intelligent, thats not Hitler, but its certainly not McCain / Palin. He probably took some of his style from church, but that doesn't make him Hitler.

   Next time you pass you local middle school ask for the best strategy gamer in the school. Ask him what happens when you spread out your military, ship your manufacturing to unreliable allies, eliminate your merchant marine,  enchance your most unproductive class, and destroy your middle class.  Answer: YOU LOSE!

Im neither, as both candidates will not make great presidents. Its very sad, that this election seems to be having a large polarizing effect based upon ethnicity. At least in this discussion. America should just vote for their candidate based upon which platform they like the best. This ethnic polarization will like divide America along these lines and I guess there will have to be some making up after this election, no matter which side wins. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Funny, no parties needed, b/c Jewish people are rallying behind Obama.  So much for your grandfather's ridiculous analogy.

Scar Hitler blamed the jews for their bad economy, they needed someone to blame just like Republicans blame Hispanics now and you can see the hate fill posting on this forum. McCain looks more like Hitler to me full of hate, anger and fear.

Try looking at it a different way. Obama's message resonates with a more diverse electorate than McCain. What can be wrong with that? IMO: Nothing. Just inclusive representation for more Americans. Which candidates are actively dividing us? That would be McCain and his unvetted base pick from the far right who thrives upon high-school level divisiveness and is naive enough to beleive this too will also be an effective tactic on the real world stage. IMO: McCain should have picked Romney and I beleive this 100% in a big, big way. Yes, Bush indeed polarized us all too dear but in all fairness he did so without specific intention. Deplorably, it is the McCain campaign that intentionally seeks to further divide us by rehashing outdated 20th century politics. Ironically though, the resounding ill effects are seen on the GOP side of the aisle.

(BTW: the ABC polling daily tracking poll (posted above) changed to 65%.)

Keith O MSNBC got busted lying on the air, last week!!!!!   MSNBC is a bs station.  Stuuuupid White people stay home 11-4-08, we dont need or want your vote.

Just start giving us your money on Wednesday 11-5-08, we will be waiting for you!!!!!!!!!!

You are what is called a TRUE RACIST,so shut up and crawl back to your Multi-family dwelling with the rest of you un-educated, lazy, work dodgers.Rhondac

This is one hispanic that will never vote for that silver tongued liar called Barry Soteros!

Barry Soteros! Go BACK TO KENYA!

Let us have a frank discussion about debunking the myth of the monolithic Hispanic vote.

What exactly is the Hispanic vote? Are Hispanics one issue voters. Do we vote as a block guided by some overriding unity of purpose, background, culture, or even fear? The answers to these questions are anything but simple. The first question assumes that we all define Hispanic the same way. I self identify as Hispanic. Like many of my friends and fellow Hispanics I am first and foremost an American.

My father was a Colombian immigrant who put himself through school, built a business, and dedicated his life to providing his children with the advantages of being educated Americans. I grew up in the Bronx during the late 60s and early 70s . I am a product of New York City public schools and parents who emphasized books over street. The Bronx of the 70s was a place of radical ideas and people. During the mid-'70s, the South Bronx averaged 12,000 fires a year. In the burned-out zone that remained, police fought a losing battle against drugs and gangs. My world consisted of an apartment complex peopled by individuals from every racial and ethnic background. I bought my candy and gum at the corner bodegas, watched the old men on the corner playing dominos and bought crushed ice flavored with “red.” We never knew what red was but it tasted great! Many evenings were spent at my Tio Luis’ house where Cumbia music played and my cousins and I got in trouble constantly. I was a minority even in my own neighborhood as at that time the vast majority of Hispanics in New York were Puerto Rican.

Today, the largest group of Hispanics in the United States are of Mexican descent. My experience growing up in the South Bronx is markedly different from Hispanics growing up in Texas, California, New Mexico or Florida.

We Hispanics represent the vast spectrum that is America today. We come in every shade and in every economic and educational stripe. We even disagree about who is and is not Hispanic. We disagree about the use of the word Hispanic!

So what do we have in common? We all have a subtle yet extraordinarily important connection that links us. People know us as Hispanic. Even when we do not “self identify” as Hispanic we are identified nonetheless. I wear this label proudly.

Many studies have been done that attempt to identify and categorize Hispanic voting patterns and strength. The one point that they all make is that the Hispanic population in this nation is growing, becoming more economically powerful and in turn, politically powerful.

To me, what matters is who we are at our core. I submit to you all that Hispanic values are American values; that Hispanic issues are American issues, and that efforts to court the Hispanic vote that do not recognize these realities are doomed to fail.

Today, as when I grew up, Hispanics in the Bronx vote Democratic in overwhelming numbers. Hispanic voters in many urban areas have traditionally voted Democratic in large numbers. This voting pattern is viewed by the Democratic Party as an Annuity. A sum that is expected each and every year without the need of further investing. Hispanics, by and large have been a consistent and valuable annuity for Democrats. Today, as a result of the multitude of mediums through which political news and discussions are distributed, this annuity may not only dwindle, but cease to pay entirely.

Let me state as clearly as possible that I am a Republican. I was not always a Republican. After all, I grew up in the Bronx. I didn’t even know what a Republican looked like. So why should a Hispanic from the Bronx be a Republican? That is a simpler answer. I have read and understand the party platforms. I am a father of two young children concerned about their future and the direction our country is going. My views are shaped by the totality of my experiences.

Like many Hispanics I am culturally conservative. I am a practicing Catholic and believe in family values. It is family values that propel much Latin American immigration to the United States. Many immigrants sacrifice for their loved ones: sometimes leaving behind spouses and children to find a better way to provide for them. Like many Hispanics, I am economically conservative. I believe in a leg up not a hand out. Like many Hispanics, I am focused on my children’s education, safety and well-being. Like many Hispanics, I do not focus solely on immigration policy as the sole issue in this election. Like many Hispanics I look for a President who will ensure the safety of our country, and enable us Americans to achieve the American dream.

In short, the “Hispanic vote” is made up of Americans who cannot be easily categorized except as caring, family centered, upwardly mobile, and looking for candidates who value and share these traits. Thankfully the Republican Party has recognized this reality. The Democrats in this, and coming elections, risk their annuity by conducting business as usual.

Thank God for people like you! Obviously you will be a member of the future Obama secret police. Once all three branches of Government, are combined into one. I have one question, can I be in charge of the Firing Squad to execute people that don't agree with you, Holy Master.

jogree

Which statistic do you not believe?  Do you think he made the numbers up?

yes he did I would not be surprised since thet multiply like rabbits

Yes the media has been making up the numbers from day 1!!! I received a phone call a few days ago and once the pollster found out what yr I was born and he quickly hung up on me hmmmmm !!! I wondered WHY? I e-mailed a well respected journalist in town and inquired to him as to WHY they would do that and he replied that it was meant to warp and skew the numbers to their advantage.

Attack the messenger and avoid the message??? It is pretty silly to charge bias by those biased.

jogree, you will see the Chuck's pronostications are very accurate.  Please write back on November 5 if Chuck's analysis was incorrect.

I think the nubers are even greater for democrats, I estimate 90% goes to democrats  and 10% goes to republicans.

Good old Rush and Beck and hannity et al. They forgot these people vote too

Ya Jogree, here in Orlando there are several article in the Spanish Language press about the immigration backlash.  I also believe that Palin was the icing on the cake so to speak because she is just not playing well with Hispanic women at all.  Even when she was here last week and visited a prominent Hispanic dinner with a large group of friendly republican Hispanic women, you could tell how uncomfortable she was.  I think the Hispanic community in Florida just smell some kind of contempt she has for them and they just do not like her.  I know the article says that Cubans are excepted from that feeling but I don't think that is true either.  I think the Cuban women just smile a lot and pretent to like her.

No, Brenda, he's not that bad.  In fact, I'd say that he's very fair and level-headed. I've never seen anything that would merit disparaging remarks or attacks against his character.  I've often seen Todd talking Keith Olbermann down from some of the latter's more virulent rants.

Jp your experience is yours alone I have found bias toward the Democratic Party  and I am an independent so go figure

Chuck is an honest, intelligent first rate guy.

why would MSNBC have such a bad person working for them if he wasn't good? Todd is a great journalist and this numbers are true... leave todd alone!

Nope he is honest unless you are a right wingnut who cant stand the truth. These numbers are in every poll so how can you seriously charge him for spin.

As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:

1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you.  This will serve to give those of you who are under-achieving a "fair shake".

2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst you.  This will help those who are "too busy for overtime" to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.

3. All top management will now be referred to as "the government." We will not participate in this "pooling" experience because the law doesn't apply to us.

4. The "government" will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging its workers to continue to work hard "for the good of all".

5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's "good to spread the wealth around".  Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more "patriotic".

6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks.  Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage.  If you appeal directly to our Democratic congress, you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?)!!!

 We need a laugh! LOL, LOL, LOL

If McCain is elected there will be no jobs to go to. So everyone except the very rich will be broke. America will become a failed state

Hey Sam, how do you figure that under McCain there will be no jobs?Check the facts!Obama will spread the wealth around like a disease,using tax dollars to give away welfare checks and foodstamps to lazy work dodgers,add the fact of raising taxes on Large and small businesses,Obama will cause job losses at a catostrophic rate further destroying our economy.Vote McCain/Palin.they will stop the high taxes on businesses,keeping jobs here, along with building Nuclear power plants,clean coal plants and more oil drilling rigs which will create millions of jobs and tax revenues.

I wish you were right, but I'm afraid you're just crass.

You have seen the light huh? I think that you are right McCain will win only time will tell

I get  tired  of hearing we get the  govenment  we  deserve....I reject that... We never deserved  Bush/Cheney...not ever...The average  voter  tries  his/her best...I think  their  best  is a little lacking...but they  try....If  Obama  has  done nothing else...he  has  increased the  voting  rolls and appears to have inspired  young  voters...I think  he  is equally inspiring to young  hispanic voters as  any other  young  voters...Ditto  older  hispanic and non-hispanic  voters...Our  dreams  are  really all the same...I think   his  inspiration and  presidentail demeanor  crosses  many  lines rich/poor, culures, color and age, ,  I am not  sure  what we  deserve....but I know  we  do not  deserve the conti8nued  diviseness the McCain/Palin  tem  would continue...

deroty... I suppose you are correct. Just Look at what we have at the moment.

Deroty,
Did you say Binbo? So what and who are you? for Sarah is a Governor and Bimbo's are not Governers..Sometimes we all like to put woman down for our own smallness of many ways/sides.....
Yeah Lets spread the wealth-I assure you Obama is not spreading his wealth-just yours and mine!
Spreading the wealth..well if you are not a productive human being then spreading the wealth might excite you!~ So let's all vote for Obama, in the name of non productive human beings..like lazy bums

Deroty,

You couldn't have said it better. Who would have thought W would win second time around? Even Bush himself must have been surprised by his own victory. You are right. Judging by the past two elections, Americans will vote against their own interest and McCain/Palin will win this election.

God I hope you are righ about the outcome of McCain winning,because if Obama does in fact  win, we are screwed.Illegals will run amock,taxes will increase and billions will be wasted on pipe dream ebergy theories.Go McCain.

I am truly afraid for all of the Latino souls that vote for a candidate that is pro-choice. I hope you are not a God-fearing family! 

Hey bro Obama lies as much what is your point?

Elias91... Very well said.

Good for you because all you have to do is look at the lies you see from the mCCain camp and you can tell the voters are being played for suckers. If someone knows its a lie and keeps saying it you syspect everything is

In just a few months of Obama, and you will pray for someone like Bush to rescue you and everyone else.

The Obama campaign recently admitted that it paid an affiliate of ACORN, the controversial community organizer that Obama represented in Chicago, more than $832,000 for “voter turnout” work during the primaries. The campaign initially claimed the money had been spent on “staging, sound and light” and “advance work.”

State and federal law enforcement in 11 states are investigating allegations of voter registration fraud against the Obama campaign. ACORN workers repeatedly registered voters in the name of “Mickey Mouse,” and registered the entire starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys twice: once in Nevada, and again in Minnesota.

A group that has worked with ACORN in the past registered a dead goldfish under the name “Princess Nudelman” in Illinois. When reporters informed Beth Nudelman, a Democrat, that her former pet was a registered voter, she said, “This person is a dead fish."

ACORN was known for its “intimidation tactics,” said independent scholar Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow with the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C., who has researched Obama’s long-standing ties to the group.

Fully 30 percent of 1.3 million new voters ACORN claims to have registered this year are believed to be illegitimate. Obama’s flagrant busing of out-of-state caucus participants from Illinois was so obvious that even Joe Biden — today his running mate, then his rival — pointed it out at the time. Check it out... he's a power hungry fraud!

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_voter_fraud/2008/10/27/144303.html?s=al&promo_code=6E3F-1

Actually, this situation with Acorn grows more interesting by the day.  Kind of like the CHADS of last election, this situation can not make anyone happy that is for sure. And 11 states means that it may likely not be coincidence. We will have to wait and see, if there is anything really interesting that comes of this. In the meantime, we have to wait and see what the facts are.

I guess the point is...Spreading the Wealth-everyone wants a piece of each others wealth..oh wait..What about those that don't work..Oh well!~ at least Obama is not spreading his wealth...believe me!~!!

As a hispanic and Catholic, I am ashamed of my culture voting for this Marxist and baby killer.  May God Bless America! 

Darrin stop spreading gossip..I have seen them as well and the crowd were diverse with even black folks in attendance.

middleearth...     "Oh and there were even Black Folks"...Wow, what a diverse bunch you McCain/Republican supporters are

Did you see all the caucasions in that crowd of 100,000 Obama drew in Denver

Black folks....Man that is old south

Yes logdump,they came to see the show!He is a Liberal Tax and Spend Chicago Politician,nothing more,people love to see a good show, I just pray they no better than to vote for the magic act that is Obama.A liar.cheat,and dishonest to the American people,he is trying to BUY the Presidency of The United States of America and the people better realize that soon,before it is too late.

How is it that the hispanic vote will decide this election.  Most of them do not speak english.  How is it that they are voting for the president of our country when they are still flying the flag for their own question. I cannot find anyone willing to answer that question.  I thought only US citizens could vote.  Not every illegal US citizen. 

Dan LOL

dan-405104... Oh.. Now we really know what the Republicans really think of the Hispanic vote.

That is a very good question. I have been fighting the Registrar of Voters Department of San Joaquin County California for a year now on this very issue since California has a major illegal immigration problem. I was(am) concerned about voter fraud in this state. During the last election, the issued ballets were in Spanish. I was outraged over having the ballot in Spanish. The law of this country is that only CITIZENS vote, and part of the criteria of being a citizen is to be able to READ and WRITE English making the need for ballets in another language not necessary. I am cognizant of the Civil rights Act of 1964, but it must act within the law. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 DOES NOT justify printing ballets in another language when it is illegal under Article I of the Constitution AND The Immigration and Naturalization Act for non citizens to vote. Laws must act within the framework of the Constitution. This is the very definition of RULE OF LAW! I think the Democrats and Republicans have been trying to bribe illegal aliens with citizenship for their vote.

Destruct, you say:

The law of this country is that only CITIZENS vote, and part of the criteria of being a citizen is to be able to READ and WRITE English making the need for ballets in another language not necessary. I am cognizant of the Civil rights Act of 1964, but it must act within the law. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 DOES NOT justify printing ballets in another language when it is illegal under Article I of the Constitution AND The Immigration and Naturalization Act for non citizens to vote.

Destruct, I hate to tell you this, but the ability to speak, read and write English is NOT a criterion for U.S. citizenship.  It never was.  Everyone should be able to communicate in English, but it's not required, and no one should be denied their constitutional rights because they don't communicate in English.  The more citizens who can vote, the better for our democracy; and that does justify printing ballots in other languages.

Yes it is. Here is the criteria for citizenship:

Requirements for U.S. Citizenship

Age

Applicants must be at least 18 years old.

Residency

An applicant must have been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence. Lawfully admitted for permanent residence means having been legally accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States as an immigrant in accordance with the immigration laws. Individuals who have been lawfully admitted as permanent residents will be asked to produce an I-551, Alien Registration Receipt Card, as proof of their status.

Residence and Physical Presence

An applicant is eligible to file if, immediately preceding the filing of the application, he or she:

• has been lawfully admitted for permanent residence;

• has resided continuously as a lawful permanent resident in the U.S. for at least 5 years prior to filing with absences from the United States totaling no more than one year;

• has been physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the previous five years (absences of more than six months but less than one year break the continuity of residence unless the applicant can establish that he or she did not abandon his or her residence during such period);

• has resided within a state or district for at least three months.

Good Moral Character

Generally, an applicant must show that he or she has been a person of good moral character for the statutory period (typically five years or three years if married to a U.S. citizen or one year for Armed Forces expedite) prior to filing for naturalization. The Service is not limited to the statutory period in determining whether an applicant has established good moral character. An applicant is permanently barred from naturalization if he or she has ever been convicted of murder. An applicant is also permanently barred from naturalization if he or she has been convicted of an aggravated felony as defined in section 101(a)(43) of the Act on or after November 29, 1990. A person also cannot be found to be a person of good moral character if during the last five years he or she:

• has committed and been convicted of one or more crimes involving moral turpitude

• has committed and been convicted of 2 or more offenses for which the total sentence imposed was 5 years or more

• has committed and been convicted of any controlled substance law, except for a single offense of simple possession of 30 grams or less of marijuana

• has been confined to a penal institution during the statutory period, as a result of a conviction, for an aggregate period of 180 days or more

• has committed and been convicted of two or more gambling offenses

• is or has earned his or her principle income from illegal gambling

• is or has been involved in prostitution or commercialized vice

• is or has been involved in smuggling illegal aliens into the United States

• is or has been a habitual drunkard

• is practicing or has practiced polygamy

• has willfully failed or refused to support dependents

• has given false testimony, under oath, in order to receive a benefit under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

An applicant must disclose all relevant facts to the Service, including his or her entire criminal history, regardless of whether the criminal history disqualifies the applicant under the enumerated provisions.

Attachment to the Constitution

An applicant must show that he or she is attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States.

Language

Applicants for naturalization must be able to read, write, speak, and understand words in ordinary usage in the English language. Applicants exempt from this requirement are those who on the date of filing:

• have been residing in the United States subsequent to a lawful admission for permanent residence for at least 15 years and are over 55 years of age;

• have been residing in the United States subsequent to a lawful admission for permanent residence for at least 20 years and are over 50 years of age; or

• have a medically determinable physical or mental impairment, where the impairment affects the applicant’s ability to learn English.

United States Government and History Knowledge

An applicant for naturalization must demonstrate a knowledge and understanding of the fundamentals of the history and of the principles and form of government of the United States. Applicants exempt from this requirement are those who, on the date of filing, have a medically determinable physical or mental impairment, where the impairment affects the applicant’s ability to learn U.S. History and Government.

Applicants who have been residing in the U.S. subsequent to a lawful admission for permanent residence for at least 20 years and are over the age of 65 will be afforded special consideration in satisfying this requirement.

Oath of Allegiance

To become a citizen, one must take the oath of allegiance. By doing so, an applicant swears to:

• support the Constitution and obey the laws of the U.S.;

• renounce any foreign allegiance and/or foreign title; and

• bear arms for the Armed Forces of the U.S. or perform services for the government of the U.S. when required.

In certain instances, where the applicant establishes that he or she is opposed to any type of service in armed forces based on religious teaching or belief, USCIS will permit these applicants to take a modified oath.

Spouses of U.S. Citizens

Generally, certain lawful permanent residents married to a U.S. citizen may file for naturalization after residing continuously in the United States for three years if immediately preceding the filing of the application:

• the applicant has been married to and living in a valid marital union with the same U.S. citizen spouse for all three years;

• the U.S. spouse has been a citizen for all three years and meets all physical presence and residence requirements; and

• the applicant meets all other naturalization requirements.

There are also exceptions for lawful permanent residents married to U.S. citizens stationed or employed abroad. Some lawful permanent residents may not have to comply with the residence or physical presence requirements when the U.S. citizen spouse is employed by one of the following:

• the U.S. Government (including the U.S. Armed Forces);

• American research institutes recognized by the Attorney General;

• recognized U.S. religious organizations;

• U.S. research institutions;

• an American firm engaged in the development of foreign trade and commerce of the United States; or

• certain public international organizations involving the United States.

Veterans of U.S. Armed Forces

Certain applicants who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces are eligible to file for naturalization based on current or prior U.S. military service. Such applicants should file the N-400 Military Naturalization Packet.

Lawful Permanent Residents with Three Years U.S. Military Service

An applicant who has served for three years in the U.S. military and who is a lawful permanent resident is excused from any specific period of required residence, period of residence in any specific place, or physical presence within the United States if an application for naturalization is filed while the applicant is still serving or within six months of an honorable discharge.
To be eligible for these exemptions, an applicant must:

• have served honorably or separated under honorable conditions;

• completed three years or more of military service;

• be a legal permanent resident at the time of his or her examination on the application; or

• establish good moral character if service was discontinuous or not honorable.

Applicants who file for naturalization more than six months after termination of three years of service in the U.S. military may count any periods of honorable service as residence and physical presence in the United States.

An applicant who has served honorably during any of the following periods of conflict is entitled to certain considerations:

World War I - 4/16/17 to 11/11/18;
World War II - 9/1/39 to 12/31/46;
Korean Conflict - 6/25/50 to 7/1/55;
Vietnam Conflict - 2/28/61 to 10/15/78;
Operation Desert Shield/ Desert Storm - 8/29/90 to 4/11/91; or
any other period which the President, by Executive Order, has designated as a period in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or were engaged in military operations involving armed conflict with hostile foreign forces.

Applicants who have served during any of the aforementioned conflicts may apply for naturalization based on military service after qualifying service and the requirements for specific periods of physical presence in the United States and residence in the United States are waived

Get your facts straight!

If there are illegals voting you can blame the Republicans for bringing them here to work in their sweat shops.

Destruct,

I've got my facts straight.  Do you?

You state the general requirements for naturalization.  You are correct that naturalization requires basic knowledge of English.  Naturalization is one way to become a citizen, but it is not the exclusive way.  In the case of speakers of other languages, their children who are born in the United States or its territories are citizens by birth, not naturalization; and they need not know English.  The naturalization requirements also exempt long-term legal residents of the United States from the language requirement.

In sum, you are correct with regard to the general requirements of the naturalization process, and I am correct with regard to those born within the United States and its territories.  Fair enough?

Technically under the law what you say is true, but the "spirit" of the law was to require that people LEGALLY immigrating to this country would follow the requirements I posted above and learn English so that their children would speak English. One would think that second generation immigrants would be able to speak English. Anchor babies are a problem that needs to be addressed.          

JPF, I do not agree with your logic as the law seems very specific. One can not make assumptions about peoples' behavior.

Freedom, you might not agree with my logic, but you have to agree with the facts.  If you want further clarity on the law, then read the 14th Amendment to our Constitution:

All persons BORN or naturalized IN THE UNITED STATES, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. - XIV Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (emphasis added)

The fact is that there ARE U.S. citizens who don't speak English.  That's one reason why t I was a volunteer ESL teacher for three years.  And that's why election materials and ballots may be printed in more than one language.

My discussion with DestructZero is strictly about the law and what it provides.  What "assumptions about people's behavior" are you refering to?

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but most people born and raised in the USA can't (and don't) speak English properly! There is the Queen's English and there is America's English and America's English has embarrassed it's older sister, the Queen.

I think before Americans talk about people from other countries coming into the USA and speaking English, they should realize that these people are bi or multi-lingual. They not only speak America's English, but also, the language of their original country. How many Americans are bi or multi-lingual? Not many, considering most of them can't speak English!!

I think before we ask another person to speak English; Americans should learn how to speak (and read and write) English themselves!

Dan you're the only f-ing illegal here!

No hablas para todos Moreno! esta Alemana y Hispana votara por Obama.

Translation: you do not talk for all Moreno! this German and Spanish will vote for Obama

Most of the Hispanics that I know are all voting for Obama I have not come across one who is for McCain.

Linda7777 is right, I also don't know many Latinos who are going to vote for McCain.

A. Moreno...

I believe you are a little psychotic. Because the Democratic hopeful Hilary Clinton did not win the nomination, you will vote for a loser like McCain just to show your annoyance. Oh Yes, that makes sense.

Coaster 1

 I am a New Yorker I was born and raised in Ny and I know my Hispanics People and they are not fools.

Soy Mexicano/Americano and our Familia and comunidad will be voting Obama/Biden.  Not to stereotype our culture (since those of you who are Hispanic know how big our familiy network is) but that mean 125 first cousins and many aunts and uncles... probably closer to 150 are changing to the Democratic ticket this election.  Keep in mind the 150 is composed mostly of two sides of our family.  haha :)  Yes, we are bigger in terms of the nuclear familial makeup but were also educated and I do think the Hispanic vote will go big for Obama/Biden.

Ok you must be one of the few who will not but that is your right

I know a lot of republicans that voted for Obama, they changed their mind after McCain picked Palin. I know of at least 7 here in New Mexico, early voting. I also know a lot of hispanics too that voted for Obama, we have 40% and they are not illegals, most of them have been here for many generations.

Stupid mexicans, go to work on 11-4-08, we don't need or want your vote!!!!!!!!!!

Wednesday 11-5-08, go outside, give us blacks your money and SHUT UP!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Bless you and I hope you see the truth soon,vote for John McCain,Obama won't help anyone with our numerous problems,McCain is our best chance.

moreno- you need to get over the clinton defeat already. you obviosly didnt listen to her words anyway if you are voting for mccain. so much for supporting her.  

Como un tejano hispanico tambien, estoy completamente de acuerdo consigo.  Votamos por el respeto, por la justicia, por la mejora y la esperanza, por el futuro de nuestro pais.  Gracias a usted.

I see he sold you that Broklyn Bridge too!!!

Esta Alemana Y Hispana votara por Obama :)

Middleearth... you are a fool if you think we are sold on any bridge.  If you think the Republicans have done such a wonderful job, then why are voters leaning Democratic this election?  I bet had we been doing well under a mostly ran Republican party the last 8 years, we would be keeping out votes there.  That isnt the case....

Gracias
 Con Obama se encuentra el respeto, la justicia y el mejoramiento de nuestro estilo de vida

Obama supporter, you are wrong, as both sides are employing negative tactics to win this presidency. Its too bad you can not see that, I personally am not in favor of either candidate. But the truth is the truth, both sides are using negativity to try and gain an advantage. Sorry to burst your bubble.

obama, obama, ra! ra! ra!

he will give us papers , make us legal, give us welfare, give us money from other people.

viva obama!

Hey (logdum) te aventaste! big log-dump.

The truth hurts,you see how he (camacs) thinks,Vote McCain/Palin,save our country.

Gary Said... "The truth hurts, you see how he (camacs) thinks"

Camacs said:  "

obama, obama, ra! ra! ra!

he will give us papers , make us legal, give us welfare, give us money from other people.

viva obama!"

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Yes, and I bet you believe in the Easter Bunny too.... (rolling eyes)

Camacs isn't fooling anybody. I bet you are not even hispanic, you are just making it look like it so folks here will think that hispanics think the same, just like gary from norfolk fell for it.. but of course he would. make us legal... illegals can't even vote. no president can make an illegal legal... only money can.

I am Hispanics, and I can tell that Chuck Todd  is totally right, more over, Obama could get 80% of the Hispanic vote.  Before I say anything I vote for GW Bush twice ( shame of me) and I start getting away from Republicans after listening to the readio talk. The issue was all this antimmigration rethoric . In many ocassions I posted opinion saying that without Hispanic , even in a close race , Republicans can't win without the Hispanic vote  and that the immigration issue would harm this party. 

Going to the point, my opinion was based in that even I came to this country legally and I am US citizen now, the antiimmigration policies of the Republicans were harming my friends who I share my table with and my children , facing progressive animosity at the School. In mAny ocassions I told other Republicans that every legal Hispanics is emotionally attached to illegal Hispanics because of freinship, we are very protective of each other,  then whatever policy that harm our friends that are not llegally it is harming all of us that are here llegally.

If they (republicans) would be able to have a real understanding of our culture , probably the attacks with such hate to our syster and brothers would  never have had place and perhaps a great numbers of us would be supportive of them, but they destroyed the trust and we hardly will vote for a Republican again.

I dont like this racial-ethnic stereotype that many keep hammerring away on. Its what has made this election terrible, as if one disagrees with the other side they are not being tolerant of race or ethnicity. Its turned a lot of voters off to this presidential election, and bottom line is I do not believe either leader will make a great president. Im looking forward to 2012 for a fresh new slate of candidates, and an increased focus on a more ethical race, so far it has been terrible in that regard.

Freedom, I agree completely with your comment here.  We all need to stick to the candidates' qualities and proposals in deciding who should lead our nation, and not be swayed by prejudices and stereotypes.

I hoped the walls would be 80 feet high to keep out the wrong people

Amen! middleearth

No nos diga mas mentiras, cabron.

Are you trying to be funny JPF?

No, Midde.  Are you? I find no humor in lies and mischaracterizations, and I find no humor in where this thread has gone. [See comments below from Paul, Worky, baxter, Doug, et al.]

You do not want to know what he said LOL

JPF- you are funny. middleearth says it wants the wrong people out... wtf does it considers itself good? blahhh ha ha! don't make me laugh. why don't you go & get married to gary form norfok and go live in happily ever after. 

some of it starts in the prisons between rival gangs and then finds its way out onto the streets, I think.

but I think that it is overblown

Thanks, Doug....I hope so.

one of the main reasons, and i do have to say that i don;t support this reason... but here goes... when latinos come to the USA they USUALLY come to work, well they usually are poor and have to live in broken inter-city areas.  most of the people that live in these don't work and are supported by the government, so there are to different mindsets,  a group that strong work ethic and another group that lacks desire to work... here in lies the problems...

not my point of view but a point that is shared my many Latinos...

Thank you, archman.

you're welcome... but i do have to say that sadly, the latino race lately has latched on to the mentality that the government somehow owes them something and some have started to leech onto the government for handouts...

"you're welcome... but i do have to say that sadly, the latino race lately has latched on to the mentality that the government somehow owes them something and some have started to leech onto the government for handouts..."

Lately?  I would like for you to back that statement up with facts instead of casusal observations.  I dont know where you live but from where I have been and with those that I have spoken to... the greater majority of Hispanics I know work their *** off to make a decent wage and living for their families.  Yes, there are the few who want everything FREE but please dont marginalize the majority who arent of that mind set.

OOPS!!! let me correct that and say "SOME" of the latino race has latched on.... it is amazing how one word can make a world of difference... thanks for catching that jjjjjmmmmm...

Do not listen to archman thats not the reason. There is not that much resentment from either side to each other. Pitting the two against each other is a right wing plot to get votes for their lame candidates. Take it from an old Republican who was asked to keep this fire burning and left that party because of it. It is the same with right wingers and left. As long as the keep them fighting the real story gets muddled.

"The latino race?" what race is that? what you call latinos or hispanics come from many different countries and their culture is so diverse as to countries in Europe their only common ground is the language. If they hated blacks they would not be voting for Obama like many racist whites.

(Arco-man) they owe us a lot!! thats why we come to get all we can, and Obama is going to give us more.

Four of my cousins are here already from Mexico and expecting 10 more soon as they can cross the border, hopefully before Obama becomes president.

You are not getting a damn thing from Obama nor the American people.  That is why the immigration garbage which McCain put forth did not pass twice and will never pass.  The American people will make sure there will be no amnesty.  And as far as someone comments about coming to the inner city and working, who in the hell do you think held those positions before you wetbacks junped the fence, stole SS#s?  Black Americans the only difference was that we received good pay.  Because or your stupidity corporate american new they could use and screw you people in working for 2.00 a day. Fools.  Take your baby making asses home and don't forget to take the 30.000 gang memebers in prisons with you.

Mysay... a tad racist??? If you were educated no illegal would have taken your job.  Thats an argument that ignorant uneducated unskilled people make.  The jobs that "wetbacks" as you call them are doing are not the jobs any well to do americans are doing.   Give me a break good paying to work in the fields or cooks some pancakes at Dennys????  and the 30k gangmembers grew up in America and are a product of America, they didnt come to this country as gangmembers dumbass.

Pam wrote-

"I'm curious to know why hispanics are so biased against blacks?"

i'd say it's mostly the older generations that are biased. the newer generations don't think like that.  

Exactly Pam. That is old school mentality.

Those are Gangs and cannot be considered as Representative of either culture just as we cannot view all whites as being just like the Arian brotherhood or any other white gang. In my city Latinos Mexicans and poor whites along with blacks all share the same neighborhoods without the slightest racial problems. These are poor neighborhoods none the less but they all share one thing in common. Low pay poor working conditions lack of insurance etc. But then we do not have the Gang problems LA has.  

Most gangmembers don't care enough to vote or they can't vote because they are felons. Nice try Sertorius.

Every gang that only allows people the same race or culture to be members, like to fight/kill other races/cultures, especially in prison. Whites against blacks and vice versa.

sertorios- ahhh, and you think gang members go to the polls?? think again.

Immigration reform and amnesty?  McCain was for it before he was against it.  And I must have missed something:  don't people still have to prove their eligibility for social services?  Have you been watching Lou Dobbs again, Fed?

Both McCain and Obama will support an amnesty. 

How about reading the wealth of ressearch shown at the website I show in my post and then see if you still need to ask me that question again?

Tiresome

OLD! Viejo :)

I wasn't aware illegal aliens could vote....

For your information not all Hispanics are illegals there are Hispanics from the Island of Puerto Rico who are born citizens of the United States. Since the Island is mainly Democratictake one guess who they are voting for I have lots of Puerto Rican friends and they are also Voting for Obama. Check you Countries not every one who Speaks Spanish is illegal honey.

In fact, illegals stay away from the voting booths because it makes it more likely that they might be caught.

Not this Puerto Rican.

Paul- the aliens from planet pluto can vote.

Ivonne- you and danny yankee.. haha!

The difference is YOU CAN MOVE to a better place with all the conditions you mentioned.  Not sit back in the BAD hoods and complain its still not enough.

Capitalism allows you the FREEDOM to make those CHOICES.  NOT HAND OUTS.

THose CAPITALISTS  sure haev their  hands  out  now...billions......

The party of corporate welfare is feeding them like they were hogs and they just found a mountain of slop as they get closer to the door.

Listen to  yourself...do oyu  really believe that? 

You know, tonto, most Hispanics in this country are U.S. citizens, and they vote.

I am a second-generation Hispanic.  My father served with distinction in combat in WWII, as did his brother.  My brother is a Vietnam War vet.  You would find that my family's story is no different from many other Hispanics who love this country and have fought, sacrificed, and died for it.

For you to insinuate that the Hispanic vote consists of illegal aliens, who can't vote anyway, is the kind of insult and inflammatory rhetoric that turns us away from right-wing zealots of prejudice, hate, and division.

Paul you need to check your self out along with your views on Hispanics. We are many from many different backgrounds and we have been here for a long long time. My Spanish roots are from Spain I am a third generation on my Spanish side and a 4th generation for my German Mother. The people born in Puerto Rico are born Citizens and there are many all over the US. Just one advice Paul get to Know the people before you pass judgement on them.

JPF-414693... Very well said. It is an honor to have such great citizens in our country. You and your family are true Americans and epitomize the American Dream

Paul,

Like your candidate McCain when you have nothing of substance to ad, you provide idiotic comments.

Obama/Biden 08

You know, tonto, most Hispanics in this country are U.S. citizens, and they vote

Thanks for that laugh.  Personally I'm a hatch green chili addicted gringo.  But I love my Obamanos friends, just as much as I love my "hispanic" (labels suck) friends that may end up voting against their best interest.

Something I picked up in the article I just read. It suprised me, that's why I asked.

Like the rest of the country, we just want the best person for the job and for some of us it's not OBAMA!

I agree, and have already voted for Mr. Obama............and I'm holding my breath because Mr. Bush is still in the white house.