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With less than a week to go before the presidential election, there’s no question the 2008 race to the White House is hinging on the economy. There is a question, however, about how much power the winner will have to turn the troubled economy around.
With the nation facing its worst economic crisis in decades, economists and historians say it is hard to predict how much sway either Barack Obama or John McCain will ultimately have over the nation’s economic woes. That’s partly because the crisis is moving so rapidly and partly because a new president’s power depends in part on external factors that are difficult to gauge, such as whether he faces a cooperative Congress.
“There are limits on what a president can achieve or do, but the expectations are so great,” said Robert Dallek, a longtime presidential historian.
Still, that’s not to say the president has no power at all, both as a policymaker and as a national leader.
“The first and foremost thing he has is the ability to promote confidence, and that’s an absolutely essential ingredient, it seems to me, of stabilizing the economy and making people more hopeful about the country,” Dallek said. “That’s very much the president’s job.”
Ken Mayland, president of the forecasting firm ClearView Economics, sees plenty of similarities to today’s situation and that of 1992, when the first President Bush was in the White House, the economy was in decline and the Democratic contender, Bill Clinton ran his campaign on the theory that “It’s the economy, stupid.”
“The public wanted change, and the election validated what the public wanted,” Mayland said. Clinton's election boosted both confidence and the stock market, Mayland noted.
This time around, with either candidate poised to replace a deeply unpopular president, Mayland said a change in leadership could have similar results.
The more difficult test of the new president’s mettle — whether he can put forth policies that improve economic conditions — may be dependent on whether he is able to move quickly and with the support of Congress.
“The president is fairly constrained in what he can do without congressional action,” said John Steele Gordon, a business and financial historian.
If a new president wants to make broad changes aimed at boosting the economy, several experts say he’ll also have to move fast. If history is any judge, the president’s power will likely be most potent in the first few months of his presidency.
“Presidents are at their most powerful in the first six months of their first administration,” Gordon said. “Traditionally, that’s when things get done.”'
President Franklin Roosevelt famously spent his first 100 days in office crafting an economic policy that would reverberate for years as the United States worked its way out of the devastating Great Depression. During those first months in office, he faced little opposition from Congress, enjoying the kind of cooperation President Bush received in the days following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Still, Gordon thinks economic conditions in the United States would have to worsen considerably for a new president to get that kind of free rein this time around. And, if the president faces stiff congressional resistance, that is likely to severely hamper his ability to take aggressive action.
In that sense, Dallek thinks Obama might have more clout if, as expected, he is working with a Democratic-controlled Congress. But McCain also has a record of seeking bipartisan accord, and Dallek predicts that, if elected, he too would get a "honeymoon period" at the outset of his presidency.
In many ways, several experts said, the president’s most powerful weapon in fighting economic malaise will be the early choices he makes for key Cabinet positions, as well as the other advisers he surrounds himself with.
Perhaps the most important pick will be his choice to replace Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who has been the driving force behind the Wall Street rescue plan and has said he will step down at the end of President Bush’s term. With a crisis of this severity, the new Cabinet will need to be ready to move at full speed once the new president is inaugurated.
“What’s going to be striking to people is how quickly the new president will move to name his Cabinet,” Dallek said.
The president also will be facing an anxious public looking to see results soon after he is inaugurated, Dallek said, especially if he has a lot of cooperation from Congress.
“(If), 90 days down the road, he has not delivered, then he’s going to lose a lot of credibility,” Dallek said.
That may be a tough deadline to beat. Mayland, the economist, notes that even the most well-intentioned president may be fighting market and economic forces beyond his control. After all, no president wants to preside over an economy in decline, and yet inevitably declines happen, no matter how much clout the person sitting in the Oval Office has.
“Even with good policymaking, the economy still remains cyclical,” said Mayland, who predicts the economy will start to rebound in the second half of 2009 and into 2010.
One key policy issue the new president will face is whether to completely revamp the investment and banking regulations that were meant to police Wall Street. In the wake of the financial crisis, many placed blame on a system they said was weakened under a push for deregulation.
A substantial regulatory shift could help the economy, but the president faces considerable risk if he puts forth a bold plan — especially if it turns out to be the wrong one.
While good policy decisions can sometimes have only a muted impact on the economy, Mayland notes, “Bad economic policymaking is really bad for the economy.”
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{"commentId":3757453,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
Question: "Can new president fix the economy?"
Answer: Not unless they correct the issues listed below:
1.) Decrease the amount of immigrants coming into this country to pre-1965 limits which was
around 250,000 to 300,000 per year while motivating Americans to once again be a nation
takes pride in their work and will do the jobs in which no one wants. For example, cutting
our own lawns.
2.) Deport illegal aliens.
3.) Secure the borders.
4.) Stop the exporting of American jobs and the unbalanced import of foreign goods.
5.) Spend American dollars on creating a whole new energy infrastructure focusing our
attention on alternative energies instead of wasting time on drilling for oil. The amount of
time that we would need to drill and refine the new oil is time wasted in which we could
be spending it by upgrading our line transmissions (grid upgrades), solar and wind systems
being constructed, geothermal installations, and better energy storage capability being developed.
Note: Solution number five would greatly decrease the amount of money getting into the
hands of foreign troubling nations. In turn, it allows America to continue being a
strong nation while troubling nations are reduced to being just a nuisance instead
of a threat.
Authors Viewpoint:
Unfortunately, neither candidate running to president in 2008 supports all these solutions. Hence,
problem will keep continuing until "We the People" force them out and take back our country. But
the questions stands to ask, will it be too late? Will we be a country that lost its way do to the
massive differences of opinion created by the large amounts of immigrants coming into our country?
Time will tell.
{"commentId":3757453,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
- 3 votes
#26 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:07 AM EDT{"commentId":3758567,"authorDomain":"gjerry"}
Sorry your points have very little bearing on economic theory at all. It is simply indicates that you beleive immigrants take American Jobs or live on welfare. Sorry but that is not the case.
{"commentId":3758567,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"gjerry"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3758767,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
agree with most of your post.
however, drilling for oil is not a waste of time. there are enough idle rigs that offshore wells could be productive inside 6 months. USGS and others have estimated that our own reserves exceed that of iran or saudi arabia. even today china is doing horizontal drilling (from cuba) to tap reserves 10 miles off the florida coast. by no means does that suggest we don't need to develop a long term energy policy and sustainable alternative energy sources. but don't discount what we have presently until we get there. we can show the world how it's done, as we have all other technological breakthroughs.
point 4 is worth addressing also. there are numerous factors that drive the offshoring of jobs. and fyi, there is no tax 'break' for sending jobs overseas; if you believe otherwise please give me chapter and verse of the internal revenue code. American industry has 4 strikes going against it from the outset, 3 of them government created. first, our manufacturing industries are at a tax disadvantage vis a vis our trade competitors in europe and asia. our tax code promotes retail and service industries, going back to the 1939 code; europe and asia do the opposite. second, our tax system taxes American companies (and individuals) on their worldwide income, not what is only earned within US borders. no other nation on the planet does that, save zimbabwe (where inflation is approaching 10 million percent a year). that is the primary reason American firms reincorporate in switzerland, luxembourg or the caribbean; it puts them on level playing field with their foreign competitors. that doesn't even address our 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. third, our epa and osha are punitve in administration of their regulations (i did not say they need to be abolished). rather than work with companies who fall afoul of their rules and find ways to solve the problem-so the employer stays in business-they issue do or die orders, which usually result in small or midsize businesses 1) going bankrupt or closing or 2) laying off or 3) moving offshore. great move guys! again, europe and asia's similar agencies are mandated by law to help the employer avoid any of those 3 outcomes. the 4th non-government created issue is the tort lobby. companies can be sued - and are routinely - for not taking actions to earn greater returns for the shareholders. examples are not meeting quarterly earnings forecasts - required by the SEC, moving offshore to minimize the US tax bite as mentioned in #1 and #2 above, and for running afoul of epa and osha. (i have yet to meet a business owner or manager who sets out to deliberately violate the law; we all know those individuals exist)
but it's easier for certain political factions to play class warfare and demonize employers than address difficult topics intelligently. it creates a better class of victim mentality of 'us' versus 'them', thus keeping the 'victim' dependent on the government for so-called 'solution'.
and you're right...it's up to "We the People"...i raised 4 kids that unless they vote, they have no right to complain about the way things are. voting is your b*tching license.
{"commentId":3758767,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759363,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
G.Jerry, it is easy to say someone is wrong and much more difficult to read between the lines. In fact, the evidence favors what I am saying and not what you believe. Immigration is fine as long as it is controlled. Do you seriously believe that we can keep importing millions of immigrants into this country per year and still maintain our strength as a nation? History has shown that what I stated above to be true. Just look at the present economy. Much of the cause, besides the war, was due to subprime mortgages to lower income families. Who do you think most of those families are? Please, some people just are not good at sorting out or solving puzzles and Jerry my friend, no disrespect, unfortunatey you are one of those people.
{"commentId":3759363,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":3770527,"authorDomain":"gjerry"}
Justin,
Your assumption is that immigrants are the ones involved in the sub prime mortgage--show me the figures and the sources of your argument. Only after I have an opportunity to read them and compare them against my sources will I agree with your assumptions.
{"commentId":3770527,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"gjerry"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3771444,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
jerry,
banks admit they gave loans to people with no social security numbers.
{"commentId":3771444,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
{"commentId":3757569,"authorDomain":"scootoo1"}
Line item veto would stop all of the pork barrel spending of the self serving greedy bastards in Washington. Look what they did with the bail out. Ridiculous!!!
{"commentId":3757569,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"scootoo1"}
- 1 vote
#27 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:13 AM EDT{"commentId":3757679,"authorDomain":"vmonroe-valnesio"}
Unfortunately, there is little that the President can do to fix the economy. That's because many of the factors which drive the economy are out of the President’s hands. However, perhaps the most important thing that the President can bring to the table is integrity. The unimaginable damage that Bush has done to the Office and to the country, by lying his way into that trillion dollar black hole in Iraq from which no one can escape except our allies, causes him to be virtually ineffective in this present crisis. Integrity and confidence are two of the most important components that make up the helm by which a President guides the ship of state. Bush has squandered both. If the new President is to be an improvement over Bush, then he must epitomize those two prime components. With integrity and confidence restored, those factors cited above will gradually kick start themselves and get going again. Let’s all hope and pray that such will be the case.
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#28 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:18 AM EDT{"commentId":3757716,"authorDomain":"lovemyboysx5"}
I watched Obama's closing arguments speech. He is inspiring. His passion and excitment for the future is matched ny NO ONE.
{"commentId":3757716,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"lovemyboysx5"}
- 2 votes
#29 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:19 AM EDT{"commentId":3758124,"authorDomain":"nowayhussein"}
{"commentId":3758153,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
It will only be matched by your money he wants to steal. Empty words from a man that has 22 months exp. in the senate.
{"commentId":3758153,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":3758472,"authorDomain":"JollyRogers"}
You're right Nancy. He is passionate, inspiring, and arouses excitement. But what are you gonna be left with when the Viagra wears off?
{"commentId":3758472,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"JollyRogers"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":3758550,"authorDomain":"SuzyQ"}
He is a lawyer and knows how to "smooth talk". He has done nothing in his senatorial career. Chicago crime has risen drastically under his watch. Of the 24 months he has been a senator, 19 of those have been spent campaigning. Not much experience there. His poor choices of friends and mentors (Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Frank Marshall Davis). His affiliation and large contributions to ACORN, which is under federal investigation, his Marxist comments. Do none of these things concern you? ALL of them concern me.
{"commentId":3758550,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"SuzyQ"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":3758831,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
But inspiring and passionate speeches do not equate to good policies. It is dangerous when people are persuaded by a strong inspiring speaker. You have to read between the lines. Sen. Obama isn't what he claims to be nor is Sen. McCain, but I have a sixth sense telling me that Sen. Obama is dangerous and cannot be trusted. I really wish this wasn't so because he does talk about some interesting changes to the way we generate energy. Unfortunately, most of what we know about him is just talk. He hasn't had enough time in politics for we the people to see the skeletons in his closet. It is scary to allow someone to gain so much power and recognition with so little knowledge of his background.
Throughout history we have seen inspiring people come out of nowhere and be embraced by many people only to discover later that this person was not what he/she had led the people to believe. That my friend is dangerous. This issue usually occurs when the people are in desperate need of change. This last comment, plus an inspiring speech, can lead to very dangerous consequences. In the 20th century we saw this very issue arise in Germany. The country was in desperate need of change. An inspiring leader came along and gave them hope. Remember, German people are very intelligent, so before anyone can say that we here in America are different, ask yourself this question, "how much more intelligent are we than the Germany people of the 20th century?" Now do not get me wrong, I'm not saying that either of the candidates are tyrants, but we really do not know what actually lies in the hearts of these people, especially one with very little knowledge of his history and background.
In all fairness, I do not trust Sen. Obama nor Sen. McCain, but it comes down to "who is the lesser of the evils?" It's sad that we still live in a world in which we continue to ask this same question.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759522,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
nancy,
long ago, a mad austrian made passionate, inspiring speeches that enthused and motivated the masses to vote for him.
that was in the '30s in germany.
my former in laws chafed at places like auschwitz and bergen-belsen because of his smooth speeches
{"commentId":3759522,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":3760195,"authorDomain":"michaeldgoff"}
nancy, do you pick you football teams by the cute buns also?
{"commentId":3760195,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"michaeldgoff"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3765506,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Obama is inspring to many, AND has the policies behind it...
FINALLY someone that is educated and intelligent in the white house!!!!
I think a 4 year education with an above C average should be a requirement for both President and VP. That would rule out Bush, McCain and Palin
{"commentId":3765506,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"earldgray"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3767598,"authorDomain":"belmgren94301"}
Joe,
A GPA is just that, nothing more. I know people who graduated from Harvard and Stanford who sit on their behinds and live off government handouts. Obama has had time in office as a Senator to take action and do something and he has done nothing but TALK and run for office. There are no actions behind his words. Bill Gates did not graduate from Harvard with a great GPA and yet he is the richest man in the world who has provided a lot of JOBS in this country because he took ACTION. Gates did not just sit on his butt and just talk about it. Again, there is NOTHING that Obama has accomplished the whole time he has been in office, and there is NO reason to think this will change if he becomes President.
{"commentId":3767598,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"belmgren94301"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3757901,"authorDomain":"thewrays1"}
If it goes well, he'll get 90% of the credit. If it goes bad, he'll get 90% of the blame. There are a lot of players in this, but it's easy to single out "The President". I guess the expectation is that he'll just extend "his mighty shaft and command the waters to part."
{"commentId":3757901,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"thewrays1"}
- 4 votes
#30 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:27 AM EDT{"commentId":3759514,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
LOL~ "his mighty shaft"? Don't you mean, "but God commands Moses: "Raise your staff; stretch your hand over the sea and split it."
{"commentId":3759514,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759562,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
Sorry.............my bad!
{"commentId":3759562,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3760012,"authorDomain":"mhelwig"}
LOL!
{"commentId":3760012,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"mhelwig"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3763428,"authorDomain":"thewrays1"}
Dear Sick: I stand corrected. Guess I was reading form the Book of John (in Moapa). "And he stretched out his staff and the people crossed to the land of milk and honey and they did rejoice." Forgive me sometimes I get a little psychotic.
{"commentId":3763428,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"thewrays1"}
{"commentId":3764017,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
John, I was just making a slightly dirty joke. Sorry it was at your expense! =)
{"commentId":3764017,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3765128,"authorDomain":"thewrays1"}
OK with me, my skin is fairly thick.
{"commentId":3765128,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"thewrays1"}
{"commentId":3768678,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
Yeah, the land of milk and honey and then they spent all those years in the dessert. It was a nice sight, but unfortunately that's all is was.
{"commentId":3768678,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
{"commentId":3757973,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
Come on my fellow Americans, we can put all of this divisiveness behind us and elect a president that we can be proud of. A president that has a vision of a united America. Barack Obama will restore the reputation of the United States, the reputation that the republicans and the Bush administration have all but destroyed. We CAN do this America. Please be a part of a truly historical election and Vote OBAMA/BIDEN 08 And Beyond!
{"commentId":3757973,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
- 1 vote
#31 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:30 AM EDT{"commentId":3758095,"authorDomain":"kena1956"}
Gobama!
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{"commentId":3758233,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
STEAL Back America from the rich is More the truth...
{"commentId":3758233,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3758362,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
I do not think My fellow Americans is correct when the man you want to elect may not even be one. It sounds like you are all for a united america as long as we put your guy in the White House. I am not saying Obama can not do it, but we need to go into this with real goals, if you read your comment it sounds like he will be able to walk on water. He has done nothing to date but spend a small fortune "which the source of the money is very suspect" and make a lot of promise that he probably will not keep to get elected to a job that he has no experience to do. I am not a McCain fan either so I am not sure which is the lesser of two evils.
{"commentId":3758362,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3758513,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
aldo, no clue what you're talking about concerning Obama not being an American? I would imagine that being a citizen would be a requirement for America's highest office. The last time I looked Hawaii was a part of the United States. Just do me a favor and vote Obama/Biden and your life will be much better.
{"commentId":3758513,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3758650,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
what is all the talk about him being born in Kenya?
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{"commentId":3758737,"authorDomain":"jridabock"}
I wonder, will GWB invoke marshall law and cancel out the results of the coming election? He is such a Mussolini type fascist i would not be surprised at all. After all i really do not think President Cheney wants to give up power.
We need real change and IMHO neither of these candidates bring that. They both voted for the bailout, which will fail.
Kucinich 2012
{"commentId":3758737,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"jridabock"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3758851,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
Seems that his Original Birth Certificate was a FORGERY. No one wants to INVESTIGATE the TRUTH. If it were reversed Im sure all the lefties would be flocking to the barbecue.
{"commentId":3758851,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759065,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
It would be nice to deal in Truth and Facts not just statements like "just vote for Obamma and your life will be better". We are dragging enough people out of the gutters and streets that have never voted to get him elected so lets find out what we are getting into. Is that too much to ask.
{"commentId":3759065,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759148,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
paul, funny how these things get twisted around. Actually, McCain was the one not born in the United States. He was actually born in Panama.
{"commentId":3759148,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759296,"authorDomain":"Evangelion"}
The birth certificate issue is more about how both parties choose to trample the law, it is a requirement to prove your citizenship, Obama has chosen to not release a complete birth certificate. In the state I live in the required date to file to be on the ballet was missed by both candidates, and yet they were both allowed on anyways. They dont care about the rules because rules are for other people.
{"commentId":3759296,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"Evangelion"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759649,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
southpaw-----he was born on a US military installation, which by operation of law, is US territory. deal with it. that is why the attacks on the Cole, khobar towers, the 2 embassies are considered attacks on US soil- operation of law and international treaty.
aldo.....lay off the birth certificate stuff and step away from the koolaid. i don't support the man, but until someone shows me he wasn't born in hawaii, i take him at his word.
{"commentId":3759649,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759942,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
It is very funny how things get twisted! He was born on a military base which in the constitution is clearly stated as US soil. You are innoring the facts to prove your case which qualifies you to vote for Obama so you are on the correct path. This is why the voting process is a joke, there are more lies and ignorance than truth and fact.
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{"commentId":3760431,"authorDomain":"michaeldgoff"}
Hey, look at it this way. If NOBAMA gets away with the birth certificate thing, then the "Governator" from California can claim citizenship. Can you imagine the hooting and hollaring the democrats will do with that. LOL
{"commentId":3760431,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"michaeldgoff"}
{"commentId":3761664,"authorDomain":"nowayhussein"}
{"commentId":3763606,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
noway, how sad for you.
{"commentId":3763606,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3765017,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
Obama is (most probably) a US Citizen.
However, he is NOT an American (just look at his policies; statements about the Constitution, etc)
Big difference.
{"commentId":3765017,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
{"commentId":3765151,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
southpaw, why is it sad for noway?
people that lived under the dark despair of the hunger, torture and rape that is communism fear this man (except george soros, who bankrolled him) greatly.
{"commentId":3765151,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3765567,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
AldoB
You talk about deaaling in truth, and then trott old the OLD lie of Obama not being born in Hawaii.....
Sick and Sad.....
For those that are truely searching for accurate information. It ois now easier than ever to find. The following sites are good for checking tax and policy facts, bio's, statistics, and rumors, etc.
www.factcheck.org (various)
www.politifact.com (various)
www.snopes.com (various)
www.govtrack.org (positions, background, voting records, etc.)
www.senate.gov (background, voting records, etc.)
www.who.org (healthcare statistics) search: universal healthcare. Look at Canada
Remember folks, anybody can post on a blog, send an email, put up a web site, or upload something to Youtube.
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{"commentId":3766191,"authorDomain":"jridabock"}
ALDO
Try getting an education before you spew!
{"commentId":3766191,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"jridabock"}
{"commentId":3758028,"authorDomain":"ckirchbe"}
Every where you read that this economic mess is the fault of the Bush administration, as if congress had nothing to do with it. This article voices what I've always felt, the Democrat controlled congress and the Republican controlled administration are both to blame!!
{"commentId":3758028,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"ckirchbe"}
#32 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:32 AM EDT{"commentId":3758213,"authorDomain":"jee"}
McCain is just another george bush. and Obama can maybe fix it, but not in 4 years. with McCain it will just get worse then it is now. we are in for a long bumby ride no matter who wins the election. george has seen to that
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- 2 votes
#33 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:39 AM EDT{"commentId":3759465,"authorDomain":"Evangelion"}
When I hear people say that McCain is just like Bush I know right away that either this person has never looked up the facts regarding the matter or they are purposely saying something they know not to be true. Bush and McCain in 2000-03 were not even on speaking terms with one another given how much they dislike each other.
Granted, given just how far left obama is, given that he has the most extreme left voting record of any senator, even some of his fellow democrats look like hard core conservatives by contrast.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3760489,"authorDomain":"michaeldgoff"}
Saying McCain is like George Bush is akin to saying OBAMA is like Jimmy Carter. OMG, can we live through another one of those.
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{"commentId":3765662,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
The economic policies of Both Bush and McCain rely on the "Trickle Down" economic theory. The ONLY difference is that McCain is proposing even MORE of that theory...
Ity didn't work under Reagan, and it didn't work under Bush. So more of it is better?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3758265,"authorDomain":"parthur169"}
Well that certainly leaves out McCain, who inspires no one. McCain supporters are really anti-Obama voters. I voted for McCain eight years ago, but he is too old and out of touch now. The economy is not fundamentally sound nor are we a nation of whiners. We are nation of over-spenders.
Furthermore Wall Street is a relic of 19th century economy and has devolved into high finance legalized gambling. Each Wall Street transaction should be taxed; subsequently cutting middle class income taxes. The future belongs to venture capitalists, who will create new and innovative companies. Venture capitalism should open up to small investors.
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- 2 votes
#34 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:41 AM EDT{"commentId":3758401,"authorDomain":"mhelwig"}
The future belongs to the Private Banks, which own the Fed. Nothing has changed, and it never will.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3760522,"authorDomain":"telmanbill"}
Why Art. What are your nickels and dimes going to do for them. You want to play with the big boys pony up the bucks or shut up!
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{"commentId":3758320,"authorDomain":"sneila"}
Whom-ever the President is in January 2009....if the market does not react in a positive way and in a quick hurry.....confidence will erode in that person very, very fast!!
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- 5 votes
#35 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:43 AM EDT{"commentId":3763591,"authorDomain":"JollyRogers"}
Well, it just went up almost 900 points yesterday.
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{"commentId":3763768,"authorDomain":"sneila"}
That's because it had factored in (in anticipation of) the fed interest rate rate cut. Now with the fed cut take a look at it.
The next President will be dealing with a deep and most likely protracted recession.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3765712,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Yep... He sure will... Due to this....
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3758377,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
Can you believe McBama can influance the MEDIA to postpone the World Series Game for his 1/2 hr INFO-MICIAL. I wonder if the Media is Pro Mcbama.
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- 1 vote
#36 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:46 AM EDT{"commentId":3758473,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
Paul,
Although many believe Obama has god-like powers..........The delay is weather related, by the real God, whose hoping Tampa wins!!!!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3758682,"authorDomain":"sneila"}
GO Rays!!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3758944,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
He may have Demi-god like powers only. AMERICA will see the Truth about this Hiped up NOBODY that was Groomed for office by every left wing socialist and terrorists.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3759889,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
I wonder if the Media is Pro Mcbama.
wonder??? where have you been the past 16 months? everyone except fox is in the tank for the Annoited Messiah!
or did you miss him standing on the Mount of Olives, the heavens opening up and the Father pronouncing the presidential race over requiring obeisance of all The Annoited Messiah's subjects, with the Holy Spirit (as a dove) flying about him with streams of laurels and happy bubbles?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3760472,"authorDomain":"telmanbill"}
Good point wild weasel. Accoring to the majoriy of the libeal news media all that is left is to swear NO Bama in! They have already elected him and I don't believe that is what our founding fathers intended either.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3765103,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
Bill, don't you mean "crown" Obama, not swear him in?
Our Founding Fathers didn't intend for the Constitution to set forth what government must do for people either, not that Obama seems to care about limits on government.
How he can take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution when he fundamentally disagrees with its "essential constraints" should concern everyone.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3765895,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
If you take the time to listen to what Obama actually said, he said that the constitution and the courts didn't say what the government should do for the people. He expalined that slavery, the lack of civil rights for minorities were two examples (that existed under the constitution) and that those things shouldn't be addresses there, and that the courts werent even the place to handle social injustices such as racism...
He was right....
To try to twist what he said either by cropping peices of the converstation together out of context (ala Fox News or Rush Limbaugh) or to imply something else from the entire conversation is just grasping and dissingenuous
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{"commentId":3758620,"authorDomain":"jridabock"}
why is it the so called "Religous Right" keeps calling Obama things like Messiah, Walks on Water, Man with Miracle Staff and other Biblical references? Isn't that blaphemy? Grrrrrr.
anyway back to the matter at hand. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO fix THIS MESS that DEREGULATION, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND 14 YEARS OF REPULICAN CONGRESS HAS CREATED in a four year terrm.
Redical situations require RADICAL cahnge. I don't see that in either of the top candidates. there are six folks running for the white house. What a shame we only get to hear from all of them.
Kucininch/Paul 2012
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- 2 votes
#37 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:55 AM EDT{"commentId":3758760,"authorDomain":"sneila"}
I agree with some of your thoughts..except for the 14 years of republican controlled congress? Current congress is democrat controlled.
I am not really sure there is much difference between pubs and dems though...that's why I am neither. They seem to be the same party with different titles etc.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3758985,"authorDomain":"mharshfield"}
we will be waiting for UFO full of trillions of$$$$$$
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759006,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
What you just stated is so right! The reason is that the media has too much control. They certainly are not acting in a way that our Founding Fathers would have envisioned. I too believe that Paul would be a much better choice than either McCain or Obama for president, but the media has a huge love fest with Obama. It is just down right absurd.
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":3759073,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
His speeches, his charm, his charisma has a DEMON effect on people. Hes not REAL, He has been CREATED by the left and Groomed to be their MESSIAH to deliver them from MORAL, Ethical Behavior.
He Couldnt FIX his own states coruption, What makes anyone think he can save them.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3760046,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
bdorgle,
ummm...because the press keeps treating him with kid gloves and has treated his background and record as exempt from serious scrutiny and not held him as accountable as they did hillary or any of the gop candidates in the primary? maybe that has something to do with it.
deregulation of banking was accomplished in 1979. google 'ferdinand st james'.
current economic calamity -- see post 24.2, and the first 3 paragraphs of post 22.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3760405,"authorDomain":"telmanbill"}
Ah! Another ignorant liberal!
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{"commentId":3762984,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
bill, are you referring to my response?
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{"commentId":3765168,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
Because his supporters and the media behave as if he can literally do anything. People swooning at his words? Farrakhan calling him the Messiah? His own statements about the skies clearing and the waters parting (or something along those lines)? People calling him King Obama (and these same people call themselves Americans)?
If that doesn't bother you, then you are not paying attention.
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{"commentId":3766006,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
The ONLY peoiple calling Obama a messiah, etc. etc. etc. are the same people that slander him, usually in the same sentence....
For those of us that are voting for him, he is an inttelligent man that has the right policies for our country, the right temerament to implement them, and a HUGE job ahead of him, due to the current policies of George Bush and his administration.
McCain represents an extension of the same economic policies that clearly have not worked. PLEASE spare me the "democratic congress dribble) I know better. I have done my research. Even John McCain owns what Bush and the republicans have dione, as does Alan Greenspan. It's time everybody does.
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{"commentId":3758686,"authorDomain":"gjerry"}
This is my very last post. I have never read such ignorance and name calling in my life. I am now convinced of mt political science professors comments (BTW it is a school more right that BYU ) Stupid people should not vote. Manuy of you have proven this as true. The name calling beleiving half truths and propaganda--overt and covert racisim make me ill. So as Porky PIG said to Lou Grant PIIIIIIIIISSSSS OFFFFFFF Lou. and all those who this post refers to
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#38 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:58 AM EDT{"commentId":3758856,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
What?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759152,"authorDomain":"jorge-cerro"}
Yehhhh!!!!!!!!!! More public schools honor students!!!!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3758934,"authorDomain":"suzy-4"}
If Barack Obama is elected the need for a bad economy will evaporate. Within 24 hours the news media will begin to pave the way for an Obama success. There won't be as many stories regarding bad times, the Democratic pundits will begin to see a light at the end of the tunnel and various other human interest stories will be created to convince the American public that economic security is beginning to turn around and that they don't need to pull all of their money out of everything. The media have controlled this election, this economy and in many cases the war for the last few years. They pass information along to the public that they want the public to know. "Truth" is not a consideration. Maybe it's time the public starts taking away some of the privileges the "press" enjoys. I know we must protect the right to a free press, but campaign finance reform was intended to stop soft money in the last 60 days of the election. The campaigning for Senator Obama on the part of the media amounted to the "soft money" campaigning that the reform was intended to stop. If the media can't be impartial and present all of the news, they should be prevented from contributing soft money ads for a political candidate.
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#39 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:08 PM EDT{"commentId":3759080,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
Inspiring and passionate speeches do not equate to good policies. It is dangerous when people are persuaded by a strong inspiring speaker. You have to read between the lines. Sen. Obama isn't what he claims to be nor is Sen. McCain, but I have a sixth sense telling me that Sen. Obama is dangerous and cannot be trusted. I really wish this wasn't so because he does talk about some interesting changes to the way we generate energy. Unfortunately, most of what we know about him is just talk. He hasn't had enough time in politics for we the people to see the skeletons in his closet. It is scary to allow someone to gain so much power and recognition with so little knowledge of his background.
Throughout history we have seen inspiring people come out of nowhere and be embraced by many people only to discover later that this person was not what he/she had led the people to believe. That my friend is dangerous. This issue usually occurs when the people are in desperate need of change. This last comment, plus an inspiring speech, can lead to very dangerous consequences. In the 20th century we saw this very issue arise in Germany. The country was in desperate need of change. An inspiring leader came along and gave them hope. Remember, German people are very intelligent, so before anyone can say that we here in America are different, ask yourself this question, "how much more intelligent are we than the Germany people of the 20th century?" Now do not get me wrong, I'm not saying that either of the candidates are tyrants, but we really do not know what actually lies in the hearts of these people, especially one with very little knowledge of his history and background.
In all fairness, I do not trust Sen. Obama nor Sen. McCain, but it comes down to "who is the lesser of the evils?" It's sad that we still live in a world in which we continue to ask this same question.
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- 3 votes
#40 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:14 PM EDT{"commentId":3760352,"authorDomain":"telmanbill"}
{"commentId":3766079,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Inspiring and passionate speeches do not equate to good policies
Neither do uninspiring speeches....
Obama has both....
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{"commentId":3759085,"authorDomain":"nascarazee"}
Can anyone explain exactly what Obama hopes to gain by having a 1/2 hour, well rehearsed infomercial on T.V.? If he is really about change then wouldnt the millions he has spent for this have done better elsewhere? If he is already so far ahead in the polls, then whats his point?
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- 5 votes
#41 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:15 PM EDT{"commentId":3759180,"authorDomain":"jorge-cerro"}
An acceptance speech already? Give me a ******** break.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759228,"authorDomain":"kena1956"}
Thats okay Kevin, just go ahead and cast your vote for the guy who makes a fake plumber earning, a fake wage and buying a fake company, the centerpiece of his campaign of lies!
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{"commentId":3759387,"authorDomain":"nascarazee"}
Takeback- I thought I was asking a valid question! And all you come across with is attitude! Is that the best response you can give?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759494,"authorDomain":"mhelwig"}
Takeback-I guess when Obama used to snort coke off his coffee table makes him more real?? See-I can disgrace someone too. When are you partisons going to wake-up and stop name calling and stop trying to insult everyone. This is for both libs and conservatives. It seriously is disgusting!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759587,"authorDomain":"pholtz321"}
I thought it was an acceptance speech and a chance to display his new presidential seal. His problem is HE CANT CLOSE THE DEAL. ALL the HIPE and he cant get more than a few points ahead in the Polls. SADDD.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759599,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
To get control beyond anyones imagination.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3760349,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
to push the beliefs of the people who gave him all this money. you get paid for the job you have to do it.
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{"commentId":3768362,"authorDomain":"jridabock"}
because he can. Mcain is doomed folks and thats that. See you at the voting booth.
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{"commentId":3759468,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
Please for God's sake America, do the right thing and vote OBAMA/BIDEN. Don't make the same mistake that was made the past two elections that put a republican administration in the White House, an administration that has almost destroyed this country. Vote for Obama, a man that is intelligent, compassionate, with a real plan and vision that will get America back on track and restore our credibility around the world. We can make change happen together. Please do the right thing and vote OBAMA/BIDEN. OBAMA/BIDEN 08 And Beyond!
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- 2 votes
#42 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:33 PM EDT{"commentId":3759543,"authorDomain":"mhelwig"}
Southpaw-if you keep saying it, maybe you will start to hypnotize people.....your getting sleepy......close your eyes......
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759612,"authorDomain":"Evangelion"}
and by restore credibility around the world you mean cede all of the power we have right?
While your idealism around the idea that the people of the world are all these nice little teddy bears who really do want to just be friends, the reality is they are wolves who like obama not because they want to have a care bear party but instead because they know they can take advantage of him.
Please, if you can, state how any of Bush's policy has led to the "almost destruction of this country" and I do mean specifically, not just democrat talking points.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759613,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
independent, lol, good one.
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{"commentId":3759687,"authorDomain":"telmanbill"}
Aha! Another uneducated foolish liberal who beleives all the countries troubles only started 8 years ago. Please Rip go back to sleep and wake up in another 20 years!
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{"commentId":3759740,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
bill, I'm feeling good my man. Obama's way up in the polls and Democrats are out in record breaking numbers so I'm taking the high road, otherwise I'd take you apart with my superior liberal mind.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3759891,"authorDomain":"kc7stp"}
To Southpaw I don't think any one of the government officials can fix any thing until they get down on there knees and pray for GODS interventions but you no as well as I do that wont happen because most people dont beleave nor do they want to. people think they can fix any thing "Not"
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3760337,"authorDomain":"Evangelion"}
"Democrats are out in record breaking numbers"
I dont get how people cheer on their party like they would cheer on their favorite sports team where the best case scenario they can think of is if they sweep the series and win every game by a landslide. I would no sooner want a Republican house senate and white house all at the same time than I would want a democrat sweep. For me that is the worse case scenario.
What exactly are you thinking these people are going to do after they are handed all of the power? Play nice? Think of anyone but themselves? This isnt a game. Dont treat it like one. Think of whats best for America, not your party. No one concerned with America could possibly hope any one party gains absolute power.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3760667,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
a smith, I would love for the Democrats to have absolute power.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3762160,"authorDomain":"Evangelion"}
And they would gladly take it, abuse it, and trample you with it, along with the rest of america.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3764791,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
a smith, paranoia will destroy ya!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3765290,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
Do you call yourself an American, making statements about one party possessing absolute power?
And you consider yourself educated? An educated American is someone who knows history and has read and understood the Constitution and understands the dangers of one party rule.
From your posts you are neither educated nor an American.
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{"commentId":3765395,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
desertgirl, the republicans have controlled the presidency,congress and the senate. Pick up a history book.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3766252,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Another uneducated foolish liberal who beleives all the countries troubles only started 8 years ago.
No... Not all of them... Just an uneeded war, lowered taxes that benefitted the wealthy more than the middle class (and the resulting debt) along with not enforcing regulations, that together caused this"
and also caused this economic crisis.......
All of which we CAN start to do something about. Rule 1: When you have put yourself in a deep hole.... Stop Digging!!!!
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{"commentId":3759490,"authorDomain":"rider-83"}
It doesn't matter democrat or republican they are both lying whores who no longer represent the people, they represent their pimp lobbyist!!! They care more about their party having power then about taking care of the people and America!!! Congress and the white house have betrayed the American trust and both parties are out of touch with the American people!!!! Their pay, benefits, and retirements should be cut by at least 50% and they should all be term limited to get rid of all the lying prostitutes!! We dont need dynastys like the Kennedys!!! They don't serve their country they feed off of it like leaches!! They use their positions to enhance their lives and the hell with the rest of us!! Most of congress and the white house are nothing but traitors to America!!
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- 1 vote
#43 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:35 PM EDT{"commentId":3759619,"authorDomain":"telmanbill"}
Amen!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759728,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
Amen brother!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3759732,"authorDomain":"tahoerick2000"}
Excellent post Rider! You have hit on the real problem. You can't get elected without selling your soul to the special interests and fat cats. This goes on in both parties. Both "sides" are guilty of betraying the needs of our Country, to line their pockets. No matter who gets elected, nothing will change. The sucess of our Country is DESPITE washingtons efforts. As Ronald Reagan said ......Goverment is not the solution to our problems....Goverment is the problem!....
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3760845,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
I agree 100%. It does not matter what party, they are all criminals! As long as they keep us split on which party is better or what race should you vote for we never stop to see what they are doing "killing America and stealing it blind". It is the old watch the left hand and pay no attention what the right hand is doing and if you read all of these comments it is working! We are debating over which is better and whos fault it is that we are where we are and the truth is none of them are any better and they all got us where we are today.
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{"commentId":3765313,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
I agree. So when are We The People going to rise up and take back our country? We have always had the power. The government wants us to forget that. Let's remind them. And soon.
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{"commentId":3768428,"authorDomain":"jridabock"}
rider i agree. thats why we need more than two parties. there are six candidates but we only get to hear from two! that is just wrong.
reform in our voting system is long overdue. We need REAL CHANGE!
Kucinich/Paul 2012
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{"commentId":3759550,"authorDomain":"tahoerick2000"}
Once apon in a magical land there was a Presidential Candidate. By promising all sorts of goodies to the "middle" and "lower classes" (and perhaps a touch of Acorn voter fraud), got elected. He gave away FREE health Care, he LOWERED 95% of everyone's taxes, and other Funn things. The US went bankrupt, many "small" business layed off Millions of people, because their taxes and health care benefits went up so much, and still more jobs stayed in India because people will work there for near nothing. Or perhaps we can all start some heavy drinking (perhaps Koolaid and Everclear?), and there will be a magical change. Not to knock Mr. Obama, but IF you get in I would love to see how you are going to Hope to Change things to match all your promises. I will be glad to eat my words if you do. I guess if we all pray for change the magic will happen! Too bad I stopped drinking Koolaid and believing in Santa when I was a child, or I could buy in on this Disney Story
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#44 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:37 PM EDT{"commentId":3759560,"authorDomain":"telmanbill"}
The government can't and isn't going to fix squat. When are you people going to realize government is not the cure – they are the rabid disease? McClain, No Bama, Clinton, none of them are going to do anything to help any of us. When are you folks going to realize they, the government are the elitist? Can you vote your self a raise when you desire to do so? Can you retire with at least a $150,000 a year guaranteed income? If people give you money to run a campaign and you don't spend it all for campaigning can you take the millions home with you, instead of leaving it in the political party coffers, when you retire? Can you lie to a federal grand jury and not serve time? Can you drown a pregnant secretary in a bay and not serve time? Can you have a law enforcement person fired because he gave someone you know a ticket? The answer for most of us to most of those questions is an emphatic NO! Why then are we arguing over who is better and etc. when it comes to lying, crooked, deceitful politicians? My dad once told my mother he couldn't tell her who to vote for but he would tell her this, "vote for the crook who you think will do you the most good". I repeated what my father said recently to another individual and he said my dad was wrong and what he should have said was, "vote for the crook that is going to do you the least amount of harm because there isn't any of those lying S.O.B.'s who are going to do anyone any good". Get the government out of finances and banking and let the economy run it's natural course.
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#45 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:37 PM EDT{"commentId":3768466,"authorDomain":"jridabock"}
well said!!
Kucinich/Paul 2012
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{"commentId":3759645,"authorDomain":"sberto"}
Max Truly...No....the market will not fix itself! That's been the problem, it's not about fair market, fair prices or fair taxes anymore! It's all about greed and unfortunately it's going to take government regulation to pull the reigns in on the greedy!
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#46 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:40 PM EDT{"commentId":3766801,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Exactly
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{"commentId":3759656,"authorDomain":"kc7stp"}
No until all government realisesthat it will take GODS intervention no government will be able to fix anything. Depending on a human to give there perspectives will not work it hasn't worked, beginning in the sixties when the human race took GOD out of the picture the bible talks about this in many scriptures.
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#47 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:41 PM EDT{"commentId":3759667,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
Here it comes, right on cue. First, the Obama Press does everything it can to get him elected. They say that he and only he has the right ideas, the right attitude, well, the right everything to fix what is wrong in this country. From listening to them the last year or so you would think Obama is, indeed, the Messiah. Now, his election pretty much assured, thus fulfilling their own prophecy, the expectation lowering games begin. I mean, are they really suggesting that Obama's success will depend on "a cooperative Congress?" The Democrats will control the House, they will likely have a veto-proof Senate, but cetainly increase their control of the Senate, and the Press would now have us believe that Obama might not have a "cooperative Congress?" This is truly amazing! As I predicted, over and over again, Obama's policies are going to drive this economy into an actual, not perceived, depression and the Democrats, with their allies in the Press, are already prepping us for the inevitable by claiming "it's the Republican's and Bush's fault" argument. Give us a break already. You wanted him, you got him, and now you are stuck with whatever he does to this country. And try though you may, in two years when Congress is up for re-election, we will know who to blame, just as in 1994! And come 2012, we will know who to blame then, too, and will throw the rest of these lying bums onto the street where they belong. Obama can go back to being a community organizer with his friends at Acorn. What a disgrace the Press is and how gullible so many in this country are. At least stand on some principle and actually back the guy you forced down our throats!
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#48 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:41 PM EDT{"commentId":3759813,"authorDomain":"sswanger"}
Amen!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3763950,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
Look at the votes... People know thw president will be important to change the direction. Obama will roll up his sleeves and get to work intelligently.... Just as he has done....
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{"commentId":3765364,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
Dave, what exactly HAS Obama done? Other than campaign and give pretty speeches?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3766868,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Obama has proposed sound policies that will get the economy working, not waste money and lives in a useless war, and build our country up from it's foundation (the middle class) as it has in the past. You may not believe he will do it, and I can't change that. But you have to start with the right plans, and McCains plans are just wrong...
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{"commentId":3759805,"authorDomain":"sberto"}
A Smith-300136....did you ever stop to think that we are perceived as wolves by some other nations? The US is not this saintly, benevolent, do good all the time, nation that our government would have us believe. It's historical fact that we've stuck our nose into other nation's affairs when we had no business or right to! We've toppled governments because our leaders had agendas, not because of national security which is always the reason given. We need to restore integrity in house before we can expect any nation to respect us again!
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- 1 vote
#49 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:47 PM EDT{"commentId":3760047,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
And this has exactly what to do with the topic at hand, that is, the ability of a President Obama and his Democrat comrades in Congress to fix the economy?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3766957,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
I undersatand exactly what he is saying......
Getting out iof the ill concieved war in Iraq keeps us from bleeding about 140 Billion dollars a year. That's a pretty good start....
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{"commentId":3759895,"authorDomain":"bestbuyins"}
can you imagine mccain getting elected. the whole economy is collapsing, eight short years ago america was doing fine. so you would then have consecutive very dense bulbs in the whitehouse, and if mccain became disabled, probably the dumbest politician in united states history at the controls. to top it all looks like our trailblazers won't be elite without a lot more experience. oh well. at least our beavers beat so cal.
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#50 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:51 PM EDT{"commentId":3760087,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
You are the epitomy of the idea that it is better to remain silent and be presumed a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Are you serious?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3760657,"authorDomain":"rsmith-3"}
Mel, The economy was not all that bad 2 yrs ago before the 9% approval democratic congress came to power. Just this last summer Barney Frank said that "Fanny & Freddy were doing OK, and didn't need any additional attention." Frank, Dodd, Obama were all part of the "overseeing committee" watching over those organizations, while getting kickbacks. Mitt Romney probably would have been the better canidate seeing what we are dealing with now, but hindsight is 20/20. Do you really think that Obama increasing taxes is going to help the economy? He will increase taxes, first it was $250K, then $200K and now $150K just inside of 6 weeks. Imagine how low it will go by the time he is sworn into office. By then, we will be stuck with him. He will have to raise taxes to pay for the welfare program he is toting. BTW, I think that the reason the Dow is so low is because investors are pulling their money out now to avoid an Obama capital gains tax increase.
Also, I'd like to see the LA times tape of Mr. Obama endorsing Mr. Kahaliki's points of view. But, you won't see it, until after the election, maybe.....Terrorist association #2.
I will be unable to respond as I am suiting up into my "spacesuit" to work with some highly poisonous materials - gotta earn a living........
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3766995,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Hogwash.... the last 8 years had EVERYTHING to do with our current economic crisis!!!
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{"commentId":3767485,"authorDomain":"rsmith-3"}
This crisis was a long time comming. Started with the Carter administration with the Community Reinvestment Act. It was re-energized with Clinton who gave people like Barack Obama and ACORN the power to strongarm local banks to give "politically correct" loans to people who shouldn't have gotten them. The bad loans were distributed through the banking system, with the help of Fanny & Freddy (Overseen mostly by Democrats) like a cancer.
I saw your thread, you seem to ignore the fact that, yes it has cost some additional money to protect your sorry ass from the people wishing to destroy you. It's just too easy to blame president Bush for the deficet, but here's a thought. If Bill clinton did something in his 8 yrs to destroy Al-Queda, it would have cost much less in the long run.
Take off those funny glasses and look at the whole picture.
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- 1 vote
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