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With less than a week to go before the presidential election, there’s no question the 2008 race to the White House is hinging on the economy. There is a question, however, about how much power the winner will have to turn the troubled economy around.
With the nation facing its worst economic crisis in decades, economists and historians say it is hard to predict how much sway either Barack Obama or John McCain will ultimately have over the nation’s economic woes. That’s partly because the crisis is moving so rapidly and partly because a new president’s power depends in part on external factors that are difficult to gauge, such as whether he faces a cooperative Congress.
“There are limits on what a president can achieve or do, but the expectations are so great,” said Robert Dallek, a longtime presidential historian.
Still, that’s not to say the president has no power at all, both as a policymaker and as a national leader.
“The first and foremost thing he has is the ability to promote confidence, and that’s an absolutely essential ingredient, it seems to me, of stabilizing the economy and making people more hopeful about the country,” Dallek said. “That’s very much the president’s job.”
Ken Mayland, president of the forecasting firm ClearView Economics, sees plenty of similarities to today’s situation and that of 1992, when the first President Bush was in the White House, the economy was in decline and the Democratic contender, Bill Clinton ran his campaign on the theory that “It’s the economy, stupid.”
“The public wanted change, and the election validated what the public wanted,” Mayland said. Clinton's election boosted both confidence and the stock market, Mayland noted.
This time around, with either candidate poised to replace a deeply unpopular president, Mayland said a change in leadership could have similar results.
The more difficult test of the new president’s mettle — whether he can put forth policies that improve economic conditions — may be dependent on whether he is able to move quickly and with the support of Congress.
“The president is fairly constrained in what he can do without congressional action,” said John Steele Gordon, a business and financial historian.
If a new president wants to make broad changes aimed at boosting the economy, several experts say he’ll also have to move fast. If history is any judge, the president’s power will likely be most potent in the first few months of his presidency.
“Presidents are at their most powerful in the first six months of their first administration,” Gordon said. “Traditionally, that’s when things get done.”'
President Franklin Roosevelt famously spent his first 100 days in office crafting an economic policy that would reverberate for years as the United States worked its way out of the devastating Great Depression. During those first months in office, he faced little opposition from Congress, enjoying the kind of cooperation President Bush received in the days following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Still, Gordon thinks economic conditions in the United States would have to worsen considerably for a new president to get that kind of free rein this time around. And, if the president faces stiff congressional resistance, that is likely to severely hamper his ability to take aggressive action.
In that sense, Dallek thinks Obama might have more clout if, as expected, he is working with a Democratic-controlled Congress. But McCain also has a record of seeking bipartisan accord, and Dallek predicts that, if elected, he too would get a "honeymoon period" at the outset of his presidency.
In many ways, several experts said, the president’s most powerful weapon in fighting economic malaise will be the early choices he makes for key Cabinet positions, as well as the other advisers he surrounds himself with.
Perhaps the most important pick will be his choice to replace Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who has been the driving force behind the Wall Street rescue plan and has said he will step down at the end of President Bush’s term. With a crisis of this severity, the new Cabinet will need to be ready to move at full speed once the new president is inaugurated.
“What’s going to be striking to people is how quickly the new president will move to name his Cabinet,” Dallek said.
The president also will be facing an anxious public looking to see results soon after he is inaugurated, Dallek said, especially if he has a lot of cooperation from Congress.
“(If), 90 days down the road, he has not delivered, then he’s going to lose a lot of credibility,” Dallek said.
That may be a tough deadline to beat. Mayland, the economist, notes that even the most well-intentioned president may be fighting market and economic forces beyond his control. After all, no president wants to preside over an economy in decline, and yet inevitably declines happen, no matter how much clout the person sitting in the Oval Office has.
“Even with good policymaking, the economy still remains cyclical,” said Mayland, who predicts the economy will start to rebound in the second half of 2009 and into 2010.
One key policy issue the new president will face is whether to completely revamp the investment and banking regulations that were meant to police Wall Street. In the wake of the financial crisis, many placed blame on a system they said was weakened under a push for deregulation.
A substantial regulatory shift could help the economy, but the president faces considerable risk if he puts forth a bold plan — especially if it turns out to be the wrong one.
While good policy decisions can sometimes have only a muted impact on the economy, Mayland notes, “Bad economic policymaking is really bad for the economy.”
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{"commentId":3759932,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
I have been wanting to address this fantasy that those earning under $45K a year already do not pay any taxes. My son is a 21-year-old Corporal with the US Marines. He is serving in Iraq at Camp Al Taqaddam. He made about $18,000 last year. Being single, he has no deductions he can take so took the standard deduction. Obviously, having earned only $18K I wrongly believed that all of the taxes withheld from his meager paycheck would refunded to him since, afterall, those making under $45K pay no taxes, right? Wrong! He had approximately $1800 in federal income tax wtihheld,not counting SSA, medicare, and the like, and he got back $300! That means he paid $1500 in taxes! A young soldier earning nothing, risking his life in Iraq, paid $1500 in taxes! Believing I must have messed this up some how, simple though it was, I took his return to H&R Block for review, paying for it myself and discovered that I was exactly correct. I asked them: "What about the propoganda I hear all the time from both parties that anyone making less than $45K does not pay ANY taxes?" They replied: "It is just that, propoganda." Expect much more of the same when Obama gets in, only worse! Middle class tax cuts my rear end!
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- 1 vote
#51 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT{"commentId":3760240,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
Well, I for one am thankful for your son's service!
However, H&R block is NOT a good accounting source.
{"commentId":3760240,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3760491,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
Thank you for the kind remarks, without qualification (as many do) regarding my son. As to H&R Block, that may be true, but I have been doing my own taxes and that of my friends for 33 years, first on my own and now using TurboTax. My 87 year old father is a retired accountant and he also concurred with my figures. One need only go to the IRS website and look at the tax tables. If you have an adjusted income of $500 it is taxed! It is not rocket science to do the tax return of someone in my son's position. At least he got back all of the money withheld by the state of Idaho since they do not tax military personnel, one of the few states that does not do so.
{"commentId":3760491,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3767141,"authorDomain":"rsmith-3"}
I made 18K /yr in an environmental Lab after graduating from college. (That was 20 yrs ago), I understand that it isn't much. And with today's cost of living its even less. Back then I had to pay taxes as well. Serving in the military should exempt a person from paying taxes in my book.
May God watch over your son as he does his patriotic duty. I for one, am gratefull that there are still you people with the strength and courage to protect ALL of us in this dangerous time. Hopefully, he will learn some kind of skill that he will be able to use when his tour of duty is over.
{"commentId":3767141,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"rsmith-3"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3760054,"authorDomain":"jwelhaus-1"}
why is it the so called "Religous Right" keeps calling Obama things like Messiah, Walks on Water, Man with Miracle Staff and other Biblical references? Isn't that blaphemy? Grrrrrr.
anyway back to the matter at hand. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO fix THIS MESS that DEREGULATION, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND 14 YEARS OF REPULICAN CONGRESS HAS CREATED in a four year terrm.
Redical situations require RADICAL cahnge. I don't see that in either of the top candidates. there are six folks running for the white house. What a shame we only get to hear from all of them.
Kucininch/Paul 2012
What you just stated is so right! The reason is that the media has too much control. They certainly are not acting in a way that our Founding Fathers would have envisioned. I too believe that Paul would be a much better choice than either McCain or Obama for president, but the media has a huge love fest with Obama. It is just down right absurd.
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- 4 votes
#52 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:58 PM EDT{"commentId":3761326,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
According to Obama, our Constitution doesn't speak to black people. His agenda is to CHANGE our constitution...to rewrite it. Does he see himself as one of the founding fathers of America?
The U. S. Constitution speaks to CITIZENS of the United States. Last time I looked, that included blacks. If Obama wants to change the constitution, that could include doing away with affirmative action and other programs in place to give blacks a hand up. We, as a nation, and due to the sacrafices of such fine men as Martin Luthor King, saw the inequities and instituted programs to offer that hand "up" not the hand "Out" that Obama is attempting to steal from other Americans who have worked all their lives to be able to retire with dignity?
{"commentId":3761326,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":3767047,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
nkorb1
As ususal... you just spew lies... How pitiful.....
Desperate measures from a desperate candidate and party
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{"commentId":3770007,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
joe, just listen to the complete npr broadcast. nkorb is pretty much on point.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3760141,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
The republicans have absolutely nothing on Obama and never have. It's truly comical the crap they've come up with. The republicans are shamefully desperate. I'm so embarrassed by the childish accusations and behavior of my fellow Americans. Please make a decision that you can live with and be proud of. Vote OBAMA/BIDEN 08 And Beyond!
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- 1 vote
#53 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:02 PM EDT{"commentId":3760250,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
And when Obama's policies create chaos in this country, naturally, you are going to stand by your position and proudly admit you voted for Obama/Biden, right? As to the "the childish accusations and behavior of my fellow Americans" I guess you must be referring to the Democrat in California who decorated a mannequin in the likeness of Sarah Palin and then hung her in his yard and made a likeness of McCain and surrounded him with flames, buring in hell? You mean that type of childish behavior?
{"commentId":3760250,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3760619,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
shoud've, Ouch! Sounds like you just got a mole hair plucked! Feel better? Actually I was referring to the posts on this site, but now that you mention it the hanging palin, burning McCain thing is hilarious.
{"commentId":3760619,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3761026,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
And there you have it. The ever tolerant, kind, benevolent, big tent, Democrats finally showing their true colors. I actually applaud you Southpaw Liberal for not being afraid to admit you are a sexist, bigoted hypocrite. Congratulations on your honesty!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3761183,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
should've, sticks and stones little buddy, sticks and stones. I'm taking this moment to laugh in your face. How does this sound "President Barack Hussein Obama"? Me likey.
{"commentId":3761183,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3761378,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
{"commentId":3761590,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
{"commentId":3762226,"authorDomain":"Evangelion"}
{"commentId":3762437,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
{"commentId":3763543,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
{"commentId":3763687,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
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{"commentId":3760244,"authorDomain":"longvuong"}
We need a tested and experienced leader, in a troubled and dangerous world, (not another "TV evangelist" like Obama, a cult-like leader with a cult-like effect). Are we all tired of TV, and commercials, all talks and empty promises? American people are smart enough to ask hard questions, who is the real Obama, his past records, past history, real birth-certificate, real citizenship, any government-achievements, foreign policy, big spending, big-well-fare-system, experiences, readiness, liberalism, connection to the extremists, liberal leftist viewpoint, flip-flopping and ideology, along the traditional family values of our founding-fathers?? We the people derserve to know the truth, and the whole truth. By the way, who is Rashid Khalidi?
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- 1 vote
#54 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:06 PM EDT{"commentId":3760327,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
Rashid Khalidi is another Obama friend, one he toasted at a gathering, that he has not conveniently forgotten abouot and claims he barely even knows who he is. By the way, get ready tonight for Obama's first, pre-election Inaugaral address to the Nation with his 30 minute tribute to himself and the greatness that is Obama. His ego knows no bounds, truly.
{"commentId":3760327,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":3760496,"authorDomain":"sneila"}
I can't stand info-mercials!! I hope there is none of that 2 fer $9.95 kind of stuff!! ....but wait!!...call now and we will throw in at no cost to you.....
{"commentId":3760496,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"sneila"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":3761101,"authorDomain":"greg33z28"}
he is associated with the PLO google his name quite interesting
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{"commentId":3763239,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
Rashid Khalidi is another McCain friend.... Lokk who gave him MONEY..... Mr. McCain!!!!
{"commentId":3763239,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
{"commentId":3763796,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
Given all the smears here, it looks like the McCain smear machine has decided to come back to the vine.....
If you want REAL info, there are several sites available to check facts.
Don't fall for the smear and lie spewers.... Check your facts and don't vote on fear
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{"commentId":3765404,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
Ohio Dave,
Google his name Rashid Khalidi:
Obama relationship
Khalidi's relationship to Barack Obama has come under increasing interest due to the U.S. Presidential race of 2008. Obama made one of the presentations in praise of Khalidi at a 2003 farewell dinner on the occasion of Khalidi leaving the Chicago Area. The dinner was a celebration of the Chicago area Palestinian community. Obama's remarks alluded to the numerous dinners that he had in the home of Rashid Khalidi. During the 2008 election race, opponents of Barack Obama suggested his relationship with Khalidi was evidence that Obama would not maintain a pro-Israel foreign policy if elected.[22] The Obama campaign's Fight the Smears website has posted an entry on Khalidi in order to rebut what was said elsewhere about their relationship, for instance, it denies that Khalidi is or has been one of Obama's foreign policy advisors.[23]
In May of 2008, Barack Obama spoke at a synagogue at an event in Boca Raton, Florida and the question of his relationship with Khalidi was brought up. In response, Obama stated that “[Khalidi] is Palestinian. And I do know him and I have had conversations. He is not one of my advisors; he’s not one of my foreign policy people. His kids went to the Lab school where my kids go as well. He is a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy... To pluck out one person who I know and who I’ve had a conversation with who has very different views than 900 of my friends and then to suggest that somehow that shows that maybe I’m not sufficiently pro-Israel, I think, is a very problematic stand to take…So we gotta be careful about guilt by association.”[24]
In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Khalidi stated that he strongly disagrees with Obama's views on Israel. However, because of Obama's "unusual background, with family ties to Kenya and Indonesia," Khalidi stated that he believes that Obama is "more understanding of the Palestinian experience than typical American politicians."[22]
The New York Daily News reported on 3/6/07, "Obama got help from an unlikely source yesterday when pro-Palestinian Prof. Rashid Khalidi denied a report that Obama used to be sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and had recently shifted his stance to pro-Israel. Khalidi spoke to the Daily News to rebut a report on a pro-Palestinian blog that was circulated by Clinton supporters. The blog, the Electronic Intifada, offered no evidence that Obama used to be supportive of the Palestinian cause, but cited private conversations, including one at a 2000 Obama fund-raiser hosted by Khalidi. Khalidi, now head of Columbia University’s Middle East Institute, said he hosted the fundraiser because he was friends with Obama while the two lived in Chicago. ‘He never came to us and said he would do anything in terms of Palestinians,’ Khalidi said."[23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Khalidi
I did not see anything related to McCain. Can you correct me?
{"commentId":3765404,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
{"commentId":3765549,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
Try actually researching something. The infopedia (wikipedia) is written by biased people...alot of whom are from the left. They don't qualify as research, they are commentary and perhaps some of us use it because we're lazy and just want to accept what other people say as fact.
When we post things on here as information, usually it is for discussion and debate. I haven't posted anything hateful...but I've attempted to search for and find things that actually could be traced back their origins.
{"commentId":3765549,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
{"commentId":3765937,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
Wingnuttia is all ablaze with this story:
John McCain's presidential campaign Tuesday accused the Los Angeles Times of "intentionally suppressing" a videotape it obtained of a 2003 banquet where then-state Sen. Barack Obama spoke of his friendship with Rashid Khalidi, a leading Palestinian scholar and activist.
I guess some are tempted to file this under the category of "October surprise," a blockbuster the McCain campaign tucked away for a rainy day:
"A major news organization is intentionally suppressing information that could provide a clearer link between Barack Obama and Rashid Khalidi," said McCain campaign spokesman Michael Goldfarb. " . . . The election is one week away, and it's unfortunate that the press so obviously favors Barack Obama that this campaign must publicly request that the Los Angeles Times do its job -- make information public."
Poor Goldfarb. Unleashed on campaign stooge duty once again. From the Huffington Post:
McCain Funded Work Of Palestinian His Campaign Hopes To Tie To Obama
During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.
A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)
The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/woops-mccain-funded-rashid-khalidi/
nkorb1,
They are all in bed together!
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{"commentId":3767876,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
I happen to like to get my information from a variety of sources, including forums like this one. Wikipedia is just one of many places I go to.
Is this encyclopedia-level writing? Yes. Would I use this entry to write a report, a presentation, or as a trusted source? Yes, but only as a supplemental source or a place to verify information from other sources.
Conclusions and Thoughts
Not surprisingly, the entry on the Iraq War was larger, more error prone, and less trustworthy than the entries on Coca-Cola or Pepsi. In fact, you'll notice that trend throughout Wikipedia: people, places, things, and events that generate a lot of emotional reactions from people seem to have the most attention. And that's not always a good thing. People are much more likely to let their emotional reaction to, say, a war spill out into Wikipedia than they are to let their feelings for soft drinks cloud their writing.
This is exactly why people using Wikipedia as a resource must do so with a grain of salt. Yes, it can be a good resource. Yes, there are pages on just about everything there. And yes, just about everyone has used Wikipedia at some point.
But it is corruptible and it is fallible. Any encyclopedia is, but Wikipedia is much more susceptible to inaccuracy and bias than traditional, printed encyclopedias. Traditional encyclopedias pay people to research and verify everything before it gets printed. Wikipedia relies on readers of the site to flag, discuss, and possibly modify inaccurate information. Which system do you think returns the more accurate information?
Am I saying you shouldn't use Wikipedia? No, of course not. Like I said, it's a good resource. But do your homework. Check the source of your Wikipedia information. Verify facts with other sources. And if you see errors, bias, or other inaccuracies on Wikipedia, lend the service a hand and offer your fixes.
That's how the service grows and gets better. And it didn't become the popular destination that it is for nothing.
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{"commentId":3760578,"authorDomain":"eratobetsy"}
Well, McCain has not passed the economic test or the foreign policy test. Remember the Keating 5? It doesn't look as though he learned from it. And he wants to continue an unwinnable war---I take it "win" or "victory" means that we will have converted, at the point of a sword, a nation, which isn't a nation in the true sense of the word, to a westernized democracy. European nations, yep, that includes us, have been trying to make the Middle East over in our image, since the tenth century. Didn't work before, and won't work now. As for "socialist," I take it that means that distributing the wealth just means disrupting the current process of the rich getting richer and the not-rich getting poorer.
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#55 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:17 PM EDT{"commentId":3763524,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
What you neglect to tell anyone is that John McCain was not tried for anything and that he was cleared of any dem/lib/socialist/communist accusations even then.
{"commentId":3763524,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3767129,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Uhhhh.... McCain was centured by the senate for " profound bad judgement" for his involvement in the Keating 5 scandal.......
{"commentId":3767129,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"earldgray"}
{"commentId":3771271,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
joe....
robert bennett, card carrying dem and mccain's lawyer: "...finding of absolutely no wrongdoing."
poor judgement, yes. but then, who isn't?
{"commentId":3771271,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
{"commentId":3760828,"authorDomain":"bpwaggener"}
The new presdient with congress can fix the economy or destroy it. As I hear more of Obama's plan it will destroy the economy, not fix it. He can not raise enough taxes to implement everything he wants to experiment on!
{"commentId":3760828,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"bpwaggener"}
- 2 votes
#56 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:25 PM EDT{"commentId":3767255,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Hmmm... I wonder why people like Colin Powell, Warren Buffet, Paul Volcker, etc. etc. etc. are behind Obama....
I wonder why the Economists polled by the Economist Magazine say McCain's economic plans are "dangerous".
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{"commentId":3760905,"authorDomain":"tea47-3333"}
The RNC will never let the DNC fix anything at all. The RNC have put us where we are today. They have repeated set up the house and senate for failer time and time again. The RNC and the greed of the party have put us this path. They turning around saying we will raise taxes. Well if you belive that it is wrong....
The RNC are telling one to many lies. The greed of the RNC are very afraid of what they could take us down the path of no, return. They will put us in depression worst then we are in now. The more and more DNC tell the truelth about what is going on the worst the RNC gets with hated toword the DNC. The RNC are always setting up the DNC.....
This is depression is for real. The stock market is in free fall and no, one cares either...This is about the middle class and poor people and people have no, jobs or healthcare either...
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#57 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:26 PM EDT{"commentId":3765741,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
On the contrary, Theresa...from everything we laymen have been able to find out, it was the dem/lib/socialist/communist party (because we don't have just one identity here), who created this mess. In the immediate, it began with Clinton and his "Community Revitalzatin Act". We are now in debt so far that it will take us years to get out. Do you really think Obama can possibly pay for all his promises? It isn't going to happen. He wants a communist shift in our government. He sees that civil rights were not carried with a "spread the wealth" law. So he is seeking to be able to be in a position of power to force legislation of just such a law.
We wouldn't care who he hung out with, except that it is a good indication of where his thoughts have come from by seeing who he was dealing with since his youth. We don't know alot about Obama. But we're electing him to lead our ENTIRE nation...not just the black people and not just the poor. All of us need to be able to trust this man, and all we're seeing are obstructionist tactics and lies. Why would he deny a long association and friendship with Ayres, unless he didn't want us to know? For what reason would he not tell the truth, unless he wants to hide the truth.
I'm sorry, but I don't trust him. If he were an open book, perhaps...and then I would still have questions about his experience. But I wouldn't be quite a upset at the thought of him possibly being elected.
{"commentId":3765741,"threadId":"402694","contentId":"2050463","authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3767286,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
nkorb1
Again... Hogwash.... You keep saying it..... But it doesn't make it true
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{"commentId":3760936,"authorDomain":"skipster56"}
{"commentId":3761058,"authorDomain":"Butterfly-530135"}
Props to you . You took the words right out my mouth. I totally agree.
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#59 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:31 PM EDT{"commentId":3761084,"authorDomain":"Butterfly-530135"}
Props to you A smith. You took the words right out of my mouth. I totoally agree.
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#60 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:32 PM EDT{"commentId":3763064,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
FEAR/SMEAR 08
Just a tip.... The Swiftboat II is sinking.... with McCain and Palin on it......
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{"commentId":3771645,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
dave,
swiftboat 1 didn't sink. USN records back up corsi's findings...as did the superiors, peers and most subordinates of said subject.
the issue was closed when Navy records confirmed what was in corsi's book. end of story.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3761176,"authorDomain":"kelh2o44"}
Isn't it funny. The election hasn't happened yet and we are already making excuses (for whomever wins).
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- 2 votes
#62 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT{"commentId":3761410,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
Not for whomever win, for Obama!
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{"commentId":3762844,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
No excuses for Obama. I would bet what is left in my 401K that he will do what he has done. Work intelligently, roll up his sleeves, and get to work. On the other side, I think John McCain would take a week long nap.......
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{"commentId":3761233,"authorDomain":"ru4real6846"}
When Barack Obama gets in office, he will have his hands full, because George Bush did nothing but fund this stupid war he started. Bush did nothing about the economy, health care or anything else. Bush just spent $10,000,000 a month on this senseless war that's killing our troops over Bush's lies to the American people. Once, Obama is in office, we are going to see a big change for the better. Obama will fix our economy, health care, and will bring our troops home, because they don't belong there. America will be a better place to live because Obama is smarter than Bush and McCain and finally these rich people won't be getting tax breaks. That's what's ruining our country. The hell with the rich. George Bush is an ass and always will be. I don't understand why this country let him get away with all his lying to get what he wanted. We are so glad Bush is out of there, come January. Bush ruined this country and this country is stupid for letting him do and get away with it. Barack Obama is going to be GREAT for this country and the American people.
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- 1 vote
#63 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:36 PM EDT{"commentId":3761953,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
{"commentId":3763684,"authorDomain":"stearns-clement"}
A racist lawyer that chums with terrorist? I think not!!!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3765323,"authorDomain":"schmidtface"}
lcs, this simply isn't true and you know it.
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{"commentId":3766182,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
4everAmerica:
First of all, do you own a home? Guess what, the dem/lib/socialist/communist definition of a rich person is anyone who owns a home or has dollar a half in the bank. YOU will be being taxed as well...unless of course you are one of the do-nothings with your hand out.
Second...I know you must have been in Chili when 9/11 happened. So you don' t remember why we went to war. Let me tell you why.....WE DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOW THE JIHADISTS TO FIGHT THE WAR ON AMERICA SOIL...AND THEY WANTED TO DO JUST THAT. We didn't start this war, they did. You may not agree with the President taking us into Iraq, but it was encouraged and approved by the Dem/lib/socialist/communists at the time, and clinton stated that Hussein had WMD. He said it on the television and so did the dems....this wasn't just Bush's war.
When President Bush took us to war, he told us this would be a war unlike one we had ever fought. We are fighting an ideaology...one that threatens to try and take over our world. If we don't go to war, it is their intent to take over our nation. These people cut off heads and grind people in meat grinders...that is why we took the opening of going into Iraq. We are fighing this Jihadist war ON THEIR SOIL.
Now, as far as our economy goes...being at war doesn't help, but we could have weathered that just fine. The DEM/LIB/SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST Congressmen took bribed from Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac to turn a blind eye regarding the corrupt bookkeeping practices that have undermined our economy..and the economies all over the world. It doesn't have anything to do with the war.
The Dem/Lib/Socialist/Communist party FORCED banks and mortgage companies to give loans to people who DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL OF REPAYING IT.
By the way, do you have enough money to start a business and give me a job? I don't have enough money to start a business and I need a job. I have to be able to pay my mortgage, and put gas in my car and pay for my medical insurance and prescriptions....just like you. Only guess what....if the government does it for us, we don't get any choices. Socialized medicine results in long waiting lists for people unless they have the money to buy themselves up the list. Government gets to say whether or not your sick son has any value to the system and should be saved or put to death. Doctors get to play God with the lives of infants, and the elderly. But it will be only for their benefit...because after all, we don't want a drain on society, and we certainly will want to be humane about it...right?
That is what you're looking for and it's what the rest of us are fighting against. There have to be better ways.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3767372,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Socialist? Who is a socialist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNke6ad0t6g
Who got us here? I'll tell you who got us here
The rest of your drool is just as faulty..... People... Don't fall for it......
www.politifact.org
www.factcheck.org
www.snopes.com
Please be educated and don't fall for smears..... Pass it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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{"commentId":3761388,"authorDomain":"wwinsemann"}
Now comes MSNBC setting up a power grab by Obama...and we haven't held the election yet. OH the poor new President, he won't have enough power to fix the economy. It's not the President's job to fix the economy. But we know what's in store if Obama gets the job. Higher taxes, more government checks to people who don't pay income tax. Erasing the line between income taxes for general government purposes, and payroll taxes that support the social security system. Hey...in Obamaland "its all good". If you pay any tax and are not financially successful then you deserve to be given money from those who are. Wait.. better yet, lets take the property of families who have acquired wealth at the time of death and pass it around for "the good of the country". What about the good of the families that worked hard, played by the rules, and earned success. Oh right. Take what they earned in the name of "economic justice" and give it to those that have not. Because remember, people who get rich are "bad" and "greedy" and people who are poor are only poor because they are "oppressed", "disenfranchised" and live at the mercy of others' ill will.
This is the ridiculous creed of Obama and many of his supporters. And, after a few years of government by Obama and things are "not all good." What then? More redistribution, greater government control, loss of basic freedoms guaranteed by what Obama sees as a fundamentally flawed Constitution...we have seen it all before and the toll in human suffering and misery could be staggering.
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- 3 votes
#64 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:40 PM EDT{"commentId":3761416,"authorDomain":"ecarclay"}
Either one of these two idiots can fix this mess, in fact they will run this country right to the ground and if Obama gets elected we will have a civil war to many people do not like this evil crooked person and i am one of them and i am a democrat and i am not racist and i do not like McCain either. I am sorry to say that it is the black people who are racist because they are only voting for Obama because of the color of his skin and this is sad because the only important thing is this country and how people are suffering and either one of these candiates are not the answer, this country will be in the ground. Obama does not care about you he just cares about your votes so he can destroy our country, God help us all for the ignorance in this country.
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- 1 vote
#65 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:41 PM EDT{"commentId":3762693,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
LOL!!! More fear and hate....
First this....
Either one of these two idiots can fix this mess,in fact they will run this country right to the ground
And then this
Obama does not care about you he just cares about your votes so he can destroy our country,
And then you call balck people racists, and have the gall to envoke God.... I pray for you, as I am sure God doesn't approve of "baring false whitness"
Sick and Sad...
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{"commentId":3763082,"authorDomain":"alanjsteinberg"}
It is so obvious you are correct, but they do not see it. We have allowed them to play the race card for so long, even when they were wrong that they think it solves all their problems. There is not any racist in this country that can compete with Jessy Jackson and Al sharpton and yet they have the ignorance to accuse other people. America is waking up to this and we will see where it takes us.
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{"commentId":3765554,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
I agree with you on the civil war bit. I think it will come no matter who the next President is. I do not believe it will be a race war, but one based on political ideology. I hope those who hold true to the founding fathers intent win.
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{"commentId":3766429,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
According to the dem/lib/socialist/communists, we've been having a race war for years...we just didn't know it. They are a party that gains power through attacking any weaknesses and exploiting them.
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{"commentId":3767408,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
According to the dem/lib/socialist/communists,
You MUST mean John McCain?
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{"commentId":3761490,"authorDomain":"thecountryfence"}
Subject:* 'Twas the night before elections
*'Twas the night before elections*
*And all through the town*
*Tempers were flaring*
*Emotions all up and down!*
**
*I, in my bathrobe*
*With a cat in my lap*
*Had cut off the TV*
*Tired of political crap.*
**
*When all of a sudden*
*There arose such a noise*
*I peered out of my window*
*Saw Obama and his boys*
**
*They had come for my wallet*
*They wanted my pay*
*To give to the others*
*Who had not worked a day!*
**
*He snatched up my money*
*And quick as a wink*
*Jumped back on his bandwagon*
*As I gagged from the stink*
**
*He then rallied his henchmen*
*Who were pulling his cart*
*I could tell they were out*
*To tear my country apart!*
**
*' On Fannie, on Freddie, *
*On Biden and Ayers!*
*On Acorn, On Pelosi'*
*He screamed at the pairs!*
**
*They took off for his cause*
*And as he flew out of sight*
*I heard him laugh at the nation*
*Who wouldn't stand up and fight!*
**
*So I leave you to think*
*On this one final note-*
*IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM*
*GET OUT AND VOTE
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- 3 votes
#67 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:44 PM EDT{"commentId":3761549,"authorDomain":"ONTIME"}
All due respect for the office of POTUS but if this new guy really wants to put this enconomy back on track then he could be a real leader and chastise the congressional politburo to get them off their duffs and enforce the laws of this nation, those involving immgration, the financial market and asking those who participated in screwing up this nations economy to leave office (that would be better than going to jail for fraud). He could ask to get the energy program underway and ride their butts publicly until they broke down and complied, he could make it a lot easier to do business in this country and stop running business out of the country, make IT so industry could once again produce goods really made in America. He could push for tax reform and ask for a a sales tax instead of this goofy progressive tax we punish everyone with, he could be a man and be a real leader and keep the taxpayers informed by communication and build confidence we have a future here.
We are not the governments children we are the governments employer...DON'T FORGET!
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- 2 votes
#68 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:46 PM EDT{"commentId":3761565,"authorDomain":"dddd44"}
America is in Deep Sh(& and we put are self there. All are jobs are going over seas. All are cars are made in Japan. As are are TV, computers. Hello people,just what did you think would happen. Get real, get things back in America. That is the only way!
I do not care who gets in office, I do not care what he has to say. Unless you get the jobs back to the US. Bring ALL are troops home and get out of that dum war. And get America going with JOBs HERE not over there. America will just go down hill, unless we take a Big Stand and bring America back to America....
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#69 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:46 PM EDT{"commentId":3766548,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
Try and answer one question...why would a business come here? They are going to be forced to pay higher wages, forced to pay much higher taxes, be regulated more and more....
No, if Obama is elected, I'm afraid we'll be seeing a whole lot more businesses moving overseas. Most of big business already has offices overseas...it' would be really easy to simply close down here and lay people off.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3767653,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Try and answer one question...why would a business come here?
Because we are the largest consumer in the world, and if they want to play (which they all obviopusly do) they have to pay (by creating jobs here or get taxed more) which is EXACTLY what Obama proposes.....
I keep hearing all these scare tactics about businesses leaving. We don't need theories... We have RECENT reality to look at. It is called the Clinton years. What Obama proposes is the SAME tax system as then. So what happened then? More jobs, Higher wages, Lower debt, AND corporate profits..... AND most people remeber it fopr themselves.....
All the posturing is just fear monggering, and WE KNOW IT!!!
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{"commentId":3770245,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
What Obama proposes is the SAME tax system as then
well that's a reassuring thought! let's see, revenue from cap gains hit zero, or close to zero all the way until W cut the rate. overall tax revenue was static for several years before it started to increase...IRS income bulletins, at your library
and the 90s...hmmm let's see...oh yeah, offshoring hit an all time high.
good recommendation there joe, the clinton years.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3761608,"authorDomain":"abbanana2"}
We need time to fix financial mess. Surely it takes less time to fix if our president put our Joe first not unnecessary war and big companies.
We, the people who vote our leader, are responsible for what happens in our country.
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#70 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:47 PM EDT{"commentId":3761699,"authorDomain":"ruthcalabria"}
I'm trying to send this message to Bill Clinton. Thanks, if you can, in any way. Ruth
Dear Bill:
Check out the video CBS NEWS video that shows me talking about you in Fayetteville, WV, during the primary. More than half a million people viewed it. I'm the woman who heckled you while you were speaking. After that day, I and my whole family switched from Obama to Hillary and we stayed with her all the way to the end. We wish she were the nominee as we feel that Obama is going to lose it yet.
I said, "Hey, Bill, it's guns or butter."
You paused and kept on with your speech.
"Stop the War!"
You paused and kept on with your speech.
I said, "Hillary promised health care and then she went into the White House and didn't come out to fight for health care."
You stopped and started shouting in her defense, saying that Bob Doyle blocked health care.
I said, "You were the President!"
You said, "I'll talk to you later."
Afterwards I and my husband went forward to shake your hand and gave you one of our leaflets urging you to check out our website, www.matrix-evolutions.com .
I hope you will after the election and McCain wins because I feel that you and Hillary might fight this abomination even though Obama won't. Please, we need you.
Ruth Calabria
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- 1 vote
#71 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:50 PM EDT{"commentId":3761782,"authorDomain":"thecountryfence"}
The two party system????
Remember Lee Iacocca, the VP at Ford credited with the birth of the Mustang, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from their death throes, and the owner of the famous quote 'Lead, follow, or get out of the way'? Well, he's back! He has a new book, and here are some excerpts.
Lee Iacocca writes:
'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course'
Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned 'Titanic' I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'
You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?
I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.
The Biggest 'C' is Crisis !
Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down. George Bush, Dick Cheney and who it this Bozo
coming up next? One of the most Liberal Idiots in the U. S. Senate and he is talking about disarming America . I can't believe the American people are seeing what he is about to do to this country. May God have mercy on us all.
On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A Hell of a Mess. So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great Companies are all moving offshore. We're getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are the worst in the world. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership and we are getting ready to put the most Liberal Senator in the U. S. Senate in as our next President because we want to be fair and elect someone just because of his race. We don't have time to be fair, we need a strong leader.
But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I hope you get the point.
Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.
Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Well guess what people? We are having more floods right now. What are we doing to help these people out. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time. Why are we allowing people to build in flood plains anyway? If you build in a flood area, expect to be flooded and deal with it. Don't expect the Government to bail you out.
Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. All they seem to be thinking now-days is getting themselves bigger salaries and bonuses. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it? likely nothing!
Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.
I have news for the gang in Congress and the Senate. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change? I honestly don't think any of you have one!
Had Enough?
Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope; I believe in America .... In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments I've also experienced some of our worst crises: the 'Great Depression', 'World War II', the 'Korean War', the 'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War', the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this:
'You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to 'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America . It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the crap and go to work . Let's tell 'em all we've had 'enough.'
Make a 'real contribution' by sending this to everyone you know and care about......our future is at stake!
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- 1 vote
#72 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:52 PM EDT{"commentId":3766616,"authorDomain":"nkorb1"}
Hey...is Lee Iacoca running for office? He's got my vote.
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{"commentId":3761882,"authorDomain":"laugustyniak"}
MSNBC....another LAME article!!!
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- 2 votes
#73 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:55 PM EDT{"commentId":3761888,"authorDomain":"jlrcanolick"}
Since about 5% of the people have nearly all the wealth tied up in the country should tell any sane person theres something with the system. No small group of people like this should have never been given the opportunity to seize all the wealth of a country. I know this small group of people own the country and tell the politicians what to do, but I think it would be a good idea for the government to seize these assets of this 5% and use it for some good. This system of plantation owners & slaves can't continue. We have let this small group of people rule us for too long. We've let this go on too long, just as we have let immigration get out of hand over the years. It will be tough but essential to the country to change this system.
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#74 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:55 PM EDT{"commentId":3762231,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
"No small group of people like this should have [n]ever been given the opportunity to seize all the wealth of a country."
Yeah, I mean, can you believe the nerve of that Bill Gates? He drops out of college, goes from state to state, town to town, one garage to another garage, selling his idea of DOS and later Windows, as an operating system for the not yet popular home computer. This evil rich guy spent all of those years convincing computer makers to, well, make computers and put HIS operating system into them and now all of us have these damned computers in our houses and are free to sit in front of them writing blogs on a website about how stupid it is and evil that Bill Gates did this and allowed us to be able to do what we are doing right now. That's right, let's take all of Gate's money from him and give it to john-482021 because it is not fair that he was born with a brain 1/10th the size of Gate's brain and that he is too stupid to prodice anything that the American people actually want. It is so unfair! And you wonder why we believe Obama is a Marxist? So what is Marxism?
- a belief that capitalism is based on the exploitation[3] of workers by the owners of the means of production;
- a belief that this dialectical historical process will ultimately result in a replacement of the current class structure of society with a system that manages society for the good of all, resulting in the dissolution of the class structure and its support (more often than not including the nation state).
Sound familiar john-482021?
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{"commentId":3765415,"authorDomain":"wildweasel66"}
seized? you mean none of the worked for it, saved and invested wisely? wow! if that were the case, i'm sure eliot spitzer or andrew cuomo would jump right on it - after all prosecutions that grab headlines are their specialty.
especially if there is no statute on the books for which they indicting people for...
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3765820,"authorDomain":"bhatgirl"}
Hey should've been, you forgot about Larry Page and Sergey Brin. Can't say for Brin, but I know for a fact that Page was raised in a very middle class home, went to public schools. In other words no silver spoon for him.
Why do people not understand that wealth is not finite? It is not a shell game where the same amount of wealth is just moved around. People CREATE it! If you want some, them educate yourself, improve your skills, take a risk (like Gates, Page and Brin) and go out and make some.
You might succeed, you might fail. But that is LIBERTY.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3761941,"authorDomain":"Butterfly-530135"}
Thank you Nkorb1. Props to you, the truth shall set you free. Amazing how people can't handle the truth.
I'm so sick of Obama and his Anti-christ demeanor of speaking.
Props to skipster 56 also.
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- 5 votes
#75 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:56 PM EDT{"commentId":3762427,"authorDomain":"OhioDave"}
Butterly
You Nkord1, and your hateful anti-christ propaganda wouldn't know the TRUTH if it landed on your shoulder.
The continued lie and hate spewing of the McCain campaign and the Rebublican party is EXACTLy why many of us can't in good conscience vote for you or even be associated with you...
"Thou shalt not bare false witness against thy neighbor"
You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself, but given what you are doing, I doubt you are....
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{"commentId":3762962,"authorDomain":"nascarazee"}
OhioDave- Who are you to think your ways are so rightous that you can jump on someone for voicing their opinon! You should take a look in the mirror when you make a statement like you did! Oh thats right I forgot, its your typical Democratic demeanor that got the best of you. Talk about someone who should be ashamed!!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3763343,"authorDomain":"Butterfly-530135"}
OhioDave, don't you dare quote your scripture at me. I have nothing to be ashamed of. I know my beliefs and I know where I stand morally. No way am I gonna have an Obama follower with compromised morals , quote scripture to me and call me a hypocrite. It takes one to know one buddy, so look in the mirror.
And dont give me the BS about the hate spewing from the McCain campaign, I dont work for the campaign! I'm a US citizin, entitled to vote who has an opinion!
Obama does speak with an Anti-christ demeanor. Note I did not call him THE anti christ I said he had the Demeanor of him. He acts and talks as if hes the answer to all. He's a deceiver he acts Like hes a miracle worker or something but he has no clue his plans and beliefs are ludacris and yet he still has so many deceived
Obama doesn't give a rip about the middle class he only cares about the lazy lower class welfare freeloaders. He's trying to pose as a modern day Robin Hood and put a pretty name on it like "Opportunity". When it's clearly nothing more than SOCIALISM.
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{"commentId":3763697,"authorDomain":"eldon1955"}
Beware of false prophets.
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{"commentId":3763864,"authorDomain":"nascarazee"}
OhioDave- Heres some scripture I got just for you.
This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School: How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?
Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is, Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.
All I can say is "Lord, Have mercy on us!"
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ will be a man in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal, the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when in power he will destroy everything..
Do we recognize this description??
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{"commentId":3764067,"authorDomain":"Butterfly-530135"}
lmao! Thank you Kevin. =o)
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{"commentId":3767724,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Jesus is NOT in favor of Lying!
and people that uses scripture to induce fear are not following Christianity
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{"commentId":3775804,"authorDomain":"trishaphillips"}
There are several books in the Holy Bible that refer to the anti-christ. He is described and what type of reign he will have. It will last 7 years. It does state he will seem to be a man of peace and will deceive many. God even tells us that the number of the anti-christ is 666. God said, " And he causeth all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six." Read Rev. 13:16-18. Rev. is just one book that refers to the anti-christ. God is saying it is possible someone could figure this out, but no one has yet to my knowledge. I have not read anywhere in the Bible, talking about the anti-christ, that says he is a man in his 40's. I guess it could be 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's........who knows. But, the fact is that the anti-christ will appear, but no one but God knows for a certainty when that time will be. God also tells us what prophecies have to be fulfilled before the anti-christ comes. I do wonder about these verichips they are implanting in some people. I have read some people (few I think) have had them implanted and that in some places they are implanting them in babies. I also read a few companies have had them implanted into their employees. I read one person's blog on one of the sites and he said to another person on there he was thinking about getting one of those ID cards and having the chip implanted. You can google verichip. It will tell you what they are "saying" the verichips are for.
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{"commentId":3762259,"authorDomain":"bestbuyins"}
toxic, i have to disagree. while it may be technically true that a lot of the middle class was doing okay a few years ago, real wages are the same now as they were 35 years ago. the seeds were being sowed for the present disaster primarily by the fed & treasury, & the incompetence of paulson, greenspan & bernanke is staggering. the meltdown was also predictable because the national debt and balance of payments deficit are huge. remember there was a surplus under loverboy clinton. greenspan said in his biography that he was glad the rustbelt industries were gone, and that the replacements telecommunication and computers were doing fantastic. the problem is it aint true. in 2006 telecommunications were negative $55 billion plus( we imported $55 billion more than we shipped out). computers were negative $11 billion. not sure if 2007 figures are out yet, i haven't looked, but they are probably worse. i'm not glad the rustbelt is gone, we used to have tremendous strength in our steel & auto industries, today they are basket cases. the housing crisis should never have happened, and wouldn't if mccain pal sen. phil gramm hadn't been instrumental in repealing glass-steagall, and the prime mover in the passage of the commodity futures trade act, both meaures took away regulatory power over our financial institutions. so the bailout was predictable, & so was $4 a gallon gas, tripling of food prices in the last 8 years, the collapse of the housing market, weakening of the dollar. the "liberal media" fails to mention this but the two wars have contributed greatly to our financial mess. can't spend several trillion dollars without ramifications. also the enormous waste at the pentagon & boeing, lockeed, and the rest of the trough feeders are bankrupting america. yet the billion spent on the joint strike fighter jet( which has yet to fly one second over either iraq or afghanistan) & the strategic defense shield (which will never work as anyone with either a phd in math or physics will tell you) both greatly contibute to america's problems. we have never learned what napoleon, the kaiser, & hitler learned the hard way. their lesson was don't attack russia on their soil. our lesson in korea, viet nam, iraq and afghanistan should have been stay out of it, you'll just waste a lot of lives and money. but rumsfield was to stupid to listen to senseki. so bush said the war would be over in 6 weeks & cost $70 billion. it's been 6 years, & mccain voted with bush 90% of the time. don't listen to o'reilly, hannity, limbaugh, savage & the other nitwits.
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#76 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:08 PM EDT{"commentId":3762324,"authorDomain":"askari-ali"}
The premise of this story, "Can the next president have an impact on fixing the economy?" is ridiculous at best. This topic is clear proof that journalism's standards and ethics are barely present in main stream media. Of all the people who should know how the world REALLY works, journalists continue to mislead the public with mythology. Our country was an oligarchy at best which has now just been converted into a kleptocracy. This means that the corporations that have been running this country for quite some time now are being given a huge gift of soon-to-be-worthless cash by our government who expects us to pay that debt off which is totally impossible given the current debt our country is in.
I have not heard a sensible plan or strategy to address the alleged financial crisis from either of the major parties nor do I expect such a thing to occur. It seems we have forgotten the power that 600 billion people have when they wake up and realize that there are enough resources for EVERYONE on this planet to live comfortably. As much as we have evolved mentally and spiritually, when will we get to the point where we no longer allow the very few to control these resources and keep us fighting with one another? Money, gold, diamonds, oil, and other things we consider valuable have been given that value arbitrarily. However, they are but lifeless mediators that we have become dependent upon to provide us the incentive to conceptualize, create, grow, and implement things necessary to our survival.
EVERYONE needs food, water, shelter, education and there is a vast abundance of all these things but we don't ensure that EVERYONE has access to them. Instead, we make ego-based excuses for not assisting those in needs such as blaming the victim of laziness, discriminating against their skin color, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever foolishness our insecure minds can come up with. This happens in our own "greatest country on earth" every day and we are doing little to change that. Everyone for him/herself is not a "United States" of anything. Until we recognize that our humanity is our common bond and begin respecting and protecting life in all its various forms, the imbalanced control of the minority over the majority will continue to thrive.
I know many of you are very upset about feeling absolutely powerless to have any kind of influence upon your elected officials but there is a different mind set required to solve the problems we find ourselves facing. We have to first wake up and learn how the world really works. Google "money as debt" and watch a very simplified but accurate view on how our banking and economic systems are based upon smoke and mirrors. Watch C-SPAN and see how our 2-party system does little to benefit the American citizenry who aren't there to lobby on their own behalf. Read the constitution and learn how our "wonderful" forefathers invested ALL of the citizens' powers into congress with no recourse to have them removed by the people when they no longer benefit their constituencies.
We ALL see the blatant disregard for our needs by politicians and CEOs alike yet we continue to look to them for relief from the problems they helped create. Even our justice system has succumbed to the siren call of capitalism and sits mesmerized and in collusion with the very criminals it should be adjudicating.
My fellow US citizens, we have to work together to help each other wake up out of the madness that masquerades as "society." We are intelligent enough come up with better ways to deal with issues and have our needs met. The question is, do we have the will to work together and ultimately do better?
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#77 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:10 PM EDT{"commentId":3762571,"authorDomain":"timothymking"}
I was just reading a CNN Article online that discussed Sarah Palin's future GOP Clout. The Alaskan Govenor is attempting to discuss economics (among other things) and agin is coming off as a poorly informed individual. The Republican Party is already splintering into smaller tribes, the main one is hopeful that Palin will be a future asset to the party and run again. The handlers and Governer are indicating they would have ran things differently. There are two main problems with this premise; She will have no clout in Alaska after this completely failed attempt at a national office. The trooper-gate issue is not over and the Alaska Legislature is not done with her yet. She will not be re-elected and may be forced to leave office early. Secondly, if the GOP attempts to run on her for a national office she will be further scrutinized and would be interviewed in greater depth (and we all know how well she does in interviews) and fail miserably in communicating to the American population. She is suppose to have a degree in communications and she has no grasp of the english language. I am all in favor of the Republican Party putting all their eggs in this basket! It will assure that America will stay on the right track for years to come (under Democratic Party rule).
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#78 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:19 PM EDT{"commentId":3763706,"authorDomain":"vote4tom"}
I stopped reading your post when you sourced CNN, otherwise known as the Communist News Network. Nice try though.
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{"commentId":3767742,"authorDomain":"earldgray"}
Yes... Yes... let's ONLY listen to Fox... and Rush.... LOL!!!!
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