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AP poll shows Obama backers gleeful, McCain's glum

Sat Nov 1, 2008 7:02 AM EDT
politics, barack-obama, poll, emotions, voter, ap-yahoo
Alan Fram, Associated Press

Presidential candidate Il. Senator Barack Obama shakes hands during a rally at Wicker Memorial Park in Highland Ind., Friday, Oct.31, 2008.(AP Photo/Paul Beaty)

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— That smiling guy walking down the street? Odds are he's a Barack Obama backer. The grouchy looking one? Don't ask, and don't necessarily count on him to vote next week, either.

Supporters of John McCain, long less enthusiastic than Obama's, have become increasingly glum about the presidential campaign in recent weeks, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll released Saturday. Their feelings have turned more negative during a period that has seen Obama, the Democratic senator from Illinois, take a firm lead in many polls.

Obama's backers have retained a higher level of excitement. One expert says the contrasting moods could affect how likely the two candidates' supporters are to vote on Election Day, possibly dampening McCain's turnout while boosting Obama's.

While 43 percent of Obama's backers said they are excited over the campaign, just 13 percent of McCain's said so, according to the survey of adults, conducted by Knowledge Networks. Six in 10 Obama supporters said the race interests them, compared to four in 10 backing McCain, the Republican senator from Arizona.

On the flip side, 52 percent of McCain supporters said the campaign has left them frustrated, compared to 30 percent of Obama's. A quarter of McCain backers say they feel helpless, double the rate of those preferring Obama.

More McCain supporters also feel angry and bored, while Obama's are likelier to say they are proud and hopeful.

All of this is a bad sign for McCain, according to George E. Marcus, a political scientist from Williams College who has studied the role emotion plays in politics. Negative feelings about a campaign can discourage voters by making them less likely to go through what can be a painful process: Voting for someone who will lose.

"If I'm getting my head handed to me by a tennis player, my brain is saying, 'Do I want a second match? No,'" Marcus said. "Why do something that's going to lead to failure?"

Marcus said such emotions can be overcome by outside events, such as a campaign or neighbor urging a person to vote. There's also the danger exuberant Obama backers might decide not to vote because of overconfidence. The Obama and McCain organizations combined have spent hundreds of millions of dollars for those very reasons.

Obama leads McCain among likely voters in the AP-Yahoo News poll, 51 percent to 43 percent.

Supporters of McCain cite a dislike for Obama, dissatisfaction with the campaign's tone and frustration with how news organizations have treated their candidate.

"Flat disgusted, how's that?" said Billie Hart, 80, a Houston Republican backing McCain. "Because that's the way I feel about it. I don't like the individual. I just don't think the United States will be going in the right direction."

Many Democrats say they're energized by a candidate they perceive as different from most politicians and who can make a real difference.

"Elections have always been so ho-hum," said Kathleen Rockwell, 61, an Obama supporter from Redmond, Wash. This time, "I feel connected. And that feels good."

The AP-Yahoo News poll, which has followed the same group of 2,000 people since last November, underscores how individuals have reacted to the campaign's currents. For many McCain supporters, it's not been a happy period.

Three in 10 McCain backers who report being frustrated now said in September they weren't. That is quadruple the number who became less frustrated.

At the same time, one in five McCain supporters are not interested in the campaign now who said they were in September. Half that number gained interest. By similar margins, McCain backers report becoming more angry, bored, overwhelmed and helpless and have become less excited, proud and hopeful.

"I'm real interested in having it over," said Michele Roos, 64, a McCain supporter from Newport News, Va.

Enthusiasm by Obama backers has largely stayed steady since September, though slightly more of them — 31 percent — now say the campaign makes them feel proud.

"I didn't like the candidates before," said Angelique Sims, 38, an Obama supporter from Shawnee, Okla. "I like his character. I like the things he represents. He represents my views."

A closer look at the numbers show how that emotions are playing out to Obama's advantage in several pivotal groups of voters.

Forty-eight percent of those under age 30 who support Obama say they are excited over the race, compared to just 21 percent of those young voters who back McCain. That age group has been a reservoir of strong support for the Democrat.

Just 44 percent of whites supporting the Republican say the campaign interests them, compared to 58 percent of whites and 72 percent of blacks supporting Obama.

At the same time, half of McCain supporters age 65 and up say they're frustrated, compared to three in 10 of Obama's older voters. Also saying they're frustrated are 53 percent of whites backing McCain — compared to 40 percent of whites and 12 percent of blacks behind Obama.

The AP-Yahoo News poll of 1,753 adults was conducted Oct. 17-27 and had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points. Included were interviews with 803 Obama supporters and 703 McCain supporters, with error margins of plus or minus 3.5 and 3.7 points respectively.

The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.

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AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and AP writer Christine Simmons contributed to this report.

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Polling site: http://news.yahoo.com/polls

© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Phillyinthe310

hahahaha

jazzman cried himself to sleep last night.....in the waaaaaahhhhhhmbulance lol

HURRAH OBAMA SUPPORTERS...our time is now ATTACK!!! and dont let up

the enemy is weak...he is hurt...and he is down ....LETS KICK HIM!!

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
ABD3

He forgot to mention BUSY!  Going out this afternoon.  The polls are open late and we're going "tailgating" in North Carolina.

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
Roxanne2Sweet

u know Philly, i have not seen Jazzman on the Vine in awhile now. I hope he has not despaired & gone done something drastic like joining Vogler's & the Palin's A.I.P.  ...

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:09 AM EDT
DragonWoman

Thanks, I need the laugh. I unfortunately have seen the "wonder himself" jazz on one of he rant vines.

He is in one of his power hungry moods since his spanking earlier this week. This may put him over the edge.

  • 7 votes
#1.3 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
ForestlakeDeleted
R. Donald Snyder

I'm happy, but cautious. The GOP has cheated it's way into power before and there is no doubt they'll try it again.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
bjrdh2

philly,

If your attitude reflects Obama's, I am glad I voted for a real classy man.  Because if Obama talks that trashy, he and you are putting down all the classy African Americans that I admire.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
GoldenGateMami_Susi

I voted this morning! Got the poll at 6:30 didn't get home until 10:45.  When arrived it was already about 200 strong. When I left it was at least 4-5 hours long.

One guy has been in Atlanta for 3 weeks on business and will be there for another 2 months.  He drove all night to make it down to St. Pete to vote and was literally voting and driving back to Atlanta.  The lines in ATL he said are scary long but enthusiastic!

People were excited, hopeful, energized, realizing we were all part of a historic movement....and it was worth getting up before the crack of dawn to participate and leave your mark.

The majority of the people in line were DEMOCRATS! :)

Florida is going PURPLE!

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
DragonWoman

Yeah..GGM =} I am doing this Tuesday afternoon.... It is tradition in my family. Besides, New York doesn't have early voting. Our state don't swing. I looked back and we were one of the few states voting for Dukacas in 1988. Go figure!

Mover: he got suspended for a day I think. He seems to be taking it out on anyone who shows him up. I listed all his seeds and vines and asked everyone what they had in common. They are all hating and seem to be escalating as the election is coming up. It was not only deleted, it was completely erased off his vine and out of my column.

Must be afraid of something. It wasn't like I was attacking him, just his vine lines.

DOH!! =}

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
Dennis C. LathamDeleted
Phillyinthe310

bjrdh2

who cares wo you voted for....this article said dont ask

cuz your unmotivated, angry, and pointless

so i dont wanna know....your a needle in a haystack in this country

my side is motivated and energized....im part of rock4obama....yesterday we funded a 100 people to fly to arizona to battle mccain on nov 2 and 3rd

we are not done beating you repugs up...we made it our goal to take arizona ....it will not lean red when those polls open !!

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
Phillyinthe310

i did the same thing...listed his stupid seed titles

he deletes you for that....because his seed titles are so full of GOP glee

well he aint smilin no more!!....now im over here listening to palins crap speech

bout how shes gonna fix things and can we hire her.....palins such a ditz

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Phillyinthe310

forgot to vote this

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
John McCreery

No overconfidence, please. Be sure to vote and make sure that two or three more do as well.

  • 14 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:36 AM EDT
Dennis C. LathamDeleted
GoldenGateMami_Susi

DragonWoman  it doesn't matter when you vote.......as long as you VOTE! 

Voting like community service are wonderful family traditions to have and instill in our children.

Im glad I voted. When I got in my car for the drive home I felt like a weight had been lifted.

Speaking of Jazzman......I wonder, what all these people like him are going to do if Obama is elected and then proves ALL of them wrong....and the rest of use MORE THAN RIGHT?

:)

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
corperateties

Crawl back into their holes for about eight years!

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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M. Remmers

Well, if the dip@!$%#s in your political party had convinced your stupid ass that the anti-christ was getting elected you'd be a little grumpy too.

  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
corperateties

The anti christ is over in britain man. His little brother w jr. is going out of office.

sheeesh get it right.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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Mrs Brady

It is pretty funny how true that is . Most McCain/Palin Supporters are not in a good mood .

my votes already in :)

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:40 AM EDT
bjrdh2

What??????  Are you talking about the few that may have been interviewed for this pole.  If you are listening to the MSM, NBC, MSNBC pollsters, they have it wrong!!! You need to look at the real pols, after Obama has changed his tax plan, three times in the past week, Biden changed it one time, Richards(or what ever the idiot Gov. of Mexico's name), changed the tax plan to 120,000, soon it will be the 42,000 obama voted on.  HE IS SOOOO ERRATIC, I don't think he even knows what he means.  The NBC,  MSNBC, have been inflating their pols for months now.  So if you are crazy enough to think they are right, you have been deputed.  Another point, if obama is sooo popular, why hasn't he closed this out.  John McCain has been moving up in the pols, obama, moving down or has stayed the same.  obam said it is selfish not wanting to spread the wealth.  I do not believe in welfare, been their done that.  I want to give my money to whom ever I want to have it.  So I think if you look at John McCain smile while speaking, then look at obamas fake smile, you can see that WE are very Happy!!

    #5.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
    Mrs Brady

    more silly smears .

    • 3 votes
    #5.2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
    Monica-475606

    Does anyone even care about the polls or what any news channel has to say anymore? I know I don't My vote has been sealed even before McCain picked his running mate. No one cares about the small petty things.  The candidates have said all that they can say, and the truth is John McCain shot himself in the foot.  Obama did nothing more than stay consistent with his message while John McCain and Co. jumped all over the board like suspending their campaign to fix a crisis that he couldn't fix, to linking Obama to people few people had ever heard of and no one really cared about.  He even started affiliating with a plumber who's not licensed to be a plumber, who said he was going to buy a business he couldn't afford and who's name is not even Joe!  They are so far away from reality its frightening.  This is what happens when you're full of yourself and you fail to make the correlation between the demographic shift in America and the political landscape.  The right can no longer cater to itself to get elected, they must now truly put country first and create a party that appeals to everyone instead of a select few.  Until they do that I see nothing but hard times ahead for the G.O.P.

    • 2 votes
    #5.3 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
    corperateties

    bjrdh2.

    McCain is only moving up Palins skirt. His standings have fallen.

    Stop watching faux news man.

    • 2 votes
    #5.5 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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    metonitoo

    Philly, How do you expect participation on newsvine when you begin with such a mean message? This is a well done article, of which, i would have made serious analytical comment but now i'm just saddened that Obama could not be proud of what you wrote.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:40 AM EDT
    Phillyinthe310

    no need to be civil....i already voted....i already voiced my opinion

    republicans on newsvine get into the dirt with every seed

    im just returning the favor...showing them how sad and miserable they are as i push my candidate towards the finish line

    obama might not like it...but im not here to please obama....hes there to please me

    and i like it that way

    • 9 votes
    #6.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:44 AM EDT
    metonitoo

    Yes, the Ap has become an arm of Murdock every since he bought it. He runs what use to be reputable the same way he runs Fox, duh? i thought you knew.

    • 2 votes
    #6.2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:46 AM EDT
    DragonWoman

    This is not mean, but satire.

    • 4 votes
    #6.3 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
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    BB-375952

    Obama is just too cocky that is why he is smiling, McCain is an intense person and a hard worker and trying to get the truth about Obama to everyone before it is too late.

    Did you hear Obama say you are selfish if you don't want a tax increase.  He isn't the smartest cookie in the jar, if he thinks Americans should want to pay more taxes, the taxes they are already paying is what MCCAIN is wanting to manage better.  We have already seen how Obama loves to spend money.

      #7 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:43 AM EDT
      Phillyinthe310

      hehe

      your gonna loooooseeeee

      still room on that wahhhhhhhhmbulance BB hop on it!!!

      • 8 votes
      #7.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:48 AM EDT
      More Cow BellDeleted
      metonitoo

      You missed the truth where McCain got a "Pass" on the 5-yes 5 US Aircraft McCain crashed "hot-dogging"

      You forgot that McCain IS a child of privilege that never held a real job (work? McCain never knew what that was) Dad and Granddad 'covered' for him even ater breaking the POW COH (that's why he never made rank, got out instead, trying to make up for that in this election)

      NOW- the money Obama spends is money given by "We The People" To Buy Back Our Nation From The Lobby Controlled Republican Big Oil Dictator -why do you think Obama has 16,000,000 donors under $25.00, 27mil. under $80,00, huh?

      We did that to end this lie - Bush/McCain wants socialism to the rich in their vision of a "Trickle-Down-Economy" That Has Never Trickled down to the middle economic levels.

      Obama wants to unite our Nation,,, your post just divides like McCain/Palin.

      • 13 votes
      #7.3 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
      Max 3PO

      Obama loves to spend money.

      On "We The People", not on a war that should have never been. The country needs to be upgraded, Bush couldn't do it, and McCain is a Bushie all the way. The next time you drive across a bridge, remember, tax dollars are needed to keep the bridge safe. Obama/Biden will bring an end to the wasteful spending, and spend it where it's needed.

      • 11 votes
      #7.4 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:02 AM EDT
      BB-375952

      What is so sad is you all believe the lies that he spreads. 

       Where did he come from?

       Who placed him here?

      Who is backing him?

        Why does he choose RADICAL friends? 

      He won't tell. 

      That should tell you a lot.

      • 1 vote
      #7.5 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:20 AM EDT
      Mrs Brady

      look up the facts do not buy the smear campaign . Obama has most posted on his site and factcheck.org has debunked them also . vote !

      • 3 votes
      #7.6 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:26 AM EDT
      BB-375952

      Mrs Brady

      Obama is a RADICAL man he has his ways of hiding the truth.....

      Check Out His Mentor's  Frank Marshall Davis a known communist and (So called) REV. WRIGHT who is full of Hate, and he has been Obama's mentor for 20 years. OMG.  you want him for your President.  I don't have to smear the campaign actually Obama has already lived this and you all don't want to see it......

      Wonder where he will place Ayers in the White House or Kalidi? YIKES!

      I want my Country Safe from People who hate us, and Obama wants to sit down and tak to them as if they were our FRIENDS.  HE IS NOT TOO SMART!

      I have voted!!

      MCCAIN-PALIN

      And if you LOVE your COUNTRY and want to keep it SAFE you will also vote for McCain-Palin.

        #7.7 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
        More Cow BellDeleted
        Behind My Screen

        How is he cocky? Because he is not as concerned as McCain? every stump speech he has, he tells the people not to get cocky and to make sure to vote because it isn't over until Nov. 5th.

        Obama supporters are getting cocky for sure, but since when have the public been smart about behavior?

        • 3 votes
        #7.9 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
        Mrs Brady

        McCain's questionable ties

        Jim Hensley, Convicted Felon

        G. Gordon Liddy, Convicted Felon

        Charles Keating, Convicted Felon

        Raffaello Follieri, Convicted Felon

        Rick Renzi, Under Indictment

        Rick Davis, Freddie Mac Lobbyist

        Charles Black, Lobbyist for Dictators

        Richard Quinn, White Supremist

        Pastor John Hagee, Bigot

        Pastor Rod Parsley, Bigot

        Todd Palin, Member of Secessionist Group

        Andrew McCain, Resigned Manager Savings & Loan

        Rashid Khalidi ,McCain Gave Half Million Dollars to him

        Vote Obama

        • 7 votes
        #7.10 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
        F-3

        BB

        Did you hear Obama say you are selfish if you don't want a tax increase.  He isn't the smartest cookie in the jar, if he thinks Americans should want to pay more taxes, the taxes they are already paying is what MCCAIN is wanting to manage better.

        Unless you make 250K or more, Mr Obama is NOT GOING TO RAISE YOUR TAXES. If you do make that much, you can afford a 3% tax increase. Trickle down economics does not work. If you give rich people tax breaks, they say thank you and pocket the money. They don't create more jobs. You're just stuck believing all that trickle down crap the republicans have been spewing for 28 years.

        • 7 votes
        #7.11 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
        CliffDogg

        nobody spends money like the republicans - look at the facts, look at history and you'll see the huge deficits under republican presidents. but i doubt if anyone will bother to get informed, you'd rather get opinionated, so keep listening to rush and sean.

        yea, democrats spend - a little less than repubs, but we spend. but at least we have something to show for it at the end. what has bush/mccain trickle-down economics given you?

        • 7 votes
        #7.12 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
        ohiogal-479871

        B.B i don't think it was SMART in the least bit for bush not to raise taxes in war time, and instead decided it was better to owe money to China.  Americans don't mind taxes when it goes for what we want, such as good roads, good schools, a strong military, and a better healthcare system.  I rather pay for our own expenses than be indebted to another country. 

        What we do mind is paying 700,000,000,000 to bail out banks and the rich, and then to hear them complain about a 3% tax increase.  That's Un-American.

        • 5 votes
        #7.13 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:13 AM EDT
        ohiogal-479871

        To add onto what Morecowbell said, I have never known people in my life that have ever donated to a campaign until this year.  This year, I've donated to Obama and I know several other people who have donated as well.  I don't know any of McCain supporters that have donated to his campaign.  The truth of the matter is, if republicans were out in force for McCain before he clinched the nomination, he too would have been able to raise the money Obama did.  But republicans weren't exited about him then, he was near bankruptcy and he had to go into public financing in order to have a shot. 

        In the end, just like we had no one but ourselves to blame for Gore and Kerry's loss, it's time republicans point the finger at themselves for McCain. 

        • 4 votes
        #7.14 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
        More Cow BellDeleted
        corperateties

        I call Trickle Down Economics...............And the last 28 yrs.......Forced Labor Intensive Brain Washing!

        • 3 votes
        #7.16 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
        Beverly H

        BB, yes I heard Obama say your selfish, just another attack trying to make people feel bad for their accomplishments..Its too bad...Yet I've heard he and Biden both have big earnings and don't give much in the way of donations, maybe it is they who are selfish. 

         I know with all the turmoil in the country that the younger people are discouraged and the last 8 years have been difficult for many of us, as you know I am a supporter of McCain and the reasons are many, first of all I do believe that lowering taxes on everyone even if it is not a big tax relief, would stimulate the economy and help create more jobs. I know a lot of people blame the Economic crisis on the taxes and that is just not so. I feel the housing market and the greed on wall street is what screwed us over, I feel that the over lending of the banks for people unqualified to buy screwed us, and yes there were a lot of other factors that went along with that, but it was not the taxation policy. I also think those that are earning more should have the right to choose were their money goes,  it shouldn't be decided by the federal government, If they feel someone needs more it should be up to them to decide if they want to donate.

        I believe that we have had an unfortunate set of circumstances, 911, the wars, Kitrina and other national desasters that have increased the deficit and I believe the out of control spending in Washington is a big culprit in the deficit. That is another reason I support Mc, he has never accepted an earmark in all the years in congress, he wants to and will cut spending dramatically, he wants to freeze spending for almost everything for a while and sort through the programs and get rid of the ones that don't work.

        Also The war in Iraq, I am a veteran so I support the efforts in Iraq, I believe if we pull out before completing the mission we set ourselves up for further problems down the road. I feel our men and women in Iraq deserve better than what the Viet Nam Vets got, these people put their lives on the line willingly to preserve the freedoms and rights we as Americans have as well as those in other parts of the world deserve. We are not a mean Country, if anything we do for others more than any other country in the world.  Are we spending alot of money? yes, but when the Iraqies take control completely then we leave knowing we helped them acheive the freedoms they deserve.

        I believe the energy crisis is only beginning and we need to drill off shore and in Alaska, we need neuclear power, clean coal, natural gas, wind and solar, we cannot wait to start drilling it is something that needs to begin now.

        I feel Mc will help as far as small businesses by keeping them fluid by not raising taxes and that will allow more job creation. Even in my line of work, I am considered independant allthough I work for a broker, but when I am earning more money on a regular basis, it will allow me to hire others to help me.

        so thats kind of where I'm coming from as far as why I chose to support McCain

          #7.17 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
          Monica-475606

          Beverly, I can't say I agree with you but I respect your point of view.  However, The disasters that have happened in the last eight years are unfortunate, and I agree that they can not be totally blamed on the Bush administration.  However the lack of response to Hurricane Katrina was absolutely reprehensible and is inexcusable. 

          I will never forget the sheer sense of anger I had as the country stood by watching children and the elderly suffer.  If the America these politicians speak so fondly of is the shining city on the hill, then there is no way the hurricane Katrina debacle should have occurred.  The problem is that this country has many many problems, and I realize it is hard to address them all but ignoring them does nothing to solve the problem. 

          I want an America that will be proactive instead of reactive.  I want an America that is open to being questioned on it's merits because that's the only real way to learn.  I want America to be respected by the world and not just looked at as the dumb jock with all muscle and no brains. I honestly don't believe John McCain can take America in that new direction, and I believe Barack Obama will.

          • 4 votes
          #7.18 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
          Beverly H

          Monica, I agree things were horrible during Katrina, I don't think anyone had a handle on it. Its was terribly unfortunate for all those who had to suffer through such a mess, but my point was this was a factor in the deficit.

          I believe john McCain has the experience, the knowlegde and the ability to make change in our country, it is proven in his record that he can do the things he says he will do, Obama does not have the record that shows he is even capable of working across party lines, he is already picking his cabinet and to no surprise they well be all liberal democrats. Mc will bring both sides together and work for the good of all people not just the people of choice.

            #7.19 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
            HUH?????

            They did a story on CBS last night about the tax differences between McCain & Obama. 

            If you are a married couple and make under $250,000 your taxes will be reduced under Obama, period.  If you are a married couple and make $250,000 you will see an increase in your taxes of $600. 

            Oh hurt me please, if I made $250k I would be more than happy to pay an additional $600.

            Under Bushes tax cuts, I have not seen a refund in the last seven years.  My husband and I only make $50k a year.

            I'm voting Obama/Biden all the way.

            • 5 votes
            #7.20 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
            More Cow BellDeleted
            Monica-475606

            True however I'm almost positive the debt incurred by Katrina is fractional compared to the debt created by the Iraq war.  I commend you for your service to this country.  Rest assured that I have no qualm with the military men and women who are in Iraq.  These people are doing their jobs. 

            My problem is with those in charge of their well being who bullheadedly entered into a war with no exit strategy.  This was has no end because Terrorism is too broad of a subject.  This country isn't even free of terrorism so how do they expect to bring and end to something they can't do here?  I would also like for someone to define what "wining" means in this war.  It's too easy to say defeat the enemy especially when the enemy in this war does not represent the government of the country we've invaded and has no formal government. To make matters worse the "enemy" doesn't even wear a uniform making it even harder to distinguish between them and civilians. My wish is that we bring our military men and women back home, it wouldn't be a defeat in my eyes, it would be a celebration to all those families who have been longing to see their loved ones.

            • 2 votes
            #7.22 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
            More Cow BellDeleted
            corperateties

            Monica ......

            Don't forget! The same outfit that  failed to handle the Katrina debacle correctly or intelligently. Was the same that handled the 9/11 massacre. Also......t.h.e.y. are the same reason why the 9/11 commission had to go to the land fills to get debris to analize.

            Katrina was perfect for showing civil unrest. And, gave w JR. the chance to wield his power as king. Practicing gorilla warfare on his own countryside. the prelude to his own one world gov.t..

            Some will call me a conspiracy theorist. That is o.K.! But........you read this. And the seed has been planted. You'll think about it!

            • 2 votes
            #7.24 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
            Beverly H

            HUH??? I don't believe that taxplan, Obama has changed it so many times its ridiculous to fall for his word, I've heard 250,000, 200,000 150,000 and richardson said 120,000, so who really knows where it well end up, since he voted last year to raise taxes on anyone making 42,000.

            Its all a ploy to get him elected, once he's in he'll raise taxes on everyone to pay for all his spending.

              #7.25 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
              Beverly H

              corporateties, I believe there were mistakes made but don't go trying to start the crap that is was done to any group of people purposely.

                #7.26 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
                Beverly H

                More cow bell, yes, maybe he did vote with Bush, but Obama voted to raise taxes on everyone 94% of the time...

                  #7.27 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
                  F-3

                  Beverly H

                  HUH??? I don't believe that taxplan, Obama has changed it so many times its ridiculous to fall for his word,

                  Even if there are adjustments to be made, I still find it a far more reasonable plan than that of Mr McCain, who wants the majority of his tax cuts to go to those earning the highest percentage of income. He's advocated a spending freeze on everything except his war and social security. (both of which he personally benefits from) That is just one of the reasons I voted for Mr Obama.

                  • 4 votes
                  #7.28 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
                  Beverly H

                  F-3 McCains plan to lower the taxes on the job creators is the right thing to do, Obama's plan will only deplete jobs.

                  Excuse me but you too will benefit from the war and social security, it affects us all in the long run.

                    #7.29 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
                    More Cow BellDeleted
                    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                    F-3

                    Beverly H

                    Excuse me but you too will benefit from the war

                    I respectfully disagree. I don't believe that the majority of Americans will benefit from this war. The people of the middle east have been killing each other since the beginning of recorded history. I've no reason to suspect that the USA is going to be able to stop them. A continued presence in Iraq is financially and morally irresponsible.

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.32 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
                    ohiogal-479871

                    Beverly the Obama's tax plan never changed.  It's been the same way for months: if you make under 250,000 you will get no increase in taxes.  Less than 200,000 you'll get a tax cut.  So it's implied that 200,000-250,000 will not get a raise or a decrease. 

                    You can't blame Obama for what surrogates say no more or less than you can blame McCain for what his surrogates say, just go online and find out the truth for yourself.

                    My whole problem with the tax cut system is that you can't tax your way out of everything, the problems with Katrina resulted because of tax cuts that prevented the city from maintenance on their levies.  The response from fema was a direct result of tax cuts and deregulation.

                    Tax cuts does not and never equalled job increases. McCain could have easily written a tax code that helped businesses that hired d by giving them credits and incentives. But he didn't. His main goal is decreasing the responsibilities of corporate America and increasing corporate wealth and he has masked that plan with a false intention of helping small businesses. 

                    The best example we have is the last eight years. Bush have given the biggest tax cuts in the modern era and he lost the most jobs. 

                    So tell me how does tax cuts = job creation?  If anything it causes a direct loss of jobs by hindering the infrastructure employmentand stifling our education system. 

                    • 4 votes
                    #7.33 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
                    Behind My Screen

                    Beverly,

                    The architect of the supply side theory thinks Republicans have gone insane with tax cuts.

                    supply side was not about cut any and all taxes. It was about cutting specific taxes a specific amount and you will grow the revenue. Cut to much or cut too little and you hurt revenue and the economy. Regan cut the taxes that needed cutting. supply side had been accomplished. Since then, we have been going nuts with idiots spouting all kinds of BS about how cutting taxes is the solution to all our problems.

                    Read up on it. What we have since the marginal tax rates were optimized under Regan is a give away to the rich. We are far from optimized and we certainly have not focused only on those who are likely to invest in our economy (hint, not everyone with a lot of money invests in our economy in the ways supply side theory wants)

                    • 3 votes
                    #7.34 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
                    Lisa1717

                    In the twenty-eight years since Reagan implemented the trickle down economic theory, it has shown itself to be an abject failure. This has resulted in a massive redistribution of wealth upward, $600 billion of wealth has been lost from the middle class. Coincidentally, $600 billion of new wealth has found itself in the wealthy class. Through the 3 republican administrations during this time period the size of government has grown and our national debt has also grown. The Clinton administration was the only one that saw the size of government decrease and produce a budget surplus, which had it been maintained would have eliminated our debt in 10 years. However, the current Bush squandered that surplus, DOUBLED our debt from $5.4 trillion to well over $10 trillion, increased government spending by 40%, while simultaneously and massively reducing revenue by giving tremendous tax cuts to the wealthy and big corporations. These are the facts. I fail to see how a party which has brought us such disastrous economic policies can be trusted to get us out of the mess that they created. I fail to see how doubling down on the Bush tax cuts will create a different result. Per Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.

                    Our economy is based on consumerism more than anything else. It raises and falls on the ability of the middle class to consume. If the middle class does not have money, guess what? They will not buy and the economy heads into recession. When the market crashed on 10/15 730+ points, that was because a report was issued that morning indicating a significant decrease in consumer spending. During the week,  report was issued about our GDP, that showed a significant contraction due to decreases in consumer spending. Decreased consumer spending affects small business and large business as their revenues decrease, often resulting in layoffs, increased unemployment, and even less money in the hands of consumers, and so the downward spiral into recession plays itself out.

                    Maybe I am dense, but I fail to see how giving much more money to the wealthiest people and companies in America, will stimulate the economy. What will stimulate the economy is more money in the hands of the consumer. The more they buy, the more money business makes, the more employees they can hire so even more money flows into the middle class. The wealthy people who own these business make more money. Middle class people making more money then pays more taxes to the government, which increases governmental revenue. This is what Obama means by building the economy from the bottom up.

                    Obama's tax cuts for the middle class are aimed at stimulating the economy from the bottom up. Obama also wants to create jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. This provides jobs and money to the people who do the labor, the contractors who handle the job, and to local governments. He also intends to stimulate the economy by giving tax credits to businesses that hire new workers, eliminate capital gains tax for small business, and make available low-cost loans to small businesses. And small businesses will not see a tax increase, as 98% of them earn less than $250,000, including the business Joe the unlicensed plumber is not buying.

                    • 6 votes
                    #7.35 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
                    BB-375952

                    Bevverly

                    That was a good posting.  I agree with you.  McCain will create more jobs and that is what we should be focusing on.  Not giving money to people who don't want to work.

                      #7.36 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
                      BB-375952

                      Beverly H

                      Excuse me for misspelling your name.

                        #7.37 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
                        BB-375952

                        Dennis C. Latham

                        NO!  It is you who is in denial.  Beverly H.  just told it like it is........in her posting.  #7.17

                          #7.38 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
                          BB-375952

                          F-3

                          I am afraid you are the one who is wrong.  Keep up.....Obama says, 250.000.000 then changed it to 200,000.00 and Biden said 150,000.00 then the smart Governor of New Mexico, said 120,000.00.  So which is it.  Can you trust Obama to know what he is saying, much less what he is going to do IF he is elected President.

                          I know I don't trust him.

                            #7.39 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
                            BB-375952

                            Cow Bell

                            What achievements has Obama accomplished. Graduated college, work with community organizers, then became a Senator that voted Present more times that yea or nay.  I am sure you also heard John Edwards tell America that and also, you heard Biden say that he is not experienced enough to take on the Presidents position in the White House, now what has changed since Biden said that, UH, he selected Biden to be the running mate.  I don't think Biden thinks he is any more experienced, he just wants to be Vice-President.

                              #7.40 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
                              BB-375952

                              Ohiogal-

                              So you think it is smart for Obama to raise taxes during  a RECESSION?

                                #7.41 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 5:13 PM EDT
                                Behind My Screen

                                BB,

                                repeating the McCain talking points does not make them true.

                                Obama's plan is what Obama says it is, not what others are claimed to have said by McCain and Palin.

                                • 4 votes
                                #7.42 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
                                corperateties

                                BB-90210who gives a crap!

                                The reason we are in a recession. Is Your idiot president dumb ass wJR. And idiot Senators and Congressmen like the Rep. Johnny "Reverse  Appleseed" McCain.

                                And yes.... raising a little tax on someone that makes over $250,000 a year is not a bad thing.

                                Oh God. BB you act like your the one who is making over 250,000 a yr..

                                Why defend the ones who are fleacing your country . Dollar by dollar.

                                I have said this before. Your precious McCain doesn't care about you.........just your vote!

                                I would rather get screwed by someone new like Obama than  like McCain and wJR.!

                                Haven't you ever heard the saying. Fool me once. Shame on me. Fool me twice shame on you. Well they both have had their chances.

                                My saying is: Fool me twice I dot your eye. Bet you don't try and fool me again.!@#$%^&*(

                                • 2 votes
                                #7.43 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
                                BB-375952

                                Obama is a Politician, don't believe everything he says. Do you think he is the Messiah?  It is so frightening that he has  a lot of people thinking he cares about them, but he has only one goal in mind, and that is to influence votes.

                                  #7.44 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
                                  Mrs Brady

                                  I can see why you would think that BB your not use to someone who is not unethical .

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #7.45 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
                                  BB-375952

                                  corporateties

                                  Why don't you blame the people heading up Freddie Mac, and Fannie Mae.  People like Raines who leaves the company taking MILLIONS of dollars with him and ordinary people are losing their homes while he is improving his golf score.  Sickening isn't it.

                                   Dear OLE BARNEY lying and saying the companies are doing good, nothing wrong with them. 

                                  McCain is on record warning Congress about the financial situation with FM and FM.

                                  Yeh, let.s trust a Democratic President in a Congress with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

                                    #7.46 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                                    Mrs Brady

                                    McCain campaign manager Rick Davis of continuing to receive financial benefits from Fannie and Freddie up until last month.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.47 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
                                    ohiogal-479871

                                    BB do you think it's smart to keep BORROWING money from China?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.48 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
                                    corperateties

                                    BB?

                                    Who was in control of the united states while freddie and frannie were doing their thing.

                                    Yep you guessed it. w JR.!

                                    Pelosi and Ried are better then Cheney and wJR. any day!

                                    It doesn't matter what you say! You heard it here first. You betcha **wink **sink**

                                    And yes.I meant sink. roflmfao!

                                    splains it all.

                                    or I should say spalin's it all.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.49 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
                                    BB-375952

                                    No.

                                    Do you buy TV's or anything made in China?

                                      #7.50 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
                                      corperateties

                                      Actually that is interesting that you say this. I try to flip over everything I buy. I'm constantly being 'looked at' funny by the security. I'm always taking out the product from packaging right there in the store.

                                      why you might ask.

                                      TO CHECK IF IT'S MADE IN CHINA.

                                      I have been tossed out of those technology bizarres because I refused to go along with the guys selling thier crap from china.

                                      I like you for standing your ground BB.

                                      I would love to agree to disagree. Instead of argue back and forth. I admire that you have a back bone. here here. I ddrink to that bud.....or bud'et.

                                      Reminds me of Alice In Chains song "Rooster."

                                      "You know he ain't gawna die."

                                      You cannot have my bud light though.

                                      :)>

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #7.51 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:32 PM EDT
                                      ohiogal-479871

                                      actually I do! I'm getting used to it, because while you repubs are worried about Obama being a socialist, Prez bush has been selling our economy to the commies! LOL!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #7.52 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
                                      F-3

                                      Can you trust Obama to know what he is saying, much less what he is going to do IF he is elected President.

                                      I know for a fact that Mr McCain wants to cut taxes for the very rich. Whether or not you agree, I find that to be abhorrent. Trickle down economics does not work, that's been proven over the last 28 years. Rich people do not need to get richer.

                                        #7.53 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
                                        BB-375952

                                        F-3

                                        a lot of small business owner make 120k or 150k and more and they give people jobs and they are already taxed up to their yang-yang and I don't see any sense in more taxing for them.

                                          #7.54 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
                                          BB-375952

                                          corperateties-

                                          Thanks for your posting it was a pleasure to read.  I too had rather agree to disagree than argue.

                                          Thanks,  and about the Bud, I would join you with a Miller. :-)

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #7.55 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
                                          F-3

                                           lot of small business owner make 120k or 150k 

                                          So under Mr Obama's tax plan, their taxes would be LOWER. Exactly the point. At a 3% rise in taxes on someone making over 250k per year, that means a $750 tax increase. I make less that 100k and I could afford $750 if I thought the cause was good. Anybody making over 250k who's gonna whine about 750 measly dollars is a greedy little (insert your own adjective)

                                            #7.56 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 1:53 PM EST
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                                            estela2008

                                            if you were faced with the prospects of those two representing your government for another 4-8 yrs, you'd be gloomy too.  Heads I win tails you lose. :--)

                                            • 3 votes
                                            Reply#9 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:01 AM EDT
                                            More Cow BellDeleted
                                            corperateties

                                            No estela.......heads and tails............the republicans loose for a CHANGE!

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #9.2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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                                            obaman

                                            Please VOTE and take your neighbors with you!!!  It ain't over 'till it's over..the Pubs get reeeeally tricky at the end.

                                            • 10 votes
                                            Reply#10 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:12 AM EDT
                                            jbird

                                            My mother in law may not vote and that's a wonderful thing! She met the definition of insanity. Voted for Bush twice expecting a different result, second term. Now she has "buyer's remorse", and says that as a result she would like to vote Democrat this time as a still registered Repug. I have a feeling all she would do is get to the booth, con herself in to believing that McCain is some how different from Bush, and then vote for HIM and her beloved party, like a bad habit! Luckily though she still works full time, and hasnt seen fit to get to a booth even with early voting! Hasn't had time. So with each passing day it looks like she wont vote after all. Happy day!

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#11 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
                                            corperateties

                                            Heck, I've been thinking about changing my party affiliation from Dem. to Rep. Just so I could vote Dem.!

                                            Yea...that's right!

                                            Do you think they can make up a poll or some statistics, about that,  that faux news could distort?

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #11.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
                                            Dennis C. LathamDeleted
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                                            bluecollarbytes

                                            Puleeze.....whatever happened to reporters reporting NEWS?

                                              Reply#12 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
                                              Phillyinthe310

                                              whatever happened to your seat on the wahhhhhhhmbhulance!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #12.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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                                              Professor Dr. S. CollymoreDeleted
                                              ThomasErickson

                                              So much for them negative attack ad's the McShame camp ran ! I voted for Obama the other day !

                                              • 5 votes
                                              Reply#14 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
                                              ThomasErickson

                                              McShame camp feeling McGlum ??? Take to joe the plumbers and go home then . It is over for the republicans time for CHANGE !!!

                                              • 5 votes
                                              Reply#15 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:54 AM EDT
                                              e.c.

                                              We've been gleeful for a pretty long time.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              Reply#16 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
                                              rto

                                              Pollster John Zogby: "Is McCain making a move? The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all. "Obama's lead among women declined, and it looks like it is occurring because McCain is solidifying the support of conservative women, which is something we saw last time McCain picked up in the polls. If McCain has a good day tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama's good day three days ago, and we could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now, hold on."

                                                Reply#17 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
                                                More Cow BellDeleted
                                                corperateties

                                                Easy now

                                                NASCAR is not that bad.

                                                There is a reason nascar turns "left" most of the time.........lol

                                                • 4 votes
                                                #17.2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
                                                More Cow BellDeleted
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                                                thisyearit'sobama

                                                I, too am happy! What I can't believe is how even core Reps could stay with this campaign which is so negative and fear-inducing! But I guess if you have no new ideas, you have to try to scare the voters to your side! Ummm, not gonna work this time!

                                                Gobama, Go!

                                                • 4 votes
                                                Reply#18 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
                                                estela2008

                                                obama supporters are happier because, generally speaking, they are happier people. They dont spend their lives looking for monsters under their bed, fearing that their homes or work places will be blown up by terrorists, dreading life everlasting in hell, or teaching their children that they were conceived in sin.  :--)

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#19 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
                                                GoldenGateMami_Susi

                                                Vote!

                                                Because a vote for McCain or not voting at all is just Palin stupid.

                                                • 5 votes
                                                Reply#20 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
                                                Phillyinthe310

                                                oh that made me laugh

                                                beverly H is trying her darn hardest to get a mccain win lmao

                                                hey beverly you live in california!!! you do know they predict a 20 point obama landslide out here right??? looks like your votes gonna dissapear!!

                                                poof!!  mccain vote be gone

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #20.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
                                                GoldenGateMami_Susi

                                                ....That's because, despite, the ass that appeared with McCain in Ohio yesterday, California ROCKS!

                                                :) Glad it made you laugh!

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #20.2 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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                                                David-365296

                                                Wow, these polls are actually trying to swing the vote, I already voted and it was for McCain because he can get it done, simple as that.  However, could be a tight one with all that Democratic fundraising, 23,500 dollar a plate dinners...this..this mind you when Americans are losing there homes, personally I think it's unbecoming at best.  I would have rather seen 30 million spent helping Americans keep there homes instead of going to all the grossly overused advertising for the slick talking attorney that is Barack.  Anywho, will actually know who wins on the 4th despite these polls. 

                                                  Reply#21 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
                                                  Phillyinthe310

                                                  gimmie a @!$%#ing break

                                                  your beef is with the traditional fundraiser dinner??  the money is not for the food....its to raise funds while getting to meet and dine with the candidate....this has gone on with every politician since the dawn of time....even your girl palin charged 3,000$ an autograph in silicon valley 2 months ago....too much money???

                                                  im gonna make sure your completely demoralized after nov 4th...your vote means nothing

                                                  good luck...fellow american *cough* bs *cough*

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #21.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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