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Religion today

Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:06 PM EST
us-news, today, religion, rel, mormons, backlash
Eric Gorski, AP Education Writer
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<p>This Nov 6. 2008 file photo shows a police helicopter circling  overhear, a woman who identified herself as Mama Joi shouts to the crowd as Robert Oliver waves the multicolored GLBT flag from atop a wall outside the Los Angeles Mormon Temple, background, as hundreds demonstrated against the Mormon Church's support of Proposition 8, that opposed gay marriage, in the Westwood district of Los Angeles. Supporters of gay marriage, frustrated over a ballot-box defeat in California, have channeled much of their anger toward the towering white spires of Mormon temples.  (AP Photo/Reed Saxon,File)</p>

This Nov 6. 2008 file photo shows a police helicopter circling overhear, a woman who identified herself as Mama Joi shouts to the crowd as Robert Oliver waves the multicolored GLBT flag from atop a wall outside the Los Angeles Mormon Temple, background, as hundreds demonstrated against the Mormon Church's support of Proposition 8, that opposed gay marriage, in the Westwood district of Los Angeles. Supporters of gay marriage, frustrated over a ballot-box defeat in California, have channeled much of their anger toward the towering white spires of Mormon temples. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon,File)

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— Supporters of gay marriage, frustrated over a ballot-box defeat in California, have channeled much of their anger toward the towering white spires of Mormon temples.

For months, the Mormon church sought to portray itself as just one member of a coalition of Catholics, evangelicals, black Protestants and others supporting Proposition 8, a measure to stop gay marriage in California.

Some opponents of the measure sought to dispel that in the campaign's final weeks, pointing to extensive Mormon organizing and the staggering amount of money donated by individual Mormons at the behest of church leaders in Salt Lake City.

Since the measure's passage last week, media outlets reported chants of "Mormon scum" and slurs against church founder Joseph Smith at a demonstration outside a Los Angeles-area temple, and a church meeting-house was vandalized. More Mormon-specific protests are in the works.

The backlash against Mormons has ignited a debate over whether the church deserves to be singled out for what opponents believe was a dishonest campaign or is an easy political target as a minority religion that has taken plenty of lumps.

"I think it is a purely tactical reaction from those who are supporting gay marriage because if it can be made to appear the opposition is essentially one religion that is, frankly, an often misunderstood religion, it's easier to make the case that the other side is reasonable," said Michael Otterson, spokesman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or the Mormon church.

Proposition 8 opponents denounced vandalism and violence, and some have spoken out against anti-Mormon rhetoric. But they also say Mormon money funded irresponsible ads, like one suggesting young children would be required to learn about homosexuality in schools.

"I don't think the Mormon church stepped outside the boundaries available to any faith community that wants to get organized on values they hold dear," said Lindi Ramsden, a Unitarian minister who organized interfaith opposition to the measure. "The part that saddens me is that money donated by people of faith was used to finance advertising that is as close to blatant lies as you can get."

Even so, Ramsden sent an e-mail to allies this week warning against making scapegoats of any one group, including Mormons and blacks, who also strongly backed the measure.

The Mormon church's Proposition 8 efforts represent its strongest push into politics since it opposed the Equal Right Amendment in the 1970s.

The church believes traditional marriage is best for society. Heterosexual marriage is also central to Mormon theology; Mormons believe their marriages are keys to eternal life.

In June, the LDS First Presidency, its highest governing body, announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read at every congregation. Members were asked to donate their "means and time" to the effort to undo a May court decision that legalized gay marriage in California and opened the door for 18,000 same-gender couples to wed in the past four months.

One factor in Mormons becoming an opposition target was Mormonsfor8.com, a Web site founded by Nadine Hansen, a 61-year-old semiretired lawyer from Cedar City, Utah.

Because the church itself did not donate money to the campaign, Hansen sought to identify Mormon donors of $1,000 or more, matching campaign records to tips from site visitors and church members and what she and others uncovered with search engines.

The site attributes $15 million in donations to Mormons, or nearly half the Yes on 8 war chest in a state where Mormons make up 2 percent of the population.

Originally, the site named Mormon givers, but Hansen said she changed it to include only first names and last-name initials over concerns Mormons would be hate-crime targets.

"For months, these sacred houses of worship were the precinct offices, members were called to be campaign workers and ward lists were turned into voter rosters," Hansen said. "Basically, if the church wants to know why Mormon sacred places are targeted, look in the mirror."

Hansen said she is a Mormon but does not attend church. Otterson, the church spokesman, said the church recognizes freedom to demonstrate, but hopes it is in "good taste and respectful."

Some gay marriage backers in California began taking a sharper tone against Mormons in October. The liberal group Courage Campaign organized an online petition asking LDS Church President Thomas Monson to stop bearing false witness, among other things.

On Election Night, the group aired a controversial ad that depicted Mormon missionaries ransacking a lesbian couple's house and destroying their marriage certificate.

"All it did was dramatize what the church wanted to do and in fact did do," said Rick Jacobs, chairman of the Courage Campaign. He said religious bigotry was not at work.

"There is no place in America for anything but an embrace — not just tolerance — of people's religious beliefs," Jacobs said. "Equally, I would say great caution should be exercised when people try to restrict people's rights."

Dale Carpenter, a University of Minnesota law professor who opposed Proposition 8, said singling out the Mormon church is wrong. He called it "selective indignation," and said some Mormons publicly opposed the measure and others backed it for deeply held beliefs, not bigotry.

"It's especially inappropriate to target the physical buildings — the places of worship themselves — because that invites the kind of religious intolerance we have suffered too much of in the history of this country," Carpenter said.

Roman Catholic Bishop William Weigand of Sacramento also defended Mormons, calling the backlash "serious religious bigotry."

Gay-marriage backers "look at this whole thing as a discrimination issue. And they're giving the same, in a sense, to Mormons and other religious people," Weigand said in an interview.

Protests also have been staged at a Catholic cathedral and an Orange County megachurch led by pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren, who endorsed Proposition 8.

But if anything, gay-rights activists are intensifying their focus on the Mormon church. Building on protests at LDS temples in California and Salt Lake City in the past week, they went on to plan a demonstration Wednesday night at the church's temple in Manhattan.

Gay rights activists have proposed tourism boycotts in Utah and challenges to the church's tax exempt status. For every $5 the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center raises to fight the gay-marriage ban, the group promises to send a postcard to Monson, the church president.

"They weren't the only conservative sort of extremist anti-gay religious group that got involved in the campaign," said Lorri L. Jean, the center's chief executive officer. "But nobody did what they did."

Some Mormon scholars believe more is at work than anger against Mormons flexing financial and organizational muscle. Armand Mauss, a retired Washington State University sociologist, said the campaign laid bare a "latent anti-Mormon undercurrent."

Anti-Mormon rhetoric is politically safe because Mormons remain a relatively small minority and "have never been completely assimilated as 'normal Americans' to completely live down the image of 'weirdness' inherited from the 19th century," Mauss said in an e-mail.

The evangelical mantra that Mormons aren't Christian — as well as this year's raid in Texas of a polygamist sect, a group not always distinguished from mainstream Mormonism — feeds into that, he said.

Richard Davis, a political science professor at church-owned Brigham Young University, said intolerance of Mormons extends from the secular left to the religious right. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Mormonism was attacked by some evangelicals — Mormon allies on Proposition 8.

"That's where the LDS church is right now," Davis said, "despite years of efforts to improve the image of the church."

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Rigbee Dugane

For months, these sacred houses of worship were the precinct offices...

Not true. Members were repeatedly told not to use the church buildings for Coalition meetings. They were not used for Get Out The Vote drives. They were not used for making phone calls.

Of course, that didn't prevent cars in the church parking lots from being vandalized, but I guess intolerance to promote tolerance is acceptable to some.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:39 PM EST
fadeplayer

One might think that the LDS would have learned something about intolerance when their followers, all of them, were forced to relocate to Salt Lake.  Driven across 3/4 of the united states, their leaded murdered in jail (disputed), they found a new Zion.  This new home would allow the Mormon chruch to flourish and grow into its own perverse, bigoted, sideshow.

    Reply#2 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:40 PM EST
    Rigbee Dugane

    Not everything should be tolerated. Your remarks about the Mormons indicate that you agree.

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:52 PM EST
    fadeplayer

    I can see where you would draw that conclusion. I'l try again.

    By all means Mormons should be tolerated.  I over the years have not only tolerated Mormons, but befriended many as well.  I don't think that the churches political decisions reflect the views of many in the church.  I also will not ignore the progress that the Mormon church has made.  Much like the United States' own history, the Mormon church has been bigoted, racist, and "maritally challeneged" *wink *wink; they are now moving past that, much as we are as a country.  

    I believe that this recent stance shows that the Mormon chruch is behind the curve of inevitability, and is signaling intent to pursue regressive social policies.  Pursuing the same divisive politics that drove the Mormon church from the midwest.

    As for the cars getting vandalized, I can't support that.  I do however wonder if the owners of those cars would rather have their cars "keyed," or be told that they can't marry who they choose?

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:29 PM EST
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    truthtrekkers

    I am not a Mormon I am a Bible Beleiving Christian and I voted yes on 8. Most of my closest freinds voted yes on 8 and of them only 1 is a Mormon. For those who want a fight in the Gay community you should bring it to all our doorsteps if not then I am going to see if the Mormon Church will let our congregation hold service in their parking lot right next to the picketing opponenets to 8. I do not beleive in the Mormon Doctrine but i refuse to let this propoganda leave them alone to fight this battle when my voice is one of the ones they are proclaiming to fight. I am not speaking to the entire gay community because I know many gays that I care about very much that are dealing with this issue in a sivalized manner.

    To the haters of the Mormon Church I have news for you. Your hate is going to have to grow to a much larger scale than you know. If you do not want to cross the battle lines like cowards than I am going to insist on crossing over into the Mormon battle lines. You all hated Dr. Dobson before this but now it is just Mormons this and Mormons that. They were not alone and you will not have to look far for their acomplices.

    Great article by the way very objective. This last statement is completley sincere. The article even points out the political strategy for a move like this.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:54 PM EST
    truthtrekkers

    You know as a black man I resent the idea of equating this kind of equality to racial equality. I cannot remove the color from my skin nor can a parapalegic walk. We can not be presented as anything other than what we are but a gay person can certianly pretend to be straight. They did it for many years. Have you ever heard of a closet minority?

    I do beleive that people are given to certain genetic dispositions but in the realm of being born gay I cannot support. I have seen too many gay people choose to be straight even to have intimate relationships with girls. I beleive that it is a choice to either participate as a homosexual or not to. I also beleive like anything else that gay people have just as much ability as straight to hold their thoughts captive.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:12 PM EST
    fadeplayer

    The Mormon church made itself a political player on this one; they have to endure the ramifications of their actions.  You can't push and not expect to get pushed back.  They could have kept their money in Utah and not meddled in the lives of citizens in another state.  Had they chosen that option then citizens of California would not be meddling with them.

      #4.1 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:27 PM EST
      truthtrekkers

      From my understanding it was not the Church but its members that made the contrabutions.

      • 3 votes
      #4.2 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:10 PM EST
      rhino39

      Truth; as Ia life long Mormon I am proud to stand beside you in protecting the sanctity of marriage. 

      Fade; you seem to be laboring under the delusions that Mormons are some how sorry to have stirred up a hornets nest.  I assure you we are not.  Though I can not speak for the entire church, as a Mormon I am proud to stand up for what I believe to be right and am more than willing to withstand whatever arrows you think you can throw. 

      For all those that feel offended or hurt by the passing of Prop 8 I am sorry.  It is not my desire to hurt or offend anyone but unfortunately there will always be those who will take offense to what is right.  Even Jesus himself said that he would be a rock of offense and a stumbling block.  

      I am grateful that alongside so many other people of faith we were able to show this country that there is still a moral majority and that you can still stand up according to the dictates of your faith.  Even if your faith is no longer politically correct. 

      • 1 vote
      #4.3 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:34 PM EST
      fadeplayer

      rhino39, I would like to point out that the gay community of California is:

      proud to stand up for what [they] believe to be right and [are] more than willing to withstand whatever arrows you think you can throw. 

      I am not gay, nor am I in California . . . Nonetheless, gay people getting married and sharing the same rights that this country "allows" Mormons to have, seems only fair.

      • 1 vote
      #4.4 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:01 AM EST
      rhino39

      Gay people already have all the same rights straight people do.  They are free to marry any member of the oposite sex they choose.   And yes of course, only one of them. 

      This is the will of the people and the law of the land.  Therefore we must follow it.  I realize that at some point in the future, just as in times past, that the law of the land may not be inline with my personal beliefs, and when that day comes again, I will obey the law. 

        #4.5 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:22 PM EST
        Cloak and Dagger

        You know, as a black man I find it utterly disappointing when black people fail to see the similitarities between "our" struggles of old and that which the gays are going through.  To argue that homosexuality is a choice is ridiculous.  Thinking of the matter from a strictly sexual, scientific, and logical mindset defeats any such idea.  Try, honestly try to control what you find sexually attractive or stimulating.  Or try controlling how your body reacts to the aforementioned stimuli.  You can't.  Now from a deeper perspective, that most people tend to overlook, think about it in concerns to love.  You can't control who you love, honestly.  I could pretend to be white, alienate myself from black people, but it wouldn't change the truth.  Just because you know many gay people who played straight, it doesn't change the fact that they were playing. 

        • 1 vote
        #4.6 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:50 PM EST
        truthtrekkers

        Cloak you are speaking of the cornerstone of Christianity. "Hold the mind captive." Christians like every other religion is about controling ones actions mind and feelings. There are those that have vowed to Celibucy and succeded through all struggle. I mean try telling a slave owner to go climb a tree and retaliate to death even though you know you will be tortured and wiped. Try telling a us soldier in Guantanamo Bay that you know nothing knowing that even a lie can releive you of torture and sexual harasment. Seems no one can be held accountable for their actions in this day and age. Arguments I have hear:

        1) I am a product of poor black education and raising. I can't help it if I am a criminal.

        2) I am free to have sex with whom ever when ever and I don not have to use contraceptives because it is my right over my body to have an abortion.

        3) I am gay and cannot control my sexual attraction because I am geneticaly indisposed.

        Be glad my thoughts are not on the same page. I am a black man and once had affiliations with Nazi orginizations. I was violent and wicked to the core. A drug user and alcoholoc. I would have at one time hurt most of the people supporting no on 8 and very capable of doing so but thanks be to Jesus for the sakes of the gay community I was saved and now have mercy. I desire no harm to come to the Gay community but it seems so unfortunate that they are now looking for trouble. They are attacking Christians across the nation and violently so. I hope they do not run into the old me because they will find themselves in a world of trouble. The new me would like to say to the Gay community to let this go and find another route to acheiveing their goals.

        • 3 votes
        #4.7 - Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:51 PM EST
        Cloak and Dagger

        I think you ignored what I said.  I'm not talking about controlling one's actions.  Just because someone is celibate doesn't mean they don't think, yearn, or lust.  Another thing that disturbs me is that you compare homosexuality to rebellion, while it is a great feat of the spirit to stand out against oppression.  The picture you're trying to paint is one of rampant sexual deviance.  Forget sexual attraction and focus on romantic interests.  Just as you love whatever woman you love and can't control that, the same is true for gay people.  And please don't speak of the Christian Faith when your statements betray it.  To say that you are a changed man, but you hope that the "old" you doesn't arise shows that you may not be controlled as you think.  Idle threats against people you don't know - yes, you truly are a pillar of morality.

          #4.8 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 1:53 PM EST
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          Rigbee Dugane

          They could have kept their money in Utah

          More out-of-state money went to the No on 8 campaign than the Yes on 8 campaign.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#5 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:00 AM EST
          Jarrod-317505

          It will be a wonderful day when all the churches are converted into condos and the new generation puts value in knowledge and education over superstition and hatred.

            Reply#6 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:10 AM EST
            playerpage

            It will be a wonderful day when all the churches are converted into condos and the new generation puts value in knowledge and education over superstition and hatred.

            I find it interesting that it is usually the people who don't attend church who say such things.  For instance, from the article:

            "For months, these sacred houses of worship were the precinct offices, members were called to be campaign workers and ward lists were turned into voter rosters," Hansen said. "Basically, if the church wants to know why Mormon sacred places are targeted, look in the mirror."

            The woman who made this statement, it should be pointed out, lived in another state--so she had no firsthand knowledge of any of this--and didn't even attend church in her own state.  (As a Californian I can tell you that none of her statements were true.  What was true is that people were ASKED to be workers.  Everything else happened somewhere else with other sources of info.)

            She sure has been the perpetrator of a lot of pain in people's lives with her website, though.  She is probably why several people who have been fired/are facing dismissal for their beliefs were outed.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#7 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:29 AM EST
            Kaiji

            What's happening to the Mormon Church is partially uncalled for, but also partly justified:

            "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

            A righteous method would have been setting a good example, but instead Mormons, like many other churches, fell victim to the seductions of power and are now reaping the consequences.

              Reply#8 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:18 PM EST
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