Gates, Rice defend US-Iraq security agreement

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The security agreement between U.S. and Iraq provides both the time and authority needed for American troops to train Iraqi forces and pursue terrorists, senior Bush administration officials said Wednesday.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice were explaining and defending the agreement in classified briefings to Congress, some members of which are skeptical of the agreement that lays out U.S. troop withdrawal timelines and gives Iraq limited legal jurisdiction over U.S. forces and military contractors who commit crimes.

The 21-page document was signed on Monday in Baghdad by U.S. and Iraqi officials after months of painstaking negotiations, but it still must be approved by the Iraqi parliament. Tempers ran high when debate began in the Iraqi parliament this week, including a clash between supporters and opponents on Wednesday.

Although the Bush administration contends congressional approval is not required on the U.S. side, the White House dispatched Gates and Rice to Capitol Hill to assuage lawmakers' concerns as the clock ticks down on the existing United Nations mandate for the troops' presence in Iraq. The U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

The agreement sets a June 30, 2009, deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from Iraqi cities and towns and a Dec. 31, 2011, deadline for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq, according to a copy obtained by the AP.

The pact generally calls for the U.S. to coordinate military operations with the Iraqis and aid the country in deterring any security threats, but it also says that "Iraqi land, sea, and air shall not be used as a launching or transit point for attacks against other countries."

Officials dismissed suggestions that the U.S. has retreated on its initial vehement opposition to withdrawal deadlines, insisting that any troop drawdown be based on security conditions. Instead, they said that change is due to improved security and better Iraqi forces.

"Their competence, their confidence has increased tremendously. And so, that's why we're able to work on a date," said White House press secretary Dana Perino. She added that the document was a negotiation and, "we asked for some things that we didn't get; they asked for some things that they didn't get. And we met them somewhere right in the middle."

At the Pentagon, spokesman Geoff Morrell echoed those comments.

"The security situation has improved so dramatically, and the Iraqi security forces have improved so dramatically that we are confident that, if things continue to trend as they have been, our services will not be needed in Iraq, come 2012," Morrell told reporters.

He said officials believe the agreement both respects Iraqi sovereignty and provides U.S. forces with the authority to continue to go after insurgents, while still giving the Iraqis the training and equipment they need to take over security of their own country.

The agreement also gives Iraq an element of legal jurisdiction over U.S. troops and military contractors who commit "grave premeditated felonies" while they are off-base and off-duty. A list of those crimes is to be compiled by a joint Iraqi-U.S. committee. The United States, however, would retain custody of such soldiers and also determine if they were on or off duty during any alleged crime.

Both Rice and Gates have said they would not be pushing the agreement if they did not fully support it, but members of Congress, including Rep. William Delahunt, D-Mass., are troubled by some provisions and said they have had little time to review the agreement.

"Here we are with the clock ticking, running out. There's been no input from Congress and the American people have been kept in the dark," said Delahunt, who was chairing a hearing on the issue Wednesday ahead of the testimony from Rice and Gates. "I still have serious reservations about this agreement."

Delahunt and others, notably House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton, D-Mo., have expressed concern about the "vague" nature of the agreement.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., said he has some concerns about the agreement, particularly on the provisions providing immunity for U.S. troops and authorizing US combat operations. He would not elaborate, citing classification concerns.

But South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham said he is not concerned about the provisions in the agreement that give the Iraqi government the right to prosecute U.S. troops for crimes committed when they are off duty and off base.

"We decide when someone's off duty, off base," he said.

The agreement calls for the United States to hand over a list of all detainees to the Iraqi government. The government will issue warrants for the prisoners it wants, with the remainder to be set free except under exceptional circumstances.

Graham said he had concerns about what will be done with all the roughly 16,000 prisoners, especially foreign fighters, that are currently in U.S. custody in Iraq, particularly given that Iraqi prisons are already over capacity.

"I don't know, you've got some really bad guys," Graham told reporters after leaving the briefing.

The agreement requires the U.S. to inform Iraq within 24 hours if it detains any new prisoners and be ready to hand them over. However, the Iraqi government may let U.S. forces continue holding them, Graham said.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee and Pamela Hess contributed to this report.

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"The security situation has improved so dramatically, and the Iraqi security forces have improved so dramatically that we are confident that, if things continue to trend as they have been, our services will not be needed in Iraq, come 2012," Morrell told reporters.

Rather amazing how everything has improved 'so dramatically' over the past few weeks to, accidentally, coincide with Bush leaving office! Mmmmm....I take it that Barack Obama coming in to do something about troop withdrawal anyway had no effect on this decision.

Of course not! Furthest thing from their minds.

(Lying toads!)

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Reply#1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:20 PM EST
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Ms Cyprah: 

A word of warning.  AP, when it does not like the response, except of course cheerleaders, for OBAMA'S imperial corrupt insiders, has a habit of manipulating different pictures, same story, to see if they can get the kind of response they want.  I caught on to this manipulation, by accident, and now search for similar stories, pictures.  Here is what I said in the exact similar picture, where there are 12 comments already,  tell me what you think.

Today on Democracy NOW, there was an examination of Obama's corrupt, imperial, "insiders", some of which were within the Bush criminal regime, some of which are Democratic NEOCONS, or Democratic Zionists, and some which are liberal warhawks like Biden and Hillary.

Obama used demagaugery, false populism, during the Primaries, just like Bush and Hitler used words like "democracy" or "socialism" to hide their corporate fascist policies and class Empires.   Still, during the phony corporate media debates, it was already clear that the class elites were filtering out anti war voices, promoting their imperial and class candidates, like Hillary and OBAMA over KUCINCIH or NADER, who were far better on social positions.

The corporate elites, including the corrupt corporate media, AP included, cheerled illegal wars, and their two corporate parties, and their class ideologies, were complicit in the fascism and police corruption of democracy, the Constitution, and their failure to uphold it by impeaching, prosecuting their war criminals.   All three branches of government have been complicit in this fascist rot, police state laws and now are once again promoting "Centrism" which is a code word for Corporate despotism, imperial agendas, in the same way "Experience" was code word to support the warmongers of Biden and Hillary who supported international law breaking and are war criminals themselves.

Obama has not followed through on his phony populism, instead has surrounded himself with the same NEOCONS, ZIONISTS, imperial liberal warhawks, who supported Bush's criminal policies.   The NEW YORK TIMES and that Zionist, warmongering cheerleader, Ignateus, is whispering into OBAMA'S EAR  to continue to corrupt his cabinet with pro war people.  Rham Emanuel was the first Zionist thuggish example, and the list got even worse.

The two party system, class thugs, warmongers, and phony "Bipartisanship" is another codeword for continuing class Empire, corporate crimes, bail outs and a system that has destroyed families through its militarism or through its slavery, unpaid labor, declining wages, and trickle down supply side Reagainsim and Clintonism that brought us the current Depression. 

The Corporate elites, and the corporate media are to blame for the failure of OBAMA'S presidency of CHANGE WE CANNOT BELIEVE IN.

For those interested in real facts, ideological connections and exposure of the betrayal by these rotten insiders, please click on this link below.   Gates is an imperial insider who should be fired along with all the anonymous NEOCONS, ZIONISTS, WARHAWKS, who are too afraid to show their ugly faces on the fascist imperial policies they are craftin.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/20/agents_of_change_or_hawks_clintonites

IN CASE YOU ARE CONFUSED WHERE THIS CAME FROM OR ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS MANIPULATION, I WILL INCLUDE THE SIMILAR LINK;

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/11/20/2133050-gates-seen-more-likely-to-stay-as-pentagon-chief

NOTICE THEY HAVE THE SAME PICTURE AND STORY.;..   PRETTY CLEVER AND MANIPULATIVE OF AP CORPORATE NEWS.

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Reply#2 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:13 PM EST
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I should have said similar pictures in this case with different story, but there were other examples, where similar stories were posted with only one or two different words.

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#2.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:26 PM EST
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I can't believe the secrecy of the Bush administration, refusing to even release the text of the treaty to the public.

Full Text of Secret Iraq Withdrawal Agreement here>>

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Reply#3 - Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:15 PM EST
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