Al-Qaida No. 2 insults Obama with racial epithet

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CAIRO — Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader used a racial epithet to insult Barack Obama in a message posted Wednesday, describing the president-elect in demeaning terms that imply he does the bidding of whites. The message appeared chiefly aimed at persuading Muslims and Arabs that Obama does not represent a change in U.S. policies.

Ayman al-Zawahri said in the message, which appeared on militant Web sites, that Obama is "the direct opposite of honorable black Americans" like Malcolm X, the 1960s African-American rights leader.

In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect — along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice — "house Negroes."

Speaking in Arabic, al-Zawahri uses the term "abeed al-beit," which literally translates as "house slaves." But al-Qaida supplied English subtitles of his speech that included the translation as "house Negroes."

The message also includes old footage of speeches by Malcolm X in which he explains the term, saying black slaves who worked in their white masters' house were more servile than those who worked in the fields. Malcolm X used the term to criticize black leaders he accused of not standing up to whites.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the latest message was just "more despicable comments from a terrorist."

The 11-minute 23-second video features the audio message by al-Zawahri, who appears only in a still image, along with other images, including one of Obama wearing a Jewish skullcap as he meets with Jewish leaders. In his speech, al-Zawahri refers to a Nov. 5 U.S. airstrike attack in Afghanistan, meaning the video was made after that date.

Al-Zawahri said Obama's election has not changed American policies he said are aimed at oppressing Muslims and others.

"America has put on a new face, but its heart full of hate, mind drowning in greed, and spirit which spreads evil, murder, repression and despotism continue to be the same as always," the deputy of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden said.

He said Obama's plan to shift troops to Afghanistan is doomed to failure, because Afghans will resist.

"Be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them," he said.

Al-Zawahri did not threaten specific attacks, but warned Obama that he was "facing a Jihadi (holy war) awakening and renaissance which is shaking the pillars of the entire Islamic world; and this is the fact which you and your government and country refuse to recognize and pretend not to see."

He said Obama's victory showed Americans acknowledged that President George W. Bush's policies were a failure and that the result was an "admission of defeat in Iraq."

But Obama's professions of support for Israel during the election campaign "confirmed to the Ummah (Islamic world) that you have chosen a stance of hostility to Islam and Muslims," al-Zawahri said.

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{"commentId":4128641,"authorDomain":"testerling"}

Well he has a point. Yet most elected to the post are such people regardless of race.

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  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:11 PM EST
{"commentId":4129404,"authorDomain":"ulicnyp001"}

This guy, Zawahri, seems determined to unite America behind Obama.  I didn't vote for Obama, nor care much for him, but having some foreign putz like Zawahri criticize him is unacceptable. 

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  • 14 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:01 PM EST
{"commentId":4130398,"authorDomain":"tyroanee"}

George~

Americans are criticizing our President Elect Every MINUTE and it is UN-acceptable!

But because this foreign person Zawahri is doing it, well then it's a different standard?

To me this is whole mess behind all of the issues behind you not wanting a president like Obama.

I can hardly wait...not for just for Obama, but for ALL of us to come together in harmony and work out our differences they way we have been taught when we were children!

Do you remember? Look beyond why you didn't vote for him, and accept this man that is dedicating his life and his families to serve his country with honor and compassion.

Stand proud to Have a President that can unite the world.

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  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:19 PM EST
{"commentId":4130622,"authorDomain":"from-mr-x"}

"This guy, Zawahri, seems determined to unite America behind Obama.  I didn't vote for Obama, nor care much for him, but having some foreign putz like Zawahri criticize him is unacceptable."

Yup yet another endorsement for Obama!

When the village idiot says something good about you, people tend to not pay to much attention.

When the village idiot tells people you are an awful person, you simply gain notoriety and the support of intelligent people.

Thanks for the thumbs up Mr.al-Zawahri, I look forward to seeing your trial and hanging!

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  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:34 PM EST
{"commentId":4131236,"authorDomain":"djackson325"}

Michelle,

I agree, but unfortunately not all of us learned how to work things out in a civil manner as children and as Obama stated during the election "disagree without being disagreeable" or confrontational. Some individuals learned from their parents or law guardians the total opposite which apparently carried over into adulthood. People have to want or feel a need to change.  Whatever works best for them, they're going to do it, regardless of what anyone says.

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  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:18 PM EST
{"commentId":4132321,"authorDomain":"Weaver"}

Michelle,

So it's unacceptable to criticize our President elect and you can't wait until we all come together to work in harmony as we were taught to do as children?

I find it utterely amusing how libs all of a sudden want all of us to unite when all you did was blast Pres.Bush from the day he WON his first term.

Seems to me the liberal line use to be " It's patriotic to criticize the President "  LOL  Different tune now huh?

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  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:45 PM EST
{"commentId":4132463,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

Michelle, what makes Obama so wonderful? How will he unite the world? Will he speak and mesmerize all those folks? Wait until al Qaeda calls him an apostate. That will take a genuine Obama sermon on the mount to overcome, won't it?

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  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:56 PM EST
{"commentId":4133315,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

Bush's win was illegitimate. He has stripped away our civil liberties and gotten us involved in two wars. He earned his criticism. Obama hasn't done anything to piss anyone off yet.

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  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:09 PM EST
{"commentId":4133875,"authorDomain":"djackson325"}

Maxwell,

Bush's win was illegitimate. He has stripped away our civil liberties and gotten us involved in two wars. He earned his criticism. Obama hasn't done anything to piss anyone off yet.

Except a couple of things, Obama ran a wise campaign, won the election--democratic and general--and did this legitimately. So in this sense, he did do something to piss people off and is the reason they are still pissed of and full of criticism against him.

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  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:57 PM EST
{"commentId":4135574,"authorDomain":"tyroanee"}

Weaver-476013

Alright, I'll answer that one... but you must quit with the name calling, that is what got us here in this situation.  I am not a LIB, a RIGHTY or what ever you want to throw at me... I am simply a person that is standing by our president elect, one that can form a complete sentence.

And That one that has received countless congratulations around the world surrounded by PEACE>

You can just sit back and watch... Too bad, I thought American stood for so much more.

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  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:50 AM EST
{"commentId":4136700,"authorDomain":"djackson325"}

Michelle,

And That one that has received countless congratulations around the world surrounded by PEACE>

This is true and I suspect some time in far or near future our president-elect will receive the Nobel Peace Prize as many other leaders like himself earned. I sense the criticisms coming.

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  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:28 AM EST
{"commentId":4142988,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

"I find it utterely amusing how libs all of a sudden want all of us to unite when all you did was blast Pres.Bush from the day he WON his first term."

Actually, despite our anger about the very dubious legitimacy of Bush's "election," a great many of us were more than willing to give him a chance. And after 9-11, the entire nation rallied behind him. It's a natural reaction when the country is in danger: you support the leader you have, not the one you wish you had, to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, and you put partisanship aside. But the dust at Ground Zero hadn't settled before Bush's team was planning how to use that massive national consensus to benefit Republicans in the next midterm election. When Bush's poll numbers finally tanked after his disastrous display of incompetence during Hurricane Katrina, he thoroughly deserved all the criticism he brought on himself.

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#1.11 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:36 PM EST
{"commentId":4173653,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

". Obama hasn't done anything to piss anyone off yet."

Don't be so sure-- the  lunatic fringe has already begun their whining. (see collapsed comment #1.2):

"OBAMA is a jerk for surrounding himself with hakws, zionists, NEOCONS, the same damn criminals who were part of the NAZI crowd under Bush, what Colin Powell called the "crazies"

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  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:28 AM EST
{"commentId":4173845,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

They started whining the day they lost the election and haven't stopped since then. The man isn't in office yet. As far as his cabinet he needs people that have been in the game to get the ball rolling and he can fire them at will so whats the problem?

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    #1.13 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:05 AM EST
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    {"commentId":4128710,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

    anyoen doubt the GOP was very very very very very good for al quada
    heck they have the same spin machine goign on right now.
    Close your eyes and this could easily be hannity talking.

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    • 5 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:15 PM EST
    {"commentId":4129417,"authorDomain":"ulicnyp001"}

    Really ?  When did Hannity call Obama a "House Slave " ?

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    #2.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:02 PM EST
    {"commentId":4129543,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

    I don't know about Hannity, but Rush Limbaugh called him a "little black man-child," which is about as offensive and degrading as you can get without actually using the N-word.

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    #2.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:11 PM EST
    {"commentId":4131882,"authorDomain":"a-p-jarrett"}

    Rush Limbaugh called him a "little black man-child," which is about as offensive..... without actually using the N-word.

    Who the heck listens to Limbaugh?  How did he become The Voice of race relations?

    Did Limbaugh have an African-American wet nurse?  Did the nurse take him to home while his mom zoned out on prescription drugs?

    Limbaugh is equally as disruptive yet irrelevant as this other guy.  When will we pull the mic on these spotlight obsessed fringe personalities.

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    #2.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:09 PM EST
    {"commentId":4132364,"authorDomain":"Weaver"}

    Sure Joules,

    The GOP was very.... very......very good for Al quada. That's why they all were rooting for Bama to get elected

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    #2.4 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:48 PM EST
    {"commentId":4132736,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

    Rush Limbaugh called him a "little black man-child," which is about as offensive and degrading as you can get without actually using the N-word.

    Limbaugh was referring to Obama's lack of experience in real leadership positions, sort of like when French PM called Obama's ideas "immature".

     Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama's stand on Iran is "utterly immature," French President Nicolas Sarkozy told Israel

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    #2.5 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:20 PM EST
    {"commentId":4132802,"authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}

    Weaver-476013, Al Qaeda was rooting for Obama to get elected because they made the same mistake that the McCain/Palin Campaign & republicans made... = they thought Obama was a radical islamic terrorist.

    ...so now you know why the gop lost so big ... - It's because most Americans right now, have zero tolerance for idiots.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.6 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:25 PM EST
    {"commentId":4134337,"authorDomain":"djaymo"}

    I work with the public and the masses are too involved in their own stuff right now to even grasp how historic of a time we are in.  We have a mandate in the Senate and in the Executive branch, even the Media consult Obama on every thing Bush never wanted to bother with.  The people I work around are more concerned about CC Sabathia signing with the Yankees or Brett Favre's come back with the NY Jets. 

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    #2.7 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:49 PM EST
    {"commentId":4136684,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

    DeeJayMO: That's whay Guy Debord called The Spectacle, or Spectacular Society.

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      #2.8 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:25 AM EST
      {"commentId":4137504,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

      Al Qaeda was rooting for Obama to get elected because they made the same mistake that the McCain/Palin Campaign & republicans made... = they thought Obama was a radical islamic terrorist.

      Iran, Syria, HAMAS, Cuba, CAIR, Venezuela, Palestinians & ther PLO are all still rooting for Obama!

      He won't let them down!

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      #2.9 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:47 AM EST
      {"commentId":4143078,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

      Roxanne and Archon, where on earth do you get the idea that Al Qaeda was "rooting" for Obama? The leaders of Al Qaeda said in so many words that they wanted McCain to win. And don't try to claim that they were using reverse psychology, because they never intended the American public to hear those opinions, which were expressed in Arabic on a password-protected web site. Of course they wanted McCain, because they wanted to continue portraying Americans in their propaganda as wealthy white men who treated people of the third world, and Muslims in particular, with contempt and arrogance. Singing "Bomb, bomb Iran" fills that bill pretty well. Now that Americans have demonstrated that they can elect a man of color with a Kenyan name, Al Qaeda is lamely trying to claim that he's just a front for the white power structure. I suspect it won't fly.

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        #2.10 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:41 PM EST
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        {"commentId":4128744,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

        Is the reason you shifted pictures and repeated the story to avoid my earlier response:

        Don't trust the corporate news.  AP stories routinely cheerlead, fracture stories to come up with incomplete comparison, false comparisons that amount to crass opportunism, idelogical opportunism to promote their false imperial class policies. It falsely juxtaposes two sides in the hope most people accept their one sided choices.

        First off, neither the Taliban, Al Qaida, or American foreign policies have clean hands. The Mujahadeen, Islamic fighters under the Reagan administration held the same reactionary religious theocratic ideas then that they hold now, and were financed by the CIA, declared "freedom fighters" when they were fighting the secular, Soviet backed regime in Afghanistan.    Osama Bin Laden was Reagans's poster boy for freedo fighter.

        Once the Soviet Stalinist Empire collapsed, these same theocratic Islamic fighters and Osam Bin Laden thought that the American Empire would also pull out of Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden still flush with CIA money, demanded that the American imperial bases pull out of Saudi Arabia.    The PENTAGON naturally refused as they love bases and military occupations, aggressions, ask Iraq.....and then these same freedom fighters turned their fighting experience on to take on American class Empire.  

        If we had pulled out of Saudi Arabia, as we were eventually told to leave, by the Saudis themselves, 9/11 might not have happened.   Still the imperial American Empire is still intact, though imploding from its fascist foreign policies.  OVERNIGHT, these same freedom fighters became "terrorists" still flush with CIA money, some of the Taliban even visiting George Bush regarding oil pipelines, before the decision was made to invade IRAQ itself which had nothing to do with the attack.

        MORAL of the story....neither Al QAIDA nor American fascist foreign policies have clean hands.    IN FACT IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE THE MILLION IRAQIS DEAD VS THE 3000 Americans killed for our fascist foreign policies, the Taliban and AL QAIDA have less blood on their hands.     What is missing from this false comparison, is that now Afghanistan is in full tilt , revolt against Western colonial violence and occupation, that it is no longer about Al Qaida, as you don't fight terrorism through war, but through police channels.

        Now let us get to the point that AL Qaida is making, that OBAMA has the same corrupt imperial, fascist, zionist insiders, as Bush and Reagan.    They are correct to point out that OBAMA serves white Western colonial foreign imperialism, and that real change is a farce i.e. he is a 'toadie" for imperial thugs.

        I use the word that Ralph Nader uses, because you see to make the same point as NADER makes against OBAMA, does not make NADER a 'TERRORIST' like the fascist Bush grafts on to all its critics.   It is a false juxtaposition to choose between two reactionary military solutions that AP CORPORATE NEWS DOES DELIBERATELY, OPPORTUNISTICALLY, and thus this creates a lot of smoke and mirrors.

        These false choices are pushed by the corporate media to cheerlead fascist foriegn policies, because no one wants to be called a supporter of terrorism.   Nader correctly has OBAMA labeled....whether or not the Taliban, AL QAIDA agree or disagree.

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        Reply#3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:17 PM EST
        {"commentId":4129317,"authorDomain":"jpfoxy"}

        Eric Albert: You are obviously one of those extremists. That's a lot of words for a bunch of B.S. You said all of that and said absolutely nothing -- just a lot of propaganda.

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        • 5 votes
        #3.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:55 PM EST
        {"commentId":4129605,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

        Joe....and what did you say....????   You of course were too scared to deal with the particular issues let alone the ideological connections.   Miller wrote a seed on the evils of terminology, ideology, and this was my response.   It seems to be a rampant middle class disease here on NEWSVINE.

        "I have always said that Americans, especially its middle classes, have a long history of ignoring terminology, ideology, history, and therefore always deform social movements, social ideologies.   We saw just how stupid the McCain-Palin reactionaries were when they tried to pin both the label, Marxism and Muslim on Obama, the same way the fascists in Nazi Germany tried to label Jews as both Capitalist Bankers and Marxist.

        Middle class deformation of ideology is so pervasive, in America, labels and ideology are both ignored, yet thrown around like the Fascists of Corporate Americans themselves.  Using your logic the Military is socialist, the Public Police and Firemen are socialist when in fact they are social institutions in the service of class power and class regimes.

        I WOULD HARDLY CALL THE PENTAGON, "SOCIALIST", "MARXIST" but socialism for the rich or corporate socialism is in fact Hitlers corporate fascism.   The PENTAGON can be described as corporate fascists, but definitely not socialist."

        My point is that most people use words like "center", "neutral", "left center" or "right center" and could not come up with a reference point how they determined the center or let or right.    It is just claimed falsely or assumed as a dogma.     So JOE  define these for me and I WILL come back and redefine it for you to include the whole ideological terrain.

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        • 4 votes
        #3.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:15 PM EST
        {"commentId":4131656,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

        Um, dude... I don't like Eric's tone, but he's kind of right. It sucks when the truth doesn't line up with what we believe, but it's intellectually dishonest not to accept it when it happens.

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        • 2 votes
        #3.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:52 PM EST
        {"commentId":4131811,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

        Erik-- once again your comments remind me of that old saying: "its is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool...than to open it and remove all doubt"!

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        • 4 votes
        #3.4 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:04 PM EST
        {"commentId":4132564,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

        krishna:  It seems when the right wing neocons cannot define the social center, moral center and their class center has been roundly rejected, defeated, from trickle down supply side Reaganism, to imperial Empire Bushism,... you might want to reconsider who the fools are today.   YOUR WORLD OUTLOOK IS IN CRISIS, AND THE WORLD, AND AMERICA HAVE REJECTED ALL OF ITS DEFORMED ELEMENTS and so the right wing must always resort to emotional retorts instead of reason, morality and analytical science.

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        • 1 vote
        #3.5 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:03 PM EST
        {"commentId":4132690,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

        Krishna:  my changes were not saved.  Here was the second part of the comment and question.  Calvin and Newsvine suspended me for the use of the letter "k" in America to designate the corporate, imperial and proto fascist character of the American Empire, yet you keep deliberately mispelling my name, since it is up there clearly for all to see.

        Will Calvin apply the same standard to you?   We have had nothing but double standards when it came to NEOCON arguments or your personal attacks.

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        • 1 vote
        #3.6 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:15 PM EST
        {"commentId":4132771,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

        The Mujahadeen, Islamic fighters under the Reagan administration held the same reactionary religious theocratic ideas then that they hold now, and were financed by the CIA, declared "freedom fighters" when they were fighting the secular, Soviet backed regime in Afghanistan.    Osama Bin Laden was Reagans's poster boy for freedo fighter.

        Jimmy Carter is responsible for arming and training the Mujahadeen starting in 1978-2 years before Reagan came to office.

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        • 2 votes
        #3.7 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:23 PM EST
        {"commentId":4132896,"authorDomain":"cmassey"}

         Eric,

        I’m addressing your comparison between Nader and this spokes person for Al Qaeda.

        I’ll begin by saying I’m not “afraid to deal with the particular issues let alone the ideological connections” of which you speak. In fact, I agreed with you up until you made a comparison that is just not logical. So you think Ralph Nader saying Obama will either be an Uncle Sam to the American People, or an Uncle Tom to Corporations equates to House Negro? You lost me there. For the sake of the poor, I think it’s important to strengthen that middle class because if it falls there will be bigger problems for the poor and their numbers will increase. It’s very difficult to deal with the issues of the poor if the class that most supports them continues to crumble.

        As one who was once poor, living from pay check to pay check, trust me what is going on right now wouldn’t really affect the poor one way are another. Poor people know how to be poor, and as the saying go, you can’t miss what you’ve never had. Poor people don’t have money to invest in the stock market, to buy homes, new cars, and they don’t have credit cards because they can’t get them. Nader accuses Obama of not carrying about the poor, on what does he base that belief? What is happening right now is a crumbling of that class of people who are the primary supporters of the poor and those living in poverty. If the middle class doesn’t start to feel some relief, things can get much worse. There are many steps to climb when trying to reach your dreams, again I know because I’ve climbed them, and the crumbling of the middle class will only make those steps much wider and harder to climb for those who are poor. The middle class, not the rich and wealthy, pay the taxes into the social programs that sustain the poor.  

        AS I said, I basically agree with what you are saying but the comparison, no. Negro isn’t a racial slur, but, Uncle Tom is. Obama isn’t even in office yet so we don’t know what he’s going to do really. I do agree with his focus on the middle class, but I’m not for bailing out any more corporations. Nader talks about the poor, if the middle class has to keep paying taxes to bail out the rich, we are going to see many problems as the poor struggle to survive. The middle class is the class that really carries this country. They have to be heard and relief has to come for them.

        And, if ever there was an administration guilty of corporate socialism, and socialism for the rich and wealthy, it’s the one on its way out.  I disagree, I don't think Nader has labeled Obama correctly at all. Besides, I hate labels, it's to close to name calling if you ask me.

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          #3.8 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:33 PM EST
          {"commentId":4132995,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

          Carla DG:   you are running away from labels, terminology, and so you are not addressing the particulars....the issue of servility to corporate despotism.  See remark above...regarding middle class disease...i.e. "I hate labels"  Some labels are not about name calling, ONLY, but about name calling on concrete failures, and thereore are not offending remarks but analytical explanations of the deformations NADER is talking about regarding OBAMA'S corrupt class insiders, imperial insiders....CHANGE WE CANNOT BELIEVE IN.

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          • 1 vote
          #3.9 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:41 PM EST
          {"commentId":4143289,"authorDomain":"cmassey"}

          Umm I'm not a runner Eric. I read what you said and I'll stand by my view. Labels are never necessary particularly when there is no concrete evidence that they are even applicable. I voted and I want to give the new president a chance. Like I said, you had me until you made the comparison. I think Scott's comments below are more fitting regarding this thread.

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            #3.10 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:53 PM EST
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            {"commentId":4128780,"authorDomain":"QuestionEveryone"}

            I find it interesting that Al-Zawahri is preaching to the base.  Sound familiar.  If they don't think he is muslim why do so many people in the US think he is?  Maybe the far right and al-Qaida have things in common.  Vile, race baiting, violence promoting, self righteous and moralistic behavior.  Just happens to be the far right of both religions.

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            • 5 votes
            Reply#4 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:19 PM EST
            {"commentId":4131743,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

            The Neo-conservatives and Islamo-fascists hail from the same basic philosophy shared by Sayyid Qutb (the mentor of this guy, who mentored bin Laden), and Leo Strauss (whom inspired Kristol, Wolfowitz, Cheney, & Rumsfeld). They really are two branches of the same fascist tree.

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            #4.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:59 PM EST
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            {"commentId":4128810,"authorDomain":"meganrandall"}

            I am not really suprised at this news, such demagogic speeches aren't new and aren't soley limited to Al-Qaeda. People feed off this, and if the last 8 years of our own history means anything, it works pretty well. I think it is best that the Obama administration keep a serious eye on such activity, but officially, I think it is wise to decline comment.

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            Reply#5 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:21 PM EST
            {"commentId":4128816,"authorDomain":"melcher4fam"}
            vatagalDeleted
            {"commentId":4128829,"authorDomain":"xuanwumon"}

            Maybe it's my optimism talking, but he actually does find some Americans honorable.  So there's a small hint of open-mindedness in there that, if the war ever ends, eventually even the hardcore extremists might be able to find peace with Westerners.

            Again, far fetched optimism *puts out anti-pitchfork shield*

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            • 3 votes
            Reply#7 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:22 PM EST
            {"commentId":4129736,"authorDomain":"melcher4fam"}
            vatagalDeleted
            {"commentId":4131792,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

            vatagal: You're violating the Code of Ethics. Please stop it.

            Vote for Perot: I see what you're saying; they may be extremists from a vastly different culture than ours, but they're still people with the propensity for some reason and intelligence. I don't necessarily think we'll ever be shiny happy people holding hands and @!$%#, but there could be a decrease in hostilities if the PTB don't continue screwing everything up.

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            • 1 vote
            #7.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:03 PM EST
            {"commentId":4142876,"authorDomain":"tyler"}

            7.1 deleted, useless name troll.

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              #7.3 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:29 PM EST
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              {"commentId":4128900,"authorDomain":"runsermania1"}

              i am waiting to see if he actually touches a bible on jan. 20

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                Reply#8 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:28 PM EST
                {"commentId":4128929,"authorDomain":"xuanwumon"}

                lol even if he does, you'd still find something else to criticize him with

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                • 5 votes
                #8.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:30 PM EST
                {"commentId":4130936,"authorDomain":"from-mr-x"}

                "i am waiting to see if he actually touches a bible on jan. 20"

                Then what will happen? Fire from the fingertips? Will he melt like the witch on the wizard of oz? Or will he faint or begin rolling around on the floor like a damned idiot?

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                • 1 vote
                #8.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:57 PM EST
                {"commentId":4131831,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

                Maybe his pet dragon will rise from the sea.

                I can't understand how people can buy into this garbage. He's a Christian. From what I can see, a better one than anyone spouting this bile.

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                • 2 votes
                #8.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:05 PM EST
                {"commentId":4140725,"authorDomain":"AgentK"}

                The bible state that the anti-christ will claim to be a christian and act good.  It says that he will have everyone fooled.  I'm not saying they're right I'm just saying thats why they kinda think it.  Plus this changes the course of our history, so of course it the end of days.  (FYI- I do believe in God)

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                  #8.4 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:31 PM EST
                  {"commentId":4140878,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

                  The Bible states all sorts of things. People interpret the same lines in countless ways. It's purely subjective.

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                    #8.5 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:39 PM EST
                    {"commentId":4143141,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

                    Agent K, I can't think of a better argument why George Bush is the Antichrist. If he hasn't provoked Armageddon yet, it hasn't been for want of trying. But if you claim to understand the Book of Revelation, you have more confidence in your interpretive abilities than the great majority of serious theologians.

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                    #8.6 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:44 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":4128952,"authorDomain":"ejcanavan"}

                    I wasn't sure how to even respond to this at first. I had to read it and translate it in my own mind before understanding what they are really saying. Then I got scared. Scared of what they are going to do to test Obama and our country. If we redirect troops to Afghanistan he claims they will be met with a bloody fate, which is exactly what we are seeing now in Iraq. Hearing stories such as this are frightening because these guys are serious, in a disturbing way. They mean what they say and don't care how we react because they are used to the Bush way of taking care of business.

                    As for the racial and religious comments, opinions are like a$$holes ... everyone has one. Too bad his has been stretched by Bin Laden.

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                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#9 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:32 PM EST
                    {"commentId":4131872,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

                    He was actually bin Laden's mentor; bin Laden is the money and charisma. This dude is the extremist of the two.

                    We could always try to back off of the wars; find a different plan than shooting until they stop shooting back. The fewer people we're pissing off, the fewer pissed off people we'll have trying to kill us. We're as guilty as the Taliban and al Qaeda; time we took some responsibility for our share and made the first move to cleaning up the mess.

                    {"commentId":4131872,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"mdespard"}
                      #9.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:09 PM EST
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                      {"commentId":4128999,"authorDomain":"rob-hale"}

                      The message appeared chiefly aimed at persuading Muslims and Arabs that Obama does not represent a change in U.S. policies.

                      I can go along with this. I predict that Mr. Obama will not significantly effect a change in our policy in Iraq.

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                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#10 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:34 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4129969,"authorDomain":"nullbull"}

                      The point is this:  If it is so obvious that Obama does not represent a change in US Politics, why does he have to release a statement saying so?  And why does he need to use racial epithets?

                      This is a defensive play by Zawahri.  But this time it's different.  He's playing IDEOLOGICAL defense, not military defense.  To his core audience, he has always had ample material to feed the flames of hatred for the US - bases in Saudi, bases in Iraq, dead civilians in Iraq, extortionist foreign policy for any country that is awash in oil, and an oil addiction the US showed NO SIGN of trying to curb.

                      All those things are changed.  The guy HAS to stand up and say everything's the same as it was before, otherwise, he is tacitly admitting defeat.  You don't die a martyr if your cause dies before you do.

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                      • 6 votes
                      #10.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:42 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4131723,"authorDomain":"udfoley"}

                      Very observant nullbull, well said. Extremists are people as well, and they have their doubts like everyone else. He's trying to curb a morale decline with Bush leaving office, and it isn't the first decline in morale the nutjobs have had to spin. This is a good sign for the American people, if we apply our pressure and push our advantages in the right directions this movement could degrade into continuous entropy. Bush was easy to hate, his own people and the people of his allies hated him. There was no isolation in hating Bush, Bush hate was just about as solid a conversation starter as the weather!

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                        #10.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:57 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4131910,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

                        He could always claim that they killed enough infidels to make the western devils elect a president that would send the troops running home in shame and ceasing their war on the Islamic people.

                        But just like the U.S. power elite, he needs the people pissed off and afraid; too preoccupied by a common enemy to notice the heavy thumb of oppression.

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                        #10.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:12 PM EST
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                        {"commentId":4129094,"authorDomain":"maxhousewell"}

                        Al-Qaida is No. 2 ? This dude has enough wrapped on his head to cover a full regiment, wonder how often sends it out for a wash. What's his secret on getting it so white ? Is it a easy dispenser take it where you go kind of thing ? That's also quit the thigh tickler he has going, bet he and the boy's have fun in the caves. What's that mess he has on his forehead, bumping into the headboard ? Them guy's... can't leave them alone for a minute...

                        Long and short, it's time to bring our soldiers home, let them have at it. If they want to shot one another let them have at it. If they become a further threat to America then bomb baby bomb.. if they want a Holy war then do and be done with it. They have a one set mind and it's not going to change.

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                          Reply#11 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:40 PM EST
                          {"commentId":4131930,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

                          If they want to shot one another let them have at it. If they become a further threat to the Islamic people then bomb baby bomb.. if they want a Holy war then do and be done with it. They have a one set mind and it's not going to change.

                          *ahem*

                          Cultural relativism is awesome.

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                          #11.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":4129130,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

                          Giggle. I love it! This is a classic matter-anti-matter collision, resulting in the total annihilation of both sides. Steve Schmidt, meet Zawahiri, and have a great time together, because you deserve eachother:

                          "Obama is a secret Muslim"/"Obama's victory is bad for Muslims!"

                          "Obama is Malcolm X's love child"/"Obama is no Malcolm X!"

                          "Obama is a scary radical who wants to destroy America"/"Obama is a 'house negro' who does what his American masters command."

                          My, he does seem to rile up narrow-minded religious extremists, doesn't he? I can't think of a better recommendation for an American President.

                          {"commentId":4129130,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"wood-s"}
                          • 6 votes
                          Reply#12 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:42 PM EST
                          {"commentId":4129283,"authorDomain":"nx-01"}

                          It just tells me that no matter who won the election....it doesn't matter.  All these people know is war...and regardless of what the US does or doesn't do, they will ALWAYS find something to justify continued bloodshed.  With them, it's always destructive, never productive.  And they call westerners infidels.  Please.  I look out my window and see a flourishing neighborhood....they look out theirs and see destruction and decay.  The thing they hate the most...and are most envious of - is our success.  We're not perfect, but we're one hell of alot better off then they are and they can't stand it.

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                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#13 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:53 PM EST
                          {"commentId":4129840,"authorDomain":"replytoj001"}

                          NO, NO, and NO.......

                          You forget; Obama unites....he can show the world we are able to overcome our differences and he can meet with those who hate America and make them see we have changed, we are different, we will now become the great nation we always could be......

                          Are you saying that there are some who still will not accept Obama or even still not accept America???

                          If you are, I am shocked.....

                          replytoj001

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                          #13.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:31 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":4129358,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

                          This is a response to an event that Andrew Sullivan wrote about and I expounded upon before Obama was even a serious candidate. Obama's face and name have re-branded America to the Muslim world like Reagan re-branded America as not the losers from Vietnam anymore. All these young Muslim males see a man with dark skin (similar to their's) with a name far more similar to their's than any Anglo-Saxon's and suddenly all their pre-conceived notions of America have been turned upside down. Prior to this, America was the Great Satan, heir to colonialist oppression and Americans were that most crucial thing to carrying on a war: a dehumanized "other."

                          Now they look at a black man whose own father was born in a place where Islam lives and they suddenly question the truth of all the negative things they have been told about America because the America they know would NEVER hand over the reins of power to someone that wasn't white. How can you attack a country where the precedent has been set that your grandchild could be that country's leader if you work hard?

                          Hence Zawahiri calling Obama an Uncle Tom, which is essentially what he's trying to communicate by calling Obama a house slave. He's trying to maintain that America is the same America they were fighting before Obama was president and Obama has no real power, he's just doing the bidding of the dehumanized "others" that al Qaeda has been trying to kill for over a decade.

                          Valiant effort, Z-man, but we're done trashing our own reputation and responding how you want. If anyone needed proof of al Qaeda's allegiance, here  it is: calling Obama a house slave is indicative that they don't appreciate him or the tack he's going to take against them... or the negative effect he is going to have on their recruitment. Why sacrifice your life to tear down a country when you could admire it, work toward it and have a chance for your line to produce a leader? The answer is you won't and that is what has al Qaeda sh*tting themselves.

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                          • 9 votes
                          Reply#14 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:58 PM EST
                          {"commentId":4132967,"authorDomain":"cmassey"}

                          Well said Scott

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                            #14.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:39 PM EST
                            {"commentId":4133607,"authorDomain":"ladyapr"}

                            Excellent thoughts Scott.  You are absolutely right.  Al Qaida must continue to find ways to demonize America and calling Obama an uncle Tom is the only way they know how right now.  I think we really freaked them out this election!  America's choice of a man with skin even darker than their own may make any young man on the fence in making a decision as to whether to "fight for the cause" or not rethink his position.  I'm always amazed though, at how these people are so familiar with American culture.  They know Americans better than a lot of Americans do.

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                              #14.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:35 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":4129448,"authorDomain":"kahlan-storm"}

                              I just wonder if comments like this are made in order to keep division and hate going on in this country.  I mean if we are divided as a country, how effective can we be.  I voted for Obama.  I hope that he does what he said he would.  However, even if i hadn't voted for him, it would be too late now.  So why all the hate?  He isn't even in the office yet.  Noone knows what he is going to do, so why not wait and see.  Why not agree to disagree and support our new President.  He just may be the best man for the job.  If he isn't, well in four years there will be someone else.  The President can't destroy this country, but the people can.  If we can't come together, we won't have to worry about anyone from the outside.

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                              Reply#15 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:05 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4129707,"authorDomain":"melcher4fam"}
                              vatagalDeleted
                              {"commentId":4129774,"authorDomain":"replytoj001"}

                              OMG......... you mean Obama is not the "friend" of the world????????

                              OMG........ you mean there are still people who hate America regardless of who is the president?????

                              OMG.... Do you think Obama will meet with Zawahiri.....without pre-conditions?????

                              OMG..... I just do not understand why Zawahiri would say these things.....

                              OMG.... What will we do if Obama is not respected by everyone?

                              OMG....how will Obama respond?  Will he invade the area where Bin laden and Zawahiri are?

                              I am just shocked someone would call Obama these names..........

                              replytoj001

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                              Reply#17 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:26 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4129814,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

                              However Obama responds, it will probably not be by singing about bombing, or by spouting pseudo-macho cowboy remarks like "bring 'em on" and "we're gonna smoke 'em out of their caves and we're gonna get 'em." That's going to make the job of demonizing him much more difficult than it was to demonize Bush.

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                              • 2 votes
                              #17.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:29 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4130191,"authorDomain":"gracchus"}

                              >>OMG......... you mean Obama is not the "friend" of the world????????

                              Obama is not a friend of the terrorists, and the terrorists know it.

                              >>OMG........ you mean there are still people who hate America regardless of who is the president?????

                              You bet. Just not as many as before. Some of the people re-thinking their attitude toward us are part of Zawahri's base. Why else would he be trying to spin things to make Obama look like just another Bush?

                              >>OMG.... Do you think Obama will meet with Zawahiri.....without pre-conditions?????

                              No.

                              >>OMG..... I just do not understand why Zawahiri would say these things.....

                              If you're being sarcastic, I'd like to know your theory. It's pretty clear to me that Obama's election is a threat to him and he's trying to convince the previously angry Muslims to not stop being angry.

                              >> OMG.... What will we do if Obama is not respected by everyone?

                              Even if we could turn all of the Muslims around, I doubt if we could ever get you on board, so I think it's pretty clear that he just won't ever be respected by everybody. That's the shakes.

                              >> OMG....how will Obama respond?  Will he invade the area where Bin laden and Zawahiri are?

                              That's his plan.

                              >> I am just shocked someone would call Obama these names..........

                              Really? And you've been reading Newsvine for how long?

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                              • 1 vote
                              #17.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:01 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4130402,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

                              replytoj:

                              In case you haven't noticed, Obama's style is no talk and all action. When we were at the rally and started booing he stopped a crowd of 27,000 and said "Don't boo, just vote." So when you ask what Obama is going to do, I suspect that he's not going to comment on being called an Uncle Tom and he's going to simply use our military to bear down on Z-Man and Bin Laden and kill them both. No talk, just action. Obama's their worst nightmare: he doesn't telegraph his threats to his mortal enemies, he just acts.

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                              #17.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:19 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":4129844,"authorDomain":"nullbull"}

                              In a strategic sense, I think this is a good sign.

                              First, Al-Zawahri is acting threatened.  He is having to play ideological defense.  He has a new target, and that target has effectively convinced the rest of the world that he means change in the US.  Change in the US, closure of Guantanamo, change of strategy in Iraq, etc. all signal the end of those US strategies that fed Al-Queda recruiting.  Zawahri knows this, and is forced to downplay what happened in the election here.  Many people have stopped, just for a moment, being purely angry at the US, and now more are looking to us once again for hope of change.  I'm not saying the anger is gone, but I am saying that Zawahri is acting desperate.

                              Second, the use of racial epithets is OUTSTANDING.  How many African Muslims will want to align themselves with a man who refers to blacks as "house negroes?"  Fewer than before, I think.  Also, this is another sign of desperation.  A calculating man in a position of strength isn't forced to resort to epithets to get his point across.  Zawahri is throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.  This is an act of desperation.

                              I'm not sanguine about the continuing threat, but I do take this latest tape as a net positive in the war against Al-Qaeda.

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                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#18 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:32 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4130038,"authorDomain":"HartlessBeest"}

                              Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of that SLUDGE should be banished from this entire continent.  Some far off island in the middle of the Pacific would serve well for these disgusting Creeps and it would render them harmless and clean up the air-waves at the same.    

                               

                              They represent a dangerous cult and are doing great harm to this country by preaching hate and inciting violence.  

                               

                               

                               

                               

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                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#19 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:48 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4132500,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

                              You appear dangerous, yourself. Stifle debate. Everyone in lockstep, right?

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                              • 2 votes
                              #19.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:58 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":4130103,"authorDomain":"jopocop"}

                              This terrorist is not living in a cave.  He has washed and laundered cloths.  He is using a barber somewhere to groom.  He is getting nice eyeglasses somewhere.  He is getting decent grub.  Teeth are being taken care of by a dentist.  No indication of being sick or ill.  He is getting hot showers and baths.  Not wearing a wrist watch, or rings.  Looks like others are giving him the time of day, or he is using a cell phone for the time of day, like a lot of us nowadays.

                              Weapon is clean not all dirty.  Wearing a microphone indicating that the recording equipment is more sophisticated that a portable video camera.  Seems like the recording system is plugged into an outlet.  Backdrop indicates a studio for the video.  Does not look like a wall, but a backdrop common in a photo studio.

                              Conclusion, this creep is living in a good size town in Pakistan, among all of his friends and supporters and Taliban, or he is living outside, near a good size town and made the auto trip into the studio.

                              Mostly, likely, he is moving day by day, rotating into different sleep quarters, knowing that he is targeted for a cruise missile down his throat.  

                              I would say that given all we know, many people know where he is located at any given time, as he is circulating among a good number of people.  

                              I would suspect Pakistan undercover agents know where he is located, and are being paid off to not snitch on him and his where abouts.  

                              We can nail this guy if we catch a break from some snitch.

                              I would say this guy maybe toast in the near future, because he is not living in a cave at 15,000 feet up.  

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                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#20 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:53 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4130186,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
                              Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                              {"commentId":4130429,"authorDomain":"rif242"}

                              It's been well documented that most upper level Taliban and Al-Qaeda operatives have their homes and families tucked away safely in Pakistan.  Most western journalists have little problems finding one of these guys to talk to.  It's nothing new. 

                              {"commentId":4130429,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"rif242"}
                              • 1 vote
                              #20.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:22 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4132217,"authorDomain":"khlawake"}

                              yes he is well taken care of by the CIA or Mosad Zioni​sts, Im sure Bin Laden is dead and a new boogie man is needed to scare the sheeple into more war to do Israel's dirty work.. MSM DID A GOOD JOB DEMONIZING ISLAM According to January 2000 U.S. Congressional testimony, al-Zawahiri was granted U.S. residence by the Immigration and Naturalization Service - something almost impossible for many legitimate immigrants to obtain..

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                                #20.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:37 PM EST
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                                {"commentId":4130276,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

                                 Well looks like the number 2 guy just took a #2 on himself. He has got to be running scared now. After all Obama does put a whole new face on America and he has stated that he would prefer to sit at the peace table over dropping bombs. This has got to be a smack in the face of Al-Qaida that wants the world to believe we only know how to kill. He even said it himself that a Holy War would be coming but he left out any chance for peace talks which was another big mistake on his part.

                                 I wonder if this idiot knows he just opened the door to having every Muslim Nation turn against him. People are tired of fighting. People want peace and to live there lives without fear of roadside bombs, being shot in the street, missiles dropped on there homes, or suicide bombers in the market. Times are changing and those that don't change with it will become the dust of yesterday.

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                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#21 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:09 PM EST
                                {"commentId":4130494,"authorDomain":"rif242"}

                                Obviously not EVERYONE is tired of fighting bud.  We just showed some weakness by having the Taliban straight up tell us they're not stopping. And they're obviously not afraid of continuing the fight.  Thats the problem I have with Leftist thinking of "Lets just sit down, have a little Chai and work things out."  THEY DONT WANT TO TALK THINGS OUT! They want to cut your head off, cover our women with a Burqa, and make your children bow down to Mecca 8 times a day. Talking to this scum is pointless. The only thing they understand is that if they die fighting they go to heaven and get a bunch of virgins.  Seriously, trying to talk sense to someone who believes that nonsense is like trying to talk sense to a whacked out liberal!

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                                #21.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:26 PM EST
                                {"commentId":4130694,"authorDomain":"sgreenway"}

                                Seriously, trying to talk sense to someone who believes that nonsense is like trying to talk sense to a whacked out liberal!

                                Actually, it's much more like telling a fundamentalist christian that their sky fairy who is constantly watching over everyone and anyone who messes up will burn forever is a  ridiculous idea.

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                                #21.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:40 PM EST
                                {"commentId":4130798,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

                                Exactly why I said he made a big mistake. Z-man just made sure that the few followers he has will become isolated targets in there own Country. If everyone but the radicals want peace and think they have a good chance at getting it then those that stand in the way wil find there on their own.

                                 I look at it kinda of like a neighborhood. If everyone on your block has been doing there yard work and maintaining there house if there is a house on the block going to weed the neighbors are gonna complain.

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                                #21.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:48 PM EST
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                                {"commentId":4130438,"authorDomain":"AgentK"}

                                This is all that Sarah Palin's fault.  She and her rallies.  Has anyone posted that yet?  I'm waiting for the Dem's to start.  Al Queda is just trying to steal the spotlight.  We just elected a new president, History has been made.  Let's ignore these guys.  Don't post this stuff, don't even put it on the tv.  That's what they want is to be everywhere!

                                {"commentId":4130438,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"AgentK"}
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                                Reply#22 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:22 PM EST
                                {"commentId":4131722,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

                                "House Negro", "Sell Out", "Uncle Tom" these are terms used by Americans Liberals to describe Bush appointees General Colin Powell & Dr Condi Rice... guess al Qaeda is getting its propaganda cues from Hollywood now!

                                {"commentId":4131722,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}
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                                Reply#23 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:57 PM EST
                                {"commentId":4131900,"authorDomain":"sgreenway"}

                                really now...?  care to provide a link backing that up?

                                {"commentId":4131900,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"sgreenway"}
                                  #23.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:11 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4131997,"authorDomain":"a-p-jarrett"}

                                  to describe Bush appointees General Colin Powell & Dr Condi Rice... guess al Qaeda is getting its propaganda cues from Hollywood now!

                                  This is indeed news.  Can/will you share your source?

                                  {"commentId":4131997,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"a-p-jarrett"}
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                                  #23.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:20 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4132650,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

                                  really now...?

                                  Really.

                                  In an interview on San Diego radio station KFMB-AM last Tuesday,Harry Belafonte compared Powell to a plantation slave who moves into the slave owner's house and says only things that will please his master.

                                  "There's an old saying," Belafonte said in that interview. "In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and there were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him."

                                  .... There's an old saying," Belafonte said. "In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him.

                                  "Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture."

                                  Belafonte said his views also apply to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, although, he said, he has never heard her step out of line with the administration's views.

                                  http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/10/15/belafonte.powell/

                                  Al Sharpton: "they are house negroes"

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdVjrBY5-F0

                                  According to House Negro Condi Rice,

                                  http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2004/08/very-model-of-modern-nation-state-man.html

                                  Simple Sambo wants to move to the big house

                                  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2185528

                                  Friday, May 02, 2008

                                  Amos Brown Calls Justice Clarence Thomas An "Uncle"

                                  Radio talk show host Amos Brown has by this point become infamous for his constant race-baiting. Like so many liberal Democratic African-American leaders, he excoriates any black who dares to be a Republican or think conservatively like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/05/amos-brown-calls-justice-clarence.html Jeremiah Wright- "Uncle" Clarence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EazOe4n8peM "Uncle Tom Michael Steele of Maryland" http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/tag/uncle-tom-michael-steele-of-maryland/

                                  There's plenty more just google.

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                                  #23.3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:10 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4132698,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

                                  Good for you for pointing this out. Some still refuse to accept the double standard.

                                  {"commentId":4132698,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
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                                  #23.4 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:15 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4133122,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

                                  Some still refuse to accept the double standard.

                                  That's because it's their standard!

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                                  #23.5 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:53 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4134161,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

                                  Yes, good for you! Point that out! Liberals and terrorists talk just alike! They must be one in the same! Bomb Hollywood and impeach the terrorist sympathizer from the White House before he even takes office even though the terrorists seem to despise him!

                                  Indulge yourself in these conservative fantasies ARCHON-PRIME and backroads... we Democrats and Obama will get busy doing what Bush didn't: killing these guys so they can't make any more mix tapes.

                                  {"commentId":4134161,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
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                                  #23.6 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:31 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4136726,"authorDomain":"mdespard"}

                                  I love seeing a bunch of white people talk about issues of race like they know what they're talking about.

                                  Wait a second, I really don't like it all that much. Kind of gives me a headache.

                                  It's not your place to tell the black community if they're being "racist" to each other. Focus on the racism of white people, and let black people focus on black people. Ever heard the phrase "It's a black thing, you wouldn't understand"? Well, it is, and most of us white folk can't. It's the way of things. Deal with it.

                                  {"commentId":4136726,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"mdespard"}
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                                  #23.7 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:31 AM EST
                                  {"commentId":4136760,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

                                  impeach the terrorist sympathizer from the White House before he even takes office even though the terrorists seem to despise him!

                                  Terrorists don't despise Obama they love him, he'll be their best friend since Bill Clinton!

                                  The others know Obama is weak.

                                  They'll await his Presidency the way bullies wait for little children to get their allowance so they can rob them at the candy store.

                                  Let us not forget the shining endorsements of Obama from the terrorists in the PLO, HAMAS, CAIR, Syria, Iran, and Cuba.

                                  ... we Democrats and Obama will get busy doing what Bush didn't: killing these guys so they can't make any more mix tapes

                                  That War on Terror Obama and the Democrats are against has resulted in of 100,000 captured or killed Islamo-terrorists in more than 10 countries.

                                  The Democrats have been against the GWoT since its inception.

                                  {"commentId":4136760,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}
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                                  #23.8 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:37 AM EST
                                  {"commentId":4145908,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

                                  ARCHON-PRIME:

                                  You may need to remove that "PRIME" from your name. Were the Democrats against the "GWoT" when they voted almost unanimously for the Patriot Act?

                                  Get back to me when you finish reading today's new edition of JihadWatch.

                                  {"commentId":4145908,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
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                                  #23.9 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:51 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4180944,"authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}

                                  Were the Democrats against the "GWoT" when they voted almost unanimously for the Patriot Act?

                                  They were for it before they were against it (a very Democrat position to take).

                                  Ever heard the phrase "It's a black thing, you wouldn't understand"?

                                  Yeah it's a pretty stupid racist statement.

                                  Think anyone would tolerate a phrase like "You're not white, you just won't get it"?

                                  Hell no.

                                  {"commentId":4180944,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"jfarchonis"}
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                                  #23.10 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:23 PM EST
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                                  {"commentId":4131970,"authorDomain":"a-p-jarrett"}

                                  So Dude had a multimedia presentation splicing and dicing sound, images, and news reel?  Really?  You're kidding right?  Somehow this just makes it seem that much more absurd.

                                  On the bright side I suppose President-Elect Barack Hussein Obama is earning his chops.  Did anyone actually think he'd get a free pass from America's enemies?  Next he'll be hanged in effigy. 

                                  Many things are different.  Many things are the same.

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                                  Reply#24 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:18 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4132064,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                                  He looks like he's saying NO SUCCESS FO' YOU! AND NO SOUP EITHER!

                                  But I digress, I guess the tape got lost in the mail.....this was the October surprise! But someone forgot to use FedEx.  Me thinks Al-Quaida is on defense big time.  All of a sudden the paradigmn has shifted.  The US can and did elect a black man with world-wide appeal and influence who is intelligence and who seems not phased by the subpar cage rattling.

                                  When you send in your 'second' that's never a good sign....unless of course,you're already dead but want to give the impression you're still eminence grise.

                                  {"commentId":4132064,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"susibv"}
                                    Reply#25 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:25 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":4132135,"authorDomain":"ytmnd"}

                                    Well, I didn't know what to think after 9/11 but now that I hear he used a racial epithet, he's clearly evil.

                                    {"commentId":4132135,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"ytmnd"}
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                                    Reply#26 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:31 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":4132544,"authorDomain":"Weaver"}

                                    Ytmnd,

                                    It took a racial epithet for you to realize these people are evil, 9-11 didn't convince you of that? Your a slow learner

                                    {"commentId":4132544,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"Weaver"}
                                    • 1 vote
                                    #26.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:02 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":4132712,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

                                    I'm betting ytmnd is laughing at you.

                                    {"commentId":4132712,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
                                    • 1 vote
                                    #26.2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:17 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":4147928,"authorDomain":"djackson325"}

                                    I bet he's laughing too, because I sure as heck am, LOL.

                                    {"commentId":4147928,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"djackson325"}
                                      #26.3 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:31 PM EST
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                                      {"commentId":4132281,"authorDomain":"moder8"}

                                      When a terrorist makes threats against our soldiers, our country and/or our president, it should only increase our governmental and military leaders'resolve to wipe them off the face of the planet. Terrorists are not to be appeased. They only understand military action, strength of character among our leaders and the overall conviction that whatever we do as a nation to eliminate terrorism will always be the correct action.

                                      {"commentId":4132281,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"moder8"}
                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#27 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:42 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":4132504,"authorDomain":"Weaver"}

                                      Well Moder8,

                                      We got the wrong guy for President to use military strength. Obama's response to al-Zawahri will be.........Lets talk, we can work this out.

                                      {"commentId":4132504,"threadId":"423502","contentId":"2128977","authorDomain":"Weaver"}
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                                      #27.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:59 PM EST
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