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Juror didn't feel defendant expected teen's death

Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:13 PM EST
us-news, internet, suicide, internet-suicide
Associated Press
Juror Shirley Hanley says the verdict sends a strong message about online behavior.
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<p>Lori Drew, left, and her daughter Sarah, arrive at federal court Monday, Nov. 24, 2008, in Los Angeles. U.S. District Court Judge George Wu on Monday put off a decision on a motion to dismiss the case against Lori Drew, accused of orchestrating the Internet hoax that targeted 13-year-old neighbor girl Megan Meier who later committed suicide. Wu says the trial of 49-year-old Drew will go forward. (AP Photo/Nick Ut)</p>

Lori Drew, left, and her daughter Sarah, arrive at federal court Monday, Nov. 24, 2008, in Los Angeles. U.S. District Court Judge George Wu on Monday put off a decision on a motion to dismiss the case against Lori Drew, accused of orchestrating the Internet hoax that targeted 13-year-old neighbor girl Megan Meier who later committed suicide. Wu says the trial of 49-year-old Drew will go forward. (AP Photo/Nick Ut)

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— The jury forewoman in the internet suicide trial said she didn't feel the defendant expected the teenage victim would harm herself after being subjected to an Internet hoax.

But the girl's mother said the defendant deserves whatever penalty she receives.

In a landmark cyberbullying trial, Lori Drew, 49, of O'Fallon, Mo., was convicted Wednesday in Los Angeles on misdemeanor federal charges of accessing computers without authorization.

Prosecutors said Drew and two others created a fictitious teenage boy on MySpace and sent flirtatious messages from him to neighbor Megan Meier, 13. The "boy" dumped Megan in 2006, telling her: "The world would be a better place without you."

Megan hanged herself.

The forewoman of the jury at Drew's trial told NBC's "Today" show, in an interview broadcast Monday, that she didn't believe Drew expected Megan to kill herself.

"I don't think she set out to — in any way, shape or form — have this girl commit suicide. No, I don't," forewoman Valentina Kunasz said on the NBC morning program. "But I think that in her knowledge of this girl having depression and suicidal tendencies, I think that she made poor judgment."

Megan's mother, Tina Meier, pointed out that Drew is an adult. "She knew what was going on," Meier said on "Today." "She allowed this to continue to happen."

She said she was disappointed that Drew was not found guilty of additional charges, "but that's something I can't dwell on."

"I don't know that justice will ever 100 percent be served," she said. "I can never bring Megan back, but my hope is through all of this ... it is about bringing justice."

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DonnaJ

What a tragedy.

    Reply#1 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:57 PM EST
    George-369262

    While the death of the girl is sad, the attempts of the Feds to criminalize internet speach are far more serious.   It matters not that the troubled girl hung herself after having a fight with her mother.   O'Brien is using this situation for his own ends.  

      #1.1 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:06 AM EST
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      JodieLee-630322

      These attorneys should have been more concerned about the psychological stability of grown woman, with what appears to be a teenager daughter of her own, who uses the internet for such deceptive games. Since the law has already been manipulated to get a conviction will the real laws prevail to have her parental rights terminated to protect the children in her care? Psychological abuse wasn't recognize as a form of abuse 7 years ago and while people tell me that my children and I aren't worth it all the time and the world would be a better a place without us or that we have ruined this ones life or that ones life, no attorneys have prevented that form of abuse on or off the net. Some state attorneys just want a quick fix or to manipulate the law to make serious problems like this "just go away". Then the next woman or man causes more of a problem or their children causes similar problems, the state attorneys shouldn't just throw a bandaid over a terminal issue.

        Reply#2 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:59 PM EST
        Colorado Bubbie

        I am glad she was convicted on at least one of the charges. She should be held accountable for her actions, personal responsibility is rare in this society.

        This girl was a fragile unstable teen. Known to lori drew as unstable.

        Yet she created a false persona, completely humiliated this unstable girl who then killed herself. she knew her in real life. this was a personal attack. she was targeted by this woman. SHAME ON HER!!

        And there should be some kind of investigation in the mental stability of her daughter. Her daughter knew about this and participated. Thats really scary.

        This was a trial by jury. Of her peers. I am grateful for their hard work on this case. It is precident setting.

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        Reply#3 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:36 PM EST
        barb5817

        The 49 year old needs to be mentally evaluated.  Her actions are certainly not the actions of a normal adult.  Sounds like she needs a one way trip to the booby hatch!

          Reply#4 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:47 PM EST
          Iwish-745135

          Everyone involved, including Lori Drew, will have to live with their actions; this is a lifetime sentence where there is no parole.  I would like to know what Lori Drew is thinking now.  How about her teenage daughter?  How about the babysitter?  I really feel for her daughter as she has not had the right guidance from her mother.  It is a shame when our children grow older and find such little issues to hold against their friends that turn into larger issues where they turn to this kind of behavior.  My hope is that all kids and teenagers and adults can think before they leap.  That we think how the other person feels before we attack them verbally.  On a separate note, I want to hear more about the relationship between Meagan and her mother.  I have a strong belief something bad was going on in Meagan's life before this and when the relationship with Josh turned bad, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.    

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          Reply#5 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:43 PM EST
          Iwish-745135

          I wish that kids and teenagers could be less destructive to each other.  However, for as long as I remember kids have been picking on other kids.  But when an adult, like Lori Drew, involves herself in such a destructive plan, knowing Meagan had psychological issues, she then should be held accountable for her actions.  I really feel for her daughter who obviously has not had the proper guidance at home.  With that said, I would like to hear more about the relationship Meagan and her mother  had; where some of the details have made the newspapers.  Can anyone post all the details of that relationship? I bet there is another story that may shed some light on what led up to Meagan's decision to take her life.  

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          Reply#6 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:51 PM EST
          Iwish-745135

          OOPS!  I thought the first comment didn't take....sorry for what appears to be a duplicate.

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          Reply#7 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:58 PM EST
          George-369262

          While I don't think that a Federal Grand Jury should have even indited this woman; recognizing this as the Federal gov't attempting to tighten it's grasp on it's citizens - at least this Federal jury was skeptical about the criminal charges.  

          As far as events leading up to Meagan's death:  she had a fight with her mom, went upstairs, and hung herself.  While her mom stood around and did nothing.    A fact that gets ignored in the posturing.

          The mom wants to find someone other than herself to blame,  the US Attorney wants to make legal history,  and Grills wanted to walk away without being charged herself.    Drew make a convenient "Bad Guy".     

          This ranks with the prosecution of Scooter Libby and  Ramos and Compean as a waste of the taxpayers money, imo.   

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          Reply#8 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:22 PM EST
          MC84

          Thank you!

          Someone else who believes that Megan's mom was also responsible. She did not check on her daughter after a heated argument and then choses to point the finger elsewhere.

          I'm surprised she didn't want to get MySpace indicted for allowing her daughter to have a page even when her daughter was not old enough to be on MySpace.

          Parents nowadays don't want to admit how much they pamper their children and that when they do something wrong it's because of their lack of proper guidance. If your child has a mental condition then why permit for them to have a page where predators can access them?

          Bad Parenting needs to stop! Kids now believe they are not responsible for ANY of their actions and society is to blame. Parents need to teach their kids to accept responsibility for their mistakes and if not our world's demise is emminent.

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          #8.1 - Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:35 AM EST
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          saltee

          A lot of people seem to be missing the real issue.  This is a 49 year old bully named Lori Drew.  Yes in this case the Fed's used uncoventional thinking to charge her.  And for her Attorney to argue that no one reads the fine print so she should not be found guilty is not only unconventional thinking it's stupid.  "Oh I'm sorry Citibank. I didn't read the fine print so I guess I don't have to pay back my credit card." 

          Anyway as I was saying, Lori Drew is a bully.  Everyone knows how it feels to be rejected by a loved one at some time or another however we usually don't kill ourselves over it.  Lonely teens are vulnerable and Lori Drew knew it.  Maybe her intent was not to kill the 13 year old Meier girl, however her actions were to cause her harm.  I saw an interview where she said the 13 year old got what she deserved, or had it coming or something to that effect.

          Think about it.  Drew sets up a romantic high for this 13 year old and then crushes her with a virtual loss.  And she planned it that way.  And why?  Because she might have heard that this 13 year old was saying "bad" things about her daughter.  What ever happened to parents giving proper guidance to their children.  Instead you have a 49 year old pig against a lonely 13 year old. 

          Lori Drew is a pathetic person, and belongs in a mental institution after she serves at least 3 years in jail.  If she wants to see what being bullied is like wait until she gets to prison.  One can only hope the judge gives her the max.  And now, because of Lori Drew being unable to control her nasty self, new state laws have to be created.  What ever happened to letting kids work out their own problems, with positive guidance from their parents if necessary.  It seems these days, parents as well as everyone else seems bent on revenge at all costs.  What ever happened to civility?

          As for me.  I have two great children.  One is a Senior in High School and the other is a Sophomore in College.  Both are honor students and are kind to people.  They have many respectable friends  Both excel at organized sports.  Especially hockey!  My wife and I took the time to take them to every single practice, game, school event. etc.  As a matter of fact I still love attending every game they play.  (No wonder I have no idea what is on TV these days.)  My children never seemed to have the time to just hang out and talk about other people.  It was so simple also and I loved every minute of it.  We as parents have to spend as much time with our children as possible even when they become young adults.  It is up to us to teach them Honor, Responsibility, Courtesy, Kindness, Respect, Gratitude, Empathy, Loyalty, Generosity, etc.

          Obviously Lori Drew has no conception of what those words mean and it will pass to her daughter and so on and so on.  On top of that, she has no remorse.  How can anyone ever condone that kind of behavior.  Oh and one more thing.  If you don't know how to behave, read the fine print!

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          Reply#9 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:25 PM EST
          Ben Leichtling

          Thanks for the post ,

          I learned a few, very important lessons from bullies when I was growing up a long time ago on mean streets in New York City:

          1. Bullies and bullying have been around forever. Big kids pick on little kids. Strong kids pick on weak kids. Groups of kids pick on those who are different. That’s natural and will go on forever. That’s the way life is even after you grow up. As a society, we will do all we can to stop it, but more important, it’s my job as an individual to create a bully-free environment no matter what the other adults or society do. I think of it as “Creating an isle of song in a sea of shouts” (Rabindranath Tagore).
          2. Schools have never been safe. I remember a biography of Harpo Marx (remember the Marx Brothers). He went to school for one day. The kids threw him out the window (first floor). He came back in. They threw him out again. After the third time he didn't go back in. And never did again.
          3. Schools are testing grounds for the real world. They present us with situations in response to which we can develop strength of character, resilience and skill. Imagine growing up on a farm, in a war zone or in the middle ages. Not safe. I grew up in New York City. Not safe.
          4. There are no safe environments. That was the message I always got from reading the great hero stories when I was growing up. And each tale challenged me to prepare myself for similar dangers.

          We have to learn (as individuals and with whatever help we can get) how to stop bullies. Imagine a staircase. At the bottom you try talking and asking bullies to stop. Or you make jokes. If that doesn’t stop them, and it never does with true bullies, you keep moving up the staircase until you stop them. Like some of the comments already pointed out, you may have to fight. So fight to win. The bully will show you what you have to do to stop him or her.

          Whenever there’s a new technology, bullies simply have a new tactic to use. Our society slowly adjusts and makes laws to outlaw most of the bullying. We’re in that phase now with cyberbullying.

          Of course, a major part of the problem are the parents who don’t pay attention or who don’t stop their children or who protect their darling little bullies. Just like Lucius Malfoy protects his darling Draco in the Harry Potter series. Of course, parents can’t see it 100 percent of the time, but when they do they’re supposed to have enough character to stop their children.

          Lori Drew didn’t teach good character to her daughter or to the friends. The parents of the friends didn’t either. Megan’s parents didn’t teach her to be resilient. Not all parents can and not all kids will learn.

          As I show in my books and CDs of case studies, “How to Stop Bullies in their Tracks” and “Parenting Bully-Proof Kids,” bullies are not all the same, but their patterns of behavior, their tactics, are the same. That’s why we can find ways to stop most of them. Sometimes, fighting is the key to success. If we don’t stop bullies, they’ll think we’re easy prey. Like sharks, they’ll just go after us more.

          When children learn how to stop bullies in their tracks, they develop strength of character, determination, resilience and skill. They’ll need these qualities to succeed against the real world bullies they’ll face as adults.

          Disclosure: In addition to having six children, I’m a practical, pragmatic coach and consultant. Check out my website and blog at BulliesBeGone (http://www.BulliesBeGone.com).

          Best wishes,
          Ben

            Reply#10 - Tue Feb 3, 2009 11:51 PM EST
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