Blu-ray hopes for a green season

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Will it be a blue season for Blu-ray? Retailers and movie studios aren’t sure yet, even though prices on some players are expected to plummet from several hundred dollars to as low as $125 to $150 on Black Friday, and perhaps stay at bargain levels during the holiday season.

Even before the economic downturn, consumers weren’t flocking to buy Blu-ray. The price drops on some models may help. But at a time of scrimping for many, Blu-ray is not a must-have.

You’ll get the most benefit from a Blu-ray player if you have a high-definition TV. Blu-ray will give you dynamic sound and vibrant video, taking advantage of your television’s capabilities.

“The only people who are going to buy Blu-ray players are the ones who already have high-def TVs,” said Steven J. Wilson, ABI Research’s principal analyst for consumer video technologies. “It’s quite different from the transition from VHS to DVD, because you didn’t have to buy a new TV to take advantage of DVD players.”

However, not everyone who has high-definition TV is opting for Blu-ray so far. And, if you’re sticking with a standard-definition TV, or are happy with the quality you have from your existing DVD player, and are not an obsessive videophile, you may not feel compelled to buy a player this year.

“A lot of people can’t really tell the difference between DVD quality and Blu-ray,” Wilson said. “However, he adds, “If you’ve been on the sidelines about Blu-ray, now is a good time to get your feet wet.”

Off-brand models cheaper
Earlier this year, players hovered in the $500 range. At that time, technology consultant Rob Enderle noted that for Blu-ray to succeed, players would need to land in the $200-price range, or as he called it, the “I-don’t-have-to-ask-my-wife’s-permission” number.

Prices have come down to the $250 to $400 range. The newest models have what is called a "2.0 profile." Many of the $200-or-less specials in the days and weeks ahead will be players with a slightly older “profile,” 1.1 , which came out in November 2007. Players with the first Blu-ray profile, 1.0, went on the market in 2006.)

Some of the less expensive players will be lesser-known brands, players made by companies like Funai, of Japan, Wilson said. Funai also makes players for well-known companies such as Magnavox and Sylvania, and even Best Buy’s own brand, known as Insignia, he said,

“A lot of these products are exactly the same on the inside, but the look of the player could be different,” he said.

There’s also nothing wrong with 1.1 players. The big difference between them and the 2.0 profile players, new to the market, is that 1.1 and 1.0 players don’t have a built-in Ethernet port for a high-speed Internet connection.

That’s the important feature part of the 2.0 profile, also referred to as “BD-Live.”

The Internet connection means you can download movie trailers or other studio-related features. More importantly, movies themselves can be downloaded to the player.

It’s that kind of use of an Internet connection on Blu-ray players that should help sell them. But it isn’t pervasive right now.

BD-Live “is still just being introduced into players,” Wilson said. “And it will probably take another 12 months it to make its way solidly into players.”

An Internet connection on a Blu-ray player, he said, is “the real differentiator between standard DVD players and Blu-ray players.”

Movie streaming starting to appeal
The notion of streaming movies or videos from the Internet onto devices — be they Blu-ray players, game consoles, computers or DVD recorders — is starting to take off.

LG Electronics recently released its BD300 Network Blu-ray Disc Player, which streams movie and TV episodes from Netflix at no extra charge. You have to be a Netflix subscriber in order to use the service, and there’s a $1 a month Netflix add-on charge for unlimited access to Blu-ray movies.

The player itself retails for around $400, but can be found online for about $300.

Samsung recently announced it will make two Blu-ray players that allow Netflix streaming.

Netflix is also partnering with TiVo for streaming movies to its latest generation of digital video recorders, as well as with Microsoft on its Xbox 360. The program is called the “New Xbox Experience,” and costs $7.99 a month. (Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal.) 

Sony PS3 also has Blu-ray
Sony’s PlayStation 3 game console, which comes with Blu-ray and an Internet connection, is “still one of the best Blu-Ray players on the market, and in fact, makes up 80 to 90 percent of the units out there,” said Wilson.

There are two models of the PS3, and the least expensive is $400. It’s certainly a smart purchase as a two-fer if you’re a PlayStation fan and you want Blu-Ray.

“We’re also seeing TVs with more connectivity capabilities,” said Ross Rubin, director of industry analysis for The NPD Group market research firm. “Sharp and Samsung offer televisions that can receive information over the Internet.”

Blu-ray players may offer more cinematic richness on the screen than DVDs, but be prepared to deal with computer-like “firmware” fixes, software updates to the player itself, that may need to be made.

“These are very complicated devices from a software perspective,” said Wilson. “Obviously, over time, the machines are getting better and better. But it’s very different from the DVD player.

“With DVDs, every disc you put into your player, for the most part, will play without a problem. It’s very rare you get a disc that won’t play. With Blu-ray, that’s not the case.”

If you have an extensive library of DVDs, they can be used on Blu-ray players. Blu-ray discs themselves are more expensive than regular DVDs.

The average selling price of Blu-ray discs in October was $25.38, compared to $15.81 for standard DVDs, according to Lee Graham, spokesman for The NPD Group.

To help spur holiday sales, expect to see some bundling of players along with Blu-ray discs. Other retailers are offering a combo deal if you buy both a TV set and Blu-ray player by the same manufacturer.

Check for HDMI cable
No matter which player you consider, find out in advance whether it comes with an HDMI cable in the box. If it doesn’t, you’re looking at spending another $50 or so for this cable, needed so you can connect the player to your high-definition TV.

One Idaho man, writing on a major retailer’s blog, said he drove an hour-and-a-half to the store to buy a discounted Blu-ray player, only to get home and discover there was no HDMI cable in the box. He said was assured otherwise by a store representative.

“I just thought this was the biggest skimp ever,” he wrote. “They give you batteries for the remote, but not the cord that on the instructions says, ‘Use this for optimized performance.’ ”

So far, only 7 percent of American households have Blu-ray players, compared to 85 percent with DVD players, according to The NPD Group’s 2008 Household Penetration Study.

Manufacturers and studio heads aren’t panicking yet, although they’re nervous.

Blu-ray is still relatively new, and it was only earlier this year that the Sony-backed, high-definition format “won” over Toshiba’s lesser-selling HD DVD format when Toshiba announced it would abandon HD DVD.

Most in the industry expect it will be at least another year before Blu-ray sales increase significantly.

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{"commentId":4196791,"authorDomain":"hd65"}

Why do we need blu-ray? And what a dumb name for a technology. Wealready hav DVD and it works just fine. It does not justify the cost to buy something just because you can, especially without any verifiable difference. At least to me anyway. Perhaps when the price drops to something comparable to DVD then it will sell.

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    Reply#1 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:11 AM EST
    {"commentId":4204871,"authorDomain":"ostrichstealth"}

    Blu ray allows for more content to be burned onto a disc - allowing better picture and sound quality.  This could also mean cutting back on bulky, multi disc collector's edition of DVD movies because all that extra features can be put into 1 or 2 discs.  While the unique DVD custom cases are great, a lot more resources are going to be saved.

    Yes, it is tiring knowing you have to buy a new TV to buy a blu-ray disc - but this is the direction its going.

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    #1.1 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:54 PM EST
    {"commentId":4244586,"authorDomain":"hd65"}

    Well, I kind of know what Blu-Ray offers. But I say; why? I can hardly tell the difference between the two. And as far as the packaging; I am sure they will contiue to waste resources. Alas, I guess it really doesn't amtter one way or the other.

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      #1.2 - Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:11 AM EST
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      {"commentId":4197104,"authorDomain":"skyedanzer"}

      Don't have it, don't plan to get it. I jhave q collection of movies I want to keep and I am not willing to replace them again just because Sony, the priciest name in electronics, won the turf war. I've got my DVDs and a wii. If the average consumer cannot tell the difference, why make them? Why buy them? stupid, stupid, stupid.

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        Reply#2 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:38 AM EST
        {"commentId":4197370,"authorDomain":"placenamehere"}

        Good luck with that.

        I think that it'll do fine in time as people replace their current players, but for many there's no compelling reason they've been shown to create a desire to jump -- particularly in the current tight economy. Sure, HDTVs have made the mainstream jump and you can't find anything but flat panels when you walk into best buy or another retailer, but Any DVD player - even one that doesn't upscale - is probably going to seem good enough to those buying the $300 19" or 22" sets. The sets aren't bought by the masses as home entertainment centers - they're just bought to watch some tv and a grab the back episodes of 24 from netflix.

        Me, I'm not even on an HDTV set yet. Still using a rather large tube TV I bought before HDTV prices dropped. So its standard def DVDs for me [with the occasional hulu or netflix streaming via a mac mini] and I'm quite content. Sure I'll go for a pricy HDTV and probably a PS3/blueray when this thing finally craps out on me, but I don't feel I NEED more to be entertained. Sports [HNL hockey] is the one thing drawing me to replace this set, and again that has nothing to do with blueray usage or movies.

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        Reply#3 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:57 AM EST
        {"commentId":4197903,"authorDomain":"dstone93"}

        Well I don't know what people AREN'T seeing in pipcture quality but, I can see a HUGE difference in the picture.  I remember people saying the same thing when DVD's first came out and the same for HD TV's "I don't see a difference in the picture"...  BS.  I'm not saying to rush out replace anything but if you are in the market for a player.  I wouldn't consider anything but a Blue-Ray player.  Just my two cents.

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          Reply#4 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:33 AM EST
          {"commentId":4198476,"authorDomain":"dstone93"}

          I do not understand what people AREN'T seeing with the better picture of Blue-Ray players.  People said the same thing when DVDs came out, "I don't see a difference in picture".  The same thing was said when HDTV came out.  I think those people need to get there eye's checked.

          Pricing for the players have come way down between $100 and $200 for some players.  This is where the pricing for DVD players were when they became the hot item.  Same thing for the movies them selves.  $25 may be a little more expensive but DVD's where once priced at that cost and look now.  DVD's have come down in price, so will Blue-Ray discs. 

          I'm not saying that you need to go run out and replace anything but, if your in the market for a player...  Blue-Ray is the way to go, IF you have or are planning to purchase an HDTV set.  If not, then you shouldn't even comment on this article.  You're still in the 90's!

           MUCH better picture quality than DVD.  Not to mention great audio!

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          Reply#5 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:12 PM EST
          {"commentId":4199861,"authorDomain":"mattjwest"}

          That depends.. A better picture if you have an HD tv over so many inches... In fact the picture quality difference between DVD 480p and 720p on 30-36 HD Tv's is nearly Zero because the amount of pixels required to maintain a sharp and clear picture.. HD may hold more image information but it's only true benefit is with Tv's over 40 inches... And 720p vs 1080p is nearly zero until you go over 55 inches.. The initial visual difference you may see is so little that you will soon forget it after your fist day of having it.. HD image quality also depends on sitting the correct distance from the TV because there is always a loss of image fedelity if you sit too far or too close from your HD TV. On a 40 inch tv, if you sit more than 6 feet from the TV your image quality drops because detail start to erode from distance.. 8 feet from a 40 inch tv = 480p-520p on a 720 display.

          However, that isn't Blue-rays problem... BD movies cost 3x's as much as DVD's.. I can get a used DVD movie for 2 - 5 dollars and used BD movies are still 20 dollars +... I can still get a new DVD for 9 dollars while new BD movies can reach nearly 30 dollars.. And the other big problem with BD.. You can get Divx movies even cheaper yet!

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            #5.1 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:39 PM EST
            {"commentId":4201055,"authorDomain":"dstone93"}

            That's just crazy talk! :-)  Just kidding.  You are exactly right.  There are all kinds of variables to picture quality.  Most people have the attitude of "Hey, if I can see a picture. that's all I care about".  They have there entertainment center setup all wrong with lighting problems again with the "good enough" mentality.

            The biggest technical difference in regards to HD is compression.  ANYTHING broadcasted on telivision is compressed to the point where "HD" is questionable.  Blu-Ray is, if I'm not mistaken, completely uncompressed.  That right there, no matter what size TV you have, makes a BIG difference in picture quality.

            Pricing, again it depends on what you want.  To me I would rather rent my movies anyway.  Why would I buy movies.  Just like a previous poster stated.  Why would I want to replace my movie collection eveytime they come out with some new technology.  Of course there are some movies that you just have to own.  But those movies are the ones you would prefer to have on the new technology anyway.  Anyway Blu-Ray movies WILL be that cheap some day. ;-)

            Bottom line is that I like new technology in home entertainment.  Just because some people like to stay with old stuff doesn't mean the rest of us should.

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            #5.2 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:59 PM EST
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            {"commentId":4199017,"authorDomain":"versatiledude"}

            What these articles always fail to mention it seems, is that unless you have a 1080p HDTV, there is no reason to get a Blu-Ray player.  I have asked around because I have a 1080i HDTV and every salesman tells me there is no need to waste the money since it's not a 1080p to 1080p connection.  Do like I did and get an upconverter DVD player and I doubt most people could tell the difference.  

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            Reply#6 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:44 PM EST
            {"commentId":4200850,"authorDomain":"steve-82"}

            The story references an HDMI cable costing $50. It doesn't. Monoprice.com has terrific quality cables for dirt cheap. A three foot HDMI cable from them is under four bucks plus shipping.

            No affiliation with them. Just no reason whatsoever to pay Best Buy prices on HDMI cables.

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              Reply#7 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:44 PM EST
              {"commentId":4201077,"authorDomain":"dstone93"}

              Monoprice.com.  The best site on the internet!  lol

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                #7.1 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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                {"commentId":4201363,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

                Blu-Ray is better than DVD, but not "That Much Better" to make up for the price/performance of buying Blu-Ray DVD's. If Blu-Ray discs sold for the cost of regular DVDs then people WOULD BE buying the players and the discs and not even considering the old DVD format.

                My view, it's COST that is preventing Blu-Ray from dominating the market.

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                Reply#8 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:24 PM EST
                {"commentId":4205531,"authorDomain":"michaelnoonan"}

                If you have a full high definition screen, over about 38 inches, and the difference between Blu-ray and DVD doesn't leap out at you, you need new glasses. Your old DVDs will play just as well on a Blu-ray player as they will on a DVD player, there is no need to replace them if you don't want to, they'll still look fine.

                But.   There are two down sides. The extra you you pay for every Blu-ray movie you buy is WAY out of proportion to the benefits you gain. A three dollar differential might be reasonable, but it's much more than that. The media makers are ripping us off.

                And the range of movies available is way, way smaller than the range on DVD. What's worse is that a disproportionate number of the movies that are available have been chosen because they're visually spectacular, to showcase the high-def, not because they're good movies. There are a lot of crap movies on Blu-ray!

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                  Reply#9 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:15 PM EST
                  {"commentId":4219147,"authorDomain":"mattjwest"}

                  I don't think you know what you are talking about... A TV over 38 inches would more than leap out at you... The resolution required to retain image fedelity on larger screens is extreme.. DVD's do not have a high enough resolution and would be VERY BLURRY and grainy on a TV over 32 inches.. DVD's only hold a resolution of 480p which is horrible especially if you want a tv over 40 inches.. 1080p on a 60inch TV would actually look much sharper and clearer than a DVD on a 30 inch TV... Those are the facts... You can't blow up an image and expect the image to remain clear without an increased resolution... Movies are not Vector based images or vector based digital movies where you can blow it up to any size with zero loss of image fedelity.. Video is a lossy format just like Raster based images.. 

                  1080p and 720p will kill DVD in image quality on larger tv sets.. The only time the difference begins to deminish is when you are playing a DVD in increasingly smaller displays... Even then the image quality differes because a BD hold more image data such as details within the image because of the higher resolution.. You can have a sharp and clear image on a DVD and still be missing Image fedelity or detail quality do to lack of resolution or pixels... On a BD an mans hair will be far more detailed to where you can count every strand of hair where on a DVD it is highly unlikely you could do so because DVD's lack the resolution to display finer details... So even on smaller screens the DVD lacks huge ammounts of detail...But can retain a clear image quality..

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                  #9.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:43 PM EST
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