At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city

Just heard an update that several officials and ministers were targeted.  Here is the link: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Terrorists_strike_Mumbai_80_dead_300_hurt/articleshow/3761410.cms

It is time for "moderate" muslims to take a stand and denounce once and for all the radicals within their own faith.  Without doing so, they are complicit in these acts, and by extrapolation the entire faith is terroristic.  Every other faith would and has denounced radicals within their own faith, and it is increasingly curious that muslims fail to do so.  Thus, as a group they are radically different from the rest of us, and should be dealt with as a group in radically different ways.

What is horrifying is that muslims as a whole stay silent with regard to the radicals within their midst.  Their behavior is not unlilke Germans who stood silent as they watched the atrocities of the Holocaust in their own backyard.

The hands of evil are those in all who believe in Mohammed.  Until so-called moderates of the faith denounce the radicals of the faith, it is difficult to believe otherwise.

Have we as a whole become so politically correct that we cannot place blame where blame lies?  muslims seem not to be able to participate in the moderate world, and either seem quick to pursue radical acts of violence to meet their religious goals, or quick to fund those that have more cajones to meet those goals

I think the moderate muslims need to feel more comfortable in knowing that the rest of the world will stand behind them. However, when you have the EU banning headwraps and total racial profiling in the US, they are as scared of us as they are of them. We are referring to a group who feels squeezed between a rock and a hard place. And, I'm sorry, but a crooked, familiar drug runner who makes quick money may seem more appealing that a lying stranger who offers pennies, or who is conditioned to believe that the westerner will kill them after they are no longer needed.

I bet Ghandhi himself would jump in the fray and start kickin' muslim ass

BizEBea...

Until moderate muslims take a stand against radicals in their own faith, I think racial profiling and banning headwraps is the least that should be done.  The message needs to be delivered to muslims that until they differentiate themselves from one another, they are all the same.  In my opinion, followers of Mohammed lack this level of courage, and will most likely be vicitms to the more radical of their faith.  I would love to be proven otherwise, and indeed the world be a safer a place if I was incorrect.

It continues to be amazing how most continue to apologize for the failure of moderate muslims to take a stand against radicals in their own faith.  It is ironic how the same happened in Nazi Germany, and history seems to be repeating itself as a consequence of political correctness.  I bet BizEBea would have made the same arguments as above in defense of Nazi Germany, and he/she is clueless to realize how similar the arguments are.  Present day muslims are as indefensible as the Nazis.

I would certainly argue that many Germans, not Nazis, harbored fear with regards to their govt. I would venture further to say that would partially explain how that situation got so incredibly out of control. I am not ignorant to the fact that those who refuse to use their voices are part of the problem, but I am not ready to condone an entire bunch because a fraction of them are bad. A percentage of white upperclass are scumbag bottom feeders, but I don't think every last one I meet should be greeted with harsh prejudice. Same is said for anyone else you want to throw in the pot.

good points BizEBea.  However, I am quite certain that you would be "Western Hero of the Day" on Al-jeezera (sp).  I agree that we should not condone an entire group for a fraction that are bad.  However, if the majority of the group is silent in the context of the atrocities of their minority, they are all inherently complicit.   To argue otherwise, distinguishes you as a coward.

I would think that you would be "condemning", not condoning...and after 8 posts with very little change in the wording Wahabi, we get the idea.....

These terrorists may be part of a group involved in the Kashmir dispute, I don't know for sure - but I am checking on this.

Meanwhile, for a more basic view on what drives these people, especially suicide bombers:

'An Idiot's Guide to the Real Motives of Terrorism'

You are correct... pardon the slip in vocabulary.   I am sure that "we" too get your idea as well.   History is replete with those who apologize for atrocities while turning the other cheek, and indeed it is muslims who try to capitalize off of this.  Congratulation on being a Western patsy!

Ironically BizEBea, you too used "condone" in your post from 10:12 PM CST, when I am sure you meant "condemn" (i.e., "but I am not ready to condone an entire bunch because a fraction of them are bad"). Thus, you continue to point to errors of others while failiring to address your own.

Sorry. ..that last post was for the muslim apologist named JustLynn.  Funny how JustLynn pointed out my error, but not the same arror of one of her compatriots....seems fair to me?

"Meanwhile, for a more basic view on what drives these people, especially suicide bombers"

And some of them are driven by their strange perverted beliefs that they are serving Allah by massacring people. Hard for us to imagine-- but some of them actually believe this nonsense:  A Mother of a "Shahid" (Martyr) Explains Her Motives (Video)

You are correct... pardon the slip in vocabulary.   I am sure that "we" too get your idea as well.   History is replete with those who apologize for atrocities while turning the other cheek, and indeed it is muslims who try to capitalize off of this.  Congratulation on being a Western patsy!

Wahabi...you don't know me, you don't know my beliefs,and my the vocabulary check was for you and BizE....I am by no means either a patsy or an apologist. I simply don't feel I have the authority to judge anyone, a feeling you obviously don't share....

"This is absolutely horrifying.  The death count is rising and the people of India are suffering at the hands of evil people who have no conscience. "

It is indeed. But India has been suffering at the hands of the jihadis for years-- this is not some recent development:

2 years later, Mumbai blasts still cause pain

Seeded on Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:20 AM EDT (The Kansas City Star)

"Nearly every day for the past two years, two mothers have sat at their sons' bedsides and repeated almost the same words. "It's time to go home," they tell the young men. "Don't you want to leave the hospital?" Mumbai's top neurosurgeons tell them not to expect replies.

And the Indian gov't has often been perhaps a bit too "politically correct":

Delhi carries a small stick

"Israel bombs the Osirak nuclear research facility in Iraq in 1981 after it alleges that Iraq is using the facility to develop a nuclear weapons program. China seizes and dismantles a United States EP-3 aircraft after it allegedly ventures into Chinese airspace in 2001. The US invades Afghanistan after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

And then there is India. An attack on the Indian parliament in December 2001; hijacking of Indian Airlines 814 to Afghanistan in 1999, which was released only after the exchange of three terrorists, including one who was later responsible for the execution of US journalist Daniel Pearl; terrorist attacks in Jaipur in May 2008, Hyderabad in August 2007, Mumbai in July 2006, Varanasi in March 2006, Bangalore in December 2005, Delhi in October 2005 and Ayodhya in July 2005; a recent surge in infiltration across the Line of Control in Kashmir; and this week's attack on the Indian Embassy in the Afghan capital Kabul.

India's reaction: point fingers at political opponents and turn the other cheek."

Time to retract those outsourcing ocntracts. ESPECIALLY the Federal ones like the IRS.

@Brammy:

If these terrorist came from the Kasmir region they could have several links to Al Qadea supportive or even Taliban supported groups. Pakistan should also conduct it's own investigation because a real reason that this area maintains to be such a hot bed and create dozens of wanna be "martyrs" is Pakistan looking the other way. Money to support, create, organize, arm, and bribe could come from some of those proclaimed "charaties" that we were talking about. Not to say that this specific action had money picked up from the US (more likely Saudi Arabia) but for this size operation, there had to be a lot of people in the loop of knowledge before this attack occurred.

India has had an increase of attacks from wanna be cowards aka "martyrs" ever since the Kashmir region has been fought over. The terrorist cells have moved out from hitting the local police station or checkpoint in that area and branch off and hit India were it will hurt both physically and economically in the tourist regions. What was hit? Two large luxury motels that are used by foreign business and tourist. Who was being sought? Americans and British. Why? Active members who have sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. Also, Indian governmental members and any local or regional law enforcement. A large coordinated attack takes a considerable amount of time to prep and organize. So I am sure that there are many people out there who supported this attack. if found, they should be placed in front of a wall and shot. Or let the victims family get their hands on them.

They must not have heard that Obama won the election.

jsbach,  I'm not sure what country you are from, but in the USA they most certain got to us on our own land killing thousands on 9/11.  The USA has ~ 35,000 people come across the border from Mexico EVERY MONTH, 35,000 people!!  And that doesn't include the Canadian border.  This is what makes the USA's Homeland Secutity a joke.  The USA, at least, is VERY susceptible to a terrorist attack, if not an all out assault by hundreds of terrorists.

Yes NHFisher, I'm well aware of 9/11 and please keep your attitude to yourself.  I failed to mention the enemy has failed to come to our own land since 9/11. 

Now, I will accept your apology for being overly excited.

Excuse me?  I asked where you were from to see if maybe you live in the UK or something, just trying to be informative.  Hard not to wonder when someone says we haven't been attacked on our own land after we just lost thousands of people.

YOU need to take it down a notch. I will accept YOUR apology for being assumptive.

And I answered.

Apology accepted. Thank you.

Next time explain yourself thoroughly so we don't have to turn on our ESP to figure out the pertinent information you leave out.

First of all, I have not apologized nor do I intend to feed your ego.  You are new to the Vine so I suggest you act according to the Newsvine CoH. Read up all you can regarding behavior.  It will make your time on Newsvine more enjoyable.  If you continue, I have the option to hit the "ignore" button or if you feel threatened by me, you may contact Newsvine and report me.

I strongly suggest you stick to the subject of the article.

Sorry, YOU need to read the Newsvine CoH, for it is YOU who is being rude AND obnoxious.  Being a willy old vet maybe you should be nicer to "new" people instead of calling them arrogant when they are simply trying to contribute NICELY. 

But, maybe I made you look stupid forgetting 9/11 and all, I apologize about that. 

BOTH of you sound like children...knock it off and stick to the subject...

JustLynn,

I suggest you do the same.  Both of you on ignore.

WOW....angry much?

JustLynn, I apologize for the behavior, I don't know what this dudes issue is or what I wrote in my initial reply that flipped his switch.  Regardless, I shouldn't have allowed myself to stoop to his level, especailly in light of the topic.

Some people can't deal with having their mistakes brought to their attention....I find that anyone who would put me on ignore probably isn't someone I need to worry much about or would want to debate with anyway....

Enjoy the Vine...

Agreed, have a Happy Thanksgiving.  

Terrorists and their supporters must be eradicated. My deepest condolences, India. May you root out those surviving responsible, and bring them to swift and certain justice.

That is such a ridiculous statement.  The Bush family? 

@ Max 3PO:

While some can argue that the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan has increased some numbers of willing recruits to strap a bomb on themselves and target the US and Western Europe, it should be reviewed again that terrorism is nothing new and remembering the Munich attack, the chaos 1980s with various terrorists capturing international airline flights, etc. was not the fault of the Bush family. Hezbullah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, the dozen of other splinter terrorist groups and their state supported operations had nothing to do with the Bush family. Those terrorist who attacked 9/11 had little knowledge of President Bush. He had just got into the White House and this was a second attempt to knock down the towers. The first attempt was conducted during the Clinton era. So to say all this is Bush's fault is incorrect.

Look at US history, in the early 1800s, the US dealt with the Barbary Pirates off the coast of Libya. They were Islamic raiders who captured foreign commerce shipping and held the crew for ransom or placed them in slavery. The US sent a naval squadron to stop the pirate actions. Hence the Marine Corps song has the phrase, "to the shores of Tripoli" when a small detachment of US Marines landed on the coast of Libya.

Max - the Bush family?  You're kidding, right?  The terrorist, by their own decision and free will in choosing this course of action against civilians, are solely to blame.  

I agree Kori.  This began long before the Bush administration and to blame Bush or Clinton is ludicrous. 

Mac, enjoyed your comments of historical past.  Very interesting.

Yes, It's been going on forever, so why do we keep sticking our nose into countries that don't want anything to do with us. By the Bush family, Daddy Bush, pissed off Oussama Ben Laden, that brought terrorism to our home turf like never before. Then King George started the Iraq war, making the entire middle East unstable, if it had any stabilasation all. We armed Israel to the teeth so they can commit genocide on the Palestinians, so yeah, the Bush administrations sucked when it came to foreign affairs. The middle East is a open training grounds now, thanks to the Bush family. Because of the Bush administration Americans are sitting ducks for terrorist world wide. He promised a safer country and World, well he blew it. They taget Americans and UK citizens, so yes it's personal.

why do we keep sticking our nose into countries that don't want anything to do with us

What, prey tell, were these Brits and American's doing to "stick their noses" into India's business?   Oh, I know, they were BEING Brits and Americans in India.  India has been an ally for hundreds of years, Max....having nothing at all to do with Bush.  Do you think these attacks had anything to do with Bush?  Oh, wait, he wasn't even President then.

Should this turn out to be associated with anti-western/anti-Christian hatred, there is a long history, far pre-dating not only Mr. Bush, but our very country.  Nevertheless, India remains a strong democracy in the region.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6943598.stm  for more on India's democracy (NV won't let me link for some reason).

Max:  You may be correct in your assessments but even when we weren't aggressively pursuing terrorists in the middle east, we were still attacked.  Remember the first WTC; bombing the barracks; bombing the USS Cole; etc.  Granted there's room for improvement on our end, I believe that no matter how "good" we are the terrorists will always want to kill us and not care one iota about innocent blood because of the depth and intensity of hatred in their hearts that affects their warped perspectives. 

@Max 3PO:

Terrrorism has been going on since the man established various countries, culture, beliefs, and personality. Like I said before, the United States has dealt with this since it's creation. Europe has dealt with forms of terrorism. Review history and see some examples:

After the Liberation of the Phillipines from Spanish control, the US found itself bogged down in a insurection against Phillipine insurgents and the Moro tribesman. The Moro's were known for their fanatical beleifs of Islam and usually took no prisoners. The US Army had several years of hard counter insurgent fighting which lasted for a period of time. (1895 to 1900) Moro tribesman would conduct hit and run attacks against small US patrols, those captured would usually be tortured and then beheaded.

Terrorism has been around before 9/11.

@jsbach:

Here is a book about the Barbary Pirates vs United States:

The End of Barbary Terror: America's 1815 War Against The Pirates of North Africa

by Frederick C. Leiner

"A random act of Terrorism."

Yup. In fact, there's seems to be a regular pattern ..of "random attacks" against India over the years.

Here's a list of some of the "random attacks" in India.

I've noticed that Krishna. 

Now that you bring that up, there have been an increase of attacks and if I'm not mistaken, the Muslim community has been trying to rid India of non-Muslims and to control the Christians and Hindus of India.

The attacks are becoming more violent, more bold, against the citizens of India.

" Terrorism will never completely subside.It grows on the attention that we feed it on a daily if not hourly basis."

Are you saying that you feel the medisa should ignore stories such as this-- not cover unpkleasant news? (Ignore it and maybe it will go away? Or--decrease?)

Are you saying that you feel the medisa should ignore stories such as this-- not cover unpkleasant news? (Ignore it and maybe it will go away? Or--decrease?

Krishna,

I'm not sure where you got that idea but I don't believe I said or inferred anything about ignoring these stories.

"Krishna,

I'm not sure where you got that idea but I don't believe I said or inferred anything about ignoring these stories."

Sorry for the confusion-- I wasn't being clear. My comment was not addressed to you but to this statement (in comment #8):

"Terrorism will never completely subside.It grows on the attention that we feed it on a daily if not hourly basis. Re enforcement that the terror has been acknowledged, makes terrorism an effective political tool. "

I was disagreeing with Raymond Max's comment (#8)-- that paying attention to terrorism feeds it, and that perhaps if we ignore it , it will go away. this ignores the cause of Islamic terrorism worldwide-- which is jihad for the sake of Allah. (I imagine its only a teeny-weeny minority of Muslims that feel that way-- but they do feel that way--- and that tiny minority can raise havoc.

I am not saying ignore it.. The article where we attribute an act of violence to a specific group, encourages that group to commit more acts of violence. it effectively says... we`

recognizeyour deed..   I am sorrow full for the pain. i take nothing away from these victums, i only ask that the media is cautious in the acknowledgement of the deed.

Someone needs to ask Pakistan's Intelligence Service as well some of it's members to see if anyone "knew: about this attack. Pakistan's lack of control or security in that area has provided a safe haven for terrorist groups who support Wahhabism, the Taliban, and Al Qadea operations.

@Timeforachangealready

Why do I see this exact quote in the comments on the Times of India story:

Carey,United States,says:I thought the American election of President Elect Obama would unite the world and restore peace? We'll see how much his followers like the fact that terrorism still exists in the world. Best of luck Barrack it would be in your best interest to continue President Bush's terror policies before the violence comes back to the United States.

"Why do I see this exact quote in the comments on the Times of India story:"

I can't guess. I give up-- why do you see it?

Maybe we will hear a grand speech about uniting the world......or at least a statement from "The Office of the President -Elect"......

replytoj001

Why must you turn this sad incident into a political statement? This is the most ridiculous statement I have heard yet today.....NO ONE said Obama getting elected would restore the world to peace...move away from the bong...

Oh but no......that is all we heard how Obama was going to "change" the world and America.....

The bong has spoken...

replytoj001

These smear tactics are old and lame - why blame the man who hasn't even become president yet? Please.

These smear tactics are old and lame - why blame the man who hasn't even become president yet? Please.

Because he will inherit ALL of this and more.  A speech will not do.

Because he is running "The Office of the President Elect" holding press conferences, telling us what he is going to do, and there are some in the MSM who have suggested the current President should step down now and let Obama start running things now. 

O' sorry, that was only for the US economy.....sorry, the President (elect) cannot pick and choose which crisis will happen.

Because Obama promised he would meet without pre-conditions our enemies.

Because these "smear" tactics are real.....Obama has said, to the US and to the world, how we can be better, and can be more diplomatic in dealing with our enemies.

So I believe my position to be valid....old or lame not withstanding.

replytoj001

Well crusader, if we go by past history, we got our butts whooped in the long run.  

But you forgot the profound wisdom of the atheist's hymn wherein we are counseled by the by the genius pop singer/songwriter Lenin to "imagine all the people living life in peace."  It's actually really easy, if you try.  Unfortunately, it appears that there are some people who simply aren't trying hard enough.  Fortunately, I am confident that this new administration will test the consciences of the American people and ferret out all the party-poopers who are failing to "give hope a chance" for the kind of "change we need."  If I had to speculate as to who is not cutting the mustard, I'd put my money on some successful small business owner like Joe the Plumber or someone in the church-going family-values crowd like Sarah Palin.     

Yes, I heard the assassins were shouting "Death to Joe the Plumber, Death to Palin," just before the anti-terrorist unit calmed them down with the Lennon doctrine blaring over the bullhorns, "Imagine all the people living for today......."

"Yes, I heard the assassins were shouting "Death to Joe the Plumber, Death to Palin," just before the anti-terrorist unit calmed them down with the Lennon doctrine blaring over the bullhorns, "Imagine all the people living for today......."

So-- its not Karl Rove or "da Jews" or Joe the plumber who's directly responsible for all the violence committed by jihadis in India? Rather-- its John Lennon?

Krishna...try to keep up...it's all Bush's fault.  Okay, maybe a few Jews.  But, John Lennon is the antidote, the cure.  ;-)

Lets close GITMO.

There are some Westerners held hostage in the two hotels according to the media reports but it is unclear which countries they belong to. Theres another place in Mumbai called the Chhabra House and the terrorists are holding a Jewish family hostage there, an encounter is going on. 

Thanks Mridul.  I appreciate the posting.

The terroist group who has taken responsibility of the attacks is calling itself Deccan Mujaheddin. An email was sent to some media outlets the this newspaper (very well known newspaper) just published it in its morning edition - there's no connection. Additionally i highly doubt that a group of this name exists. One of the terrorist, apparently named Shahtullah, calle done of the tv networks and stated his demands (i.e. to release all terrorists held in Indian jails) he calimed he hails from Hyderabad, South India but by his accent it seemed he belonged to the North-Western parts of Pakistan; he is not an Indian that is for sure. 

Cute, Reverened J.  Do you really find this helpful?

India has been targeted by terrorists for the last 20 years and the Western countries slept all this while. The Indian government and the Indian people don't expect much from the Western governments expect that they recognize India as a victim of terror. 

boooooo

India has been the target of terrorism for 20 years where were US and UK governments at that time. They woke up to the terror threat only after 9/11. Only then did they release that Pakistan is the global hub of terrorism they were ignorant for 20 years. 

The nuclear deal was signed this year India has been facing the terror problem for the last 20 years obviously this is news for most westerner and their governments. Have you ever heard of this group even the Indian security and intel agencies haven't heard this name before. The terrorists involved were speaking in an accent not found in any part of India it is found in North Western Pakistan. 

Yes Yes Mridul Chadha we will all be guessing for a while about this one. Blaming Pakistan is ofcourse the only avenue here. Curious that they chose Deccan though? 

Maybe it has to do with the recent unfair treatment of Indian Muslims, or maybe it is related to Indian pride and the need for Indians to be totally self sufficient. 

I am still tossing this around, anyways if the head of the Indian Anti-Terror squad did know of this, he has taken it to the grave with him. 

But Mridul Chadha, this is no ordinary Maoist etc attack that you will have to admit. 

Blaming Pakistan is ofcourse the only avenue here

It's not a joke that the PM has pointed at use of Pakistani soil for these operations at a time when their external affairs minister is touring India. One of the terrorists arrested is a Pakistani national. The terrorists reached Mumbai on a ship which apparently was coming from Karachi - the MD Alpha. 

if the head of the Indian Anti-Terror squad did know of this, he has taken it to the grave with him. 

He was a brave officer, he got a death threat two days earlier and still lead his team into the encounter. The country is proud of him and all its security personnel. 

Yes there has been violence against the minorities but it was purely politically motivated and they were shameful acts. But at the same time Muslims have enjoyed equal status in the country. APJ Abdul Kalam was the President of the country and was surely the finest. The Muslims, even in Kashmir, want to be a part of the society and want to take part in the democratic processes of the country just like any other community and this was evident from the impressive voter turnout in Jammu & Kashmir last week. 

Well lets not go and confuse the ISI with the Pakistani people here, 

The country is proud of him and all its security personnel. 

Hmm that Indian pride, not that I am against it, but it would appear that it is a possible motive. 

As for the report on a ship coming from Karachi, I dont have much confidence in this report, The Indian Navy claimed to have sunk a Somali Pirate Mother ship too, the other day, Well it was a mother ship but sadly it was a Thai fishing boat mother ship, Lucky for the PM that the Thai's have their own problems at the moment, so this international incident will likely go unreported. 

The evidence is that this was an internal affair, and the further this unfolds, the more I am leaning towards the explanation that this is a case of Indian pride and a reactionary movement against western meddling in Indian affairs, particularly in relation to the USA and those warships and nuclear technology sharing arrangement. I have always felt that this was a bad deal for India, and I think some Indian nationals must also share this belief. The USA needed India here more than India needed the USA. 

Well lets not go and confuse the ISI with the Pakistani people here, 

I never did that. The people of Pakistan also want peace, prosperity and progress in the region but the ISI has some other motives. 

The vessel was in control of the pirates and it attacked the Indian Navy ship and that's why the Navy ship counter attack and sank the ship. Obviously there was some misunderstanding on Indian Navy's part. Let's see what the investigations tell us about the ship from Pakistan. Abu Ismail (linked to LeT a terror group founded and operating from Pakistan), the terrorist who has been captured hails from the town Faridkot, Pakistan and one of the terrorists who called a news station had an accent commonly found in north west areas of Pakistan. 

I cannot understand what the nuclear deal has to do with this attack. Terrorism in India is not a new thing India has been suffering from it for 20 years it's just that the Western government couldn't see it. The terrorists are talking about Israel's treatment of Palestine Muslims, Kashmir and the Gujarat riots. 

According to me the nuclear deal isn't about energy it's about maintaining the power balance in the South Asia region. Both India and US need to counter rise of China it's in the best interest of both the countries. 

Well said, Mridul Chadha. May India prevail decisively against these insane and sick pakistani terrorists, and provide reliable counter-weight to amoral communist china, while the West continue to build stronger relationships with the world's largest democracy!

Well Mridul Chadha we are not talking about Naxi's here, this is very different. It appears that the Deccan Herald did warn of this attack two months ago. 

As for reducing the argument to the Nuclear deal, lets not forget those dud warships. Its not just a Nuclear deal, it one of those package deals, where you get a surprise in every box, usually unpleasant ones. 

As for the fallacious argument about the "expansion of "Red" China, the Idea that nuclear technology is somehow a counter weight against this is ridiculous. If India was serious about being a counter weight to China India would do something about the poverty and unemployment there. India's biggest enemy ie in regards to expansion of other states, is the lack of consumer power of the Indian working class. Until these people can form a consumer base that can drive local production of quality goods, India will never be in a position to compete with China. 

If India was serious about being a counter weight to China India would do something about the poverty and unemployment there. India's biggest enemy ie in regards to expansion of other states, is the lack of consumer power of the Indian working class. Until these people can form a consumer base that can drive local production of quality goods, India will never be in a position to compete with China. 

You talked about the economics anf forgot about China's military strength. China has been assisting Pakistan to keep India on the back foot. India and China need to be equal in all regards economic, military etc. for the stability of both the nations and the world. 

It's not just the Deccan Herald that published this story it was all over the networks and newspapers. The very next day the mastermind of those attacks and many other members of the Indian Mujaheddin were killed or captured; the group is believed to be inactive now. This is another group which is using the name Deccan Mujaheddin but there's nothing of this sort. The terrorist arrested in Pakistani national, the terrorists have foreign accent and several calls were made to and received from Karachi before and during the attacks. 

You talked about the economics anf forgot about China's military strength. China has been assisting Pakistan to keep India on the back foot. India and China need to be equal in all regards economic, military etc. for the stability of both the nations and the world. 

Really this is just nonsense, Why cant India stand on its own, Wasn't 100 years of the East India Co. enough? do you really want to go back to those days? 

They only way this statement of your can be interpreted is that India want to be a player in the Great Game, Well dont get me wrong, I say go for it, but dont hitch that wagon to the USA or the UK, remember what happened last time India did that. 

If you are trying to argue that the yellow hordes will pour over the border into India, then I think you are seriously delusional. China cant even control what they have. If you are talking about resource exploitation, then that is another matter, A Kosovo style squabble over Tibet, or an Indian incursion into Afghanistan etc etc is different, but I have doubts about how India will fair in a game of imperialist striving. Dont you think India should fix up its own house first ? 

This terrorism is not home grown you would be knowing this if you knew that India has been facing it for last 20 years. India needs to counter China because of its motives, because it has been using Pakistan to fire shots at India - explain its recent nuclear deal with Pakistan. Tibet has never been India's part so no question of any squabble, incursion into Afghanistan - don't know where that come from. India and China have disputes over boundaries and they have had a war in 1962, neither of them trust each other.

Well that boundary has some pretty interesting Geography, anyway We shall see if Lashkar-e-Tayyiba had anything to do with it, and if so that is very worrying. They have a strong international base, and have been peaceful up until now. 

 Tibet has never been India's part so no question of any squabble, incursion into Afghanistan 

Well it comes from your eluding to India's imperialist striving. 

Well it comes from your eluding to India's imperialist striving. 

Your wish whatever you wanna call it. 

The terrorists arrested have spilled out this:

• They had been training in Karachi for last 5 months.
• LeT wanted to revive its old glory and wanted to show the world that they are still capable of carrying out attacks like these.
• LeT hoped that an operation like this would revive the flow of cash which has dried up due to American pressure on Pakistan government to act against the terror groups. 

How very interesting, and convenient, but assuming this is not a lie, to divert suspicion from some internal dispute, I wonder who their handlers are? LeT being accused would explain why they were after UK passport holders, after what UK intel services did in  Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. 

Curiously the Russians seem to be remarkably well informed on this matter. Russian intel has put out a number of accurate reports on this, they seem to be the first ones to link it to LeT. IU would take this as independent confirmation for now anyway. 

its all because of bad treatment of muslims

Ever heard of APJ Abdul Kalam or Azim Premji. Yes there have been riots and violence against the minorities but they all were politically motivated and those were shameful acts. 

so it seems their internal problem..not external

One of the terrorists arrested is a Pakistani national. Internal problem, yes sure. The terrorists are talking about Israel and Kashmir, they are holding Israeli nationals hostage.  

they can only help by dropping bombs there too

They are busy dropping bombs somewhere else i think they should continue to concentrate in that region only becuase that is where most of the terrorists are present. 

"This type of RANDOM Terror is unexcusable."

Here's more information about the "random" terror attacks that India has suffered: A look at some major attacks in India