Bush faces historic pardon choice

Bush is a a worm so there is no doubt he will pardon those who lied,stole,cheated,tortured, and exposed government secrets and operatives at his bidding. We might not be able to convict them for everything that they have done but Bush isn't bright enough to pardon them for everything and long before the Statute of Limitations expires we can find some reason to put his minions behind bars where they and Bush belong.

The highest elected political position in the land is the President. He will pardon everyone that helped him cover up, lie, deceive, set up smoke and mirrors and direct money into the pockets of his cronies. Bush came to the White House as an oil man with a history of failed banks. He was in the middle of the S & L Scandals of the 80's along side his brother Neil and Brother Jeb. They made their money the old fashioned way; they stole it or defrauded millions of people out of it. Silverado Savings and Loan is not a fantasy, folks. Yes, Clinton pardoned many folks upon his exit from DC, but he came to the White House from much more meager beginnings than did George W. Bush and he did not have the type or size of scandals on his record as does Bush. It is not a time to sniffle about all of the pardons that Bush will issue. Let him cover up and pardon all the sin he likes, just be glad he is gone.

I have a novel idea. How about all you libs who think these a-holes in the middle east are basically misunderstood should really take your next vacation over there. Preferably in one of the more radical countries. Feel free to try and share your views of support with them.

Maybe in your few remaining minutes on this earth you will finally come to realize your stupidity.

Let's see, he's going to pardon people that chased and captured or killed terrorists that want YOU dead. He's going to possibly pardon people that "water boarded" people that is actually quite harmless, other than creating a moment of panic (and yes I've been water boarded so I know exactly what it is). He's going to pardon people that I'm sure you'll hate the idea of just because it's "Bush", so anything he does is beyond hateful. The way you people are, if he pardoned Clinton you'd applaud it and still hate Bush.

And he'll look at his pardons for the country, as opposed to Clinton who SOLD his pardons for money and votes.

Clinton "did not have the type or size of scandals on his record as does Bush"???  How about lying to a grand jury AND a Federal judge? How about lying to EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN about playing around with Lewinski?  How about selling his pardon for Rich to get money for his "library"? How about pardoning FALN terrorists so Hillary could get the Puerto Rican/New York votes?

And what "type and size" scandals does Bush have? Other then your hate of course.

The wonderful thing about the pardon is that as much as you and Nadler want to cry, there isn't one single solitary thing you can do about it!!

Cry on libs, he's going to pardon people that protected you, as much as you seem to have not wanted that protection.

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Fortunately, time is humankind's inappropriate attempt at dividing up eternity which, when taken into account in this thread categorizes these arguments as the pale ruminations of nothing more than simple cognitive dissonance. The left-leaners cannot stand anyone telling them what to do and the right-leaners hicchup over anyone attacking their "personally established cultural rights".

Perhaps one might suggest to the adherents of both sides that they read about such controversy as surrounded President Adams' "Alien and Sedition Acts", or President Wilson's multiple invasions of Mexico and those pesky Central American banana republics, or (ah, but the list goes on and on in our Presidential history).

In short, every President of our country has had the opportunity and has often chosen to execute his (notice we still need to redress the issue of having never risen to the level of strength to place a "her" in the President's chair), Constitutional right to grant such pardons. GWB just happens to be the next President to have that opportunity. What he does with it is his right, and his alone. Next up with be President-Elect Obama following one or two terms in office and so on and so forth. 

The president's power to grant pardons is absolute. That does not justify preemptive pardons and I hope Bush does not go there.

Dan #79...Here is a wonderful site that has been working endlessly to get our border agents freed! It is: grassfire.org  Please check it out; they need all the support they can get!

Bush is a criminal and he and his staff of crooks are no different than the gangs that feed on the misery of the poor folks whose neighborhoods they live in.  The only difference is that Bush and his thugs wear suits and ties and kill thousands more worldwide.

"Every time a Republican is convicted, an angel gets its wings."

Waterboarding?Anybody watch the videos on Al jazeera of Americans being beheaded with a knife.If waterboarding or wiretapping Arabs gets intelligence,that prevents even one Americans death,it is worthwhile.

Wonder how many pardons will be on the table in 4 years?

My comment about the pardons are this and that is i think that Barry Bonds and all the rest of the baseball players that the Grand Jury has under their thumbs should all be pardoned and in fact if they really need someone to blame all this drug use then it should be the idiot Commissioner of Baseball Bud Selig because it took enough time to discover that they had a drug use problem in baseball.  Good example is Steve Howe he went through 6 Rehab Programs before the Baseball Guru's decided that they shouldn't let him play anymore.  At that point why didn't they put some kind of drug testing program but NO it took them until the 2005 Baseball Season before anything come up and by that time Bud Selig's Buddy Hank Aaron had set a record and then Barry Bonds was set to break it and then they decided that they needed a drug program for baseball.  They keep using Barry Bonds body what he look like as a rookie with Pittsburgh and then the size of him this past year. Sure he is going to be bigger he's alot older it size is the factor then they need to take a look at Hank Aaron when he first started and when he retired.  If you are going to give out pardons then give them to all the baseball player's under this curtain of drug use set by the Grand Jury and Bud Selig.  Pardon them all and get the Grand Jury back to doing something that is needed in this country and that is more close look at the judicial system as of right now it stinks.

Pardon?  What a joke.  The real joke is that you/we can clamor all we want about our government and what we might consider proper or improper, right or wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that these little forums never get heard.  You think the President, Congress, any of these self serving tsars give a rats ass about what you or I think?  No. This country is going down the tubes and it's a shame.  It's not about the pardon, per se, it's about the pardon bothering so many people yet the issue gets neglected as they know it always will.  In other words.....tough @!$%#, we'll do what we want, who is going to stop us.  Nice way to treat your fellow countrymen.  Politicians are so warm and careing around election time, but when that's over.......we get the finger!  Well pardon me for saying so.......

But Bush said of Weinberger and the others accused in the Iran-contra episode, “their motivation — whether their actions were right or wrong — was patriotism.”

The ends do not justify the means.

Should Spies: Hansen-Agee-Nicholson be Pardoned...???

Should VietNam War Draft-Dodgers been Pardon...Ask The 58,000Plus Victim's and Their Surviving Family Member's...???

Should Only E-6 and Below Be Tried and Sentenced To Hard Labor at Ft LevenWorth, KS...for Abu Grahib, etc- Alledged WaterBoarding, etc...& Not The Generals-Major's-Captain's, etc...???

Just ask The Returning Severely Wounded Military Uniformed Men & Women...!!!

"Extremism in the defense of freedom is no Vice.  Moderation in the pursuit of liberty is not a virtue".  

Should The British Generals and Other Underlings been Pardoned For Executing Patrick Henry...???

Should Nazi's That Escaped Trial at Nuremberg be Pardoned For Their Inhuman Treatment Of Jews during WWII...???

Should Japanese Soldiers During WWII on Burma who Forced Marched POW's Hundred's of Miles, and Forced These Same Men to Build The Bridge Over The River Kwai...Be Pardoned..???

Panty Waist's Who Clamour Against: Waterboarding-Sleep Depravation-and other Non Invasive Means To Obtain Information From Captured Soldiers during Operation Eduring Freedom...Should Reread Their History Books...To Fully Grasp--Just What Is and Isn't Torture...!!!

Furthermore, Get use to The Stark Reality That What Our Nation's Military Interrigator's use or Don't Use Is Substantially Less Inhuman Than What American Enemies Used-Use Likliy Will Use...On US---So Get On Board and Quit being a Passive Idiot...!!!

Presidential Pardon's is The Final Executive Action Given To Our OutGoing President By Our Constitution's Framers....!!!

"would the Democratic-controlled Congress pass a constitutional amendment to limit presidents' pardon power?" This is an impossible assertion. Don't these guys have editors? Who hired this guy to write? Why did I finish reading his article? This isn't media elite, this is media slacker....

Interesting and vigorous debate on Ramos and Campean.  I think there is enough both inside and outside the investigation, prosecution and trial of the two border guards to suggest (if not prove) prosecutorial misconduct.  Anyone who has been a cop (as I have) knows that the standard in using deadly force is what a reasonable person would have done under the same circumstances given the knowledge that he had at the time.  In other words, it is not dispositive whether or not the convicted drug smuggler actually had a gun, if a reasonable person standing in Ramos or Campean's shoes would have thought that he did at the time.  There is credible evidence that both agents reasonable thought that the smuggler was armed.  Further, there is evidence of perjured testimony used against the border guards.  Finally, Johnny Sutton, the U.S. Attorney (and not coincidentally long time Texas political crony/puppet of Bush) committed significant prosecutorial misconduct during the prosecution.  Unfortunately, as most attorneys will tell you (and I am one), proving prosecutorial misconduct on appeal is extremely difficult, particularly when you have to go outside the trial record.  The bottom line is that the prosecution of Ramos and Campean has all the earmarks of political persecution grounded in Bush's root desire to ignore the border problem in favor of marrying the U.S. and Mexican economies.  If Bush pardons either of them, he risks unsettling the carefully orchestrated process of eradicating our national sovereignty in favor of an American Union, patterned after the European Union -- a process quietly championed by his father.  When all is said and done, W is his father's son.

The United States is currently 53 trillion dollars in debt. thanks to the Bush Administration's corrupt leadership for the past eight years.  Go to brasschecktv.com and click on the video The Future of the US economy to see a great video on pre-2008 election US economic data.  Decide for youself, will the United States clean up its debt. deficit or will our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren be paying the debt off for us, resulting in low standards of living (?) for themselves and their families, (if they can afford families), for future generations.