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Joy King laughs at the stereotype of the porn king as a skeevy guy in gold neck chains, a paunch and the sunglasses Elliott Gould wore in “Ocean’s Eleven.”
“There is still this perception that [the porn industry] is all run by men, and not very nice men,” said King, who is vice president of special projects at major adult film company Wicked Pictures. “It is not widely known how many women executives there are in this industry.”
King, the woman who helped turn Jenna Jameson into a brand, proves her own point. For years she has been a leading figure in the world of “adult,” as it is commonly known, but hardly anyone outside that world has ever heard of her.
People have heard of Christie Hefner, of course, Hugh’s daughter who runs Playboy. But from the owner of the small adult store near you, to video directors, to promoters, to online porn purveyors, women have quietly become integral to the world of adult entertainment in ways that have nothing to do with wearing stripper heels and a big smile.
One of the earliest pioneers of Internet naughtiness was a woman named Danni Ashe who built her own small digital empire in the early ‘90s.
The co-owner of one of the nation’s top producers of X-rated movies, Digital Playground, is a woman who goes by the name Samantha Lewis. A mother, married to a Los Angeles television personality, Lewis used to work in real estate before investing in porn.
Susan Colvin, who trained for a career in public administration, owns one of the “Big Five” sex-toy makers, California Exotic Novelties.
Former performer Candida Royalle started and runs her own production company, Femme, to make X-rated movies for the “couples” market. She also endorses a line of sex toys.
Diane Duke, once an executive with Planned Parenthood, now runs the Free Speech Coalition, the public policy umbrella organization that advocates for the adult industry. Many other women work in upper and middle management. Some have struck out on their own to create Web sites, others have started porn’s version of “indie” movie outfits.
Having such women in charge might help lift the taboo that, as King says, “sort of lays like a mist over the adult industry,” but it is not likely to cool the fervor of anti-porn feminists. And, while female executives and owners say they hope to bring new perspectives to erotica so that performers receive better treatment, the product improves and there is less misogyny, they may be hindered by economics.
Surprisingly, many women who work in the business say they don’t like porn — at least not the porn that takes up most of the shelf space in adult stores or is downloaded from the Internet. They do not object for moral reasons, they just think it’s a crummy product and often far too misogynistic.
Even King, who likes and watches porn even when it’s not part of her job, finds a lot of “adult entertainment” neither very adult nor entertaining, especially the types like the “Girls Gone Wild” genre that, she says, takes advantage of drunken girls. She defends it on free speech grounds but that doesn’t mean she likes it.
Some women are trying to instill change using as leverage the fact that porn is one industry that can’t exist without females (which is why women performers almost always make more money than men and call their male counterparts “furniture”).
Being called ‘traitor’
But good intentions and economic empowerment certainly do not mollify anti-porn feminists. “I think the nicest word they have ever used to describe me is ‘brainwashed,’” said veteran performer and business owner Nina Hartley. “Usually it’s more like ‘traitor.’”
An organization called Stop Porn Culture, a group of academics and activists who believe that “patriarchal, capitalist society” fosters porn, states that regardless of who is in charge, many female performers “are under a variety of constraints such as economic hardship and a perceived lack of options. … We are critical of the industry that exploits these women, not the women themselves.”
King finds this 30-year-old argument unconvincing. “If you look at a single mom trying to put herself through college, and she works at a strip club, is she a victim? She’s found a way to earn more than she could waiting tables, working three jobs. I don’t see anything wrong with it.”
University of California Santa Barbara film studies professor Constance Penley, who studies the adult industry, agreed. Name an industry that’s different, she said. Because porn involves sex it is subject to what Penley calls “exceptionalism.” It is not judged in the bigger cultural context. But it should be. “You have to ask: Does it have more drug abuse or more suicides, more incidents of girls being sexually abused as children, more cosmetic surgery than Hollywood, TV, the recording industry?” she said. The answer, she pointed out, is probably not. So why pick on sex movies?
All business
Still, having more women signing the paychecks does not necessarily mean the industry as a whole is better for female performers. This is because there is no such thing as “the industry,” just as there is no such thing as “the media.” The sex business has become wildly diffuse thanks to digital technology, pirated downloads and the ease of distribution. There are probably more producers of porn who exist outside industry organizations that try to set standards and police the business than inside them.
“We’re competing with the guy with the camcorder who bought it for $993 at Circuit City, who’s got his girlfriend and somebody else and they’re gonna shoot it and have sex and put it on the Internet,” director Kelly Holland told a Women in Film forum last year.
There are literally tens of thousands of “productions” made each year in the U.S. alone, and most of these are not coming from the bigger companies like the ones Holland works for.
This matters because while more executives may be women, Penley said, “it is, first and foremost, a business.” At the moment, business is lousy. Profits have dropped under the onslaught of the same forces hurting newspapers, book publishers and music companies.
“It is worse than the last recession,” King said. “We have rising fuel costs, the price of DVD cases tripled and we cannot pass that on and we have a very competitive industry.” More important, the Internet is stuffed with free, often pirated, porn. Margins are now so bad that some companies have laid off workers or shut their doors.
Costly seduction
That inescapable fact works against changes women have tried to make in the products they produce and sell. For example, several groups of women have tried to create explicit productions, whether for cable TV, online distribution or DVD purchase and rental that appeal specifically to a female sensibility. But aside from Candida Royalle’s Femme series, which gets a big boost by being distributed through mail order giant Adam and Eve, such efforts have been slow to take hold.
They may never take hold. Sensuality, seduction, plot, even good lighting can cost money. “The bulk of pornography is being produced for $17,000,” Holland told the forum. “My budgets are $60,000 for a day-and-a-half shoot. We do two movies in three days and each budget is approximately $60,000. That is astronomically high right now.”
So while more women are calling the shots, they have to respond to a market of primarily male consumers, many of whom find plots simply a waste of time.
Many producers have to crank out sex scenes and most non-star performers have to appear in a lot of them to make any money.
Just because Jenna Jameson got rich doesn’t mean others will. In fact, there will probably never be another Jenna.
“The average lifespan of a porn star now is anywhere from six months to three years, tops,” Sharon Mitchell, who runs the Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation, said in an interview with legal scholars for a 2006 article in the Vanderbilt Journal of Entertainment and Technology Law. “Then they’ve got no money … they think the money’s not going to end, so they get a boob job and a Ferrari.”
Mitchell, herself a former actress, told the authors said that agents “are now recruiting people from, literally, the middle of the country [who] are 18 years old who haven’t remotely had any type of sex, let alone the type of sex they’re probably going to have tomorrow.” Too often, she said, “agents run them into the ground” signing them to make too many sex scenes, and that can lead to STDs.
Female directors, producers and owners know all this and say they work to fight it, partly by turning away young women they think are ill prepared. A few have suggested that producers should hire women who are at least 21, rather than 18.
“Do I like sleazy guys trying to take advantage of girls?” King said. “No. Nobody does.” But they argue that tarring the entire adult world with the actions of some is like judging the entire television business by a guy eating animal guts on “Fear Factor.”
When women are making the decisions, they say, things are often different. Performers at King’s Wicked Pictures can choose their male partners, demand condoms and command comparatively high salaries.
“We have been criticized by men in the business who say, ‘Oh, you baby the girls, you pamper them too much,” said Shoosh (who uses one name), co-owner of Triangle Films, a small producer of lesbian-themed erotica. “I never set out to baby or pamper. I am just a mothering kind of person.” Others, such as Lewis of Digital Playground, insist they are careful to coach actresses about the potential pitfalls of the industry.
Wicked makes about one movie per week, King said, and she watches every one for content. “If I’m offended by it, I am certainly going to say something and try to have it taken out of the movie.”
Still, as business owner Hartley explained, having a woman run the show is no guarantee of a workers’ paradise or a different kind of product. Women, she said, can be jerks, men can be gems. “It’s not a question of gender. If being a feminist means anything at all it means judging the content of character not the gonads they possess.”
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{"commentId":4272548,"authorDomain":"zombiegirl7"}
Am I the only one who is completely disgusted here?
Traitor? Yeah, that about sums it up. These women are the exact reason why women like me and countless others are still seen as objects, and DO NOT LIKE IT. Women and men in the sex industry are destroying all of the hard work that feminists have been doing all this time. So much of the progress we've made is being wiped out by these people. And I know that it is so very hip to support porn now, because feminism is oh so very boring, had to find a way to spice it up, right? Yeah, now its empowering to be everything that a sleazy man or woman wants you to be! Give in to everything we've fought against! Everything we have fought so hard to get out of. So, if I were african-american, would it be cool to let someone purchase me as an object and force me to work in their fields all day while they sit on their fat, rich butt? No, it wouldn't. And you people ARE brainwashed.
It was hard enough when men were the only ones degrading us, and now our fellow women are doing the same thing. I'm sickened by this whole entire article.
To everyone who may read this comment- I recommend a book for you- the title: Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture by Ariel Levy. Absolute genius!
Am I anti-man? No, I'm very deeply in love with a wonderful man who is a bit of a feminist himself. And I understand that men are sometimes taken advantage of and ogled by strange women, and they don't like it either. So many women think that by becoming more like men, that it will solve something, or make them feel better about being stared at in the grocery store, or about having been raped. Or maybe they're just plain sleazy. But two wrongs do not make a right ladies. By sinking to their level, you're just as terrible as they are. And you are only feuling and furthering the problem of sexism in the world.
Am I anti-sex? Of course not. I just wish it meant more to people. That it was something deeper, not to be shared with strangers. Because that was what it was always meant to be, something more. And the sex industry, the world's sex industry- not just in America, it exists everywhere, and some countries actually have it much, much worse- it has ruined all that. And now women are expected to flash for beads, sleep with whoever may ask, let strangers touch them, or at least ogle them, its really nothing, right? No just her dignity, nothing important.
You may be thinking, "must be an anti-porn feminist." DAMN STRAIGHT.
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#1 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 10:56 AM EST{"commentId":4273085,"authorDomain":"erichatch"}
Except for your last capitalized comments, I agree with you. For me, Feminism is about seeing women as equal reflections of the Image of God. Hopefully, mention of God doesn't turn you off, but the Bible describes the creation of humans this way: God "created them, male and female/ In the Image of God, he created them." You and your sisters show me more about who God is.
Look at my comment further along in the discussion. Plainly put, Pornography is a drug, it destroys people's ability to function without it, and it makes it difficult to find pleasure outside of it. I thank God everyday that He rescued me out of it.
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{"commentId":4273334,"authorDomain":"lakeworthguy"}
Am I the only one who is completely disgusted here?
No, there are plenty of other puritans in America who see porn of any sort as evil for no logical reason.
Because that was what it was always meant to be, something more
Uhmmm...no, it never was like that until religion and the ownership of women came into play in society.
Eric: If you are weak and cannot handle the "drug", I admire your strength to pull away from it, but to condemn it for all just because YOU could not handle yourself, then..well, that's just plain silly.
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{"commentId":4274685,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
hhhhmmmmmmm....
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{"commentId":4276145,"authorDomain":"chris-kelly1"}
Your husband sounds like he gets his nails done, and has no sac.
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{"commentId":4276243,"authorDomain":"chris-kelly1"}
And this is your statement from another thread: (you idiot)
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{"commentId":4277120,"authorDomain":"dmitryb"}
Riddle me this: why showing a single sagging boob on prime time TV is worse than showing people's heads blown off in a movie? Why showing people having sex on TV is worse than showing people killing each other? Why is there this illogical limitation on the filming and showing of different ways people use their body parts? I.e. if I shove a finger into my nose, that's OK to show on TV, yet if I shove it into the vagina of a consenting adult woman - that's not OK.
>> Your husband sounds like he gets his nails done, and has no sac.
+1. My wife would divorce me if I were a "feminist". :-)
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{"commentId":4277614,"authorDomain":"benetegiii"}
You are not alone in your feeling of disgust. Many Americans feel the same way. I am not taking from you how you feel. You feel that way for so many reasons, and many of them are completely hidden to you. But women in this country are increasing ridiculed for wanting to be sexy or desiring to flaunt their sexuality. And the discussion as to who is the traitor to the sex can only be addressed subjectively. Truly, is it wrong to be sexual or flaunt your nature? Why is ok for men to flaunt their virility? We have stadiums dedicated to watching men punish each other in a demonstration of faux war and testosterone domination. We can go round and round on the balance of this argument, but I would propose a different view. You as a woman are weaker and degraded when you allow a man or another woman to tell you what you can or should not do with your body, your nature, or your life. And I mean that in all areas of your life. I would argue for your right to be conservative in the same breath as I would argue for your right to be liberal. Being a woman can be a powerful thing, but living under the domination of morality will only serve to make you a slave to men. Do dogs enjoy their position in the family, probably...but mostly because it is easier than being the wolf. Each choice has its effect.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":4278838,"authorDomain":"zomzom"}
Have to disagree with you, SmittenKitten. A good friend of mine began as a dominatrix, moved into porn and now produces it. She is a strong supporter of feminism and an activist.
I've never understood the fight that your feminism has with the pro-sex feminists. You should go meet some of them. Go see what their lives are like. They are not repressed, are not repressing others, and sure-as-hell don't hold inferior positions for being women.
Traitor? Yeah, that about sums it up. These women are the exact reason why women like me and countless others are still seen as objects, and DO NOT LIKE IT.
I don't think this is accurate. Or, at least, that it doesn't have to be accurate. Some porn does objectify women. But plenty simply objectifies people, without any kind of gender bias. Plenty of porn is gender-equal in its intent to get you off. More isn't--I certainly agree. But that doesn't mean that all porn is that way. You should check out some of the porn that these women are making. Plenty of it is plenty good.
You don't have to like porn. That's perfectly fine. Maybe watching other people have sex is disgusting to you, and that's a perfectly acceptable sentiment. But there isn't anything morally degrading about sex, nor is there about watching other people do it, when it is their desire to be watched and your desire to watch them.
This porn isn't being made in gulags. These women aren't forced into it (at least, not the ones I've met). And a lot of the female porn-stars turned execs are hardcore feminists, putting real money and power into the hands of women who are at the head of huge corporations. Isn't that exactly what we want? So what if it's this industry? It's a start, and a big one.
Am I anti-sex? Of course not. I just wish it meant more to people. That it was something deeper, not to be shared with strangers.
That's an admirable sentiment, but I don't think that it has anything to do with feminism.
Why can't I just enjoy sex, without objectifying someone or, at least, without letting it color my outlook? I have loved women before, but don't have to be in love to feel horny, and the same is true of plenty of women.
I'm not suggesting that your feelings are wrong, about wanting sex to be more meaningful. That's perfectly respectable. But it is not destructive to feminism to suggest that two consenting adults, who enjoy each others' physical company, can safely have sex and enjoy it, in whatever way they want. It does objectify women, but it objectifies men, too. When it's done as an act of volition, when the point is to objectify both the man and the woman, and then walk away friends, what is wrong with that?
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{"commentId":4287796,"authorDomain":"zombiegirl7"}
To Ronald McDonald, the childish moron, I assume that you were attempting to refer to my comment on "No Communion for Obama Supporters", where I said that a woman should be able to do whatever she wants with her body- referring to abortion, right? And I DO believe that a woman is completely entitled to do what she wants, the big problem with the current subject that we are discussing now is that most women have grown up seeing advertisements posted everywhere of "sexy" women, or they've been sexually abused, they're following the trends, want to be admired or they're just making poor choices a lot of the time. I'm not saying that all women in the sex industry or the modeling industry, or even girls and women on the street are doing these jobs or dressing skanky and sleeping around simply because of any of these things, but some are. And we're all just here to post our opinions, and from what I've read of yours, you don't really have one, you don't even have a point. You're only here to annoy. And that is so pathetic, grow up and get a life.
I'm just glad to see one comment opposing my view that wasn't completely ridiculous. I respect your opinions Zom Zom. And I know what you mean, I know of many feminists whose opinions and views on the subject differ from mine greatly, there are many different types of feminism, and this is what I am.
And just to clarify- I am not religious. I don't feel the way I do about this subject because of God or any religion at all. It is simply my opinion, don't like it, that is fine by me, but don't be childish people.
And last- to Mr Eatpoo- I would never "spread like peanut butter" as you so delicately put it. There is no price tag on me, any part of me. And as a matter of fact, I hate money. I understand that it is necessary for survival, and that is what I use it for, necessities. And I don't care for objects either. I won't try to defend my looks to you or anyone else, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I don't care what anyone thinks of me. I think I'm beautiful and I get compliments and sadly, the sleazy looks from strange eyes, but those compliments and looks don't come from everyone. Would they come from you or anyone else in this room? Maybe, but do I care? Not at all. I have someone who tells me that I'm beautiful and sexy every single day, and that is all that I need.
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{"commentId":6687759,"authorDomain":"max-minosanchez"}
I think you should all SHUT THE F UP! and stop telling women and men what to do because you think it is what needs to be done it is their very own choice, you speak of tolerance!!! shppish!!!!Tolerance is a joke!! only if it benefits you and your lively hood!!! by tolerance I presume you mean respect? Respect is choosing to respect ones choice actions, character, doesn't mean you have to like it or the person. please!!! People have their fetishes and that's why porn is there has always been there and will always be there no matter what!!! that's why we have a thing called SEXUAL PREFERENCES!! my wife and I watch porn all the time, its great!!! though she doesn't want me watching without her, which is fine. Though porn takes out all the truth of making love and we know that. women always think and say they are powerless, when the women are the most powerful because she is the GATEKEEPER!! we'll do anything you asks us to do for it, LOL!!!!
A good example would be, its sexist of women thinking a man isn't good to raise a child because he is a man, he can't do what mothers do?
women and men are equal and unequal in certain characteristics and thats what makes us attracted to each other in our similarities and our differences, we are a team, without each other we fail. I love women, I don't know what I would do without my wife
I think you should read this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30332998/about sexuall myths, its hilarious.
you need to accept people for who they are and keep your nose out of other peoples business, because people can't change people. they change themselves if they want to.
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{"commentId":4272576,"authorDomain":"erichatch"}
I once was ensnared by pornography's lies. I used to steal it from the local drug store, and I thought it was a great thrill. It fooled me into thinking I had sexy women to be with. However, when I came back to reality, I was alone. Porn, in my opinion, gave me license to treat women as sex objects. It still effects me, although I have not touched it (or any online sex experience) for six years. Thank God, my wife knows about my past and accepts me. We have two great children together, after two c-sections. However, she is very conscious of how she looks, partially because I have seen fictitiously "sex-crazed hotties".
Performers at King’s Wicked Pictures can choose their male partners, demand condoms and command comparatively high salaries.
Regardless of how "empowered" these women are, they are prostitutes. How can I say this? Condoms are only necessary with penetration. If there is penetration, they are being paid to have REAL SEX. So, what separates a hooker on the street from the porn star on film? It's not the camera! Nothing separates them -- one has a semi-legal status in the USA, and the other does not.
I don't think it's possible to have a committed relationship with someone who is a porn star. I want to hear about any pornographer or participant who has had a steady relationship for more than seven years. Lifetime commitment?! Now that would be unbelievable.
Women like this are trying to use me and other men by getting us sexually charged and leaving us to deal with the consequences. It's about the money they get from us.
At the moment, business is lousy. Profits have dropped under the onslaught of the same forces hurting newspapers, book publishers and music companies.
Well, there's an unintended blessing resulting from internet filth. Hopefully, it will soon be impossible for anyone to make a fortune on pornography. And with the help of Internet Filtering, active parenting, and REAL love... my son won't be ensnared by these perveyors of absolute junk, and my daugher won't believe the lie that she has to be sexy to be attractive.
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#2 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 10:57 AM EST{"commentId":4273875,"authorDomain":"usalolwtf"}
Please don't bring that bible bs into this. The problem is humans, as usual, and money. This problem can be traced back to the government/us treasury and back to the loop hole in the justice system. Anyone see a growing trend here or are you all still blinded by smoke and mirrors? Everyone has their price. Everyone, including you, smittenkitten. I bet if I sweet talked you and offered you more money every time we spoke youd eventually spread like peanut butter. That is unless you are physically unattractive by societies standards and thats why you are angry at men for looking at women like objects, because they don't give you the same attention that they give other women. I have news for you. Even really physically attractive women complain about being looked at like an object. So why then do they wear low cut shirts and skirts so short you can practically see their ovaries?
Quite honestly, I'm not impressed with any of these exec womens "accomplishments". Its not hard to be the popular woman on the block when you are sucking and f**king everyone dry.
Much like anything else though the sick thing is how the government has set up the rules for porn. Porn is no different than prostitution. The only reason prostitution is illegal is because the government can't regulate it so they can get their share of the money. Much like marijuana.
If you want to fix something that is broken you need to start by fixing the main source of the problem which in this case is humans, mostly the united states government. Eliminate the government and you eliminate the problem.
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#3 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:13 PM EST{"commentId":4274516,"authorDomain":"piglizard420"}
Your screen name suggests that you probably visit fetish sites. But, really, to blame the United States government for the spread of porn. Pornography was here way before this country existed.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":4275472,"authorDomain":"usalolwtf"}
I didn't say they were entirely to blame, Mr. Illiteratepig.
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{"commentId":4315819,"authorDomain":"Stu-4803409"}
Rofl, with a screen name like that I just can't take you seriously.
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{"commentId":4273914,"authorDomain":"schmadrian"}
"Hopefully, it will soon be impossible for anyone to make a fortune on pornography."
Oh? How do you imagine this will happen?
Let me as well as you this: as we learned about the efficacy of controlling liquor during Prohibition (It didn't), can you at least admit that it's not the source you need to address, but the consumer? And if this is the case, how do you propose to remove the market for porn?
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- 1 vote
#4 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:15 PM EST{"commentId":4274294,"authorDomain":"kiro2317"}
HOLES
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- 1 vote
#5 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:38 PM EST{"commentId":4274562,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
Personally, I consider it always best to be on top!
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#6 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:52 PM EST{"commentId":4275679,"authorDomain":"kitkatrena"}
“Girls Gone Wild” genre that, she says, takes advantage of drunken girls.
You can't take advantage no matter how drunk they are. A ho, is a ho, is a ho!!!!
All porn is, is legalized pimps that sell sex, and the idiots who play the actors do no different than most couples do, except the actors stick a lot of blow up their noses. If you have to watch that to get horny, then something must really be wrong with you. Maybe you need to see a therapist.
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- 1 vote
#7 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 1:53 PM EST{"commentId":4275779,"authorDomain":"francaise1-1"}
I equate women in porn with stock market short sellers. They'd do anything for a dime.
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- 1 vote
#8 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:00 PM EST{"commentId":4275810,"authorDomain":"kitkatrena"}
I strongly agree with you. What's the old expression? " A dime a dozen?" That's including all the diseases that go with it.
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{"commentId":4275908,"authorDomain":"chris-kelly1"}
Lighten up you weirdos. Porn is great!
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- 4 votes
#9 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:09 PM EST{"commentId":4275936,"authorDomain":"chris-kelly1"}
Nothing wrong with healthy porn. If it is so bad, why is it such a huge industry? I bet those of you with a problem claim not to masturbate, or cheat on your spouses, or watch raunchy films. I love porn!
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#10 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:11 PM EST{"commentId":4277141,"authorDomain":"kitkatrena"}
I bet those of you with a problem claim not to masturbate, or cheat on your spouses, or watch raunchy films. I love porn!
Ronald Mcdonald, you just described yourself.
For your information, my husband and I have a very healthy sex life. I don't have to masturbate and neither does he. That's the way it's supposed to be in a relationship. We surely don't need to watch someone else having sex to get turned on. And as far as cheating goes, no man turns me on except my husband, EXCEPT Tim McGraw, (but that's only fantasy). How many husbands' can say that they go to sleep with their wives' touching them? washing them in the bathtub? Making them feel like they ARE the king of their castle? Of course, not many men deserve that kind of treatment. They can't get what they want at home, so they turn to pornos and masturbation and fantasize. It's really a sad thing.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":4277711,"authorDomain":"gregziglar"}
"Ronald McDonald," I agree. Nothing wrong with "healthy porn". (By healthy, I assume Ronald means consenting adults doing what comes naturally.)
"Just my opinion," congratulations on your great relationship with your husband! You are lucky!
I personally find violence, racism, intolerance, and stupidity much much more offensive than "healthy porn", although I really don't like porn, but to each his own!
It is weird that on TV, you can show dismemberments, but not a backside. Now, really, which of these 2 options are probably going to have the most negative impact on any of us?
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{"commentId":4278574,"authorDomain":"kitkatrena"}
Thank you Greg for your reply. You are correct to each his own, but every where you look you do see soft porn, Boobs and butt are in your face every day. I didn't get my lessons from watching porn, I take care of my husband because he deserves it, and I want to show my appreciation to him. If more women treated their' husbands like that and visa-verse, there wouldn't be a need for porn. I don't think that sex should be used as a business, it is supposed to be ONLY between two people who care for each other, and not for the entire world to watch. If it helps couples out then more power to them, but your body shouldn't be used as a tool for success, that really cheapens the phrase "making love".
And you are correct, there is WAY too much stupidity, violence, and racism in this world. Maybe if we could all get the good stuff at home it wouldn't be a problem.
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{"commentId":4283412,"authorDomain":"dmitryb"}
JMO, you probably just write this here, and sleep with your husband once a month, if that. Americans are way too stressed out to have healthy sex lives. That's what two weeks of vacation a year and constant overtime does to you.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":4291714,"authorDomain":"zombiegirl7"}
Dmitry: I think Americans are actually most likely having more sex with all of this stress.
And to Just My Opinion: Well said, I agree!
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{"commentId":4315860,"authorDomain":"Stu-4803409"}
The prudish wives on here are in total ignorance of their husbands activities. I assure you, if you aren't doing it at least 5x a week he is finding some outside stimulation somewhere... Hopefully its JUST porn.
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{"commentId":4356667,"authorDomain":"zombiegirl7"}
Haha! First of all, not everyone is like you. As my man has put it- "some of us think with more than our birthrights endowment." You obviously don't- but there are men out there who are just fine and dandy with being in a committed, monogamous relationship. They are few and far between, but they do exist. You, however, are just a simple-minded fool.
So, women who do not approve of porn, but are in happy dedicated relationships, in which they only have sex with their significant other, are prudes, right? Actually, wrong again. That comment just makes you stupid.
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{"commentId":4276054,"authorDomain":"chris-kelly1"}
Wow. And you are all so sparkling clean. Amazing how sex freaks out Americans, like it is some bad drug. The real freaks are people like you guys who supress the most natural thing in the world, f%^$*&^
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- 1 vote
#11 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:19 PM EST{"commentId":4276129,"authorDomain":"chris-kelly1"}
and there is nothing better than watching 2 (or 3 or 4) good looking people get it on! heck, my girlfriends and I film each other all the time, whats the big deal?
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- 1 vote
#12 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:24 PM EST{"commentId":4276534,"authorDomain":"marklutn"}
I'm going to stick my neck into the guillotine here and mention something positive about porn.
I'm a male first of all but please don't assume that I therefore view women as objects. In college I was was one of only 2 guys who took a women's lib class. The other was a friend whom I had talked into taking the class with me. That was in 1974. I've always loved women and held them in high regard. Even when I was a pre-teen and supposed to say eeeewwww to playing with girls I secretly liked them. I was very smart in school and it didn't take much to notice that so were most of the girls. Having said that, it's probably not going to be smart of me to say what I'm about to say.
As I grew up I found myself having fantasies that went beyond missionary position sex. They were not terribly perverse, certainly not by today's standards and they did not involve hurting anyone but still I wondered where they came from nor why they were so powerful. I dealt with a lot of inner doubt and guilt because of these thoughts. It made me very shy around girls. Luckily as I entered entered high school and more so college I was apparently very attractive to the fairer gender. Getting "hit on" and picked up by girls all over campus, getting picked up by runway models at events like Carnegie Hall concerts, being handed slips of paper with telephone numbers on them, and later on the streets of Europe meant I never had to come up with "one-liners". I never had to do the approaching. A look was all it took. I lucked out and found myself in some wonderful relationships but still the fantasies were there and I was afraid to mention them for fear of getting a negative reaction.
Over time I came to realize that a lot of girls shared the same or compatible fantasies, or fantasies that made mine look like they were rated G, but the girls always had to be the ones with guts enough to bring them up. I grew to become surprised at how wild some girls could be. That is not meant in any way to be degrading. For me it was actually refreshing.
Now to the part about porn. It was not until about 10 years ago that I bought a computer and subsequently discovered porn. I'm not at all turned on by the heavily made-up, large-breasted (usually surgically enlarged) women of the porn industry. They actually turn me off. The sight of a Jenna Jameson turns me off because she doesn't look like a real woman to me. What I have benefitted by is finding out that there is a whole world of people out there who share the same fantasies as I have had for years...and then some. It's not so much because of the professional flicks that are out there because those are made by paid actors and for enough money there is always someone who will do most anything. It's because of the indie and "homemade" flicks as well as the blogs in which people open up to each other that I feel I've benefitted. The benefit has come in the knowledge that I am not alone.
Of course the shyness and self-doubt was my own fault but when you're young and you imagine that everyone else is on a different page within the confines of a puritanical leaning society, where do you go? Who do you trust?
I'm not saying there can't be answers out there outside of internet porn but had it been around when I was younger I might have opened up more and might have had the confidence to have been able to maintain more open and honest relationships. I certainly can't complain about any I've been in but a little more confidence might have helped both in the relationship to understand sooner if we were more right or more wrong for each other. So in people having access to internet porn I believe there is a silver lining.
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- 3 votes
#13 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:46 PM EST{"commentId":4277176,"authorDomain":"benetegiii"}
Integrity vs. Morality
If I announced to my friends that I am going to get into Banking, stock market or Real Estate, they would consider that a pretty innocuous announcement. But If I announced to that I was going to get into porn there would be a certain amount of shock and perception change about me in general. But it is those professions and the kinds of people that have entered into those professions that have put millions of people out of work WORLD WIDE, have destroyed the lives and dreams of millions who have seen their investments literally disappear. These people are destroying our way of life and yet, they are considered honorable people leading good clean religious lives. And that is the problem with America.
How many of you think sports is a great American past time? If your son came home and said, I just got into the NFL you would probably be proud. Or if you wandered into your child’s room and saw a sports poster on the wall you would think nothing of it. But what of Professional sports? These guys have been accused of Rape, Animal torture, Murder, and Weapons violations of all kinds, etc.. (literally etc). Yet every week moral Christians line up to pay homage to them like heroes. And who are your heroes? A bunch of testosterone filled, violent thugs and criminals in pretty uniforms. And that is the problem with America.
Morality has managed to replace Integrity, in such a way that so many people in this country seem to think of them as interchangeable. But they are VASTLY different concepts. But it is Morality that is the bastion of the Religious in this country (as integrity seems impossible for them). And it is with this filter they see the concepts of correct (they say "right") and incorrect (they say "evil") behavior. They are gleeful when a president authorizes the torture of human beings, yet horrified when one has sex outside of his marriage. It is because god is a jealous and vengeful god and to act like him is to be "good".
Our view of sex is considered the most twisted of all industrial countries. Europeans look at our "naughty" view of sex and think of us as immature. They look at our "good" view of war and think of us as dangerous. They look at our violent society (and sports) and laugh at our attempt to portray ourselves as having any “moral” high ground. Is it any wonder that in a microcosm our children are in the news far more for committing murder than for being "naughty" in school?
I would not fear the pornographer, I would fear the stock broker who is betting your dreams away, or the Financial guy who is lying to you to make a profit no matter who he harms, or the little old lady with the Bible in her hands because she wants to take your rights and freedoms away from you. Or the sports figure that is teaching your child that school is not important and that being a thug is better than having honor and integrity. These are real fears. The boondoggle of pornography is simply a distraction to keep your eyes off the real dangers your children face in this country.
This diatribe could go on and on but for those who are educated the argument is apparent and rhetorical (in the true sense).
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#14 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 3:16 PM EST{"commentId":4278342,"authorDomain":"marklutn"}
Benet...I agree with you about the integrity vs. morality. Specifically I worked for a Wall Street firm. Luckily I knew enough not to put money into the stock market. I could tell you stories but this topic is about porn. Well...I don't think I have to remind anyone that investment bankers frequent expensive strip joints quite regularly. See that? It all ties in. :)
Sex is natural, it's healthy, it's enjoyable. It's true that Americans have gained the dubious reputation of being outwardly prudish and puritanical while at the same time being the biggest porn consumers. That is changing though. Young people in this country seem to be much more open and honest today about their sexuality and although I saw that stupid childish behavior amongst the young men on Wall Street, I see young people being more open and honest with their gender counterparts.
I lived in Munich in the early 80s. I was very impressed by the relationships between young guys and girls there. I actually got the feeling, very strongly, that they possessed the ability to maintain friendships between each other. Guys didn't seem to feel professionally threatened by their female colleagues and the girls didn't feel the threat of abusive guys around every corner. There was a mutual supportiveness there and I never heard the kind of guy talk that still exists here today. You know, "did you get in her pants after dinner last night?" kinda thing. That would have sounded odd there. The good news is that I've seen this tendency more and more in the U.S. at least amongst certain groups of young people.
I married a German girl. She had a PhD, spoke 8 languages fluently (not her major), and had done runway modeling for a couple of summers. It's great that she had a wonderful career and all...that opportunity was there for her but in the end it is really a person's character and integrity that shines through and determines that person's true happiness or lack of, something easily forgotten in a consumer driven society.
But wait...this is about pornography isn't it? I'm feeling like one of the guys in "Waiting for Godot".
The thing about sex and its depiction in pornography is that it is something we can't run away from anymore than we could stop ourselves from eating and drinking. I often wonder, if guys didn't have porn to use as an outlet would they be out on the prowl being more forceful than anyone would care to think about?
To address another point you made, I'll admit it...I love NFL football. For me the ad campaign they've got going where the guy asks "Is it Monday yet?" hits the nail on the head. I loved playing football and I love watching it. Football players, like anyone else, are not perfect. They are expected to be because they are expected to be looked upon as heroes but like everyone else they are human. Still, don't throw the scoring drive out with the bath water.
Oh wait...this is about pornography. :P
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{"commentId":4279824,"authorDomain":"benetegiii"}
Okay...perhaps I strayed a bit off topic. But I think the gist is still there. We make sex a big wrong and we worship violence as honorable. We use morality as a filter when it is the lack of integrity that attacks the foundations of our society.
Is that better?
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":4280428,"authorDomain":"marklutn"}
Sorry Benet...I didn't mean to mock your subject matter. I was making fun of myself really. I think your point was well taken and not off topic at all. You made a very good point about our society.
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{"commentId":4278948,"authorDomain":"nick-williams612"}
stereotype of the porn king as a skeevy guy in gold neck chains
Anyone see the mugshot of the guy that wrote this article? Brian Alexander looks like he's a gold neck chain away from fitting the bill. He probably got free porn for writing this which I find really dumb because he obviously could have just stayed in his office, locked the door, and got some for free off the internet.
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- 1 vote
#15 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 5:00 PM EST{"commentId":4280089,"authorDomain":"wilberta"}
This makes sense why should a man know more than a woman...about a business that is woman centrist?...Now we are back to the PLAYBOYS DAYS Why?
Hefner should never have been the King of Females anyway.
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- 1 vote
#16 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 5:56 PM EST{"commentId":4281396,"authorDomain":"marklutn"}
Wilberta...I agree with your statement "Hefner should never have been the King of Females anyway." For one thing the images of women on those pages did not even look real. The air brushing bill each month must have been enormous. I don't know if Playboy still does that. Haven't seen one of those mags in years.
Look, in my opinion both men and women in this country have issues that need addressing. I'm a male and I do believe that males have more issues and need to play catch up if we are ever going to actually enjoy warmly respectful relationships with each other in this country. That is a generalization of course and there are many of both genders who seem more apt to get it. We need to get over the whole women are objects thing, at which point women can get over the anger and resentment from being treated as such. I don't really care whether or not porn goes away but I suspect it might play a lesser role in the lives of people surfing the net at work if we actually get past our own issues.
I remember the covers of Cosmopolitan Magazine in the 80s. Mean, devious, angry looking expressions glared out from newstands, covergirls surrounded by headlines like "How to get what you deserve out of him", not to mention tons of makeup on those faces. When I moved to Munich I was surprised to see the Cosmopolitan Magazine covers there. The covergirls wore smiles and the headlines were more positive, the faces wearing far less makeup and looking clean and fresh. The thing I have found about relationships is that the most important thing is not what I can get but what I can give to that person I love that will enhance her life. When both people in a relationship enjoy offering that to each other the relationship is going to be more fulfilling and gratifying to both. It's not easy, that's for sure. We all come with baggage but if the intent is to truly look out for and care for someone else my baggage tends to move to the background. I'm happier. She's happier. The world is that much a happier place.
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{"commentId":4282148,"authorDomain":"benetegiii"}
Not to start a mutual admiration society, but I think Mark's closer to the tip of the spear on this one. We are (to put a fine point on it) spending so much conversation around getting rid of the cobwebs and spending no time discussing how to get rid of the spider.
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{"commentId":4289932,"authorDomain":"sjones34668"}
Wilberta,
I never agree with anything you say, however, you have a refreshing perspective. I believe women should have a much larger role and financial rewards in the industry CAN exploit them.
And hey, as previous posters have said, not all porn is bad. And the violence and other forms of women being abused are MUCH more offensive to me.
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{"commentId":4280692,"authorDomain":"ujerzy"}
The moralists have a couple of things bass ackwards. Violence of all sorts is ok to watch and splash all across our movie and television screens, and video games designed for kids try to outdo each other with the realism of their blood and gore, and that's just find. It's also ok to show some breasts, maybe a butt, and to have all sorts of sexual entendre, and to use sex to sell everything from cars to bras, but let's not depict consenting adults engaging in the actual acts of sex, in whatever its form, and if one of those brutally violent kids video games happen to show a woman is a sexually provocative position, the game gets pulled. Somewhere along the line they have to learn to better address this hypocracy.
Being of foreign extraction and not having this phobia about sex (and before the anti-porn feminists jump on me, I do not objectify women and I have even participated in marches and protests for sexual equality), I believe that sex is at once an American obsession and that at the same time Americans are highly sexually repressed. Maybe it comes from Puritanical religious beliefs - who knows - but the sad fact is that sexual freedom and expression is such a social taboo and that most Americans are highly sexually repressed that they really can't let it go and enjoy something that really has no downside. (Practice safe sex, before I get a bunch of responses about STD's).
Those of you who have this monogamous "one woman, one man" thing and only have eyes for their spouse - well good for you (if it really is true), but do the rest of us a huge favor and don't force your straight laced view of acceptable sexual interactions down the throats of the rest of us. Consenting adults should be allowed to do what they want, in the privacy of their homes or in hotel rooms, without having moralists weigh in and condem them for not being like the moralists. Its a pretty simple concept, and I doubt the sexually adventurous and more liberated adults have any interest whatsoever in trying to turn up tight and straight laced moralists into something else. They could care less about you, except maybe when you get on your high horses and try to tell the rest of us how to live, and then they probably wish you'd just shut up, go away and go back to the life you like so much and allow others to do the same. Somehow the religious believers and those that want to protect grown adults from themselves just can't grasp the idea of "live and let live".
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- 2 votes
#17 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:30 PM EST{"commentId":4281015,"authorDomain":"marklutn"}
Roland...I agree with you. As I mentioned earlier in this thread I believe that the younger generation, those in their late teens/early twenties, are more open minded with one another. I hope I'm right in this. I am a male and I think that a lot of the repression is actually generated by males. Sometimes when in bars I find the whole "male bonding" thing among what I consider to be mainstream males very disturbing, especially when the topic turns to women. 6 figure earners drink down a few shots of Jamesons and start acting like they are back in the fraternity. It's no wonder they have to wind up paying for sex at the end of the day with their attitudes which I find immature.
There are a lot of decent guys around though. Where I first noticed a change in attitude between genders in this country was at a techno concert. I was already in my 40s when I was invited to see a band called Orbital. I loved the music and loved the young people who were in attendance. I've attended several since including "underground parties" and found the same. I wonder what it is about that scene that draws people who actually like their gender counterparts, seeming to have little or no fences between them and a warm respect for one another. It's not drugs. Not many were on drugs, contrary to what one might think.
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{"commentId":4353241,"authorDomain":"theotherguy1234"}
Hmm didn't know someone called the local puritans to show up.
Yes in our society, its worse to show sex on tv then it is to show people mudering others, or things like SAW. Its because the US was founded by puritans, and most of the imigrants where of a christian or catholic religious view point. People that see no problem in raping / mudering thousands of people as long as its for a "good cause", but think its the "devils work" to desire sex.
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#18 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:28 AM EST{"commentId":4357330,"authorDomain":"zombiegirl7"}
Gee, you're a little late. Number one- I have already pointed out that my opinion has nothing to do with religion, and that I'm not religious whatsoever. I believe there was only one person through this entire thread that has posted anything about their reasoning against porn being somewhat religious. And why is it that if anyone disagrees with the sex industry, that automatically makes them a puritan? I think that there is a really good chance that you just need to label us with something because you have no better argument. You're just stereotyping those who disagree with you on the matter.
And when did I or anyone else say, "yeah, sex is terrible, its the devils work! But outrageous graphic violence, oh well, thats okay I guess!" You guys just can't really come up with much to debate.
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{"commentId":4361546,"authorDomain":"jancameron1949"}
I would venture to guess that most males, and some females as well, start out with fairly innocuous, innocent, and weirdly humorous porn. Unfortunately, many of those folks find themselves venturing into ever more frequent explorations into more subliminal, sinister, and mind-altering niches of porn where women, and sometimes children, are subjugated into degrading and even violent sexual acts. It can take ever increasing "shock" value to get off.
Pornography is a drug. It does alter the brain. It is much like alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, coke, sex, video games, gambling- any of the other drugs that can provide relief and escape from everyday life. All serve to dull and pacify the senses to the difficulties of reality.
Many people can use it in moderation and have little problem with it. Others find that it becomes all consuming and can destroy personal relationships and life as they knew it. Jobs, homes, marriages, children- all can be sacrificed to feed an obsession.
These are two reasons that many people have objections to porn. To stubbornly deny that porn has no effect on the way men see women in general, sometimes as less than fellow human beings, only existing to satisfy male sexual fantasy, no matter how debasing the sexual activity is to the woman, is utterly naive and self-serving. Reserch has sown that men who watch such degrading material do indeed change the way that they think about women. Anyone who reads blogs can pretty much discern the men who have ventured into this territory by the language they use in referring to women-terms that dehumanize. The same way that military uses brainwashing techniques to brainwash soldiers into think of the enemy as less than human, in order to participate in killing another human being. That person has to be dehumanized.
Internet porn is often called "the cocaine" of the internet, because it is so readily and cheaply available to induce an ever increasing and demanding high.
Porn is not always harmful, but it does have the potential. Society would be amiss to not be cautious of its dangers.
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#19 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:58 PM EST{"commentId":4404141,"authorDomain":"kateboyd"}
Women executives in the porn industry is a new thing? I think not - Madams have been around since prostitution was invented and they are just higher-paid Madams. Again, it's not the gender of the people calling the shots in the adult industry - I've seen women who are 1000 times more vulgar and brutish than men.
Comprehensive health-checks, sound guidance for performers, and role-playing in the films that aren't violent in nature would be nice. My husband and I enjoy renting or downloading porn ever so often. We both have our respective "Pr0n folders" on our home computer. We aren't necessarily into the same things, but what we do, er, agree on - we share and it's fun/harmless.
What does bother me is the images that girls are inundated by: porn-star fashion styles (aka, thongs for grade-schoolers, pussycat-doll dolls for little girls, cherry-printed panties for pre-teens etc.)
I also realize how many people cannot have a (seems funny to type it...) healthy relationship with pornography. I've met many men (and a few women) who've destroyed real relationships looking for the ever-more-extreme sex scene and tiring of one girl after another so that they spend $1000's of dollars on dvd's and live sex sites. Yes, their opinions of women do change: they are bitter, nasty, cynical, derogatory, and angry...it's not totally porn's fault - it just worstens their pathology.
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#20 - Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:13 PM EST{"commentId":4546621,"authorDomain":"thewrays1"}
It's very basic. It has nothing to do with spreading any message, or encouraging changes in thinking, or any other crap like that. The reason is simple "M-O-N-E-Y". Nothing else. that's the driving point, the only point, and with an audience so "ready" and gullible as males, they stand to make Bill Gate's kind of money.
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#21 - Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:32 PM EST{"commentId":4556081,"authorDomain":"janellbennett"}
Follow the money trail. Just because a person has a womb instead of balls doesn't make her any less unscrupulous. When all a person sees is dollar signs there's a problem. It's like any other multi million dollar industry. The little guy(girl) will be exploited. When fortune 500 companies began investing in porn and lobying at Capital Hill all hope for removing it from our society or at least driving it back underground ended.
I am really upset with how so much of the porn industry is creeping into our lives whether we want it there or not. Look at clothing for women and little girls, see on tv and in movies rated PG how many times a woman's breast is shown, how many times people have sex having just met, many, many times the sex scene is preceded by or followed by extreme violence. What people don't realize is that their sub conscience is marrying these two...Violence + Sex.
I say... just frikken turn it OFF! Turn off your TV. You WILL survive.
Get out from behind your computer and talk to some REAL PEOPLE. You may find a partner, build a relationship and have REAL sex. IMAGINE THAT!
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#22 - Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:42 AM EST{"commentId":4800459,"authorDomain":"voxsilen"}
What will it take for women like Joy to understand that porn is violence towards women, plain and simple. Or is she blinded by the cashish? The porn industry has nothing to do nor say FOR fenimism, but it conveniently rides its coattails and pretends that porn offers women power and an equal opportunity to be as much a sexual dog as a man is. It is abuse, rape, favoring one gender over the other AND destructive. The illusion is that it is actually healthy AND HOT to treat women this way. Sad.
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#23 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:51 PM EST{"commentId":6072281,"authorDomain":"WhippedGerbil"}
Most people seem to hold the view that pornography is violence toward women, or is degrading or abasing.
Why don't they feel the same about the men? Aren't they just as much a whore as the women they're "acting" with? They're having sex for money, and on film. That has to mean they're some kind of low life, or at least a victim of his addiction to porn. No sympathy for them? Why not?
Oh, wait. Idea. Gay men having sex on video is okay, because no women are being victimized, right?
If you're going to stand against pornography, stand against all of it. Really, if two pigs wallow in the mud, both get dirty, and if they do it knowingly and willingly, they're debased or demeaned only in your eyes. In theirs, they're just doing a job, so it's all relative.
Besides, the women in those movies are exercising their version of "my body, my choice." Got to respect choices, right?
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