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Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe

Tue Dec 9, 2008 9:48 AM EST
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Mike Robinson, Associated Press Writers
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<p>In this April 18, 2007 file photo, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich speaks at the 45th Annual Illinois Governor's Prayer Breakfast in Springfield, Ill. Authorities in Chicago have arrested Ill. Gov. Rod Blagojevich on federal charges. U.S. Attorney's office spokesman Randall Samborn says both Blagojevich and his chief of staff John Harris were arrested Tuesday, Dec. 9, 2008.  (AP Photo/Seth Perlman, File)</p>

In this April 18, 2007 file photo, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich speaks at the 45th Annual Illinois Governor's Prayer Breakfast in Springfield, Ill. Authorities in Chicago have arrested Ill. Gov. Rod Blagojevich on federal charges. U.S. Attorney's office spokesman Randall Samborn says both Blagojevich and his chief of staff John Harris were arrested Tuesday, Dec. 9, 2008. (AP Photo/Seth Perlman, File)

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CHICAGO — Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest bidder.

Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint. In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.

A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.

Otherwise, Blagojevich considered appointing himself. The affidavit said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if "they're not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take it."

"I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain," Blagojevich allegedly said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was "a valuable thing — you just don't give it away for nothing."

The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization affiliated with labor unions.

It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director's fees.

He also allegedly discussed getting campaign funds for himself or possibly a post in the president's cabinet or an ambassadorship once he left the governor's office. He noted becoming a U.S. senator might remake his image for a possible presidential run in 2016, according to the affidavit. And he allegedly said a Senate seat would also provide him with corporate contacts if he needed a job and present an opportunity for his wife to work as a lobbyist.

"I want to make money," the affidavit quotes him as saying in one conversation.

The affidavit said Blagojevich expressed frustration at being "stuck" as governor and that he would have access to greater resources if he were indicted while in the U.S. Senate than while sitting as governor.

U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in a statement that "the breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering."

"They allege that Blagojevich put a for sale sign on the naming of a United States senator," Fitzgerald said."

Messages left for Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero and at the governor's press office were not immediately returned Tuesday morning.

Among those being considered for the Senate post include U.S. Reps. Danny Davis and Jesse Jackson Jr.

The affidavit outlined a Nov. 10 call between Blagojevich, his wife, his chief of staff — John Harris, who also was arrested Tuesday — and a group of advisers in which Harris allegedly suggested working out an agreement with the Service Employees International Union.

Under the plan, Blagojevich would appoint a new senator who would be helpful to the president-elect and in turn get a job as head of Change to Win, a group formed by the union. The union would get an unspecified favor from Obama later.

Nothing in the court papers suggested Obama had any part in the discussion. In fact, Blagojevich allegedly said in the same conversation that Obama most likely would not appoint him as secretary of health and human services or to an ambassadorship because of the negative publicity that has surrounded the governor for three years.

One day later, according to the affidavit, Blagojevich allegedly told an associate he knew Obama wanted a specific Senate candidate but "they're not going to give me anything except appreciation." He finished the remark with an expletive.

Blagojevich also was charged with using his authority as governor in an attempt to squeeze out campaign contributions.

Corruption in the Blagojevich administration has been the focus of a federal investigation involving an alleged $7 million scheme aimed at squeezing kickbacks out of companies seeking business from the state. Federal prosecutors have acknowledged they're also investigating "serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" under Blagojevich, who has a $177,412 salary, though it's unclear whether he accepts the total.

Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko who raised money for the campaigns of both Blagojevich and Obama is awaiting sentencing after being convicted of fraud and other charges. Blagojevich's chief fundraiser, Christopher G. Kelly, is due to stand trial early next year on charges of obstructing the Internal Revenue Service.

According to Tuesday's complaint, Blagojevich schemed with Rezko, millionaire-fundraiser turned federal witness Stuart Levine and others to get financial benefits for himself and his campaign committee.

Federal prosecutors said Blagojevich and the chairman of his campaign committee have been speeding up corrupt fundraising activities in the last month to get as much money as possible before the end of the year when a new law would curtail his ability to raise contributions from companies with state contracts worth more than $50,000.

According to the affidavit, agents learned Blagojevich was seeking $2.5 million in campaign contributions by the end of the year, with a large part allegedly to come from companies and individuals who have gotten state contracts or appointments.

The affidavit also outlines Blagojevich conversations related to Tribune Co., which has been hoping to sell Wrigley Field, the home of the Chicago Cubs which the publishing giant also owns.

Blagojevich was quoted in court papers as telling Harris in a profanity laced Nov. 4 conversation that his recommendation to Tribune executives was to fire the editorial writers "and get us some editorial support."

Harris is quoted as telling the governor Nov. 11 that an unnamed Tribune Owner, presumably CEO Sam Zell, "got the message and is very sensitive to the issue."

The affidavit said Harris quoted a Tribune financial adviser as saying cuts were coming at the newspaper and "reading between the lines he's going after that section," apparently meaning editorial writers. Blagojevich is quoted as saying: "Oh, that's fantastic."

"Wow," Blagojevich allegedly replied. "Keep our fingers crossed. You're the man. Good job, John."

Harris allegedly told Blagojevich in his conversation with the financial adviser he had singled out deputy editorial page editor John McCormick as "somebody who was the most biased and unfair."

After hearing that, Blagojevich allegedly stressed to the head of a Chicago sports consulting firm that it was important to provide state aid for a Wrigley Field sale.

Blagojevich took the chief executive's office in 2003 as a reformer promising to clean up former Gov. George Ryan's mess.

Ryan, a Republican, is serving a 6-year prison sentence after being convicted on racketeering and fraud charges. A decade-long investigation began with the sale of driver's licenses for bribes and led to the conviction of dozens of people who worked for Ryan when he was secretary of state and governor.

FBI spokesman Frank Bochte said federal agents arrested the governor and Harris simultaneously at their homes at 6:15 a.m. and took them to the Chicago FBI headquarters.

He did not have any details about Blagojevich's arrest, only that he was cooperative with federal agents.

"It was a very calm setting," he said.

The governor was to appear later Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Nan Nolan to answer the charges. The time was not immediately set.

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Associated Press Writer Don Babwin contributed to this report.

© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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DonkeyRidder

Obama is next.  Remember Rezko?

Chicago is moving to Washington.

  • 14 votes
#1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:02 AM EST
Scott-317099

Obama is next.

No, Daley is the target.  Daley has always been the ultimate target.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:26 AM EST
Donald Turnbull

Here's the press release from the U.S. Attorney's office - http://tinyurl.com/5je39t

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:30 AM EST
AKG

I love all the dancing Republicans heralding Obama's corruption. Funny how the article makes no hint whatsoever that Obama is involved or has had any corrupt political dealings.

  • 22 votes
#1.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:31 AM EST
Roxanne2Sweet

Blagojevich needs to hire the McCain campaign's lawyers, Who made sure Sarah Palin got off with just a slap on the wrist for her ethics violations.

  • 13 votes
#1.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:36 AM EST
jameseg

I don't know who's next, but I'm confident there are enough crooks in both political parties to keep investigators busy.  I hope this is an indication that we are going to see true reform in this country by seeking to hold all elected officials accountable for their misdeeds. 

  • 16 votes
#1.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:37 AM EST
GMM-520347

Obama is next.

For what?

  • 14 votes
#1.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM EST
Spikegary

Folks-this is not a Republican or a Democrat thing-it's corruption, which is and always has been in Illinois politics. 

Isn't it time to stop trying to tar and feather the other party?

  • 21 votes
#1.7 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM EST
philipe

Roxanne2Sweet

McCain's lawyers???

I think he'd be better off with Spitzer's.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:47 AM EST
Jae-walker

I love all the dancing Republicans heralding Obama's corruption. Funny how the article makes no hint whatsoever that Obama is involved or has had any corrupt political dealings.

For what its worth, I think the connection is in that Obama publicly supported Gov. Rod Blagojevich banning B of A in retalliation for not extending credit to local company that does support Chicago.

  • 8 votes
#1.9 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM EST
GMM-520347

Folks-this is not a Republican or a Democrat thing-it's corruption, which is and always has been in Illinois politics. 

Isn't it time to stop trying to tar and feather the other party?

You are 100% right!

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:56 AM EST
sbplayer

I 100% agree they all have been doing this and they all think its okay. Its just arrogant assinine people who think they are untouchable and can't believe anybody has the audacity to accuse them a wrong doing. Greed is truly ugly.

  • 7 votes
#1.11 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:09 AM EST
Mic-715636

Donald-read it right to the end and it is everyday, unseemly political reality laid bare, however the last two sentences are most important:

The public is reminded that a complaint contain only charges and is not evidence of guilt.

The defendants are presumed innocent and are entitled to a fair trial at which the government has the

burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Still America regardless of President Bush or his appointments.

  • 4 votes
#1.12 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:19 AM EST
Dennis C. LathamDeleted
Ryan-

Dennis, the same goes for the blame Bush people.  Someone on this site found away to try and blame Bush for this.

  • 7 votes
#1.14 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:34 AM EST
Brent-320354

Dennis, now you know how GW feels... 

(Ryan beat me to it)

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:34 AM EST
Kim-298921

Oh please. You can do better than that. Obama isn't going anywhere.

Blagojevich has always been dirty if you ask me. This however is pretty daring in terms of his usual level of dirt.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:49 AM EST
OBAMA-FAN

no one blamed GW for this. The comment was:

"Still America regardless of President Bush or his appointments."

To me, this only means that the justice system of innocense until proven guilty still applies no matter how GW tried to go around the constitution during his administration.

  • 5 votes
#1.17 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:51 AM EST
Kim-298921

I think the connection is in that Obama publicly supported Gov. Rod Blagojevich banning B of A in retalliation for not extending credit to local company that does support Chicago.

What does that have to do with what Blagojevich is accused of - which seems like auctioning off Obama's Senate seat?

Nothing, that's what.

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:52 AM EST
OBAMA-FAN

I take it back!!!  i just saw where bush was blamed!  LMAO!!  My apologies...

WOW

  • 3 votes
#1.19 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:53 AM EST
logdump

I 100% agree they all have been doing this and they all think its okay. Its just arrogant assinine people who think they are untouchable and can't believe anybody has the audacity to accuse them a wrong doing. Greed is truly ugly.

I agree and there will be no stopping it. This clown was stupid to the nth degree. He knew he was under scrutiny from the word go and he makes conversation on an open line asking for favors. Now I know he has to be proven guilty and the case is open but the mere fact that he is in this position makes him look as stupid as he is.

  • 4 votes
#1.20 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:54 AM EST
Young Hot and Smart

This is nauseating. I hope no one is defending this man's actions. What a disgrace. They had better get themselves another governor.

  • 8 votes
#1.21 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:00 PM EST
Young Hot and Smart

"Who made sure Sarah Palin got off with just a slap on the wrist for her ethics violations."

Troopergate is nothing compared to selling a senate seat. Also, why are people still on Sarah Palin? McCain was not elected… Sarah Palin hasn't been arrested. It hasn't been proven she has done anything illegal.

  • 8 votes
#1.22 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:05 PM EST
Dennis C. LathamDeleted
ken-ev-pow

AKG,

What Republican dancing?  They are playing it smart, because thus far there is no solid connection.  Your comment makes it sound like you are trying to make it a Rep vs. Dem issue.

SF

Ken

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:10 PM EST
Behind My Screen

Bush haters?

Only a Republican could have ignored reality to the point that they think Bush has done nothing wrong.

back to the article, They need to send this guy away for a long time. I think political corruption needs to have 25 year sentences, though, such time would also be applied to trumped up crap like the Alabama Gov. who was railroaded by Rove's US DA

  • 1 vote
#1.25 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:20 PM EST
Spikegary

President Bush is done, President Elect Obama is getting read to take over - and both these facts have nothing to do with the story seeded here.  BTW, today is December 9, 2008 for those that are living last month, last year, last decade.  Try to keep up.

  • 4 votes
#1.26 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:36 PM EST
WhyIt

Our last governor in Illinois got arrested too ... who was a Republican!  It has nothing to do with being Republican or Democrat.

But we've had a pretty good history of having decent senators, actually.

  • 2 votes
#1.27 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:41 PM EST
Brent-320354

Obama Fan (which I am not), I appreciate your honesty.

Dennis, do the congressional ratings give you the same tingle up your spine, or do you look the other way because Dems own congress?  Or do you blame that on Bush too?

Behind My Screen, seek medical attention.  You are suffering from acute Bush-A-Phobia...

  • 3 votes
#1.28 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:56 PM EST
Ryan-

Dennis,

Do you Blame Bush for the price of oil going down as well?  Oil went up when the market was falling, people were pulling there money out out bank stock and putting it into commodities.  Also, the Chinese that Obama loves, were using oil to run generators for entire cities, after the earthquake, to make sure all was well for the Olympics.

If you say that Bush should be in jail, then should Obama for the Rezko incident?  What political favor did Obama provide to Rezko, we don't know, but it is along the same lines as Senator Stevens and Gov. Blagojevich, fee for service.

  • 4 votes
#1.29 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:00 PM EST
roadlesstraveled

We need to start with limited terms on all government/Washington/ and Wall Street (because they skip hand in hand) positions. 4 years MAX. Its the only way to start this fight for a corruption-free government. If we start now, maybe our grandchildren will know what it feels like to be a true American....its worth it.

  • 1 vote
#1.30 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:01 PM EST
dwolfkeeper

IMO, I have a problem with all politicians in US.  Corruption runs on both sides but this beyond anything I have seen. Blagojevich is a very bad and greedy man whom is knee deep in the Chicago political money machine that is Illinois politics. 

Prez-elect Obama has not been tied to this only that he supported Blago for Govenor. 

Again I say Obama's passed associations may catch up to him and those alone can undo a Presidency.  He knows these people.  He worked with these people.  He is not guilty by association by any means but some questions have to come up.  I mean there is no way with the way politics Illinois's is run could he just come through unblemished in some way.  To get to where he is as fast as he has risen, has to make one stand back a little and re-evaluate Obama with some scepticism of his intent with the power in hand.  He is smart and eloquent but is he completely unblemished?  No way, no how.

Here is a little more on the FBI indictment.

Call me what you want but hey this isn't good for anyone from either side you look at it from.

  • 6 votes
#1.31 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:03 PM EST
Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

Dennis, do the congressional ratings give you the same tingle up your spine, or do you look the other way because Dems own congress?

The false assertions by the Republicans that the popularity of the Congress in the polls being attributed to the Democrats has been totally debunked.

The Majority only gave the Democrats the right to choose agenda and select the speaker. 

97 filibuster's by the Republicans since the Dems took the Senate, frezing all attempts to move bills, and the ones that made it to the presadents desk where vetoed.

Not one, NOT ONE Presidential Veto before the Dems took the Senate. As the Republicans did everything in their power to hamper and undermine all progress by the Democrats.

How imbecilic that any thinking person of ANY Party still touts this nonsense as true after learning the facts and after the last election is amazing.

  • 2 votes
#1.32 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:14 PM EST
fadeplayer

Donkey, you couldn't be further from the truth.  Not only will Obama not be next; it will soon come out that he was complicit with and instrumental to the investigation and arrest of Blagojevich.  

Remember in two weeks, you heard it here first.  

  • 2 votes
#1.33 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:30 PM EST
Brent-320354

Dan, there were no vetos because Hastert asked Bush "If I pass this law, will you veto it?"  Bush would say either "Yes" or "No".  If the answer was "Yes", Hastert would ask "What can we change to get it across your desk"?  Bush would tell them and they would pass it or drop it.  That's how the legislature and the Administrator are supposed to work together.  Nancy and Harry pass bills that they know will be vetoed so they can point to GW and say "It's all his fault".

If you have any more questions about the world you live in, don't hesitate to ask.  I am  here for you.

    #1.34 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:32 PM EST
    Ryan-

    Dan Hallo,

    right to choose agenda

    The agenda is the problem, that's why they have bad ratings.  At some point you have to stop blaming republicans for everything.

      #1.35 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:32 PM EST
      fadeplayer

      Ryan, this is a two way street.

      • 1 vote
      #1.36 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:34 PM EST
      Lkessler

      All I gotta say is: why is this a surprise?  Corruption is everywhere in politics--from big cities to small towns.

      • 2 votes
      #1.37 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:38 PM EST
      Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

      At some point you have to stop blaming republicans for everything.

      At some point the Republicans have to take some responsibility for the mistakes they make. This is why they have no credibility. Do you think they will learn and throw the Neo-Cons out on the asses? Or die as a viable party without a base.

        #1.38 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:38 PM EST
        Dennis C. LathamDeleted
        DonkeyRidder

        We Illinoisans know the scoop about our politicians.  It isn't just our Governor.  Our other senator, Durbin, is dirty.  We might be better served putting bars on the doors and windows of the Illinois General Assembly building next session to keep the state politician crooks in.  And Chicago?  Not much different that those prohibition years.

        Was it just coincidence the that the day after Blagojevich told Bank of America that the State of Illinois wasn't going to do business with them that he was arrested?  Remember, the federal government is now a partner in BOA and probably didn't take kindly to the (ex)governor's act.

        I see them falling like dominoes.

        • 5 votes
        #1.40 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:13 PM EST
        ARCHON-PRIME

        WHAT DID OBAMA KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT? 

        • 4 votes
        #1.41 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:55 PM EST
        Ryan-

        Dennis, you can believe what you want, but this might shape up to be Obama's Watergate.

        Also, look at the corrutption that has been routed out the past 8 years, and we did even need a guy with a slogan.

        • 2 votes
        #1.42 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:06 PM EST
        ARCHON-PRIME

        Obama has already issued his LIE OF THE DAY- "he didn't have any contact with the Governor".

        But here's the truth:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=konL35ur0Bo

        • 3 votes
        #1.43 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST
        Dennis C. LathamDeleted
        Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

        User Ryan- says, in part:

        '...but this might shape up to be Obama's Watergate'

        Obama is not the defendant. Obama is not the Governor of Illinois. Obama is not charged with anything. Any politician will tell you there are always going to be a few influence-peddlers or people who try to use their office for personal gain.

        It's nothing new. Plenty of Congressmen, mayors, any post you care to name have had members get in trouble for this. From both parties. Some have gone to prison, which is exactly where they belong.

        You could compare it to the fact that no matter how honest YOU happen to be, there will always be crooks. Stop blaming Obama for other peoples' stupidity. He's the one who has been calling for transparency in government and accountability...not the other way around.

        • 3 votes
        #1.45 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:20 PM EST
        DonkeyRidder

        DCL and RB,  Obama was the hand and Blagojevich the glove on that hand, and man did that hand give Illinois an exam it won't forget.  O and B were a team here in Illinois.  You Democrats had better brace for the fall of your god Obama.

        • 1 vote
        #1.46 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:26 PM EST
        Ryan-

        Here's s line from the Howard Baker during Watergate-

        "What did the President know, and when did he know it?"

        This will be the same question asked of Obama.  If he did know about this before hand, and someone turns on him, he won't be impeached, but a uncomfortable 1 term. 

        • 1 vote
        #1.47 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:35 PM EST
        Ryan-

        Here's s line from the Howard Baker during Watergate-

        "What did the President know, and when did he know it?"

        This will be the same question asked of Obama.  If he did know about this before hand, and someone turns on him, he won't be impeached, but a uncomfortable 1 term. 

          #1.48 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:37 PM EST
          JERRY COLEMAN

          i new it was just a matter of time before some one try to connect the president elect to those lawless people, they were just waited on the supreme courts ruling on the citizen ship thing, after they dropped that it was on.

          • 1 vote
          #1.49 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:56 PM EST
          Dennis C. LathamDeleted
          Ryan-

          Dennis, you are missing the point, it's not about the position of power, or who appoints for the seat, it's what Obama new about the matter before it came out.  Nixon didn't authorize or commit the act, he knew about it.  The same may be said of Obama. 

          Also, you just bashed Bush about oil and you have nothing to back your statement, and your going to say dreams of the demise of other people.

           So people have the same dreams as you?  The demise of other people.

          • 2 votes
          #1.51 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:09 PM EST
          Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

          Ryan- says, in part:

           '...it's what Obama new about the matter before it came out.  Nixon didn't authorize or commit the act, he knew about it.  The same may be said of Obama.'

          I hate to burst your little anti-Obama bubble-tirade but here's a quote from the most recent AP article:

           'Nothing in the court papers suggested Obama had any part in the discussions or knew of them — something Fitzgerald repeatedly made clear at Tuesday's news conference.

          In fact, Blagojevich was overheard complaining that Obama's people are "not going to give me anything except appreciation." He added: "(Expletive) them".

          Doesn't sound to me like Obama or his people were exactly jumping on the Blagojevich train there. This is strictly the matter of a crooked governor from Illinois - who will get what he deserves in the end.

          • 3 votes
          #1.52 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:41 PM EST
          DonkeyRidder

          DCL, we'll see how much influence Obama had over the governor's choice for a replacement for that vacated seat real quick.  Obama communicated several times with Blagojevich over this matter.  I'm confident the candidates to fill the vacated Obama seat also had some communications with Obama.

          I don't hate anyone.  Why always the hate charge when we don't like or disagree with someone?  I'll buy Obama a beer and sit with him and his family while I am telling him to his face why he is wrong and destructive and undeserving of the Presidency.  No hate, just opposition.  A large part of my oppostion to Obama is because he is a Chicago politician and I know the ethical burden that will place on our country.

          I live in Illinois and we're still bleeding from the Obama-Blagojevich exam.

          Notice how quick the arrest came in this case?  It was going to swallow up so many Illinois minorities as to look racist, so they pulled the plug early.  They should have let this play out to the end and then arrested all of the corrupt players involved.

          • 2 votes
          #1.53 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:45 PM EST
          Dennis C. LathamDeleted
          Ryan-

          Dennis, resulting to insults?  That's ok, your buddy Obama is about to get dirty.

          • 1 vote
          #1.55 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:05 PM EST
          Ryan-

          Robert, who cares if the Governor called Obama a name, he was probably just mad that Obama would only offer him so much for the seat. 

          • 1 vote
          #1.56 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:15 PM EST
          DonkeyRidder

          I'm dreaming of the demise of corruption (in between those damp dreams), and that naturally involves scads of liberals.

          • 1 vote
          #1.57 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:15 PM EST
          Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

          DonkeyRidder says, in part:

           'Obama communicated several times with Blagojevich over this matter.'

          Actually, Obama made an official statement on camera today saying he had NOT communicated with Blagojevich or with the Governor's Office about the appointment of Obama's replacement in the U.S. Senate.  

          Since the President-elect  has not had a history of lying to the American people (so far), I tend to believe him.

          • 1 vote
          #1.58 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:29 PM EST
          Lkessler

          Hey Don: Just wanted to let you know that I read the Chicago Tribune release--and I was shocked! A lot of hanky panky going on that Blagojevich was involved in--and rather directly, from the impression that the article left upon me.

          At any rate, thank you for providing the link to the release--it was an eye-opener!

          • 3 votes
          #1.59 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:52 PM EST
          DonkeyRidder

          RBABS (#1.68), Obama's top campaign advisor, David Axelrod, stated 3 weeks ago in a news conference that Obama had been in contact with the governor about the replacement for the vacated seat.  He's apparently already having trouble keeping track of his lies.

          By the way, Obama has made it clear he is an habitual liar.  Remember the Reverend Wright and William Ayers, mutitudinous lies about those relationships.  Now the lies about his relationship with Blagojevich.

          • 1 vote
          #1.60 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:49 PM EST
          Dennis C. LathamDeleted
          DonkeyRidder

          DCL,

          The South is rising again.

          You can't read well.  I am Donkey Ridder.  Ridder means one who rids.   I'm trying to rid the would of the donkey (it is the Democrat party mascot, you know).  I've never been on a donkey.  You must be confusing me with donkey rider, that great mind who was censored out of here, I think.

          Sex with the Democrat donkey?  No way, that is one ugly beast of burden.  Besides the line to get mounted is too long, as the Democrats are busy doing it to themselves.  For example, Blagojevich justed screwed the donkey (Obama is next up).  Also, beastiality is in the domain of liberalism and Democrats, along with every other wierd or perverted behavior choice.  I am neither a Democrat or liberal.

          • 1 vote
          #1.62 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:51 AM EST
          ken-ev-pow

          Spikgary (1.26),

          Nicely put.  The Republicans have accepted the fact that they lost and Bush is on his way out the door.  Let's start looking towards the future.  The Dems are going to spend so much time looking back that the next four years will pass by them without any progress being made.   Not that there would be any real progress if they paid attention. 

          SF

          Ken

          • 1 vote
          #1.63 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:41 AM EST
          Dennis C. LathamDeleted
          Ryan-

          Dennis, are that unintelligent that you have to keep coming back to insults?

            #1.65 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:33 AM EST
            DonkeyRidder

            Ryan, it's ok.  I have learned to deal with DCLs kind effectively.  He'll be miserable for weeks after being bested here.

            • 2 votes
            #1.66 - Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM EST
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            IndependentVoter

            You can bet the Feds have him on tape and probably camera. Somebody rolled over.

            • 10 votes
            Reply#2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:10 AM EST
            Buckeye Voter

            Trafficant is getting out soon. Rod can take Jimmy's cell.

            • 1 vote
            #2.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:58 PM EST
            dwolfkeeper

            It is just stupid to talk about this over a land line or cell phone these days.  He is just a straight up idiot.

            • 5 votes
            #2.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:06 PM EST
            ARCHON-PRIME

            Somebody rolled over.

            Obama's "transistion team" discovered the ongoing investigation and brought it out in the open before more damaging info on Obama & his corrupt Chicago Political Machine could be uncovered.

            • 4 votes
            #2.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:58 PM EST
            Dennis C. LathamDeleted
            JERRY COLEMAN

            no one have asked how long did Mr Fitzgerald have that information, i can bet he have had it for a long time, when the supreme court did not intervene in the illage citizens thing, this was on tap, so it would look like Mr  was involed. when Mr Fitzgerald was investigating the Bush crime he had  toindict some one and they gave up Libby, the fall guy. if you don't think that Mr Fitzgerald is playing politic, something is wrong with you.  

              #2.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:26 PM EST
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              pjwrites

              If he is, DonkeyRidder, he is not the one to blame. Blame the Bush administration, which brought these mob-like tactics to a whole new level in our government institutions. They should all be in jail. 

              "Public service" is a joke. They're all in it for what they can get out of it - not for any altruistic reasons.  It's time to clean them all out and start fresh, with some new checks and balances in place - before the "old guard" can "wise them up" yet again.

              • 7 votes
              #3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:11 AM EST
              Craig19

              Youre being facetious, right? I hope so. Blame Bush? This clown is a democrat and this type of Chicago stlye politics has been going on when GW was in knee pants. Get real.

              • 10 votes
              #3.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:16 AM EST
              jazzman646

              pjwrites,

              Blame Bush?

              What a joke.

              Look up the word credibility, then you'll see you have absolutely none.

              • 15 votes
              #3.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:18 AM EST
              pjwrites

              Are you kidding me??!?

              Craig - take off your partisan hat for just one second, okay? Now open your eyes and look around.

              They are ALL crooks. ALL of them. They have each learned how to "work the system" and, before this thing is through, Bush and the rest of his cronies will be seen for who and what they are - not Republicans, they don't deserve to be called Republicans. CROOKS. Plain and simple.

              • 7 votes
              #3.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:18 AM EST
              7OPAL88

              Correct .... this has nothing to do with republicans or Democrats .... it has to do with greed!  And look what the politicians in Washington did to our country?  bankrupt it!!! 

              • 7 votes
              #3.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:39 AM EST
              sbplayer

              Come on PJ, Knock knock Chicago? Have a clue, democrat now Republican before, democrat before that. Has no party line its just  the way Chicago has always been.No Bush here just idiots plain and simple.

              • 5 votes
              #3.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:12 AM EST
              pjwrites

              Sorry sbplayer, but Chicago doesn't have a lock on corruption or idiocy.

              D.C. owns those words now.

              • 1 vote
              #3.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:27 AM EST
              JohnRussell

              The comments in this section have one thing in common, they are largely ignorant.

              About the person that said Daley is next - Rich Daley has been mayor of Chicago for 20 years. If they had anything prosecutable on him it would come out long ago. He's too smart for the law, plain and simple. Either that or he's not the crook many people think he and his family have always been.

              As for corruption being the practice of one party or the other, don't make me laugh. Corruption is everywhere in America, and in the world. It is a proufound aspect of human existence in a modern, busy, complicated world. Corruption exists at every level of business, from the owner of a small business trying to cheat his employees out of overtime, to the institutional corruption of Wall Street where geniuses who want millions of dollars in personal bonuses scheme to invent foolproof methods of separating the sucker from his dough. And let's not leave workers out. Millions of people try to do as little work as possible for their pay, and pad their overtime hours , certainly a manifestation of personal corruption.

              Corruption is a moral issue, and one in which Americans are failing badly.

              • 9 votes
              #3.7 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:32 AM EST
              pjwrites

              What a sad vision of the world, John Russell. And if you believe your own words, then this is not an American issue at all, for if corruption is manifest in the human race, as you say, then nationality has little to do with it.

              Our elected officials are supposed to represent the wisest and best among us, they are supposed to be Socrates-like in their decision-making and selfless in their service to the greater good.

              I don't accept that it is simply "human" to be greedy and self-serving when you have been placed in a position (of trust) to serve that which should be much greater than  your own petty needs and desires of the moment. 

              • 4 votes
              #3.8 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:40 AM EST
              JohnRussell

              The human condition is 'fallen' from a higher plane. Relgious tradition teaches this. It is our job as human beings to regain that higher plane. It is seemingly an eternal struggle, and a good part of what life is all about.

              • 4 votes
              #3.9 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:58 AM EST
              pjwrites

              But I am not a religious person, and I still try each and every day to be the kind of person that I can live with and respect.

              It's about choices, John Russell - and saying that these actions are part and parcel of  "the human condition" is a cop-out.

               These people failed, period. They failed themselves and they failed us, and there is no excuse for what they did and continue to do. The only way to change things is to hold them accountable. Not send them to a white collar prison for a few years and then back home to spend the rest of their lives gloriously with their ill-gotten gains - but take it all AWAY from them - just like when the cops take the Grand Am away from the kid caught committing a crime while driving it.  

              They are not above the law, and in fact, should be above breaking the law - and above breaking the public's confidence and trust. 

              • 3 votes
              #3.10 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:06 PM EST
              Captain Steve-375838

              Blame Bush? Have you gone mad? This kind of thing seems more like a Dick Cheney model behavior. 

              • 3 votes
              #3.11 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:12 PM EST
              Dennis C. LathamDeleted
              pjwrites

              The buck stops at the top, Captain Steve.

              And Dennis, I couldn't agree more - it is because they get away with it that it continues to be a problem for the rest of us.

              • 3 votes
              #3.13 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:15 PM EST
              Behind My Screen

              Fools who blame bush for everything dilute the actual argument against him. Stop trying to tie him to everything that is wrong in the country and stick to the ACTUAL crap he did wrong. All you are doing is giving fallacious fodder to the republicans so they can fool people who are too stupid to think about their logical fallacies.

              • 2 votes
              #3.14 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:23 PM EST
              landspirit

              I am not sure it is human nature to be greedy.  I think it is our cultures that equate money with success and power.  Whatever, one has the ability to choose one's behavior and one's path.  This man chose to be greedy as well as Bush did.  They were to represent integrity and work for the health, welfare and safety of our country.  They were working for their welfare.  How or why our government has filled with corruption and greed I do not know.  One would think that those elected would represent the best.  Greed is a weakness.  Sad.     

              • 2 votes
              #3.15 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:27 PM EST
              pjwrites

              Behind My Screen, 

              Are we to blame the clerk for the store policy? No. As I mentioned earlier, the buck stops at the top of the pyramid - and  if Bush didn't know or didn't care what was going on around him, then he deserves much worse than mere "blame" for it.

              Mr. Bush was either complicit or ignorant, incompetent or traitorous, but, either way, he deserves to be left holding the bag, going down with the ship, or taking the blame - however you want to say it.

              Landspirit, you are right. Greed is a WEAKNESS and an appetite for which there is no cure. It is something to be OVERCOME and not indulged.

              • 2 votes
              #3.16 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:41 PM EST
              landspirit

              John Russel

              It is our job as human beings to regain that higher plane. It is seemingly an eternal struggle, and a good part of what life is all about.

              Very well put.  We are all on one path and we need to make a leap in behavioral evolution to a new one.   From a Christianity perspective, Jesus took man up a behavioral level.  And most religions have within a person that saw differently and had the ability to inspire and promote change.  We fight change.  So it is a huge task.  We are in dire need of a new leap.   Actual change starts one person at a time and has to flow from a personal level to a community level to a state level to a country level and if the human race is to survive to a world level.  It is that the spark that ignites change begins with one man.

              • 1 vote
              #3.17 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:42 PM EST
              roadlesstraveled

              Bush opened the flood gates to this new-old generation of corrupt government leaders. He did not create them, but he let them know they have a place in Washington that allows such corruption.

              This was always waiting in the background. Were just seeing it blatant these days.

              • 2 votes
              #3.18 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:05 PM EST
              roadlesstraveled

              These people failed, period. They failed themselves and they failed us, and there is no excuse for what they did and continue to do.

              Punishment is necessary to correct this problem. Lets make an example out of these people....like they do us.

              • 1 vote
              #3.19 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:14 PM EST
              sbplayer

              I pretty much agree with what you say you are stretching to say its Bush.Government and its corrupt personnel started years ago and they keep trying to 1up one another. Dumd asses elected by uninformed people.

              • 1 vote
              #3.20 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:46 PM EST
              pjwrites

              sbplayer,

              you are stretching to say its Bush.Government and its corrupt personnel started years ago and they keep trying to 1up one another.

              I agree with you about the roots of this endemic corruption, but Bush is the man in charge, and as such, he is responsible for the blatant disregard shown the taxpayer during his watch.

              I don't know if he is particularly stupid, particularly smart, or particularly corrupt - but I do know that this was the boldest and most blatant "nose thumbing" ever given to the taxpayer by one administration during my lifetime and in all my studies of American history.

              • 1 vote
              #3.21 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:02 PM EST
              ARCHON-PRIME

              Blame the Bush administration, which brought these mob-like tactics to a whole new level in our government institutions

              hahahahahahahahahaha!

              Corrupt Chicago Politics pre-date the Bush administration-this is what happens when the schools don't teach history.

              • 4 votes
              #3.22 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:01 PM EST
              JERRY COLEMAN

              Mr Ryan get real, this is just something to say that the president elect stole the election just like Mr Bush did.

              • 1 vote
              #3.23 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:32 PM EST
              pjwrites

              Archon-Prime,

              Corrupt Chicago Politics pre-date the Bush administration

              What American doesn't know this? And what American doesn't know that corrupt politics pre-date Chicago corruption, too? Bush is a thug, just like many were before him - but he did more damage during his administration than the many thugs before him. I can't think of a President throughout our history who distorted the constitution and the bill of rights more than he did. If there is one, enlighten us.

              • 2 votes
              #3.24 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:07 AM EST
              pjwrites

              And Jazzman,

              Exactly what is your problem? I believe I've been pretty consistent in my discussions here on the 'vine and, what's more, I generally have the goods to back up what I'm saying, so please explain to me why you feel you have to jump into any debate you come across with personal attacks and insults? What are we, like, 12 year-olds?

              If you can't debate like a reasonable adult, at least have the courtesy to make your points without attacking one's character.

              • 2 votes
              #3.25 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:18 AM EST
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              jazzman646

              This is the same type of dirty rancid Illinois politics that created and nurtured Barack Obama in his political career, and now we have allowed it to infect our govt on a national level by electing Obama president.

              Let's see how the Obama protectors at MSNBC, NBC, CBS, NYT, ABC, and other MSM so called news organizations report on this story, and spin it away from "the One".

              • 18 votes
              Reply#4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:16 AM EST
              philipe

              I'm waiting for soon to be President-elect Biden to weigh in in the situation.

              • 10 votes
              #4.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:33 AM EST
              GMM-520347

              This is the same type of dirty rancid Illinois politics that created and nurtured Barack Obama in his political career, and now we have allowed it to infect our govt on a national level by electing Obama president.

              What does Obama have anything to do with this, jazzman your hatred has shut your brain down.

              • 7 votes
              #4.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:59 AM EST
              analog ninja

              From the reading of the actual affidavit its pretty clear that Gov Rod is on his own here, repeatedly calling Obama, "that @!$%#."

              Man! What a sleazy freak!

              I highly recommend taking a gander at the document, its pretty instructive as to how greasy the wheels really are in quite possibly every state, not just Illinois.

              • 5 votes
              #4.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:15 AM EST
              JustinPM

              Jazzman, I applaud you.  Your use of hyperbole (a staple of Newsvine it would seem now) is outstanding.  In that the document Donald Turnbull has Obama's name in it all of once to describe who's seat he was trying to sell.  Pray tell O doomsayer, in the time since Obama has been elected President and today, what hath drove you to spout such doom thusly?

              • 4 votes
              #4.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:31 PM EST
              himself

              The staunch conservatives here seem completely incapable of getting away from this "guilt by association" idea... are you all just utterly incapable of wrapping your head around the possibility that not every individual who happens to occupy the same city or state as a slimy weasel are partners in crime? Please, read the affidavit, then come back and try again, after you learned something.

              • 2 votes
              #4.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:32 PM EST
              Willybird

              How about guilt by action?  Like not honoring the flag of our country; like attending a God-hating "church" of evil; like having violent fits of temper?  I'd like to know how much 'Bama paid for HIS senitorial seat... or rather, how much Oprah paid for it!

              • 2 votes
              #4.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:00 PM EST
              roadlesstraveled

              jazz....your being rediculous. Your statement is so far fetched. I have to wonder who you followers are, but then I see them right under your post. How big is your cult-like following anyway?

              • 3 votes
              #4.7 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:24 PM EST
              Dennis C. LathamDeleted
              emersontwain

              Dennis, you are gonna wear your self out on these fanatics.  Remeber they still believe the tinkerbell birth cetivicate story.  On another seed is  a direct quote on the tape  from Gov. Bugsy calling Obama a MF cause all he will give him is apreciation and wouldn't pay to play. Our guy is not in the hunt.  No matter how much wishful thinking they do. Check it out.

                #4.9 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:46 PM EST
                pjwrites

                roadlesstraveled,

                How big is your cult-like following anyway?

                I'm beginning to think they're all him, using different e-mail addresses.

                  #4.10 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:01 PM EST
                  Reply
                  EllieP

                  This apparently unrelated to Rezko; but, Chicago political machinery sure is taking a black eye.  And, who knows where it could lead?

                  • 13 votes
                  Reply#5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:18 AM EST
                  JustinPM

                  Convictions of the folks doing bad things.  That's probably where it'll lead.

                    #5.1 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:51 PM EST
                    Reply
                    Donald Turnbull

                    The land of Lincoln has become the land of jailed Governors.

                    • 12 votes
                    Reply#6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:19 AM EST
                    DonkeyRidder

                    And soon Senators!!!

                    Joy to the world! This is the biggest bailout the federal government could have given Illinois.  Well, second biggest.  But the biggest is next.  And it is cheaper than the financial bailouts.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:25 AM EST
                    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                    JustinPM

                    Donkeyridder, what Senators?  You do know that currently Obama is not a Senator right?

                      #6.3 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:52 PM EST
                      DonkeyRidder

                      Yes, Justin, I know.  Illinois had two Senators.  Durbin is a falling too.

                        #6.4 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:14 PM EST
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                        Mark the American

                        Old sayings still hold true…   

                        This is just the tip of the iceburg.

                        Obama-wolf in sheeps clothing.

                        "Change" Americans asked for it now they shall have it.

                        "Be careful what you ask for you may just get it"

                        "Birds of a feather flock together"

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#7 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:25 AM EST
                        WhyIt

                        You do realize they have Blagovich on tape saying about Obama "That motherf---er wants me to give away that senate seat for free?  F--- him"

                        • 2 votes
                        #7.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:43 PM EST
                        Bebe-2488

                        No,those accusing him don't care because they're hating on him so they assume he's just as guilty too.The Governor got his ass busted and he thought he was the boss of all boss in Chicago.

                        • 1 vote
                        #7.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:49 PM EST
                        Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                        Reply
                        Tyler Durden-330839

                        That this arrest comes after the Gov showed support for the sit-in raises my eyebrows.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#8 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:25 AM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        Does Twilight Zone Music play in your head also?

                        • 9 votes
                        #8.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:28 AM EST
                        Reply
                        Its common sense

                        They should ban him from ever making an honest dollar ever again. like they do with x convicts.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#9 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:27 AM EST
                        philipe

                        Guilty until proven innocent.

                        • 5 votes
                        #9.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:35 AM EST
                        Perry O

                        Wouldn't that mean he'd have to earn dishonest dollars?

                        • 1 vote
                        #9.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:50 AM EST
                        7OPAL88

                        Have you forgot ... we are still paying the pensions of some felons that are in federal prison.... and they were found guilty .... right out of Washington. ...  and we will be paying Sen. Stevens pension too!  We need to advocate if they are found guilty they are not entitled to pensions.

                        • 5 votes
                        #9.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:09 AM EST
                        Its common sense

                        Why do you think we have ( repeat affender' s ) that is why America is in the business of building prison cells instead of college's, Welcome to America ! Once a person get's a criminal record that person must become a career criminal. read the bottom of your job applications
                        ( have you ever been convicted of a crime. ) that is the first thing hiring manager's read to sort out those that they will or will not hire.

                        Change America. Write your representatives.com

                        we need change.

                        • 1 vote
                        #9.4 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:00 PM EST
                        Reply
                        Matthew B. Travis

                        I'm so glad I don't live in Illinois anymore. The previous governor, Jim Ryan, went to jail for massive corruption and selling commercial truck driver licenses. Since he was a republican, people naturally decided to vote for the "reformist" candidate, the Democrat, but he's EVEN WORSE. People need to stop being stupid by voting for the guy who promises to "clean up..." They always end up just Like Blagojevich or Rep. Tom Mahoney and being as bad or worse than the scum the promise to clean up.

                        • 6 votes
                        Reply#10 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:34 AM EST
                        Mego-507171

                        It was George Ryan, not Jim ,-)

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM EST
                        Kris-471083

                        Easy mistake. Jim Ryan had been Illinois' Attorney General. And I think Jim ran against Blago for Governor.

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM EST
                        Mego-507171

                        yeah, I was just clarifying. That I know of Jim isn't the crook that the other two are, so I don't want to drag his name through it...

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:26 PM EST
                        Reply
                        mymymy

                        His political affiliation doesn't seem to be in the article.

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#11 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:35 AM EST
                        Lazarillo

                        He is Democrat.   It says so in other articles.  This one seems incomplete.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:37 AM EST
                        Dr Danny

                        When a Republican is in trouble, the media makes sure the world knows. When a Democrat is in trouble, the media does their best to downplay it. Democrat William Jefferson in Lousiana was booted out by voters after his corruption but the media never really picked up on that. Democrat-sympathetic media will doing their best to sweep this one under the carpet.

                        Obama most likely has no links to this, but it sure will be interesting to find out how high up this corruption, fraud and bribery has gone.

                        • 12 votes
                        #11.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM EST
                        DamianKD

                        Ridiculous leap you made there, DrDanny. What does his political affiliation matter? Corruption is corruption.

                        This idea of a liberal media is preposterous.

                        • 3 votes
                        #11.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM EST
                        DamianKD

                        By the way, here's a link to a much more detailed story on Politico, courtesy of schnoo's seed. Kinda lays the whole "liberal media" thing to rest, I would think. Although, they don't explicitly mention his party affiliation, so I guess everyone can keep their tinfoil hats on.

                        • 1 vote
                        #11.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:00 AM EST
                        Craig19

                        I was wondering the same thing. To be honest I didnt know if he was a Republican or Democrat because the article didnt say. I had to go to Wikipedia to find out. Of course if he was a Republican the article would have made that point more clearly.

                        • 6 votes
                        #11.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:26 AM EST
                        Cody Lee

                        He is a subversive liberal card carrying socialist (democrat) and MSN doesn't want you to know that. If he had been an evil Replubican you wouldn't hear the end of it.

                        • 6 votes
                        #11.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:39 AM EST
                        Captain Steve-375838

                        No need to mention his party.  A Republican could never have a last name like that.  He would have changed it after birth to  DuPont, Vanderbilt, or Forbes, or something like that.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.7 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:15 PM EST
                        ComSen

                        What does his political affiliation matter?

                        For one thing, emphasizing Republicans in trouble and not Democrats tends to make the public think one party has more problems than the other.

                        • 6 votes
                        #11.8 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:38 PM EST
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                        TangoGolf

                        Hey...here's another example of the Leftist Media failing to mention PARTY affiliation when one of their DEMOCRAT buddies screws up.

                        Yep, the governor was a DEMOCRAT.

                        Had this been a republican governor, you Lefist print parrots would have mentioned it every other sentence.

                        It is ironic that this DEMOCRAT governor was trying to SILENCE the press, and yet you cover-up his DEMOCRAT party affiliation. What fools you are.

                        Amazing.

                        • 11 votes
                        Reply#12 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:35 AM EST
                        Lazarillo

                        When I look on yahoo main page, I see the same story, with the same author, but a longer version that does mention party affiliation.  Not sure why the truncated version appears here.

                        • 3 votes
                        #12.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:39 AM EST
                        DamianKD

                        Had this been a Republican governor, he probably would've gotten caught for pedophilia.

                        See how ridiculous that sounds? Perhaps you should lay down your partisanship and realize that all people are capable of corruption, regardless of party affiliation.

                        • 2 votes
                        #12.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:02 AM EST
                        jeffcisme

                        I just watched an 8+ minute video on MSNBC, and also no mention of his party affiliation there.  No one should be surprised by the media not mentioning it, nor should anyone be surprised about another corrupt Chicago politician.

                        • 6 votes
                        #12.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:03 AM EST
                        Brent-320354

                        We all know that MSNBC (Barack TV) backs Dems.  How else could Olbermann be the primetime show?

                        • 5 votes
                        #12.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:01 PM EST
                        roadlesstraveled

                        whaaaaaaawhaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaa...us reps are so mis treated...whaaaa

                        • 1 vote
                        #12.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:37 PM EST
                        Lazarillo

                        Cases like this are not compelling evidence of the fundamental correctness of one party or another. 

                        That the discussion so quickly turns to partisan bickering, and focuses so exclusively on it, is a symptom of a deep sickness in the mind of the American voter.   If anything can kill America, it is the rise of the Polartard.

                        • 1 vote
                        #12.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:03 PM EST
                        JustinPM

                        Yeah, why didn't they report the political affiliation.  That is something that Fox has on the ready at all times, so that they can perpetrate the us vs. them mentality needed to subscribe to that network.  So a douchebag that does some terrible @!$%# can't just be a lone douchebag but needs to be implicated in a swarm of said douchebags.  I guess it's just generally a bad day to be a federal employee in Ill. today.

                        • 2 votes
                        #12.7 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:56 PM EST
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                        gamerk2

                        Name me one state where any political figure hasn't been arrested over the past year.  Stuff like this happens, and will continue to happen, in every single state.  You don't see us calling every single Republican out there in incompetitent idoit just because the one leading their party is.  Of course, its clear a certain segment is determined to bring down Obama no matter what, even though it is clear so far there is no connection to Obama whatsoever.

                        And BTW, I can provide a 10 person list of Republican figures arrested for curroption over the past year.  Give it up already.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#13 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM EST
                        mymymy

                        One former Illinois governor is in prison already, George Ryan [R], and two other Illinois governors have served prison time: Otto Kerner [D] and Dan Walker [D].

                        The Dems seem to be ahead in this game.

                        • 4 votes
                        #13.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:47 AM EST
                        sbplayer

                        The common denominator, Illinois (Chicago). I point my finger at weak minded people under great pressure form outside influence giving into greed. Just idiots and the public are just electors of idiots.

                        • 3 votes
                        #13.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:22 AM EST
                        philipe

                        Not tomention a couple of congressmen, Rostenkowski and Reynolds.

                        • 7 votes
                        #13.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:24 AM EST
                        Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

                        Casting ALL politicians as inherently dishonest is not only false - it is also stereotyping.

                        Many are not. I can only speak for Washington state, where the vast majority are honest. Like Patty Murray, for example...a woman who would make a good VP candidate by the way.

                        • 2 votes
                        #13.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:27 PM EST
                        Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                        Ryan-

                        Obama proved himself in the way he ran his campaigne.

                        Depends on how you look at it.  Why won't he release his campaign finances?

                          #13.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:27 PM EST
                          emersontwain

                          Ok,  I gave $95 altogether,  in $5, $10 and $20 donations. AND I do not make enough money to deduct it from my taxes. 

                          There is one. Anyone else want to fess up? 

                          Most of his donations came from everyday people in small amouts. He didn't have to sell himself like most candidates.

                          Dennis, nice to see you rockin on!

                            #13.7 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:58 AM EST
                            Ryan-

                            emersontwain,

                            In a story by Fred Lucas, CNSNews reports that the Campaign Finance Institute (CFI) found that only 26% of the donors to Obama's campaign gave $200 or less, compared to 25% for President Bush's campaign in 2004. How did Obama fund his campaign? The old fashioned way, from fat cats. CFI found that he got 80% more money from large donors (over $1,000) than from those who gave less than $200.

                              #13.8 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:04 AM EST
                              JustinPM

                              From the CFI report that Ryan is calling from, particularly the conclusion. 

                              These totals force a reality check. In McCain's case, a $100 million figure from bundlers would represent almost all of the money he raised from large donors ($122 million). In Obama's case, one should combine the estimated $90 million or so he received with the help of bundlers through August with the remaining $120 million or so from other large donors, and then compare it to the $119 million he raised from small donors through August. The comparison should make one think twice before describing small donors as the financial engine of the Obama campaign.

                              So we have the following.  McCain ends up with $122 million and Obama to my math ends up with $329m, of which $119m is through small donors.  Now, my math may be bad, but $119m of $329m is 36%.  And of that, in the article sourced below it states that some of the large donors were people that donated $200 multiple times. 

                              As far as sourcing the document in the first place, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

                              In Obama's case, one should combine the estimated $90 million or so he received with the help of bundlers through August with the remaining $120 million or so from other large donors, and then compare it to the $119 million he raised from small donors through August.

                              Usually if you're trying to make a case, estmations and approximations are not entirely too good.

                              Source

                                #13.9 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:30 AM EST
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                                gamerk2

                                I also love Republican reasoning:

                                1) Obama is from Chicago

                                2) A Chicago politician is corrupt

                                Thefore: Obama is corrupt

                                Anyone see the issue with the above logic?

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#14 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:45 AM EST
                                Ryan-

                                Rezko, Blagojevich, Acorn...

                                • 5 votes
                                #14.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:56 AM EST
                                mymymy

                                "a Chicago politician is corrupt"

                                giggle

                                • 4 votes
                                #14.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:08 AM EST
                                babby war vet girl

                                well its not relly were you come from that says who you are is it?

                                sigh whats with all the race killing?

                                • 2 votes
                                #14.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:08 PM EST
                                OBAMA-FAN

                                Logic? We don't need no stinking logic! LOL

                                • 2 votes
                                #14.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:36 PM EST
                                EllieP

                                CNBC just reported he's been released on $4,500 bail.  That seems generous....

                                • 7 votes
                                #14.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:00 PM EST
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                                John Rawlings

                                This story sickens me....but it doesn't surprise me. Anyone even remotely acquainted with the history of Chicago politics probably isn't shocked by this.

                                Oh, for the days when the words duty, honor and honesty meant something. Now you can only find examples of those things in two places - history books and the US Marines, (and I'm certain that some of you here on NV will disagree with me on that!).

                                So long as the citizens of this nation tolerate such bare-faced political corruption we will continue to have a regular parade of stories like this. It's high time that each citizen support the decent, honest and honorable politician rather than the ones that will do anything to achieve their goals - no matter WHAT party they belong to. Give me an honest politician over a "party-line" candidate any day....even if I disagree with their stances!

                                For a nation to be honorable and duty-bound, its leaders must also fit that mold. Even a cursory glance at what passes for our congress nowadays clearly shows that we have lost our way. The arrest of the Illinois Governor this morning while trying to "sell" a senate seat is merely just one more indicator of a long-term rot.

                                - John

                                • 13 votes
                                Reply#15 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:49 AM EST
                                Spikegary

                                John,

                                I would add Air Force, Army, Navy and Coast Guard to your list.

                                • 6 votes
                                #15.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:48 PM EST
                                dwolfkeeper

                                JR, the day of the citizen-statesman died long ago when we allowed the politician to become a real job.  Paying these dinos in DC the amount we pay them is ridiculous.

                                They should only get a raise on a vote from the people according to the job they do.  Allowing these thugs in DC to vote themselves a raise is like putting the mice in charge of the cheese factory.

                                • 9 votes
                                #15.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:24 PM EST
                                EllieP

                                Term limits, across the board.  The dog catcher should have term limits.

                                • 9 votes
                                #15.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:00 PM EST
                                dwolfkeeper

                                Term limits on congress is exactly what I'm talk about.  And NO LAWYERS!!!!

                                • 8 votes
                                #15.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:21 PM EST
                                John Rawlings

                                "I would add Air Force, Army, Navy and Coast Guard to your list."

                                True....I stand proudly corrected!

                                • 7 votes
                                #15.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM EST
                                Spikegary

                                Thanks John!

                                • 3 votes
                                #15.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 7:00 PM EST
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                                worldcurmudgeon

                                This is exactly the problem we are having with our government and fascist business connections. Graft, corruption, and exploitation rule. I hope he gets the full extent of the law, and lots of jail time. This is going on in every state in this United States, the corruption is rampant. Doesn't this 'Governor' make enough money, doesn't he have enough power?

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#16 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:57 AM EST
                                Mego-507171

                                Ok for those of you who seem to have selective memory the last govenor, a Republican, is serving time in prison. (George Ryan)... And the Republican govenor before him was accused of corruption. Blagojevich is just perpetuating the corruption that has gripped that office for decades. The city govt of Chicago is also corrupt, but does that mean every state senator and representative and every senator and representative to the federal govt is a crook or part of the machine? Not hardly.

                                As for people crying leftist conspiracy to keep this out of the news... allegations of this govenors corruption have filled Illinois newspapers since day one of his office. You know what? The people of Illinois ellected him AGAIN (sort of like we the people elected the Bush administration twice). Why did they elect him again? God only knows. Well, the Republican had ties to Gov. Ryan's office, Blago was a crook and running the state into the ground, and the third was a Green candidate. The green actually got a lot of votes, including mine, and my very conservative father's vote.

                                I am glad the man got arrested, but don't expect it to be the domino effect you anticipate.

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#17 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:02 AM EST
                                mymymy

                                One wonders how much sooner these charges could have been brought if Fitz wouldn't have been pulled away from the investigation to satisfy the bloodlust for Scooter Libby.

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#18 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM EST
                                Al inWisconsin

                                Don't be shocked and this is not unique to Illinois.  I work for the State of Wisconsin and it appalls me what is happening in the political backscratching arena.  How do you think campaigns can raise so much funding??

                                Wake up People!!  I hope Mayor B is an example that can help turn the tide.  We need to keep a close eye on politicians.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#19 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:20 AM EST
                                Al inWisconsin

                                I meant Governor Blagojevich

                                • 1 vote
                                #19.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:34 AM EST
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                                Ernest Balkan

                                As John Rawlings said, anyone who is remotely familiar with Chicago style politics will not find this a surprise.  I lived in Chicago many years ago and the politics was "corrupt" in that it was a rough and brutal political atmosphere.

                                I am not happy to hear that Gov. Rod  Blagojevich of the North side of Chicago has been indicted by the dishonest,  ungodly  attorney general or U.S. Attorney Patrick Fritzgerald.  May a jury of the Governor's peers find him innocent of all charges.  Let us hope this never goes to trail.  The nerve of a "lame duck" U.S. Attorney!

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#20 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:22 AM EST
                                sbplayer

                                I think your calling a kettle black.

                                • 1 vote
                                #20.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:27 AM EST
                                Ryan-

                                They probably went forward with it, because they new that Obama would sweep it under the rug. 

                                Yeah, the nerve to extort money!

                                • 3 votes
                                #20.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:28 AM EST
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                                Brent-320354

                                Looks like we'll finally get that unity everyone's been talking about:

                                two former Illinois senators (Republican and Democrat) sharing a prison cell...

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#21 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:22 AM EST
                                Brent-320354

                                Sorry-I meant Governers...

                                • 2 votes
                                #21.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:27 AM EST
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                                IndependentVoter

                                I told you So

                                A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.

                                • 10 votes
                                Reply#22 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:26 AM EST
                                delic

                                Always intriguing to find the political affiliation of guilty Democrats buried in the filth of the story.  Whereas, if a Republican is found guilty of winking at an aide, the headline of the story will read something like, "Republican Senator involved in sex slave scandal."

                                Chicago politics is rife with corruption; this is common knowledge.  Electing a graduate from the college of Chicago politics is a butt-stupid choice.  Making one of them President escapes any logic.  The thinking people of America will suffer from the under-enlightened herds.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#23 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:27 AM EST
                                estela2008

                                This is really bad :--(

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#24 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:42 AM EST
                                EllieP

                                And sad :-{

                                • 6 votes
                                #24.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:01 PM EST
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                                Firewitch

                                 What I would like to know is he still going to be able to appoint someone to fill Obama's vacant Senate seat? If he is not able to do it then who does the job fall to?

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#25 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:55 AM EST
                                John Fredericks

                                Obviously if he is arrested, he is no longer govenor.

                                  #25.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:03 PM EST
                                  Kris-471083

                                  How is that obvious, if he hasn't been convicted yet? Don't get me wrong, I think Blago's a piece of crap, but shouldn't there be a trial first? Maybe there's something about Illinois law that I'm missing here.

                                    #25.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:16 PM EST
                                    Brent-320354

                                    Arrested like Kwami Brown was arrested? 

                                    He is still Governer until proven guilty.

                                      #25.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:19 PM EST
                                      Jay Butler

                                      Obviously if he is arrested, he is no longer govenor.

                                      I believe that he is Governor until he either resigns or is convicted.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #25.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:27 PM EST
                                      Kris-471083

                                      OK, here's the relevant part of Article V of the Illinois constitution:

                                      SECTION 6. GUBERNATORIAL SUCCESSION

                                      (a) In the event of a vacancy, the order of succession to the office of Governor or to the position of Acting Governor shall be the Lieutenant Governor, the elected Attorney General, the elected Secretary of State, and then as provided by law.

                                      (b) If the Governor is unable to serve because of death, conviction on impeachment, failure to qualify, resignation or other disability, the office of Governor shall be filled by the officer next in line of succession for the remainder of the term or until the disability is removed.

                                      (c) Whenever the Governor determines that he may be seriously impeded in the exercise of his powers, he shall so notify the Secretary of State and the officer next in line of succession. The latter shall thereafter become Acting Governor with the duties and powers of Governor. When the Governor is prepared to resume office, he shall do so by notifying the Secretary of State and the Acting Governor.

                                      (d) The General Assembly by law shall specify by whom and by what procedures the ability of the Governor to serve or to resume office may be questioned and determined. The Supreme Court shall have original and exclusive jurisdiction to review such a law and any such determination and, in the absence of such a law, shall make the determination under such rules as it may adopt.
                                      (Source: http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/con5.htm )

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #25.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:37 PM EST
                                      Spikegary

                                      25.1  Obviously wrong.  Just because someone is arrested, does not make him guilty, does not force his removal as governor.  Where in the world did you get that idea?  If he is convicted, dependent on Illinois State Law he may or may not be forced to resign or be removed.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #25.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:53 PM EST
                                      Buckeye Voter

                                      Obviously if he is arrested, he is no longer govenor.

                                      Ted Stevens is still a senator and he was convicted.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #25.7 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:00 PM EST
                                      EllieP

                                      Yup.  Disgusting, but this prevents government from arresting officials just to get them out of office.  Necessary evil.

                                      Thank goodness Alaska and Louisiana voters "saw the light."

                                      • 9 votes
                                      #25.8 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:02 PM EST
                                      sbplayer

                                      assistant governor!

                                        #25.9 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:02 AM EST
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