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Final touch: A cosmetic lift for your funeral?

Tue Dec 9, 2008 9:00 AM EST
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msnbc.com News — Diane Mapes, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com
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— The recent boom in cosmetic procedures has raised the bar for many of us when it comes to appearance. And, it turns out, the dead are no exception.

As the population has become increasingly sophisticated about procedures to enhance their appearance, so have their requests, morticians say, for smoothing lines, plumping lips and even boosting sagging parts for that last big special occasion — their funeral.

“People used to say, just throw me in a pine box and bury me in the back yard,” says Mark Duffey, president and CEO of Everest Funeral, a national funeral planning and concierge service. “But that’s all changing. Now people want to be remembered. A funeral is their last major event and they want to look good for it. I’ve even had people say, ‘I want you to get rid of my wrinkles and make me look younger’.”

Morticians have always performed a bit of cosmetic magic when it comes to recapturing the lifelike appearance of a person who’s passed on. What's happening now, however, is some people are making advance arrangements for these final touches and in ways they never used to even think about.

“I’ve had people mention that they want their breasts to look perky when they’re dead,” says David Temrowski, funeral director of Temrowski & Sons Funeral Home in Warren, Mich. “Or they’ll say, ‘Can you get these wrinkles out?’ It’s all in humor, but I think people do think [more] about what they’re going to look like when they’re dead and lying in a casket.”

Typically, the mortician's craft, termed restorative art, involves everything from setting a peaceful facial expression (which has to be done before the embalming fluid enters the body’s circulatory system and “sets” the tissue) to erasing the ravages of age, disease, or trauma (using tissue filler, wax, stitches, or even Super Glue in the case of broken bones) to recreating the deceased’s individual style with regard to hair, nails and makeup.

Considering the similarities between their restorative techniques and today’s trendy cosmetic procedures, you might even call them the plastic surgeons of the dead.

“My brother’s a plastic surgeon and I joke with him all the time that funeral directors were doing Botox long before any doctor thought of using it,” says John Vigliante, owner and manager of the Branch Funeral Home in Smithtown, N.Y. “Or at least we use a material that’s similar. We‘ll inject tissue fillers into the lips, the nose, the cheeks, above the eyebrows, the chin, and the hands. It’s the same concept as Botox and dermal filler.”

While advanced cosmetic work is needed for those who’ve suffered traumatic deaths such as in a car accident, even “everyday” deaths require a fair amount of restoration in order to bring the person back to a recognizable state.

Lips are plumped, cheeks are filled and contoured, and hollowed hands are injected with filler to give them what Vigliante calls “a nice fuller appearance.”

Cosmetic concerns
These recent cosmetic concerns come as no surprise to Dr. Anthony Youn, a Michigan-based plastic surgeon who’s practiced in Beverly Hills, Calif., and appeared on the television show "Dr. 90210."

“Society is unfortunately getting more and more vain as time goes on,” says Youn. “Fifty years ago, no one would have thought about how good they’re going to look when they die, but now that’s probably something the ‘Real Housewives of Orange County’ talk about. If they die, they want to look good in their casket. It’ll be one last time to show off their new outfit and their plumped lips.”

Some are so concerned over their final appearance, they’re foregoing a funeral altogether.

“We do a lot of the movie stars and they usually don’t want anyone to see them dead because they can’t control their appearance,” says Noelle Potvin, a family service counselor at Hollywood Forever, a 109-year-old funeral home and cemetery in Hollywood, Calif. “They just want a private ceremony.”

According to funeral planner Mark Duffey, in today’s looks-obsessed climate it’s basically all or nothing at all.

“Right now, we have a population that’s grown up with plastic surgery and Botox and they’re leaning towards either looking really good at their service or not having their body there at all,” he says.

Oddly enough, some of those who’ve had work done in life may undergo one last procedure after death.

“I require that the mortuary remove any kind of silicone implant before the body is delivered here for cremation,” says Aida Bobadilla, manager of the Los Angeles Odd Fellows Cemetery and Crematorium. “Whether it’s in the breast or the calf or the bicep or the cheek or wherever. Silicone implants will explode. They’re like little bombs.”

According to Mike Nicodemus, spokesperson for the Cremation Association of North
America, there are no national regulations that call for the removal of such implants and he’s not experienced problems with silicone during cremation. But others say enhancements are a bit of an issue now and will become more of one in the future.

“Our crematorium wants to know if the deceased has them,” says Vigliante. “And then we have to get permission from the family to have them removed. As boomers age, we’re going to be seeing more and more of this.”

Final touches
More commonly, families are consulted with regard to a loved ones’ overall appearance. They’re asked for pictures (which morticians use as a guide) and recommendations for facial hair, makeup, nail color (if any) and hair. Some families provide the funeral home with makeup and personal stylists.

“I have a lot of families who bring in a hairdresser or barber or makeup person to make sure the decedent looks good,” says Pam Vetter, a funeral celebrant (a funeral planner who creates personalized services) from Los Angeles. “If grandma went to get her hair done every Friday, they want to make sure her hair looks right.”

Occasionally, people will ask funeral homes to make other adjustments, especially if a long battle with illness has left their loved one looking emaciated or bloated due to medication.

“Some people will request that I ‘put a little more weight back on mom,’” says Margaret McKenna, funeral director for Nichols Funeral Home in Wilmington, Mass. “That’s an easy request.”

These final preparations are not for everyone, of course.

Embalming is avoided in Jewish and Muslim tradition, with interment taking place as soon as possible after death. Other people forego open casket funerals for personal reasons, preferring to remember their friends and relatives as they knew them in life.

But viewings — either public or private — are still very much a tradition in the U.S. In a 2008 survey of 385 consumers conducted by American Funeral Directors magazine, nearly 70 percent of respondents said their most recent funeral experience included the viewing of a body.

While sometimes traumatic, experts say these final goodbyes can be healing.

“Viewing the body helps move people along in the grieving process,” says Donald W. Steele, a Middleboro, Mass., psychologist who’s offered grief counseling for the last 30 years. “Seeing the deceased helps break through all the shock and disbelief and denial. It’s a vivid, visual acknowledgment that that person is no longer living.”

For those who’ve watched their loved one suffer through a debilitating illness, seeing them looking peaceful — sans hospital tubes, disorientation and pain — can also be comforting.

“My grandmother was extremely ill the last year of her life with ovarian cancer and a horrible case of shingles on her face,” says Annette Stanhope, a 36-year-old communications coordinator from Portland, Ore. “It was pretty rough. But at the funeral, she looked very relaxed. She looked like herself again.”

A badly botched embalming, on the other hand, can have the opposite effect.

“I went to my aunt’s funeral in 1988 and they did a horrible job,” says Georgia Migliuri, a 51-year-old advertising executive from Seattle. “She had liver cancer and you’d think that all that pain would have been erased from her face, but it wasn’t. She still looked like she was in agony.”

‘She looks better dead than alive’
Expectations – especially in an age of cosmetic miracles – can sometimes be tricky, though.

“Seventy percent of the time, people will bring in old photos or say, ‘I want my mom to look like she did in 1951,’” says Steve Murillo of Hollywood Forever. “That’s not possible. I’m a mortician, not a magician. But I always tell them, I’ll do my best.”

Just as in life, in death appearance is everything.

“One of the most important things in our business is how the body looks,” says Vigliante, the New Jersey funeral home owner. “Many people don’t realize the transformation that takes place. Their loved one will go from being unrecognizable to looking at peace, looking like themselves. It’s gratifying for us when the family walks in the room and says, ‘Thank you. That’s my mom’. We take a lot of pride in helping a person look good.”

As our appearance-conscious culture becomes more attuned to looking good — even to the grave — these skills may become as highly sought after as those of a Park Avenue plastic surgeon.

“If my family has an open casket, I want to be fixed up to the max,” says Migliuri, who says she’s still haunted by her aunt’s appearance. “I want to look good. I want them to fill in my wrinkles; I want people to say, ‘God, she looks great. She looks better dead than alive.’”

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Silicon Valley Dr

Somebody is still living in the gilded age.  True to form, some people continue to find money to pay for cosmetic surgery, even while resisting paying for necessary medical care.  As for those who don't even have the money that would give them the choice ... 

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 11:59 AM EST
Michigan Mark

Please folks....Check into "GREEN FUNERALS or Burials"

Many states now have this where no embalming takes place.  

Because of Embalming many of the old cemetaries are basically chemical cesspools.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:48 PM EST
Lkessler

Who says vanity ends with death?  Even dead people want to look good--and that goes beyond the usual makeup....

Well, now I can say I have heard of everything.  But wait, let me correct myself--I am sure something even more outrageous will pop up soon.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:50 PM EST
GOZO-unlimited

Morticians do not set a peaceful look on ones face....that is a myth. At most....they sew the mouth shut.....(to the roof of the mouth) but the expression is up to you. Having worked in the industry I have seen expressions actually change depending on the death process and what the person is experiencing. Morticians do however use fillers to enhance the face especially when emaciated or damaged due to injury, and believe me family members are very critical about the body closely resembling the person in life. Embalming is only required for public viewing....family members may hold a private viewing without embalming....just be sure the body is refrigerated.

    #1.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:24 PM EST
    EllieP

    Okay, I suppose I really have heard it all now.  Post-mortem nips & tucks?  That puts a new spin on vanity.  I mean, do I really want to look better dead?  Nope.  Closed casket, thanks.

    • 2 votes
    #1.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 9:40 PM EST
    Lkessler

    Ellie, but really--we haven't heard everything. That's why I took mine back!

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 9:44 PM EST
    EllieP

    I do like the gentleman below who wants to be buried face down!  [giggle]  I'll keep an open mind and check here again.

    • 2 votes
    #1.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 10:00 PM EST
    Lkessler

    Ellie:  I told you we hadn't heard everything...  :o  ;D

    and I too, loved his idea. 

    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:09 AM EST
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    Enid-765662

    As a mother of a 15 year old girl that just passed away 2 weeks ago after going through a bone marrow transplant.  I was willing to give or pay anything to have seen her for one last time.  The mortician that we used, refused us from seeing her.  He said she looked so bad that we would not want to see her like that.  We asked him repeatedly to see her.  I did not care what she looked like.  I had been by her side for the last 3 months of her life.  I had to see her endure so much pain and anguis I just wanted to see my baby one last time. 

    So the article is correct in saying that seeing someone just one more time is part of the grieving process.  Now I cannot say goodbye because I wanted to see if she is at peace.  So now it is so hard for me to move forward because a part of me still doesn't want to beleive that she is gone.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 12:33 PM EST
    Kirk-521383

    I'm so sorry for your loss and all the garbage you were put through by the funeral home.  How ever they wanted to call it, you have an ABSOLUTE right to see your daughter.  Most states won't tell you all your rights, but MOST must even allow you to view the embalming process, if you so choose, or the cremation, again if you wish.  You have had your LEGAL rights violated.  May God ease your pain as you go through this time of sorrow.

    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:52 PM EST
    HeatherWithaC

    Enid- I hope your daughter is at peace even though you are still struggling with the loss. If you look for them, you will find signs that she is at peace, whether you are a spiritual person or not.

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:13 PM EST
    GOZO-unlimited

    The mortician who would not allow you to see your daughter broke the law. As next of kin YOU have the power to make that decision. The only time that the mortician can overrule you is if there is a health risk....such as if the body has decomposed to the point of requireing a body bag to contain the remains.

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:29 PM EST
    Lkessler

    That mortician broke the law--as next of kin you were entitled to see her.  I would have dialed police and had 'em show up at that second. 

    And you're right--it's hard to believe someone you love is gone if you don't see them in the flesh.  I wish you peace--any loss is devastating, but the loss of a child is even more so.

    • 3 votes
    #2.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:45 PM EST
    Linda7777

    No one can stop you from seeing your love one at passing that funeral home did indeed brake the Law and should be reported. It is your right to close the box at the end just before it is taken and if is a closed casket when everyone leaves you man open it and view your love one for the last time. In every state there is a consumer protection group you should notified them and start proceedings against this director and have him removed.

    • 1 vote
    #2.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:59 PM EST
    Linda Dahlstrom

    Enid, I am so sorry for your loss - and also for your experience in not getting to see your daughter's body one more time. As one mother to another who has lost a child, my heart is with you.

    • 2 votes
    #2.6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 8:54 PM EST
    Donald Steele

    Enid,

    I am so sorry for your loss and that you didn't get to be with your dear daughter. Nothing will replace her or the opportunity you were deprived of. As you work through your grieving treasure other important memories that you have and I hope lots of your loving friends will be there for you.  

      #2.7 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:00 PM EST
      JENN9298

      ENID......As a LICENSED funeral director/embalmer I can tell you that as an immediate family member, you had every right to see your daughter after she passed....In order to make an accurate statement on your behalf, please verify that what you stated above is correct and nothing left out.......Even in the event that a person's post mortem condition had been gruesomely enhanced, (i.e., burn victim, automobile accident, decomposition, etc) you would STILL would have the right to view/identify an immediate family member. In a situation such as this, as a professional, I would determine the extent of the situation, give you my opinion but if you still insisted, a viewing disclosure affidavit would have been offered to you to sign, releasing the funeral home and its' affiliates from being liable and subject to lawsuits or financial gain that may ensue due to the emotional and physical stress the viewing may cause.

      Every state is monitored by their own Funeral Directors and Embalmers Board. They monitor compliants and watch dog the funeral industry. You have a right as a consumer to contact then if you feel your rights have been violated. The funeral industry is also watched closely by the FTC (Federal Trade Commission)....

      Please investigate this situation further.....I am curious what state this happened in and how many previous complaints this specific funeral home may or may not have on record with the FD & E Board.......

      Good luck!

        #2.8 - Tue Feb 3, 2009 5:34 PM EST
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        John in Moapa

        After living 8 years in one of the "Plastic Surgery Capitals" of the world (Palm Springs area), I sure hope the dead can be made to look better than their living counterparts.  It's sad to see an 80 year old with a face that's been stretched to paper thin smoothness.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#3 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:49 PM EST
        lildoc

        I cannot believe people are really that vain. Removing the signs of trama or illness is very well understood and indeed, can be instrumental in easing the strain of grief for a family. What good is a face lift after you're dead? We need to be more concerned on how good the life is we led, instead of what we will look like when they toss dirt on us.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#4 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:10 PM EST
        lildoc

        I cannot believe people are really that vain. Removing the signs of trama or illness is very well understood and indeed, can be instrumental in easing the strain of grief for a family. What good is a face lift after you're dead? We need to be more concerned on how good the life is we led, instead of what we will look like when they toss dirt on us.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#5 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:11 PM EST
        augusta33

        Amen to that, Lildoc.

          #5.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:00 PM EST
          Vandmyshadow

          That's why vanity is one of the 7 deadly sins

            #5.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:54 PM EST
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            Dan-410533

            I'm having a flagpole implanted in my arse with a parrot perch so my parrot can whistle Dixie while I wave ole glory.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#6 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:28 PM EST
            Vandmyshadow

            lmao thank you for that laugh

              #6.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:54 PM EST
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              bitterblogger

              I, on the other hand, have no trouble believing people are that vain. And that foolish. I can hardly think of a more ridiculous way to spend your money. How anyone can justify this is beyond me.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#7 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:30 PM EST
              Voxsilen

              I can hardly think of a more ridiculous article than this to be featured in the Health section of any news magazine. People may be vain, but the source of such crap it tries to pass off as newsworthy is even vainer.

                #7.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 9:01 PM EST
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                Sunbeam

                That's just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.  LOL

                • 1 vote
                Reply#8 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 3:54 PM EST
                HeatherWithaC

                My husband and I want to be cremated and turned into diamonds. That's the coolest way to be sent off into the next world in my opinion.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#9 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:06 PM EST
                smrtcookie04

                Too bad that those who are so vain as to have plastic surgery after they are stone cold dead cannot see fit to smooth the path for their souls instead of smoothing the lines in their faces.  They could do so much good by distributing that money in their last will and testament to provide reconstructive surgery to living children who have been disfigured by disease or fire or other accident.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#10 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST
                DH-356393

                Vanity and selfishness tend to go hand in hand.

                  #10.1 - Tue Feb 3, 2009 4:05 PM EST
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                  Brian-328194

                  What was that song from the 70's ?        Your So Vain.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#11 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:25 PM EST
                  Mommaschell

                  Why is this article considered news worthy of the frontpage of MSNBC?  Oh please.  What kind of society have we sunk to?  Are we so grossly dissatisfied with ourselves  that we would even think of having cosmetic techniques performed on our corpses after we are dead?  Are we in such atrocious denial that our country is on the brink of economic collapse that the media will publish anything to take our minds off of the reality that stares all of us in the face?   I am so tired of reading People magazine when I want to read meaningful news stories.  I think that dumbed-down American culture has sunk to an all-time low, especially in mainstream (supposed) news reporting...!

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#12 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST
                  Nancy-759242Deleted
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                  P. Snackenburg

                  These people have to look good when they vote for Illinois democrats.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#13 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:40 PM EST
                  Pocket Change

                  You sound like an idiot

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM EST
                  HartlessBeest

                  Snackenburg is suffering from a serious case of Limbaughitis. 

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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                  Otto,Ephrata

                  P. Snackenburg.......WOW...you still crying......get a grip man its over!

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#14 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:49 PM EST
                  doctor invincibilis

                  just another small piece of evidence of the fact that we are the most self-indulgent civilization in history. the imperial romans and the victorian brits aren't even in our league. between this, diet pet food (that's right, a significant proportion of our pets are too fat!), cars that tell us where the nearest pizza (sushi, tapas, etc.) place is, female genital  cosmetic surgery, 'natural male enhancement', jet skis and atv's, etc., etc., ad nauseam.........

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#15 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:52 PM EST
                  Linda-592568

                  Ashes thou art and to ashes thou will return.  So many more important things to be concerned about such as the goodness of your life and love you have shown in your lifetime.  Then one need not be concerned for God will give you a glorified body.

                  Maybe the lack of faith has made so many people so concerned with earthly things.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#16 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:13 PM EST
                  Sunbeam

                  No, dear.  No faith here, but after-death cosmetic surgery is not the sort of earthly thing I consider worthwhile.  I say, do some good for the living and gift that money to charity or to your family.

                    #16.1 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:08 AM EST
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                    Joanne Hoover

                    I have a different story.  My mother developed a Bell's palsy at the age of two.  All her life she was terribly self-conscious about her 'crooked face' and felt she was worthless. Her appearance actually worsened over the years. When she died at age 76, I'm sure the local funeral director believed her face was the result of a stroke, and did something to straighten it out, but no other gussying-up with makeup or curled hair.  She'd always asked for a closed casket ('I don't want people staring at me'), but when my husband and I and  our children arrived from out of town an hour or so before the funeral, the casket was still open awaiting our personal viewing.  To our horror, many friends and relatives were already there, abuzz.  They'd seen her, and when we did, it was the greatest gift we could've been given -- to see her as she might have been since early childhood.  Her soul was always beautiful, but now her appearance was, as well.  I am eternally grateful.

                      Reply#17 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:20 PM EST
                      GOZO-unlimited

                      Chances are the mortician did not perform cosmetic improvements on your mother. More likely the effects of Bell's palsy diminished when she passed and the nervous system relaxed.

                      • 2 votes
                      #17.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:32 PM EST
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                      Kathy Kramer

                      I have heard of some SICK things but this takes the cake.  To look better dead than you did alive is just wrong........  Frankly I think the whole country needs a good shrink! 

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#18 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:24 PM EST
                      Natasha-766276

                      What the @!$%#?!

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#19 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:28 PM EST
                      Prof1940

                      I am certain I would have not survived the night without this story.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#20 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:35 PM EST
                      Vandmyshadow

                      lmao

                        #20.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:59 PM EST
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                        mary smith-360018

                        The recent boom in cosmetic procedures is one of the biggest ways that proves that a sucker is born every minute! Give me a FOR REAL person with a variation of yellow teeth and a smile that produces millions of wrinkles any day! When too many dermatologists entered the marketplace, they found a way to make money: convince people that they "need help." Now people whith MEDICAL skin conditions have to wait weeks for appointments because the derms are afraid plastic surgery$$$patient$ will go somewhere else if they have to wait for an appt! Dentists invented teeth whitening when less cavities produced less revenue. Overly white teeth look like dentures on a mass-produced, generic person! Orsl surgeons go to seminars to learn how to talk people into cosmetic surgeries rather than learning how to be gentle with soft tissue!

                        Why are we not paying attention to the essence of a person rather than the appearance? And wrinkles? Wrinkles are as noble as the age and life experience it takes to get them! You can dress a pig up with tooth whitening, botox, and plastic surgery - and even just lipstick! - but it is still a pig! And many "pigs" are beautiful if they would simply cultivate their personalities and let themselves shine thru with honesty!

                        What is beautiful about Madonna? Excess. Excess? Any person who overbuilds their body or gets botox or plastic surgery for "the look" is gullible - they look stretched out, robotic, and dead before they are dead....and then to get all this done AT DEATH? OH PLU-EZE!

                        WHY NOT JUST GET REAL!!!!!! BE REAL in life and in death!

                        If you want admiration in death why not donate your organs to help others or your whole body to a medical school? Why not be cremated so less land space will be used - not to mention the $ saved! Why waste $$ on a post deathbed beauty contest - people will remember what you looked like? ...Oh, for pictures? get real people - this is SICK!

                        • 6 votes
                        Reply#22 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:49 PM EST
                        doc of va.

                        boy if they went broke...aahhh

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#23 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:50 PM EST
                        Proud Liberal-597681

                        I'll be dead and I plan on being cremated, so I don't care what I'll look like. This just sounds like another way to part people from their money.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#24 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 5:59 PM EST
                        Jojo50

                        I am with the guy that said through me in a pine box and bury me in the back yard! That is fine with me.

                          Reply#25 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:09 PM EST
                          angelosdaughter

                          I was with my mother and my father when each died. I had made my father's arrangements when I was told he wouldn't live out the year. It was to be a direct cremation, and those of us who wanted to see him one last time were to come to the nursing home. I remember the mortician asking if he should have someone come out to tidy Papa up because it isn't easy to see someone who has just died. I said, "No, he was my father and there's nothing about him that will be hard to look at. I will just be so sad he is gone." I was called by the nursing home. They said he probably wouldn't live out the night, so I was able to be there when he passed, one of the great privleges of my life. He just kept on looking like Papa. The family came to visit one last time; we told stories, laughed and cried  and six hours after his death we helped the undertaker place Papa in the body bag and followed him out the hearse.  I was also with my mother. After asking the nurses to remove all the tubes. I washed her, shampooed her hair, and put her teeth in. She never wore makeup. She looked absolutely beautiful.  Two days later when we went to the visitation, she didn't even look like herself.

                          I am leaning toward direct cremation with no funeral. If people want to memorialize me, tell stories about me at  family gatherings. This funeral business has gotten out of hand. All of these amenities cost money.  Why beggar the living to bury the dead?

                          That made-up to the nines face is not hopefully the face the loved ones will remember, anyway. They will remember the face of the living loved one that they saw every day.

                            Reply#26 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:09 PM EST
                            Jojo50

                            I agree with you. I would rather my family remember the last they saw me alive. I don't won't their last memory of me dead.

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                            #26.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:24 PM EST
                            Jojo50

                            The funeral home will not make much money from my dead body.

                              #26.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:25 PM EST
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