Angry UAW members lash out at Southern senators

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DETROIT — Festering animosity between the United Auto Workers and Southern senators who torpedoed the auto industry bailout bill erupted into full-fledged name calling Friday as union officials accused the lawmakers of trying to break the union on behalf of foreign automakers.

The vitriol had been near the surface for weeks as senators from states that house the transplant automakers' factories criticized the Detroit Three for management miscues and bloated UAW labor costs that lawmakers said make them uncompetitive.

But the UAW stopped biting its tongue after Republicans sank a House-passed bill Thursday night that would have loaned $14 billion to cash-poor General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC to keep them out of bankruptcy protection. The Bush administration later stepped in and said it was ready to make money available to the automakers, likely from the $700 billion Wall Street bailout program.

Still, autoworkers remain angry with the senators who tried to negotiate wage and benefit concessions from the union, then scuttled the House-passed bill that would have granted the loans and set up a "car czar" to oversee the nearly insolvent companies and get concessions from the union and creditors. Their top targets were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.; Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., who led negotiations on a compromise; and Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., who has been a vocal critic of the loans.

Kentucky, Tennessee and Alabama all house auto assembly plants from foreign automakers, and union officials contend the senators want to drive UAW wages down so there would be no reason for workers at the foreign plants to join the union.

"They thought perhaps they could have a twofer here maybe: Pierce the heart of organized labor while representing the foreign brands," UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said at a Friday morning news conference in Detroit.

Republicans in several Western states — where unions are often shunned — joined the Southerners in opposition.

But lawmakers and their spokesmen said the criticism is off base. Jonathan Graffeo, Shelby's spokesman on the Senate Banking Committee, said the senator has consistently opposed taxpayer-funded bailouts.

"He opposed the Chrysler bailout in 1979 when there were no foreign auto manufacturers in Alabama, and he opposed the recent $700 billion bailout of the banking industry," Graffeo said.

"Bailouts generally don't work, and this is a huge proposed bailout, and I fear it's just the down payment on more to come next year," Shelby said on the Senate floor Thursday night. "These companies are either already failed or failing, and that's a shame. These aren't the General Motors, Ford and Chrysler I knew."

Corker said the alternative he tried to develop would have provided federal money in exchange for restructuring the companies' debt and making the UAW more competitive in wages with workers at U.S. plants of Japanese competitors.

"Our members wanted to know that the UAW was willing to be competitive," Corker said.

"I basically pleaded with them to give me some language by some date certain that they were competitive with these other companies," Corker said. "That's where it broke down."

Hourly wages for UAW workers at GM factories already are about equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota — generally viewed as the main competitor of the Detroit Three — says it pays about $30 per hour. But the unionized factories have far higher benefit costs.

The union, GM and Chrysler have contended that the companies have restructured and the UAW has granted concessions that would make them competitive in 2010, but the economy went south this year and forced them into trouble. A third Detroit automaker, Ford Motor Co., asked for loans in case of emergency but says it has enough cash to make it through 2009.

Union officials also accused the senators of retaliating for the UAW's overwhelming support of Democratic candidates in federal races. The union gave $1.9 million to Democrats but only $11,500 to Republicans in the 2008 election cycle.

Many Democrats support the Employee Free Choice Act, which would take away employers' rights to demand a secret ballot on whether workers will join a union. Instead, workers could form unions by getting a majority of employees to sign a card in support of it.

"There's a lot at stake. If Republicans think now they can tarnish labor, it's going to be difficult to pass the Employee Free Choice Act," said Gary Chaison, professor of labor relations at Clark University in Worcester, Mass. "The unions are going to say that a strong labor movement is good for America. One of the things Republicans are trying to show now is that a strong labor movement isn't good for America."

Other union officials joined Gettelfinger to form a chorus of anger and frustration with the senators.

"What this is is the Southern conservative senators trying to destroy the United Auto Workers, trying to destroy unions," said Mike O'Rourke, president of a UAW local at a GM factory in Spring Hill, Tenn., Corker's home state. "It's a sad day in America when the senators turn their back on Main Street."

In an effort to help the auto companies get federal aid, the UAW last week offered to delay company payments into a union-run trust fund that will take over retiree health care costs starting in 2010. It also agreed to end the controversial "jobs bank" program in which laid-off workers get most of their pay and benefits after unemployment pay runs out.

Most Southern U.S. auto plants run by Toyota, Honda Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co., BMW AG, Daimler AG and other manufacturers are nonunion. The UAW has tried numerous times without success to organize workers at the foreign-owned factories.

Spokesmen for Toyota and Nissan declined comment, but Honda spokesman Ed Miller said in a statement the company did not lobby against the bill.

"Honda has been encouraging initiatives that would maintain the short- and long-term viability of the U.S. auto industry, including the hundreds of the shared supplier companies in the United States," he said.

As the Detroit Three have declined and ceded market share to the foreign nameplates, the UAW's membership has plummeted 69 percent, from a peak 1.5 million in 1979 to 465,000 at the end of 2007.

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Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas in Washington and AP Business Writer Ellen Simon in New York contributed to this report.

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Gettelfinger, at a news conference Friday in Detroit, said he doesn't think the union will have to negotiate wage cuts or other terms with the White House for the industry to get federal loans.

For that reason alone I hope this federal loan fails.  Hell, BofA won't even loan them the money they need because it's a bad risk.   

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.  

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Reply#1 - Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:16 PM EST
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What people do not seem to understand is that if the UAW is "broken" then it's just a matter of time before the same thing happens to all the Unions. The steel workers, the mine workers and so on. The "A" by the way in UAW does not just stand for Auto..but also for Aeronautical and Agricultural workers. There is no reason in the world that these workers should loose up to 1/3 of their salary(which are no way as high as the news media is reporting) just to satisfy the demands of greedy Republicans that have bent over backwards to satisfy the demands of non-union plants in Tennessee, Alabama, and Kentucky..where the money does not even stay in the United States...but goes back overseas to their parent companies. I'm not saying that there are not problems in our Auto industry..that is understood. Also, it's obvious that the UAW needs to help our country out by making some type of concessions, but the manner this was approached last night was totally wrong.

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Reply#2 - Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:09 PM EST
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Mercedesb - you are so right.  It is soooo nice to see someone with intelligence file a comment.  Not just the bashers as have been known too!!

If the Big 3 fail - then America will not be far after it.  Not will the trillions owed to China!!

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    #2.1 - Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:16 PM EST
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    {"commentId":4409987,"authorDomain":"mfk"}

    when you get used to being payed noting you will be looking someone anyone to get a union going. unions forever is what i say!

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    Reply#4 - Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:05 PM EST
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    I think they should have taken the wage cut, but its not only the wages its benefits too. And one thing that gets me is how many line workers does it actually take to put a car together?? I bet if you looked at some of the American made  so called Imports, they use half the labor to get the job done.Wouldn't it be easier to take the jobs where you have one person installing only a couple of bolts and have that person put in a few more bolts in and cut the work force in half?????Most everything is done with power tools or power assist,  I do know I'm glad to be out of the plastics business in a more stable industry that is growing.

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      Reply#8 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:32 AM EST
      {"commentId":4414794,"authorDomain":"tennisbone"}

      Anyone who thinks we make to much can kiss my ass . I was hired by Chrysler because they hire veterans i did three years in the Army.If you ask me that is as American as you can get.i think you southern @!$%#s are still mad about the civil war that you LOST.and im ready to come south again and kick some of your communist asses.Let us go to war with Japan or China and ask them to use their southern factories to build are tanks and aircraft im sure they will open the doors wide open ha you idiots better wake up.Maybe you are all a bunch of pussies unwilling to stand up for your rights but we in the north will fight for what is RIGHT no matter what.

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        Reply#9 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:21 PM EST
        {"commentId":4416596,"authorDomain":"slferd"}

        The republican party claimed that president elect Obama wanted to redistribute the wealth. The same old party want to redistribute the wealth!Support the company off the backs of labor. The average american worker can not afford to live in america. The american worker works more hour a WEEK than most industrial countries and earn's less wages and benefits.The goverment sent all the good paying jobs over seas and left the low paying jobs here. The cost of every thing continue to rise now that we can't afford medical,schooling,fuel ,food and the cost of the bail out that our childern will have to pay for  YOU WANT TO REDUCE WAGES? We are not like you republicans who will spend millions to take a job that shall never repay what it cost to secure that job. Explain your benefits to us. Leave the auto worker's alone and find a way to raise the wages of our fellow worker in america        

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        Reply#10 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:12 PM EST
        {"commentId":4418360,"authorDomain":"plasticman-1-1999"}

        I don't think that the unions are at fault for wanting more , its also the companies too, they gave in to the demands during contract talks, they don't build anything that is dependable or gets good gas mileage,

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          Reply#11 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:09 PM EST
          {"commentId":4423147,"authorDomain":"bevos4"}

          They gave in to demands, because workers go on strike when they don't get their own way. That's what the unions taught them.

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          #11.1 - Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:54 AM EST
          {"commentId":4439081,"authorDomain":"mfk"}

          you all wish you had a union to back you so you could buy what ya build

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            #11.2 - Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:59 PM EST
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            {"commentId":4418479,"authorDomain":"netmasta10bt"}

            I think I get it.  The little three automakers are like the 'golden gooses' for people who do not understand economics.  They believe that they are the ones that hold up the US economy.  They are familiar with the names because they see them daily on their commutes.  People believe these companies are huge and far reaching because they are basically the only real manufacturing businesses left in the US that they see on a daily basis.

            Am I right?

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            Reply#12 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:24 PM EST
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            YOU GOT IT!!!!!

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            #12.1 - Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:55 AM EST
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            {"commentId":4419291,"authorDomain":"greeneyed76"}

            i just want to say...not all nazi's gas jews, some just blindly advocate stealing 'for the public good'

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            Reply#16 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:09 PM EST
            {"commentId":4419381,"authorDomain":"netmasta10bt"}

            that's how it all started.  in the beginning it was a kinder gentler nazi.  what many countries are going through today.  doing things for 'the public good' as you put so well.

            it doesn't take much for a government to start their own off country permanant dention center for the dissidents.  oh wait.

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            #16.1 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:19 PM EST
            {"commentId":4419518,"authorDomain":"greeneyed76"}

            I'ts sad to see so many brainwashed kids to come out of government schools.   Spoon fed every ounce of their meager mental capabilities without the ability to reason or use logic, only to regurgitate what they read in the mass media.
            They can't even man up say stealing is ok (in their view).  I guess its hard to realize your a nazi.

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            #16.2 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:38 PM EST
            {"commentId":4419527,"authorDomain":"greeneyed76"}

            It really says something about a person that has to come back with an analogy about their gym shoes.

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            #16.3 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:39 PM EST
            {"commentId":4419601,"authorDomain":"netmasta10bt"}

            I'ts sad to see so many brainwashed kids to come out of government schools.

            Exactly.  The "Hitler Salute" was actually pioneered in the Great USA.  Heres some great photos of the early days of the pledge of allegiance with the kids saluting http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html  .  After the war it was changed to over the heart.... Didn't want to be like Hitler --- oh no!

            Kids are taught to be nazi in government schools from day 1.

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            #16.4 - Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:49 PM EST
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            {"commentId":4421045,"authorDomain":"lkelnhofer"}

             I am only glad the bailout failed due to Democratics wanting (Sociailized) Czar telling our Auto Manufactures who what when where how in production of future autos...this never works, one has to allow freedom to fail in ones inovativeness, Tho i must say what i heard from the CEOs currently running said companys..they need to look for work elsewhere.as they lack vision for the future...just watch the commericals...still pushing big gas hogs....we I thihk have lerned from the 70s tho prices are low now..they will rise again and all the higher from what happened this time around.

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            Reply#19 - Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:57 AM EST
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            {"commentId":4512699,"authorDomain":"andream68"}

            i myself could care less if the bailout failed your all the blame from the top c.e.o. to the guy gettin paid 30 dollars an hour to sweep the floor ..all you wanted was more more more now youve got it along with all those toys and big houses youve gotta pay for and your companys collapsing so enjoy what youve all created.. hey why dont you strike again maybe thatll help .....

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            Reply#21 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:46 AM EST
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