White House promises new last-ditch auto rescue

The resulting comments by the principles in tThe aftermath of the Senate vote last night defeating a loan for GM & Chrysler reminds me of a bunch of kids in 5th grade getting caught red-handed writing on the rest room mirrors.

"I didn't do that!" - "It wasn't me!!

HA! Now listen to all the politicians. both DEM & GOP, and the UAW's Gettlefinger. "Wasn't our fault!!

You kids want to play in Big Time you need to grow up!!

Does Ron Gettelfinger think he is doing the auto makers a service with his condescending remarks directed toward southern republicans. I kind of feel like I did after I made a contribution to the red cross for katrina victims, and then heard ray nagin going on and on. I've always preferred to buy American...but now I'm thinking about that Tundra, or is that too classy for an ignorant red neck.

Auto makers will get their bailout, heaven forbid if they have to live paycheck to paycheck like ME!!!!!!!!!

Reads, "Americans, the Auto Industry WILL get your tax money one way or another."

Strange that the airline industry is always told to go pound sand and restructure with 100's of 1000's of jobs on the line, but now that the piggy bank has been broken I guess everyone should get some. 

If he follows through with this and provides relief, then it's about damn time Bush did something positive for the American workers! What they hell took him so long?

There are so many muddled strings of arguments here, that within a class perspective, always leads to class conflation, contradictions and redundant dogma.  It will take social conflation to sort out all the issues to a common denominator and real social center and moral plane.  Start off with Bush's Presidential press secretary and you can tell she, as a deformed middle class apologist has no sense of ideology, terminology to history:

"Under normal economic conditions we would prefer that markets determine the ultimate fate of private firms," White House press secretary Dana Perino said"

Even under "normal economic conditions", and holds true throughougt much of our class history for the last few thousands of years, including today's LATE CAPITALISM, corporate fascism, market exchange alongside deformed social exchange produces class relations, through a class structure where the middle layers are fractured, divided by lower unpaid, enslaving classes, that keeps the social middle, moral middle and social principle of wealth stunted, and its middle layers fearful, servile, whose position then become "privileged", by subordinating both its middle and lower classes in the service of oligarchies and Empire.

Therefore markets have always operated in skewed fashion, deformed by class relations, and crippled social wealth, crippled its middle and working classes through a class mechanism and operating even in so called "normal" conditions, class conditions as a ponzi scheme that favors the top classes.  As the class process degenerates over time, destroying democracy, and finally prostrating its middle and working classes, for a handful of aristocrats, the class mechanism breaks, murdering the middle/working classes and in turn the parasites find themsevles unable to get the golden productive classes to continue to lay golden eggs for them.  Therefore we are no longer, even in normal crippled class conditions, we have a corporate fascist system, whose class despotism, has allowed criminal corporations to destroy not only America's economy, but the world economy as a whole.  THE MARKET IS BROKEN, BECAUSE THE CLASS MECHANISM IS BROKEN.

Then we have two sets of class elites completely subservient to the class dogma, false terminology, the "free markets" which never existed, historically, with class relations, and can only exist through social relations, egalitarian wealth condtions, as Adam Smith's supply and demand principle intended, to operate as a social wealth principle not through a class principle.   The democrats as a class party, corporate party, with their liberal class ideology, are completely clueless when you have misleaders like PELOSI who said this above:

"In a letter to Bush, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged the president to demand "the same tough accountability" and taxpayer protections from the automakers as was contained in legislation that cleared the House at midweek." 

She and the democrats asked no questions, made no real conditions on the bail out of Wall Street for the tune of a trillion dollars, when the majority of the public were opposed to the bailout that completely failed. She is the last person to talk about "accountability' since the Democratic party has failed at every turn to do oversight, not only in the economy, but foreign policies where these class whores appeased Corporate fascism.

Still the double standards, class standards perpetuated by these two class ideologies, and two class parties as a whole, need to be sorted out with regard to the real economy, production vs the financial phony economy of Wall Street speculators.   This really is a double standard, one cannot compare throwing a trillion dollars to Wall street, who produce nothing, but siphon off social wealth, to productive industries and workers who produce products, no matter how corrupt its management is.   14 Billion dollars to rescue an industry gets shot down by Fascist republicans who only want to destroy middle class jobs, and Good Unionized middle class wages.   Smashing Unions through bankruptcy is no different than fascist attacking workers parties in NAZI Germany, to force them into slavery.  NO DIFFERENCE.   Here is the despotic class fascism of the Republican corporate thugs:

"Whatever the reason, the effort stalled when Republicans voted en masse against advancing the original House bill to a final vote late Thursday night."

With class whores, democrats, and class thugs, republicans helping corporate fascism to smash the remnants of the middle and working classes, and the world economy, who needs friends like these?    We need an alliance of working and middle classes to put into place  a social principle of wealth, that dissovles all class hierarchies, until the global class mechanism is replaced with a social global mechanism for democracy and full development.

The basic issue, is whether the rest of Americans have take money out of their pocket, as taxpayers, and give it to GM to pay union workers $78 per hour in benefits.

What are these union workers doing, brain surgery, that commands this kind of money per hour.

How in the world did they extort that kind of money out of what has been known to be a dying Detroit for many years now.  They killed the goose with the golden egg.

The whole mess stinks to high heaven, and these workers need to get a big haircut down to sensible wages.

If the union workers need more bucks to survive, then, they take on 2nd and 3rd jobs like many other Americans.   I know many people that work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet.  

If the unions will not work for less, then, close down and pull the plug on these dead companies.

The union chief is a slick and shrewd union boss, sweet talking, looking so smug and innocent and pleading for mercy on his needy workers that have already cut to the bone.

This union boss ought to go, like the rest of auto management.

The Senate let it fail for a reason.  Let them go under.

If in fact, the UAW is major stumbling block to government help than it is the final proof that unions, especially this union has way over extended its usefulness.  Unions were a good thing when they came into being, workers were abused and literally at the mercy of the employer, but that was 70 years ago.  The UAW has done as much damage to the American auto industry than any design, management or marketing diffuculties any of the big three ever have had.  The pay or die attitude of the UAW may now end the very industry it supposedly has been fighting so long for its members.  And frankly, that should happen.  The wages paid, exclusive of benefits for basic labor work is preposterous.  And the health, pension and unemployment compensation an auto worker has for life is stealing, worse than any overpaid executive. 

The UAW should dissolve, the government should lend money as necessary to allow our primary manufacturing centers continue and oversee the technology, not the management.

The bail out will keep people working, But, If the average American who lost their job or on a budget can not afford to buy a car then how is that helping the economy?

Everyone is panicking and looking for an easy way out. The auto industry is no different. First of all, the union screwed this. There was a time for unions...that time is no more. Secondly, do we really want a "car czar?" Do we want the government controlling out automotive choices? If we're going to nationalize something, nationalize healthcare. Automobiles are not nearly as necessary. I know it sounds crass to those at the bottom of the automotive foodchain that will lose jobs temporarily, but the issue is that greed has it's consequences. The CEO's of the auto industry were just as greedy as Wall-Street bankers, and now those in their companies must unfortunately pay the price. 

Clear thinking, just help them or else there are consequences as seen.  The other countries are showing what will happen.  Greek riots.  Some country is just going to default on US loan I think I just read!!  Congress you need to stop the dem vs rep and get together and resolve this crisis.  It will just continue as it has been.  First it was one small vein not there are larger and larger veins...  I pray for everything and everyone involved to have a clear head and resolve this in the best possible way.  This is my little tiniest of parts in this whole situation.

And no this is not spalin kind of God.....

Well, Obama will change all of these. He will spend a lot more for Auto Industry and Bankers.

I vote to support he California farmers