US auto sales drop in 2008, recovery unclear

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DETROIT — After a year in which U.S. auto sales tumbled 18 percent and GM had its worst year in nearly a half-century amid slack demand fueled by a terrible economic outlook and growing job worries, automakers are reluctant to predict when a recovery might occur.

An even sharper sales decline in December alone means that record high rebates and low-interest financing deals will stick around until at least February. But those deals will likely disappear as the remaining 2008 models are sold and inventories are lowered to match demand.

One automaker, Hyundai Motor America, is trying to woo skittish buyers by promising to let them return cars for up to a year if they lose their jobs and can't make the payments.

Similar bold moves might be necessary throughout the year.

Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday that it is suspending production at all 12 of its Japan plants for 11 days over February and March.

The last time Toyota halted production at all its Japan plants was in August 1993, when demand plunged because of a rising yen, and that was for only one day, according to the company.

"We are coping with a slump in global sales," Toyota spokesman Hideaki Homma said Tuesday. "Demand in the world auto market is so depressed that every model is falling sharply in sales."

Toyota last year suspended production at its auto plants in Alabama, Indiana and Texas for three months, and shut down output for two days in December at all its North American vehicle factories including five in the United States, one in Canada and another in Mexico.

Chrysler LLC also shut down its plants for a month in December, longer than the usual two-week break, while General Motors Corp. has said it would shut down a plant in Thailand for up to two months.

On Monday, automakers said U.S. sales fell to 13.2 million in 2008, down 18 percent from 16.1 million in 2007. Consulting firm IHS Global Insight predicts that U.S. sales will drop to 10.3 million this year as the economy continues to sputter.

In December alone, U.S. sales plunged 36 percent.

Most automakers were pessimistic about the first quarter outlook. After that, some were hopeful that President-elect Barack Obama's stimulus package would kick in, coupled with a loosening of credit that could bring people back to the showrooms.

Every major manufacturer reported drops of more than 30 percent in December. Leading the largest year-over-year drop since the Arab oil embargo days of 1973-74 was struggling Chrysler LLC, which sold 53 percent fewer vehicles than last December and 30 percent fewer in 2008 than in 2007.

GM's sales of 2.9 million vehicles last year were down 23 percent and came in at the lowest number in 49 years.

Even Toyota and Honda Motor Co., which earlier in the year had seen increases, saw declines in December that were larger than their U.S.-based competitors'. Toyota was down 37 percent and Honda 35 percent, compared with Ford Motor Co.'s 32 percent drop and GM's 31 percent slide. Nissan Motor Co. sales also dropped 31 percent.

Ford's sales for 2008 fell 21 percent from a year earlier, keeping the Dearborn automaker in third place in the U.S. auto sales race behind GM and Toyota for the second straight year.

Chrysler, which received $4 billion in federal loans, attributed its nasty sales drop to the company reducing sales to low-profit fleet buyers such as rental car companies.

Some smaller manufacturers, though, fared better. Subaru of America Inc. said its U.S. sales crept 0.3 percent higher in 2008 on stronger sales of its Forester and Impreza models.

Auto sales started the year slightly under 2007's pace, but by May, U.S.-based automakers were suffering as gasoline prices started to rise toward $4 per gallon and people shifted from buying pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles to smaller, more efficient cars.

Then, in July, as gas prices neared their peak and the economy started to falter, sales tumbled and never recovered the rest of the year, even though gas subsided to under $2 per gallon.

Lower gas prices have cut into high-mileage gas-electric hybrid vehicles toward the end of the year. Toyota reported sales of the Prius, the top-selling hybrid in the U.S., fell 45 percent last month.

But Jim Lentz, president of Toyota Motor Sales USA, Lentz was optimistic that hybrid sales would rebound.

"We're going to see fuel prices creep up a bit," he said. "I think the overall greening of America is going to see an increase in hybrid (sales) as well."

GM's December results were boosted by heavy sales incentives, including financing offers announced last week after the Treasury Department said it would give $5 billion in federal aid to the Detroit automaker's ailing financing arm, GMAC LLC.

Michael Martin, who owns Chevrolet and Saturn dealerships in Manassas, Va., said he saw customer traffic and phone calls pick up almost immediately.

"I'd like to see (the financing offers) really take hold over the next 30 to 45 days," Martin said. "Hopefully, we'll start seeing some real upticks."

But Mark LaNeve, GM's vice president for North American marketing, said he expects sales incentives to drop as GM sells down 2008 models. It still will be competitive in areas such as midsize cars, where Toyota has been offering $3,500 incentives on its top-selling Camry model, LaNeve said.

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AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit and Dan Strumpf and Bree Fowler in New York contributed to this report.

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{"commentId":4672367,"authorDomain":"phillips-brian"}

....as we all fester in the mire of a clock-watching "President".

This is what happens when we hire the born-rich as our leaders. Bush has gotten a pass on everything he's ever done - why should he be motivated to act now.

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Reply#1 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 2:44 PM EST
{"commentId":4686074,"authorDomain":"jhp73"}

IT IS STUPID to buy a new car with depreciation rates, lenders need to relax restrictions for loans on used cars ( oh but that would be smart ) also the stupid credit system needs to be blown up and start over. How do you get a loan when one ding negates a loan IT ALL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#1.1 - Tue Jan 6, 2009 1:24 PM EST
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{"commentId":4672650,"authorDomain":"prm-1"}

  CORE PROBLEM...  The hidden cost of owning a New vehicle is staggering...  Starting with DRIVE OFF depreciation...  Consumers are putting off the purchase of high ticket items.. in this case.. The Auto industry is its own worst enemy...   NO FREE LUNCH....  Those 0% loans are paid for by the consumer at the end of the loan with greater depreciation of asset...  And that is the #1 cause of folks being upside down in their car loans...   

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Reply#2 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM EST
{"commentId":4672757,"authorDomain":"tishamauro"}

The number one reason people are upside down in their cars is simple economics.  There is no demand for more cars right now.  Demand is what keeps prices up.

Rebates and financing offers don't help but that is not the #1 reason. 

Zero demand = Zero value.

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#2.1 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM EST
{"commentId":4673151,"authorDomain":"gregziglar"}

My Ford is 10 years old.  For the first time ever, I have a car more than 5 years old.

I found myself the other day saying to someone, "But it only has 170,000 miles."

I'm going to keep it till it stops running, then I'm going to try not owning a car at all, as I now live downtown and have decent mass transit.  It's not perfect transportation, and I'll have to take a taxi now and then, but even taking a taxi twice a week is cheaper than a car, gas, maintenance, tags, and parking. 

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#2.2 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:37 PM EST
{"commentId":4674298,"authorDomain":"vlodblogger"}

maybe also because they do not have jobs?

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#2.3 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 4:49 PM EST
{"commentId":4675255,"authorDomain":"icexe"}

I have a 1994 Ford Explorer that just hit 170,000 miles myself. I often look longingly at new cars, but then I realize my trusty old Ford cost me less than $1000/year to maintain, far, far less than a new car payment would. It's in good shape and is very reliable.

I am even toying with the idea of replacing the engine if it should finally die on me instead of buying a new car.

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#2.4 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 5:59 PM EST
{"commentId":4676296,"authorDomain":"mayania9800"}

I purchased a 2004 Honda Odyssey last year that only had 35,000 miles. Purchased from Honda lot as a used certified vehicle. I feel I got a better deal than spending over 30,000 on a new vehicle. I do not plan on purchasing another car for a while, only purchased due to having a third child and needing a larger vehicle. My other vehicle is a paid for 1997 Accord with 90,000 miles which I plan on keeping as well.

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    #2.5 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 7:14 PM EST
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    {"commentId":4678858,"authorDomain":"mayania9800"}

    I thank them as well for making such great quality vehicles.

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      #2.7 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 11:02 PM EST
      {"commentId":4680882,"authorDomain":"PartysOver"}
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      {"commentId":4681988,"authorDomain":"mayania9800"}

      First of all if I choose a foreign vehicle how does that mean I am not supporting my country? I have not had good experiences with many American vehicles in the past. I feel Hondas are long lasting vehicles. It is my choice. I respect anyone who chooses to buy all American as well. As for my husband he drives a Honda too and yes, he is in the Army. By the way, he is from Michigan and his father retired from the Ford auto plant and his brother works for GM. I own a home and pay my taxes like any other American. So I own Hondas, if you feel that makes me unAmerican than so be it. I am aware all car makers are suffering at the moment.

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        #2.9 - Tue Jan 6, 2009 9:26 AM EST
        {"commentId":4682377,"authorDomain":"PartysOver"}
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        {"commentId":4683192,"authorDomain":"mayania9800"}

        My husband is aware being that his father may lose his retirement and his brother was recently laid off. I understand what will happen if one of them goes under, but I in no way feel guilty for owning Hondas. I cannot afford to have to replace a vehicle every so many years because it fails. I did take the time to test drive many American vehicles as well but when it came down to it I chose to stay with Honda.

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          #2.12 - Tue Jan 6, 2009 10:50 AM EST
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          {"commentId":4710138,"authorDomain":"aluk51"}

          i just don't understand these military people they see what the rest of the world is trying to do to  the u.s  and still the they buy there crap and try to tell the rest of us they had bad u.u made stuff. why don't they just say they are bargain hunters and that is what got us here. i just don't give a dam buy american....

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            #2.14 - Wed Jan 7, 2009 10:42 PM EST
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            {"commentId":4672812,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

            The core problem is not the 0% loans but the low quality and value of American Cars. I assert that is the reason for the upside down loans. My Toyota has 0% for three years and I can guarantee that my loan will not be upside down.

            Time to get rid of Insurance companies which is the real hidden cost of Auto ownership.

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            Reply#3 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:14 PM EST
            {"commentId":4672955,"authorDomain":"tishamauro"}

            People are upside down in every model of vehicle right now.  No make or model is exempt from the downturn in the auto industry.  The car sales pie is shrinkning and until the shrinking stops values will continue to go down.  Make no mistake, your Toyota is not worth right now what it would have been 4 months ago. 

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            #3.1 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:23 PM EST
            {"commentId":4674812,"authorDomain":"PartysOver"}
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            {"commentId":4677038,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

            Thanx for that link, I will go with Toyota everytime and learned from the school of hard knox. Traded my 97 Tacoma which had 200,000 and ran like brand new.

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            #3.3 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 8:13 PM EST
            {"commentId":4677165,"authorDomain":"PartysOver"}
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            {"commentId":4697901,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

            not over it, I will agree with your statement however I never bought an automobile as an investment. Did you ever see the old commercial where Toyota is pulling out the "Like a Rock - GM" from the mud? Or the one where the girlfriend pushes the Tacoma off the cliff, not a scratch on it? funny

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            #3.6 - Wed Jan 7, 2009 9:10 AM EST
            {"commentId":4710177,"authorDomain":"aluk51"}

            ahhh

             now i get it, its the commercials that gets yall to buy this crap

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              #3.7 - Wed Jan 7, 2009 10:45 PM EST
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              {"commentId":4672823,"authorDomain":"phillips-brian"}

              They should all just offer outrageously low leases.

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              Reply#4 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:15 PM EST
              {"commentId":4673162,"authorDomain":"gregziglar"}

              I might pay $10 a month for a Benz Maybach!

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              #4.1 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:38 PM EST
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              {"commentId":4672910,"authorDomain":"chrisboese"}

              I'll bet there are some Southern GOP lawmakers with egg on their faces with this news. They, after all, based the CORE of their objections to a U.S. automaker bailout on how healthy the foreign automakers were doing in their states, with special tax breaks and non-union labor.

              No problem with our auto industry, they said, whistling past the graveyard. We don't believe in protectionism, unless, of course, we are the ones doing it under the guise of bringing "industry" to our states, and protecting its non-union component (in some cases, those non-union workers were even making more than union workers in Michigan, making objections to "union wage demands" ridiculous and moot).

              After all, there's nothing wrong with subsidizing the industries of other nations on U.S. soil at the expense and attrition of U.S. manufacturing, right?

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              Reply#5 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:20 PM EST
              {"commentId":4674837,"authorDomain":"PartysOver"}
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              {"commentId":4683469,"authorDomain":"chrisboese"}

              Thank you, PartysOver.

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              #5.2 - Tue Jan 6, 2009 11:11 AM EST
              {"commentId":4683487,"authorDomain":"PartysOver"}
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              {"commentId":4710193,"authorDomain":"aluk51"}

              PartysOver

               shot them were they live, good one.

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                #5.4 - Wed Jan 7, 2009 10:47 PM EST
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                {"commentId":4673211,"authorDomain":"prm-1"}

                  Why are we looking at December sales numbers..  Did any one expect December.. the end of the worst financial year in 3 decades to be a stellar auto sales month?... 

                 Credit/401 k losses. huge debate on t.v. with auto industry and congress/ News indicating the fall of the Big three... we already knew that Toyota was in the dumpster..

                Now ad Bad Weather/Travel delays/ Job uncertainty/ mortgage meltdown/ property devaluation/ Lenders freezing or reducing personal and business credit... And oh yeah.. The closing of over 900 dealerships. nationwide.. Tough to emphasise Value/Quality/or affordability in these conditions.. And.. Time to fix the Glitch.. Not  Yet..

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                Reply#6 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:40 PM EST
                {"commentId":4680718,"authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}

                How many millions lost jobs last year? At todays prices for new cars being sure of having a job that will pay for it is a good plan? Or are you willing to give up the ranch for a mobile bedroom?

                Thousand bucks in repairs to keep the old one running is only 3 months or so of payments on a new problem?

                Get back to basics, don`t buy it unless you need it, take the want it out of the picture. Save money, the government can`t!

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                Reply#7 - Tue Jan 6, 2009 5:34 AM EST
                {"commentId":4688400,"authorDomain":"johnfranklinmason"}

                What's special about being American is the right to chose.  American manufacturers chose to use foreign content in their products.  For profit they chose to compete for lower wages but not make their products competitive in design, mileage and quality, until they are behind the eight ball.

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                Reply#8 - Tue Jan 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST
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