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Health insurer accused of overcharging millions

Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:51 AM EST
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— One of the nation’s largest health insurers has agreed to pay $50 million in a settlement announced today after being accused of overcharging millions of Americans for health care.

The New York attorney general’s office launched an investigation after receiving hundreds of complaints about Oxford Insurance and its parent company, UnitedHealth Group, which claims to rely on “independent research from across the health care industry” to determine reimbursement rates. In actuality though, it relies on Ingenix, a research firm owned by UnitedHealth Group.

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo says Ingenix has been manipulating the numbers so insurance companies pay less. In a just-released report, he contends that Americans have been “under-reimbursed to the tune of at least hundreds of millions of dollars.” Although UnitedHealth Group and Oxford Insurance were the only entities investigated, other major insurers use Ingenix, including Aetna, CIGNA and WellPoint/Empire BlueCross BlueShield.

“This is a huge scam that affected hundreds of millions of Americans [who were] ripped off by their health insurance companies,” says Cuomo. “This was unethical, and it robbed vulnerable patients of insurance reimbursements they deserved.”

A battle on two fronts
Sixty-four-year-old Mary Jerome of Yonkers, N.Y., is one of those who complained to the attorney general. When Jerome was diagnosed with advanced ovarian cancer in 2006, she chose to go to Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, an out-of-network hospital under her insurer, Oxford, reported NBC News correspondent Jeff Rossen for the TODAY show.

The insurance company determined via Ingenix that many procedures Jerome needed — including chemotherapy medications — were not considered “usual, customary or reasonable.” After three surgeries and treatment for an embolism, Jerome was left owing $46,000.

Weakened from cancer and frightened over her finances, Jerome was fighting a battle on two fronts. She remembers “the devastation it gives to a patient who is at the worst time in their life. They’re trying to fight one battle, and then they have to fight a second battle when they have nothing — physically, spiritually, emotionally — left to fight with.”

But Jerome’s daughter, Eva, who is a Manhattan lawyer, encouraged her mother to appeal to the state’s attorney general. Jerome’s complaint was one of hundreds from angry customers, which prompted Cuomo to launch an investigation of the insurer.

“This is huge. This problem went across the country,” Nancy Nielsen, president of the American Medical Association, told the TODAY show. “It’s industry-wide, throughout insurers. So, it touched every state. Many doctors, many millions of patients, and this has been going on for years.”

More insurers under investigation
Cuomo is now investigating other insurance companies that use Ingenix’s database to determine reimbursement rates for patients and taking steps to make sure this won’t happen again in the future.

The $50 million UnitedHealth Group will pay as the settlement will be used to create a nonprofit organization that will determine reimbursement rates for patients.

Jerome’s cancer was in remission for 20 months, but returned in October. Her employer, Columbia University, where she is a lecturer in the English department, now uses United Health Care, another insurer owned by UnitedHealth Group, the company that owns Oxford. But so far, her experience with her new insurer has been “perfect,” Jerome says. She says she’s “thrilled” with the settlement the New York attorney general’s office has reached with UnitedHealth Group.

“My main hope now and in the future is that patients won’t have to go through this,” Jerome says. “It’s much more than money; it’s being treated with honor and dignity. I think that’s what’s going to change.”

Since Jerome complained, Oxford has refunded her thousands of dollars.

In a statement, UnitedHealth Group told TODAY: “We respectfully disagree with the New York Attorney General’s findings that we manipulated data … (or that our ownership of Ingenix was a conflict of interest.) We agreed to his settlement because it was an effective way to address any perceived conflict of interest.”

Cuomo says he’s now looking into other health insurance companies for exactly the same thing. So, there may be millions more on the line here as well.

In addition, some patients plan to bring a class action lawsuit against UnitedHealth Group.

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Bill-679089

I don't see any type of far and balanced reporting on this issue.  I don't know who is at fault, but I'd like to know the following:
How much was was the SUM of her health bills?  I see that she was balanced billed $46k.
Also, how much more was the bill at Sloan than at another hospital?

I think 1 of the biggest issues with healthcare is costs.  I find it interesting that an issue about billing, you don't go into the actually charges the hospital gave.  Also, why did she choose to go to an out of network hospital?  How far was she traveling to go there?  And did she have a chance to go innetwork?

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:20 PM EST
qudrcps

I find it interesting that an issue about billing, you don't go into the actually charges the hospital gave.

Actually, what the actual costs she encountered are irrelevant.

As one who has worked in healthcare for years, I've been waiting for someone like Cuomo to address the fiction of "UCR" (Usual, Customary, Reasonable).

So what is Usual and Customary? The 50% percentile nationally? The 50% in rural Nebraska when applied to New York City? The mean (average) charge, or median charge, or the 75% as opposed to the 50%.

Of course, the worst of these is Reasonable?  As in Reasonable to whom? (The CFO of the insurer, the medical specialty organization, to the level of care provided in rural Mississippi to that provided in Seattle?)

In all these years, I'm trying to remember if any patient (including myself) has ever received full payment for anything as a UCR.  Cuomo is absolutely right - this is nothing but a huge "black box" into which light never shines.

I must admit I feel rather foolish to have missed this one.  I've known that Ingenix was involved in the procedure coding business for years, but had no idea that it was owned by United HealthCare, or was the source of so many major insurers UCR data (UHC, BC-BS, Aetna, etc.)  In retrospect, I'm not surprised in the slightest.

It is amusing that the statement from UHC states...

We respectfully disagree with the New York Attorney General’s findings that we manipulated data … (or that our ownership of Ingenix was a conflict of interest.)

Obviously no in the biz quite understands the term "arm's length transaction" due to the virtual failure of any kind of oversight during the past 8 years.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:58 PM EST
Echoe

I'm not surprised at ALL.  It's been YEARS that people have been complaining, DOCTORS have been complaining and HOSPITALS have been complaining.  FINALLY someone got down and did the job.

As for "conflict of interest"  DUH, United!  You OWN the company that FIXES the prices that DETERMINE what insurance coverage is to be paid out.  And you're the payor.  Gee, no conflict there. 

In the last 20 years we've watched as insurance companies made RECORD profits on just about a yearly basis.  We've also watched (at work) as the Human Resources officer told everyone our insurance rates went up because people in the company USED it too much.  What a COMPLETE contradiction THAT was.  I was disgusted EVERY TIME.  How does a company make record profits if it was being used MORE?!?!? 

I'm sorry, I believe we should NOT have government hospitals, or government banks, but we SHOULD have government insurance.  NOT SUB-CONTRACTORS, but actual pay into government for health insurance - like social security, and then have an OUTSIDE company determine fair rates of pay, not owned by HOSPITALS OR by government and this would help IMMENSELY with the overcharges of "new and better" unnecessary medical equipment, as well as help streamline payments to hospitals, freeing up staff needed for the multitudes of insurance papers to file, reducing the costs of staffing, and yet ensuring coverage for patients. 

This pre-existing crap is for the dogs too.  Who among us has NO health problems?  NO person's body is perfect.  If that were so, we wouldn't NEED insurance or health care would we? 

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:09 PM EST
Ladykodlyn

To Echo, you can not have one without the other. Socialized medicine should been enacted back in the 60's; but because we have had greedy politicians that can only see "green" when coming up with health plans like HMO's we get shotty insurance companies that only care about themselves and not the people they are insuring. BCBS is another fine example, besides that of Oxford named above.

In other words you should not have government insurance companies without government owned hospitals and/or health care facilities. Health care needs' need to addressed as a human  right not as a business.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:39 PM EST
Karen Eremita

Bill, I don't know if you ever had a life-threatening disease, but God forbid you get one, you are going to want to go to the best place for that disease. There must be a good reason why Sloan is not an in-network facility with Oxford. I previously had Cigna and did not have one problem with the bills.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:47 PM EST
Auzziegirl

My 66 year-old cousin who lives in Australia was paying $1,300 annually (Aussie $$$'s) for health insurance!  We pay close to that every two months, here in CA, for full family coverage under Blue Shield.  She was complaining about it and told me she dropped her private insurance for free government insurance, the difference being that if she needs in-hospital care now, she will be put on a waiting list.  I told her she was crazy because she isn't getting any younger.  So I guess it doesn't matter where you live, you are going to complain about your health insurance costs.     

    #1.5 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:37 PM EST
    tkf-814126

    I know it's off the general direction of your current comments, however I hope BCBS of FL and NIA (it's equivalent of Ingenix) and next under investigation.  They are denying coverage to thousands of patients deeming lack of medical necessity, etc.  We had a patient whose MRI's were denied.  She died a month later of bone cx, which showed on the MRI's she paid for personally.  The insurers have overstepped in the name of profits and it's time they received punishment.

      #1.6 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:32 PM EST
      Ladykodlyn

      BCBS in New York State has been a ..... on wheels for years. I have had many friends who have had a variety of cancers be denied medical treatments and who have lost their lives because of this.

      I pay an atrocious mount of money to BCBS for covering almost nothing outside the hospital and maybe 5 days in a hospital.  

      Oxford carries co-pay for in-house doc's, full pay for in-net hospitals and docs, but ONLY, and I repeat ONLY, if you stay in ... if you leave the hospital and get sick and need to be re-admitted within 3 months they will not pay for hospitalization,  etc. And Oxford, as I said above is close to $1,000.00 a month.

      It is quite costly to be seriously ill in the State of New York; and as I have found out it can be more costly to die in this state. My Dad died from Pancreatic Cancer in late August of 2007. As my lawyer uncle coined the phrase, (And NSV will not print all of it) the s .... has hit the fan!

        #1.7 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:27 PM EST
        Amy-814837

        I thought this was slightly comical -   Our two sons were playing and the youngest ended up having to have a stitch.  Having UnitedHealth - we just received a letter from Ingenix urging us to sue the person of cause because this was an "accident" according to the medical papers....  Can you imagine?  We sue our oldest son who also has UnitedHealth..    UnitedHealth sues UnitedHealth...   What made me mad however is that no coverage would be paid until we responded to this letter...

          #1.8 - Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:32 AM EST
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          Dan-410533

          Just one more reason to end the greedy health care sham in America and give the American people the health care they deserve.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#2 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:22 PM EST
          bombadil

          Coporations are running your health system. Should we expect anything else.

          why did she choose to go to an out of network hospital?  How far was she traveling to go there?  And did she have a chance to go innetwork?

          Why are we having to make these kind of decisions when it comes to our health? Especially when our very life is on the line. We go where we are confident to go.

          I just learned today that my new dental coverage doesnt include the dentist ive been seeing for years. I still have the choice but have to pay more. Its a comfort level thing.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#3 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:28 PM EST
          jOHN b.lURVEY

          For those of you that are not familiar with the law. what has happened here is a silly concept referred to as insurance fraud, which is just slighyly more serious than mass murder, That is so the insured will not attempt to steal from the insurer, however it does not address the insurer stealing from the insured. The situatiom outlined has been ongoing for years bur somehow nobody noticed. Now that we have all of these bad boys down and dirty, let us see how many of them are prosecuted and how many of them actually do jail time. Probably about as many as the plethora of crooked bankers and stock market folks. I, for one can hardly wait. I rest my case.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#4 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST
          bombadil

          Oh and one more thing. She apparently wasnt the only one complaining.

            Reply#5 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST
            Lee-408976

            This is bigger than health care.  If you look at the bigger picture, there is corruption at the top of our corporations, and our government. 

            The average American works hard to make our coporations profitable only to be fleeced by unethical executives at the top. 

            It needs to be determined how much was stolen from subscribers, and that exact amount should be returned. 

            • 3 votes
            Reply#6 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:30 PM EST
            Zeke Putnam

            I worked, for years, in the health care industry.  Fraud is massive and going on everywhere.  I only hope that some day Americans stop idealizing health care and start demanding accountability.  Rarely do I talk with someone who can't relate a story of poor care, misdiagnosis, misuse of prescription drugs and, most of all, a level of professional arrogance that is unbelievable. 

            • 1 vote
            Reply#7 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:34 PM EST
            Suebelle

            Shocker. First, it's the banks. So am I REALLY surprised that there's other industries out there that are guilty of bad business practices?

            • 1 vote
            Reply#8 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:35 PM EST
            bytheway-740683

            Oh I see...an insurer who would most likely let a customer rot in a corner somewhere from cancer (if it were possible to get away with it)...but they just chose to pay 50 million to help put to rest any  PERCEIVED  conflict of interest

            • 1 vote
            Reply#9 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:36 PM EST
            Rallyforge

            The American people are being hit from all sides from greedy American Corporations (i.e. Banks, Wall Street, Health Insurers, our own government). No one is prosecuted and the fines are pocket change these big companies.

            If they start prosecuting and jailing these bastards, other companies would think twice about these type of crimes.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#10 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:36 PM EST
            Nance-469439

            Bravo, well said !

              #10.1 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:46 PM EST
              Daniel-521176

              Rallyforge,............"if they start prosecuting and jailing these bastards"? Is that why Madoff worth $50 billion scam is in house arrest in his $7 million apartment? While OJ Simpson who tried to recoupe his personal memorabilias got 13 years? Not that I like OJ.

                #10.2 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:52 PM EST
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                George King

                This just goes along with all of everything else that is going on these days and times.

                  Reply#11 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:47 PM EST
                  lorakittle

                  Oh, this has been going on for as long as there have been insurance companies.  It's just now there are ways to track everything.  Hiding isn't an option anymore.  What I want to know is why the judgement was for only 50 million?  50 Billion would have been more appropriate and a serious deterrent.

                  • 2 votes
                  #11.1 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST
                  Ladykodlyn

                  Try as long ago as Nixon.

                    #11.2 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:12 PM EST
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                    Ladykodlyn

                    Well Medicare falls under the auspices of the UnitedHealth  Group. My mother paid TWICE for my fathers pacemakers and defriberlators because Medicare would only pay half! She paid $50,000.00 out of her pocket twice.

                    Oxford paid only 6 PT visits saying I could do my own therapy. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia and my MRI show a dislocated rotary cuff and tears. Oxford paid for 6 visits only since 2006. I have to pay for my own. Forget BCBS which I have since forever, they don't pay one cent for anything. BCBS costs me $964.41  four times a year and Oxford costs me $847.35 a month................................

                    I never contacted NYS for that because Oxford told me they were right and I was wrong.

                    And my mother never winked, thinking all medical insurance companies were Gods.

                    What a rip off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      Reply#12 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:57 PM EST
                      POST IT

                      Ripped off again by some large company.   Bend over America!!! 

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#13 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:57 PM EST
                      timetheos

                      And yet we have all the Republicans and Libertarians screaming that the "free market" will save us and we need "less government" so "stupid attornies" will stop these "frivolous lawsuits".

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#14 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:04 PM EST
                      Brian-813763

                      A paltry $50M fine to a system that rakes in billions and enjoys a not-for-profit tax status. The punishment should have been proportional to the torment it inflicted on helpless patients. The fine should have crippled this broken, corrupt system. Then maybe we could hit the reset button and find a health care system that actually serves the public.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#15 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:06 PM EST
                      Ladykodlyn

                      Oh so true..... I thought I read 50 Billion....... 50 million is nothing. Some Life Insurance companies make 8 billion dollars a year selling their policies.

                      50 million is a piss in the bucket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      • 1 vote
                      #15.1 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST
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                      Who cares-813778

                      Are you kidding me!!  "The $50 million United Health Group will pay as the settlement will be used to create a nonprofit organization that will determine reimbursement rates for patients"!  Read - The $50 million United Health Group will pay as the settlement will be used to create jobs for someones relatives who can't get a job in the real world because they don't really have a brain and their rich relatives are tired of footing their bills!!!  And you people want to discuss "reimbursement rates".....what freakin' reimbursement rates.....people pay for helath care insurance.......people get sick......people seek treatment by DOCTORS and HOSPITALS........health care insurance PAYS THE FREAKIN' BILL!  This health care mess is really ridiculous.......why should ANYONE jumps through hoops for insurance coverage. 

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#16 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:16 PM EST
                      Ladykodlyn

                      Couldn't resist ... laughing ... because it is so true.............................

                      It's pathetically true....

                        #16.1 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST
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                        fsranger

                        Wow!!! And the beat goes on. Where will the "rip offs" stop???? Never, you say!!! You are absolutely correct - as long as there is no accountability or system in place that will deal with the greed that has permeated the business world. And, these greedy weasels will find a way to screw the everyday citizen and those in places of influence and decision (government - supposedly of the people and for the people) let them get away with it. It may well be too late to turn things around. Obamy talks of "change", but it ain't going to happen. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Just keep your pocketbooks open.

                          Reply#17 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:25 PM EST
                          uaw-779887

                          maybe this is why we need health care reform.nobodys watching

                            Reply#18 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:51 PM EST
                            working man-780222

                            who can even afford heath care at $400 a month ?

                              Reply#19 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:43 PM EST
                              Ladykodlyn

                              I pay approx $16,000.00 a year. That is a hard pill to swallow.

                                #19.1 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:07 PM EST
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                                tim-580939

                                Insurance companies are maggots with thousands of lobbyist in washington trying to change the rules every day so they don't have to pay for coverage

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#20 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:45 PM EST
                                MeMe-330342

                                Insurance companies are among the scum of businesses.  Universal healthcare is the only way we can all have healthcare and treatment.  I'm tired of working my butt off and having my taxes go to other people (who are capable of working but don't want to) and providing them with healthcare that I can't afford for myself.  I see it literally every day in my job plus I know people who get better healthcare than I do, thanks to taxpayers like myself.  I have health insurance but can't afford to use it except for normal doctor visits, though I need some other health care but that's not financially possible.  Also, insurance companies often deny medical tests even with several doctors stating the patient needs it.  The only patient insurance companies care about is one who dies before they have to pay out anything. 

                                  Reply#21 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:39 PM EST
                                  Timothy Lingard

                                  I mean, what's new. If it isn't the insurance companies it's hospitals, or doctors. It would be easier to name who isn't ripping us off. Politicians, they are the worst.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#22 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:54 PM EST
                                  pamzk

                                  Consumer be ware. As a consumer who has dealt with insurance companies over the years I have learned one thing. If it doesn't look right call the state insurance bureau.  My son had surgery for a birth defect and the insurance refused to pay saying it was cosmetic.  I called the State Bureau of Insurance to investigate and was told I could fill out a form to complain or I could call the insurance company and ask for a supervisor and inform her I was filing a complaint with the State Bureau of Insurance.  The person I spoke with at the State level said I can assure you they will settle your claim within 24hours because they do not want us coming in to investigate because we will not only look at your claim but other claims the company has processed and they don't want us to come in and go thru their records.  I called the company back spoke with the supervisor stating I was filing a complaint with the State Insurance Bureau she called me back within the hour and settled the claim paid in full.

                                    Reply#23 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:01 PM EST
                                    Ladykodlyn

                                    Something is amok here. As I go back and read the comments, I realize that I have an "aquaintance"  with colon cancer who has been in Sloan more times than I can count and he has Oxford!!!!!! He was not reimbursed handsomely, but he was covered for a good part of the cost.......................

                                      Reply#24 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:42 PM EST
                                      big_texas_sun

                                      So you are defending the paractices of these health care companies?

                                        #24.1 - Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:13 AM EST
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                                        nason a.g.

                                        well lets see now, all ive heard americans is(bitch,bitch,bitch) about the amount of health care they pay. as a canadian i have received health care until i entered the military each year after that i was reembersed 300+dollars i had payed into medicare. once i retired i filed for medicare, paying 300.00 or 400.00 a year to know that if i need to be cared for puts my mind at ease. the only down turn is the people on welfare. paying for their health care. but it's only maybe 30.00-35.00 at most a month, and a doctor of your choice but refurell to a specilist is required

                                          Reply#25 - Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:02 AM EST
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