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Opinion: Ethnic profiling persists at airports

Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:47 AM EST
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— One thing is for sure: You will be detained and arrested if you pull a stunt like the one Lawrence Johnson pulled on a flight heading in to LAX last week. Witnesses say Johnson tried opening a rear emergency exit door and yelled, “I have a bomb” when other passengers tried to stop him.

But what if you go to the airport wearing a T-shirt with non-English words printed on it? Or board an airplane while discussing the safety merits of particular seats? As we’ve learned from two recent news stories, what happens next might depend on people’s stereotypes about your complexion. And that raises questions about whether airlines, government agencies and other passengers need a refresher course on constitutional rights and plain old common sense.

T-shirt trouble
Last December, JetBlue Airways and two TSA officers agreed to pay Iraqi-born, U.S. resident Raed Jarrar $240,000 to settle charges that they discriminated against him in 2006 based on his ethnicity and the Arabic writing on his T-shirt.

Jarrar had been told that he couldn’t board his JetBlue flight at New York’s JFK airport unless he changed his T-shirt or covered it up. The shirt read “We Will Not Be Silent” in English and Arabic and one TSA agent told Jarrar that wearing that shirt in an airport was tantamount to entering a bank wearing a shirt that said “I am a robber.”

JetBlue agents bought Jarrar a T-shirt with a slogan they thought would be less alarming to other customers. But before allowing him on the plane, JetBlue agents moved Jarrar’s seat assignment from the front of the plane to the back.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a federal civil rights lawsuit on Jarrar’s behalf and calls the recent settlement a “victory for constitutional rights.” JetBlue Airways, however, “continues to deny, outright, every critical aspect of Mr. Jarrar’s version of the events.”

And a TSA statement states the agency “does not condone profiling nor tolerate discrimination in any way shape or form,” but avoids direct comment on the Jarrar case by pointing out that the suit names two TSA employees, not the TSA itself.

Still, Aden Fine, the senior staff attorney with the ACLU’s First Amendment Working Group says “the size of the settlement [$240,000] should make it clear that what the TSA and JetBlue did to Mr. Jarrar was wrong. Airlines should know better, and federal government officials should really know better. We’re hopeful that TSA officials and all airlines will think long and hard before they do something like this again.”

Lesson learned? Nope.

Unfortunately, an incident on New Year’s Day makes it clear that what happened to Raed Jarrar was not an isolated event.

Family removed from plane
On Jan. 1, AirTran Airways pulled nine Muslim passengers — all but one American-born — off a flight heading from Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C., to Orlando International Airport in Florida. The problem? Some passengers panicked when they heard Atif Irfan and another passenger discussing the location of the safest seats on the plane. Before they knew it, the pilot was informed, the plane was emptied and everyone was re-screened. Although the FBI determined that Irfan and the eight others in his group posed no threat, AirTran representatives refused to rebook the Muslim travelers on another flight later that day. Instead, an FBI agent helped the group book flights on another carrier.

AirTran later apologized for incident, refunded all the fares, and sent out a press release calling the whole thing just a big misunderstanding.

Racist or realist? What was really going on?

“AirTran was not being racist, just a realist,” says attorney Larry Klayman, founder and former chairman of the conservative watchdog group, Judicial Watch, and author of “Fatal Neglect: The U.S. Government's Failure to Protect American Citizens from Terrorism.” He believes that ethnic profiling is necessary and that “we cannot be so sensitive that security comes second to reality. The hard fact is that a Muslim family that starts talking about where to sit on an airplane is a potential risk, more than a Caucasian grandmother.”

Jen’nan Read strongly disagrees. Read, an associate professor at Duke University and an expert on Arab and Muslim American integration, says she wasn’t totally surprised that the New Year's Day incident at Reagan National occurred but “was a bit shocked” that it went as far as it did with the passengers not being allowed to re-board after being cleared by the FBI.

Given that just before Christmas a Continental Airlines jet had skidded off the runway in Denver, a lot of travelers were no doubt worried and wondering out loud about the safest seats on an airplane. “But the fact that these people were Muslim made them the targets of stereotyping, regardless of them being American.”

‘Here we go again’
Jarrar, the U.S. citizen who got that $240,000 settlement for being discriminated against at an airport for his T-shirt, was also shocked when he heard about the New Year’s Day AirTran incident. “I said, ‘Oh my god. Here we go again.’” Jarrar currently works for the American Friends Service committee, a Quaker group devoted to peace and social justice, and says he’s been trying to get in touch with the nine Muslim passengers at the center of the AirTran story. Although he received some death threats after speaking out about what happened to him, Jarrar says he also received a lot of support and even some apologies from strangers. “So I want this family to know that what happened to them is not a coincidence and that they are not alone.”

Now what?

Beyond urging the rest of us not to jump to conclusions about fellow passengers based on their skin color, clothing or presumed religious affiliation, Duke University’s Read has this straightforward advice: “As a society we know better than to discriminate against people based on gender, race or age. It’s time for more tolerance for other American citizens who have the misfortune of sharing a religious affiliation with a small group of crazed individuals.”

I wonder what would happen if someone squeezed that advice onto a T-shirt and wore that to the airport.

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iknow-378984

I have no problem with profiling.  Why stop grandma she no grandma has committed an act that threatens safety.  When a segment of the community is responsible for acts of violence it would be irresponsible to ignore them and say OK you go ahead we'll check out this old couple behind you.  Get real people!!!!!!

  • 14 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:32 AM EST
Boo-331080

  Keep on Profiling...  safety first...  if Americans were considered Terrorists, then you know dam well that we would be profiled...   If Islam is so worried about them being profiled, then do something about the Muslims that are causing you people to be profiled...

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:34 PM EST
hadenough-345906

I am not a Muslim, but I what I really want to know is how Osama get Norad to stand down?

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST
G S

Timothy McVeigh was WHITE. So is every member of the KKK, IRA, and most ELF/ALF members. Terrorists. So why aren't you getting profiled? Because you are in the political majority and you'd be up in arms if you got this type of treatment. Hypocrites, all of you!

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:28 PM EST
Steve in Chicago.

McVeigh is dead, members of the KKK, IRA, and most ELF/ALF members do not bomb the USA! Your statement is beyond foolish. Because you are in a political minority you need to come up with better whining than that, until then, PROFILE ON!

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:25 PM EST
Morugamax

Why isn't all the background checks made when booking the flights,doesn't everyone take their shoes off have their luggage scanned and go through metal detectors?After all that why the need to humiliate someone on the plane.I travel a few times a year I must say the shoe thing is really stupid.A lot of people commenting here I am sure have never taken an international flight.Can we just use some common sense and intelligence here people.

    #1.5 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:55 AM EST
    Sara G.

    I have to say that I am not quite sure that profiling is indeed taking place at all airports....

    I am a Caucasian woman, quite mature in age, blond, green eyes......and I have been pulled out of line more than once to stand with my feet in those cute little outlines and have them run that "beeper" machine over and around me.

    Do I mind?

    well in all honesty, "I" know I'm not going to do anything illegal, but that's not to say that someone else that perhaps looks like me, isn't...

    So no, I am glad that the airlines are at least trying to keep journeys safe.

    *Smiles*
    ~Sara

    • 4 votes
    #1.6 - Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:07 AM EST
    sk-ky-3441

    I have no problem at all with profiling at the airports or anywhere else.  The authorities would have nothing to profile if certain groups of people didn't give them any reason to!  Keep on profiling, especially at the airport.  Most Americans do want the Middle Eastern people looked at more closely in the airports, and for very good reason.  My advise to them is to watch what you say & wear while at the airport, simple as that.

    • 2 votes
    #1.7 - Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:49 PM EST
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    threevok

    When I pass gas in church, no one turns around and glares at my wife. When will the injustice end?

    • 7 votes
    #2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:55 AM EST
    Mary-368841

    This is the most inane comment I have ever read on this site.  We have to profile because terrorists have been Islamic fundamentalists up to this point on airlines.  We are also very fair with our profiling and if any other group of people attack the United States, we will put them on the profiling list as well.

    • 12 votes
    #2.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:19 PM EST
    JAKE THE SNAKE-382028

    Yea thats why Nelson Mandella was on the watch list.

    • 2 votes
    #2.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:12 PM EST
    fred a-517796

    These ismalist,s idiots along with their ACLU sympathizers seem to be of the belief that iit is their American constitutional right to threaten me and my family while I have no constitutional right to defend myself against the children of the Saitan or the devil Mohammed. So what if they were for the most part  American born Islamic lunatics they are all brothers of Al-Quaeda. Most of these idiots supporting these people will not believe it until it smacks dead in the face and then they;ll turn around and still blame America. What a pity on these stupid jerks who are not only jeopardixing me and my family but your family as well........

    • 10 votes
    #2.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:13 PM EST
    Devil's Son

    Manadella was on the watch list because he was  the FOUNDER if the ANC's military wing. They bombed and killed civilians. (He even stated SO!!!)

    • 10 votes
    #2.4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST
    DeJay

    Mary-368841, so what you are saying is that every one from the Middle East is an Islamic Fundamentalist. You sound more like a born-again Christian, a more dangerous person in this country than alot of the people from the Middle East. It is nice to know that God gave you the power to look at someone and tell whether or not they are a danger. Take a look in the mirror.

    • 5 votes
    #2.5 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:29 PM EST
    rdollie

    DeJay, I humbly suggest you try to really figure the difference between a true born-again Christian and someone who merely calls themself a Christian.

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:40 PM EST
    Mary-368841

    Okay since you decided to profile me DeJay, YOU look in the mirror!  You must be a left-wing communist who is saving the whales for satan!  I lived in Saudi Arabia and have hundreds of Muslims that I consider friends.  However, they profile me at their airports just as we profile them at ours. 

    • 7 votes
    #2.7 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:41 PM EST
    DeJay

    Where in my post did I profile you? Your response to my post make no sense, like alot of the ramblings of the born again right wing Christians in this country. Left wing communist saving the whales for satan????

    • 1 vote
    #2.8 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:50 PM EST
    Mary-368841

    You obviously don't read your own posts.  You profiled me by calling me a right wing Christian, something you couldn't possibly guess by my post.  I am not of any religious affiliation and my vote for President Obama is one I am quite proud of.  And you must not like too much comedy because you did not understand the saving the whales bumper sticker.  Perhaps you should head on over to Al-Jazeera with your comments!

    • 3 votes
    #2.9 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:02 PM EST
    DeJay

    What save the whales bumper sticker??? Your post is all over the place. Now Barack Obama is being brought into this. If you can, please stay on topic.

      #2.10 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:11 PM EST
      BigArch-493423

      DeJay, perhaps you might enlighten us about the number of folks that have been murdered by Christians. Perhaps you might tell us also why you are such a num-nutted idiot. Your posts appear to have been written by a complete idiot who only hates America and loves the rag wearing folks who want to kill your mother and your father and your brother and your sister.

      From your writting I know you hate George Bush and you adore B Hussein Obama. Perhaps your happy side will re-appear after next Tuesday and perhaps you will get your head out of your a**.

      • 2 votes
      #2.11 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST
      Beckwolf

      "Mary-368841, so what you are saying is that every one from the Middle East is an Islamic Fundamentalist."

      Where did you get that from the comment?  Wow, pulled out of nowhere.  Statistics, that's all that profiling is.  If more crimes are being committed by gang members than old ladies, then you pay more attention to the gang members.  Doesn't mean that the old lady won't be the one committing the next crime, and that the gang member won't be completely innocent, but statistically more of the gang members will commit more crimes than old ladies, so it is plain old common sense to give a bit more attention to one than the other.  A perfectly innocent Iraqi visitor deserves more attention than the average American, based on nothing more than those statistics.  We've had a major problem with a certain branch of individuals, so even though the vast majority of that branch is entirely innocent, you MUST pay more attention to the whole group in order to catch the few of them that ARE guilty.  To not profile eliminates the majority of functionality of security. 

      Police must profile to raise expectations and preparedness of certain potential actions in certain situations.  And this isn't just specific people, this includes everything from location to race to the type of vehicle being driven to the clothes the person is wearing.  Certain areas see more violence against the police than others, so they must act tougher when pulling someone over in the bad areas, as a precaution, despite the fact that the majority of the time it will have been unnecessary.  The profiling is to be prepared for those rare times when it turns out to have been necessary.

      This is no different with airline security.  The greater threat has been shown to be among a certain group of people with a certain look.  Most among that group are innocent, but without knowing which few among the group is guilty, it would demonstrate the utmost stupidity and incapability to not pay a bit more attention to the entire group of people in order to attempt to catch the few guilty among them.

      • 3 votes
      #2.12 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST
      shawn-

      Mandela....yesterdays terrorist to some and a freedom fighter to others is a celebrated statesman today.

      We imprisoned Japanese Americans not that long ago and later apologized.

      We have names for every ethnic type from Japanese, Vietnamese, Chinese, Mexicans, Black Americans, Native Americans, Italians and today it's anyone whose looks we are not all that familiar with. Arabs have been demonized by Israeli lobby and Hollywood for decades. Much like the way Hitlers propaganda machine dehumanized the Jews, gays and Gypsys.

      Once we all get educated about each others cultures and motivations may be we will have Arab heroes like Mandela. Remember the early Christians were the first known "terrorists" according to Romans who held them responsible for the great fires.

      In most of the world today Jews pay the price for Israeli atrocities in Palestine. Most of the world believes what we consider "terrorism" will vanish the day we find an honorable solution to the Palestine/Israeli conflict.

      I hope we look at history. Steer clear of this hateful putrid blather about the Islamists are out to destroy our way of life. No one cares who we pray to, how much we are worth or our way of life.....all anyone cares about is how we treat them. If we continue to treat others with hate and vileness and allow our friends to willy nilly kill, steal and subjugate any who does not walk in lockstep with us. Then we can continue to police every street corner and string barb wire across the world......that is not sustainable and a sure way to go bankrupt and lose our way of life try to protect ourselves and our assets from real and imagined enemies.

      Bush is history now we need leaders with a heart and a moral compass who can negotiate and not bring hate n' destruction to the world.

      • 3 votes
      #2.13 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST
      wildweasel66-358178

      dejay, is hamas paying you to be a spin doctor for islamic terrorists?  sounds like it.  mary is only responding to your initial post.

      as a matter of education and self-enlightenment, why don't you look up what group of people that have committed 100% of international terrorist acts over the past 38 years?

      shawn,

      chamberlain had a heart and a moral compass when he negotiated with hitler, but was not realistic in his worldview.  he actually expected hitler to abide by his agreements, when the man never held up his end of one such agreement. look what that led to.  churchill also had a heart and a moral compass but also had his feet on terra firma, not in some utopia that chamberlain lived in.

      "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." one of SAC's old motto's, from Orwell.  true 500 years ago, true today.

      • 3 votes
      #2.14 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:29 PM EST
      psovereign

      Bigarch: ever study history? Ever hear about the Crusades? Ever research the Inquisition? Most people are so effing ignorant, they just follow everything they're told. You think that you're keeping your family safe by allowing them to have their rights taken away?

      You're probably not even aware that Bush could come and take YOU right now, and your precious family, if he felt so inclined. The Constitution doesn't mean much anymore; the 'Patriot' Act (real patriots, our founding fathers, turn in their graves) gives him that right...go look it up.

      You can read it in your post, and the posts of many here: this nation has been over run by fear-ridden lunatics. Grow some balls for god's sake, the real threat isn't some ill organized rag wearers hiding in caves...look what you've all been reduced to!

      • 1 vote
      #2.15 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:08 PM EST
      shawn-

      wildweasal: You know your history. However interestingly the lesson you come away with is not what the world hoped you and your kind had learned. For what befell your kind...world had hoped you would have become a champion for justice and acquired a conscience that would allow you to feel others pain. Sadly what you have become is a carbon copy of your own tormentor in Hitler. You mastered his propensity for spin and propaganda and you also kill and subjugate a people like your ole nemesis. Sad sad commentary is it not? Matter of time you get your dues as well. Injustice and torment has a way of repeating. Hope we can break this cycle of ignorance and war and bring peace and a little less heartache in this world.

      • 1 vote
      #2.16 - Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:19 PM EST
      tom343

      The biggest excuse identifiable groups have for blindly lashing out at others is differences in religion and ethnicity. The most likely to slash out at majorities are minorities. If a member of a group that has already killed us attempts to deny us the right to take reasonable steps to try to ensure our safety, I hope we have the sense to sorely disappoint him. It is a stupid waste of resources up to now to take granny from the line and frisk her more severely, just to pander to groups that feel bad when they appropriately get singled out. If a granny ends up a terrorist perp, well then subsequent grannies rate special attention from security. Dark-skinned obviously mid-eastern folks have already been terrorist perps. They should rationally expect more attention from security folks, and if they're planning to ride an American airplane, with a little thought, they ought to be glad folks such as them are checked more stictly than granny. They should also consider that no one has the right to ride an airplane.

      • 1 vote
      #2.17 - Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:52 PM EST
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      Ashamed of peoples stupidityDeleted
      dave-633836

      Its really a bad and sad situation all around-taking chances to be less stingent could certainly be more dangerous and at the other end of the spectrum anything like this can EASILY be taken way to far by a government where you'd have people of Arabic descent and for that matter black youth from 18-24 all imprisoned like the people of Asian descent were after WW2 just because of statisical analysis. So what do you want an oppressive government or terrorist violence...not good choices -so you get the imperfect compromise we have now and some people get angry and most people remain safe -most of the time and social security problems can be left on the table for your children and the debt goes from 4-11 billion in 8 years and we go on -Happy Republic   

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:59 PM EST
      Rick Hylton

      It's no secret who the perpetrators were on 9/11.  Call it whatever you want, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who we should be singling out.  If that is what it takes to keep us safe, too bad!

      • 12 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:18 PM EST
      jus_unique

      I hate to sterotype anyone, but here I see no way around it.  Wearing the shirt on the plane was a stupid idea, and he should have been awarded nothing but a bus pass.  If this is what it takes to keep America safe then let it be. 

      • 4 votes
      #5.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:04 PM EST
      A Smith-300136

      Well said, rewarding the t-shirt guy shows just how far our legal system has fallen.

      • 5 votes
      #5.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:08 PM EST
      Judge-574295Deleted
      hometowngirl-510510

      germany profile all the time and they have low crime, they target blacks who look ghetto, whites who look like football hooligans and guess what, also islamics who look like terrorists, and they have hardly any crime because people know if the police want to stop and search you then can and they will, we are so afraid of offending its ridiculous and right now the threat is islam, they bombed the twin towers, they bombed londons underground, they bombed londons buses, they bombed scotlands airport, they suicide bomb our soldiers, will sacrifice their own children just to take someone out and follow that hateful book, profile everyone, safety first.

      • 3 votes
      #5.4 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:41 PM EST
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      Keith Imel

          The majority of the American people have no trouble with racial profiling. It is an effective tool to be used for security. Who is running TSA and why do they not have our saftey as their only concern???

      • 8 votes
      Reply#6 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:27 PM EST
      Chuck-407145

      Bull

      First it was DWB - Driving while black

      Now its FWA - Flying while Arab

      Keith next time the cops pull you over and put a gun to you head because you look a certain way or are driving where you "don't belong" then you tell me it's OK

      • 2 votes
      #6.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:09 PM EST
      Joe Biff

      ANYTHING should be allowed...if it lessens the chance of a high-jacking...or worse. Most Americans feel it's time for this nation to get a whole lot tougher about a lot of issues. It's these bungholes that we seem to keep electing that want to turn this country into one of pansies.

      • 8 votes
      #6.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:33 PM EST
      DD50

      Pulling someone off the plane, or going to a chair for an extra search, is not a gun in the face.

      (I know how it is to be pulled aside, my then 8-year-old daughter had the priviledge of an extra security search.  Stupid light up tennis shoes.)

      • 2 votes
      #6.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST
      Beckwolf

      "Keith next time the cops pull you over and put a gun to you head because you look a certain way or are driving where you "don't belong" then you tell me it's OK"

      Been pulled aside at the airport, been profiled by police.  And yes, it most definitely is ok, and it's even easier to understand coming from a family of police officers.  Why would an officer risk his life by ignoring statistics?  If the greater level of police violence has been committed by one specific group of people, then the officer needs to be more prepared with those that belong to that group of people.  Again, most will be innocent, but the only way to catch the few guilty is to pay attention to the whole group, since there's no way to know who among them is guilty and who is innocent.  More police officers would be dead today if they didn't profile based off the basic statistics in their area. 

      I fully expect to be profiled in certain areas.  If I'm not, then there's something wrong with the level of security and preparedness of the security in that area.  By the way, I don't believe that you've ever had a gun to your head because you look a certain way.  There is always some sign or something that brings it about, such as with the latest issue in California with the Bart officer.  He broke up a gang fight, and all involved were left entirely unharmed except for the one moron who decided to fight against the cops.  He didn't have a weapon (or did and the weapon was removed by one in the group since the others were all found with weapons, which happens quite often).  He fought against the police and ended up with a gun drawn against him.  But when an entire group is left unharmed except for the one guy who causes trouble, it's obvious that looking a certain way did not bring out that level of action.  Looking a certain way leads to greater wariness when dealing with you, which deals to more strict action if you do something you shouldn't be, but first you must do something to set off those warning bells, even if the bells are louder only because of your looks.  If he had been white, maybe it wouldn't have gone as far as it had, but it first took a poor action on the part of the gang member to result in greater action by the police, as the remaining guilty were all left entirely unharmed and unthreatened.

      • 4 votes
      #6.4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:59 PM EST
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      Tim-816895

      I darn well hope and EXPECT that TSA and others WILL "racial profile" for safety on airplanes.  As others have posted here, the VERY high majority of post-9/11 terrorists ARE of a common descent and religious belief.  If we ignore that, we not only don't recognize the real threat, but in the effort to be "PC," we increase the risk of injury to our families and others we fly with.  "Flying" is NOT a fundamental, protected right in our constitution; we as a society have the right to demand that our safety be protected, and if a particular group is the threat, then we have every right to expect that TSA focus on that group.

      • 10 votes
      Reply#7 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:34 PM EST
      tduke

      Read..associate professor at Duke Univ..."small group of crazed individuals?" and you teach?  Until i can, without a doubt, tell a good muslim from a bad muslim i will be profiling and they should expect it and accept it or break away from any connection with those crazed, murderous and dispicable individuals! If it looks like a duck most people are going to believe it is a duck...

      • 7 votes
      Reply#8 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:46 PM EST
      Matthias Singh

       break away from any connection with those crazed, murderous and dispicable individuals!

      How can they break away? They still will look Arab or South Asian etc even if they are not Muslim, and thus people will stereotype them as possible Muslims.

      • 4 votes
      #8.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:10 PM EST
      Matt-816841

      Exactly! How can someone from the middle east "break away" from them? People like you will still see "rag head" and report them to the FBI.

      • 1 vote
      #8.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM EST
      tom343

      Let them join the Marines! That works! That's how they break away!

      • 1 vote
      #8.3 - Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:59 PM EST
      cutter-315893

      Life is not always fair. Individual rights are important, BUT they should not be allowed to trump the safety rights of the many. And I will not accept the counter argument that the people have been whipped into a frenzy of fear. Rationality demands that we employ profiling!

        #8.4 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
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        George-St. Petersburg, FL.

        "Ethnic profiling persists at airports"

        Keep up the good work!!!!!

        • 10 votes
        Reply#9 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:54 PM EST
        jmk-426850

        Racial profiling is necessary for our safety.  No two ways about it.  As soon as a 43 year old white soccer mom blows up an airplane, you can talk to me about why it's bad.  For now, it's for our safety, and we shouldn't be embarrassed by it.   No more than the police hassling black youth, or teenagers in general, just for 'being there'.    There's a reason for profiling - it's effective. 

        • 8 votes
        Reply#10 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:58 PM EST
        JAKE THE SNAKE-382028

        A 30 year old white male blew up a building in Oklahoma

        • 3 votes
        #10.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST
        Ginny-530816

        jmk, well said.

          #10.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST
          DeJay

          JAKE THE SNAKE-382028, well said. People like to forget the first act of terrorism perpetrated in this country was by an American.

            #10.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:37 PM EST
            rdollie

            Let's not forget Richard Reed (sp.) the caucasian English (?) guy they caught with a bomb in his shoe at an airport or was he already on the plane, Joe Padila (sp.) the hispanic American guy they caught and I think they held for a few years without charging, etc.

            Come on people we have to have a better way that racial or ethnic profiling because it's clearly not going to work given what we're really seeing. I'm amazed by people here who say things like until a white grandma blows up a plane there's no reason to consider her over someone else with different physical characteristics. If for this reason alone you can bet a MAJOR terrorist hit on our soil is planned using someone who isn't of Arab look or descent. Do we really want to wait until it happens to open our eyes and see we need more than racial profiling?

            How about behavioral profiling? Most everybody has credit cards, credit history, etc. that follows them around in addition to online bread crumbs, etc.. If so many are so willing to throw away personal freedoms in this country let's apply it to something that can help us. Why not review the equivalent of your credit history activities and online identities real-time using software to do a better job profiling a person at the airport? Maybe the guy who has been posting anti-American rhetoric in a different language online can be singled out by security before he tries to blow up a plane this way.

            I don't have the answer yet - just thinking out loud but it's clear that racial profiling isn't going to get it when we've already seen white, Arab, hispanic, and presumably black and asian terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

            • 1 vote
            #10.4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:51 PM EST
            Ashamed of peoples stupidityDeleted
            DD50

            Actually, the FIRST big terrorism act was the first bombing of the World Trade Center, Feb. 26, 1993.

            The McVeigh bombing in Oklahoma was April 19,1995 - to correspond with the destruction of the "Wackos from Waco/Koresh-I'm-Jesus", anniversary.  Plenty of nuts to go around.

            But the guy at the beginning had a good point about Sirhan Sirhan killing Kennedy.

            • 1 vote
            #10.6 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:42 PM EST
            Beckwolf

            "A 30 year old white male blew up a building in Oklahoma"

            Not a very intelligent comment.  This is why we have security for EVERY individual traveling on a plane.  However, to ignore who has the potential to be the greater threat would be poor action on our part.  Terrorists come in all shapes, sizes, and backgrounds.  However, when there is a statistical probability that the guilty will belong to one specific group, you MUST pay more attention to that one group.  All but the one can be perfectly innocent, but since there's no way to know which is the guilty among all of the innocent, more attention must be paid to them all in order to weed out that one guilty.  We still must pay attention to everyone, all the way on up to the little old white lady, but we must always (not just at the airport but any security or police officer) pay a bit more attention to those belonging to a group known to have more potential guilty among them.  It's plain old common sense.  One white guy committing a crime doesn't detract from the fact that the most likely threat will come from someone who is not white.  We pay attention to every white person as well, but must give that one extra glance to those belonging to the group with the most known guilty.  To not do so would be the equivalent of a police officer not profiling a gang member in a bad neighborhood, and thus not being prepared for a potential problem and getting himself killed.  We profile to have a better chance of finding the guilty among all of the innocent, and being just a bit more prepared for when that person is found.

            • 2 votes
            #10.7 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:06 PM EST
            A Smith-300136

            I think that most people would be shocked to know that most profiling software adds a larger threat elevation to someone who is between the ages of 6-12 than to any one because of their race. Then again, most profiling software is written to prevent petty theft instead of counter terrorism. Everyone has the potential to commit crime, however there are scientific ways of accurately narrowing down who the most likely people are to commit crimes. How is it wrong to use that information when allocating your limited resources? As Beckwolf said; pointing out the outliers in a statistical set doesnt change the fact that the most likely threat on an airline doesnt come from someone who is white.

            • 1 vote
            #10.8 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:16 PM EST
            StoneCold-363654

            "Actually, the FIRST big terrorism act was the first bombing of the World Trade Center, Feb. 26, 1993"

            Not true.  The Black Tom explosion in NY Harbor was in 1916, generally accepted to be the work of German sympathizers.  There was an explosion on Wall Street in 1920, set off by Italian anarchists.  A bomb set by FALN blew up Fraunces Tavern in NYC in 1975.

            And technically, the assassination of Lincoln could be called a terrorist attack.

              #10.9 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:57 PM EST
              Beckwolf

              "I don't have the answer yet - just thinking out loud but it's clear that racial profiling isn't going to get it when we've already seen white, Arab, hispanic, and presumably black and asian terrorists or terrorist sympathizers."

              But it does provide a greater statistical possibility of catching the guilty.  Your comment is why EVERYONE passes through security.  The while old lady could be carring a bomb, so she too goes through the basic screening.  However, it would be physically impossible to fully screen every passenger.  When one group of people is statistically bringing in more guilty through the airport than another group, it only makes sense to pay just a bit more attention to that group.  Most will be innocent of course, but with no way to weed out the guilty among the innocent in that group, the only possible course is to give all of them a bit more attention in the hopes of getting that one guilty among a crowd of not guilty within that group.  This doesn't mean that we don't look at everyone and run everyone through the scanners, but the only way to effectively manage a security system is to always pay that extra bit of attention to those belonging to a group with the greatest number of known guilty for that particular point in time.  It's very clear at this point that racial profiling does in fact get it, it gives us a much greater chance of catching the guilty.  The white guy whose guilty may make it through.  So might the Arab, no security system is perfect.  But with the greater known threat being certain individuals belonging to a certain group, do you honestly think that it makes sense to not take an extra little look at those belonging to that group in an attempt to more easily catch those within who are guilty?

              • 1 vote
              #10.10 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:10 PM EST
              DD50

              Stone - I was thinking muslim types, but that was interesting to read, did not know those events.  Will have to google the "why" of it.

                #10.11 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:11 PM EST
                Karen-654147

                So its ok to do it to others, but you don't want it done to you (or anyone like you).  I don't thing that the people involved would have been as upset if they had just been questioned.  In these 2 cases it was the treatment after they were questioned that is wrong.  There was nothing truly offensive about the ypung mans t-shirt, and there was not reason that after questioning that the family could not be reseated. 

                  #10.12 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:41 PM EST
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                  JEHumphreysDeleted
                  Chuck_454

                  "... Airlines should know better, and federal government officials should really know better...."

                  Passengers should know better also.

                  All Muslims are not terrorists but so far all terrorists seem to be Muslims. Unless the Muslim community can self police then someone has to do it. Everyone should be aware most people are still very sensitive to this issue because the threat does not seem to have abated.

                  A family that appears to be concerned about where the safest place to sit would be is probably not on a suicide mission but I can see where the airline would want to keep the majority of their customers happy.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#12 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:05 PM EST
                  mike from florida-535075

                  mcvey wasnt muslim.  the unibomber wasnt muslim.  the bomber of the 1996 atlanta olympics wast muslim. get your facts straight.

                  first they profiled the muslims, but i wasnt muslim so i didnt care

                  then they profiled the athiests, but im not an athiest, so i didnt care

                  then they profiled the jews, but i wasnt jewish, so i didnt care

                  then they profiled the christians, but i wasnt christian, so i didnt mind

                  then they profiled me. i tried to complain, but everyone else was already gone.

                  • 3 votes
                  #12.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST
                  Ashamed of peoples stupidityDeleted
                  BigArch-493423

                  Chuck I think I might agree with this post.

                  Mike from Florida, I think are an idiot. You must be from South Florida because most idiots are from that region of the state.You might want to go a little further and examine the terrorists attacks that have happened around the world for the last 30 years or so and then write a stupid post. You might even understand that muslims are in fact the ones most likely to blow your a** off if our government and the airlines don't take an active aproach to this issue.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST
                  Beckwolf

                  "first they profiled the muslims, but i wasnt muslim so i didnt care

                  then they profiled the athiests, but im not an athiest, so i didnt care

                  then they profiled the jews, but i wasnt jewish, so i didnt care

                  then they profiled the christians, but i wasnt christian, so i didnt mind

                  then they profiled me. i tried to complain, but everyone else was already gone"

                  Mike, I've been profiled, and I would have been a complete fool if I tried to complain.  They profiled the atheists, and I am an atheist and cared, because atheists were never a greater threat and we were thus treated unfairly.  They profiled my race, and many of my race were guilty in that area of crimes, so in that respect I did NOT care, and would have been worried if NOT profiled.  The safest way to catch the guilty persons is to know which groups are most likely to contain the guilty, and to give them just a bit more extra attention.  Anyone of any group can be guilty, but when more of one group are known to be guilty than those of another group, the one with the greater chance of containing a guilty person should receive more attention.  This means that many, many innocent people will see a bit more attention, but in the hopes of catching the one guilty hidden among them.  If I belong to a group and I know that at least one of us is a criminal, I sure as heck hope that we're all screened more extensively.  Without knowing who the guilty is in a group, how are they supposed to successfully and most safely catch them without giving that bit of extra attention to the whole group?

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:16 PM EST
                  tom343

                  Have they got to the atheists yet? I flew this morning and sneaked through..........

                    #12.5 - Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:02 PM EST
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                    doc b-816977

                    Wow ... Now people of Middle Eastern decent understand how African Americans feel all the time. The treatment that you get at the airport, just imagine getting that treatment everywhere you go in the United States.I don't feel sorry for you at all. The treatment that you are complaining about at the airport, I have witnessed and been a part of that negative attitude by your people towards African Americans. I think you have as much right to money for being profiled as I do when I am profiled by the police ..NONE.   

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#13 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:06 PM EST
                    John Tracy-816980

                    This whole article smacks of liberal idiot, someone who is more concerned with the rights of a murder than the rights his victem was robbed of, WAKE UP terrorist acts are commited by muslims of arab descent to overlook this would be criminal, I have no problem with profileing its a very usefull tool and if it saves one innocent life its worth it, and if it were up to me the idiot who wore the t shirt on the plane wouldn't get a penny, if he doesn't like it here let him go back to where ever the hell it is he came from maybe his t shirt comments would be more appreciated their.

                      Reply#14 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:07 PM EST
                      Oh Please!-770534

                      As long as the airlines are private companies, they can profile to their heart's content and no one really has a right to tell them otherwise.  I'm happy to see these stories to know which airlines are more likely to profile- they'll get my business. 

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#15 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:08 PM EST
                      mike from florida-535075

                      the TSA isnt a private company though. they are an agent of the federal government and therefore CANNOT profile

                      • 1 vote
                      #15.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:45 PM EST
                      Oh Please!-770534

                      The article refers to individual airlines removing passengers for various reasons and those passengers claiming profiling so that's what I was referring to.

                      • 2 votes
                      #15.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:32 PM EST
                      Beckwolf

                      "the TSA isnt a private company though. they are an agent of the federal government and therefore CANNOT profile"

                      They are an agent of the federal government and therefore MUST profile.  Where do you get the idea that they cannot profile?  All US negotiations are based on profiles, everything we do in foreign lands and with foreign leaders is based on profiling.  No agency of the federal government can focus at its most efficient without profiling.  Cannot profile, that's funny.

                      • 4 votes
                      #15.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:18 PM EST
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                      YLock111

                      Here's something interesting... I am an Orthodox Jew who often flies to Turkey on business and they ALWAYS detain me at the airport and check me out thoroughly and give me a hassle. Happened once in Greece, too. I just keep my mouth shut and let them check. Thank G-d they've always let me on in the end.

                      Noone is complaining about the profiling there. Why? In America people always have to complain. I say let the screeners do their job...that's why they are there. If they miss a terrorist because of political correctness, and G-d forbid something happens, those same people who bemoan racial profiling will complain about "their lack of thoroughness!"

                      • 11 votes
                      Reply#16 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:09 PM EST
                      1Imperivm

                      Well said!

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:39 PM EST
                      TN Woman

                      Thank you for a great insightful post.  And thanks for being understanding  -  it takes a big person to be that.

                      • 3 votes
                      #16.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST
                      WM-735177

                      This is the best comment I've read here....and it's based on personal experiences.

                      And I agree with TN Woman - thank you for your understanding.

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:35 PM EST
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                      Act2

                      Where was the aclu when Joe the plumber's rights were violated??? He was damaged far worse than the stupid t-shirt muslim!

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#17 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:10 PM EST
                      DeJay

                      When were Joe the plumbers rights violated?

                        #17.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:39 PM EST
                        Mary-368841

                        There's DeJay at it again with his deep thoughts and probing questions!

                        • 2 votes
                        #17.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST
                        DeJay

                        Still waiting for response to my question. When were Joe the plumbers rights violated?

                          #17.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:05 PM EST
                          chop007

                          Joe the Plumber was/is a republican--according to the aclu, he has no rights!

                          • 5 votes
                          #17.4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:11 PM EST
                          DeJay

                          Or maybe his rights were not being violated.

                            #17.5 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:14 PM EST
                            DD50

                            Ok, that low level pencil pusher was cleared of releasing Joe's personal info to the media.

                            • 2 votes
                            #17.6 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:49 PM EST
                            Goose-546862

                            DeJay,

                            I believe there was a black woman from the State's Attorney Generals office who pulled personnel backround records on him.  Can't remember all the details, too many far left wing zelot attacks to keep up with.  Didn't seem to matter much, since she also got a pass!

                            • 4 votes
                            #17.7 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:55 PM EST
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                            RelentlesDeleted
                            St. Basil

                            The flat-out refusal to profile is stupid.  Ordinary appearing people are not likely to be terrorists.  As far as I have heard all the terrorists have been of middle-eastern origin and usually appear so. 

                            Use some common sense when selecting people likely to be a problem.

                            I am unhappy with Obama's selection of Leon Panetta for the CIA job.  This idiot would rather we screen grandmothers and such and not profile the more obvious people.

                              Reply#19 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:11 PM EST
                              Matt knows best

                              Good, profile them.  I won't appologize to someone when it comes to checking those around me, or even myself for the safety of all.  People who question that are the ones who made the first attacks on this country possible.  They are weak, they are short sighted, and they need to be pulled aside and cavity searched.  Maybe the inspector can help them find a pair, or at least help direct them towards common sense.

                              We profiled hasidic (spelling) jews to be almightily religious and it turns out a good number of them were boarding planes to and from this country carrying drugs.  We profiled them to be good, and they were only hurting us. 

                              Long story short.  You get pulled over and you feel like being profiled, just shut up, do what you are told, and when it's over say 'Thank you for looking out for my safety and the safety of others' because you should be thankful someone is, you ungreatful waste of a human being.  That goes to any nay sayers of profiling.  If you still have a problem with that, then go rent a car or just stay home.  I'm not sacrificing my safety for you or anyone else.

                               

                              Have a nice day =)

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#20 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:12 PM EST
                              hometowngirl-510510

                              wow if only this could happen, unfortunately people like to complain and moan and be all whoas me, im being picked on... who can i sue. people need to realise their are bad people out there and if we can stop just one terrorist it will be worth it.

                              • 2 votes
                              #20.1 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:09 PM EST
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                              ALTA-817001

                              If a red hair man blows up a building and a witness sees him and he gets away then red hair men are profiled. If a short black hair women robs a bank, then short black hair women are profiled. So Arabs are involved in the things that happen on 9 11. So whatever it takes to make sure our country is safe. I am a 5 ft 3 redhead, so if someone who resembles me commits a crime and I am at airport, bus station or whatever needs to stop me, go right ahead.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#21 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:13 PM EST
                              smirkingjack

                              so it was muslims who committed the attacks on 9/11, right? that alone should say enough.

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#22 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:14 PM EST
                              moltke5104

                              Kind of dumb, not all Muslims have dark skin, in fact try and tell a Muslim from an eastern European nation from a traveler from Russia. And better still, Caucasians have been blowing up and hijacking planes long before Bin Laden was even conceived.

                                Reply#23 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:14 PM EST
                                hometowngirl-510510

                                but you go off and profile whoever has been doing it recently and right now its islamic terrorists causing all trouble, if muslims hadnt done anything for many many years and its was white men for instance who were causing a lot of trouble across the whole world then white men would be profiled

                                • 2 votes
                                #23.1 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:14 PM EST
                                CTPAX

                                if you knew anything about muslims and/or eastern european nations you wouldn't say a silly thing like that. American movies don't count as a valid source of education.

                                  #23.2 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:26 PM EST
                                  moltke5104

                                  I will not mock your vocabulary, but you are responding to my statement with that, since you are so interested, then what is the difference in appearance between a white Muslim, and a white Christian?

                                    #23.3 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:27 PM EST
                                    CTPAX

                                    excuse me, vocabulary? I never said anything about your vocabulary. You must be joking...

                                    "what is the difference in appearance between a white Muslim, and a white Christian?"

                                    - This is not what you originally posted. You said "in fact try and tell a Muslim from an eastern European nation from a traveler from Russia".

                                    Muslims don't originate from eastern europe, they populate it, often times illegally. And there are no white muslims in russia. Take it from someone who lived there for 15 years. All the muslims you will see there have exactly same features as muslims from arab nations, except their skin is just a bit lighter, yet still noticeably darker than regular 'white' skin. One look at their face will tell you everything you need to know.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #23.4 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:19 PM EST
                                    moltke5104

                                    Really you dont think that there are Muslims in Eastern Europe that were born there, you must have forgotten about Kosovo, the little Balkan state that is prodominately Muslim, and i dont criticize someone else's grammar for that particular reason, focus on the subject.

                                      #23.5 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:43 PM EST
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                                      Michigan-540055

                                      I find it funny anytime anyone complains about racial/ethnic profiling, why is it a specific race/ethnic group/age/sex/or even style of dressing is profiled? BECAUSE IT WORKS!!! Get a clue people if it didn't catch bad guys law enforcement would not do it. This is the same basis for profiling a criminal at large. We know from years of successful investigation people that are likely to commit specific crimes, so we create a profile to look for this type of person. Same thing is done by police and security on a daily basis, and in reality if you didn't at least profile to certain extent we would not catch half as many criminals as we do.

                                      I can guarantee you that if most of you saying we should not profile were to have your mother/father/kids blown up in a plane tomorrow by a man from middle eastern decent, wearing a turban. You would be the first one TV saying "Why wasn't he stopped he matches a terrorists profile". I'm not saying these people are all bad, there not, but what I am pointing out is how value able profiling is for our law enforcement.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      Reply#24 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST
                                      moltke5104

                                      And are you honestly suggesting that a terrorist is going to wear a t-shirt that says i am a terrorist? I bet money anyone of the 9-11 hijackers were very capable of wearing a three piece suit.

                                        #24.1 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST
                                        Michigan-540055

                                        Nope I was talking about profiling in general. But if you are that stupid to wear a T-Shirt like that you should be profiled and harassed on the to dumb to live stand point. If you are ignorant enough as to wear something you KNOW will offend people at a sensitive time, you deserve what you get.

                                        • 6 votes
                                        #24.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:32 PM EST
                                        Act2

                                        No, but if the aclu continues the terrorists can advertise their intent and still be boarded.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #24.3 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:39 PM EST
                                        conservative in MI

                                        I agree with you Michigan 540055 - instead of worrying about everybody's feelings you need to use some common sense.  Think before you speak or at least be aware of your surroundings.  I'm sure that guy who won $240,000 can find another t-shirt to wear.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #24.4 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:41 PM EST
                                        DD50

                                        $240k???  That does it, I'm buyin' my kid a "strange" tshirt to wear on our Spring Break trip.  Any grief, we'll sue, and that ought to pay for his college! 

                                          #24.5 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:53 PM EST
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                                          luder

                                          People who are afraid to die shouldn't even walk out the door, and definitely shouldn't go onboard an aircraft.  Just stay home and cry... Geez, when will this stop?  We all got so paranoid about everything.  Yes, if you see a dude wearing some funny letter T-shirt, then strip search him, there's no need to have him removed from the plane.  As long as the plane is SAFE, who cares what other passengers think (well unless they make terroristic threats like BOMB or GUNS leave them alone!)...  If you see two muslims discussing the safest place on a plane, then search them again, and search the plane again... geez, who cares what they say as long as they are not making threats?  Grow up, if you're paranoid then don't fly.  Discussing the safest place on a plane is not a terroistic threat.  There is a difference between terrorism and just plain paranoia.  People need some life lessons to toughen up... Our society is being too protective, and that makes everyone a wimp.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#25 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:17 PM EST
                                          Ashamed of peoples stupidityDeleted
                                          DD50

                                          When "they" bombed the WTC the first time, in 1993, that was our foreshadowing.  But, who knew anyone would cook up such a scheme as using planes to carry out their horror? 

                                          I hate to fly anymore.  Avoid it whenever possible.  It just isn't fun anymore - I'm old enough to remember when it was a privilege, exciting, instead of a drag.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #25.2 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:57 PM EST
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                                          michelle123abc

                                          The progressives think we are so enlightened that common sense no longer applies. Please This is absurd.  And to the arabs instead of complaining about how you are treated so that we can be made safer why doesn't your community be more vocal in condemning the radicals who make such implementations neccesary. 

                                          • 5 votes
                                          Reply#26 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:17 PM EST
                                          hometowngirl-510510

                                          yes why dont the muslims of this world condemn their terrorist counterparts, why dont they report the ones they know are making bombs and plotting, instead they stay quiet and silently praise whoever they worship, at least when a white guy like mcveigh does something all of america is up in arms condeming his actions and calling for the death penalty etc, thats the difference and why its harder to trust the muslim

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #26.1 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:19 PM EST
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                                          Wisconsin Bob

                                          Is it not profiling to give frequent fliers easier access and smoother processing through security?  No matter what you do in life, you are triggering the profiling mechanism of the people that observe.  In some countries, I am looked at as just another arrogant American even though there is nothng arrogant about me (I hope).  It's part of life.  In this case, it could become part of death if we do not allow it.

                                          The innocent should have no problem with being profiled.  It's the guilty that worry about it most.  It's just like wire-tapping.  I don't care who listens to my calls,  I have nothing to hide.  Go ahead.  Listen.  When an entire culture has to worry about the few in their culture that are ruining it for them instead of getting a free pass, they will exert pressure on those people to stop what they are doing.  As long as we coddle the real terrorists and make it easy for them to do harm, we are askign for trouble.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          Reply#27 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:19 PM EST
                                          cutter-315893

                                          Wisconsin, excellent post.

                                            #27.1 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
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                                            drsls

                                            MSN is so backwards in  its logic, and if i were TSA i wouldnt pay one godd$#m penny of that fine.  i will now fly jet blue whenever i can because that pilot was smart enough to kick those people off the plane .   Please TSA continue to 'persist' in your racial profiling,  

                                            Hey Harriet:  9/11.  Lesson Learned?  Nope.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#28 - Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST
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