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ConsumerMan: End to credit card craziness?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:39 PM EST
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— Elisa Rizzo of Seattle just got her credit card statement. Her “fixed” interest rate nearly doubled, from 7.99 percent to 14.99 percent, even though she always pays her bill on time and has a good credit score. Why? The bank told her it had to charge the higher rate because of the downturn in the economy. Rizzo says she is “appalled at this action” and wants something done to “stop this madness ASAP!”

Let’s cut to the chase. For years, banks have taken advantage of their credit card customers with excessive fees and unexpected interest rate hikes. People who can barely make their monthly payment are devastated when it doubles overnight. “It is literally in some cases pushing them over the edge,” says credit counselor Renee Chamkunthod.

Help is on the way. In December, the Federal Reserve Board issued regulations to stop what it called “certain unfair acts or practices” that hurt cardholders. Among other things, the new rules will limit unexpected interest charges, prohibit an interest rate hike on pre-existing balances and require a reasonable amount of time for customers to make their payments.

Consumer groups like the new rules. But they say the Fed gave banks way too long – until July 2010 – to implement the changes. Consumer groups want Congress to stop the pain now.

“The Federal Reserve said these are abusive and deceptive practices,” notes Travis Plunkett, legislative director at the Consumer Federation of America. “It’s unfathomable that they would wait a year and a half and let the credit card companies continue to use them.”

Linda Sherry, director of national priorities at Consumer Action, believes the credit card companies “will continue to take advantage of consumers to boost their profits until these rules go into effect.”

Congress is already on the case. Last week, Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) introduced her Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act of 2009.

“This bill will allow consumers to manage their credit and not get interest rate increases unfairly put on them,” Rep. Maloney says. “They will know the information that is given to them is accurate.”

Senators Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Mark Udall (D-CO) are co-sponsoring similar legislation in the Senate. “It’s time to give the power back to the consumer,” Schumer says. The bill will do that, he says by outlawing “predatory practices” and banning “unannounced, unfair and deceptive fees and rate increases.”

The Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights would do many of the same things the Federal Reserve Board’s rules will do, but much faster. It takes effect 90 days after being signed into law. Rep. Maloney tells me she believes Congress will pass the bill “because the public is demanding it.”

It could happen to you!
Karen Reid is a horse breeder on Fox Island, Wash. She calls what happened to her “absolutely criminal.” Her credit card had a “7.99 percent fixed APR.” The ad states that in several places. But last August, her interest rate jumped from 7.99 percent to 20.39 percent on both her existing balance and new charges.

What had Reid done wrong? “Nothing,” she says. “I was never late with a payment ever, to them or anybody else.”

Reid called customer service as was told the rate hike was “a business decision” and did not reflect anything she had done. Her contract, she was told, said the interest rate on her “fixed rate” card could be changed for any reason at any time. “This is just corporate theft in my opinion,” she says. “I am very angry about it.”

The bank said Reid had been notified of the pending rate change. She says she never got such a notice. Reid made enough of a fuss that the bank agreed to roll back the rate to 7.99 percent on her balance as long as she agreed to cancel the card, which she did. Reid was very lucky.

The American Bankers Association says there’s never a guarantee a fixed interest rate on a credit card won’t go up. In other words, it’s fixed until it changes. “It doesn’t make sense to lend money to anyone at a loss,” says Nessa Feddis with the ABA. “The point is for banks to make money.”

Consumer groups say the bills before Congress don’t limit profit, just unjustified rate hikes. “A lender should decide how risky you are before you borrow money, instead of changing its mind and raising your rate after you’re already on the hook,” says Gail Hillebrand, a senior attorney at Consumers Union. And she points out, the bills before Congress would only prohibit changing the interest rate on existing balances. Bankers could still raise the rate on new charges.

Could new rules hurt consumers?
The banking industry has fought credit card reform every step of the way. It reluctantly accepts the new Federal Reserve Board’s rules – which give them 18 months to make changes - but strongly opposes congressional action.

In announcing the new rules last month, the Federal Reserve Board noted that they could result in higher interest rates and less available credit. The banking industry is already warning that will happen. “This will hurt consumers,” says the ABA’s Feddis.

“I don’t believe that will happen,” Congresswoman Maloney says. “Most consumers are asking for reforms. Why wait any longer?”

My two cents?
Let’s say the bankers are right and credit becomes less available. Is that such a bad thing? Does it make sense to give someone a credit card if he or she is unable to pay the bills? That’s what happened in the housing market and we all know where that got us.

Banks should be able to make a reasonable profit. But they should be required to treat customers fairly.

The banking industry will lobby hard against the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights. If you believe this bill should be passed – as I do – now is the time to contact Congress.

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notunderage

Absolutely right.  Contact your legislators NOW!!!!  The banking lobby is one of the worst.  If people want to keeping pointing fingers all day, point them in the right direction.  Clog your legislators' phone lines and mail boxes and e-mails with statements that you, as a consumer, will not tolerate inaction when it comes to fixing this massive miscarriage of financial justice.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:50 PM EST
Patti-836134

In the meantime, transfer your debt to a low or even zero "rate-for-transfers" card, and tell your credit card company that you are doing this and why.  Give them the option to bring your rate back to where it was or better, or you will go elsewhere.   Also, since some companies have in their "fine print" that if you are late on a payment, your interest rate goes up, call your credit card holders and set up automatic deduction of the minimum payment.  At least that way, your rate won't change.  You can always pay extra.

The credit card companies are trying to make money while they can, before the new laws take effect. 

    #1.1 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:12 PM EST
    Chuck-573665

    dewintre200..  This World is built on Credit.  Ever tried to live on 6,7,$8.00 bucks an hour and live within your means?

    • 2 votes
    #1.2 - Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:55 AM EST
    natilda12

    Chuck- This world is NOT built on credit. This is what this world is built on-

    Corp including banks borrow more than they save as a whole; consumers save more than they borrow as a whole. Consumers make up 2/3 of this economy. It is the spending and saving of the consumer that keeps the whole thing going. The economy was going before this slime of credit cards. It can work without them.

    The Brits acted smartly on this at this time last year. They already have the law in place.

    You know, I wondered what was going on... guess there was some political insider trading to these credit card companies. I have had heard more crazy stories in the past 2 months. Christmas at some stores was a disaster as customers found out about limit decreases at the counter as they were purchasing!

    One of my siblings put his vacation on a CC. He was paying them 5 to 7 times the minimum monthly. They decreased his limit. He had never been late and actually would carry a balance only part of the year. He called them. They said they decreased his limit because although he always paid on time- he was not paying enough. He noted the 5 to 7 times. The guy said, 'Sir that;s all I know from the notes on your account."

    The correct new bill for credit card companies must work to correct damage already done in some way. It must also limit the penalties a credit card may impose. For instance, the company should not be able to level pyramids of penalties. A late fee if you are less than 30 days late with temporary revocation of charging as always. No change in interest rates within the period the card is valid for. They may offer you a new account if they choose to reduce the rate. No change in due date once set within the period the card is valid for. Limit reductions only for those who are 60days or more. Penalties cannot be assessed based on the credit record for accounts with other creditors and must be based soley on the account in question. Then, review and take a couple to court for unfair credit practices. Watch them run!

    By the way- don't these folks fool you- they are right now working themselves out of a business. They too must have consumers who can spend AND pay off debt. They exist only to grant credit... they do not take deposits to hold- they do not act as a bank account.

    A neighbor shared with me that she was behind on one card in payments. She told them she would have to pay interest only for a couple of months. They said they would not accept that and she would incur late fees, etc. She said well that is all I can do. Then they threatened to sue her if this continued. She said okay sue me. While you are being bailed out for your inability to handle your own credit, millions perhaps billions are defaulting on payments to you. I'll wait in line with the others. Maybe I won't be able to pay you at all... They quickly accepted her interest only for Nov. through Jan.

    Again- don't let these folks fool you. Consumers need to pay them off piece by piece and then cancel the accts- one by one. If enough people did this, they would already be over with. Don;t worry about keeping it open with a zero balance. Every time we have done this, they change the account to include an annual fee! Think about it- what are credit cards good for? Only business use and some travel, really.

    If they all fail- good riddance!

    • 1 vote
    #1.3 - Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:09 AM EST
    ammamtoh

    If banks don't watch it the who credit industry will collaspe when cardholders get fed up and cancel their cards and don't get new ones.

      #1.4 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:17 PM EST
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      Jaye-767926

      A friend with a Bof A VISA found he had  serious medical problems.  With no health insurance  he used the card to get life saving medical treatment.    then got laid off and couldn't pay  his bills.   The CC rate went from 0%  to 29% retroactive on the entire balance of $10,000 with $290 per month minimum payment  He was told if he could manage to pay on time for a year, B of A would re-negotiate the interest rate, However, after 12 months of faithful minimum payments (at 29% )  the "best" they offered was 23% interest so he stopped paying them. -eriod.   No wonder they have "toxic debt" on their books. they take tax bail-outs and continue to "waterboard" their customers. Even when people are clearly trying to meet unfair obligations, they just pile on as though they could force blood from a turnip. 

      • 6 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:33 PM EST
      mpetr

      One word for this.  USURY!

      • 3 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:55 PM EST
      Pepster

      “It doesn’t make sense to lend money to anyone at a loss,” says Nessa Feddis with the ABA. “The point is for banks to make money.” 

      How can they not be making money????? and then they only pay me 3.25 on a CD. 

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:19 PM EST
      Lintee

      The lending rate from the Fed's is almost zero. 

      Don't cha wish we could get an almost zero rate for like forever?

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:44 PM EST
      Pepster

      It makes no sense!  They have to be making oodles, hand over fist! 

        #4.2 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:56 PM EST
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        had-enough-470242

        Let me get this straight.  The banks are lending money at a "loss" at 7.99% so they have to raise to 14.99% or higher?  Yeah, keep screwing the hand that feeds you.  It wont last forever.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:16 PM EST
        bdsleepy

        I wonder where the banks will get the money to lobby against " Credit Cards Bill of Rights Act 2009"?   Probably from the bailout money!!!  Corporate Criminals at work once again!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#6 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:03 AM EST
        dewintre200

        I want my money and I want it NOW! Yeah?

        Howbout not using your credit card again, ever, instead of volunteering 3 to 4% off every purchase you make?  That we've become a credit based society is the problem, not that we cannot further indulge our bad habits.

          #6.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:32 AM EST
          no-one-661189

          I bet their getting the moneyto lobby from raising all our rates and ripping us off before the act takes effects.

          • 1 vote
          #6.2 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:51 PM EST
          Dave-892107

          All,

          I agree that some of the stunts credit card companies are trying to pull is wrong, but you see most of these companies just got their asses handed to them because they thought their ponzi scam would never end and now they have all this consumer debt (Unsecured debt) and their saying oh @!$%#....better find a way to make as much as possibly before the bottom falls out. When you hear all these hard luck stories on this thread, I think, maybe we're only hearing part of the story. Lets see one person had 25000 dollars debt on (1) card, how many cards does she have? hell I have (6) or (7) cards and I've never had 25000 on one or all of them combined. I've not had any credit card companies try this @!$%# on me, well Washington Mutual Tried a couple yrs ago (They wanted to Raise my interest frm 7.99% to 14.% and tie it to the prime rate) I called them and they would not work with me so I xfered to another card @ 0% for 12 months and closed my account with WM. I keep my cards at a level that should they try that @!$%# with me, I just close the account and never use them again. My son is having trouble with BofA now jacking his interest to 24% on a account that has a 4000 dollar balance and they will not work with him, so when I get back from India I'm going to surprise them and pay his account off and mine too. I don;t need them. Sorry for rambling, what I'm saying is we as consumers are also to blame for putting our selfs in this mess.

            #6.3 - Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
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            Joe-833174

            what a great way to keep customer loyalty, take the customer for all they're worth.  thiefs that's all they are.  its interesting how when things were going well for them none of that made  its way to the consumer.  now they're in a mess and will do all they can to get every red cent out of you when you're not looking.  the chickens have come home to roost for the banking industry.

              Reply#7 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:44 AM EST
              Bobbym

              Criminals all of them, Corperate America is raping citizens around the World,Total Greed.Has to be stopped. One good thing is the Bush family is gone,at least we have a real President now,not a thug.

              And did you see on cable TV last week about who caused the recent gas hike it was NOT supply and Demand like they want you to believe it was our very own American Corperate Investers,Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley,to name a few Invested Trillions in Speculation that the price of gas would rise and guess what they in fact pushed the price up for millions worldwide while a few made billions.And now once they heard the feds were investigating the spike they all took thier money and ran like the thieves they are.

              Where was the oversight oh thats right Old George did not believe in Government Oversight what so ever. Wonder how much he invested.And just like them now he's gone.

               

              • 1 vote
              Reply#8 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:50 AM EST
              dewintre200

              When you said Corporate America, you reminded me of a babbling Alex Baldwin in Team America.

              Usury has been around since, oh..  the invention of money.  The same people who crucified the first messiah aren't going to be taken to task by the next one.  Obama isn't going to abolish the Federal Reserve or put us back on the gold standard, or any of those "insane" ideas that many economists recommend.

              If you don't want to be taken by thieves, then don't borrow money from them.  Simple as that.  We aren't entitled to borrow.  Americans need to learn to live within their means.

              • 1 vote
              #8.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:37 AM EST
              Paul-336279

              BOBBYM, You are quite right about the speculators. This is the pin that burst the bubble. When so many consumers were living hand to mouth their gas quadrupled, their mortgage payments fell behind, some with ARM's. You can not qualify for re-financing if you have fallen behind on your payments and thus the situation we are ALL now in! The oil and gas prices were over inflated and artificially driven! Even OPEC said they did not know why as supply and demand were equalized.

              • 2 votes
              #8.2 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:43 AM EST
              leodude

              You are absolutely right! Banks wouldn't have sooooo much money if people weren't so dishonest. Weren't they originally created to protect people's money in a big steel box? Now they have become the thieves, only smart enough to stay within the bounderies of the law by hiring SMART people to help them steal from thier customers! You see, they don't just want SOME of the money anymore, they want it ALL!!

                #8.3 - Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:15 PM EST
                Zach-815585

                I did not see that on cable. I saw it on 60-minutes, which is a local channel. Cable companies is part of the problem. Like the credit card companies, they continue to increase their rates. That is why I cancel my subscription. My only regret is that I had not done it sooner.

                • 1 vote
                #8.4 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:02 PM EST
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                Bobbym

                When does this Corperate Bull ever end, White collar crime is now the number one threat to America and the World as we know it.

                  Reply#9 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:53 AM EST
                  dewintre200

                  Oh?  And here I was worried about American turning into Greater Mexico.

                    #9.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:40 AM EST
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                    Dan-833210

                    In any other industry these practices have descriptive tags attached to them. These include larceny, criminal, despicable etc. Some of the preceding require jail time and some don't. My point is credit card companies rank lower than payday loans or pawnshops. All those dirty scumbags throwing portions of what they stole at lawmakers so they can steal more. Only in America! I say like many others, let the Banks swallow what they put in their  mouth and not spit it in our laps and expect to walk away for us to clean up. Pay off your cards and revert back to small secured debt and solid Banks that made good decisions. Let their greed take them where they belong, in the crapper! Shareholders, what can you say? You win some and you lose some. Cry on your own pillow! Hey all you lowlife penguins, crow dont taste that bad!

                      Reply#10 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:57 AM EST
                      SirJohn

                      Citibank just did the exact same thing to me and offered to roll back the rates if I cancelled my card but I couldn't do that.  My interest rate more than doubled on a card that I had used a lot with a high balance and I did nothing wrong.  I always paid more than requested and always on time.  This "ain't right".

                        Reply#11 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:26 AM EST
                        dewintre200

                        Yep.  I had the same problem.  I have several cards, but have been debt free for a couple of years now.  Two of my cards were closed, one had the credit line reduced and the rate increased.  My credit score is in the 800's, I've never been late on a payment.  I own my house, my car, and am in the black.  If they're screwing me over, as minimal a risk as I am, I can only imagine what people with bad credit are doing.

                        Personally I think the banks want a specific kind of customer : one who is just marginal enough that they need to borrow, and just reliable enough they'll pay it all back.  They want people to screw up, and then make good on their fines.  They don't make any money off people who follow the rules, and certainly not those who default.

                        • 1 vote
                        #11.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:43 AM EST
                        wolfess

                        I'm working on being debt-free but it's hard with the econ the way it is, and when combined with the fact that the only way to HAVE credit is to USE credit, it's not enough to pay off the cards and close them all -- you have to pay them off and charge a small amount every few months and pay that amount on or before the next month so your credit score stays high.  After it's all said and done, the damned credit card companies have you by the bal*s no matter what you do.

                          #11.2 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:43 PM EST
                          achtland111

                          Citi screwed me, too. They had just lowered my rate from 28.99% to 13.99% in November, then sent me the "pay up or cancel your card" notice that we all apparently got. Now they've bumped it up to 24.99%. I don't have perfect credit, but it isn't about that. It's about greed. Wonder if someone at city is redoing their office and needs a $35K toilet or $87K rug like that BofA guy?

                          • 1 vote
                          #11.3 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:04 AM EST
                          Sigh-268832

                          dewintre200

                          Personally I think the banks want a specific kind of customer : one who is just marginal enough that they need to borrow, and just reliable enough they'll pay it all back. They want people to screw up, and then make good on their fines. They don't make any money off people who follow the rules, and certainly not those who default. 

                          Finally...an explanation, short, sweet and HONEST

                            #11.4 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:58 PM EST
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                            metalworker

                            I gave up on credit cards about 15 years ago. The cards just make impulse buying too easy and consumers end up with a pile of debt they can not afford. Corporate entities and financial institutions have made many attempts to force all consumers into carrying at least one card, such as the seeming inability to rent a car without one. As debit/credit cards have gained in popularity, the banks are asessing new and increasing rate structures to garner excessive profits from their use as well. Automated banking was originally touted as an effective means for banks to cut costs and pass the savings on to consumers. What happened?

                            Do everything you possibly can to unwind your own cycle involving credit card debt and dispode of them.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#12 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:14 AM EST
                            dewintre200

                            Good show.  :)  I recall a credit card commercial where everyone paid with their cc smiling, but somehow the guy that whipped out cash held up the entire line.  What a joke!  If I was a retailer, I'd be happy to accept cash.  There is no question after-the-fact of whether I'm going to get paid, plus I don't eat merchant visa fees.  The inconvenience is that the cashier has to give you change?  That can't take much longer than waiting on a card to authorize and signing the slip.

                              #12.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:46 AM EST
                              Sigh-268832

                              And don't forget, the cashier is paying into income and social security taxes, AND is now able to make purchases on his/her own, helping to stimulate the economy (I know; but at least it's a start), which is waaay more productive than the banking industry sucking dollars out of you for more hunting and spa trips!

                                #12.2 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:03 PM EST
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                                Leonard Rockstein

                                Well I for one have frozen the use of my credit card. The banks are continuing to rort heavily. When I  do use it , I go home , pay it off....my card has 55 days interest free...so they won't be making dime one.

                                  Reply#13 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:53 AM EST
                                  dewintre200

                                  They make 3% to 4% on every transaction you make.

                                  Its the fee the retailer pays for his merchant visa account.  This cost of course is passed on to you the consumer.  You just don't know its there, because the merchant visa agreement forbids the retailer from offering a different price schedule for cash ( they don't want the retailer making cc use appear more expensive ).  So the end result is that even cash customers pay extra just because the vendor accepts credit cards.

                                  Can you imagine how much money the banks siphon out of the economy?

                                    #13.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:20 AM EST
                                    JCurry

                                    Problem is that those same vendors would not think of giving you a cash discount for not using your credit card.

                                      #13.2 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:34 PM EST
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                                      Ed-280991

                                      Credit scores have become the favorite and most prevalent method of legalized extortion by Corporate America to date. Information is gathered daily on each of us by numerous entities without our consent and in most cases without our knowledge. Information they in turn sell to others for billions of dollars; information both personal and financial that is used against us on multiple levels by corporations to extort higher fees and in some cases deny access for many common Americans to the fundamental needs of life. These entities bear no responsibility for the accuracy of the information they disseminate or the security of the databases which have evolved as a result of the collections of our personal data. Information which dictates the interest rates we, as common Americans, pay for things such as cars, homes, furniture, insurance, even food. Even the ability to get a job can be affected by information dispersed by these corporate lone sharks.
                                      Power companies are using credit scores to dictate if you may even be allowed to have electricity. Credit card companies use even the slightest notations to your credit report to raise your rates regardless if the information is correct or not. Even if you prove that there is an error they will not adjust your rates to those which initially caused you to acquire the card. Insurance companies are using credit scores as an excuse to deny people insurance or at the very least jack the rates up to an unaffordable level. Again the common man has no recourse even if he proves the information propagated by the credit bureaus is incorrect.
                                      In many cases bill collectors are using the threat of deliberately adding negative information to people's credit report to extort monies from the elderly and poor even if the debt is not theirs. An example in point, an elderly man I met told me in his case the collector told him it didn't matter if he was the real debtor or not. If he didn't pay he would put a notation in his credit report. Everything he had that required credit would go up. Things like utility bills, insurance, credit card payments would all go up significantly. The old man said he was barely making ends meet as it was so he sent him a check. I asked him if he reported it to someone. He said he called the credit bureau but they told him the correctness of the information was his responsibility.
                                      Each year millions of people are adversely affected by identity theft when then same information brokers have their security breached. In most cases the authorities are never informed and millions never know that their personal information has been compromised. All the common man knows is somebody got their personal information and stole not only their money but destroyed their credit. They spend untold hours trying to recover their credit and their lives. Meanwhile the very entities who were selling their information for a profit bear no legal or financial responsibility. They simply used their lackadaisical approach to network security to come up with two additional products for which to charge a fee; Identity Theft Protection and Credit Protection Programs. It's amazing how they can turn what is obviously an inherent responsibility into a fee based service.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#14 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:00 AM EST
                                      dewintre200

                                      I think we should have laws like Germany, that forbid companies to collect data ( or sell it ) on persons with whom they have no direct business relationship.  That would put an end to credit reporting and related identity theft.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #14.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:24 AM EST
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                                      Paul-336279

                                      The Fed's should change the way they charge the interest. With a credit card you are charged interest on top of the interest you are already charged. This accumulates on a DAILY basis. Where I come that's called "Loan Sharking"!

                                      A "Simple Interest" method would allow consumers to pay off their balances in a reasonable amount of time and allow the banks to make some profits at the same time!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#15 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:47 AM EST
                                      dewintre200

                                      That would be fine, but in the end you're just asking the government to intervene in what is essentially a voluntary contract between you and the bank.  My concern is that we've elevating credit card use to that of an entitlement, when we should be just not using them.

                                        #15.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:17 PM EST
                                        teach34181

                                        It's impossible to rent a car without a credit card. Having poor credit these days is akin to being a felon. Difficultly securing rental property, utilities, well-paying employment, insurance. Businesses which are not extending credit have no business using credit based scores as a primary decision factor in extending rental housing, auto insurance or any other non credit based transaction!

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #15.2 - Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:23 AM EST
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                                        Indy TX

                                        ... and here I thought the article was going to be about the credit card companies ending their practice of bombarding people with credit card offers --- people with no or little credit history or ability to make payments. I saw a neighbor's letter of a credit card offer to her 4-year-old.

                                          Reply#16 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:03 PM EST
                                          El_Mexicano

                                          Dont worry gringos, our banks down here in Mexico (and even some american banks with offices here) have been charging us with anual interest rates that are between 40 and 107% since I have memory. And we always pay!!!!

                                          So dont whine on 14%, what happens is that the US was living a dream and suddenly it woke up to the rest of the world reality.

                                          Just pay and stop whining about wimpy rates.

                                            Reply#17 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:28 PM EST
                                            Ken-663341

                                            If us gringos are so bad why don't you get in one of your tunnels and go back to Mexico.

                                              #17.1 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:06 PM EST
                                              dewintre200

                                              Your rates in Mehico are probably a reflection of your ability to repay.

                                                #17.2 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:59 AM EST
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                                                L. LEVITT

                                                One thing this article did not address is what just happened to me.  My line of credit was cut in half on one of my cards.  Instead of only having used 41% of my credit line, I now have used 82%.  The problem is twofold.  First I do not have the available credit I might need, and second this move affects my credit rating.  The credit agencies penalize when most of your credit line is used.  This move is just another example of why banks got into trouble to begin with.  They penalize customers who pay on time and who they earn interest instead of those who are truely not credit worthy.  When the free flow of credit is needed the most in our ailing economy, these dunderheads are restricting and contracting credit. 

                                                  Reply#18 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:41 PM EST
                                                  Maui Bob

                                                  I remember when there were no credit cards and we got along just fine.  Cut up the credit cards and go back to cash.  Both the government and the banks will hate you.

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                                                  Reply#19 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:01 PM EST
                                                  JCurry

                                                  If possible, use credit cards only to your advantage.  Get a credit card that does not have an annual fee and that does have a cash-back feature based on the volume of your charges.  If you pay the entire balance every month without fail, they pay you to use their card.  In addition, you get added consumer protection by being able to dispute charges from vendors for shoddy service or product or for any improper charge.  If you pay-off the balance monthly, it doesn't matter how high is the interest rate since you never subject yourself to interest by not carrying a balance. 

                                                  If you really can't live without a credit card, then you shouldn't use one at all. 

                                                    Reply#20 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:32 PM EST
                                                    dewintre200

                                                    That cash back is coming out of the merchant visa fee, so the banks aren't actually paying you, they're just letting you keep a percent of what they'd normally keep.

                                                      #20.1 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:00 AM EST
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                                                      Ken-663341

                                                      Discover card jacked my rate from 12.99 to 24.99 on new purchases and 28.99 on my old balance even though I have never been late on a payment, always paid more than the minimum payment and I also have a 720+ credit rating. I would take out a loan to pay it off but  my bank did the SAME THING TO ME! Even sent me a letter saying it was nothing I had done, but because of the hard economic times. What happened to that contract I signed when I took the loan or credit card? Why do I have to abide by it and the banks don't. I should send them a letter telling them that due to the hard economic times that THEY CAUSED, I'm forgiving myself the monies I owe them. 

                                                        Reply#21 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:58 PM EST
                                                        Lintee

                                                        All of us should make a business decision and pay off the credit cards and never use a credit card again. 

                                                        Run the greedy corporate pigs out of business.

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                                                        Reply#22 - Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:47 PM EST
                                                        kacky

                                                        Another reason why I don't use credit cards. I would never sign a contract that gives the seller the right to come after more money without permission from a government body, like the utilities do.

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                                                        Reply#23 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:05 AM EST
                                                        kacky

                                                        PS I have never had a problem disputing shoddy service on cash or debit card purchases. That feature just isn't worth it.

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                                                        #23.1 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:09 AM EST
                                                        Merewen

                                                        Don't get me started on utility companies.  They are the devil!  I really wish some one would explain to me how something that is a necessity ends up being financial rape.  Laws say you can't live in a home without running water or electricity, but utility companies do everything in their power to make it harder to follow these laws.

                                                          #23.2 - Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:08 PM EST
                                                          Zach-815585

                                                          I wore sweaters, sox and even scarfs in my home to keep my electric bill low. I keep it just warm enough to prevent the pipes from bursting. My family thinks I am weird, but while they have a $400 electric bill, my bill is only about $60. Also, my water usage is so low, that the administrative fee is $2 lower than the amount for my water usuage. When I called to ask why my administrative fee is so high, the representative told me that the dollar amount of my water usuage is the minimum that one can pay. She then proceed to ask "how many people were living in your household." She had never seen a bill that low. I am fighting utility companies with a vengence. No one, not financial institutions, banks or oil companies is going to take advantage of me. Everytime a bill goes up, I find a way to cut back on something else just so I could stay ahead.

                                                            #23.3 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:31 PM EST
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                                                            levileo

                                                            Everyone should stop paying their bills on February 1, 2009.  When the collectors start calling tell them that you sent in payment last year for $350 billion and that the banks can keep the change. 

                                                             On a serious note, consumers are becoming more concerned with the treatment they are receiving from their banks.  It is coming back to bite the banks in the end.  As more people decide that it does not pay to pay the bills they will simply not feel obligated to pay whatever the bank says.  They will start going to more debt consolidation programs, file bankruptcy, let the banks charge the debt off etc.......  Banks are quickly digging their own graves.  Bank of America is digging a deep one.

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                                                            Reply#24 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:47 AM EST
                                                            Laura Rye

                                                            Everyone ticked off by high interest rates on credit cards can give thanks to Bill and Wally.

                                                             

                                                            Times were tough you see.  Bill and Wally were hard up for money.  They needed an idea, a gimmick, a line, a plan and boy did they ever come up with a doozy.  Whether you like it or not Bill and Wally’s plan added a new dimension to the American way of life and odds are you’re caught up in the game.

                                                             

                                                            South Dakota was admitted to the statehood on November 2, 1889 with an economy based on wood, hogs, milk, wheat and corn.  But a little less than one hundred years later its economy was dead.  The wheat and corn business weren’t cutting it and Bill Janklow governor at the time was looking for a savior. 

                                                             

                                                            On the other hand Walter Wriston was worried.  His company, Citibank, had lost over a billion dollars in the credit card business.  His hopes for the future were bleak at best.  Inflation was rising faster than New York based Citibank was allowed to charge folks for their credit cards.  He had to get out of town or drown and suddenly the wild, wild west looked real good.

                                                             

                                                            Here’s the deal.  Usury laws were put into place to stop banks from charging a huge amount of interest for borrowed money.  But in 1978 a Supreme Court ruling was passed which allowed a bank in Lincoln Nebraska for instance, to charge folks living in Minnesota the 18 percent interest rate allowed by Nebraska even though Minnesota has an interest ceiling of 12 percent. 

                                                             

                                                            Wally began to dream in dollar signs.  With stars in his eyes he approached Bill offering a sweet tasting deal.  Citibank was willing to uproot and replant in the state of South Dakota, providing a few hundred jobs to the poor folks of that state, if in return, Bill would be willing to allow Citibank to tweek those pesky usury laws. 

                                                             

                                                            Bill heard the word “jobs” and began salivating.  South Dakota wasn’t worth much to anyone else at the time, why couldn’t it become the credit capital of the United States? 

                                                             

                                                            And so it came to pass that emergency legislation drafted by Citibank was introduced and approved.

                                                             

                                                            Three thousand jobs were created in the state of South Dakota, Citibank entered a world of tremendous profit and Americans learned the true meaning of debt, paying more than 18 percent interest on money borrowed, even though inflation had subsided.

                                                             

                                                            Legalized loan sharks are now an integrated part of the American Way. With online purchasing, we start our young early encouraging them to succumb by their high school years then really pressing them to use credit cards to get through the college maze. 

                                                             

                                                            So now the debt and misery of South Dakota is shared by all and we have the ingenious minds of Bill and Wally to thank.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                              Reply#25 - Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST
                                                              Alykatma

                                                              Thats a major factor... Banks can skirt state laws by moving to states with lax laws and charge anything they want

                                                                #25.1 - Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:57 AM EST
                                                                Merewen

                                                                I live this every day living in Delaware.   For the residents of these states it is not good.  Most of our laws benefit the companies and not the residents that pay the taxes.

                                                                  #25.2 - Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:12 PM EST
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