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Scoop: Alba schools Fox’s O'Reilly in history

Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:40 PM EST
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WASHINGTON - JANUARY 18: Actress Jessica Alba attends a pre-inauguration party hosted by Tropicana at Renaissance Washington Hotel on January 18, 2009 in Washington , D.C. (Photo by Michael Loccisano/Getty Images for Dan Klores Communications)

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— Jessica Alba is setting the record straight: Sweden was neutral during World War II.

Alba and Fox TV show host Bill O’Reilly traded punches last week after the presidential inauguration. After Alba told a Fox reporter that O’Reilly was “kind of an a-hole;” he retaliated by calling her a “pinhead” for telling a reporter to “be Sweden about it,” assuming she meant Switzerland.

“I want to clear some things up that have been bothering me lately,” Alba blogged on MySpace Celebrity. “Last week, Mr. Bill O'Reilly and some really classy sites (i.e.TMZ) insinuated I was dumb by claiming Sweden was a neutral country. I appreciate the fact that he is a news anchor and that gossip sites are inundated with intelligent reporting, but seriously people... it's so sad to me that you think the only neutral country during WWII was Switzerland.”

Although Switzerland is more frequently cited as an example of neutrality, Sweden did indeed follow a policy of neutrality during World War II. History point to Alba.

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DisabledVeteran, observer

Who cares about ANY of this swill? Live your own lives, folks.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:31 PM EST
Doctor Larry

Agree.

But we need to wait for other celebrities to weigh in before we make any important decisions.............

Right?

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:06 PM EST
Aden-795329

Hypocrisy, anyone. You have just enough time to read it and comment that it is trash. But you read it didn't you. So don't act like you are above it.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:25 PM EST
What-844373

I saw the inteview unlike an the oblivious writer of this artlcle - Coutney Hazlett. This was not a discussion of WWII but a reference to a country she considered as an example of neutrality. She was very obviously getting the two countries confused. She needs to stop procreating.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:57 PM EST
Cyn-525813

Boy some people will continue to be O'Reilly parrots even when its a matter of history that he was wrong. Ms. Alba was indeed correct. Sweden was a neutral country during WWII, just like the article said. You know, the article you didn't finish reading once the hero of the fascist right was made to look like an idiot...again.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:16 AM EST
PJs mom

How nice of Jessica Alba to refer to O'Reilly a "news anchor". Isn't he a former entertainment reporter who jumped on the right wing talk show bandwagon at just the right time? He is an entertainer pretending to be a journalist. Not surprising at all that he is ignorant re: WWII history but satisfying that he would be called out on his ignorance by Ms. Alba, whom he no doubt considers intellectually inferior to him. Good for her!

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:16 AM EST
Rich-300568

she is a poster child for all you angry liberals BOMB SWEDEN

    #1.6 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 4:16 PM EST
    Reply
    Denise Harman

    Alba may want to do a little more research. Many Swedes collaborated with the Nazis.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:57 PM EST
    sls-456922

    As did the Swiss...ever heard of the Swiss banks that harbored money and valuables stolen by the Nazis? The point is that the governments of these countries had a policy of neutrality (it was a short article and that info was included in it...maybe reread before commenting). Whether it was followed or not doesn't seem to be part of the discussion.

    • 8 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:59 PM EST
    Margaret-563035

    My son-in-law is Swedish, and they were a neutral country during WWII. He said he was not proud of the fact that they would not take in any Jewish people at that time, but they were afraid of the Germans. Who was not afraid of the Germans? They killed most of the population then and wanted to create only a population of blonde-headed, blue-eyed children. In actuality, Hitler himself had some Jewish ancestry himself. Anyway, Sweden has always been on the side of the United States, and they still like us; whereas many countries do not.

    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:00 PM EST
    gq-493931

    While the Swedes did not physically fight..they were essentially a money launderer for the Nazi's.  Also they sold them a great deal of natural resources at prices controlled by the Nazi's.  So I wouldn't exaclty call them "neutral."  It's kind of like Iran giving aid to terrorists but Iran saying they are not at all involved in the war...I'm not saying either Bill or Jessica is right or wrong, but the statement Alba made is vague and didn't really elaborate.

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:43 PM EST
    Tom-495906

    Sweden actually DID take in Jewish refugees, unlike Switzerland, which only took Jewish money and then tried like hell NOT to give it back after the war. I give you the examples of the ENTIRE DANISH Jewish pop being evacuated to Sweden just before the SS and Gestapo were going to round them up and ship them out to the death camps. And then of course, there is the case of diplomat Raoul Wallenberg who handed out over 100,000 Swedish passports to Hungarian Jews in order to save them from the gas chambers. And, AGAIN, it was SWITZERLAND that laundered money for the Nazis, as well as providing a route for the transit of strategic materials. Sweden shipped iron ore and in fact supported both the Danish AND Norwegian resistance movements, again someting Switzerland DID NOT do. Sweden also spied for the Allies, and gave us a V-2 rocket that crashed on Swedish territory to study. Sweden was far from perfect, but was an allied asset compared to Switzerland.

    Cudos to Alba for pointing out what a bunch of morons O'Reilly AND the show biz press are.

    • 2 votes
    #2.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:08 PM EST
    Sweede

    In fact the Swedes took a VERY passive stance on the Nazi cause to the point that they were "used" by the Nazi's for staging and became very important to Hitler in the Baltic region. To say they were neutral is a mistake. Choosing not to do anything sometimes makes you as guilty as those that take decisive action. Alba needs to stick to knucklehead comedies and grade B thrillers.

    • 1 vote
    #2.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST
    rjkardo

    To say they were neutral is not a mistake. They were neutral.

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:32 PM EST
    Olsson

    At the time of the war Sweden was needing to try to keep Sweden out of the war , The army was a joke so it have been easy for anyone to take Sweden . Sweden was taking the same position they had under world war 1 - Neutral -

    Now that was not easy and they made some bad things and some good things to keep Sweden out of the war .

    Sweden and Germony always have been close , Herman Göring was married to a Swedish woman and he got shelter in Sweden after Hitler tried to get the power the first time .The Swedish King at that time was realy close to the Nazi, Germany was needing a lot of Swedens natural recourses .So all of this made it hard to stand up against the Germans

    So the biggining of the war Sweden was doing a lot of stuff that was not a good part of the History , Returning jews back to Denmark when they tried to escape the Nazis , letting germans plane fly over Sweden , letting trops using the railroad when they went from Norway to Germany .

    They was doing some good things to , letting 4000 war children come from Finland to be safe , training people from Norway and Denmark to fight the Germans ( they was doing this in secret ).

    Raol Wallenberg did save a lot of people , he was spying for the Alies to . In the end of the war ( (1945) the germans in Norway refuse at first to give up after Hitler died and then Sweden was telling them they was going to go in the war against then and that made the Germans to surrender . The Polic e troops that went to Danmark and Norweyafter the Germans gave up was coming from trainings camps in Sweden . It was no soldiers from England or USA there then and it was taking many weeks before the come there .

    The Bernadotte white buses that went to the camps in germany before the war was over and saved 1000 of people ( they was able to do this becouse of there contacts with the germans )

    The Swedish government was the first country to tell about the terrible things that was going on in the camps in Poland and nobody was beliving them .

    So I think Sweden was and was not Neutral under WW2 , They was Neutral under the cold war to but they was spying on Russia and was giving the information to the USA , the russians shoot down a Swedish plane in the 1960 ( full with electrinic stuff from the USA) They was sending in a lot of people in to tha baltic states in the 1950 to spy against the russians and the all got killd . The airports in Sweden are build so the can take planes from the Nato and the military have all the time been training against a enemy from the east and friends from the west .

    This was happening under the time when Sweden was Neutral and Olof Palme was demostrating with the Nortn veitnams ambassador against Nixons bombing of Hanoi .

    So Sweden have always been Neutral and working with the west an Nato , a tricky walk on a tiny roop in a dangerous part of the world.

    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:16 PM EST
    Olsson

    ¨Sweden was neutral under WW2 , They want to be out of the war , They dident realy have any armed forces to talk about when the war was starting so they dident have so many options . Be neutral and be walking on a tine line and try to be out of the war .

    In the biggining of the war The Germans was the strongest and after 1941 it was starting to turn around and after that it was going down with Hitler .

    You need to be friendly with the strongest to be able to be Neutral and the goal of the Swedish government under that time was to be in charge over Swedish territory and to have no fighting on Swedish soil and they was succesful with that . The price to pay to keep Sweden out of that war was some dark side of the Swedish history .

    • 1 vote
    #2.8 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:00 PM EST
    Cyn-525813

    That was the Swiss who were major money launderers. I guess the brain injury called O'Reilly isn't the only person who needs to convince themself they are smarter than a first grader. Too bad they are the only ones convinced. Every historical reference in the article is correct.

    The Swiss and Sweden were officially neutral. Many Swiss bankers benefited from aiding and abetting Nazi money and art thefts. Not too many Swedes were big bankers. This wasn't a statement of actions of private citizens or even what the government may or may not have done unofficially. Ms. Alba was making the point that Sweden was OFFICIALLY neutral and perhaps the not as smart as he thinks he is O'Reilly should remain neutral on a certain point, also. Your defense of O'Reilly and attempts to convince people Sweden wasn't neutral are as pathetic as O'Reilly.

      #2.9 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:24 AM EST
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      manawar

      Still makes her stupid as all bitchy celebs are!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:22 AM EST
      Janeinthisworld

      Its Bill O'Reilly who's stupid. Why didn't he know Sweden was neutral? He owes Alba an apology.

      • 10 votes
      #3.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:58 AM EST
      Two Cents Worth

      Billy's a giant doosh bag who likes phone sex with his interns. He doesn't have the right to call anyone a pinhead.

      • 2 votes
      #3.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:45 AM EST
      manawar

      Jessica alba is nothing but a media whore!

      • 3 votes
      #3.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:05 AM EST
      manawar

      Some how the two of you are unable to read simple history. Just like the chick who cant act her way out of a paper bag. She is more like a flaming bag on a porch.

      • 1 vote
      #3.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:13 AM EST
      davefromdanapointca

      It would have been kind of hard to tell if Sweden was neutral after they would intern allied pilots who made emergency landings there and let the axis pilots go back home to their perspective countries. Same thing with Switzerland. Also Sweden let the Germans use some of their bays and fiord's to hide their ships from time to time and didn't protest it but made a stink about the English when they went looking for them but then again the swedes also bought lots of aircraft from the Germans and Italians as well through out the war. The truth is they leaned more towards the nazis than towards the allieds, and that is a historical fact.

      Ten thousand Swedes ran through the weeds chased by one Norwegian when ten thousand more came up from the shore and then the odds were even

        #3.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:17 AM EST
        Thomas Jefferson-380547

        and you know this, how? There are many dimwited celebs, but Alba, oddly is not one of them.

        • 3 votes
        #3.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:48 AM EST
        Janeinthisworld

        Manawar, try picking up a history book sometime.

        Technically speaking, the US was also neutral for a time at the beginning of WWII. But that didn't stop us from supporting Europe in other ways.

        • 2 votes
        #3.7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:04 AM EST
        Margaret-563035

        How right you are! The United States was neutral even after it had been told that Hitler was indeed sending the Jewish people to be euthanized. The ONLY reason that we got in on it was the bombing of Pearl Harbor on a peaceful Sunday morning, taken off guard by the Japanese. If that had not happened, we probably would have not even gotten into it. My oldest brother was in WWII and was killed in the Pacific Ocean. I had a WWII veteran for a history teacher in high school, and that is where I learned a lot of history about it. I was only 2-years-old when Pearl Harbor was bombed.

        • 2 votes
        #3.8 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:05 PM EST
        manawar

        This discussion was about the celebutard Alba. Clearly i have studied history that is how I know she is what she is. STUPID insipid and bought into her own hype!

        • 1 vote
        #3.9 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:43 PM EST
        Olsson

        About the pilots and crew members that was coming from the allied forces dident want to go home .

        A majority of the was tired of the war and they just wanted to survive the war.

        When they was on a bombing raid over Germony and was geting damages on the plane it was safer to fly to Sweden and land or jump down there . Most of the planes that come there at the end of the war was not having any damages to them and most of them drop the bombs over the ocean before they come to Sweden.

        So the Swedish government dident want to force them home so they was ending up in camps in south of Sweden and they could safe waiting for the end of the war.

        • 1 vote
        #3.10 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:11 PM EST
        Cyn-525813

        WHY manawar? She was right!!!! Or is it her showing up O'Reilly for what he is, a blowhard, mental midget? Either way, you're just silly and laughable.

        • 2 votes
        #3.11 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:26 AM EST
        manawar

        Aw cyn do you have a girl crush on alba the retard? I'm sorry did i hurt your feelings? I was commenting on the idiot that alba is.

        • 1 vote
        #3.12 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:04 AM EST
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        David-842126

        Swedens Neutrality has been disputed by many since in effect Sweden allowed the Nazi regime to use its railroad system to transport troops and goods,

        Hey Jessica check out all your facts. SmartAss!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:47 AM EST
        Margaret-563035

        Yes, they "allowed" it. Wouldn't you allow it if you would be put to death if you did not?

        • 1 vote
        #4.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:11 PM EST
        Tom-495906

        And Sweden ALSO allowed the Danish and Norwegian resistance to train and hide IN Sweden, as well as taking in Jewish refugees and spying FOR the Allies, even giving us a V-2 rocket that crashed on Swedish territory. I'd say Alba not only picked a neutral country, but picked the one that did MORE for the Allies under the cover of neutrality.

        Maybe YOU should read some history, David.

        • 3 votes
        #4.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:12 PM EST
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        dbo'r

        Alba is an idiot. Yes, Sweden was neutral during WWII. But historically, Switzerlad is THE example of European neutrality. Sweden had an empire as late as the early 18th century when it invaded Russia, and was the model 17th century Protestant military machine. When you want to imply neutrality, you use the Swiss as an example, not Sweden. Her use of Sweden, though correct, was severely misplaced. Alba needs to put her slender knowledge in context. The Leichtensteinians are neutral too, as were the Dutch and Belgians in WWI, but would you say, "be Leichtensteinian about it", or "Be Belgian about it"? No. That would be pinheadish.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:52 AM EST
        Andy Groeneveld

        You are absolutely right. Alba screwed up and most likely was told later Sweden also claimed neutrality. But the truth is Sweden wasn't exactly neutral although like you said, she would have been technically correct. Holland wanted to be neutral in WWII, but Germany wouldn't have any of it and bombed the crap out of them until they capitulated.

        • 2 votes
        #5.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:04 AM EST
        Margaret-563035

        Yes, the Dutch were neutral, but they got run over by the Germans and men taken and forced to be in the German Army. I lived in Holland for two years. I know the history of that country during WWII, and it is not pretty. As for Sweden, they only had one railroad which they were forced to allow the Germans to use; otherwise, they would not have. They did it for their own safety's sake.

        • 2 votes
        #5.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:09 PM EST
        Tom-495906

        Sweden HELPED the Allies, allowing us to set up listening posts on SWEDISH territory, allowing Danish and Norwegian resistance fighters to use SWEDEN as a base for attacking the Germans, saving almost the entire Jewish population of Denmark. Sweden did more for the Allied cause than Switzerland ever conceived of doing.

        Cudos to Alba for picking the BETTER neutral of WW II.

        • 1 vote
        #5.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:17 PM EST
        jf-821372

        Very well stated!

          #5.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:14 PM EST
          The Real Slim K

          and have you seen her? VERY attractive that young lady.!

          • 1 vote
          #5.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:15 PM EST
          Tad-401841

          Jessica Alba is a lot more beautiful and intelligent than O'Reilly. Sorry Bill but sexy and smart beats out old fart media bullies with too much ego and self righteousness. Don't be a "bloviator" and a "pinhead."

          • 2 votes
          #5.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:58 PM EST
          Olsson

          The Swedish government was allowing the Germas to use the railroads .

          It was starting in 1940 with wounded German soldiers from Norway that was going home to Germany ( It was only allowes if the dident had any weapons with them )

          1941 when Germany was attacking Russia they was going on train in Sweden ( Troops from Norway back to Germany and later to Poland ) That time they dident have any weapens with them .

          My grandfather was working on the railroad in Sweden .

          • 1 vote
          #5.7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:23 PM EST
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          David-842126

          Swedens neutrality has been disputed by many since in effect Sweden allowed the Nazi regime to use its railroad system to transport troops and goods, especially iron ore from the rich mines in northern Sweden, which was vital to the German war machine.

          Doesn't sound too neutral to me....

          • 1 vote
          Reply#6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:53 AM EST
          vic-842144

          both sweden and switzerland were secrect allies/supporters of the nazi regime. The nazi regime could not survive anymore then a year or two with out secret swiss funding and the metal ores the nazis got from sweden. In what passes for an educational system and pop history on tv they appear neutral but because of their secret or hidden colaboration they caused the death of countless millions of people. Remember folks a modern army cannt fight with out money and high strength steel alloys both of which were provided to hitler by the swiss and swedes. And Alba probably thought that the only thing the swiss and swedes provide is chocolate and beautiful blondes.

            Reply#7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:28 AM EST
            davefromdanapointca

            Lets not forget that some of the first ss units into Russia during operation Barbarosa were Swedish Volunteers and that sweden supplied germany with many machined parts after the german factories were bombed.

              #7.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:26 AM EST
              Margaret-563035

              Well, it was either "provide" or die. Which would YOU rather do? I would say that if the United States was invaded whether we were neutral or not, a lot of people would rather help the offending army than to die in their tracks.

              • 1 vote
              #7.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:14 PM EST
              Doctor Larry

              I certainly hope you are wrong about your last statement. I, for one, would not capitulate. I am afraid that, as a nation, we have become soft and apathetic about important issues.

              • 1 vote
              #7.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:10 PM EST
              davefromdanapointca

              Marg, with the type of thinking that you demonstrate, it is akin to rolling over when told to. Thank god you were not in charge back then or we would all be speaking german today. Also the swedes had a formidable army back then and the allies would have backed them. And no it was not provide or die. They actively sought the contracts with nazi germany and since the germans didn't have to many friends and new if they tried to rebuild a factory it would only get bombed again it was a win win situation for them. A bit of advice for you marge. Jump in your pos saab and drive over to the library and do a little research before you try and act like some sort of smarny know it all. Better yet contact a swedish gov office and ask them about their role in ww2 and see how quickly they dodge your question before they hang up on you. They don't like to admit it.

                #7.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:00 PM EST
                davefromdanapointca

                Also, My post are not meant to just dump on the Swedes. Many Swedes secretly worked with the allies in suppling us with info of shipments of war supplies leaving Sweden for Germany. The allies never really took action too much on those shipments as the Swedes stuck those shipments on ferries loaded with civilians that crossed the baltic sea and attacking them would cause many civilian deaths thus causing sweden to maybe declaring war against the allies and taking a stronger side with the axis powers. But truth be told the allies tried to get the swedes on board and they refused. We even offered them war supplies such as fighter aircraft, B-25 bombers, tanks and military vehicles but they still refused so we sent those to russia after the german invasion of operation babarosa. Marge, one of the founding fathers of this country once said something to the tune of :

                "Those who would give up their freedom for peace deserve neither freedom or peace".

                It is as true today as it was 230+ years ago.

                  #7.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:42 PM EST
                  Olsson

                  The ss was having people from a lot of countrys , they was having a english divission, with people from the USA and England in them.people from all over Europe was in SS .

                  Only becouse people from the USA was in SS you cant say USA was supporting Hitler .

                  In the USA the congress was doing it hard for the President to be able to support England .

                    #7.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:39 PM EST
                    KWO

                    Dave,

                    "Marg" does not roll for anyone or anything. That much I can assure you. You may think you know everything but the fact of the matter is that you just read the books. Until you get out of the USA you never get the uncensored version of history. I live in Sweden and prehaps we should discuss why it took the USA so long to respond after Sweden got the message across the Atlantic. "Marg" was correct-USA was protecting own interests-much like Sweden did and still does. We probably wouldn't have ever responded if it were not for Pearl Harbor. She is correct. Sweden is not neutral but they do abide by the laws of being neutral at the same time they and many other European countries share the obtained information with the US and England. Don't even get me started on the fact that Sweden manufactures tons of weapons. That isn't very neutral. I can also assure you that I saw American tanks coming through the Swedish railroad during the beginning of the Iraq war.

                      #7.7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:50 PM EST
                      Olsson

                      England and France have many chances to stop Hitler , Hitler was putting troops in the Rhen area ( a vialation of the agremant after WW1 )The English leader Chamberlain come back from a meating with Hitler and was having a paper in his hand - peace in our time - and a few days after that Hitler got Tjeckoslovakia and England and FRance dident do anything . After that we all now what happen.....A lot of countrys and leaders was having many chances to stop Hitler before it wnt to be a WW2.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.8 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:21 PM EST
                      Olsson

                      Its a fact that 1939 whne WW2 was starting no country was offering Sweden any arms,planes or ships .

                      Sweden had to construct and build their own planes ( SAAB ) and that was the biggining of the weapon industri here in Sweden .

                      At the time of 1943 when the allied was starting to offer stuff to Sweden they already have built up there Air force and Navy .

                      In fact Sweden let the USA and England build the BOFORS gun ( A automatic gun mostly on navy ships.) on licens under the war , a very succesful gun in the pacific .

                      At the start of the WW2 Sweden had one of the biggest fleet of cargo ships in the world . All of the ships went to harbors in the USA and England and become to be a big part of the convoys of ships that save the brittish in the biggining of the world .Over 10.000 Swedish sailors died in the war . A few hundreds of them died in Japanese prison camps in the Philippines.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.9 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:37 PM EST
                      davefromdanapointca

                      Olsson, it is obvious you have been raised in a state of denial and the swedish school system history courses have been skewered by the history revisionist of your country. You and your goverment are in denial of factual history.

                        #7.10 - Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:12 AM EST
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                        logdump

                        Bill Ohole was wrong as usual. However, what else is new from him, it is expected. The man gives morons a bad name.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#8 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:43 AM EST
                        Doctor Larry

                        logdump - you now have a bad name. ;)

                        And your history major, Ms Alba, thought O'Reilly is a "news anchor". Well duh, of course he is NOT. Pinhead.

                        This is pretty pathetic when MSNBC stoops to this level for a "story".

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:48 PM EST
                        Aden-795329

                        It's at the bottom of the page under the section clearly marked "Entertainment". If you don't like it, don't click on it and read it. You weren't tricked into it by a headline saying "Really important information about the economy."

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:29 PM EST
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                        B245

                        No, as usual, the celeb was wrong. Check on how much steel Sweden sold Germany during the war. Neutral means not supporting in any way. Bill was indeed correct. Swedes do not like this fact known. Just like they don't want to admit they supplied eavesdropping trawlers during the cold war in which they were 'neutral'.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#9 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:51 AM EST
                        Janeinthisworld

                        And the US was neutral too, but we still participated in the "Cash & Carry" system.

                        Alba was not wrong. Just because she's an actress doesn't mean she doesn't have an education. O'Reilly is the pinhead. He's the one who makes asinine statements that are only half true.

                        • 2 votes
                        #9.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:07 AM EST
                        Foots

                        I strongly suspect that all of you who are calling O'Reilly a pinhead do not regularly (if ever) watch his show. He is one of the better informed and fair commentators on T.V. To suggest that Ms. Alba has anything on Mr. O'Reilly is to be porrly informed.

                        • 1 vote
                        #9.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:32 PM EST
                        Cyn-525813

                        Watched it. All I saw and heard was o'reilly yelling questions and accusations without any intelligence and never allowed anyone to answer his inane and deliberately antagonistic 'questions'. I mean, this guy is just odd.

                          #9.3 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:20 AM EST
                          manawar

                          Yeah I bet you watch O'Reilly all the time huh?

                          • 1 vote
                          #9.4 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:06 AM EST
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                          WmRAllen

                          Alba was technically correct-- Sweden's official policy was one of neutrality, though realpolitik considerations concerning the Baltic States balance of power led to their granting concessions to Nazi Germany early in the war, and increasing support for the Allied cuase after 1943, when it became clear that Germany was on the defensive and likely to loose the greater conflict.

                          Politically, this sort of self-interested policymaking is nothing new-- the US, for all our rhetoric about freedom and democracy, supported repressive and dictatorial regimes throughout the Cold War, simply because they advocated anti-communism.

                          I think it was amusing that the "be neutral" comment came when she decided to try to turn the tables on the Fox reporter, by beginning to interview him... then challenging him to work against his own biases. Maybe this was actually a dig against the type of partisan journalism that has become so very prevalent?

                          In the end, wouldn' t the better question in this case be: is O'Reilly in fact kind of an a-hole, or not?

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#10 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:31 AM EST
                          poppinmary

                          Good point. Billo is a horse behind and much more. He and Karl Rove taught Bush how to spin and spin well.

                            #10.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:31 AM EST
                            Janeinthisworld

                            WmRAllen, I like your question much better! Is Bill O'Reilly, in fact, kind of an a-hole? Let's debate that instead!

                            I say absolutely!

                              #10.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:10 AM EST
                              Richard Schloss

                              Bill O'Reilly is not "kind of an a-hole." He is VERY MUCH an a-hole! He is also a bully who verbally attacks and shouts down people who disagree with him. His is neither a news reporter nor a journalist; he is just a blow-hard.

                                #10.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:03 PM EST
                                Margaret-563035

                                Yes, Bill O'Reilly is the biggest jack---I have ever seen, and I do not watch him at all. I saw him one time, and that was enough for me. He has something misplaced either on top or farther down.

                                • 1 vote
                                #10.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:17 PM EST
                                Doctor Larry

                                I love all these comments about O'Reilly being an a'hole and the like. Particularly Margaret's where she said she watched him ONE time!

                                Good job, Margaret.

                                Based on this ONE post by you, I declare you a BIGGER moron than O'Reilly.

                                Soooo, do all you other haters watch him all the time?

                                • 2 votes
                                #10.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:51 PM EST
                                Olsson

                                The Swedish army at the time of the war was a joke.

                                3 tanks , the airforce was around ten planes that was modern , they was in panic trying to by some Italian Bompplane .

                                The nave was very smal , they got to buy 3 navy ship that the english was keeping most of the war and the army had people but not rifels for everybody . Around 1943 Sweden had something you could call defense forces so it was taking 3 - 4 yeras to buil up . Sweden did the same thing like USA did in the 1930 - to cut down on their armed forces after the WW1 .

                                  #10.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:16 PM EST
                                  KWO

                                  Doctor Larry- I declare you the biggest @sshole. You win! Yes good for you-now go get yourself a cookie. You are the smartest and the best and you know everything. Give yourself a pat on the back. What a Jackass you really are. Get a life!

                                    #10.7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:07 PM EST
                                    Olsson

                                    They are making fun of O`Reilly here in Sweden , The comedy shows have a great time with him .

                                    They call FOX the BBC for the trailer park people .

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #10.8 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:13 PM EST
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                                    Early Quit

                                    Fox news and Bill O are so slanted in their version of whats news that it used to irritate me,now I watch it for a few laughs. CNN & BBC are more reliable.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#11 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:42 AM EST
                                    poppinmary

                                    Fox is very slanted, I watch CNN, & MSNBC, CBS and sometimes I watch the BBC. They're good.

                                      #11.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:32 AM EST
                                      Hank in Maine

                                      Fox is slanted right and everyone you folks watch is slanted left. Andrea Mitchell is just as bad as Bill but she's not as up front about it.

                                        #11.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:09 AM EST
                                        Margaret-563035

                                        Let someone invade the United States and see how many of you people become neutral, then talk about other countries not being neutral. You sicken me talking about other countries "aiding" the German Army. They were FORCED to do it. I lived with a family in Holland and the wife had to hide her husband under the floor to keep the Germans from forcing him to participate in their Army, and she had to carry meat under her coat to her mother and pretend to be pregnant, or the Germans would have taken it away from her. Furthermore, my son-in-law is Swedish, and the details there were the same as in Holland. In Belgium, there were bodies floating in ponds as children walked to school. How would this make you feel if it had been us? How would we have reacted?

                                        Fox is slanted all right, and Bill O'Reilly is a big-mouthed a-hole! He needs to retire. He is missing something in the upper or lower part of his body...I cannot decide which it is.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #11.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:36 PM EST
                                        Doctor Larry

                                        Read above Margaret. Your opinion is now been declared totally worthless.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #11.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:52 PM EST
                                        Tom-495906

                                        Doctor Larry, you are an ignorant rightwing buffoon and if you ARE a doctor, please tell us where, so we can warn your patients, because you most obviously get your 'diploma' from some Carribean diploma mill.

                                        Sweden did far more for the Allies and the Jews than the Swiss ever did. Sweden trained, supported AND based Norwegian and Danish resistance fighters, allowed the Allies to set up listening posts, actively gathered intelligence for the Allies in Occupied Europe, handed out passports to Jews and even gave us a V-2 rocket that landed in Sweden.

                                        If you CAN read, why don't you try it sometime and find out what Sweden REALLY did during WWII.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #11.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:23 PM EST
                                        KWO

                                        Doctor Larry, You are the only worthless thing in this chat room.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #11.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:14 PM EST
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                                        Darek-795822

                                        We all know what happened. She meant to say Switzerland, O'Reilly called her on it, she went back and googled it as a longshot, but lo and behold, Sweden was officially neutral, "Oh thank God! What a close call. Now I can claim that I meant to say Sweden." O'Reilly should have doublechecked Sweden's neutrality before calling her stupid, though. Points off for him too.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#12 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:59 AM EST
                                        BAD1V

                                        Maybe you should teach Bill how to use google, before he opens his mouth and inserts his foot.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #12.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:14 AM EST
                                        Doctor Larry

                                        Maybe Alba (probably her minion) should have spent 21 seconds to find out that Bill is NOT a "news anchor" as she called him.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #12.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:55 PM EST
                                        Aden-795329

                                        Because "news" would imply having facts.

                                          #12.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:31 PM EST
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                                          carole-313805

                                          O'Reilly many times only succeeds in appearing to be smarter than those he debates with because he NEVER LETS THEM ANSWER A QUESTION! He constantly interrupts them when they try to answer, and he acts so superior and smug. It drives me nuts bc I WANT TO HEAR THE ANSWERS to his questions, but if the other person is about to give a GOOD answer, he cuts them off.

                                          It's a very effective technique that makes him seem to have the upper hand even when he doesn't. He's a smart man, though misquided many times, but he's not an honest debater.

                                            Reply#13 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:05 AM EST
                                            Jesus-214154

                                            When is everyone going to realize that billo is a moron and a liar?

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#14 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:13 AM EST
                                            James Collier

                                            Whether or not you like his style and personality, clearly the facts support O'Reilly that Sweden did not act as a neutral country in the first half of WWII. Stating that you are neutral without a narrow definition of what it means does make you neutral. There were a lot of strategies deployed to try to survive the Nazi machine - Chamberlain agreeing to let Hitler walk over Czechoslovakia, a divided France with the Vichy and constitutional governments co-existing, split support such as in Norway where Quisling led the Nazi supporters while the royal family took refuge in London. By the way, I just moved back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe. Who is Jessica Alba?

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#15 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:41 AM EST
                                            Ranman87

                                            Neither did the United States.  We were participating in anti-submarine warfare well before the attack on Pearl Harbor.

                                            See:  U.S.S. Kearney, U.S.S. Greer, U.S.S. Reuben James, etc.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #15.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:28 AM EST
                                            Tom-495906

                                            And neither did Switzerland, which allowed the transit of ENTIRE GERMAN ARMIES between Germany and Italy thru their rail tunnels. Plus, Switzerland allowed an active trade in strategic materials and equipment throughout the war, at a tidy profit.

                                              #15.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:26 PM EST
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                                              Kris from Vermont

                                              poppinmary - "Fox is very slanted"? That may be THE understatement of the year. Jessica should not take anything BO says personally - he thinks of himself as a genius and everyone who does not agree, a moron. But I am glad that she called him on it - he is a fool who has the personality of paint. See Bill, I can call people names too!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#16 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:58 AM EST
                                              smp65

                                              We all know she meant Switzerland...and just got lucky on a technacality. Pleeease, as if she is knowledgable on anything other than keeping her meager celebrity status alive. What a waste of earth space.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#17 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:00 AM EST
                                              Janeinthisworld

                                              Alba was not wrong. Not technically, not historically. Sweden was indeed politcally neutral. Did they aid the Nazi's in some ways? Perhaps, but they also aided the Allies as well.

                                              The US was also neutral for a time at the beginning of WWII. However, during that time they participated in the cash and carry program, which was formed to help the British and the other allies by providing materials for the war. Was that neutral? Depends on how you look at it. Technically, yes, it was, but in principle it was not.

                                                Reply#18 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:16 AM EST
                                                hugh-269915

                                                You can't "school" anybody who is not open to receive correction.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#19 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:16 AM EST
                                                Senora-843070

                                                History point for Alba? Courtney Hazlett should know the point of the altercation is not that Sweden was neutral, or put in the neutral column most of the time, but that Alba is dumb enough not to know the saying or popular reference. I think she mixed up Sweden and Switzerland. She might as well have said "Be Argentine about it..."

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#20 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:21 AM EST
                                                BillyRayValentine

                                                Yes. The stupid...it hurts!

                                                  #20.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:06 PM EST
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                                                  Randy207

                                                  What's Wrong With Hazlett's Column Today (The Boy am I late to this discussion edition):

                                                  1. Alba: While I understand anyone getting upset with Billo, why dignify his comments? With our new President, the country has moved on. I have a friend (judge) who was pounded on night after night by Billo. She was proud of that. She felt like she had made Nixon's enemies list! Screw Billo. And screw Faux News - the new Fear Imbalanced Network (thanks Jon Stewart).

                                                  2. Simpson. This white-trash, pound-packing celebutard flogged for Pizza Hut. What do you expect? She's auditioning for a new KFC commercial. Maybe Homo Romo likes 'em chunky, eh?

                                                  3. Anniston/Mayer: WHO CARES!!! WE DON'T. STOP. We cared while she was complaining about paparazzi ruining her life - that is until she appeared nude on GQ, or Men's Quarterly, or Lesbian Lovers - whatever magazine where she appeared nude. NOW WE DON'T CARE. STOP!

                                                  Hazlett - you get a B- for this - why? Because you tried to foster discussion about history and news!

                                                  BRING ME THE HEAD OF BILL O'REILLY FOR BEING A BLOWHARD

                                                  I could EAT pen and paper and PUKE a better column.

                                                  Randy from Maine.

                                                    Reply#21 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:32 AM EST
                                                    BillyRayValentine

                                                    Jesus, what stupidity. Nobody EVER uses the metaphor "I'm gonna be Sweden on this one" to convey neutrality. The fact that one can find an instance in Swedish history when they were technically neutral doesn't validate it. She clearly confused Sweden with Switzerland, a commonly used, accepted symbol of neutrality. An error she now compounds by grasping at straws in a ludicrous attempt to defend her ignorance.

                                                    And there's also this. Sweden, while "technically" neutral in WWII, provided the Nazi's with roughly half the iron ore necessary to supply their war machine. They avoided invasion by the Nazi's by offering them transit throughout their lands, and by bringing the bulk of their industries to bear in service of Nazi demand. Put another way, without Sweden's spineless acquiescence Hitler would have had less than half the weaponry - tanks, planes, ships, guns, bullets, the whole nine yards - to unleash upon the Allies.

                                                    To the fool who wrote this column, consider what that represents in human lives, then tell us some more about Sweden as an embodiment of neutrality.

                                                    Alba is a horse's butt. Just go on smiling and looking hot and keep your ignorant yap shut, sweetie. OK?

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#22 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:02 PM EST
                                                    sleepy bear

                                                    Billo...is that you?

                                                      #22.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:03 PM EST
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                                                      chris-335678

                                                      Sweden wasn't exactly neutral. Allowing a belligerent power to cross your country to attack another isn't "neutral" under the express definition of the term. Neither is selling war resources to a belligerent.

                                                      Jessica got lucky on this one, without a doubt she meant to say Switzerland.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      Reply#23 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:12 PM EST
                                                      Tom-495906

                                                      Switzerland was even less neutral, and MORE pro-German and pro-Italian. Try reading some history before demonstrating you ignorance.

                                                        #23.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:28 PM EST
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                                                        rick9219

                                                        No history points for Alba or and a negative point for Hazlett. I normal contemporary conversation Sweden is not associated with neutrality - while Switzerland is. Alba could have just said that she meant to say Switzerland, and that would have been it. Spare me all the tripe!

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#24 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:28 PM EST
                                                        Margaret-563035

                                                        Rick..."all this hype" is not about Alba...it is about those countries being FORCED to aid Germany because they did not want to lose their lives. Can ANY of you say that you would not do the same in such a situation? Sweden IS associated with neutrality. My son-in-law is Swedish.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #24.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:58 PM EST
                                                        BillyRayValentine

                                                        Margaret, well no crap the Swedes try to portray themselves as neutral! THEY SUPPLIED HALF THE IRON ORE THAT FED THE NAZI WAR MACHINE. Does it surprise you that they'd rather just assert their neutrality and move on? Given that they were FAR AND AWAY the largest and most critical among Nazi collaborator

                                                        Try learning your history from reputable, objective historians rather than your Swedish in-law.

                                                        Geesh what idiocy.

                                                        In a nutshell: The Swedes spared themselves by bowing to the Nazis under a false pretense of neutrality. And the rest of humanity suffered greatly for it.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #24.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:14 PM EST
                                                        Michael 9914299

                                                        * NOBODY, NOBODY, and NOBODY can possibly believe that Alba knew Sweden had a 'policy' of neutrality when she said it - she was trying to access 'Switzerland' in her mind, but the teeny tiny gerbils powering her brain couldn't spit it up, and she said the next Eurpean 'S' country that came to mind. She is just another Celebutard spewing witless propoganda. You can debate the technical level of neutrality of Sweden during WWII - and I understand that country was easily overpowered and had limited ability to chose otherwise (very unlike the Swiss, who could have had an impact), but in reality the Swedes behaved in ways at least favorable to the Nazis through providing supplies, SS volunteers, etc. What REALLY cannot be debated, however, is what Alba's little coddled pea-brain knew, and that is the spirit of what O'Reilly was making fun of.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #24.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:54 PM EST
                                                        KWO

                                                        Billy Ray Jimbo- You are obviously a product of American programming. Now go wave a flag and talk about how free we are. Your history is tainted too, jackass. Betsy Ross didn't even make that first flag. Oh, but you knew that because you spend so much time at the museum of history. Fox is not even news.

                                                          #24.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:24 PM EST
                                                          Olsson

                                                          Yes Sweden was selling a lot of minerals and Iron to Germany under the war but it is some intresting facts with that . For every year the war was going on the export went down.By the end of 1943 the export was only 25 % of what it was 1939 .Mybe it was the bombing of the German Industri that was making the export to go down?

                                                          To have a well working war machine you need to have oil , fuel for tanks and planes and that what Hitler was losing around 1942 and was the biggining of the end for him .

                                                          To read History and learning the facts are intresting , when you come to a person like Hitler and a movement like the Nazi I think you can blame every country . The first thing to blame is the peace agrement after the WW1 that was putting very hard reality to the German people , to add to the depresion on that you have the fuel for a movements like the Nazi , Inflation and many people without a jobb are great fuel for sombody like Hitler .

                                                          Where did he get the idea about race ? Mostly from USA and Sweden , two countrys that did big stydies in that area. And what about the Jews ? did anyone like them in europe or in the USA before the 1930 ? I think many countrys have black spots on their history about that.

                                                          England and France was ignoring the fact that Hitler was building up the German army,Navy and airforce . The russian was helping him develope tanks and learning the pilots to fly .

                                                          England and France let Hitler writte a agrement with Stalin about to split Poland and that after they let him to take back the Rhen area and Tjeckoslovakia.They just let this countrys to be left to their bad luck

                                                          When the war was starting the USA was trying the best to be out of the war and it was only after Pearl Harbor they went in and it was Hitler that declare war with the USA.Now it was good that the USA had a president at that time that did a great work to support the brittish . its becouse of him the free world was winning against the axel of evil.

                                                          If we go back in History to around 1936 and Hitler was growing strong in Germany many people around the world was impressed with him , that a leader could solve a countrys problem that great . Sweden and the USA had fast growing support for the Nazis ( many other countrys to ) . USA had a Nazi party that was starting to be pretty big , people was poor and dident have jobbs and they was easy targets for a movements like the nazis.

                                                          Now the History went pretty good , we are not speaking german in Sweden and not Russian .

                                                          Here in Sweden we are happy for the things USA did in the war to make Europe free and the work they did under the cold war .

                                                          One thing History can learn its the fact that we all are guilty for whats going on , bad things and good things .

                                                            #24.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:27 PM EST
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                                                            Doctor Larry

                                                            Thanks MSNBC for bringing this most important bit of news to our attention. It is about as important as the other "news" you present.

                                                            How are your ratings during the Bill O'Reilly show, huh? Or, as a matter of fact, at any time during the day?

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#25 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:04 PM EST
                                                            ELSNC

                                                            Thanks Dr. Larry. Agreed 100 percent. About all of the posts here that say FOX is slanted, no they report the facts, not the picture the liberal media paints for the public to see on CNN, MSNBC, etc. I enjoy Mr. O'Reilly's evening broadcast. Ms. Alba is a pinhead and a bimbo.

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                                                            #25.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:41 PM EST
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