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Postmaster General: Mail days may need to be cut

Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:59 PM EST
politics, business, office, meltdown, post-office, john-potter
Randolph E. Schmid, AP Science Writer
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<p>In this Sept. 18, 2003, photo, Virginia Beach postman Paul Martin delivers maill in Virginia Beach, Va. Massive deficits facing the post office could force the agency to cut out one day of mail delivery per week. Postmaster General John E. Potter asked Congress on Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2009, to lift the requirement that the agency deliver mail six days a week.(AP Photo/Steve Helber)</p>

In this Sept. 18, 2003, photo, Virginia Beach postman Paul Martin delivers maill in Virginia Beach, Va. Massive deficits facing the post office could force the agency to cut out one day of mail delivery per week. Postmaster General John E. Potter asked Congress on Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2009, to lift the requirement that the agency deliver mail six days a week.(AP Photo/Steve Helber)

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WASHINGTON — Massive deficits could force the post office to cut out one day of mail delivery, the postmaster general told Congress on Wednesday, in asking lawmakers to lift the requirement that the agency deliver mail six days a week. If the change happens, that doesn't necessarily mean an end to Saturday mail delivery. Previous post office studies have looked at the possibility of skipping some other day when mail flow is light, such as Tuesday.

Faced with dwindling mail volume and rising costs, the post office was $2.8 billion in the red last year. "If current trends continue, we could experience a net loss of $6 billion or more this fiscal year," Postmaster General John E. Potter said in testimony for a Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs subcommittee.

Total mail volume was 202 billion items last year, over 9 billion less than the year before, the largest single volume drop in history.

And, despite annual rate increases, Potter said 2009 could be the first year since 1946 that the actual amount of money collected by the post office declines.

"It is possible that the cost of six-day delivery may simply prove to be unaffordable," Potter said. "I reluctantly request that Congress remove the annual appropriation bill rider, first added in 1983, that requires the Postal Service to deliver mail six days each week."

"The ability to suspend delivery on the lightest delivery days, for example, could save dollars in both our delivery and our processing and distribution networks. I do not make this request lightly, but I am forced to consider every option given the severity of our challenge," Potter said.

That doesn't mean it would happen right away, he noted, adding that the agency is working to cut costs and any final decision on changing delivery would have to be made by the postal governing board.

If it did become necessary to go to five-day delivery, Potter said, "we would do this by suspending delivery on the lightest volume days."

The Postal Service raised the issue of cutting back on days of service last fall in a study it issued. At that time the agency said the six-day rule should be eliminated, giving the post office, "the flexibility to meet future needs for delivery frequency.

A study done by George Mason University last year for the independent Postal Regulatory Commission estimated that going from six-day to five-day delivery would save the post office more than $1.9 billion annually, while a Postal Service study estimated the saving at $3.5 billion.

The next postal rate increase is scheduled for May, with the amount to be announced next month. Under current rules that would be limited to the amount of the increase in last year's consumer price index, 3.8 percent. That would round to a 2-cent increase in the current 42-cent first class rate.

The agency could request a larger increase because of the special circumstances, but Potter believes that would be counterproductive by causing mail volume to fall even more.

Dan G. Blair, chairman of the Postal Regulatory Commission, noted in his testimony that cutting service could also carry the risk of loss of mail volume. He suggested Congress review both delivery and restrictions it imposed on the closing of small and rural post offices.

The post office's problem is twofold, Potter explained.

"A revolution in the way people communicate has structurally changed the way America uses the mail," with a shift from first-class letters to the Internet for personal communications, billings, payments, statements and business correspondence.

To some extent that was made up for my growth in standard mail — largely advertising — but the economic meltdown has resulted in a drop there also.

Potter also asked that Congress ease the requirement that it make advance payments into a fund to cover future health benefits for retirees. Last year the post office was required to put $5.6 billion into the fund.

"We are in uncharted waters," Potter said. "But we do know that mail volume and revenue — and with them the health of the mail system — are dependent on the length and depth of the current economic recession."

He proposed easing the retirement pre-funding for eight years, while promising that the agency will cover the premiums for retirement health insurance.

At the same hearing the General Accounting Office agreed that the post office is facing an urgent need for help to preserve its financial strength. But the GAO suggested easing the pre-funding requirement for only two years, with Congress to determine the need for more relief later.

Potter noted that the agency has cut costs by $1 billion per year since 2002, reduced its work force by 120,000, halted construction of new facilities except in emergencies, frozen executive salaries and is in the process of reducing its headquarters work force by 15 percent.

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{"commentId":5045108,"authorDomain":"sha-1"}
SH-2000

So we get 1 more day to pay that bill?

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  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:26 PM EST
{"commentId":5045704,"authorDomain":"quiteshy2004"}
LM-601014

WOW no junk mail :)

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  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:56 PM EST
{"commentId":5046370,"authorDomain":"cweber12"}
phxdude-844126

Uh, SH-200, hate to break this to you, but in the new millennium, there are other ways to pay bills and exchange/transfer money. Online bill pay that allow you to “push” the payment to any address in as little as 1 day. Look into it.

Bill payment is NO reason to retain 6 day/wk mail service. The US postal service is extremely bloated, and should only deliver mail 3x per week max. in this modern era.

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    #1.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:28 PM EST
    {"commentId":5046461,"authorDomain":"cweber12"}
    phxdude-844126

    Uh, SH-200, hate to break this to you, but in the new millennium, there are other ways to pay bills and exchange/transfer money. Online bill pay allows you to “push” the payment to any address in as little as 1 day.

    Bill payment is NO reason to retain 6 day/wk mail service. The US postal service is extremely bloated, and should only deliver mail 3x per week max in this modern era.

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    • 5 votes
    #1.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:32 PM EST
    {"commentId":5048136,"authorDomain":"dkidd"}
    elpasocherokee

    If the post office would quit their bulk mail rate and charge the senders of junk mail what the charge you and I, they should have a huge surplus. Either that or the landfills and recycle centers would have a lot less to process.

    {"commentId":5048136,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"dkidd"}
    • 11 votes
    #1.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:02 PM EST
    {"commentId":5048349,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}
    Lkessler

    Wow, imagine, I either get less junk mail, or it gets to my house later...

    Thanks, but no thanks. Mail is already at .42, and about to inch higher--and I'm still going to pay for sending a bill? Nah, I pay online, thanks for nothin'!

    {"commentId":5048349,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"lkessler41"}
    • 2 votes
    #1.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:16 PM EST
    {"commentId":5048752,"authorDomain":"thelopes"}
    thelopes

    Remove bulk mail rates and the direct mail business dies altogether. You'd see that 202 billion pieces DRASTICALLY cut, and the post office would be in an even bigger hole.

    {"commentId":5048752,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"thelopes"}
    • 3 votes
    #1.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:40 PM EST
    {"commentId":5049653,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
    JoulesBeef

    not much reasons for checks anymore either.

    {"commentId":5049653,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:36 PM EST
    {"commentId":5049704,"authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}
    Paul-534930

    As I enter the garage from the mailbox all the junk mail get directly deposited into the burnable trash used to start the woodburner, please don`t stop junk mail! I might have to spend money on kindling.

    {"commentId":5049704,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}
    • 3 votes
    #1.8 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:40 PM EST
    {"commentId":5050078,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}
    Lkessler

    Joules: I can't remember the last time I wrote a check. It's been that long!

    Paul: That's a good point--I should give the junk mail to my hubby for his woodburning stove in the garage.

    {"commentId":5050078,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"lkessler41"}
      #1.9 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:01 PM EST
      {"commentId":5050775,"authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}
      Paul-534930

      Lkessler, really no problems with the US mail, it`s still a bargain! Years ago I used to buy and sell fishing reels on ebay, always had them shipped by the post office, good delivery time, except to Canada where they had to pass thru customs. And much cheaper than UPS or FedX.

      {"commentId":5050775,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}
        #1.10 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:42 PM EST
        {"commentId":5051192,"authorDomain":"kalenajoy"}
        Kori

        WOW no junk mail :)

        Don't I wish! But not true. If the Post Office were to eliminate junk mail, there would be a remarkable improvement in our mailbox deliveries for both the recipient and the deliverer! Think of the savings in trees, equipment, fuel and manpower resources. With the exception of time delayed delivery, junk mail is handled the same a first class mail and is a waste of time and money because a great majority of it ends up in the trash. It's total annihilation from the planet wouldn't bother me a bit.

        Personally, reducing delivery by one day wouldn't have a big impact. Online bill pay is wonderful!

        {"commentId":5051192,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"kalenajoy"}
        • 3 votes
        #1.11 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:08 PM EST
        {"commentId":5051627,"authorDomain":"dkaz"}
        dkaz

        But....but.....what about my Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes? Will that affect it?

        {"commentId":5051627,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"dkaz"}
        • 2 votes
        #1.12 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:34 PM EST
        {"commentId":5052034,"authorDomain":"dkidd"}
        elpasocherokee

        Sign up online! It's what I do.

        {"commentId":5052034,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"dkidd"}
        • 1 vote
        #1.13 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:58 PM EST
        {"commentId":5052283,"authorDomain":"dkaz"}
        dkaz

        elpa,

        I tried that once when it was announced that stamps were going up. The crap I had to go through was unbelieveable. Page after page of questions and magazine sign ups. I finally gave up and got out. I don't play anymore.

        {"commentId":5052283,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"dkaz"}
        • 2 votes
        #1.14 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:14 PM EST
        {"commentId":5052874,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
        headinthegame

        can you say, third world country?

        {"commentId":5052874,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
        • 1 vote
        #1.15 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:00 PM EST
        {"commentId":5053178,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
        redacted-

        Privatize the Postal Service. Trust me, mail would be a heck of a lot cheaper.

        {"commentId":5053178,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
        • 6 votes
        #1.16 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:30 PM EST
        {"commentId":5053738,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
        headinthegame

        couldn't agree more

        {"commentId":5053738,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
        • 1 vote
        #1.17 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:23 AM EST
        {"commentId":5054825,"authorDomain":"brkfstclblvr"}
        brkfstclblvr

        Remove bulk mail rates and the direct mail business dies altogether. You'd see that 202 billion pieces DRASTICALLY cut, and the post office would be in an even bigger hole.

        Good. I'm so sick of all the crap I get in the mail. I shred 99.9% of it anyway.

        {"commentId":5054825,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"brkfstclblvr"}
        • 4 votes
        #1.18 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:27 AM EST
        {"commentId":5055565,"authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}
        Paul-534930

        Privatize the Postal Service. Trust me, mail would be a heck of a lot cheaper.

        Ya I can`t see it now, a new flood of visa requests for people to enter this country to work for nothing so somebody else can get rich?

        {"commentId":5055565,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}
        • 2 votes
        #1.19 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:33 AM EST
        {"commentId":5055894,"authorDomain":"dkaz"}
        dkaz

        They've tried to privatize jails and it's proving to be a big flop.

        {"commentId":5055894,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"dkaz"}
        • 3 votes
        #1.20 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:17 AM EST
        {"commentId":5057274,"authorDomain":"thelopes"}
        thelopes

        If the Post Office were to eliminate junk mail, there would be a remarkable improvement in our mailbox deliveries for both the recipient and the deliverer! Think of the savings in trees, equipment, fuel and manpower resources.

        It would save energy, time, fuel, equipment, paper, ink...

        It would also require the Postal Service to layoff people, hurt the printing industry and everything else connected (envelope industry, direct mail groups, paper industry in general). It would increase the Budget Gap as the 202 Billion pieces of mail becomes half of that? Less? Would it be able to support itself at even 3 days a week? Could postal workers support themselves at those levels?

        And this is ignoring the question... If a company has addresses, mailpieces, and the money to mail an item, why should the postal service deny them? A coupon company approaches the post office the same way a company does when it goes to mail your W-2 tax forms each January, or paychecks, or bills.

        {"commentId":5057274,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"thelopes"}
        • 1 vote
        #1.21 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:58 AM EST
        {"commentId":5058579,"authorDomain":"JKiff"}
        JKiff

        I fully support the decision to drop saturday postal delivery. With today's pervasive tech of e-mail and cell-phones etc, there's no problem staying in contact with anyone. And we'll save millions of gallons of gas.

        But this reminds me... Whatever happend to the so-called "paperless society" that we were promised in the early 90's ? I get more mail now than ever. I pay a bill on-line to cut down on paper and they mail me a paper "payment confirmation statement."

        Enough! The post office needs to implement a "no-junkmail" list, like the no-call list for telemarketers. That'd cut out 1/3 of the mail I get, at least. Plus it'd save gas, and trees, and time (labor costs). If such a thing already exists please let me know.

        {"commentId":5058579,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"JKiff"}
        • 2 votes
        #1.22 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:03 AM EST
        {"commentId":5059149,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
        Division by Zero

        There actually is a national do-not-mail list. It has been around for decades. You can reach them online here. It's managed by the direct mail marketing association. I first became aware of it in the early 1990's but I think it has been in existence since the 1970's.

        {"commentId":5059149,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
        • 1 vote
        #1.23 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:29 AM EST
        {"commentId":5060069,"authorDomain":"jdl-28"}
        jdl-28

        Yes it could cost some jobs, but if you have ever been in the back room of a post office you will find a lot of people just standing around doing nothing this is costing you and I for a service that could be done for less if everyone did their job. If you are waiting in line to mail something there can be twenty people waiting and when a person break come up they just close the window and that life, so there service is not that good.

        They could cut cost by stop bring us junk mail and maybe save some tree's, gas and time. Their over head is just to high, and if a stamp machine does not work it might not get fix for months clean up on how their people work and it will be a big saving in itself.

        Time are changing and we needs to change with it and yes some companies might get hurt by a cut back but that is life, and I would like to see the direct mail group go out of business anyway.

        {"commentId":5060069,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"jdl-28"}
        • 1 vote
        #1.24 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:06 PM EST
        {"commentId":5060172,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
        Division by Zero

        and if a stamp machine does not work it might not get fix for months

        Interesting that you bring up stamp machines. I found out that the problem with the stamp machines is that the 3 companies that made them have all gone out of business and spare parts have become scarce. Nationwide the USPS is cannibalizing and removing stamp dispensing machines. Eventually they will all be gone. You can, however, buy stamps online and at the window in any post office.

        {"commentId":5060172,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
        • 2 votes
        #1.25 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:11 PM EST
        {"commentId":5071627,"authorDomain":"kalenajoy"}
        Kori

        We always purchase our stamps from the grocery store checkout. I'm not sure how common that is. Thanks Div by Zero, for the Do Not Mail link at 1.22. Between me, husband, deceased mother, mother-in-law ... it's going to get a good workout tonight!

        {"commentId":5071627,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"kalenajoy"}
        • 2 votes
        #1.26 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:19 PM EST
        Reply
        {"commentId":5046062,"authorDomain":"magsbyt"}
        magsby47

        LM - agree with you. Fewer trips to the mailbox to retrieve junk mail.

        I think Monday-Wednesday-Friday would be sufficient for residential mail. Maybe deliver to businesses everyday, or make them pick up their mail. When I lived overseas in Colombia, there was no mail delivery - everyone, residential and business customers, picked up their mail at the post office. We don't need Saturday delivery at all.

        I use e-mail for all my utilities, phone, and pay my insurance on line, so I get very little important business by snail mail anyway.

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:13 PM EST
        {"commentId":5046143,"authorDomain":"quiteshy2004"}
        LM-601014

        I like the 3X a week idea.

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        • 6 votes
        #2.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:18 PM EST
        {"commentId":5046396,"authorDomain":"arayhans"}
        Thinker-316614

        Three days a week would be great if they cut the cost in one third and reduced the junk mail by banning it so mail was "real mail (bills letters but not junk/bulk advertising).

        {"commentId":5046396,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"arayhans"}
        • 2 votes
        #2.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:30 PM EST
        {"commentId":5046602,"authorDomain":"lgschrei"}
        Kris-471083

        I don't pick up my mail any more often than 3 days a week as it is. If they'd get rid of Junk Mail Tuesday, I'd pick it up only twice a week.

        {"commentId":5046602,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"lgschrei"}
        • 1 vote
        #2.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:40 PM EST
        {"commentId":5047107,"authorDomain":"josh-of-arc"}
        Josh of Arc

        Skip Wednesday. Nothing good ever shows up in the mail on Wednesdays.

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          #2.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:03 PM EST
          {"commentId":5047149,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
          JoulesBeef

          lol if they got rid of junk mail they would have to cut down to 1.

          lol i'llhave to say though i have signed up at those websites that say no to junk mail and my mailbox is empty on many days.
          this may just be all my fault.

          if you want six day mail.. then demand more junk mail.. sign up for some mags.

          {"commentId":5047149,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
          • 2 votes
          #2.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:05 PM EST
          {"commentId":5055582,"authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}
          Paul-534930

          Just guessing that 4 buck+ a gallon fuel put them in a hole, post office unlike other transportation companies can`t tack on a fuel surchage price increase with out approval from congress?

          If a private company was doing it rates might change weekly? Especially if the CEO needed a new jet?

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          • 1 vote
          #2.6 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:39 AM EST
          {"commentId":5056299,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
          Sally York

          They in fact did semi privatized the post office back in the 70's. It went from the US Postal department to the US Postal Service. This was done with a lot of fan fair and the very next year postage took the biggest jump it had ever had.

          I use to deliver the mail and if they would stop all the junk mail no one wants anyway they would cut down delivery time, sorting time, weight that has to be carried so they wouldn't need as big of trucks.

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          • 1 vote
          #2.7 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:54 AM EST
          Reply
          {"commentId":5046084,"authorDomain":"lunartick"}
          LunarTick

          Hell, on average my mail delivery guy takes an extra day off each week anyways. If it's rainy, no mail. If it's a nice sunny day, no mail.

          {"commentId":5046084,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"lunartick"}
          • 1 vote
          Reply#3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:15 PM EST
          {"commentId":5046697,"authorDomain":"enigmaobscura"}
          enigma

          Newman!

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          • 4 votes
          #3.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:44 PM EST
          {"commentId":5049239,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
          TheJonesGirl

          Newman!

          I have been feeling old...I was relating something to Seinfeld and my coworkers (in their mid 20s) looked at me oddly as they didn't get it. Bah.

          {"commentId":5049239,"threadId":"483897","contentId":"2365067","authorDomain":"geejay"}
          • 3 votes
          #3.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:10 PM EST
          {"commentId":5051830,"authorDomain":"enigmaobscura"}
          enigma

          Kids!! Nothing wrong with aging like a fine wine, you know. ;)

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          • 2 votes
          #3.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:47 PM EST
          {"commentId":5054830,"authorDomain":"brkfstclblvr"}
          brkfstclblvr

          I have been feeling old...I was relating something to Seinfeld and my coworkers (in their mid 20s) looked at me oddly as they didn't get it. Bah.

          I'm in my mid-20s, and it was my favorite show. They're just clueless do-do heads.

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          #3.4 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:29 AM EST
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          {"commentId":5046420,"authorDomain":"honorthy"}
          Whatttt

          I think that they should set all the mailboxes in one area in one place. Here it's about a mile between us and the next mailbox!

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            Reply#4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:31 PM EST
            {"commentId":5050564,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
            Division by Zero

            They've done that in some areas but it never spread across the country. The program began in the 1970's whereby there would be community mailboxes. The thinking was that it would save the mail carrier time and gasoline by only having to go to one spot to drop off all the mail for a particular neighborhood. One of the communities that this project was tried in was about 15 miles from my hometown. Some of the communities that experimented with it back in the 70's still have them in use today.

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            • 1 vote
            #4.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:28 PM EST
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            {"commentId":5046447,"authorDomain":"arayhans"}
            Thinker-316614

            Give us another five years and we will pay all bills online, communicate by e-mail and social sites like Facebook and we can just ship packages using one of the other shippers (Fed-Ex; UPS; etc.) Then the US Postal system can close.

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:32 PM EST
            {"commentId":5048394,"authorDomain":"vresc"}
            Corpus Christi

            Eww, I hope not. In my personal experience, USPS has done a better job delivering packages safely than Fed and brown.

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            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:19 PM EST
            {"commentId":5049076,"authorDomain":"joesmommy"}
            joe'smommy

            Corpus Christi--really? Good to hear you have great USPS workers. Can you mail some good USPS workers to me? My mail always gets lost. I never received my package that my friend sent me from India. *Insert sad face here* I love UPS! I always get my packages super fast and never lost! I so would not mind if USPS only went to three days a week.

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            • 2 votes
            #5.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:59 PM EST
            {"commentId":5052804,"authorDomain":"alliesantacruz"}
            alliesantacruz

            Sounds good to me! the USPS couldn't deliver my mail correctly for a year and a half after I moved and had it forwarded. It costs me a lot as a time sensitive piece of mail that I was suppose to sign and send back in 10 days was never delivered. It cost me my disability and I have had to wait almost 2 yrs for a court date now. I was approved immediately but because the usps couldn't get my mail delivered even after letters I wrote them, talked to the carrier in person several times, going to talk to the post master 6 times. None of this worked. Its been two years and several change of address forms and still can't get my mail delivered to me correctly. So it wouldn't bother me if they just went out of business. I wouldn't notice! UPS and Fed Ex do a much better job. I do everything online now anyway.

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              #5.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:54 PM EST
              {"commentId":5058655,"authorDomain":"sickofthis"}
              Whatever_41

              I ordered something for my daughter last Christmas (Ebay). Kept waiting for the delivery. The seller informed me that the USPS claimed it had been delivered the previous day. It would have been a box, so I was completely confused. Until I got the mail from the mailbox.

              Some brain surgeon at USPS saw that the box had been totally destroyed. Rather than returning it to the sender, they took a box cutter, removed the cardboard section with the shipping label on it, stuck it in a plastic envelope, (or, as I like to call it, a "postal body bag") and jammed it in my mailbox. Then the shipping confirmation said...DELIVERED!

              Uh...I don't consider that DELIVERED, but dead on arrival.

              TRY to get a refund when the delivery confirmation claims it got here...go ahead, I dare ya.

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              • 1 vote
              #5.4 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:07 AM EST
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              {"commentId":5046545,"authorDomain":"trink1213"}
              trink1213

              I wouldn't mind the M-W-F deal either. I don't really mail much and when I do, I can handle a few extra days wait. If I need it there quickly I usually pay for express mail anyway. Does anyone really think this will be a big issue with anyone? Am I missing something?

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                Reply#6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:37 PM EST
                {"commentId":5049249,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
                TheJonesGirl

                The only issue I see is with things like unemployment checks which are mailed and often needed ASAP.

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                  #6.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:11 PM EST
                  {"commentId":5049573,"authorDomain":"socalgal"}
                  Socalgal

                  Wow they still mail those? I would think they would be auto deposit by now.

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                  • 1 vote
                  #6.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:31 PM EST
                  {"commentId":5050236,"authorDomain":"trink1213"}
                  trink1213

                  Good point.....there are A TON of unemployment checks to send out now!

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                  • 1 vote
                  #6.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:09 PM EST
                  {"commentId":5051687,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
                  TheJonesGirl

                  I would think they would be auto deposit by now.

                  Naw, it's a state bureaucracy, of course they aren't in the late 20th century yet :)

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                    #6.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:39 PM EST
                    {"commentId":5058603,"authorDomain":"dtpitt47"}
                    dtp425

                    actually i think umemployment is going to a debit card and auto deposit system. i recently had a friend who recently filed for unemployment, but the way they explained how it worked is that they would give him a debit card and just deposit the money into an account for use with the debit card. much more efficient, as long as the banks and the govt. can keep things straight. i've had problems before with new bank accounts and getting my paycheck direct deposited on time before.

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                      #6.5 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:05 AM EST
                      {"commentId":5072634,"authorDomain":"socalgal"}
                      Socalgal

                      I hope they go Auto deposit as soon as possible. Many people are counting on that money.

                      In addition it is less likely to be stolen or delayed or mis-delivered. (Yes, I am talking to my mail carrier!) Sorry had to vent there =)

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                        #6.6 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:17 PM EST
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                        {"commentId":5046630,"authorDomain":"libra7288"}
                        libra7288

                        Well, that would be one more day that the USPS employees don't get to OPEN my friggen mail before they deliver it!

                        I find on average 90% of my mail is opened before it's delivered. Please don't say that their "machines" open my mail. Bullhockey!

                        I've attempted to complain to my local postmaster, but they can't be reached by phone and they don't work "weekends".

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                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#7 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:41 PM EST
                        {"commentId":5046930,"authorDomain":"shub"}
                        Shub Tnediserp Remrof

                        If your postmaster is of the opposite sex then that would be the problem right there.

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                          #7.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:55 PM EST
                          {"commentId":5047438,"authorDomain":"libra7288"}
                          libra7288

                          Why would it be a problem, STR?

                          I've also noticed that my postal carrier also skips delivering mail some days. It's almost as if they were told not to deliver the mail 6 days a week a few years ago. Of course, it could just be that I have a very lazy postal carrier.

                          Cheers!

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                          • 2 votes
                          #7.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:22 PM EST
                          {"commentId":5050603,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
                          Division by Zero

                          Hmm...libra7288, you don't have anyone from Homeland Security looking over your shoulder do you?

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                          • 2 votes
                          #7.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:31 PM EST
                          {"commentId":5051949,"authorDomain":"ladkiara"}
                          truthsaer

                          I've been noticing my own mail being opened a lot lately...and same with days of no mail at all...not even junk mail! Two days last week. Can't believe I didn't get anything at all those days. I've been living here 25 years now and it's just been the last year or so that I've had mail-less days. :P

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                          • 1 vote
                          #7.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:52 PM EST
                          {"commentId":5053067,"authorDomain":"rar31966"}
                          mailgirl

                          You think we have time to open your mail and read it...who cares, it is the machines. Most of us don't even stop to eat or use bathroom, how many breaks do you take on your job.

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                            #7.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:18 PM EST
                            {"commentId":5054842,"authorDomain":"brkfstclblvr"}
                            brkfstclblvr

                            Mailgirl,

                            The liklihood that most of the mail is opened is just as improbable. And at my post office, the workers are rarely working. They take their time finding the mail, and many times are off out and about--evidenced by the frustrated looks on those actually out on the floor.

                            And how does your break time have anything to do with his mail being open? I missed that.

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                            • 1 vote
                            #7.6 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:34 AM EST
                            {"commentId":5055236,"authorDomain":"solarglare"}
                            SolarGlare

                            brkfstclblvr

                            I invite you to go and watch the post office workers. Any day, but especially during Christmastime. Sit in a corner, or if they let you, find a place where you can watch out back and front. You will see that the Post Office workers work harder than you give them credit for.

                            My mother has worked for the Post Office for many years, and there are days when she is truly exhausted from being on her feet all day, preparing mail for delivery, putting mail into the boxes, dealing with customers, and the other myriad of tasks these people do every day. So before you insult these hard working people, walk a day in their shoes.

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                            • 1 vote
                            #7.7 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:13 AM EST
                            {"commentId":5069880,"authorDomain":"ladyblue81"}
                            Lady Blue 81

                            mailgirl,

                            YOU may not have time to open mail or receive proper breaks, but you can't speak for every mail room or mail carrier.

                            Only certain mail is opened when I receive it...like mail with no return address. Are the machine sensitive to that type of mail?

                            There are busy bodies & thieves every where in every business. I'm in advertising, and as much as I love my job and the people I work with...I am shocked to know that there is theft in our department, and throughout the company of personal and corp belongings.

                            So I'm sure it happens in the post office.

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                            • 1 vote
                            #7.8 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:53 PM EST
                            {"commentId":5072214,"authorDomain":"libra7288"}
                            libra7288

                            Curiously enough, mailgirl, the mail of which I speak being opened is ANYTHING which looks like it has sensitive personal information enclosed. Credit card advertisements, credit card statements, checks, etc . . . Also, magazines which are not covered in plastic have fingerprintes and thumb presses the pages, as though someone has skimmed through them.

                            So, please, don't defend EVERY postal employee by stating that y'all don't have time to do this kind of thing. YOU may not, but there are obviously many that do!

                            If you are an honest postal worker, I'm proud of you and wish you'd become my carrier! I just can't say the same about your fellow workers. Sorry.

                            Cheers!

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                            • 2 votes
                            #7.9 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:50 PM EST
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                            {"commentId":5046633,"authorDomain":"spacegoat"}
                            Spacegoat

                            I want out.

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                              Reply#8 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:41 PM EST
                              {"commentId":5046690,"authorDomain":"fasracer"}
                              clay-716504

                              I like the Mon-Wed-Fr for residential and lets go with Mon-Tues-Thur-Fri for business. We do not need 5 or 6 day a week delivery. Waste of money. No one else in the world gets 6 day a week delivery? Why do we need it?

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                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#9 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:43 PM EST
                              {"commentId":5069904,"authorDomain":"ladyblue81"}
                              Lady Blue 81

                              Great idea clay,

                              M-T-Th-F

                              I agree.

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                              • 1 vote
                              #9.1 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:55 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":5046732,"authorDomain":"piassojoe"}
                              CURIOUS-509996

                              How about eliminating one of those paid holidays? They get enough of those. And not delivering mail on Mondays? I would hope then that the taxpayer would not need to subsidize the post office.

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                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#10 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:46 PM EST
                              {"commentId":5048869,"authorDomain":"thelopes"}
                              thelopes

                              The paid holidays are federal paid holidays. All federal employees get those days.

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                              • 1 vote
                              #10.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:46 PM EST
                              {"commentId":5052730,"authorDomain":"rar31966"}
                              mailgirl

                              Yes, but when we go back after a holiday we do 2 days work in one....so we would like the holidays gone too. Its not really worth it.

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                                #10.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:49 PM EST
                                {"commentId":5054253,"authorDomain":"piassojoe"}
                                CURIOUS-509996

                                Sorry mailgirl. Don't mean to pick on the mail carriers, but eliminating a few FEDERAL holidays for all government employees would save the tax payers a bunch of money. As it is, a fed employee gets a paid day off every time the wind blows. Blank check goverments have to stop some time.

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                                  #10.3 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:29 AM EST
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                                  {"commentId":5046886,"authorDomain":"shub"}
                                  Shub Tnediserp Remrof

                                  Can it be Monday nobody likes Monday anyhow. It would actually give people a chance to see a brighter meaning to the day (Monday).

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                                    Reply#11 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:53 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":5047066,"authorDomain":"ewstephen60"}
                                    ewstephen

                                    The problem is very simple: they have less mail (less revenue from postage) to deliver, but still have the same number of postal routes and the same number of homes they stop at to deliver even one piece of mail. Cutting out a day would help if they reduced the work force and expanded the routes for those still working. But eventually things will get better and the USPS would have to rehire. A postage increase won't work because that will send even more people looking to the Internet for communications and bill delivery and paying and result in less mail. So the USPS is essentially a dinosaur and it needs to be peoperly buried through privatization. With the internet as an option for the paperless world, those who want a paper option should pay for it. UPS would be one candidate to take it on, a new venture, another. Having the taxpayer foot the bill for another bailout for what amounts to a commodity service, however, is unacceptable.

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                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#12 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:01 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":5047188,"authorDomain":"trink1213"}
                                    trink1213

                                    Oh there is no way I would approve of a bailout for the USPS. I do like the fact of paying for the service, like garbage collection (no pun intended!) or lawn service. Then again couldn't FedEx and UPS just take over for the USPS if we decided to pay for it? Could they survive as a competitor?

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                                    • 1 vote
                                    #12.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:07 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":5047206,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
                                    JoulesBeef

                                    it will also probably mean less pay... not a reason to nto cut back but realise that means more people falling to lower brackets of income. And more peopel competing for part time jobs.

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                                    • 1 vote
                                    #12.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:08 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":5048331,"authorDomain":"opustheory"}
                                    Lil' Rascal

                                    "So the USPS is essentially a dinosaur and it needs to be peoperly buried through privatization."

                                    This deserves a slow clap. Sorry USPS, it's 2009. For those of you still wondering why we're in the mess we're in, it's because we refuse to evolve past these ancient American ways. We're still paying to have people delivering residential mail on Saturdays in little mail trucks? Are you kidding? Get rid of them! Let's use some of this $800 billion stimulus to retrain these people to install solar panels or something, and do away with the USPS entirely. I can't even believe we're talking about this.

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                                      #12.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:16 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":5049622,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
                                      JoulesBeef

                                      lol well sat mail is hardly the reason for the mess we are in.. we pay for mail with each stamp we buy and letter we send.. it's not a huge tax drain.
                                      I'm not saying it should go but lets talk reality.
                                      The mail pays for itself.
                                      but money is tight
                                      so they keep raising stamp rates
                                      thats not very popular
                                      so they are instead of raising stamp rates.. talking about reducing the number of days for mail.
                                      this has nothing to do with the mess we are in

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                                      • 1 vote
                                      #12.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:34 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":5051147,"authorDomain":"mike-pomatto"}
                                      Mike_P

                                      I don't believe for a second that the mail pays for itself. This has to be the most subsidized program outside of Amtrak.

                                      Eliminate the USPS. Private firms are more a more efficient use of resources.

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                                        #12.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:05 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":5054860,"authorDomain":"brkfstclblvr"}
                                        brkfstclblvr

                                        Yeah, FedEx doesn't have a $0.42 mail option for one.

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                                        • 1 vote
                                        #12.6 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:40 AM EST
                                        {"commentId":5059141,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}
                                        Adam Hobson

                                        Yeah, FedEx doesn't have a $0.42 mail option for one.

                                        That's because it would be illegal for them to do so. The USPS has a government granted monopoly on first class mail. No one is allowed to compete with that.

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                                          #12.7 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:29 AM EST
                                          {"commentId":5062035,"authorDomain":"teegee22"}
                                          WaterDog1

                                          Nobody else could take it on. The USPS already delivers for UPS and FED EX. Noobody has the delivery system we do.

                                          the postal service is expected to act as a private company, yet we have government restrictions from doing so. Why doesn't the USPS have it's own fleet of planes... like others do... why, the government forbids any other agency other than the military to have it's own fleet.

                                          My electric company sends me a bill every month with a fuel adjustment charge. The USPS can't do that.  For every penny the price of fuel goes up, it costs the postal service 8 million dollars a year more.

                                          Private companies only want the big city mail delivery, that's where they can make money. They don't want the rest of the country, it cost too much.  If the USPS went private, you could expect to pay a whole lot more than you do now.

                                          The USPS gets no money from the federal government for those of you that think we do. (Mike). They get no subsidies.

                                          Before  you knock it, just check out the real facts.

                                          Trink: No they could not survive as a competitor. They are not set up to deliver to every home in this country on a daily basis. That's why we now do delivery for them.

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                                          • 2 votes
                                          #12.8 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:25 PM EST
                                          {"commentId":5062584,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}
                                          Adam Hobson

                                          Noobody has the delivery system we do.

                                          Again, that's because it's ILLEGAL for them to do so. USPS has a government granted MONOPOLY on first class mail. The reason that no one else does it, or can do it, is because it is ILLEGAL for anyone besides USPS to do so.

                                          However, if the monopoly was ever removed, then the story would change pretty damn fast.

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                                            #12.9 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:45 PM EST
                                            {"commentId":5062739,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
                                            Division by Zero

                                            However, if the monopoly was ever removed, then the story would change pretty damn fast.

                                            Do you think a private company would put a post office in a town with a population of 1200, and staff it with one person at the counter and another to sort mail and make deliveries three, four, or five days a week? I don't think so. They'd set up business in the major cities and the outlying areas would have to do without.

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                                            • 2 votes
                                            #12.10 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:51 PM EST
                                            {"commentId":5063324,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}
                                            Adam Hobson

                                            And what is wrong with that? Why should cities have to suffer higher rates and terrible service all for the sake of a government monopoly?

                                            I'm not saying get rid of the USPS. Just open it up to competition. I see nothing wrong with a regional postal company who would want to service, say, only New Jersey. Or a B2B postal company who wants to service just a few major cities.

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                                              #12.11 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:13 PM EST
                                              {"commentId":5072451,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}
                                              Division by Zero

                                              Having a private company that would deliver mail regionally would appear to make sense but there's a complicating factor. What if you live in that region but you're sending mail outside that region. Let's say there's a company that serves New York and New Jersey that we'll call NY/NJ Mail Express. You live in New York. You want to send a wedding invitation to Aunt Irma who lives in Plantersville, Mississippi. How is it going to get there? Is NY/NJ Mail Express going to hand it off to another carrier, which would hand it off to another carrier, which would hand it off to another carrier, which might hand it off to yet another carrier, before it could finally be delivered to Aunt Irma? Is this simple? Is this efficient? Is this a good way to get your wedding invitation lost in the mail? Are we going to have a system where for regional mail you would go to NY/NJ Mail Express and for mail needing to go outside that system you would go to a remnant of the USPS? What if nobody wants to service Plantersville, Mississippi? Sucks to live in Plantersville?

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                                              • 1 vote
                                              #12.12 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:04 PM EST
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                                              {"commentId":5047403,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}
                                              Rixar13

                                              Total mail volume was 202 billion items last year, over 9 billion less than the year before, the largest single volume drop in history.

                                              Eliminate Junk Mail and lower mail days the same percentage drop as mail decrease. Give postal employees sucide prevention number.

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                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#13 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:20 PM EST
                                              {"commentId":5053150,"authorDomain":"rar31966"}
                                              mailgirl

                                              Give postal employees suicide prevention number.

                                              I hope you can look at your postal carrier in the eye when you give this number to them and it not bother you. We are people with families, W-O-R-K-I-N-G and trying to survive this mess we are all a part of. I have never felt like this when a customer comes out and tells the only person they see that day about their troubles and hardships. I find it disturbing that you all forget we are people in those trucks that bring your mail, and most of us do care about our customers that we deliver to year after year.

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                                                #13.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:26 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":5057574,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}
                                                Rixar13

                                                mailgirl, I hope you can look at your postal carrier in the eye when you give this number to them and it not bother you.

                                                I'm very sarcastic and I understand yours and every Americans plight at this time. One of my best friends (passed on) was top dog at the Post Office in my area. As for my female postal carrier, she is a busy-body discriminatory and manipulative person who works out of post office where fellow co-worker was convicted of opening cards and stealing cash from cards. But hey, I don't judge you that way and I empathize with you and all Americans at this time. "Smile" I'm a graduate of School of hard Knox too. I wouldn't give my postal carrier the number.

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                                                #13.2 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:13 AM EST
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                                                {"commentId":5047413,"authorDomain":"upswing"}
                                                upswing

                                                I like the daily delivery thing ... Makes me feel connected with real people outside the vitual environment ...

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                                                Reply#14 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:20 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":5047577,"authorDomain":"Cyniclaus"}
                                                Cyniclaus

                                                Sign off on this, and you sign off on the death warrant for the USPS.

                                                With delivery limited to only 6 days, USPS will be unable to compete with the commercial shippers who will look elsewhere to shipping companies that can (literally) deliver the goods. This will have the opposite of the intended effect as they will lose the only profitable niche they currently fill.

                                                They should have followed the European model of having the post offices double as banks...now the European post offices make more profits from banking than from mail delivery. We insisted as keeping our banks as "independent" commercial enterprises and for what? Now the government has to shoulder their operating costs due to mismanagement and irresponsible lending practices.

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                                                  Reply#15 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:30 PM EST
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                                                  upswing

                                                  Cyniclaus:

                                                  With delivery limited to only 6 days, USPS will be unable to compete with the commercial shippers who will look elsewhere to shipping companies that can (literally) deliver the goods.

                                                  Good point. Never thought of this ... It would be a shame to lose a cheap option to communicate "real-world" with others.

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                                                    #15.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:38 PM EST
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                                                    EJCanavan

                                                    Eliminate 80% of mail routes and make them start using the post office. You have to "rent" a post office box but it's better than being fleeced for $.42 every time you want someone to carry a piece of paper across town. Have a building full of thousands of PO boxes and charge so much per month to hire a few people to sort and distribute the mail. Then keep shipping and such a separate service. Then you can also charge the companies that insist on filling the boxes with junk mail ... they may be more selectiove next time to people who actually want their crap !

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                                                      Reply#16 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:46 PM EST
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                                                      KyleN

                                                      The normal rate can send mail to a local office for pickup and then if they want to compete with FedEx and UPS then maintain the drop ship segment separately. Perhaps an additional service customers could sign up for to bulk deliver all their stored mail one a variable period (week, month) for different rates like drop shipping. There is little in the mail I care about that's not periodic like once a month anyway, otherwise I'd go pick it up.

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                                                        Reply#17 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:54 PM EST
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                                                        electricpresident

                                                        In Canada, to my knowledge, mail isn't delivered on Saturdays.
                                                        I like the idea of a Mon-Weds-Friday run.

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                                                          Reply#18 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:55 PM EST
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                                                          TezInDenver

                                                          Don't think I'd notice much of a difference if USPS went to 5 delivery days instead of 6. I pay most of my bills online and ship most packages via other means. Congress should approve the request.

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                                                          Reply#19 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:59 PM EST
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                                                          Mark My Word

                                                          I'm not sure about the three-day per week delivery system, as it would most certainly cause bulkier deliveries on those days. However, I do think that our postal workers deserve to have a two-day weekend like most other people have; so I can better accept the concept of no mail on Saturday. Sure, that would mean that Monday's deliveries would be bulkier, but it would even out in the rest of the week.

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                                                          Reply#20 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:00 PM EST
                                                          {"commentId":5048932,"authorDomain":"ladkiara"}
                                                          truthsaer

                                                          Bill, who are you to say what others need?  If you don't want or need mail delivery...good for you, but I for one, depend on Saturday mail.
                                                          I work a job that expenses cannot be done until the last day of the week is over (Friday night).  So Saturday is my day to get my expense report in the mail.  You might say, "Mail it on MOnday".  Fine...for you.  I NEED that money.  It takes our company way too long to reimburse us as it is.  If Saturday delivery is cut out, which is the day our check usually arrives, then on Monday, when it does come, I'll already be out of town for the next week's work.  I don't like waiting another week.   Yes, that money is that important.  We are on limited account funds.

                                                          Why doesn't the Government give the USPS a choice....another raise....or another day off....not both.  They are just in line holding out their hands for bailout money so their pensions can grow too. 

                                                          I think it's time to send the bailout money to the American people and bail THEM out and let the big conglomerates cut their spending and big vacations to get themselves out of debt.  We'd save a heck of a lot of that bailout money if they'd give it to the people who really NEED it to pay mortgages etc, instead of big bonusesfor these CEO's etc.

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                                                          Reply#21 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:50 PM EST
                                                          {"commentId":5051234,"authorDomain":"mike-pomatto"}
                                                          Mike_P

                                                          The USPS doesn't have to deliver your expense report.

                                                          - deliver it electronically. Seriously, this would have to save you TONS of money. There has to be a way.

                                                          - use a commercial firm

                                                          The point is that one person doesn't "say what others need." The market says what people need. If the demand is there, then people will be willing to supply it.

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                                                            #21.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:10 PM EST
                                                            {"commentId":5051558,"authorDomain":"ladkiara"}
                                                            truthsaer

                                                            Yeah, great suggestion....and that just might work......IF I were the owner or CEO of the company. It's not my choice. I WORK for the company. They choose when they send it, not me. I just have to wait the 4-6 weeks to get it back. It shows up on Saturday. Case closed.

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                                                              #21.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:30 PM EST
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                                                              FDBryant3

                                                              Might point they seem to considering stopping delivery on Tuesday. Honestly though, even if they stopped delivery on Saturday it wouldn't be the end of the world for you. You would do what anyone else would do and restructure your financial situation for whatever the new day you receive your money on is. Shortly after the shift it would be like there was no change.

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                                                                #21.3 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:59 PM EST
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                                                                mailgirl

                                                                read again....the PO has not ask for bail out money....and we will not be off a Saturday. Most likely Tuesday. But again no bail out money has been requested.

                                                                Potter also asked that Congress ease the requirement that it make advance payments into a fund to cover future health benefits for retirees. Last year the post office was required to put $5.6 billion into the fund.

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                                                                  #21.4 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:02 PM EST
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                                                                  truthsaer

                                                                  I read right the first time. It's only a matter of time. Once free ANYTHING is handed out, it's only a matter of time before everyone that can "qualify", will be in line.

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                                                                    #21.5 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:12 PM EST
                                                                    {"commentId":5053187,"authorDomain":"rar31966"}
                                                                    mailgirl

                                                                    you read it wrong if you think PO ask for a bail out.

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                                                                      #21.6 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:31 PM EST
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                                                                      WaterDog1

                                                                      truthsaer:

                                                                      I work for the USPS and do my expense reports online and get paid direct deposit to my bank in usually 3 days.

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                                                                        #21.7 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:32 PM EST
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                                                                        Tim Boothby

                                                                        Raise the rates on presorted standard (bulk junkmail) to match the regular postage rates and you'll see a decline in load, and maybe save a tree or two. Saves me from having to shred it all unopened. I can block telemarketers, online its called spam, thats what it should should be considered in my snail mail box too.

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                                                                        Reply#22 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:52 PM EST
                                                                        {"commentId":5050785,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}
                                                                        Pacific Northwest Blogger

                                                                        Consumer, credit and insurance agency opt out web site
                                                                        https://www.optoutprescreen.com/?rf=t

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                                                                          #22.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:43 PM EST
                                                                          {"commentId":5054873,"authorDomain":"brkfstclblvr"}
                                                                          brkfstclblvr

                                                                          This is bull. Thank you for the link PNB, but the whole junk mail scheme has got to go. So I get to take it up the you know what because I have one credit card? I have to give them my SSN so they can take me off a list that they shouldn't have put me on in the first place.

                                                                          Crap!

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                                                                            #22.2 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:48 AM EST
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                                                                            angiepace

                                                                            I wish the post office would add a day and start delivery on Sundays!!! How are they able to compete with the other carriers by decreasing by another day! Right now one of the advantages of going through usps is that they do deliver mail on saturdays, unlike ups. this is just too bad.

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                                                                            Reply#23 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:52 PM EST
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                                                                            mikebw

                                                                            One of the reasons for the huge USPS deficit is a $1billion automated mail handling machine that is now under development by a large defence contractor. It is so big it fills a warehouse sized building. It is designed to handle bulk mail and it is not near completion. Just the operator's manual for this machine has exceeded $6million, 1st chapter and running. This is a prime reason why the postage rates went up on regular mail but not due to bulk mail. So you are paying for it as long as you buy stamps. The idea is to provide cheaper conduit for those who are try to market or sell you something. With regular mail on steep decline due to internet and e-mail, bulk mail is the only way the USPS can make money. The justification for these machines was based on 4hrs of overtime but it is so complex it will require an army of technical support people to support it, at premium cost as well and not at wages that a manual person could perform the same task. There are several vendors who are milking this cow (this is government work), and much of the redundant efforts involved or justified by this program is bolstered by numerous tiers of managers.

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                                                                              Reply#24 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:39 PM EST
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                                                                              truthsaer

                                                                              Not just postage went up. I run a small Ebay store and set up a Post Office Box specifically for that store. My small box rent went up on an average of $2 a year. No problem...until last year. The rent on my box went from $38 to a whopping $52 last year. This year, I'm closing the box. $14 increases each year is just too much for a box full of junk mail.

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                                                                                #24.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:38 PM EST
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                                                                                Division by Zero

                                                                                People seem to forget that the USPS was initially set up as a government service and is the only delivery service that will deliver to EVERY address in the U.S. There are many places where FedEX and UPS will not go. I know because I have talked to folks who live in such places. Despite its problems we do have the most efficient and effective mail carrier service in the world. I do think cutting delivery dates down to 3 or 4 days a week would be beneficial.

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                                                                                Reply#25 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:44 PM EST
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                                                                                TheJonesGirl

                                                                                Not only that, but imagine the cost of delivering every wedding invite or W2 etc. by FedEx or UPS. Even their cheapests services are still a buck or two each piece.

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                                                                                #25.1 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:42 PM EST
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                                                                                mailgirl

                                                                                unless your the one who has to go in and deliver to those 700 plus boxes 50 to 60 miles a day with 3 days worth of mail....the mail is on a 24 hour clock and it never stops, even on holidays....someone is working your mail

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                                                                                  #25.2 - Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:56 PM EST
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