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Obama signs equal-pay bill

Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:22 AM EST
politics, obama, barack-obama, pay, equal
Philip Elliott, Associated Press

Lily Ledbetter addresses the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Tuesday, Aug. 26, 2008 file photo. President Barack Obama is expected Thursday to sign his first bill into law - the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act - an equal-pay measure that is popular with labor and women's groups and expected to make it easier to sue for decades-old discrimination. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds, File)

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is singing the praises of newly passed legislation making it easier for workers to sue for discrimination on the job.

At a White House bill-signing ceremony, he said the measure upholds the principle that "we are all created equal" and that each person deserves an equal opportunity.

The measure is known as the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. And it is named for a woman who said she didn't become aware of a pay discrepancy until she neared the end of her career at a Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. plant.

Ledbetter was present for the ceremony. The law effectively overturns a Supreme Court decision that had strictly limited workers' ability to file such suits.

© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Great Greg

It's wrong in most cases to have equal pay for the same job description, some people work faster and are more efficient then others.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:57 AM EST
SnotRag Dave

Sorry, Greg, but I will have to respectfully disagree.

It's wrong in most cases to have equal pay for the same job description,

The issue concerns equal pay for all who are in equal positions. The Ledbetter case revolved around seniority, as those men who had less experience received higher salaries than the more senior woman. The Supreme Court tossed the case over a statute of limitations issue, not because the claim was invalid.

some people work faster and are more efficient then others.

Now you're talking about productivity, a completely different HR and payroll concern. Those who have met hire productivity ratios are generally rewarded with bonuses, wage hikes, promotions, or a combination of these.

The matter resolved with this bill is the debate over whether men deserve to be paid more than women in relatively identical positions. The clear answer to that is no.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:16 PM EST
Kim-298921

You're talking about quality and quantity of work, which can and should be laid out in work standards.

If not up to standard of acceptable quality and quantity, then that's a matter for correcting the employee or letting them go.

If they're performing equally in the same job, then men and women need to paid equally.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:00 PM EST
Great Greg

Kim, The problem of "letting them go" opens up the discrimination factor.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:43 AM EST
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Paul-534930

Yes! and take a look at the Huffington posts article on just who is against the labor movement!

    Reply#2 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:02 AM EST
    Dreama

    Great, let's make it easier to sue somebody! This " get something for nothing" mentality is insane.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:12 AM EST
    SnotRag Dave

    Actually, Dreama, the law makes it easier for companies to avoid lawsuits. All they have to do is set a pay scale tied to a job description, make the appropriate adjustments for seniority, and stick with the policy.

    Don't you think that's fair?

    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:20 PM EST
    Dreama

    No, I don't think it's fair. Your talking about the Government dictating how you as a business owner run your company. I think that is part of the problem. It makes me think of the Unions, and how far they have blown things out of proportion. I don't disagree with equal pay for equal work, but I believe that a Business owner should have the right to decide who earns what,and for what. We shouldn't have to have a detailed job description, with pay scale for every position held, as well as adjustments for seniority.

    Example: You've had your job for 5 years, you make 40,000 a yr. You do your job at an acceptable pace. But your attitude is crap. You shouldn't be able to sue because the other guy that has had his job for 5 yrs and does better work, has a better attitude, makes 50,000 a year.

    Companies should have that choice. In my opinion anyway.

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:47 PM EST
    SnotRag Dave

    Dreama... a counter-example:

    • You're female in a manufacturing supervisory position, overseeing a particular workforce. You've had your job for 5 years, always receive satisfactory evaluations, and make 40,000 a year.
    • Your male co-worker, who has identical responsibilities and a comparable staff, has been employed for 4 years, has identical evaluation scores, and makes 45,000 a year.

    Fair? Of course not.

    • 2 votes
    #3.3 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:53 PM EST
    Dreama

    I guess it all depends on the situation. On one hand companies should have choice on who, and what they pay.

    On the other, blatant discrimination should not be tolerated. The question is who decides, and where to draw the line.

    It's a tough spot.

      #3.4 - Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:51 AM EST
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      gregjarvis

      GREAT.

      Lets create more victims.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:22 AM EST
      Kim-298921

      We already have victims.

      Let's create some justice for them and then there will be a disincentive for employers to discriminate in the future.

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:01 PM EST
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      Naftel

      The way things are going we will all get equal pay soon enough anyway... ZERO!

      • 5 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:02 PM EST
      Wildcard-781265

      Two people, regardless of genders that do the same work should have the same pay.

      But now you have opened a new can or worms, does it have to be “The Very Same Work”?

      If a man makes a part for a car on a machine that takes one hand to operate and a woman makes “another” part on a machine that takes one hand, is that different?

      And what about those jobs that a tedious? A lot of women do those jobs, so should she get less money because men don’t want to do it?

      The whole thing is a mess; to me you should be paid according to your ability, not your sex, if a woman is better than I am at a job, she should be paid more than me, if she is equal to me in ability, she should be paid the same.

      Be honest guys, a lot of women have been paid less for years just because they are women, I don’t like women’s libbers but I am all for fair play and pay.

        Reply#6 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:47 PM EST
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