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House votes to delay digital TV transition

Wed Feb 4, 2009 4:17 PM EST
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msnbc.com News — Suzanne Choney, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

EMERYVILLE, CA - JANUARY 08: Insignia Digital TV converter boxes are displayed at a Best Buy store January 8, 2009 in Emeryville, California. A $1.3 billion dollar government program that was established to help people purchase digital TV converter boxes has run out of money. A waiting list is being established to release more of the $40 coupons to help with the purchase of the boxes if more money becomes available. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

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— The House voted Wednesday 264-158 to delay the analog TV shutdown until June 12.

The nation was two weeks away from the original date of Feb. 17 for the digital transition, allowing broadcasters to replace analog TV signals with digital ones.

But the Obama administration and many Democrats asked for the delay, saying millions of people are not ready for the switch. The bill, already approved by the Senate, now goes to the president for his approval, considered a given. Still to be resolved is the funding needed for more coupons to help consumers offset the cost of converter boxes. That issue will likely be considered as part of the economic stimulus legislation.

“The legislation passed by Congress provides more time for Americans to prepare for the (digital)  transition and will allow more time for the government to fix the coupon program," said David Rehron, president of the National Association of Broadcasters.

"It is unfortunate that Congress had to take additional action on this issue, but the prospect of leaving millions of consumers in the dark was simply unacceptable," said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and a member of the House Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Communications, Technology and the Internet.

Opponents of the delay said it will cause confusion for consumers, and that it is not fair to the wireless companies, including AT&T and Verizon Wireless, as well as public safety agencies that are waiting to use part of the airwave spectrum that will go to them once the switch is made.

The Consumer Electronics Association, an industry trade group, expressed dismay about the decision and concern that the extension could lead to a shortage of converter boxes "because manufacturers and retailers planned box inventory based on a Feb. 17 transition date," said CEA president Gary Shapiro.

Planning started in 2005
With a nation in economic turmoil, it seems the last thing on the to-do list of legislators should have been the transition to digital television. The changeover has been planned since 2005, but the last 12 months were marked by public confusion about the switch and bureaucratic and political wrangling over a coupon program aimed at subsidizing the cost of converter boxes.

Yet the signs of trouble were there: the coupon subsidy program was running out of money, waiting lists were growing, and not enough public education in general was being done about the transition, the coupon program or how to hook up the converter boxes, which some have found troublesome.

“When government took their hands off the steering wheel of public education, a lot of confusion crept into the marketplace,” said Joel Kelsey, policy analyst for Consumers Union, which publishes Consumer Reports.

The Federal Communications Commission and the National Telecommunications and Information Administration might dispute that, pointing to what the agencies see as extensive education efforts, supplanted by those from private industry groups like the Consumer Electronics Association and the National Association of Broadcasters.

The NAB, for example, started its educational campaign in November 2006, according to Shermaze Ingram of the organization.

Still, yesterday, acting FCC chairman Michael Copps said in a statement that "It has long been clear to me — and it’s even clearer since I became acting FCC chairman two weeks ago — that the country is not prepared to undertake a nationwide transition in 12 days without unacceptably high consumer dislocation."

Misconceptions continue
Some of the problem has to do with misconceptions about digital TV itself. As late as October, 41 percent of Americans “believed every single TV needs to be a digital TV in order to get a signal,” said Kelsey, citing a Consumers Union poll.

“About 25 percent believe that every television, whether it’s digital or not, whether it’s hooked up to cable or not, has to have a converter box. And 21 percent believe everyone needs to sign up for cable or satellite service in order to keep a picture on their television sets. Consumers remain extremely confused.”

TVs do not have to be digital, but they do need to be able receive digital broadcasts. The main ways to do that are by buying a converter box to take a TV’s signal from analog to digital, and using an antenna as well; subscribing to a cable or satellite service; or buying a digital TV.

The Nielsen Co. said recently that while 85 percent of households are ready for the digital transition, nearly 6 percent are not at all, and another 9 percent are “partially ready.”

“Partially ready” means “you may have four TV sets in the house, and three are connected to cable and one is an analog set that isn’t,” said Anne Elliot of the Nielsen Co. “It means at least one working TV set in the household would not be able to get a digital signal.” That set could be one that is “used in the kids’ bedroom to watch DVDs,” for example, she said.

Some have moved to new TVs
A year ago, the digital transition was reason enough for many to justify signing up for cable or satellite service or to buy a new TV. At the end of 2007, more than 50 percent of American households owned a digital television, according to the Consumer Electronics Association.

In February 2008, the NTIA started making available two $40 coupons per household to help offset the cost of two converter boxes, which range from $50 to $80 each.

The coupons are only good for 90 days, and that, too, became part of the problem early on. If consumers were requesting the coupons, many weren’t redeeming them. By mid-April, for example, nearly 11 million coupons had been requested, with more than 500,000 of them redeemed, said Todd Sedmak, NTIA communications director.

In the first half of last year, there were limited choices of converter boxes on the market. And some consumers may have set aside the coupons and forgotten about them.

21.7 million coupons redeemed
During the summer, when more converter boxes went on store shelves, efforts to extend the 90-day expiration date were rejected by Congress.

At the end of the year, the NTIA said the $1.34 billion funding ceiling for the coupon program was about to be reached. As of last week, more than 47 million coupons had been mailed out since the program began, and 21.7 million coupons have been redeemed, while more than 14 million of them expired. Meanwhile, more than 3 million people are on a waiting list for the coupons.

The way in which the coupons are redeemed has also been an issue. Brick-and-mortar retailers like Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Radio Shack require in-store redemption, while some of the better converter box deals — including those for the cost of a coupon — can be found online.

“We think retailers need to have cheaper options available, and not just boxes for between $50 to $80,” said Kelsey. “With a $40 coupon, that’s still a relatively significant cost for someone who once got something — television transmission — for free.”

And like many things technological, setting up the boxes has not been a snap for everyone.

“It’s about as easy to setup a converter box as it is to set up a VCR,” said Kelsey. “That said, it’s not easy for everyone. So if you’re not used to this, or you’re not technically inclined, a lot of folks are wondering what to do and how to hook it up.”

Once the boxes are connected, getting a signal can still be a problem and an antenna may be needed. There’s no subsidy program for antennae, and some can be expensive.

More time for preparation
Chris Traver of Gresham, Ore., who had an analog set, decided to forego the converter box option and to buy a new TV earlier this year. Philosophically, he’s opposed to the converter box subsidies.

“We don't need the financial assistance and I do not support the government-sponsored program,” he said. “I do not believe it is the government’s responsibility to help pay for my choice in using television-based entertainment through the coupon program.”

A four-month delay to digital TV may not solve everyone’s problems, but will at least offer time to provide more consumer education and a chance to get more funding for coupons, says Kelsey.

That’s especially important for those most at “risk,” such as the poor, disabled and elderly, said Mark Lloyd, an attorney and vice president of the national Leadership Conference on Civil Rights.

“The focus now really should not be on blame, but how we can make sure that Americans get the equipment they need and the assistance they need to be able to move forward,” he said.

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The-Lonewolf

And in this time of recession, where proficts are shrinking, costs are being cut, and budgets have already been made by all of the broadcast television stations, where are they going to get the funding to keep the analog broadcasts functioning for an additional 4 months?

  • 10 votes
#1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:34 PM EST
Honest Spud

It's Obama time. He can screw you any way he pleases.

  • 13 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:45 PM EST
Longhair

They will probably raise the rates on the end consumer.

Another brilliant money wasting idea forced upon the American public by obama.

  • 12 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:46 PM EST
ladybug-864008

How about the fact that companies like Cablevision (Optimum)are the ones confusing the consumers by telling them that they need to have the IO box in order to have TV. All this to get more money from them.

    #1.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:14 PM EST
    Jake-488375

    I dont care when the switchover takes place but what is so hard to understand. If you use an antenna, including rabit ears, than you need a converter box. It is not rocket science people.

    • 10 votes
    #1.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:27 PM EST
    LOCKr

    Next it will be radio free America to take a hit! personally I think the free airwaves should not be taken away because if there was a National disaster,communications will be reduced by just this much. Big government is slowly widdling away at any freedoms we enjoyed as a Nation. I haven't heard anyone speak up about the possibilites of not having over the air TV communications in a time of emergancy,just about how people shouldn't have to pay for ir and how the peole that have the boxes, are having problems with them because they need an amplifier or something else. You Ham radio guys know what I'm talkin about! next you'll be losing your airwaves. Just a humble opinion from a crazy old coot!

    • 4 votes
    #1.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:30 PM EST
    Arthur-379160

    The broadcasters have the option to make the switch this month and should.

    Those who have not converted will likely not convert by the new deadline either.

    • 10 votes
    #1.6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:37 PM EST
    catamaran

    The main ways to do that are by buying a converter box to take a TV’s signal from analog to digital

    Unfortunately the article is guilty of MISinformation. The converter box takes the signal from DIGITAL (what is being broadcast under the new standards) to ANALOG (what the old TV sets can see) not the other way around as the article states. We still haven't got the science right.

    In any event, I have hooked up my converter box and it works GREAT. I get 23 digital channels in Denver. No problem because I got a converter box BEFORE the deadline. Net cost: $9.95 -- hardly too much for anybody.

    • 3 votes
    #1.7 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:38 PM EST
    Jason-670514

    I have Comcast Digital Cable and I am good to go, but some things I have never been quite clear on are:

    1. Are the separate HD and Digital channels going away? For instance, where I live there is CBS on channel 005 and CBS-HD on 705. Will there only be one CBS channel now?

    2. Will the standard definition content look better on my HD set? For instance will SD look more like DVD and not look like a crappy youtube stream?

      #1.8 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:54 PM EST
      Rich-300568

      this is a MAJOR accomplishment HEADLINES on MSNBC. If your readers think this is headline material and a great accomplishment of the Obama admin then you have truely lowered your collective expectations. This will go down as a big hit in the first 100 days.....you gave minimal headlines to the sinking of Daschle but big headlines to this.

      losers

      • 7 votes
      #1.9 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:56 PM EST
      puppy-864138

      Here we go again... People who don't support themselves asking for another handout from the government, ultimately, the hard working taxpayers. I agree with globug and Lalani, that it shouldn't be the responsibility of the government to provide enterntainment to the public.

      There is always a way to achieve your goal. C'mon, stop being so lazy and focus on a solution to your problem. I work HARD everyday for what little I have and expect no handouts. You can do it too! For those who smoke, for example, smoke one less pack of cigarettes / week. The savings will be astounding and you can afford that converter box to go with that big screen TV that you just rented from RAC!!!

      globug, everyone thinks that the government should pay for everything because the government keeps doing it. Responsibility and control of your own life is what it takes...

      • 6 votes
      #1.10 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:01 PM EST
      wgradke

      The real reason for the delay is to try to straighten out the uninformed reporters who are spreading misinformation.

        #1.11 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:01 PM EST
        Jason-670514

        Man, if the delayed conversion to digital makes people this upset, I can't wait for the transition to an alternative fuel source for our automobiles.

        • 1 vote
        #1.12 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:20 PM EST
        Jason-670514

        I dont care when the switchover takes place but what is so hard to understand. If you use an antenna, including rabit ears, than you need a converter box. It is not rocket science people.

        Yeah, and if you're still using rabbit ears with an analog set I don't think you're going to miss TV that much anyways.

        • 2 votes
        #1.13 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:24 PM EST
        Disgruntled ER doc

        (Saddam) Obama has once again proven what a worthless leader he is going to turn out to be. This transition has been planned for how long? - several years - and finally when they get down to the wire, what's he do? Votes to extend the deadline so we can give more free taxpayer money away to morons who neglected to pay attention to the millions of commercials warning them of this day. And for the bright individuals on here whining about the cost of the converter boxes, it ain't that much. Get a job for once. Or better yet, go WITHOUT! Last I heard, a television is not necessary for life

        • 9 votes
        #1.14 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:28 PM EST
        Republican voter-864414

        All you Obama supporters must be so proud that one of the first big "changes" the president you voted for makes is such a moronic thing! Can't wait for 4 years of such nonsense. Why are we wasting time and money on this stupidity?

        • 5 votes
        #1.15 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:51 PM EST
        MotorCity RockDeleted
        phillipqb

        This is the miracle of BO.

        He can't get cabinet picks right and we want to trust him with our televisions!!! This is an outrage!!

        • 5 votes
        #1.17 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:05 PM EST
        phillipqb

        Well, I for one, am glad that the government is finally addressing their Constitutional responsibilities.

        I just hope some Islamic extremists do not decide to attack us during this time of political turmoil.

        • 4 votes
        #1.18 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:08 PM EST
        louloularue

        I can't believe with all the problems going on in the world, that our newly elected president is soooo concerned with our television watching. I have read many articles on this issue and most citizens are ready for the change. We have been preparing for this for years. I'm sorry some people are lazy and can't get off the couch long enough to do anything for themselves (simply waiting on the government to help them out, yet again). My tax money will probably pay for this too. We as citizens need to stand up and do for ourselves, not depend on the government so much. This is why we are in the situation we are in now. Nobody wants to work anymore or take responsibility for anything. Over half of the coupons requested, from the government, were not even used the first go round. Why complain when you did nothing the first time? Also, the complaint of "How do I hook it up?", do you think it doesn't come with instructions??!! Come on people!!!!!! I don't want the government wiping my nose!!! Do you???!!!

        • 3 votes
        #1.19 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:13 PM EST
        Captain Marvelous

        If these morons don't get their boxes by the deadline they should become fair game to anyone with a shotgun, get'em out of the gene pool.

        Remember these are the type people that elected Obama, the ones that want everything given to them at someone elses expense.

        • 4 votes
        #1.20 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:52 PM EST
        Jim-864582

        They will just throw additional taxpayer costs for more coupons into the pending Porkulus Bill....That's how they Roll

        • 2 votes
        #1.21 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:15 PM EST
        DigiGuy

        I've made the digital switch. I'm a paying customer of HDTV. I'm waiting for my coupon, just $40 little dollars I can put towards one month of my DirecTV bill. Why not send some of my tax dollars my way?

        • 1 vote
        #1.22 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:16 PM EST
        LauraEVP

        Let us remember that this original legislation went through with Bush sitting as president, and I don't agree with the original legislation to give out government funds so people can fix their televisions in the first place What is the government doing spending good money on TV? If people can't afford the box themselves, they need to find other ways to rot their brain.

        • 2 votes
        #1.23 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:29 PM EST
        aqua surf

        Laura, that's so funny! I tell my children that TV causes brain rot. I'm glad someone agrees with me.

        • 1 vote
        #1.24 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:53 PM EST
        LarryB-864768

        NIce going, Mr. President. 2 weeks in office and you have appologized to the Arab world for our agression, nominated 3 tax dodgers for your top public advisors, trashed your predecessor in fairly obvious terms and attempted to more than double the size of a stimulus package that hasn't accomplished anything positive so far and has no specific prospects for doing so if enacted. Now you want to waste your time and out governments time (and considerably more money) to delay something inevitable so that those people who will not prepare will have more time to not prepare. Please settle down and use your own obvious intelligence and ability to lead instead of react to "popular" sentiments.

        • 3 votes
        #1.25 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:31 PM EST
        Chachi McCool

        This is probably the most ridiculous waste of money and collective thought I have heard to date. It's tv, who cares. people can get their news from a paper or radio if they can't afford to upgrade. then again.....go on America keep docile in your homes regurgitating other peoples ideas watching tv, learning how to dress and how to act what it means to be cool man. you can live vicariously thru a little glowing box and be happy but whatever you do.....do not question the government!!! haha

        • 1 vote
        #1.26 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST
        Chuck_454

        Since the government is making money off of selling the spectrum the coupon is not totally a give away but a compensation for rendering everyone's analog TV useless but this transition has been planned for years and if you watch TV at all (and if you don't watch TV the transition won't affect you) there is no excuse for not ordering your coupon, buying a CECB at a B&B store or bought an ATSC TV.

        Typical liberal politicians The millions who are ready will suffer while they pander to the few who are too stupid to be worth the space they occupy.

        • 1 vote
        #1.27 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:55 PM EST
        Kathy T-864815

        Come on people this is television. The switch to digital has been advertised for, what, two years and there are people out there not ready? If this is so hard to comprehend maybe they would be better off without television; read a book, learn what is really going on in the world. What about the advertisers that have spent money on promoting the switch and now it's not going to happen? I can't belive our lawmakers are wasting time on this and that I am going to have to listen to another 6 months of ads about the switch.

        • 2 votes
        #1.28 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:56 PM EST
        Beaux-0923

        This is ridiculous. The government should never take our taxpayer money to give it to people who resist the advancement of technology in our nation. The government should tell those who are still depending on foil antennas to get a new TV because theirs is outdated. I am extremely disappointed in our government for wasting OUR NATION'S money on this.

        • 2 votes
        #1.29 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 12:06 AM EST
        Taco-864974

        We have had a year or two to figure this out why waste more money and time. If you don't have the ambition to follow the rules than you don't deserve free tv. Get off your lazy behind and get the free box. I am a heinz 57 of america.(no claims to special rights) try doing something more productive for your country and yourself. don't expect something for nothing!!!!!!! You are really upsetting the midwest!!!! Only you can make the country better.

        • 1 vote
        #1.30 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:00 AM EST
        The Original Mac

        Tell me again, Why are we forcing the use of over a millions pounds of additional equipment to fix something that ain't broke?

          #1.31 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:56 AM EST
          Jason-670514

          On 2-4-09, montanagal-864618 wrote:

          We have to use an antenna with a plasma television to get local channels which are broadcast 20 miles away. Do you think that using antennas with analog sets makes people uneducated? Perhaps you should educate yourself on broadcasting signals.

          HUH?

          First off pal, don't @!$%#ing email me this garbage. Keep it on the message board! Next time, I post your email address for the entire world to see.

          Second. I'm well aware you can receive a digital ATSC signal OTA to the antenna connected to your plasma screen. I was not posting about that.

          How the hell would I come to the conclusion that using an antenna on an analog set makes you uneducated??

          For the record. Using rabbit ears on an analog set to receive an analog signal does not make you uneducated, but it shows that you are really, really behind the times; You are probably wearing an avocado green polyester leisure suite, and you shouldn't be trusted around small children.

          Go pick a fight with someone else.

            #1.32 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 1:23 PM EST
            FOREVER LOST

            Government keeping an eye out to ensure monopolistic entities do not arise is the only reasonable interference; solely to protect the consumer. This interference is pathetic and should not be a government issue. I can think of about a million other more important issues than our conversion from analog to digital. Those of us who are losing jobs, health care and homes won't be watching tv at all - then they'll have nothing to worry about.

            And to Beaux- I agree that enough is enough. However there are some people (Amish is one example) in the US that won't ever have a tv, let alone a digital one. Just like a cruise ship, if you miss it, you miss it! They are not going to hold it up for one person!

              #1.33 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST
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              globug

              It is not the government's responsibility to provide converter boxes. Why does everyone think the government has to pay for everything? This is STUPID plus a waste of money!

              • 12 votes
              Reply#2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:34 PM EST
              Carol-863921

              Globug is absolutely right! And not an hour of viewing goes by that I'm not "educated" about the upcoming transition. This is NOT how I want my tax dollars wasted.

              • 6 votes
              #2.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:53 PM EST
              Lalani

              I absolutely agree. I could scream reading this. TV is not a necessity in our daily routine. It is a complete extra. When has government been responsible to pay for our entertainment? I don't remember coupons being handed out when we made the switch from vhs to dvd or cassette to cd. Sure one could still use the other option, but people grow up and move out and stop living off of mom and dad. The government is retiring and out of money. It has it's own bills to pay. I have moved on in my technology whether I wanted to or not and knowing that my tax dollars have to pay for other people because they are whining about the tv they can no longer watch is ridiculous. I wish people could start taking responsibility for themselves. Yes setting up vcr's, dvd's and other gaming consoles to your tv can be difficult. That is why they make instructions. READ THEM!

              • 6 votes
              #2.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:20 PM EST
              LLL-864076

              I completely agree with you guys. I'm tired of everyone trying to leach off of our government. If people didn't get ready for the transition, TOO BAD. Nobody is going to die if they wake up on Feb 17th and they can't watch tv. Come one Obama focus on serious issues like how to fix our economy, how to stimulate employment, etc not stupid ones like this. Seriously we knew this was going to happen when smart people elected him. He worries about petty issues....come on President Obama live up to your position.

              • 4 votes
              #2.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:37 PM EST
              Bry In VA

              Well... there is the matter of emergency broadcasts that let you know of incoming natural disasters like tornados and such. Sure, radio does it too, but one of the reasons the government issued these converter boxes, (long before Obama took office), is that it was deemed people needed to have access to this kind of information.

                #2.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:55 PM EST
                Assassin_Sharks

                LLL your right but he's actully doing the oppiste with this plan. He's managing to screw Verzion and At&T along with local goverment all at the same time. Along with all the cable companys who have to maintain 2 seprate broadcasts. These companys are going to lose millions if not billions of dollars... This will also slow the develpoment of the 4G phones and cause the ecnomoy to get even more off track than it is now. So at this point Obama's score for Good moves and Bad are about 1:1 right now. That will surely change from here on out.

                • 3 votes
                #2.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:32 PM EST
                TexasZ

                Bry In VA

                If it's that important then the ones that are not ready for the SWITCH, even though they have had over a YEAR to get off their BUTT'S and get ready then we should move on because there are some that will never be ready. Make the SWITCH and you can BET that the converter boxes will be FLYING of the shelves. Sometimes you have to throw water in some peoples faces to make them wake up.

                Assassin_Sharks

                and we know who will be paying for any losses that Verzion and At&T will incure, you and me.

                • 4 votes
                #2.6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST
                Jean K.

                Bry In VA and others who say those of us who just might need this delay, even though you haven't a clue as to what our 'personal' circumstances are, should have water thrown in our faces walk in my shoes with lots of those around me who've lost their jobs (more than you can count) 'and' their homes then I might just understand where you're coming from. I'm NOT asking the government to give me a thing but 'time' to buy myself an 'updated' tv set, because I can't afford cable or satellite right now, but I guess that really wouldn't matter to you though would it? How about the senior citizen's places that I live near with people on 'fixed' incomes who can barely afford to pay their rents, or afford the 'little bit' of food (some even buying cat food to eat, and I'm not kidding either) they get by on. Bry, I guess you're probably saying to yourself, "so what, cry me a river and move on from there", huh?

                God have mercy on you and others who try to make those of us living from pay check to pay check, and some by packing bags even to earn a few bucks extra, feel like crap. As for Obama or 'any other man' being President, he's already in there and I can smell the toast burning, our nation is heading for a free-fall quicker than you can blink, but I guess we have to blame it on someone though don't we. One man gets into office and creates a mess (then again, who's to say the mess wasn't already there), and the others who follow 'with the best of intentions', but create an even bigger mess pay the price. What else is new when it comes to the Presidency or any other office??? Know I'm going to get blasted big time for this but what else is new so here goes. For those of you who believe in prayer, would it be so awful for us as a nation to say a prayer in the hope that despite the mistakes we know are coming, that God (yeah, I realize there are some people who don't believe in Him, but I'm talking to the ones who do.) help this man to run this nation in a way that will be of help to us ALL? Call me a dreamer, or whatever you please, but we're in deep trouble folks, and tearing not only each other but the one that some people helped to put into office (I could have sworn he asked for ALL our help and prayers) down, really doesn't help make our lives any better no matter what we think.

                Lastly, as I said, the delay would work for me and I'm quite sure a few others, at least until we can get the funds (I guess even if it means taking on a second job) to update our sets, but if that doesn't happen you do the best you can with what you have, and take it from there.

                P.S. Has anyone here with cable or satellite thought about the fact that if you 'don't' have an updated set, and your service goes out for a specific period of time, where exactly will that leave you if you lose your signal for perhaps 'weeks' on end??? I realize the promos are saying, "you have NOTHING to worry about", but who's to say this information is 'accurate' and you get the chance to find out first-hand that you've been steered in the wrong direction???

                • 2 votes
                #2.7 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:52 PM EST
                SuperiorMan

                To answer your question 'globug' The reason the government is paying for this change is because they are the ones that want the broadcasting power of analog for government use. We are getting a much crisp clear picture with digital. So, since the government is making us go to digital, then they need to help with the transition.

                And on another note; I don’t agree with Obama on delaying the transition to digital, because Americans has had over a year to get ready. Plus the government has been giving out coupons for the converter boxes. Not to mention the converter boxes cost around 30.00. (The coupons are worth 40.00, anything over 30.00 is getting into the 'special types' of converter boxes.)

                So now what are these T.V. stations going to do about the analog equipment. It’s all ready to be moved out on or before the 14 of Feb? It will cost the stations more money just to keep them up and running for a few more months. What a waste of time and MONEY, something we don’t have a lot of.

                • 2 votes
                #2.8 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST
                The Original Mac

                We are getting a much crisp clear picture with digital.

                Crisper is a word you use when referring to fresh lettuce. Who are you kidding? Cause it ain't me. Hope I'm making my self clear.

                  #2.9 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 3:03 AM EST
                  SuperiorMan

                  I’m sorry Mr. English Professor, I mean ‘Crystal Clear Picture’. Is that better for you? Now just replace that word with 'Crystal', now you can read and maybe understand what was written. Or not....

                  By the way, "ain't" is not a word, try using "isn't". Any "my self" is one word.

                  back at ya...

                  • 1 vote
                  #2.10 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:55 AM EST
                  dmd-433801

                  I too agree that it is not the responsibility of the federal government to pay for or even keep track of who has television and would does not. More importantly, who is going to bare the cost of this new bill (waste of taxpayer dollars). The coupon program is going to get more funding from the stimulus package (waste of taxpayer dollars) and now the broadcasters have to sit on all the equipment that they purchased in anticipation of this switch, which we will most likely bailout (waste of taxpayer dollars). In the end, this whole thing just boosts to waste more taxpayer dollars with little to no results. It is time to put Democratic politics (Dems in Congress and the new President wanted this) aside and GET OUT OF THE WAY of progress. Ah but finally, if you do not have a TV with a picture you will not see the campaign ads and therefore cannot be swayed to vote for someone who just wants to spend more of your hard earned money.

                  • 1 vote
                  #2.11 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:17 PM EST
                  SuperiorMan

                  The T.V. stations in my area have already said that on the 17th they are going to switch. They say that everyone has had plenty of time in which to upgrade. And after taking a poll, they found out that around 99% of viewers are ready.

                  • 1 vote
                  #2.12 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 11:44 AM EST
                  Reply
                  RandyDandy

                  Congress is moving forward at record breaking speed in destroying this country. IDIOTS all of them.

                  • 11 votes
                  Reply#3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:34 PM EST
                  William Whittemore

                  It sounds like RANDY THE CLOWN more than RandyDandy. I'm sure you won't have any problem switching over, will you? You just don't give a damn about anyone else. You are a CLOWN.

                    #3.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:37 PM EST
                    Honest Spud

                    I agree with RandyDandy.

                    • 3 votes
                    #3.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:47 PM EST
                    oldchuck

                    RandyDandy got it right. And we are idiots for letting it happen.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:17 PM EST
                    Karma-667522

                    We let everything happen...sitting ducks.

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:20 PM EST
                    Karma-667522

                    Oh, additionally, this idea was foisted on us by the O administration. This date was set for conversion a year ago..at least.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:24 PM EST
                    cmon-864012

                    how is this destroying the country, morons? if this is destroying the country, obama just put it off, so cheer.

                    but let's get this over with. since when do we stall something over 6%? they'll probably become the smartest 6% without watching idiotic tv.

                      #3.6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:26 PM EST
                      Arthur-379160

                      Hey RandyDandy, don't blame Congress. Blame the American voters of the past few decades.

                        #3.7 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:39 PM EST
                        TexasZ

                        "Hey RandyDandy, don't blame Congress. Blame the American voters of the past few decades. "

                        This includes electing Obama and his crew of Crooks.

                        R O T will rise again

                        • 2 votes
                        #3.8 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:39 PM EST
                        Reply
                        James-303405

                        So in June when 6.4 million aren't ready it'll get pushed up until December right? What a joke. The stations that are all set to do the switch need to shut down their old transmitters and be done with it. They are not going to lose any viewers or money and what can our brilliant government do to them, impose fines, I think not. This country has definitely had it when this is taking precedence over the real issues.

                        • 8 votes
                        Reply#4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:35 PM EST
                        Skipster56-827353

                        One must remember that those 6.4m people could vote for those Democrats, that passed the bill, one day in the future. They need to get their propoganda to them on a daily base. Can't do that without digital. I can see the Dem's in congress now. "Ladies and gentlemen. We need to scrap working on the economy right now. We have a bigger issue. Those 6.4 million, possible votes for us in 4 years, may not be able to get our messages and we can't afford that. Besides. It will make us look real good to them. Let's all bond and get this bill passed right away."

                        • 5 votes
                        #4.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:55 PM EST
                        MomofThreeCuties

                        It amuses me that you blame the Democrats... obviously, this was propositioned when the Republicans were in office. Perhaps they should have been more concerned with our economy that with trying to make televisions digital. Seems trivial to me when we are in a war that sinks us deeper into debt everyday, and our economy is pure crap. Television should not be a priority to anyone- Dem or Reps alike. Definitely more important issues on the table.

                        • 1 vote
                        #4.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:11 PM EST
                        spider-737231

                        There's nothing amusing about it, momo. The article clearly states that the Democrats are responsible for the delay. Read the article!

                        • 4 votes
                        #4.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:22 PM EST
                        jrl-281852

                        do you understand what this change means. One of the factors is that it open up channels that will be used by local govt's to communicate in an emergency. Now, if you don't want your local gov't to be able to save the kids in case of a fire or other catastrophe, please stand up and say so now.

                        This is has been in the works for years. Companies have spent monies to be prepared for this. Remember, public tv is set for this and this is going to cost them also. This is a waste of money caused by congress which happens to be controlled by Democrats. Have you not listened to the President??? He keeps talking about being bi partisan and you go right back to blame the other party. Which memo did you get?

                        • 6 votes
                        #4.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:26 PM EST
                        MomofThreeCuties

                        I agree with the delay, because there was poor planning on the Republicans part on this whole matter. Yes, people have known about this for years, but have you seen the economy (again, Republicans fault)? Some just flat out cannot afford to spare the $40. I purchased a converter box because I don't care about needing a brand new TV, and I will tell you, the signal is a joke! I'd gladly take my "snowy" picture compared to all of the skipping that goes on with the digital stations. I live in tornado ally and I know how severe our weather here is. I would hate to face those months with the crappy signal I get now.

                        With all of the glitches that have occurred with this so far, it is needed. I was one of those who actually did apply for a coupon, but when I went to find one, they were out of stock of those that I could apply it towards. It eventually expired, and I was forced to pay for something I could really care less about. Again, there are MUCH bigger issues in the world than America feeding into the television addiction.

                        • 3 votes
                        #4.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:34 PM EST
                        MomofThreeCuties

                        Oh, and I have had to call the police a few times since I've had kids. They've always shown up using the technology they already use.

                          #4.6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:36 PM EST
                          Assassin_Sharks

                          Your last statement in your 4.5 post is counter productive to your argument...

                          No this is not the Republicans faults it's going to be the current Presidents fault for putting this through...

                          • 2 votes
                          #4.7 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST
                          r_ferg

                          if you live in tornado alley, i suggest you do what many of us do, have a radio with batteries, that way when the power goes out, you still are able to get information on the severe weather.

                          and you are right, there are much bigger issues to sort out than feeding americans television addiction...thats why this switch shouldn't be delayed--just so people can still watch TV

                          • 3 votes
                          #4.8 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:22 PM EST
                          slip

                          It amuses me that you blame the Democrats

                          It amuses me that you blame the Republicans for something happening under a new administration. Momo...James is saying its ridiculous this is even an issue; Skipster is saying that someone running for anything wants to leave a good impression on possible voters, which is true. The delay is the main issue here (not how you hate republicans)and the delay is Obama's answer to the number of people that haven't bothered upgrading or getting a converter. So... it is because of the demacrats that this is even an issue anymore. People who still want to watch t.v. past Feb. 17 should have been paying attention. You can't blame the government because of public stupidity in the first place really...

                          • 1 vote
                          #4.9 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 12:34 AM EST
                          dmd-433801

                          Momo - Do you even know how long this has been coming...about a Year and Half. People, including those 6.4 million Democrats, knew about it and waited until the last minute. Bottom line it is a tactic to show votes that the Democrats care, when all they really care about is taxing you more and spending more then they bring in. Oh an I know what you are thinking, there is a tax cut in the stimulus package. And you would be right, a whole 10 to 20 dollars a pay check you wil get to keep instead of having it withheld from your check...but wait it is tax savings or gotcha. Because they are not lowering the tax rate that you will when you file just the withholding rate that is being taken out of your check. It comes down to politics and the TV switch was not, for the Democrats of today, a sound call which is based solely on 6.4 million democrats that will not get to hear the message.

                          • 1 vote
                          #4.10 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:27 PM EST
                          Reply
                          William Whittemore

                          THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I was beginnig to think that you had a mental block there for a couple of weeks. I personally don't need the postponment but a lot of American do, So I'm speaking on their behalf. Not everyone can afford a converter box regardless of how long they have known about it. Two coupons per household is a joke and besides, the converter boxes should be FREE. The FCC and the broadcast companies are the ones making money from television broadcast, maybe not the FCC, but the FCC and the federal and local governments are using the freed up frequencies for their purpose and most of that is to make money.

                          • 8 votes
                          #5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:35 PM EST
                          CompUser

                          It's nice to see you really know what you're talking about - NOT! Why do you figure it's the taxpayers responsibility to make sure you're able to watch TV. Or didn't you realize the government doesn't have money to pay for things - taxpayers pay for things!

                          • 6 votes
                          #5.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:40 PM EST
                          Bob-434277

                          Why do it at all dickhead? Why should there be coupons at all? You a welfare baby?

                          • 7 votes
                          #5.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:42 PM EST
                          neddy-372632

                          The government wants the freed up analog bandwidth for police, emergency, etc. 99% of america doesn't even know what rabbit ears are on a TV...

                          • 3 votes
                          #5.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:56 PM EST
                          verno

                          I don't have the problem, but why should people who were getting tv for free, have to end up paying for it. Just to free up more bandwidth. Sounds like the profits will go to the broadcast people, but the viewers are the ones who support their sponsors, so why should they have to pay to watch?? When it has been next to free forever. And when they do get the converter box, unless they have one hell of a good antenna, they won't get a decent signal anyway.

                            #5.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:59 PM EST
                            Who cares-863958

                            Let me see if I understand this. Two cards per household is a joke and many people can't afford the converter boxes. So, many people can afford three televisions in one house hold but they cannot afford $10 to $30 dollars per converter box?

                            By gosh, you have convinced me!

                            (Sarcasm Mode off)

                            • 8 votes
                            #5.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:01 PM EST
                            bizloanman

                            What maybe we should give away free televisions also - how about a new HD TV 50 inch in every home.

                              #5.6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:05 PM EST
                              notunderage

                              Thank you. It is the most poor, and in reality, the most ill-informed, that do actually need additional time to make the conversion. Comcast has been doing a stellar job of misinforming people that they can do this by signing up for cable (an absolute lie -- they don't need to sign up for cable). Have some compassion for people who can't go out and buy the latest flat screen digital TV. With all the moaning and groaning about the financial crisis, and how every person has been affected in some way, realize that the analog people have been affected also. They simply can't afford it. Should they be punished because they are poor? I realize TV is not a costitutional right, but have some compassion people.

                              • 2 votes
                              #5.7 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:11 PM EST
                              CompUser

                              1 - "... but why should people who were getting tv for free, have to end up paying for it". You will still get TV for free, just with a digital converter box that will also be free unless you chose a model that costs more than $40.00. 2 - "Sounds like the profits will go to the broadcast people". The broadcast stations have spent millions of dollars converting to digital. Like all businesses, they need to make a profit to survive. (Unless they're a PBS station which is taxpayer supported.) 3 - "And when they do get the converter box, unless they have one hell of a good antenna, they won't get a decent signal anyway." If you got a decent signal with an antenna with analog, you will get a much better signal with digital. Digital is stronger and carries farther than analog.

                              • 3 votes
                              #5.8 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:12 PM EST
                              Carol-844557

                              know what you're talking about before you speak...we can get 4 channels on our t.v. now,,,we purchased a converter box (only one available in our rural area) for 30.00 over the coupon...200.00 for a new antennea...and know what we got? no signal...the digital signal is not as strong as the analog and you must have a clear directional line to the tower...no trees etc. pretty hard when you live in the sticks like many of us do. our whole area (about 300 homes) will have no access unless we buy a dish

                                #5.9 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:25 PM EST
                                letsKeepitReal-

                                Are you kidding. Why didn't you just buy a dish.

                                  #5.10 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:08 PM EST
                                  Glowing Amber

                                  I don't necessarily live way back in the sticks . But we do have a converter box and we can't even receive the local channels,( that we are currently accustom to viewing on analog ) with the unit . I've tried every direction that I can think of in turning our out-door antenna ,(to try an achieve the goal of receiving our local viewing channels ) ? And thus far with very negative results ! If you can't get what you are already enjoying on the current analog television ,(with a digital converter box )? Then what's the use of having them ? It's a total waste of tax-payers money as well as money out of your own pocket. I personally feel that the television industry , as well as our government should have solved this particular problem before making it mandatory that the general public make the change over from analog to digital !

                                    #5.11 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:16 PM EST
                                    The Original Mac

                                    The government is providing these coupons out of guilt. Although they will never admit it, there is no necessary reason to change the broadcasting system of TV as we now know it. yet they do. Why? Let me give it to you in crude street terms, Because someone with deep pockets, who is going to profit in the long run, is screwing this kitten. Congress is just holding it's head.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #5.12 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 3:19 AM EST
                                    dmd-433801

                                    Carol-844557 - Times are hard for those that live outside of a metro area. But what he is saying is true. The Digital signal is stronger and has a much farther reach. What you are saying is true as well the more thicket that is between you and the communication the less signal that makes it. if you live that far out you were lucky to get the 4 channels that you were getting. Nonetheless and meant with no disrespect, I dont want to pay for the cost of waiting on you or 6.4 million others. It is a waste of time and money and all for what, so that people with only 4 channels can have 4 channels that they probably rarely watch anyways...

                                    Glowing Amber - Why should advancing technology wait for you? Software does not wait for you upgrade your computer. They just publish the next wave and 85% of the world buys it while the others stay with there old equipment that will not function. You fail to remember that it is not the federal government or broadcasters problem that you cannot pick up the signal that is being broadcasted. It is time to move the technology forward so either get on board or dont but dont make me pay for your desire to stay in the dark ages of Television.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #5.13 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:41 PM EST
                                    Reply
                                    Skipster56-827353

                                    That's about as stupid as stupid can be. Congress delays until June 12th. How do they think. Someone please tell me. People have been on notice for 2 years, about changing over, and our "Stupid" Congress is going to give them 5 more months. They don't get it. If the people haven't changed over in 2 years, what makes them think they will change over in 5 more months? Oh! Wait. This must be part of the "change" our great President is talking about. Really!

                                    • 8 votes
                                    Reply#6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:35 PM EST
                                    William Whittemore

                                    If you are ready for the switch, how will it affect you? You just want something to cry about.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:39 PM EST
                                    CompUser

                                    The analog frequencies that the TV stations are now using have been sold to government agencise and other businesses to be used for other services after the switch has been made. Because the delay was approved, the government agencies and businesses who paid to use analog frequencies can't use them yet. Therefore, they have considerable overhead now that will be passed on to taxpayers and/or customers. That's why it effects those of us who are ready.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:53 PM EST
                                    mcfar73

                                    I affects me because I have to listen to 4 more months of explanation, which our tax dollars are paying for. Also, it is not fair for the ones who did their part--and all the advertising to this point, now useless. This is absolutely a waste of money. Put the money in HEALTH CARE. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:02 PM EST
                                    dmd-433801

                                    If you are ready for the switch, how will it affect you? You just want something to cry about.

                                    It wil affect you because another wave of taxpayer (you) dollars is going to have to go into funding coupons, and most likely bail out some of the broadcasters that were counting on the switch over. There is more at stake here then just people not being ready. All of the broadcasters have the same deadline and they forked out a lot of money to get there without coupons. Now you telling them 'well thanks for putting the rush on and paying 1000 of hours of overtime, but we (democrats in congress and white house) are going to give them (6.4 million people that have no clue in the first place) 5 more months. Now they have crews that they have to pay to stay on standby for the switch for an additional 5 months not to mention they could have spread that overtime into regular time...but hey you dont care about them because they make a lot of money. Well millions of people work for them too and if they take a hit you better believe that those millions of people are going to take a hit...watch and see, they will be laying off employees if the president signs this moronic bill.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.4 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:47 PM EST
                                    Reply
                                    CompUser

                                    I've said it before, I'll say it again. TV stations have been telling people of this change over for nearly two years already. If people aren't prepared by now, they won't be prepared on June 12th either, because they'll procrastinate until the day they turn on the TV and it doesn't work. It doesn't matter if that day is February 17th or June 12th, but in the mean time the delay will cost businesses a lot of money.

                                    • 9 votes
                                    Reply#7 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:36 PM EST
                                    Bob-434277

                                    This is sort of like the fools that couldn't get out of New Orleans with 4 days notice that Katrina was coming. They could have had 4 years notice and the same number would have left.

                                    • 9 votes
                                    #7.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:40 PM EST
                                    notunderage

                                    That's so Christian of you.

                                      #7.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:12 PM EST
                                      CompUser

                                      notunderage - it's not a matter of being Christian or not. It's a matter of taking responsibility for yourself.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #7.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:18 PM EST
                                      I'm not perfect

                                      I'm pretty much a Democrat.

                                      And this embarasses the heck out of me.

                                      Sheesh Mr Prez, congress: GOVERN, DON'T BABYSIT!!

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #7.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:45 PM EST
                                      Jan-864615

                                      I agree 100%. Do the switch-people will wake up and move on this. It's been explained over and over for a year or so now. You use an antenna, need a converter box. You have cable or satelitte, you need to do nothing! Sounds simple to me! Some stations are going ahead anyway-so be ready to be in the dark, June 12th won't make a difference, maybe 3 more people out of 1000 will wake up by then.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #7.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:29 PM EST
                                      rrudy

                                      I was informed that because of the change to digital my cable bill will be increased. Seems that was not included in the ads for the change to digital. Seems the only thing people are screaming here about is Obama is wanting to extend the time line. Anyone wonder how that affects their cable bill? When you are on a fixed income, NOT WELFARE!!< but in this crap economy that the Bush administration has left Obama with . The cable companies are subjected to increase rates because of the Bush administrations demands of changing to digital! The last thing people that are struggling financially is another demand of the government to increase the cable bill. I work my fourty hours, scrimp and do what I can to just make even, and then the government wants to add to my bill. That happend by the Republicans way of thinking, (trickle down?)

                                        #7.6 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 3:16 AM EST
                                        dmd-433801

                                        rrudy - watch up it was not the Bush Administration it was Congress, which I might add was a majority Democrat. So he who throws stones should make sure his house is not made of glass. Second the broadcast companys have been screaming about this for years, and the federal goverment final found a need for the analog so they agreed to it. Get over your Obamanation vs Bush Almighty (no contest Bush wins), Bush lowered your taxes, Obama is going to let the tax fall when it comes up for renewal which will cause a tax rate increase without him even having to do anything not to mention he is going to provide a tax withholding rate decrease but keep the tax filing rate the same. If you absolutely don't believe, please do all your homework before responding.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #7.7 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:56 PM EST
                                        Reply
                                        booboo13alright

                                        There is one stipulation to the new passing of this bill. It is now OPTIONAL for broadcasters to make the switch. The broadcasters can still cut off analog transmission on the original cut-off date, if they so choose. I hope "about 85 %" of the broadcasters switch over on Feb. 17/

                                        • 7 votes
                                        Reply#8 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:36 PM EST
                                        Bob-434277

                                        I hope they all F'n cut them off.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #8.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST
                                        William Whittemore

                                        BooBoo the CLOWN is it?

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #8.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:39 PM EST
                                        booboo13alright

                                        William the Whitehead is it?

                                          #8.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:45 PM EST
                                          Jay-453645

                                          What's with the CLOWN references? They are simply stating a fact. This changeover has been in the news for 2 years. Just because 6% of the population is too lazy to get their subsidized converter boxes, why should the other 85% (counting the 9% who are "partially ready") be penalized for doing what they needed to do to keep getting free tv?

                                          Maybe we should have delayed the inauguration because 48% of the poulation DIDN'T vote for Osama Obama and don't want him in office yet. You should agree with that by your line of logic "Willie the Whiner" is it?

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #8.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:53 PM EST
                                          Honest Spud

                                          William W is a nut cake. He would be lost if he didn't have his soap operas to watch and his medicine.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #8.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:58 PM EST
                                          Chris-864804

                                          Why do I have to be punished and wait longer to get my HDTV over air. I don't have cable service, because I get all I need over air and through internet TV. I love the DTV that I get, and with the switchover, I can expect another 10 stations in crystal clear quality. But now I have to wait, because slow Joe minority didn't get his converter boxes on time, the first time around.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #8.6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST
                                          Reply
                                          tim-580939

                                          What the hell does civil rights have to do with digital tv and why is the gov't paying for this

                                          • 4 votes
                                          Reply#9 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:36 PM EST
                                          Sherman Burlingame

                                          I think that it is a crying shame that the President is focusing his attention to this stupid issue when there are much more significant issues that we need to take care of in this country. Why doesn't he start taking care of these issues instead of reading to the school kids and worrying about who can watch TV. I think it is pitiful and so far he's not impressed me on his ability to turn this country around. It looks to me as though he's already tired of being in the White House since he already needs a break. Boooo Obama!!!!! Terrible job.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          Reply#10 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:37 PM EST
                                          William Whittemore

                                          It's not about how he's doing his job? He's demonstrated some pretty dumb moves so far, I agree. I think the converter boxes should be free to the American people. I frees up frequencies for other things that the federal and local governments can use. That's it. If you're ready for the change then what's the BIG DEAL? You just want something to bitch about and if it's how the president is running this country then you need to post someplace else. Believe me, there's plenty of places to voice your opinion about that.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #10.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:44 PM EST
                                          verno

                                          William, I agree 100%, if people are forced to switch, then they should be provided free converters. They didn't ask for this. I am not one of those people, but I do feel for them. And some of it is not due to laziness, but they cannot afford the cost. If they don't have a coupon then these things cost over $100 which some people don't have.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #10.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:03 PM EST
                                          Karma-667522

                                          Sherman....And what was Bush doing while planes were flying into the twin towers...reading to school kids for a good half hour after being informed of the attack. I'm sure this is not President Obama's priority and it certainly wasn't the idea for converter boxes wasn't launched on his watch. If people want to watch tv they will get converter boxes. It's amazing what people can afford when they want it. I had a post above if anyone read it; I meant to say the O administration did NOT foist this conversion on us as the implementation date was set well over a year ago.

                                            #10.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:32 PM EST
                                            DRobJr

                                            WW, so you want free converter boxes? The converter boxes are made of materials that the manufacturing company HAS TO PURCHASE and then SPEND LABOR to ASSEMBLE. They are not going to do it for FREE. Then the boxes have to go to a store to be sold, oh by the way there are costs associated with stocking, inventory mgmt, and taking up shelf space that they could otherwise use. The store is not going to do this for FREE.

                                            So, if these two main sources should not be expected to take a loss for FREE converter boxes, where do you suppose the money comes from to make them FREE? Let me tell you...those that actually pay taxes (top 50% of income earners). That is not exactly FREE then is it?

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #10.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:03 PM EST
                                            Reply
                                            Phil; Texas

                                            Brilliant; right as we go into hurricane season, we all have to have multiple boxes, all requiring power, to watch TV & find out whats happening with the storm

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#11 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:37 PM EST
                                            William Whittemore

                                            Finally, someone that sheds light on the subject. Thank you.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #11.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:45 PM EST
                                            William Whittemore

                                            You still don't have power for your tv unless it runs off DC.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:08 PM EST
                                            r_ferg

                                            i would recommend a battery powered weather radio.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:11 PM EST
                                            FrankBrind

                                            TV's also require power.... there are some battery powered ones, but that must surely be a very very low %. If TV is a critical necessity for a given situation then your disaster recovery planning should include an investment in a generator. That end user investment would not cover a loss of power or facilities that may actually affect the broadcast infrastructure.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #11.4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:14 PM EST
                                            Jake-488375

                                            Phil in Texas, who cares if the converter box doesnt work because neither will your TV. By a radio and some batteries.

                                              #11.5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:34 PM EST
                                              Corie

                                              That's an interesting point. I have a small black and white TV that can run on batteries whenever my power goes out. I bought it so I can watch emergency broadcasts during storms & see maps of how close dangers are to my home. Now I will be able to use it during emergencies, so long as my power doesn't go out. Is the government going to bankrupt all companies whose primary product is battery-operated TVs, or simply provide us with extra-long power cables so we can take them on picnics?

                                              Are we going to be offered solar-powered converter boxes? There are still people in the USA that are too far away from power lines to have electricity. Believe it or not, new wood cooking stoves and kerosene lamps are still being made for American families who need them, since the families do not have electricity. Many of those families count on battery powered TV's to get their daily news.

                                              What I found funny was until lately, TV stations said the government was changing over to digital to provide us all with nicer pictures. Now we find that one of the top reasons was so the government could sell all those old frequencies to the highest bidder (whichever country/corporation bids the highest for each). What's the matter, aren't they already getting lots of money from the taxpayers and broadcast fees? If they want to save money, why don't they simply quit paying all those millions of dollars ($400 million a year) to finance public TV? I don't like taxes being spent for a bunch of British TV shows, endless repeats of Nova shows, Antique Roadshow episodes, repeated lengthy telethons to request even more money, etc.

                                              The HD converters were not available in my area until the last part of last year. One of the few places we can get one here today is Walmart (or Radio Shack, if you want to spend even more money). Walmart said if I buy one from them, I should buy another antenna since neither of my rabbit ears will work correctly on them.

                                              Many families cannot afford to pay for whatever the coupon does not cover and pay for a new antenna. If they had that extra money, they probably could afford cable.

                                              I have not yet bought a box. I don't know which one to buy. The one the Walmart employee suggested has some bad reviews. I don't want to buy one, then have it quit as soon as the 1-year warranty runs out. Why can't any company make a piece of government-mandated (for all who do not have cable/satellite service) equipment that is expected to last for more than a year? Will I be expected to pay 50-80 dollars very year to replace converter box that quit working? Is this part of the 'help the economy' plan - to keep converter box companies feeding at the trough, feeding off the people who cannot afford cable?

                                              Right now, I get 2 television stations from Seattle clearly on my black and white - from about 178 miles away. I get 3 stations, not all that clearly, on my color TV from Spokane, abt 105 miles away. Reviews on the antennas say they might be able to get stations as far away as 65 miles. Once I finally figure out which converter box to buy, will I get stations from Spokane (my closest stations)? I asked FCC's office and was told they had no idea & to just use my coupon to buy one and find out.

                                              I'm an elderly lady who is on a limited budget. I cannot afford another antenna, nor can I afford an outside antenna. Neither can I afford to pay lots of money to get a converter box that has mostly good reviews.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #11.6 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:31 PM EST
                                              aqua surf

                                              I don't mind paying for the converter boxes so much as listening to Public Television crying for funds. Hey, I paid for the TV so the shows should be free. I dropped cable when they went up again on their prices four years ago. Why would anyone pay fifty bucks a month just to have 100 more stations of unwatchable crap?

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #11.7 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:11 PM EST
                                              kat-871933

                                              when I moved out of my parents home, I could pay my rent and utilities and buy food. And had to be very careful in order to be able to do that. I sometimes had to work more than one job to do it, but that was *my* responsibility.

                                              I couldn't afford a phone (I walked to the corner to use a pay phone when I needed to), and I certainly couldn't afford a TV or cable or any of that.

                                              I had a radio. And if the power went out, I put batteries in it. Same as my flashlights and battery operated lamps.

                                              Having a TV (or a phone, or a car, or, or, or....) is *not* a constitutional right. These items are luxuries. No one was breaking my door down to give me a phone or a tv or fix my car for free when it broke down and I had to rely on public transportation or the hellp of pals to get somewhere.

                                              But I managed. And I learned responsibility for myself, and not to sit back and expect things to be handed to me. If I was lazy, I did without. If I wanted something I worked and saved for it. If I had extra, I shared with family and friends.

                                              I have nicer things now because I learned early to rely on myself and work for them!

                                              I sure didn't want to feel like any politician was 'buying' my support because they were giving out goods all the time. Free stuff isn't. It all comes out of someone's taxes.

                                              If the money was going to really improve our educational system (whole 'nother rant there!), emergency services, or to people who really need a short term boost (not those lazy jerks that sit on their leather sofas watching soaps and collecting welfare all day), I can get behind that.

                                              But all the tax money down the drain for a delay in rolling out a program everyone has known was coming for ages?! When a TV is not a necessity of life at all?? Puh-leeze.. No one *needs* a TV.......

                                              Get back to the big picture. Create some jobs, keep more of our business in our own country, start tightening up on some belts and watching where that money is going!! There is so much waste in gov't spending, it's ridiculous.

                                                #11.8 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:09 AM EST
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                                                Sean-863852

                                                If you have watched more than 30 minutes of TV in the last 2 years and you didn't know about the conversion, you have to be blind or something! How many commercials or scrolling texts do they have to provide before it is common knowledge? Whomever thinks they need to get cable or sattelite are just ignorant, refer to the first sentece.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#12 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:37 PM EST
                                                Bob-434277

                                                What a crock. Idiots have known for years that this is coming. Duh. Endless, annoying public service announcments. Now 5 more months of the crap because just like public schools, we have to dumb down the whole freakin nation. Thank you Mr. FBP.

                                                • 5 votes
                                                Reply#13 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST
                                                free2speak

                                                I still cannot understand how the program can be out of money, when there are 14 million expired cards out that cannot not be redeemed nor will they reissue a card. I feel that expired cards should be honored, especially for the elderly that did not fully understand the program or did they know there was a 90 day expiration date.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#14 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST
                                                beachgirl-863937

                                                I got a couple of the coupons, but then didn't look at them and when I started to shop for a box, I realized they were expired. How dumb that they had expiration dates! I don't have the money to just go buy a box!

                                                • 4 votes
                                                #14.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:56 PM EST
                                                FrankBrind

                                                Around a year or so ago, I recall some boxes selling for $40. Same ones now are $49. Interesting.. you usually see the prices of electronics drop over time. Some folks I know got the coupons even though they did not need them. Some techies wanted to play with the box or just use the case and power supply as a toy for other projects. How much do you actually think the boxes cost to make? $5 ?? The manufacturers, distributors and retail side had a government hand out of $40 and then they jack up their profit by another $10.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #14.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:30 PM EST
                                                F Farnon

                                                Hey, let's not forget that other industry, that bastion of fragrance.....the perfume game?Talk about profits there but that isn't being forced down our throats with this Big Brother game going on is it?

                                                It's not money that is the root of all evil. It is the LOVE of money.

                                                  #14.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:45 PM EST
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                                                  JIM D-816045Deleted
                                                  Tony-863863

                                                  If you are so stupid that you can't figure it out, or ask someone for help.. You don't need a Television, you need a little more education! and 5 more months will not be enough.. People who have not figured it out, will still wait until the last minunte even if you move it up three more years...

                                                  This date keeps getting moved! America isn't that stupid, make the change and people will eventually figure it out.. It may make them get off their butts, but they will be forced to learn! When did owning a TV become a mandatory thing? Another fews months will only hurt the ecomony and other businesses.. Make the change and lets move on..... PLEAAAAAAASE!

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  Reply#16 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:40 PM EST
                                                  tyler

                                                  #15 deleted, was:

                                                  NOT READY PEOPLE!!!!!!!THEY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR 4YEARS

                                                  THEY BLAME IT ON OLD PEOPLE

                                                  WHATA JOKE I BLAME ON THE NIG-

                                                  Yeah, naturally followed by a lot of users calling JIM D-816045 names. JIM D-816045, if you're only going to do this, leave. I hope you can get better.

                                                  Those who responded with 'clown' and 'racist' and 'ass' - follow #1 of the Code of Honor.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #16.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:37 PM EST
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                                                  Don C. Schenectady, NY

                                                  I have an antenna. I recieve digital signal but even with an amplifier can not even get all the local stations. People should know that with digital, there is no such thing as a snowy picture, there's just no picture at all. Cable? No, perhaps I won't watch any TV at all. I read books instead. No commercials!

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  Reply#17 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                  Corie

                                                  My color TV gets only snowy pictures with an indoor antenna. Does that mean I shouldn't bother getting a converter box for it?

                                                    #17.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:50 PM EST
                                                    SuperiorMan

                                                    Corie,

                                                    You will have to get an outdoor antenna. And if you get a snowy picture you must live a ways away from the T.V. stations towers. You will need a large digital antenna, or you will not get a picture at all. If picture is too weak, the picture will just freeze up and go blank.

                                                      #17.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:16 PM EST
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                                                      nibornoswal

                                                      This don't seem right to me.Why would the gov care about if we get good picture or signals.And then giving us a coupon for it?Seems like a cover story for something else.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      Reply#18 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                      Bob-434277

                                                      They want you to have good reception for the propaganda they will be feeding the masses on a daily basis.

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      #18.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:43 PM EST
                                                      William Whittemore

                                                      You hit the nail on the head. The boxes should be free to all Americans or to anone with a tv. That way the broadcast companies and everyone else involved can make money from us. Who' going to pay your electric bill for the converter box consumption. If you are ready for the conversion, why do even care? You just want to bitch about something. P>

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #18.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:51 PM EST
                                                      verno

                                                      Because they are the ones that passed the bill that said the switch has to be made. So they feel like they must do something.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #18.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:10 PM EST
                                                      abby-865586

                                                      It's the US government perpetrating a scam on behalf of China. Where were the new TVs and converter boxes manufactured? China. The cable/satellite companies probably threw in some kickbacks also since some people will be forced to subscribe just to get any TV at all.

                                                        #18.4 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST
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                                                        C. D. West

                                                        As usual, those who did what they were supposed to do, when they were supposed to do it, are being punished (by not having the service they were promised and made the effort to be ready for) so that the small minority of other people will not suffer for their own inaction.

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        Reply#19 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                        RScottyL

                                                        GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! I will be frustrated if this passes, which it looks like it will! Everyone has been advertising this date for the longest time. If you are not ready, then you need to leard how to stop procratinating. The boxes are as cheap as $50! you should have been ready earlier!

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#20 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                        William Whittemore

                                                        Get over it whine ass.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #20.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:53 PM EST
                                                        verno

                                                        $50 is cheap if you have $50 of loose money. Some of these people would have to go without food or medicine to come up with the $50. Some people just don't realize that. But also if they are given more time they still probably won't be able to come up with the money. But I do feel for them.

                                                          #20.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:12 PM EST
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                                                          GinnyA715

                                                          Oh what great news...for the S L O W people. LOL!!!

                                                          Beat the Drum s l o w l y, Mr. Prez!!

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          Reply#21 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:42 PM EST
                                                          William Whittemore

                                                          Now we have GINNY THE CLOWN.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #21.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:54 PM EST
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                                                          Montana Hick-84

                                                          Great now we have to be bombarded with more get ready  for the switch comercials.

                                                          I am sick of hearing about the switch, if you have not prepaired by now screw you.

                                                          I bet the T.V. stations are behind this to sell more advertising.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          Reply#22 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:42 PM EST
                                                          Skipster56-827353

                                                          The stations is definitely NOT behind this one. It's going to cost them millions to hold out 5 more months, because the have to deal with routing a separate analogue signal.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #22.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:46 PM EST
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                                                          raj-tjr-1

                                                          What about the people that are ready? it's not fare to them!! People should stop dragging their feet. If they are not ready yet they never will be. I say stay with Feb.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          Reply#23 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:42 PM EST
                                                          William Whittemore

                                                          If you are ready then what's the big deal?

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #23.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:55 PM EST
                                                          puppy-864138

                                                          The big deal, dear William, is that the people who are, and have prepared for this change over to digital, have to support the lazy and/or cheap people mooching off of the hardworking taxpayers of America... I am sure that even a Welfare recipient could have saved $1.00 per month over the past 4 years. That $48.00 could have purchased at least two converter boxes! But no, it is easier to have someone hand you something, because you are "underprivileged", than to actually strive for something!!!

                                                            #23.2 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 9:29 AM EST
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                                                            Jeffrey-652428

                                                            Some people are too stupid to connect the converter to their television but are still allowed to vote.

                                                            • 4 votes
                                                            Reply#24 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:43 PM EST
                                                            Bob-434277

                                                            And even worse, they can breed more of themselves!

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #24.1 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:44 PM EST
                                                            verno

                                                            No, some people can't afford to connect them to their Tv's. Get a grip.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #24.2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:13 PM EST
                                                            verno

                                                            "And even worse, they can breed more of themselves! And what is the end result?" YOU????

                                                              #24.3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:14 PM EST
                                                              Bob-434277

                                                              Hey dumbo, once you have your paid for by others converter box it doesn't cost anything to hook it up. So perhaps you should get a grip. And please don't breed. We have enough welfare babies already.

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              #24.4 - Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:36 AM EST
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                                                              FanDog

                                                              What a bunch of crap!! Mark my word, before it is over, they will be giving away the converter-boxes AND TV's to all of the holdouts!

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              Reply#25 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:43 PM EST
                                                              Skipster56-827353

                                                              The biggest problem is the 23 of us in here can't be heard by the Government. we are silenced by the NYT's. Just a venting room. Nite everyone. God Bless America.

                                                                Reply#26 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:44 PM EST
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