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Recession leaves many working in limbo

Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:34 AM EST
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msnbc.com News — By Allison Linn

Patty Powers of Ontario, California, lived for weeks with the expectation of being laid off, and felt relief when it finally happened.

— The morning after she lost her job, Patty Powers expected to wake up with that feeling of dread you get when you realize that something bad has happened, like a death in the family.

Instead, she felt relief.

“I almost felt like a new opportunity had opened up for me,” she said. “I really felt worse when I was waiting.”

For months, Powers had gone to work knowing there would be little if any work for her to do because of a steep slowdown in business at the health care consultancy where she worked.

At first, her boss used the lull to encourage employees to take additional training. The staff also took on a pro bono case and was encouraged to seek out other potential business leads. In their copious downtime, they sent around computer games to play.

Toward the end, Powers said her boss literally gave her the assignment of updating her resume. Finally he called her into his office and, in an emotional hour-long meeting, told her he would have to let her go.

It was only after that that the Ontario, Calif., resident realized how hard it had been to go to work every day knowing that it might be her last — or might not.

“I really didn’t know how stressful it was until I got laid off,” said Powers, 50. “It was like a hindsight thing.”

The economic recession has pushed hundreds of thousands of Americans into a similar  employment limbo, still holding on to a job but worried that they might lose it any day.

U.S. companies announced plans to lay off 241,749 workers in January alone, the largest monthly total since January of 2002, according to data from outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas. The pace of job cuts hasn’t abated much in February, either, with companies such as General Motors announcing plans to cut thousands more jobs over the next year.

It can often take months for companies to complete a massive layoff, leading to a nerve-racking period in which workers are left to wonder whether they will be targeted, and anxious to defend their position.

Of course, no one relishes the thought of the unemployment line, and the nation’s soaring jobless rate has left many laid-off workers unable to find a new job at all, let alone one that is comparable to their old one.

Still, for some the most stressful part is the ambiguity of not knowing if, or when, they will be joining the swelling ranks of the unemployed.

“The condition of uncertainty is sometimes actually worse than actually knowing that you’re going to get laid off,” said Leon Grunberg, a professor of comparative sociology at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, Wash., who has studied downsizing extensively.

His research showed that people who were fearful of losing their jobs but hadn’t lost them yet were more likely to suffer symptoms of poor health, such as headaches, indigestion and sleep disorders.

The widespread fear of layoffs, combined with an absence of any concrete information, also can have a deep impact on both morale and productivity, as workers find it hard to keep their minds on their jobs amid rumors about who could be next and anxiety over what will happen if they are the ones to get the pink slip.

‘Just a matter of time’
Every payday for the last two months, Jackie Hopkins has watched as some of her co-workers have been let go. And every payday, she’s wondered if she will be next.

“I know it’s just a matter of time,” she said.

The 40-year-old purchasing supervisor for a manufacturing company already has had both her wages and hours cut as the slowing economy has led to a drop in business.

Hopkins' fears are compounded by the fact that her husband, a welder, has been unemployed since October 2007. The couple lost their home of five years to foreclosure and are currently renting a trailer in Bremen, Ohio, and trying to save money wherever they can.

The situation has left her riddled with anxiety, worried about doing her best at work and consumed at home with looking at job sites and wondering how she will pay her bills and keep food on the table.

“This is something that consumes my whole life,” she said. “It’s all I think about.”

Hopkins said one of the hardest parts is that she actually has always loved her job, which she has held for nearly eight years, and would never have thought of leaving. Even now she is trying to keep her morale up despite her worries about her own future.

“You try to let the company know that yeah, you’re rooting for them and everything else, but deep down inside it’s like, ‘Oh my God, what am I going to do when I’m on the unemployment line?’ ” she said.

Many workers who still have jobs say they nevertheless are planning for the possibility that they won’t.

Scott Ho, a 29-year-old designer for an architecture firm, figures that if he gets laid off his best chance for finding new employment will be to transition to a career in transportation, but he knows that could take time. The Monterey Park, Calif., resident recently moved back in with his parents so he can save money and pay off debts.

He originally had planned on making that move to save up for a house, but after his company laid off some workers, he said, “now it looks more like it’s a matter of survival.”

Many workers also worry about what will happen to the people they serve if they are let go. Tricia Henington has worked as a school nurse in Idaho since 1992, doing everything from helping students with insulin shots to administering feeding tubes.

Now, with the state facing a budget crunch, she’s worried that her job may be on the chopping block.

Henington said she’s sympathetic to the school district’s budget woes, and she doesn’t want to see academics and extracurricular activities cut, even if it means she loses her job instead. Still, she said that without her position, parents and teachers might have to take on her responsibilities, adding to their burdens and stresses.

On a personal level, Henington also worries that if she loses her job she’ll have to go back to school to update her skills for other nursing work. At 52, she doesn’t relish the thought of retraining for a new job when she had hoped to retire in her current one. Perusing the job listings, Henington also frets about whether she’ll be able to find a new job that provides benefits for herself and her husband, a rancher.

There are days, she admits, when she wakes up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work and wonders why she even bothers.

“It’s hard to go to work and put on that happy, cheery face when you know, come July, you may get that letter saying you haven’t been renewed,” she said.

Hard to move on
Being in limbo also makes is hard to move on to a new job — assuming there is one in this difficult economy.

For one thing, it’s hard to find the time to search, or train, for a new job when you are already dealing with the workload of a full-time job.

There are other distractions as well. Powers, the computer programmer, said she felt like a traitor to consider new jobs while her boss was still paying her despite the evident slowdown in business.

Now that she is officially unemployed and starting her job search, she said she feels sorry for her former co-workers.

“I’m sure it’s worse for them because they have both the stress of thinking that they’re next, and the guilt of being the ones that didn’t get laid off,” she said.

While layoffs create anxiety for workers, Grunberg’s research showed that the process also can be extremely difficult for the managers who are charged with carrying out the job cuts.

Fred Smith has been in the business of building fences since 1982 and has owned his most recent business since 2004. But in recent months, he’s seen business slow considerably and also has been stuck with unpaid bills from customers who have gone bankrupt. That’s left him no choice but to lay off 19 workers for the first time.

He called it “the hardest thing in the world.”

“There’s been a lot of tears shed just for the people I’ve had to let go,” he said. “It’s devastating because they don’t know how they’re going to pay their bills.”

Smith, who runs Accurate Fence LLC in Buford, Ga., also has had to cut pay for his salaried employees, and he is trying desperately to keep the workers he has left busy enough to collect a paycheck. He said it’s tough to see how worried his employees are that they could be next.

“They’re wanting to do extra, go extra just to keep from losing their jobs, but right now the jobs are just not coming in,” he said.

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Puck2u

I imagine a lot of people would love to be working in limbo, or anywhere for that matter.

  • 8 votes
#1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:15 AM EST
J. Hicks

I've been in that position, and it's just as horrible - believe it or not - especially when you literally have no work to complete. The days just drag on and on - it's not a fun place to be.

Of course, I was let go as well - and just the waiting and wondering when it was going to happen was torture. Now what I want to know is all this talk about re-training people. How is it that the government plans to do this? Are we expected to go back to college? Where's the money going to come from?

Corporate America did this to themselves, and it's the American middle class that's paying the price. Get rid of the foreign employees and bring back offshored American jobs - that would solve half the problem of getting Americans back to work. Why doesn't the government see this is beyond me?

  • 18 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:08 AM EST
gimmehummus

Its true. It was horrible sitting at work doing nothing but wondering when I'd be let go. Well it happened and now four months later I'm still unemployed. It was a relief when I was finally laid off (I hated that job and had been looking for a new one for a year) but now its been replaced with a new worry - how am I going to pay my rent when my unemployment runs out? When are things going to turn around? When will I get that phone call for an interview? Its non-stop stress. Good luck to all of you out there affected by this.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM EST
Republicans Sold AmericaDeleted
ClintHorace

Boy that Bin Laden is one powerful guy!

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM EST
jc-886501

Honestly, this story made me sick. These people STILL had/have a job. Whether or not they felt worried or agonized about losing that job cannot possibly compare to the amount of agony and despair that those who have been laid off - often not knowing how they'll make it through the week, or provide for their family. Be grateful everyday that you HAVE a job.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:47 AM EST
Puck2u

J. Hicks...You can blame corporate America if you want. And they may deserve some blame I guess. But if you really want to know what is wrong and why there are no jobs look no further than your driveway, or your neighbors. We are not buying our own products, we buy everything from foreign producers. And by doing that, how do you propose to have a job, or ever find another one?No, the American people have caused their own demise. If you want to get America back on track then start buying products manufactured by American companies. It is our only way out of this. No amount of stimulus can provide the jobs we need as our manufacturing base can provide. But to create those jobs we HAVE TO buy their product. End of story.

  • 8 votes
#1.6 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:53 AM EST
Angie-391816

Ok, time for a Valentine's day Brasilian chocolate thigh shake...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoaTl7IcFs8

hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, HEY MAMA!!!

    #1.7 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:00 AM EST
    BCarpenter

    Corporate America did this to themselves, and it's the American middle class that's paying the price. Get rid of the foreign employees and bring back offshored American jobs - that would solve half the problem of getting Americans back to work. Why doesn't the government see this is beyond me?

    It's not that they don't see it, it's just that making the most profit they possibly can is still their top priority, no matter how bad an effect it has on our country.

    I agree with what you're saying, but if the working middle classed American was important to anyone high enough to matter, then they wouldn't have allowed businesses to flee our workers they way they have.

    The money system is failing on a global level. It seems that the American Indians were right all along...

    • 4 votes
    #1.8 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:17 AM EST
    rocket dad

    J.Hicks, Gimme, ya know, I'd lay you off too if all you did was "sit around all day doing nothing and wondering when you'd be let go". The cream rises to the top & you sound like the piece of crud that sinks to the bottom.

    • 5 votes
    #1.9 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:17 AM EST
    Aunj

    I agree, I would love to be in limbo... I find it hard to compare that "the hardest part is not knowing"... NO the hardest part is being unemployed since April of 2008 with 16 years experience, an amazing resume and not being abe to find a job answering phones and filing ---- and on top of that degredation I have no idea where my next check will come from. The stimulus package is not advertising what it does for emergency unemployment - so I believe next week is my last check... The hardest part is wondering what on earth does someone do when they cannot find work and their unemployment is going to stop at the whim of politicians. I am about to have zero income... How can I find a job if I lose my car... these are things those in "limbo" don't have to worry about quite yet.

    • 4 votes
    #1.10 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:10 PM EST
    greg-367337

    What gets me is that the people that caused this with their derivitives are walking away with the money dripping from their pockets. They should be prosecuted for fraud for passing these securities as AAA rated, but they apparently got away with it. I have absolutely no confidence in this system because of this, and no patriotic feelings left for this country. America only exists as a free cheating ground for the rich and that's it. Our leaders knew about this and did nothing. This was a betrayal of the highest degree.

    • 4 votes
    #1.11 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:12 PM EST
    Karma-667522

    Angie, thanks for making my day. Some joy and lightness in a time of need. Others check out her link. You will smile and dance. Happy V Day!

      #1.12 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:32 PM EST
      Craig Duckett

      I work for a computer tech hardware company in Redmond, Washington (not Microsoft) that's headquartered in Alabama. When they decided to close our whole division to consolidate resources, last June they gave us eight-months notice with the promise of severance and a small sticking-around-to-the-end bonus. Now, seven-and-a-half months ago the economy hadn't yet tanked, but watching it go downhill these many months while knowing we'd be out-of-work at the end of February has been rather stressful to say the least. We've got two weeks to go and the wait has grown unbearable...

      • 1 vote
      #1.13 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:43 PM EST
      Lkessler

      I can actually relate to the feeling of dread--and then to the feeling of relief when it happens. It's as if you can finally focus on something that will actually be productive, instead of going to your job and pretending, the whole time, that you're busy when you're not.

      It's truly a relief when it does happen, I should know.

      • 2 votes
      #1.14 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:30 PM EST
      J. Hicks

      Puck2u - why do you think we don't buy American made products? It's because corporate America has taken all our manufacturing overseas. When was the last time you walked through a store - any store - and picked up products and looked at the "Made in ????" label? My husband and I did it recently just out of curiosity. Guess what, we were in a Rite Aid Drug Store - virtually every item we picked up was made anywhere besides the United States. We couldn't have spent $100.00 in that store purchasing American made products.

      So, not to be mean spirited, but you're wrong. Americans didn't do this to ourselves. Corporate America did this to us. And it started at least 20 years ago. It's just reached it's climax - the bottom has fallen out - it's time for corporate America to pay the grim reaper for all their misdeeds.

      • 3 votes
      #1.15 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:09 PM EST
      jamick

      all these people with with no jobs,the government better watch out or unemployed people will start organizing their own "grass roots campaign,won't that be interesting,TAKE AMERICA BACK!!!!!!!

        #1.16 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:40 PM EST
        1 number from the powerball

        do not worry the republicans have a tax cut for you

        • 1 vote
        #1.17 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:03 AM EST
        Amy-458412Deleted
        Munsta Boy

        Typically to obtain retraining you would have to go through the unemployment agency within your area to sign up. You have to have certain qualification criteria met such as "been looking for a job for the last 6 months and am unsuccessful". Talk to them about the specifics of getting signed up for job retraining so you can get on a waiting list. Typically what happens is you have a general meeting to go over the retraining courses offered in new careers. They could range anywhere from IT to medical to airlines to manufacturing to construction to professional. Once you find another career you would like to persue you have to schedule to meet again with a counselor to go over how serious you are about your choice. If you fail here to convince them, they will write you a "so sorry charlie letter" rejection. However, if you are serious during the interview process and persue this with enthusiasm, your a shoe in for the training. They are required to use whatever facility they can find that will take the goverment's money to put you through school. Be it a technical school with hands on (a favorite of the gov), or a community college. They will find them for you. All you have to do is pick out a career path you are intrested in attending. Be committed to it.

        It works great. I've had many friends go through it and they led successful careers in IT, medical, and dental. You have to go through the training to completion otherwise if you start skipping or missing they will cut off the funding based on your attendance record and they will never ever help you again. So know before you go to the counselor what career path you truly want and they will do everything in their power based on your seriousness to get you the training you need to succeed. For them, every person they have as a success story creates a new taxpayer for the government. So this is how the goverment is investing in you in hopes you will get back to work so they can receive income taxes again. Good Luck!

        • 2 votes
        #1.19 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:26 AM EST
        Puck2u

        J Hicks, you are WRONG. Americans not buying the products we produce has caused the collapse of our industries, and now our country. You can think I am wrong, but as the country continues to decline it will become much clearer to you. And when we once again take pride in our country and what we produce, only thenwill we pull ourselves out of this mess WE created. Now go back to sleep, you are the problem and not the solution.

        Dillon Thomas wrote " There are none so blind as those who will not see, or deaf as those who will not hear".

          #1.20 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:05 AM EST
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          AfricanMadman

          What kills me is when these people find another job, only to be laid-off from it weeks later....

          It's nuts....

          • 1 vote
          Reply#2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:02 AM EST
          J. Hicks

          I've seen this happen as well. I, myself, lost two jobs in less than one year for this very reason. It really clutters up a person's resume. And worse yet, there are no full time jobs anymore. In my business sector, information systems, the only work available is contract work - for 3 months, 6 months, etc. Yet, every employer wants to see years of experience with this or that particular application. How is that supposed to happen in this sort of work environment.

          In fact, in information systems, full time jobs started disappearing long before the current depression. We can thank offshoring, outsourcing, and bringing in foreigners to take our jobs for this. I'm angry with corporate America and the finance industry. I'm just as angry with our government for turning the other cheek and allowing these greedy CEO's to send our jobs overseas.

          • 5 votes
          #2.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:11 AM EST
          AfricanMadman

          Plus it hurts your chances of getting Unemployment...

          At my last job, i had to take them to court to get my benefits

          • 2 votes
          #2.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:16 AM EST
          Roland-320510

          Resume fraud is going to be on the rise. Pick companies that have gone out of business and there is no good way good to check. It's not a "right" thing to do, but it is another survival mechanism in a economy that is shedding jobs faster that the trees shed leaves in autumn.

          • 1 vote
          #2.3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:54 AM EST
          Republicans Sold AmericaDeleted
          Angie-391816Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          Stay in the moment, next week will be better...

          Shake those Brasilian chocolate thighs!!!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoaTl7IcFs8

          hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, hey mama, HEY MAMA!!!

            #2.5 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:02 AM EST
            1 number from the powerball

            The best one I have heard is IBM is going to outsource some of their work to India. They told their employees they could keep their jobs if they relocate there,and work at India wages. I will bet the farm by doing that they won't have to pay severance

              #2.6 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:14 AM EST
              1 number from the powerball

              what's a resume?just put a carboard sign around you neck"WILL WORK FOR FOOD"

                #2.7 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:04 PM EST
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                Ridgelon

                Call your Representative and tell them NOT to Pass this piece of crap stimulus. They REMOVED the E-IDENTIFY which checks an employee's citizenship. It basically makes it easier for illegals to take our jobs in one of the greatest times of need in our country. We should be shipping these people back to where they came from, sorry it might be cruel but this is America, we are Americans they are NOT!!! We need our American jobs for American Citizens NOT lawbreaking illegal immigrants that refuse to learn English. Call your Representative, tell them to vote NO because if its a terrorist, his identity is not going to be checked either when this passes.

                • 11 votes
                Reply#3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:31 AM EST
                ghyldiptis

                The program is called E-VERIFY, and yes it is about 99% accurate at identifying legal American workers and that is why many in congress does not want it to pass.

                Also, if you are calling your congress person about keeping E-VERIFY alive, you might want to ask them why the US Chamber of Commerce wants to increase the H-1B visa program. According to the Chamber of Commerce, there is a shortage of workers in this country and they feel there is a need to increase or keep at the current level the number of guest workers in this country.

                So, everyone reading this, do you think that there is a shortage of workers in this country?

                • 4 votes
                #3.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:28 PM EST
                lucy-263358

                Why should they pass it? It fills the employer need for low paid workers so that they can continue their lavish life styles and the Democratic Party's need for a continual freeloader tax base.

                  #3.2 - Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:24 AM EST
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                  Singledad1234Deleted
                  The Beev

                  Well people, speaking as one of the millions of unemployed (due to bad management and insane government rules), and are desperately trying to find ANY work...in the meantime, we could pass the time and all meet in Washington for one helluva rally. You know, put the fear of you know who in these incompetent crooks who are ruining our way of life.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#5 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:33 AM EST
                  Curata et Industria-330581

                  I knew, back in the 80's, that the university system was priming the population in the US for J.O.B.S. instead of entreprenureship.

                  I have survived three resessions and many presidents. Because I am an entreprenure. I know when to start and close a business, and where the need is.

                  Because the US Education system (K-12) is training TAX Payers, the jobless are at a loss when the economy can no longer support thier trade, job, occupation, etc. Especially jobs that are forcd out of the country by our tax, safey, production, EPA, what ever Regulators.

                  Case in Point. Wal Mart is a constant target of Fed REgulators just in LABELING. If a period or a comma is missing on the ingredient label there is a MAJOR FINE. The local Bakery down the street, or the coffee house is under no such regulation. THIS IS BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND CREATES THESE INCOME STREAMS OF FINES. The bakery has little fear of the Feds fineing them- because the fines would put them out of business.

                  But any large business stands a chance of being levied arbitrary fines because the Government regulators can siphon the money off as a levy or fine.

                  How would you feel if the Governemnt of the USA fined your job because you made a mistake? Say $10,000 for a typo error, a period.

                  Obamba is loving this, you will see the Government interferece increase on his watch, and it has. WalMart and other business in our area already feels the effects!

                    Reply#6 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:33 AM EST
                    urlemmings

                    Capitalism! Ain't it grand how the American workers/consumers have been brainwashed by it! Of course the rich and corrupt want to think capitalism's grand! Because it mostly benefits them...get it?

                    Wait till MILLIONS of baby boomers retire..after working their whole lives.. with NOTHING...

                    Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:43 AM EST
                    X- KKK

                    Curata et Industria-330581: I say that it is time that our Government is not fining them enough if they were we wouldnot have tainted Food, Toys, Steel, Water etc. I could go on and on the problem is Big Business want to pay NO TAXES while employing oversea worker in the mean time expecting the American people to pay for our job loss. Now we are here at this place in life were Big Business has outsourced all of the American jobs and they wonder why the American people want our products labeled either MADE IN AMERICAN if it is made in American and laboring for AMERICAN COMPANY MADE IN CHINA. Give the American people the choices of supporting the companies that are concern about our economic and not just Corporate Greed.

                    Wal-Mart is not a good company to use in your example since Wal-Mart purchase all and I do mean all of there produce from CHINA. This does not save the American people any or much money. I personally don't see it when I go into Wal-Mart were I am saving a dime the produce are just as high as any other company (example: a pair of Jeans in Wal-Mart sells around $18-$20 dollars now I can go to TJ Maxx and get a better pair of Jeans for the same price. So why would I want to pay Wal-Mart when I can get a better produce for the same price. Wal-Mart has is been good at running the small business out of business by the price guigen but I will admit that Wal-Mart does open stores were there are none (Rural Areas). While lobbing to have all of the rules that were made for employee so that companies would not take advantage of them. Which they do. Sorry but Wal-Mart is not a company that I personally would support since they take advantage of the American people while lobbing the remove there right as a employee.

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:34 AM EST
                    JPJohnson

                    The profit at any cost mentality is what is killing off the American economy. There used be a time when employees were considered a resource, now they are seen as a hurdles to a higher profit margin. Sending jobs overseas in the name of increasing profits takes moneys out of the economy as well as eroding the tax base and depressing wages. Companies do this under the guise of "staying competitive". Staying competitive used to be making superior products, but companies would rather cut employees, cut benefits, and stress existing employees to the max. They say "Do more with less". Those guys are morons, you'd dont do more with less. You do less with less.

                    The problem is that there executives with business degrees, but no degree or true understanding of the industry they are in. Some CEO would come over from a bank or some finance company to run a technology company, then cut research and development because he/she only sees R&D as a cost instead of the future of the company. They replace researchers, programmers, etc. with cheaper inexperienced workers or even H1B workers. They problem with H1B workers is that by and large they have no ability think outside they box or innovate. It also discourages younger generations from getting into science and technology because of the lack of job opportunities.

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:44 PM EST
                    Paradox12

                    Fines for WallyWorld???? Wal Mart along with a number of other large corportations get perks not fines. In 2007 Wal Mart was given 1.6 Billion dollars in government grants to expand. In 2007 and 2008 they laid off, fired or reduced over 100,000 employees from full time to part time to cutback on benefits. Wal Mart is one of the worst. With all the talk of Lincoln in the press lately maybe we should think about what he really took us to war for. To keep large southern corportations out of our government. I think a lot of people died for not on that one. The only good that came from it was freedom of slaves so that every man could make a dollar. Wal Mart in no way is getting hurt by this government. And as far as that little guy goes, just because that bakery down the street is not a part of a corporation, he is going to pay an addition self employment tax between 400 and 5200 dollars. This government we have today is nothing but a big corporate mess with greedy asses who care about nothing more then filling their pockets. And if this was not the case then lobbiest would be criminals just as they are. Lincoln would look at this country today, step back and say "YOU REALLY F***** UP."

                    • 1 vote
                    #6.4 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:26 PM EST
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                    urlemmings

                    Well kool-aid drinking crony, corrupt capitalists..Are you happy now?

                    We have a full blown plutocracy and oligarchy in America. Always been like that but now its worse and time for a change. Workers will ALWAYS get screwed in this system, when ..oh when will you people learn?

                    IF your a worker:

                    http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#7 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:36 AM EST
                    lucy-263358

                    Look up the meaning of the word Oligarchy---If you're going to use something in an invective manner, please know how.

                      #7.1 - Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:29 AM EST
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                      bless the usa-400622

                      Obama, Reid, Pelosi successfully stripped all previsions that would prevent businesses and local governments receiving stimulus money from hiring foreign workers. They also stripped out the e-verify amendment that would help insure that stimulus JOBS WOULD GO TO AMERICAN WORKERS and not illegals.

                      If you are outraged as I am please call your senators and representatives to reinstate them.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#8 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:36 AM EST
                      urlemmings

                      "They also stripped out the e-verify amendment that would help insure that stimulus JOBS WOULD GO TO AMERICAN WORKERS and not illegals."

                      Free market- Thats your capitalism

                      • 2 votes
                      #8.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:44 AM EST
                      dan in la

                      Hey bless you are right. The only thing left is for each worker who recognises that a foreign worker has a job that he can do is SUE. There is a law that states that the foreign worker can only work if there is not an american worker to do the job.

                      So all you out of work american workers GO. Look for a job a foreign worker has and demand that you get it. Take your country back.

                      • 1 vote
                      #8.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:52 AM EST
                      X- KKK

                      bless the usa-400622: You say that PRESIDENT OBAMA and the Democrated Party Leader (give him the respect that he worked so hard to achieve. Weather you voted for him or not) stripped out the e-verify amendment that would help insure that stimulus JOBS WOULD GO TO AMERICAN WORKERS and not illegalsI watch C-Span daily and have been reading articles but I have not saw this information. If it is true where did you get this from or is this some of Rush Limbaugh crap.

                      • 2 votes
                      #8.3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:44 AM EST
                      ghoster

                      Blessed: And the Bush Admin. did exactly what to protect American jobs and American Way of life?? Obama been in office 3 weeks and He is the reason for the season??????? Borders look pretty tight as well , visa foreign workers permits all time high. So lets get it right- more than enough blame but lets give Obama his just due before we elimate or equal Obama to Bush Admin.

                      Maybe less hate and more e-mails to congress on foreign worker visas,better securtiy on borders, etc. Have congress explain why pro-foreign workers,including illegals, and others. American dollars is the number one import to South America. How much is paid under the table for day labors or illegals receiving cash vs.paycheck. Cash vs. the actual so-called tax dollars and SS payments- last estimate of American dollars in south America 5 billion. Seems theres got to be more to all this than being told????

                      • 1 vote
                      #8.4 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:04 PM EST
                      ghyldiptis

                      X-KKK,

                      Search for "senater stripps e-verify from bill." You will be given many links to atricles about the house including E-VERIFY but the senate excluding it in their version of the bill.

                        #8.5 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:55 PM EST
                        lucy-263358

                        Whyh shouldn't they strip it out--it benefits the Scumbumma Democrats more ignorant ,manipulable freeloaders for their party base.

                          #8.6 - Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:31 AM EST
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                          PANeal

                          <riddled with anxiety>

                          I think the recession and the threat of a depression and the shock from changing from Bush to Obama has left a lot of people riddled with anxiety. As I read a couple threads here on Newsvine it is very discouraging. So much anger, so much unhappiness. So little hope....

                          It is discouraging to hear that things will probably be worse before they get better.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#9 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:46 AM EST
                          JIm-375683

                          Actually the CHANGE from GWB TO President Obama has given me MORE HOPE than ever that we'll pull out of this Current Ecomonic Crisis that was created by "8 LONG YEARS" of Neglect from 2001-2006

                          • 6 votes
                          #9.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:09 AM EST
                          fedupwithliberals

                          "8 LONG YEARS" of Neglect from 2001-2006

                          Is that Democrat math? :)

                          • 2 votes
                          #9.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:13 AM EST
                          X- KKK

                          fedupwithliberals: NO IT IS AMERICAN MATH

                          • 1 vote
                          #9.3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:47 AM EST
                          cas-890101

                          no, it's "male" math, 8=5, 7=4, 6=3, etc.

                            #9.4 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:46 PM EST
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                            uaw-779887

                            What is happening now is the result of not enough government in the right places to name some The FDA,The Treasury,The Military.I dont care what any party says you cannot trust a capitalist with cash to do the right thing

                            • 7 votes
                            Reply#10 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:46 AM EST
                            AfricanMadman

                            amen!

                            • 2 votes
                            #10.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:03 AM EST
                            AliMom

                            anytime you have humans with power and money and no regulation, you're going to have a mess......

                            • 4 votes
                            #10.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:32 AM EST
                            Mark L-464288

                            How dose Government improve the GDP of America? We can't survive without selling our products to other countries...do you think that other countries would want to buy some of our Government? Maybe you think that is a good idea! One last thing...name a country that is Socialist that is successful...

                            • 2 votes
                            #10.3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:28 PM EST
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                            Ashamed of peoples stupidityDeleted
                            raymond-392453

                            If you Lose your job you have NOW---The CHANCES of you Getting a "Roughly Comparable" job is NOT GOOD----Be PREPARED for ALOT LESS Pay,Benefits,Perks,IRREGULAR Hours,etc.

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#12 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM EST
                            BigPaul

                            Are foriegn workers causing you to be laid off today? No. We allowed ourselves to be over indulgent in handing out mortgages, credit and the like to folks under the pretence that we were creating a better "middle-class" life for them. And why did we do it? Because each CEO up the line wanted to increase revenue, increase profits, etc. And for who? the shareholder. But in reality, they were being given stock options / stock bonuses that were key incentives to taking on undue risk. The CEOs should be the ones paying this back instead of getting handsome severance packages. Personnally, I would like a way to re-capture all those bonuses paid to Merrill Lynch execs. But the bottom line is that we have allowed and even encouraged CEOs to take on undue risk and now we are ALL paying for it.

                            So the real job loss is not foreign workers, but simply corporate greed!

                            • 6 votes
                            Reply#13 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:51 AM EST
                            ghyldiptis

                            Paul, you are right that corporate CEO's taking "undue risk" is part of the reason for the state of the economy and thusly high unemployment. And yes, a person making $35,000 a year had no right being approved for a $150,000 mortgage that was going to reset to an unaffordable rate. Both of these elements have greatly contributed to layoffs.

                            However, to suggest that foreign workers are not a factor in the "American born" unemployment rate is inane. Please read: 533,000 Jobs Lost in NOV -- But the Feds Imported Another 140,000 Foreign Workers the Same Month!

                            • 3 votes
                            #13.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:04 PM EST
                            ghyldiptis

                            The link did not post, but the article is on the website: numbersuas. com.

                              #13.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:08 PM EST
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                              Carlos Toadvine

                              Many people in performance based jobs work in limbo every day. Sadly there is no guarantee of employment especially in troubled economic times. This is not the first downturn in history and wont be the last, unfortunately there are always going to be people who will be cast aside when they become too expensive, the truth is the most controllable expense is payroll.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#14 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM EST
                              BILLYBLOG

                              plz note , it is the private sector who must lay people off due to the declining economy. the same sector that PAYS the bulk of all taxes paid. no work for them, no profit, no taxes paid to the govt. how long do you think that will work? it is a ponzi scheme run by the govt. ask madoff how ponzi schemes actually work in the end. they dont.

                              note also, the govt (users of all tax monies) is hiring people. this is insanity and will not, cant work beyond the time other countries stop buying our bonds because they kno we cannot repay them. ever. including medicare, soc sec, etc. we now owe , we NOW owe, about 5o repeat, 50 trillion with a t dollars.

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#15 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:57 AM EST
                              Carlos Toadvine

                              billyblog, the truth of the government Ponzi scheme is lost on many, we are digging a hole and the dirt is falling back in on top of us as the media supporters of big government (socialism) cheer us on as enlightened agents of change.

                              • 3 votes
                              #15.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:29 AM EST
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                              lou-786182Deleted
                              NBC_is_biased

                              Its only going to get worse with the one trillion porkulas bill.

                                Reply#17 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM EST
                                ghoster

                                NBC: Just say No too: Stimulus check(300-1200)-Tax cut $1000- Student loan tax cut if applied-and any other stimulus type benefit- Just say no and then if all your kind would just say no- then those in need will have more and the government would spent less- So right of you to comply___— Government cheese flavor this month medium to sharp- Aged toooooooo??????

                                  #17.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:28 PM EST
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                                  oldcommmonsense

                                  I have been in that situtation 3 times over my lifespan, and it isnt good. I had never regained my previous wage all three times. I was in the technology sector. I say was! I retrained and now work in the transportation sector. That too is pretty shakey.

                                  Billy, I agree, the government is getting bigger by the minute and that cost will fall on the backs of my children. This is very bad. Obamarama really doesnt know what we are in for.

                                  None of these jack_sses, that Obamrama has put into place, know what they are doing, it is evident because they were the ones that got us here. WE are doomed

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#18 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:03 AM EST
                                  Mike NCDeleted
                                  Tipping

                                  Does anyone know who or what companies or what country did the $550 billion run (withdrawal) from America's money market funds on 9/15 or 9/18/08? That's one of the factors that brought us up short and started the ball rolling. Does ANYONE know? The Fed had to shut the money markets down and stop transactions; other wise $5 Trillion dollars would have been withdrawn by that afternoon.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#20 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM EST
                                  BILLYBLOG

                                  YEAH

                                  they put it in banks and the banks kept it, rather than loaning it, to shore up their balance sheets and make them a "viable" entity so they would not have to go bankrupt. they can only loan ten times more than they have assets. some were leveraged as much as thirty to one because the assets (home values) on their books had dropped so much in value. that is the problem which resulted when they marked to market. rem, the mortages in this country totals to trillions of dollars. rem also, the govt paid 50% more for some of the assets than they were worth when they bailed the banks. they paid a dollar for each 66 cents in value.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #20.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM EST
                                  ghoster

                                  Tipping: Unbelievable: I spoke of same thing a few days ago- Went right over the haters heads- This blog would not be here today if the Feds had not stopped the money run of money markets and injected cash; I have two questions as well. Who made the runs in dollars? How much cash was injected? We did learn something from the Grapes of Wrath---- Good question and who would have answers to our questions??????

                                    #20.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:33 PM EST
                                    tyler

                                    20 deleted, Mike NC comment spam.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #20.3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:12 PM EST
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                                    dews-862877

                                    Why hello Robert H. ----I agree with what your doing totaly. Too bad people in this countrty can't come down to earth. Living like there is no tomorrow is a problem. Oh well some will never wake up. I've read every kind of bickering about this Stim. money, and there many good comments, But my thoughts are, anyway you cut this this Stim. deal, if it does work, it will be nothing but a temp. fix at best. And this problem will return, and end of story. R H. be ready to protect what you have.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#21 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:25 AM EST
                                    ghoster

                                    Dews:This is a fix but better to do something than, tighten up you gun sight, don't you think??? The real crux of matter is housing and fixing ASAP will and could get us out and back on the black side of things- no pun intended- The good the bad and ugly will have a shot at a turn around- along with consumer credit revisited, along with good,bad,and ugly as well- One shot to get out and back to some standard of living.

                                    The regulations coming to a bank near you this summer will be tighter than an bearsas____— in the winter. So, Housing, consumer credit, employment, corportate support(Elimate outsourcing or tax the crap out of it) much to do , for America First is a real first if we ever get back to America.

                                      #21.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:42 PM EST
                                      Paradox12

                                      If you are saying that fixing the housing market is going to help, then there is really something wrong with you and everyone else who think so. Think of it this way, if we can't keep jobs then how can we pay for housing. All the money going into banks is only going to benefit the extremely wealthy, because they are the only ones who can afford housing. I work in the realestate field and when I first heard about the bailout I said great looks like we get to sell more 500,000 dollar plus homes. For the last couple months I have not seen a house sell yet that was listed for under 125,000. Now tell me when there is more poor then rich in this country how is it that giving the rich more loans helps the poor and middle class. The housing market needs to crash, so that once again the average man can buy a home just like they were able to back in the 80's. The bailout took place for one reason and one reason only, took keep the prices of homes high so that the government could make that extra TAX DOLLAR.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #21.2 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:55 PM EST
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                                      dan in la

                                      God bless those out of work and want to work. This only shows the determination of the Americanpsychic. Those of us who drove a cheap car for the last 12 years, kept our thermostats low, didn't use air conditioning, didn't overeat, didn't take money out of our house to buy motor homes and other useless toys. That didn't overextend ourselves and did not hang out at the doctor for designer pills like Viagra NOW have to pay through our taxes for this. Those out of work are also paying for this overindulgence. This downturn will straighten out over time. This time will be extended due to the stupid exploits of our goverment. I like the statements by oldcommon. He has been through exactly what i have. And with this all i can say is Yall ain't seen nutin yet.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#22 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM EST
                                      DJ-867199Deleted
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                                      Mike-550768

                                      Blame is on the American People, Both Parties. On us, we got mad because the Union people made more money and produced junk. Now the jobs are overseas, no union and we still get the junk. Capitalism is about MAKING MONEY, nothing else these Corporate Mission Statements are sad jokes. You are not owed anything by anybody. Sad but true. I am almost 60 the money that was paid in Social Security, when it goes under I want every cent I PAID In the system back. Keep the Employers give me mine back. Not going to happen. It went to Defense Contratcors and other Social Programs.

                                      Jobs lost will not come back, the new jobs will be much lower pay with no benefits. The only field not hit yet is the medical. I did see on MSNBC within the last 2 weeks that they want to bring medical staff from over seas

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#23 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:31 AM EST
                                      Olde Yankee

                                      You forgot several others.  Medical, Teachers, & all other government employees and elected officials.

                                      Yet, they contributed the most to the current disaster!  Come on in guys the water is fine!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #23.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:59 AM EST
                                      1 number from the powerball

                                      you missed one part the union jobs went to the right to work state first.You know also called the red states.Oh they were really proud to do those jobs for lower wages and less benefits,so the corporations could make even more money,so the CEO and his cronies could buy more mansion,more expensive cars,yachts,private jets and trophy wives and girlfriends.That is called trickle up economics.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #23.2 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:45 AM EST
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                                      BILLYBLOG

                                      never ever vote for any incumbent

                                      never ever

                                      only way to begin to end this insanity................... only then will congress understand we are fed up with them..............

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#24 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:42 AM EST
                                      Olde Yankee

                                      Keep spreading the word Billy!! That's the key weapon we have.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #24.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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                                      Rachel-375623

                                      this is exactly where i am at my job right now. i spend my days here not knowing what to do because there's no work but i still feel like i should work my butt off to prove myself needed...and i never know what's going to happen in the next 12 hours of my life. honestly, and i'm not kidding, i throw up a few times a day...i can't sleep...i mean this is just terrible. i keep asking my boss if he can just tell me when i'll be gone or when i'll be safe...i mean just tell me "you will be here until friday" so monday through thursday i can sleep and eat without having to freak out every second. or tell me, "you'll be gone on the 27th" and then i can start my job search, take the days off i have left, you know? it really is torture coming in here and not knowing what my life is going to look like 8 hours from now.

                                      honestly, this is the hardest week i've ever gone through in my entire life. i feel like every time my boss opens his door, it's because he is coming out to fire me. i wake up crying. i go to bed crying. i have constant anxiety and sleep and digestive issues. i can't concentrate on any work that i do have...i feel distracted when i'm driving even. being in this limbo is terrible and i just wish my boss would give me ANY information concerning my standing in the company right now. i just want to know if i'm goign to make it to tomorrow...

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#25 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:44 AM EST
                                      AfricanMadman

                                      You kow what you need?

                                      I hot bath, full of fun bubbles and you favortie song playing, so when you safe from the world outside that door, you can finally "breathe" again....

                                      I promised myshelf I'll NEVER let myshelf get in that mess ever again when they let me go.... And now I'm happier then ever, heck, I'm even dating again at the age of 35....

                                      So when it happens just smile and walk away, they'll think your nutz, but you'll thank yourshelf later for it....

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #25.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:17 AM EST
                                      fedupwithliberals

                                      Rachel, I truly feel for you. My DH went through the same thing last year - they told us in Jan. 07 they were shutting down; he was there a full year after that. Every time they started walking people out, he held his breath.

                                      Try to be proactive, if you can. Look at your finances and begin planning as if you've already been laid off. What cuts can you make? Can you put some money away? Work on your resume. Start networking. Doing something seems to help (at least it did for us).

                                      You're in my prayers. Hang in there!

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #25.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:25 AM EST
                                      Positive Me

                                      Rachel: With that kind of fear flowin' through your blood, you are an easy target. Your boss smells your fear and you will be very easy for the pickens. My advice to you is go in every day and do your job. When it is over--it is over.

                                      I hate corporate America.

                                        #25.3 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:36 PM EST
                                        Utahreb

                                        For gosh sakes - take some of your "days off" that you say you have coming and update your resume, check the classifieds, go to the unemployment office and check the bulletin boards for jobs, call your local community college or tech schools about classes to either update your skills or get new ones.

                                        Get PRO-active and stop sitting around worrying. More activity on your part as a "just in case" program will give you something concrete to do and perhaps help when the ax does fall.

                                        Yes, loss of a job - the thing we use to describe ourselves to others - is bad, but it is not the end of the world. Try listing the good things in your life - health, family, friends and you might get a different perspective on the problem. Use your spare time to visit a nursing home, a soup kitchen, a homeless shelter - do something for someone else in need and then count your blessings.

                                        Been there - done that. Took a maid job when I was in my 60s - did short order cooking and also institutional cooking - dishwasher - maintenance (sweeping, mopping, cleaning bathrooms, replacing and repairing as needed) - and my skills were in office work, accounting and bookkeeping, nursing background, administrative assistant work.

                                        DO SOMETHING!!!! Don't sit around and worry and have your little pity-party - doesn't accomplish a darned thing.

                                          #25.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:27 AM EST
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                                          Yo-There

                                          Some conditions (Warning signs) that foster & fuel fascism are:

                                          The stripping of rights and wealth focused upon a specific segment of the population, specifically the middle class and intellectuals within urban areas as this is the group with the means, intelligence and ability to stop fascism if given the opportunity. "A weaker national party".

                                          Discontent: among the rural lower middle class (clerks, secretaries, white collar labor). Consistent discontent among the general middle and lower middle classes against the oppressing upper-classes (haves vs have-nots). “The new unemployed.”

                                          Hate: Pronounced, perpetuated and accepted public disdain of a specific group defined by race, origin, theology or association. "Now in it is banks".

                                          The squelching of public debate not agreeing with the popular agenda via slander, libel, threats, theft, destruction, historical revisionism and social humiliation. Journalists in particular are terrorized if they attempt to publish stories contrary to the agenda. "The main street press".

                                          Fascism dovetails business & governmentsectors into a single economic unit, while concurrently increasing in-fighting and distrust between the units fostering advancement towards war. "Business profit on war".

                                          Fascism creates confusion through "facts". It relies on junk science, revisionism, the elimination of cultural records/treasures and obfuscations to create its case and gain acceptance. Fascism can also combine Marxist critiques of capitalism or faith based critics of the same to re-define middle class perceptions of democracy and to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups. This is also referred to as creating a state of Cognitive Dissonance, the mental state human beings are most easily manipulated. “This is now global warming”.

                                          The difference between the two is demonstrated by the policies towards non-lower-working class classes. Fascism attains power through the substitution of one state's form of class domination with another form, generally a middle class based republic segues into an open terrorist dictatorship, run by a few elite. "This is now becoming the new White House operation."

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#26 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:45 AM EST
                                          dan in la

                                          Good stuff Yo. The ironic thing here is that Obamas teacher, Ayers, teaches Anarchy. This will be the eventual outcome if Obama keeps it up.

                                            #26.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:07 AM EST
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                                            BILLYBLOG

                                            will anyone who is for this nostimulus bill explain to me how a high speed rail system between california a vegas is a stimulus?

                                            what is it about amrak you dont understand???

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#27 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:46 AM EST
                                            Ashamed of peoples stupidityDeleted
                                            dan in la

                                            There we have it. And while we are at it ,How about the Pelosi rat. This economy will straighten out. The banks will get liquidity. Money will flow. This would all have happened sooner if all this pork had not been put on the back of the existing problem.

                                            The Dems took the opportunity to stick it to us while we were down.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #27.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:01 AM EST
                                            uaw-779887

                                            i understand that, money is the problem ,the mindset of people,the cost to the taxpayer,maintenance.their all problems with it. Any kind of public transit is good . Do we not have a energy and environment crisis?do you think their will be only 2 stops?States have a poortrack record of public transit because they cant afford it and cant take care of it.Maybe out west amtrac is baD BUT IN THE NORTHEAST IT RUNS RATHER WELL! corridor politicians use it all the time.so i guess thaAT IS GOOD SPENDING.wHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #27.3 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:48 AM EST
                                            fedupwithliberals

                                            uaw, have you seen the land between CA & Vegas? There won't be a need for more than a few stops (Barstow, anyone?), and there's a perfectly good interstate that runs from SoCal into the heart of Vegas, for those that need their gambling fix. There are even daily tour busses from San Diego & L.A., if you're worried about fuel economy.

                                            I can think of a few better ways to spend our tax dollars.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #27.4 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:19 PM EST
                                            ghoster

                                            Billy: Train to palin's bridge to now where would have been better--- Jobs, jobs, or as the Reuplicons say work is not jobs, work is where you suck the companiy dry- so right-wing????? Get tax breaks and offer no benefits, no wage increases just suck them dry is the Cry of the Right-Tickle this is cry as well-

                                              #27.5 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:31 PM EST
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                                              Wildhummingbirds

                                              It's TOO MANY PEOPLE out there, everywhere in the world, that's a big problem got us in a huge mess. I think every of you should STOP making more babies so it will help problem solved!

                                              I have three children BUT I EXPECT them should not have any more babies in the future!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#28 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:08 AM EST
                                              boris-288740

                                              She will join the rest of us millions out of work. Welcome to America........ home of the jobless!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#29 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:09 AM EST
                                              ghoster

                                              Boris: Thank You and would too vote forBush again and see what another 8 years would have done for us---- Just Imagine how great thou are under McCain Admin. Now thats scary???? Uh? What economy problems, it looks good to me and mine with 12 houses or whatever and still can cook Bq- Suck off

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #29.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:34 PM EST
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