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Fallen oil prices a chink in Sarah Palin's armor

Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:22 AM EST
us-news, oil, sarah-palin, palin
Rachel D'Oro, Associated Press

In this Feb. 11, 2009 file photo, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin listens to a question during a news conference, in Juneau, Alaska. (AP Photo/Chris Miller, File)

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ANCHORAGE — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's first two years in office have been called a time of milk and honey, when the resource-rich state was flush with wealth from record oil prices.

The second half of her term isn't looking so rosy as Palin faces her first major financial challenge as governor.

The rapid decline of oil prices has left the state in a looming budget crisis and a late-entrant in the national recession. And that could have political repercussions for the former Republican vice presidential hopeful, who has signaled an interest in a 2012 presidential run but must stay visible in the Lower 48 to be successful.

"Given these bad times, she's going to have a much more difficult time traveling outside Alaska," said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics. "When times are good, people will let their governor roam. In bad times, citizens expect their governor to stay home and work on solving the problems."

Oil accounts for as much as 90 percent of state revenues. So the plunge of North Slope crude from an all-time high of $144.59 per barrel last July threatens to give the state an estimated budget shortfall of up to $1.5 billion in the fiscal year that ends June 30.

Palin bills herself as a fiscal conservative, and has called for reducing state spending by $268 million in this budget year, but lawmakers and others say these aren't reductions at all and do nothing to curtail spending. For example, the bulk of that sum — $200 million — is unspent tax credits for companies investing in oil and gas development that are being returned to the treasury.

Palin also is seeking approval from lawmakers to tap budget reserves to fill the deficit. She also has implemented a state hiring freeze that exempts public safety employees, but other departments are lining up to ask for waivers.

It's a long way from Palin's early tenure — particularly last year when the state's treasury was bloated with surplus money from the skyrocketing oil prices.

From that bounty the hugely popular governor got the state to give $1,200 to most Alaskans in a one-time fuel relief payout that totaled about $740 million. That payout was on top of a record $2,069 dividend from the state's oil royalty investment program, which distributes checks annually.

"The first two years of her term, upon reflection and looking over your shoulder, are going to be looked back at fondly," said Sen. Kim Elton, a Juneau Democrat who is rumored to be up for a post in President Barack Obama's Interior department.

"The coming two years for Sarah Palin I think will be difficult. You test the mettle of people in hard times. That applies to all elected officials," he added.

Palin, who has not said if she will run for re-election as governor in 2010, said that dealing with the oil wealth was actually her first significant challenge. It meant reining in government spending sprees and making "sure that we were living within our means and putting money aside for a rainier day."

The state has socked away $1 billion in an education fund for the next school year and education officials say another $1 billion is expected go into the fund this year for future use. More billions went into state savings as well, Palin said.

"We're more prepared than other states because of the prudence there," Palin said recently. "We crossed that first hurdle."

The state currently has $6.6 billion in its constitutional budget reserve fund that it could tap into. A few billion dollars more also is available from other pockets, said Juneau economist Gregg Erickson, a longtime Alaska budget watcher.

Given Alaska's robust reserves, the state is well-prepared to weather the next two years, Erickson said. As to how long reserves will last after that, there are too many factors involved to say for sure.

"It depends on how much you draw from other places, how fast the budget increases and declines, the earnings rates on reserves that you have," Erickson said. "And of course, it depends on how high or low oil prices are."

Bear Ketzler, an Interior Alaska resident, has a hard time envisioning Palin running for a second term as governor.

"She's kind of been moved up a couple notches and I could see her leaving the state and getting her profile up even higher on the national political level," said Ketzler, city manager of the Yukon River village of Tanana. "But I think for her to be electable in four years, Obama would really have to screw up."

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DoYouHaveAFlag?

How would of thought that when you elect a Governor for your state, you would actually want them working on your states issues?

"Given these bad times, she's going to have a much more difficult time traveling outside Alaska," said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics. "When times are good, people will let their governor roam. In bad times, citizens expect their governor to stay home and work on solving the problems."

It's good thing for the lower 48 Wooohooo!

  • 16 votes
#1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:38 AM EST
rickace

DoYouHaveAFlag?

It's good thing for the lower 48 Wooohooo!

Sarah Palin is no problem for the lower 48. Unfortunately though there are others who are. My state recently saw a self-serving politician carpetbag her way into a Senate seat, only to go AWOL on taxpayer time to advance her political career. No one took her to task for it. One can only wonder what self-serving mischief she's up to now.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:49 AM EST
douglasq

only to go AWOL on taxpayer time to advance her political career

And this criticism somehow doesn't hold for all the other candidates for national office? All the Senators that participated in the last presidential campaign were guilty of the same thing. McCain as well.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:15 AM EST
The Observer

The state currently has $6.6 billion in its constitutional budget reserve fund that it could tap into. A few billion dollars more also is available from other pockets, said Juneau economist Gregg Erickson, a longtime Alaska budget watcher.

Given Alaska's robust reserves, the state is well-prepared to weather the next two years, Erickson said. As to how long reserves will last after that, there are too many factors involved to say for sure.

Having a two year reserve is good governance. Too bad other states didn't do this.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:16 AM EST
Jimster

Too bad all states can't suck on the oil nipple like AK

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:25 AM EST
douglasq

Having a two year reserve is good governance. Too bad other states didn't do this.

Kind of like the surplus Dubya inherited when he entered office.

With the money we've spent in Iraq, we could have just bribed every living Iraqi man, woman and child to be our pals and still come out ahead.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:26 AM EST
The Observer

All states can plan for a rainy day, Jimster.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:54 AM EST
alanwillingham

douglasq - With the money we've spent in Iraq, we could have just bribed every living Iraqi man, woman and child to be our pals and still come out ahead.

Do you mean that to be as racist as it appears?

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:01 PM EST
The Observer

I know your question was not addressed to me but, what's racist about it?

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:05 PM EST
rickace

douglasq

And this criticism somehow doesn't hold for all the other candidates for national office?

They weren't representing my state in the Senate, so it's none of my business. Let their constituents deal with them if they wish to.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:16 PM EST
alanwillingham

The Observer - what's racist about it?

It appears douglasq believes Iraqi's have no moral scruples, ethics, or values

I used to hear the same comments about Blacks

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:25 PM EST
DoYouHaveAFlag?

The way I see it with the mark up from oil over the last few years... that's your money and mine. I have no problem with the state of Alaska, but relying on oil money to support your state is like relying on just he fisheries.

It always runs out, or you can always have a bad year. So don't count on it being there.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:26 PM EST
douglasq

It appears douglasq believes Iraqi's have no moral scruples, ethics, or values

You ARE aware we are already bribing Sunni insurgents to be on our side, right?

And, no, there was no racist implication. Simply that with the money we've spent in fighting in that country, we could have simply spent that much in aid and probably gotten better results.

Get out your calculator and divide the cost of the war by 40 million (the approx. population of Iraq -- not counting the ones we've slaughtered). The amount you come up with is sure to win over more "hearts and minds" than the chaos we've sown.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:32 PM EST
douglasq

They weren't representing my state in the Senate, so it's none of my business. Let their constituents deal with them if they wish to.

Oh, I see. A carpet bagger campaigning on public time is only a problem in YOUR state. Wow. I knew Republicans were the party of double standards but rarely are they this blatant.

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 PM EST
douglasq

It appears douglasq believes Iraqi's have no moral scruples, ethics, or values

And for the record, I believe that we are no better or no worse than the Iraqis as people and we don't score very highly on the "moral scruples, ethics, or values" scale.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:38 PM EST
alanwillingham

douglasq - You ARE aware we are already bribing Sunni insurgents

Thanks for the clarification. Not being racist, just an attempt to be demeaning about the former president...

I think I see the direction you are heading

The comparison that the Bush administration could have given the cash to citizens, just as the Obama administration could have given all that cash to citiizens

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST
douglasq

How many nations would be our allies without the massive amount of foreign aid we give them? Do you think Israel would be our pal if we didn't give it massive amounts of military aid? How about Pakistan?

We've been doling it out to everyone EXCEPT our citzens, because that would be socialism, don'tcha know?

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:57 PM EST
Linda-f

I agree with relying on oil to be your main source of state tax revenue to support the state and it's needs is not a wise decision. Oil like everything else has seen the bubble and it too has burst, the bad economy has had an effect on everything. However no one is feeling sorry for the oil companies just those who are employed by them. Let's see how Palin handles her state's budget now when things are tight and see what she can boast about next or not. No oil tax rebates to every state resident this year.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:39 PM EST
Reply
Mr.X

Definitely not a good pic!

Maybe it is time for us to all admit we have a problem and finally work together and find a solution?

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:43 AM EST
Bebe-2488

Now that would be nice to if we can but right now it's more like love is a battlefield of what's going on now.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:33 AM EST
Mr.X

Bebe-2488, Now that would be nice to if we can but right now it's more like love is a battlefield of what's going on now.

Heart rocked but, I would rather think of it more as a Oh Daddy scenario (Stevie nicks fan) :p

The voice of reason! A lot of passionate Americans agreeing on just two things will pull us right out of this recession!

United and Free! Pretty simple, do or die!

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:13 AM EST
Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

Palin? Sarah Palin?

Yes. I know her.

I really am just awful sometimes. I admit it.

  • 10 votes
#2.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:18 AM EST
Nanmac

I really am just awful sometimes. I admit it.

But isn't it fun? LOL

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:24 AM EST
Mr.X

Robert thank you for the link, perfect! :]

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:39 AM EST
Bebe-2488

Ok Mr X,are you my superhero from the X-Men?

Heart,I believe is on tour and yes they rock and they can sing Led Zep.Stevie any song she sings she steals your ears and sings to them.

  • 2 votes
#2.6 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:48 AM EST
Agent 57

Bebe-2488, Now that would be nice to if we can but right now it's more like love is a battlefield of what's going on now.

Heart rocked but,

how about Pat Benatar,, she rocked a little also, too there...

  • 1 vote
#2.7 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:19 AM EST
Reply
Nanmac

From that bounty the hugely popular governor got the state to give $1,200 to most Alaskans in a one-time fuel relief payout that totaled about $740 million

We'll see how popular she is when she doesn't have money to pay the citizens of Alaska to like her.

  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:08 AM EST
Mr.X

"From that bounty the hugely popular governor got the state to give $1,200 to most Alaskans in a one-time fuel relief payout that totaled about $740 million"

The oil royalties were paid to Alaska residents since the early 1980's, I was fishing crab on the Bering sea and Sarah was at home (Idaho). To me it was hilarious watching her brag about the cash she was bringing to Alaskans before she graduated high school, but maybe a tad funnier seeing her held responsible for not passing out a check that way the hell out dates her political career.

Kind of fun, but probably more related to the economy woes we are all going through. Might be a little more fun watching her "fix it".

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:43 AM EST
alanwillingham

Nanmac - We'll see how popular she is when she doesn't have money to pay the citizens of Alaska to like her.

You seem to be projecting your own values onto the citizens of Alaska

Do you really believe the majority of Alaskans lack ethics?

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:04 PM EST
Nanmac

Do you really believe the majority of Alaskans lack ethics?

Absolutely not. What I am saying is that I believe their support of Palin would be less enthusiastic without receiving a sizable check from the surplus oil money. She publicly took credit for doling this out.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:44 PM EST
Rainkiss

Heck, even Bush used it. Twice.

    #3.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:51 PM EST
    Reply
    Countryman

    She sure beats the hell out of most of the States', especially Washington"s, governors. The governors in the 49 other states just spend, and raise taxes, or run in the red.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:24 AM EST
    Nanmac

    Can you site references for this--all 49? Crist in Florida is doing a good job and I find it hard to believe that your sweeping statement is accurate.

    • 8 votes
    #4.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:38 AM EST
    Mr.X

    "She sure beats the hell out of most of the States', especially Washington"s, governors. The governors in the 49 other states just spend, and raise taxes, or run in the red."

    Damned I don't have the cut paste ready, but you know there are 7 states that do not have state income tax and I believe they are all calling you a liar!

    Oh and Washington State is one I know for sure, even asked for sovereignty!

    • 8 votes
    #4.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:49 AM EST
    reddirthippy

    The governors in the 49 other states just spend, and raise taxes, or run in the red.

    Don't foget there are states that have a balanced budget admendments.

    • 3 votes
    #4.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:55 AM EST
    Reply
    Countryman

    Why are they begging for the federal money??

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:40 AM EST
    Nanmac

    Governors begging for federal money is nothing new. Palin was in line too, begging for infrastructure money.

    • 7 votes
    #5.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:43 AM EST
    Mr.X

    They got Bridges to build!

    • 4 votes
    #5.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:50 AM EST
    Nanmac

    They got Bridges to build!

    Good one, Mr. X! (over Troubled Waters?)

    • 4 votes
    #5.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:17 AM EST
    Bebe-2488

    That's why she dissed the GOP retreat so she could beg and wink at Obama for some money and her pals were non to happy with her.

    • 5 votes
    #5.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:52 AM EST
    pddoc

    Maybe they could open some more turkey farms to make some money

    • 3 votes
    #5.5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:21 AM EST
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    asadullahkhan

    pakistan president said she was georgeous.back homehe was criticized.idon,tknow why?As for the 2012 presidential election,the sitting president is generally elected for the second term.state politics,finances--well.that is local.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:39 AM EST
    Simplistic Reality

    "When times are good, people will let their governor roam. In bad times, citizens expect their governor to stay home and work on solving the problems."

    The same thing could be said of Obama. Times were bad... and Obama had just become a Senator with no experience yet instead of being a Senator he spent his time campaigning for POTUS instead of properly representing the people of Illinois who elected him as Senator for his first term.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#7 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:52 AM EST
    Simplistic Reality

    To bash on Palin would be to bash on Obama.

    • 6 votes
    #7.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:57 AM EST
    Bebe-2488

    Simpy,how are things going?I hope all is well with you keep the faith in Bon Jovi,just wanted to make you laugh a lil.For real thou,keep your head up my guitar buddy.Sorry haven't been around much been unda the weather these past weeks holding me down a bit.Like Gloria says,I will survive who I recall Cake the alternative band made their own remake of the song.Anyways have a good day Simpy =).

    • 1 vote
    #7.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:01 AM EST
    Bebe-2488

    "To be or not to be,that is the question",sorry that just came to my mind to what you said Simpy,lol..It's to early for me this morning to be a lil fruit loopy,lol..

    • 1 vote
    #7.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:04 AM EST
    douglasq

    instead of being a Senator he spent his time campaigning for POTUS instead of properly representing the people of Illinois who elected him as Senator for his first term.

    Was McCain wrong to campaign as as sitting senator? By your criteria, the only candidates free to campaign were Huckabee and Romney. Scary.

    • 2 votes
    #7.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:02 PM EST
    alanwillingham

    Its an old fashioned notion in this day and time, but I still believe a person should actually do the job they appied for and are being paid to do

    And yes, that applies to Obama, Clinton, and McCain

    They all collected their pay without having the basic decency to quit one job while being gone most of the time to appy for another

    Look at the huge mess Obama caused by not resigning from the senate in Illinois until he was elected

    • 1 vote
    #7.5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:08 PM EST
    rickace

    alanwillingham

    Its an old fashioned notion in this day and time, but I still believe a person should actually do the job they applied for and are being paid to do.

    We who value integrity have been reduced to statistical outliers. I don't expect an improvement in our economic situation until nothing less than a sea change turns the national dialog from one of helplessness and greed to one of personal, commercial, and official responsibility.

    No appeal from the president nor legislation of Congress can effect that. When the time is right, it will arise spontaneously, as it always has.

    • 2 votes
    #7.6 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:36 PM EST
    alanwillingham

    rickace - We who value integrity have been reduced to statistical outliers.

    It will become important again when everything hits bottom and the issue of trust is more important than vitriol and socialist ideologies

    • 1 vote
    #7.7 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:02 PM EST
    douglasq

    By that reasoning, George W. Bush should have resigned the presidency before hitting the campaign trail to get reelected in 2004.

    • 3 votes
    #7.8 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST
    alanwillingham

    Bush was already president

    • 1 vote
    #7.9 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:21 PM EST
    douglasq

    Yes, but wasn't he campaigning on taxpayer time? He was taking time out of a term he had not finished to campaign for a term he had not started.

    • 3 votes
    #7.10 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:25 PM EST
    SS-CA

    I think you guys are giving politians far too much credit; we all know they have teams that handle the majority of their day-in day-out procedures, and are essentially not much more than a figure-head set to recieve blame, praise, and money. Like CEOs, they are moreso managers of others, and only there to make the larger decisions that they will take the rap for, whether good or bad. When's the last time a politician openly admitted he read an entire bill? Or even wrote an entire bill that's in their own name? Every politician spends the majority of their time campaigning, it's the nature of the biz.

    • 1 vote
    #7.11 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:50 PM EST
    Nanmac

    Alanwillingham:

    Look at the huge mess Obama caused by not resigning from the senate in Illinois until he was elected

    Now that's a stretch--blaming President Obama for former Illinois governor Blago's dishonesty! Oh please. If you are going to be critical of President Obama, at least, make a rational point. You are way off base.

      #7.12 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:44 PM EST
      rickace

      Alan,

      When Benjamin Franklin exited the Constitutional Convention, he was asked by a woman, "Sir, what have you given us?" His immediate response was, "A republic, Ma'am, if you can keep it."

      Or so I've heard on the web.

      • 2 votes
      #7.13 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:15 PM EST
      alanwillingham

      Nanmac - Now that's a stretch--blaming President Obama for former Illinois governor Blago's dishonesty!

      Of course, that is a stretch...

      "Look at the huge mess Obama caused by not resigning from the senate in Illinois until he was elected"

      My point was that had Obama resigned that senate seat when he began campaigning for president, the whole mess if there was one, would have been dealt with and not blow up as he begins his presidency

      Several giant miscalculations and foolish decisions piling up now

      The Merry Band of Tax Cheats... promises to post legislation online before a vote... didn't notice what the preacher said for twenty years... and the ongoing association with his dubious Illinois political roots

      Its bad enough the DOW Jones stock index has plunged at almost every major economic announcement and again today with the signing of the Trillion Dollar tax plan

      • 1 vote
      #7.14 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:00 PM EST
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      Mr.X

      Nanmac

      IMHO, Simon And Garfunkel never did anything bad enough to be included in this thread! Now Stevie Nicks I bet would tare the spines out of the men bad mouthing Sarah, but all in fun. ;)

      asadullahkhan, Sarah is a babe, but this definately is not a good photo. She seems to look better when she is not thinking. And I agree it is likely the President will probably do two terms.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#8 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:30 AM EST
      Bebe-2488

      Now Mr X,Sarah a babe?I'd say Jennifer Aniston is a totally hot spicy babe against her.Did you see her on February's GQ just in a red white and blue tie?Ga Ga Goo Goo is all I gotta say about her also ooo foxy lady-he he a lil Jimmy there.

      • 1 vote
      #8.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:06 AM EST
      Nanmac

      Mr. X:

      Simon And Garfunkel never did anything bad enough to be included in this thread!

      HA! I stand corrected!

        #8.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:47 PM EST
        Reply
        Jason-632265

        Palin should be given the MILF of the year award...

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:58 AM EST
        OBAMA-FAN

        MILF of the year? You're crazy!!! Jessica Alba, and Selma Hayek are way hotter than her. Besides i think Bristol is running for that title.

        • 2 votes
        #9.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:11 AM EST
        Wildcard-781265

        Sounds good, but then we have to give Obama the top-ranking award for FOOL of the century for spending money no one has, talk about counterfeiting, he just had the treasury counterfeit 719 billion dollars with more to come.

        But you Dems love the guy so much, you can pay back my part of it when your taxes are upped to cover all that, and they will be, that money has to come from somewhere, it’s called “the taxpayers pockets”.

        • 2 votes
        #9.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:44 AM EST
        kj031056-1

        Wildcard, I don't know why you're complaining about a mere 787 B when the republicans passed one for 840 B on top of never putting any of the war funding into the regular budget. How quickly some forget.

        • 2 votes
        #9.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:30 AM EST
        Bebe-2488

        MILF?MILF? No way Angelina Jolie has that all the way,even though she has a copy cat stalker and she no MILF or Angie-eh no.

        • 1 vote
        #9.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:10 AM EST
        alanwillingham

        Jason-632265 - Palin should be given the MILF of the year award

        Your endorsement of adultry is noted...

        ...no wife or girlfriend?

        • 1 vote
        #9.5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:06 PM EST
        Reply
        determined0a1

        a) The complainers are the same when the price of gas arrived almost to $4.00

        b) It's time for Sarah Palin to do like the President Obama and start her campaign for Senator, V.P. or President

        c) Many of us will give the vote to her.

        Good luck, Governor. If Governor Napolitano became the Chief of Home Land Security, the Governor Palin could become our next leader in the free world.

        If Greta continues her interest in Alaska, that means that there is a ponny hidden behind the bushes.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#10 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:18 AM EST
        W Scott Lincoln

        Maybe Alaska residents will have to start paying taxes like all of the non-socialist states in our country....

        • 5 votes
        Reply#11 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:20 AM EST
        jamesey

        1. I thought losing the election was the chink in Palin's armor that allowed us to stop talking about her. (I'm a (R) that hates this bitch)

        2. Oil prices are slowly rising

        3. Why is this top news here?

        • 6 votes
        Reply#12 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:32 AM EST
        rickace

        I thought losing the election was the chink in Palin's armor that allowed us to stop talking about her.

        You're free to stop talking about her any time you like. Isn't that wonderful!!

        • 3 votes
        #12.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:54 AM EST
        ComSen

        Why is this top news here?

        That's a good question. My guess is the media/left wants to keep trashing her whenever they can, even if they are bogus issues.

        • 1 vote
        #12.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:06 AM EST
        Ryan-

        ComSen, good point, they need something to keep their mind off Obama.

        Jamesey, your right oil prices are rising, just wait until June, we will be up approaching $100 a barrel.

        • 1 vote
        #12.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:20 AM EST
        alanwillingham

        rickace - You're free to stop talking about her any time you like.

        This could be a support group for Intentional Battery of Tar Babies

        • 1 vote
        #12.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:09 PM EST
        Reply
        topchoice1717

        The article reads as if Palin had something to do with the falling price of oil. Kansas and California would have done well to follow Alaska's example and put something in the bank for a reserve.

          Reply#13 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:49 AM EST
          OBAMA-FAN

          It's not like California and Kansas have a major export like oil. Plus i'm sure it cost more to run Kansas and I am certain that it cost more to run California! I don't even know why this article is even relevant! The entire country is in a recession. For someone with so much of her states economy wrapped up in oil it makes you wonder why in the world Palin was so clueless about the war in the middle east...

          • 5 votes
          #13.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:08 AM EST
          Bebe-2488

          Ugh to the people that are being laid off from their GOVT jobs today in CA a total of 20,000,my heart goes out to all of yous.

          • 1 vote
          #13.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:15 AM EST
          lost in the sauce

          Never mind Cali's lack of oil reserves, how much does it cost to take care of all the illegals???

          How many illegals are up in caribou land??

            #13.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:37 PM EST
            Reply
            Marta-295407

            A chink? Armor?

            • 1 vote
            Reply#14 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:57 AM EST
            RepublicansSuck@ssDeleted
            shamirpatel

            Maybe she should spend a little less time shooting animals from Helicopters.

            www.blogyourjourney.com

            • 6 votes
            Reply#16 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:15 AM EST
            Ralph A LaPaugh

            I know the lunatic left, the Democrats, the Socialists, and the out and out TRAITORS, are praying for something, ANYTHING, to deminish Palins rising star. But she has inspired the core of the Republican party,and the people in this country that still have their heads screwed on straight! SHE WILL BE PRESIDENT IN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              #17 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:32 AM EST
              Brian-497171

              She's not going to be President Ralph. Not even close.

              We're not that kind of country anymore. Get over it.

              • 5 votes
              #17.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:00 AM EST
              Tappy McWidestance

              she has inspired the core of the Republican party,and the people in this country that still have their heads screwed on straight! SHE WILL BE PRESIDENT IN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              28% of the electorate can't elect the President.

              • 3 votes
              #17.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:15 AM EST
              Rainkiss

              Ralph,

              Serious question, here. Based on WHAT?

              Her performance in the one debate in which she appeared was abysmal. I know, I watched. She flat out said she wasn't going to answer questions, and kept going back to memorized talking points, over and over. She's STILL under investigation for a couple ethical problems (Troopergate, flying the kids around on the state's dime, etc.), not to mention the fact that her 2007 tax returns appeared less than complete, which may mean a pending IRS audit, on top of her other problems. Her performance in the few interviews she had were shining examples of how NOT to conduct an interview.

              Now, I understand you support her... I'm just trying to get WHY.

              I don't understand your comment about her "rising star." Quite frankly, I haven't heard much about her doing anything much at all since the defeat. The news I have heard hasn't been all that favorable, the budget she turned in was actually returned by Alaska's finance office as unreasonable, and she refused to do anything to change it... She had to ask Obama to intercede for her with Canada's Prime Minister about her precious pipeline, which she touted as a done deal, which has had millions spent on it, and which hasn't even begun construction due to mismanagement. There are Freedom of Information requests to her office which have been delayed for extreme amounts of time, and she's starting to get flak for that.

              Now, her supporters can say that she'll be President 'til they're blue in the face (or would that be red?), but she's got some fairly serious issues, and a lot of opposition to her that isn't going to melt away in four or eight years. Thanks to the Internet, every stumble, every blatant falsehood, exaggeration, and misstatement she made in her interviews and debates are immortalized for posterity, and I can guarantee that they'll be dragged out, set to music, and reviewed in detail that makes my listing looks like a shopping list.

              She'll have a LOT of work ahead of her to convince the U.S. that she's ready to lead. What is it she's got that would convince ME that she's ready? What has she actually accomplished?

              • 4 votes
              #17.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:49 AM EST
              alanwillingham

              Brian-497171 - She's not going to be President Ralph. Not even close. We're not that kind of country anymore. Get over it.

              There will be a female elected president whether you believe it or not.
              We already have a mixed race president... things change

              • 1 vote
              #17.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:12 PM EST
              Ryan-

              Rainkiss, if Obama can convince people he's ready, anyone can. Because he is clearly showing that he was not ready to become the President. Now I'm not defending Palin, I like her, but don't think she would be a good canididate come 2012. In 2012, we are going to need someone to hit the groud running, Democrat or Republican, because Obama is and will continue to show he is just a great speaker, not a leader.

              • 1 vote
              #17.5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:13 PM EST
              Rainkiss

              Ryan,

              Hard to tell... but what I asked was an honest question... What is it about Palin that she has said or actually accomplished that makes her qualified?

              • 1 vote
              #17.6 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:17 PM EST
              alanwillingham

              Read the qualifications for the office in the Constitution

              By the way, the Founding Fathers weren't elected politicians at all. They hadn't been in high government office, and in fact were considered traitors by their government

              It was their ideas, their moral values, and their ability to generate support that made them effective

              • 1 vote
              #17.7 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:28 PM EST
              Rainkiss

              Alan,

              I work in Human Resources. Just because a job description says "must have a bachelor's degree or equivalent experience" doesn't mean we'll hire anybody who comes in with a diploma. Sorry, some of us take a closer look at the resume than just to see if the basic requirements are met.

              As for the founding fathers... you mean the ones who did not allow women to even vote, and would flip their powdered wigs at the thought of a woman holding the office of the President? What about them?

              It was their ideas, their moral values, and their ability to generate support that made them effective

              Okay... What ideas does Palin have that should convince me to vote for her? What moral values? (The fact that she has multiple ethics complaints against her doesn't speak well for her moral values, at least in my book.) Ability to generate support? That she's got, within a narrow band... however, she can't seem to generate widespread support. Her announcement as V.P. candidate had NOW up in arms. And she drove voters away from McCain. (I know she did, I'm one of 'em, and have personally spoken to more than a few others.)

              Specifics is what I'm looking for.

              • 3 votes
              #17.8 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST
              lost in the sauce

              Why did she read it?? She never seemed to understand the roles for the office for which she ran?

              • 2 votes
              #17.9 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST
              Rainkiss

              Granted, Lost, she never could define what the office was, and publicly stated that she wanted to expand the power of the office. However, for the purpose of my question, I don't care if she knows what the job qualifications are, I'm wondering what she's got on her resume which would convince me to want to hire her.

              • 2 votes
              #17.10 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:59 PM EST
              Brian-497171

              alanwillingham

              There will be a female elected president whether you believe it or not.
              We already have a mixed race president... things change

              Alan:

              Please do not think that I said Palin won't become President - because she is a woman.

              I am very much in favor of a female President.

              No, I said that about Palin because she is a divisive, empty-headed fool.

              • 6 votes
              #17.11 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:03 PM EST
              alanwillingham

              Just because a job description says "must have a bachelor's degree or equivalent experience" doesn't mean we'll hire anybody who comes in with a diploma.

              Then you must already be aware that policy is written as the lowest acceptable common denominator

              The specific question was "What is it about Palin that she has said or actually accomplished that makes her qualified"?

              The question addressed qualification, not preference, thus my reply

              • 2 votes
              #17.12 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:05 PM EST
              alanwillingham

              Brian-497171 - No, I said that about Palin because she is a divisive, empty-headed fool.

              I take it then that you are arguing Bush is much smarter than Palin

              • 2 votes
              #17.13 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:06 PM EST
              Ryan-

              Brian, kind of like Obama, empty headed.

                #17.14 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:06 PM EST
                alanwillingham

                Her announcement as V.P. candidate had NOW up in arms.

                Oh come on, NOW is a joke...

                They are a liberal political advocacy group, not a women's support group

                Remember how they failed to condemn Cllinton for the many women he sexually harassed, or even the on the job, illegal supervisor/subordinate sexual encounters?

                • 3 votes
                #17.15 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:09 PM EST
                alanwillingham

                Her announcement as V.P. candidate ... drove voters away from McCain. (I know she did, I'm one of 'em, and have personally spoken to more than a few others.)

                McCain had exactly zero chance of being elected, just as the empty gesture to Dole a few years ago

                Besides, McCain is liberal light and who would vote for tat when Obama is the real deal liberal?

                The only reason McCain had even a wistful slow sigh of support was because of the support for Palin. Other than that he was and is a dead man walking...

                Conservatives by the millions didn't vote for McCain because it is absolutely mandatory that the Republican party be revamped, throwing out the liberals and moderates who failed to fulfill their obligations to the citizens who they were elected to represent

                Whether you agree or not, there should be opposing views in the United States, and the debates should be made clear and public, allowing citizens to decide for temselves

                • 2 votes
                #17.16 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:16 PM EST
                Rainkiss

                McCain had exactly zero chance of being elected, just as the empty gesture to Dole a few years ago

                Actually, it was a fairly close race, and McCain had the lead in the polls more than once.

                http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

                There was a spike in his numbers in September of '08, after Palin was announced, but it dropped off pretty sharply once the voting public got a good look at her.

                Opposing views? Bring 'em on, that's what keeps the country strong. However, you'll have to forgive me if I prefer those views to come from someone who has taken some time to educate himself or herself about the subject. Palin apparently couldn't be bothered to read the job description, much less prepare herself to hold the job to which she aspired.

                Then you must already be aware that policy is written as the lowest acceptable common denominator

                The specific question was "What is it about Palin that she has said or actually accomplished that makes her qualified"?

                The question addressed qualification, not preference, thus my reply

                She may be entitled to run, and entitled to hold the office. That doesn't make her qualified, at least not by my standards. Or, by the votes, by the standards of a lot of the voting public.

                • 2 votes
                #17.17 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:47 PM EST
                lost in the sauce

                Sorry Rainkiss I was replying to Alans comment. I like what you had to say and share amny of the same feelings. It has clearly turned into a personality issue at this point but I always just wanted to try and understand her supporters and what exactly they supported her on.

                • 1 vote
                #17.18 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST
                Rainkiss

                No problem. I'm trying to understand it, myself. I asked here on the 'vine back before the election, and never did get a straight answer. I stated here that my vote wasn't cast until election day, and I'd consider any reasonable, intelligent reason to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. All I got (other than stuff easily proven to be garbage by a simple Google search, IIRC) was "don't vote for Obama because" reasons. Nothing positive on either McCain or Palin.

                • 1 vote
                #17.19 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:54 PM EST
                alanwillingham

                Rainkiss - Actually, it was a fairly close race, and McCain had the lead in the polls more than once.

                It was never in doubt

                As I stated back then, it was only the addition of Palin that gave the impression of a jump in poll numbers, but that was from the so-called moderates and independents who aren't committed anyway

                They soon drifted away as they were expected to do once the novelty wore off

                Despite my appreciation of Palin on the ticket, there was no way I would reward the Republicans for running McCain, who is just another liberal in the majority of his policies

                As I have stated repeatedly, it was mandatory that the Republicans be denied as many votes as possible because they abandoned their base and ts principles, and the only hope of returning to those values is to leave them wandering in the wilderness a few years until they are truly humbled and will both listen and perform according to the will of those who elect them

                • 1 vote
                #17.20 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:09 PM EST
                Rainkiss

                Can you please help those of us who really do want to understand?

                What is it about Palin which makes you support her as a candidate?

                  #17.21 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:32 PM EST
                  alanwillingham

                  Any number of common sense positions

                  • Eliminate special penalties for so-called Hate Crimes. All crimes are "hateful"
                  • Collect DNA samples from felons for National Data Base
                  • Equal Rights for women with equal pay for equal work
                  • Respect and preserve constitutional rights and freedoms for all people
                  • Defend the legal definition of Marriage
                  • Value and promote social diversity
                  • Teach both evolution and creationism objectively and fairly in schools
                  • Support charter schools and home school programs
                  • Parental information for juveniles considering major surgery
                  • Championed domestic energy sources including oil, wind, gas, solar, etc
                  • many more...

                  In addition to those positions, she espoused the kind of values that respect the basics of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for everyone

                  Millions of us feel moral outrage over one person claiming to own another and having the power of life and death over that person. We believe no form of slavery and savagery toward other innocent humans is permissable

                  That one, along with a basic conviction that America good and filled with opportunity and possibility for all who care to better themselves is vital as well

                  • 1 vote
                  #17.22 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:34 PM EST
                  Rainkiss

                  Thank you...

                  Eliminate special penalties for so-called Hate Crimes. All crimes are "hateful"

                  Forget it. So long as there are idiots out there who decide to take a baseball bat to someone just because they're black, or gay, or work in an abortion clinic, or Jewish, we need laws to penalize them.

                  Collect DNA samples from felons for National Data Base

                  All for it. Can you point out to me where she supported that? I can't seem to find it, searches on Palin and DNA just spit out a ton of articles on Palin asking for a ton of federal money to study seal or bear DNA. Thanks.

                  Equal Rights for women with equal pay for equal work

                  Likewise... Searches for Palin Affirmative Action just spit out a ton of claims that the only reason she was on the ticket was an affirmative action move. Thanks again.

                  Respect and preserve constitutional rights and freedoms for all people

                  Really? Great! So she's up for supporting the rights of gays to marry? After all, that's a fundamental right currently being denied to a portion of the population. Oh, wait...

                  Defend the legal definition of Marriage

                  Apparently, just the rights she, herself, thinks should be defended. Nevermind.

                  Value and promote social diversity

                  Howso? She filled positions around her with classmates, qualified or not, and no blacks:

                  http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7001

                  And, of course, some of her infamous quotes:

                  "I don't believe in interracial relationships, I was born in Idaho and raised to believe
                  that whites and blacks shouldn't mix or date each other" (1986)

                  "Todd and I talked about Hurricane Katrina as God's way of cleansing New Orleans of the blacks who have sinned, the Bible predicted it" (2005)

                  Sorry, no dice, there.

                  Teach both evolution and creationism objectively and fairly in schools

                  Teach her favorite myth alongside science? Er, no.

                  At least she's backed off her 2001 stance of teaching ONLY creationism. And didn't she say around 2005 that she wanted the bible taught in every classroom in the state?

                  Support charter schools and home school programs

                  We're back to asking you to show where she's done anything to support them. I can't find anything, other than she's planning to homeschool the daughter who dropped out of school to have a baby.

                  Parental information for juveniles considering major surgery

                  Again, support? I'm sure she supports requiring doctors to notify the parents of teens considering an abortion, despite the fact that there are teens out there who are terrified of telling their parents, for fear of real violence. Anything else? Otherwise, let's not dress that up in pretty words.

                  Championed domestic energy sources including oil, wind, gas, solar, etc

                  Sure she champions oil. It's what pays the bills in Alaska. Or it was, before the bottom dropped out of the market, she's now, what, a billion bucks over her budget? As for other sources? She's vetoed pretty much all of those that have come across her desk.

                  http://thepanelist.com/Opinions/Opinions/Sarah_Palin_and_Alternative_Energy_200809101175/

                  In addition to those positions, she espoused the kind of values that respect the basics of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for everyone

                  No, not really, just the people she agrees with. She opposes gay marriage. She doesn't consider anyone who bombs an abortion clinic a domestic terrorist.

                  Sorry, she's got some major issues in the areas you've outlined.

                    #17.23 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:58 PM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    Rainkiss - So long as there are idiots out there who decide to take a baseball bat to someone just because they're black, or gay, or work in an abortion clinic, or Jewish, we need laws to penalize them.

                    Why do you make excuses for a murderer being so much nicer when they kill a woman or child that isn't Black or gay

                    Do you support a lighter sentence for them?

                    Why discriminate? Why not treat murder as murder and not try to divide them into racial profiling and political correctness?

                    Searches for Palin Affirmative Action just spit out a ton of claims that the only reason she was on the ticket was an affirmative action move.

                    Affirmative Action? I didn't list that... it was "Equal Rights for women with equal pay for equal work"

                    Affirmative Action is another discriminatory practice based on race rather than equality or ability

                    We are seeing a pattern here...

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.24 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:24 PM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    I can't seem to find it, searches on Palin and DNA

                    First link that came up

                    And here we go again with you twisting and misrepresenting... "Respect and preserve constitutional rights and freedoms for all people"

                    Really? Great! So she's up for supporting the rights of gays to marry?

                    Do you know what constitutional means?

                    It means rights enumerated in the constitution. Your guesses or sarcasm or whatever it was intended to be are just plain missing the point and badly wrong

                    that's a fundamental right currently being denied to a portion of the population.

                    Once again... wrong, wrong, wrong...

                    A fundamental right is a right that has its origin in the country's constitution or that is necessarily implied from the terms of the constitution.

                    How you feel about an issue is vastly different than what is actually a legally defined right. You will need to pay better attention to discuss the issue because what you want to legalize is different than what is actually legal

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.25 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:39 PM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    Rainkiss your fear of Palin is almost palpable in the strong reaction you betray

                    Evidently you feel she isn't gone and forgotten, and can't be ignored

                    Its good to see you cleanse yourself of these demons

                    ; )

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.26 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:44 PM EST
                    Rainkiss

                    Oh, she definately shouldn't be ignored. The woman is a menace.

                    In case you hadn't noticed, Alan, marriage between people of the same gender is becoming accepted. Legal in a couple states, now, and I expect that it'll be legal in more in the next decade. Loving vs. Virginia, Supreme Court decision states that marriage is a "basic civil right."

                    Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

                    I expect to see, in my lifetime, the end of discrimination based on sexual preference, at least as far as marriage is concerned. I've yet to have one person give me a reason to continue to permit this.

                    Funny how you decry the laws that punish those who commit crimes based soley on discrimination, and support the continuation of discrimination. We're seeing a pattern, here. Your fear of homosexuality is almost palpable in the strong reaction you betray.

                    Still can't find anything where Palin spoke about equal pay for women. Biden spoke about it in his acceptance speech when he was named Obama's running mate... can't find anywhere Palin spoke about it. I did find this:

                    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Sarah_Palin's_view_on_equal_pay_for_women

                    McCain and Palin believe that 6 months is plenty of time to file a lawsuit if they feel women are discriminated against in regards to equal pay for equal work, regardless of whether or not the woman knows about the pay discrepancy within that time frame.

                    Additionally, John McCain has voted against equal pay for women and has stated, quoting " We do not need to put this burden of equal pay on business. Women need more education and better training". Sarah Palin has supported this Republican version of leveling the playing field between men and women and equal pay.

                    But, the good news is that Palin will be paying the taxes on the thousands of bucks she took as per diem money to live at home.

                    http://www.adn.com/palin/story/693695.html

                    • 2 votes
                    #17.27 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:55 AM EST
                    rickace

                    Rainkiss

                    Oh, she definately shouldn't be ignored. The woman is a menace.

                    Really now? I find people who depict violence against women to be far more menacing. Those images disturb me. Do they disturb you as well?

                    • 2 votes
                    #17.28 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:53 AM EST
                    Rainkiss

                    Er... What does an image posted back in October have to do with the conversation, here? If you've got an issue with it, report it and, if it's inappropriate, it will be removed. I've never advocated violence against women, and find your insinuation that I might not find that kind of image disturbing insulting. I've never cheered any thought of violence against Palin; in fact, I recall coming out and stating flat out that the effigy of her that was hung around Halloween was inappropriate and wrong.

                    • 2 votes
                    #17.29 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:00 AM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    Rainkiss - Oh, she definately shouldn't be ignored. The woman is a menace.

                    "Menace" is a pretty strong accusation, which usually implies physical threat and corresponding reaction. To what lengths do you advocate the anti-Palin contingent should go?

                    In case you hadn't noticed, Alan, marriage between people of the same gender is becoming accepted

                    Are there any limits you would apply to marriage? Should there be a limit on how many spouses, or restrictions based on same family relationships?

                    I expect to see, in my lifetime, the end of discrimination based on sexual preference, at least as far as marriage is concerned.

                    What about those who prefer to have sex with and legalize marriage to children?

                    Are you really advocating marriage should apply to all people with any preference?

                    • 2 votes
                    #17.30 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:16 PM EST
                    Rainkiss

                    Ah, the old "slippery slope" fallacy.

                    No, Alan, marriage should be between consenting adults. Not children. Not animals. Not a man and his car.

                    States already have laws on the books preventing close relatives from marrying, they'd require little to no adjustment. Siblings, parents, first cousins. Of course, incest laws vary widely from state to state. I believe in Hawaii you can get five years for fooling around with an in-law, MA you can get 20 years for having sex with anyone closer than a first cousin. Ohio, it's just parental figures.

                    As for the number in a marriage... Interesting thought. I'd like to see studies done of polygamy and polyandry between consenting adults before considering a law, there. All I've seen for polygamy is when they're marring off teenage girls to old men, whole different thing. Got any sources?

                    "Menace" is a pretty strong accusation, which usually implies physical threat and corresponding reaction. To what lengths do you advocate the anti-Palin contingent should go?

                    Simple. Don't forget, and should she ever place her name on a ballot on which you're legally entitled to vote, vote against her. Remind those who seem to need reminding that she made a bloody fool of herself and a laughingstock of her party in '08.

                    Me, I'm planning to pick up a copy of her unauthorized biography, see what her family actually has to say about her.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.31 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:30 PM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    Rainkiss - marriage should be between consenting adults. Not children. Not animals. Not a man and his car.

                    So you do resist opening marriage to all

                    Upon what do you base this bigotry?

                    • 2 votes
                    #17.32 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:08 PM EST
                    Rainkiss

                    Alan,

                    You're either an idiot, in which case I'm wasting my time, or a troll, in which case you're wasting mine. Sorry, I mistook you for someone with whom I could have a reasonably intelligent conversation.

                    Ignored.

                    Tyler, if that's out of line, please feel free to smack my fingers.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.33 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:10 PM EST
                    rickace

                    Rainkiss

                    I've never advocated violence against women, and find your insinuation that I might not find that kind of image disturbing insulting.

                    There is no insinuation in evidence. I merely asked a question, and privately expected an affirmative response, which I planned to use to make a point in this post.

                    Er... What does an image posted back in October have to do with the conversation, here?

                    The images were posted in October. They came from twisted minds, and were disseminated by other twisted minds, who are still alive today, hence their temporal relevance. Misogynism does not respect party lines. What if it were Barbara Pelosi's face? Michelle Obama's face? Or yours?

                    That, my lady, is menacing.

                    Sarah Palin is not a menace.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.34 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:53 PM EST
                    Rainkiss

                    Sarah Palin is not a menace.

                    I respectfully disagree. She represents policies which would take this country leaps and bounds backwards.

                    http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/

                    This is a woman who thinks "I used to love cows when I was a little girl" makes someone eligible for a high-paid state job in the State Agriculture Division. $95,000 a year to a woman whose former job was a real estate agent, NO qualifications.

                    http://newscucumber.com/wordpress/2008/09/13/sarah-palin-appointed-a-high-school-friend-to-head-state-division-of-agriculture-cited-her-love-of-cows/

                    She allowed her husband to use her office to harass members of law enforcement and, when his harassment didn't have the results she wanted, she used her position to deprive a man of his job.

                    She used her personal e-mail account to conduct state business to try to avoid having her e-mails, which are public property subject to FOI requests, available. When that didn't work, well, then, just slap insane price tags on the information!

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html

                    Now, you may not consider someone who comes across (BEFORE being elected to federal office) as a religious fanatic, secretive, prone to the abuse of power a menace. I do.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.35 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM EST
                    rickace

                    Rainkiss

                    I respectfully disagree.

                    I respectfully demur.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.36 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:09 PM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    Rainkiss - You're either an idiot, in which case I'm wasting my time, or a troll

                    Well, that certainly seems to be an innovative defense of your position

                    ...how's that working for you?

                    Ultimately, your rejection of Sarah Palin's perspective on marriage is one you seem to share in some degree, as yet unexplained

                    • 2 votes
                    #17.37 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:45 PM EST
                    rickace

                    Rainkiss -

                    Why all the venom against Sarah Palin? Are you jealous of her good looks and wardrobe?

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.38 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:17 AM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    rickace, it appears to me there is a huge segment of the population that fears a strong, intelligent, attractive woman with power and personality

                    If she weren't such a threat to their narrow view of what a woman "should be", they would celebrate that diversity instead of showing the prejudice and fear they now exhibit

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.39 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:27 AM EST
                    Rainkiss

                    Are you jealous of her good looks and wardrobe?

                    No. Nervous about a woman with some severe ethical issues, a history of abusing power, and a list of other issues as long as my arm even being nominated to run for a federal office. The fact that she has so many supporters, despite the facts that have surfaced about her worries me, particularly since few of them give any reason other than "but she's HOT!" I don't care what she looks like. I don't care what she wears (other than the fact that, so far as I know, said wardrobe has still not been donated to charity, as promised). I care that she's incompetent for the position to which she aspires. I care that she's a religious fanatic, ignorant of the issues, is willing to bend the truth to (and beyond) the breaking point, and that none of her supporters seems to notice any of that. But, hey, maybe that's just me.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.40 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:28 AM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    said wardrobe has still not been donated to charity, as promised

                    And this relates to Palin, How Exactly....?

                    The clothes were already paid for by those who wanted her and her family to have the wardrobe they felt necessary for the world stage

                    She never owned them, and as far as I can tell, doesn't have them

                    So you are upset and accusing Palin of something she didn't do by using something she didn't buy and haven't been distributed because she doesn't have?

                    Are these the important qualifications upon which you base your political decisions?

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.41 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:33 AM EST
                    rickace

                    RainkissRainkiss

                    Nervous about a woman with some severe ethical issues, a history of abusing power, and a list of other issues as long as my arm even being nominated to run for a federal office.

                    She was nominated and she lost. What worries me is the guy who won. He and his cronies in Congress are waging an assault on our national security by piling on to the national debt when the most prudent course of action is to reduce it.

                    But, hey, maybe that's just me.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.42 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:28 PM EST
                    alanwillingham

                    rickace - But, hey, maybe that's just me.

                    Just don't mention the Obama's are among the richest people in the country and wear expensive clothes that they don't donate to the Salvation Army

                    ; )

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.43 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:31 PM EST
                    Rainkiss

                    Rickace,

                    I've never said Obama had all the answers. He got my vote not because he's Superman from Krypton, but because, IMHO (which is all that counts in the voting booth, really) he was better than the alternative. (Yes, I'm aware more than McCain and Obama were running, however, realistically, they were the only two with a real chance of winning, and I chose not to throw my vote away on a third party candidate.)

                    The Wall Street Journal reports that economists aren't thrilled with the recovery package, and they seem to agree that it won't do a lot for 2009.

                    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123445757254678091.html

                    Now, while the stimulus package may not be the right fix (and I'm not an economist, so I can't say if it is or it isn't), I DO have to say that at least SOMETHING is being done. The past eight years hasn't shown Washington D.C. doing much of anything about the problem. Will it work? If I had a crystal ball, I'd've checked out future stock prices twenty years ago and would be spending my days on a beach in the Keys, not here on Newsvine.

                    Curious, though... Why do you call it "an assault on our national security?" Would I like to see the national debt go away? Of course, but that's not going to happen. I believe the amount we'd each have to come up with to ditch it at this point is around $35,000 for every U.S. citizen. ( http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ ) How do you propose we reduce the debt?

                    Yes, we need to reduce some spending. The process for earmarks needs to be examined and reworked (thought just saying "no more earmarks" might be more than a touch optimistic, and the numbers McCain said he'd recover from just slashing earmarks were pure fantasy { http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/mccains_fantasy_war_on_earmark.html }). We do need to look particularly at the state hauling in the most earmarks...

                    http://finder.geocommons.com/overlays/4335

                    The top five states in terms of Per capita earmark dollars in 2008

                    State Earmarks TotDollars Pop07 PerCapEarmark

                    Alaska 113 145947 683478 214

                    Arkansas 98 359695 2834797 127

                    North Dakota 56 80252 639715 125

                    West Virginia 114 215044 1812035 119

                    Mississippi 172 330744 2918785 113

                    Wash DC 52 54683 588292 93

                    So, start with Alaska, and move our way down the list. What was the money originally intended for? Where and how was it spent? Is it actually accomplishing anything which aids the United States in general, the citizens of the state, or just going to line somebody's pockets and political cred?

                    If I knew how to fix the mess, I'd be in D.C. getting paid a heck of a lot more than I am now. What I see is somebody getting off their chair and at least trying to attack the problem. And I see a lot of Republicans throwing rocks at the plan, and whining that their ideas weren't used. What I DON'T see are the Republicans standing up and saying, "THIS was my idea. This is how it would have made the bill better, and here's how, and here's a couple economists who agree with me." If you've got anybody who's stepped forward to tell us what their plans were, I'd love a link.

                    But, we've thrown the thread totally off-topic, haven't we?

                      #17.44 - Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:07 AM EST
                      rickace

                      Rainkiss

                      I love to kiss, but President Obama's plan ain't working out for me. Before you and I make out, I gotta do him a new one.

                      • 1 vote
                      #17.45 - Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:08 PM EST
                      Reply
                      Brian-497171

                      Armor?

                      Well, if you can call hypocrisy and dimwits armor, then yeah I guess a little reality could mess that up.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#18 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:45 AM EST
                      silver163

                      will this woman just go away and take sam the fraud with her?!?

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#19 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:01 AM EST
                      Tappy McWidestance

                      Having a budget crisis for the next two years and then running a successful reelection campaign is just the kind of real world experience Palin needs to position herself for a Presidential run in 2012. She will be unstoppable... you betcha.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#20 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:06 AM EST
                      Justin-350499

                      Ridiculous article.   Every governor is going to have a hard time. 

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#21 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:08 AM EST
                      Ralph A LaPaugh

                      Brian,

                      I thought you were busy "Packing Fudge"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Reply#22 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:12 AM EST
                        Brian-497171

                        Imagine Ralph if every American were as ignorant as yourself.

                        I'll tell you what; Sarah Palin can be your President on an island off the coast of Alaska.

                        You can call it Amurika 2.

                        You can both spend your days making mud pies and eating paste.

                        Good luck and be sure to call if you need more pointy hats.

                        • 5 votes
                        #22.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:46 AM EST
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                        Senior-355689

                        Sarah who? Oh, yes, the governor of Alaska. I'm sure glad I live in IN where Governor Daniels has made our state financially responsible and he also has as "rainy day" fund. He'd make a much better republican candidate for VP or even President than Palin. Altho I'd had to lose him as gov.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#23 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:48 AM EST
                        lost in the sauce

                        Nanmac, as a Fl resident can you remind me of the great things Crist has done in the last 2 years? Besides getting engaged and working on his tan.

                        As I recall he campaigned on 2 main issues, reforming the tax situation and the insurance issue's we have down here. I've just been notified both are going up for the 4th year since I moved here! Oh yeah and State Farm just gave notice that their abandoning us after we pay for a big chunk of their "reinsurance".

                          Reply#24 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:49 PM EST
                          Bebe-2488

                          Does he have a tan bed in one of his offices?Just curious :P

                            #24.1 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:07 PM EST
                            lost in the sauce

                            Does Boehner? I think I read somewhere that Sarah ordered one due to depression caused by low light effects.

                            I wouldn't mind helping pay for it if he got my taxes lower. My neighbors pay $1300 a year in state taxes, mine are $4300 because I've only been here 4 years. I have no children, never used the Police or Fire services, have own pump and septic.

                            Can someone please explain why I am forced to pay 3 times as much as my neighbor????

                              #24.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:38 PM EST
                              Rainkiss

                              It was stated that Palin had one, no cause was given, the depression thing was speculation, if I remember right.

                              Holy heck on the taxes, though, are you in Alaska?

                                #24.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:55 PM EST
                                Nanmac

                                lost in the sauce:

                                as a Fl resident can you remind me of the great things Crist has done in the last 2 years? Besides getting engaged and working on his tan.

                                You are right, he does have a tacky tan. I don't have a long list of wonderful accomplishments by Crist. However, since moving to Florida, we have noticed a prevalence of laws "friendly" to senior citizens. Also, we worked diligently in the Obama campaign and appreciated the fact that he(Crist) ordered voting hours extended when the lines were extremely long, most of whom were obviously Obama supporters. Crist has been vocally supportive of the stimulus bill which surprised us considering his party affiliation.

                                I would like to see a viable Democratic candidate run for governor here. It would be good to see the "blue" trend continue.

                                  #24.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:17 PM EST
                                  lost in the sauce

                                  Thanks Nanmac you brought up some good points that I overlooked. I guess the two I mentioned are choking me so bad I can't see pass them! Have no problem with the senior friendly laws, Mom's 83 up in St Augustine.

                                  Thanks

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #24.5 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:57 PM EST
                                  Nanmac

                                  It is so nice to talk with a reasonable person (especially on this seed). Thx!

                                  (Friend-request)

                                    #24.6 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:45 AM EST
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                                    cat1

                                    fun thing--i do belive that briefly during the campaign some in alska thought she should have reinvested the money she doled out--perhaps now she should have...perhaps the wolfs permits taht she so fond of issuing and the rape kits payments will help the shortfall-

                                      Reply#25 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:11 PM EST
                                      Dave M-504838

                                      I say "Drill Baby Drill".

                                        Reply#26 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:17 PM EST
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