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The GOP's first 2012 cattle call

Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:12 PM EST
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Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (C) makes a point beside Colorado Representative Tom Tancredo (L) and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (R) during the CNN/YouTube Republican presidential debate 28 November 2007 in St. Petersburg, Florida. AFP PHOTO/Stan HONDA (Photo credit should read STAN HONDA/AFP/Getty Images)

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WASHINGTON — TON - Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who gave the response to President Barack Obama’s address to Congress, appears to be receiving the most 2012 Republican buzz this week.

But starting Thursday, several other potential candidates will start garnering some attention of their own.

The Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, which begins Thursday and extends through Saturday, is really the first true GOP cattle call for the next presidential election.

Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty have all been given prime speaking slots before the annual gathering of conservative activists — and they'll be among several other possible contenders in attendance.

Will conservatives turn to Huckabee?
Huckabee, the personable former Arkansas governor who surprised the political world with his primary win in Iowa, will give his first post-election political speech on the direction of the GOP on Thursday afternoon (1:30 p.m. ET).

After the 2008 campaign, Huckabee got his own talk show and wrote a book, “Do the Right Thing: Inside the Movement That’s Bringing Common Sense Back to America.” He'll even be signing copies of his tome at CPAC.

Huckabee, who maintains an active political action committee (PAC), is already a proven presidential campaigner. He starts with a loyal base of Christian conservatives, and if he sees an opening, don’t be surprised if he considers another bid.

Romney, in his comfort zone
This conference holds a special place for Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, who won the straw polls at the last two CPAC gatherings. A year ago he chose to announce that he was dropping out of the White House race in front of this group. His decision was greeted with shouts of “No!” from the crowd.

In 2009, Romney has already ramped up efforts to increase his visibility. He introduced 2010 California gubernatorial hopeful Meg Whitman at an event in California, and on Monday, he touted writing $1,000 checks to vulnerable 2010 Republican candidates through his PAC.

What he says during his speech (Friday, 4:35 p.m. ET) could hint to his plans for 2012, which may be his last chance to run for president. Remember, Romney is 61, and if he were to hold off until 2016, he might be considered too old. At 69, Romney would tie Ronald Reagan as the oldest president inaugurated to a first term. But don't forget, 2008 Republican nominee Sen. John McCain would have taken the oath at 72 if he had won.

Prime-time for Sanford
Mark Sanford has possibly the best speaking spot at the conference, as he'll be giving the keynote address at Friday night’s Ronald Reagan Banquet (7:30 p.m. ET).

Sanford has upped his profile recently, taking the lead against the stimulus plan — and has shown some toughness in fighting back against Democratic critics.

He seemed to have some ambitions in 2008, potentially as McCain’s vice-presidential pick.

But a shaky cable news appearance, in which he wasn’t able to articulate a McCain position, seriously damaged his chances. (On CNN, he said he was "drawing a blank" when asked to name a major economic policy that McCain and the Bush administration disagreed on).

So far, Sanford has been sharp and able to grab the spotlight. Look for him to be one of the crowd favorites at CPAC.

A tough crowd for Pawlenty?
It will be interesting to see how conservative activists react to Tim Pawlenty — who needs to counter the perception that he's too moderate.

The Minnesota governor had some tough words for his party and the direction it must take during a firebrand speech to the Republican Governors Association in Miami last November.

Leading up to this conference, he has been on the other side of more hard-line Republicans on some issues — including the acceptance of stimulus money.

We’ll see what kind of speech he gives Saturday. Will it be more of "Dr. Tim’s tough medicine," or will he dial it back in front of this crowd?

Pawlenty’s someone who’s been acting like, talking like, and walking like someone with higher political ambitions. This speech could define how he'll run in a Republican primary — if he does decide to throw his hat in the ring.

Where did you go, Sarah, Bobby and John?
There will be three notable absences at CPAC — Jindal, McCain, and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

The former Vice Presidential nominee, who appeared interview-happy immediately after the campaign, has avoided the Beltway spotlight altogether as of late.

She skipped last weekend’s National Governors Association conference and she's set to miss CPAC too — where she would have been queen of the ball. But, she's battling budget problems at home, as well as her own tax problems.

Don’t worry though, the conference won’t be Sarah-free. There will be two sessions, featuring a taped video interview entitled, “Sarah Palin Unplugged on the Media.”

Jindal’s team said he wasn’t attending even before last night’s GOP response speech, which got mixed reviews.

"We get more invites than we can accept," Jindal's Press Secretary Kyl Plotkin said in an e-mail.

McCain has never been a favorite of the CPAC crowd, especially after his 2006 immigration efforts. He did not attend last year, either — despite being the party’s likely nominee.

Picking a favorite, a word of caution
It should be interesting to see which of the group of hopefuls wins this year’s straw poll. The results will be unveiled on Saturday (4:30 p.m. ET) — right before Rush Limbaugh speaks and is feted with a “Defender of the Constitution Award.”

One note of caution: Of the most recent straw poll winners — Romney (2008 and 2007) and George Allen (2006) — neither went on to capture the Republican nomination.

One final note
There's more than just presidential posturing going on at CPAC. Here's a look at some of the other conference speakers and events:

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Lia-457918

Just another bunch of whackos - very scary rightwing whackos.

  • 12 votes
#1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:56 PM EST
FlyingM

That drug addict and fruitcake Rush Limbaugh Defender of the Constitution?!? Just what drug is it specifically that makes Republicans STUPID?

  • 19 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:09 PM EST
Jim in Texas

Just another bunch of whackos - very scary rightwing whackos.

I'm not Republican so the odds are very high that I would not vote for any of their candidates. That said, Huckabee and Romney are not that far afield. I should think that whoever is picked will be weighed against the money they can raise for the campaign. Obama raised a boatload as a neophyte Democrat. He will be well heeled as the incumbent for 2012 and the GOP will have to overcome his massive financial advantage. Surely the GOP has more sense than to pin hopes on Jindal. He is the weakest horse in their stagle, save Sarah Palin.

    #1.2 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:57 PM EST
    Stryder46

    Why do you find them scary? Because they disagree with you? That mindset in itself is rather scary.

    • 4 votes
    #1.3 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:00 PM EST
    happysocialist985Deleted
    joe-295829

    It never ceases to amaze me that leftist in this country love to show off how ignorant they really are.. MSNBC has three of the biggest jackoffs on TV OLBERMANS (MADCOW) MADDOW and Mathews. Most of you leftist cannot make a statement on these boards without name calling or insults and you cant hold a conversation.  My calling those three jackoffs was not an insult but probably a step up from what they really are .. No talent MSNBC HACKS.. The only reason they still have a job is they are on MSNBC.. You find Republicans Dangerious for the country? I thnk the leftist just spent 2 TRILLION dollars in just over 30 days.. How is that not dangerious?  But You keep on drinking that kool aid and thinking all is fine now that those who want to appease the terrorist ... oh that is right that word is banned from the White House.. To appease the poor misunderstood dirt farmers.. Are not the ones who are dangerious.. And had this been leftist at this convention and I can tell you MSNBC who not have used the word Cattle Call.

    • 4 votes
    #1.5 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:31 AM EST
    happysocialist985Deleted
    alise42

    kool-aid pusher joe: You are so backward, I guess I have to start at the end. A 'cattle call' is an expression used for open auditions for a theater or movie production. It would have been appropriate for the "leftists", if writing about a similar event, and no Dem would have batted an eye over it's use.

    Your multiple statements about 'insults' is a monument to the confused thinking of the right-wingnuts of this country. Believe me, Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, and that blonde trollop would have never been given a half minute without Fox and the GOP contributor Murdoch, either. Olbermann and especially Maddow bother you because they tell truths you don't want to hear.

    Comparing the spending of ANY amount of money by the Dems to the bloodshed and personal greed of the previous GOP years is proof of their danger, and the danger of your thinking.

    And I would bet that 2 trillion dollars that you have benefitted in multiple ways from the 'dirt farmers' of this country. Or don't you eat?

    Poor deluded fool.

    • 4 votes
    #1.7 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:22 AM EST
    Stryder46

    Olberman and Maddow tell truths we don't want to hear? Is that truth reflected in their ratings?

    • 2 votes
    #1.8 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:26 AM EST
    ivan, NC

    With the problems this country is having right now...you have republicans like these trying to do what...and they think they are the future of this country....And Rush Limbaugh Defender of the Constitution..that alone is a joke...that man is more interested in his ratings than this country...and for sure...he has to be still on some of those drugs he was getting....maybe they all will be at that convention.

    • 2 votes
    #1.9 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:58 AM EST
    yorkiedoglover

    It is not that these candidates are personally frightening. It is their views and policies. We n

    We need forward thinking individuals, for the rest of the world is moving forward.

    Some of the conservatives, and they are not the majority of Republicans, want to keep the U. S. stuck in the mud of the failed Contract for America deal.

    It was obvious from the past election that the majority of Americans want to change the direction of this country. In order to that we must change HOW we do things. That is what the Republican candidates do not want to do.

    How many times can the President announce that we are in a place in time that requires us to compromise on some of our conservative and/or progressive ideologies and work together to get something done.

    The American people voted to do just that on Nov. 4th.

    • 3 votes
    #1.10 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:50 AM EST
    alise42

    Stryder: The right wing posters say that polls are all wrong anyway, right? (Like these from a some brilliant righties on the favorable Obama Speech poll, Feb 23 : "The pollsters (and many in the media), are in DENIAL, like Congress and SCUMBama..." and "They must have polled welfare mothers on crack!" and "I think it is time to take a new poll" and "I just sent MSNBC an email as a request, for "clarification" as to exactly where, when, and whom they actually or "supposedly" polled!") Since the polls are wrong about Obama, I imagine they are just as wrong about O'Reilly.

    I don't think ratings polls really matter to anyone but number crunchers and idiots that can't think for themselves to decide what to watch.

      #1.11 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:24 PM EST
      chuck-487604

      I wish I could be there, it sounds like a great conference.

        #1.12 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:12 PM EST
        chuck-487604

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        The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

        ...Margaret Thatcher

          #1.13 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:14 PM EST
          chuck-487604

          Obviously they wouldn't let me post my cartoon above. Too bad, I'm sure you would have enjoyed it.

            #1.14 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:27 PM EST
            Chris-298491

            An awesome display of how balanced MSN is.

              #1.15 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:56 PM EST
              Stryder46

              Funny thing is, FOX would most likely have let him post it. As long as it wasn't obscene.

              • 1 vote
              #1.16 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:39 PM EST
              Backhouse

              Hey 'Chuck',

              Margaret Thatcher's signature as P.M. was destroying the working class in England with a phoney war in the Faulklands. The high cost of this unnecessary war damaged the country in a big way.

              You are right. She did not do it under any banner of Socialism, as you quote, but under one of cold reactionary Conservatism.

              It was a seriously dark time for all, and nothing honorable to quote about.

              • 3 votes
              #1.17 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:09 PM EST
              SniprKlr

              "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

              Better stop paying your taxes son... You already live in a socialist system... So unless you plan on building those schools and paving those roads out of thin air, I suggest you actually know wtf you are talking about before opening your mouth... America is Both a socialist and Capatalist Nation.. Socialism only fails when you place the backbone of your entire economy under socialism... Which is not the case here.... Personally.. Medical care, roads, schools, grants, gov loans, or other state projects for the people should be socialized while anything else should be under a Capitalist economy..

              It just amuzes me to no end when people warn us about socialism and they don't even know they are already living under socialism.. It's like you want to smack them on the back of the head... lol

              • 2 votes
              #1.18 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:34 AM EST
              SniprKlr

              This economy failed because America was living on Credit and Dept.. People buying things they can't afford.. And because Americans stopped buying American Made products.. Instead American materialistic fetish for the cheapest goods with slave labor created the demand for slave labor goods.. Americans are responsible for their own jobs being shipped over seas... It wasn't corporate greed.. It was the American Consumers materialistic feeding frenzy on cheap imported goods from sweat shop countries like China... Then you give your jobs up to Illegal aliens and pay 100's of billions a year to educate, police and provide them with free medical care.. For every job lost in America over the last 8 years could be given back to you by simply deporting 1/3 the illegal population...Which would also save you billions in taxpayer money.. Your ID's and SS numbers wouldn't be stolen anymore either...

              But Americans have that fetish for cheep slave labor products.. Your government doesn't control the Demand that dictates the Supply and where the jobs are.. YOU DO!

              You want to fix your economy.. You want change? You have to do two things:

              !) deport all the illegals... That would be Job creation in the millions right off the bat.. and Save 100's of billions in Tax payer money.. in fact you could pay off the nation dept in under 10 years just buy booting out the illegals....

              2) BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS or Products that at least use American Labor.. If you make foreign and domestic businesses hire you in order for them to sell to you, you create a self sustaining economy! You Must create the DEMAND for such products... Going out buying an MP3 player from China isn't going to do a damn thing for your economy... You will need to learn to live without luxury in order to regain it with American labor... STOP BUYING IMPORTED SWEAT SHOP GOODS OR FOOD!

              You have more power to fix your economy than the government does... Just most people don't care or are too stupid to know it... Americans sold them selves out.. It wasn't the Gov or the Businesses... Nafta wouldn't even have succeeded of you people actually had any Love for your Nation... The Answer is so basic and simple.. Control the DEMAND by BUYING AMERICAN MADE GOODS!

              Also.. In dealing with services such as when you want a new roof on your house or new windows.. DONT HIRE Contractors that use Illegal aliens as workers! Demand American Labor! Support your own economy...

              • 2 votes
              #1.19 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:01 AM EST
              SniprKlr

              Just for fun I am going to toss this out there... What would America's Economy look like if all Businesses domestic and Foreign were forced to use American labor in order to sell their products here... That is jobs guaranteed!

              And what if you booted Illegals out and only allowed work visa's with strict regulations? If you make it so illegals can't get a job they won't ever come here.. If you allow work visa's you can control the number of foreign workers and who works here... It would cost Americans far less to patrol the border with 100,000 US troops or national guard than it would to pay just for the millions illegal immigrants grade school education alone each year..

              • 2 votes
              #1.20 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:13 AM EST
              Wildcard-781265

              At least the republicans did not Bankrupt the country like Obama has, they didn’t tell the terrorists, “Hay I am pulling troops out so you have an open door boys” like Obama is.

              So far all Obama has done is prove he is as big a liar as the rest of them are, and that he can print funny money that is worthless, bring the taxpayer to their knees, and hire crooks to run his administration.

              Talk about Fruitcakes, and dope heads, you dems elected the cream of the crop, and by the time he is out of office this country will be in the hands of China.

              • 1 vote
              #1.21 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:00 PM EST
              SniprKlr

              Funny Wildcat.. I remember going from a few hundred billion in surplus before bush took office right into a multi trillion dollar deficit... Republicans spent your money faster than it was being made.. Don't be an idiot or spout out crap you know nothing about son... Bot the Repubs and Dems have spent your money... And the GOP is giving Obama praise for his Iraq plan.... Talk about putting your foot in your mouth...

              Obama isn't any more a liar than the idiots you support or would have voted for... How delusional are you? Hire crooks to run the Administration? You mean like Mc Cain's own Tax cheats? Sorry sunny but hypocrisy isn't helping your case much... But hey if you want to get into a link war on this issue, we surely can...

              Only fruitcakes around are those Party fanboys who actually think their party is "innocent" or "not guilty" of corruption or being liars in general... What idiot actually thinks that either the GOP or Dems are not corrupt? And Mc Cain who lied throughout his campaign on numerous topics was going to give you that magic honest President lol.. He cheated on his own taxes.. Google it..

              • 1 vote
              #1.22 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:28 PM EST
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              NPA from Florida

              The GOP's first 2012 cattle call

              Such an appropriate title...the GOP and cattle...they just regurgitate useless arguments and mindlessly flow each other in a herd around the Republican Farm of Ignorance.

              I actually used to think the GOP had some sense...now I think there's more sense in ripping out my toenails and dipping them liquid hot wax.

              • 8 votes
              Reply#2 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:10 PM EST
              JIrbyDeleted
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              Sam-539417

              look everyone, scary rich old white men.....again......that want to protect rich old white men....again....do they really ever listen, uhm...no!

              • 8 votes
              Reply#3 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:14 PM EST
              pcskier-910524

              GOP - "Grandiose Old Pharts"

              • 3 votes
              #3.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:58 PM EST
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              Sam-539417
              • Speaker: Samuel “Joe the Plumber” Wurzelbacher (Thursday, 11:45 a.m. ET)
              • Speaker: Karl Rove (Friday, 5:30 p.m. ET)
              • Speaker: Ann Coulter (Saturday, 12:30 p.m. ET)
              • Speaker: Rush Limbaugh (Saturday, 5:00 p.m. ET)
              • Screening: Ronald Reagan: Rendezvous with Destiny (Fri. 7:30p)
              • Discussion: "Al Franken and ACORN: How Liberals Are Destroying the American Election System" (Thursday, 2:30 p.m. ET)
              • Discussion: "Bailing Out Big Business: Are We All Socialists Now?" (Friday, 9:20 a.m.)
              • Discussion: "Will Congress Take Your Guns" (Friday, 10:45 a.m. ET)
              • Discussion: "The True Cost of Global Warming Hysteria" (Saturday, 3 p.m. ET)

              This should be a scary wake up call to the rest of America that this people really don't care about anyone but themselves......look at this line up.

              • 10 votes
              Reply#4 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:17 PM EST
              NPA from Florida

              And evening entertainment agenda

              -Witch Hunting: Salem style!

              -Electricity: it's only for heathens

              -The latest strategies for reenforcing the Roman Empire's defenses against the Barbarians

              -Welcome home David Duke!

              -Cosmic bowling, with Canonballs!

              • 8 votes
              #4.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:58 PM EST
              Jim in Texas

              Doesn't matter what the GOP agenda is. Unless they have better pitchmen/women than the last go-round, they will lose. McCain couldn't articulate the cause; Palin caused a lot in support of the cause to abandon it. I've heard and seen Jindal ~ frankly, I have heard more compelling Eagle Scouts. Of the active hopefuls, Romney and Huckabee are the party's best chances. But if the party is driven by the likes of Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Lavin, Murdoch, and Krystal, it is dead already.

              • 1 vote
              #4.2 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:07 PM EST
              Butterfly-807045

              Wow, they haven't a clue do they? I notice the topics of discussions topics that thye must not understand. Do they even kow what ACORN is, or what socialism really is. Do they know that no Democrat has tried to take peoples guns, yet they still use it to scare people. They talk about there being no global warming. Her is my take on that. I am no scientist and some eay there is evidence, some say there is no evidence. Say for arguemnets sake there is no global warming or no conclusive evidence of it, what is their probelem with limiting aour destruction of the earth, why not limit harmful emmisions, why not make sure we produce what we need in a way that creats as little polution as possible, wouldn't that still be the best thing to do. If these are the so called christian concervative, why don't they want to protect the earth that they are charged with caring for by their devine creator?

              • 2 votes
              #4.3 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:50 PM EST
              Linda C

              Can you believe the Mickey Mouse agenda of this meeting? Are they seriously going to listen to Joe the Plummer again? And Karl Rove, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are the best speakers they could find? Pitiful. Are they really terrified that the government is going to take away their guns? Puleeeze! I've lived my whole 62 years of life without ever touching a gun and I don't feel the least bit threatened or deprived. I've never needed to kill an innocent animal in the woods and I don't ever expect to. I understand that some people enjoy hunting animals, but unless you're a criminal, what else do you need a gun for in this country? I'll happily leave the gun-toting to the police and the military. That being said, I believe in the constitutional right to bear arms, but I don't live in fear that the government is going to take that right away.

              • 1 vote
              #4.4 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:23 AM EST
              mmc123

              Hay butterfly....

              "If these are the so called christian concervative, why don't they want to protect the earth that they are charged with caring for by their devine creator?"

              Who needs earth when you know you are Heaven bound?...no different from "i think i'll walk into this crowd of people and blow myself up, here I come my sweet 72 virgins"

                #4.5 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:57 PM EST
                Steve-AZ

                Discussion: "The True Cost of Global Warming Hysteria. How to Power Your House with Your SUV" (Saturday, 3 p.m. ET)

                  #4.6 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:14 PM EST
                  Stella, Tucson

                  What, no Chuck Norris?? How's Shmuckabee gonna get through it without him?

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.7 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:57 PM EST
                  chuck-487604

                  Hey mmc123, do you believe in protecting unborn human beings?

                  What a bunch of liberal trash on this discussion board. How come none of you show up on the Obama tax evader boards? Obviously you are all in love with a man and a congress that is going to spend us into the longest depression this country has ever seen and leave all your children to pay for it. In 4 years people will be flocking back to the party of common sense and responsibility.

                  As I postested above.

                  The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

                  ...Margaret Thatcher

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.8 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:23 PM EST
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                  confused again

                  So THIS is what they are spending their time doing instead of WORKING with the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION????

                  Was it so lon ago that anyone who even hinted at dissatisfaction with GWB was labeled unpatriotic? These people are foaming at the mouth trying to regain control of Washington... Someone please tell the media to verbally slap them with the reality stick- America is fed up with you, go lick your wounds quietly while the rest of us work on getting this country back on track after the 8 years of being driven UNDER the ditch.

                  • 10 votes
                  Reply#5 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:24 PM EST
                  Stryder46

                  LOL! The media is the last group who should be associated with reality.

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:14 PM EST
                  joe-295829

                  Working with what? NANCY does not need their help she as much said so.. obama for all you racist out there does not want their help. He has Nancy.. Get over yourselves.. You are about to see the country run into the ground and you all laugh.. I hope you all laugh your way to WELFARE because that is were most of you are headed and probably 50% of you already are.. Lazy fat ass sit at home collect a check from the government watch Oprah on TV and whine the government does not do enough for you..

                  • 3 votes
                  #5.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:35 AM EST
                  alise42

                  joe...what are you doing at 2:35 AM...getting ready for work??? I suspect you are one of those "lazy fat stay at home's" that you despise so much.

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:29 AM EST
                  NPA from Florida

                  Being up at 2:35 am can only mean one thing in the Republican world...drunk fiddling with atomic bombs. *i wonder where this cotter key goes* Maybe even some drunk dialing...on the launch code key pad...

                  I think it's on the agenda at the CPAC.

                    #5.4 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:12 PM EST
                    old enough

                    They talk at these forums for that is all they can do talk. The ones of are there are just talking to themselves and the American voters have already decided that we do not want them in control ever again.If there was any doubt before just how far they will go to let us know that their time is done,it was this forum The Rush Lim.and Friends.They have no credibility none at all.

                      #5.5 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:33 PM EST
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                      River View

                      Republicans need to stop talking and get to work and do something constructive. The voting public won't settle for anything less than proof they can get the job done.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#6 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:26 PM EST
                      Stryder46

                      The shopaholics in office now should provide plenty of motivation for the Republican base over the next couple of years. Couple that with the already-evident buyer's remorse of many of the centrists who voted for Obama this past election and I think you'll see some changes coming in 2010 and maybe even 2012.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:08 PM EST
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                      Jake-488375

                      Everyone is so negative against Republicans. I wish the Repubs would have put Romney on the ticket. I might have changed my vote from Obama to him.

                        Reply#7 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:48 PM EST
                        pcskier-910524

                        Romney's a paper tiger - he made his money with insider information working at Bain Capital (from the work of Bain Consulting...). Arthur Anderson was forced to jettison Anderson Consulting because of too many conflicts of interests that ultimately tanked the whole firm. Bain Capital and Bain Consulting gave Romney his rise to riches and his reputation as a "good businessman." Not many folks would fail trading on information from the inside...

                        • 4 votes
                        #7.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:21 PM EST
                        old enough

                        and they sent Martha to jail for what ,the very same thing.always wondered why when so many of them have played and are still playing this game of the good old boys helping themselves and the rest of the gang with insider information.now it is clear. thanks for the post pcskier.

                          #7.2 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:35 PM EST
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                          Pegi A.

                          These are some scary people. Sounds more like a Hoe Down Klan rally, led by Rush I Need a Fix LimPaugh! these "christians" scare the beejeezus out of me! I love the segment on "Will Congress take your guns" - I wish someone would take their guns and use them - on them!! dangeous people!

                          • 4 votes
                          #8 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:48 PM EST
                          Stryder46

                          It was southern Democrats who formed the Klan after the Civil War. It was Democrats who fought against desegregation in the '60's. It was Democrats who tried blocking blacks from attending white colleges. Do a little research before you make inane accusations with no basis in truth.

                          And btw, Martin Luther King was a Republican.

                          • 2 votes
                          #8.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:30 PM EST
                          d burger

                          You are absolutley correct! The klan used to say they would never vote republican because they were the "Nig party" check your history. And MLK was a republican!

                          • 2 votes
                          #8.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:38 AM EST
                          d burger

                          HA HA well I guess if I use your logic and think all Republicans carry guns. Then I can assume you are Black, or Mexican, and on welfare. Hum am I right I bet I'm not. And you aren't either.

                          • 2 votes
                          #8.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:45 AM EST
                          alise42

                          "The klan used to say they would never vote republican because they were the "Nig party"

                          I guess that's why Republicans feel comfortable in using otherwise racial epithets, especially on these boards.

                          • 1 vote
                          #8.4 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:33 AM EST
                          Fausts son

                          Yes, some democrats were against civil rights, SOME, NOT ALL, stop playing with facts to fit some little agenda, the 1964 civil rights act passed with 199 democrats voting for the bill.

                          The republican party is having another identity crisis, it has happened before most historic third parties were started by disaffected republicans, if the party wants to gain power again it will have to move towards the middle where most americans are. if not, a third party will again appear for a while perhaps The Do Nothings or The Rantes United Party would do.

                            #8.5 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:58 AM EST
                            WmRAllen

                            Stryder wrote:

                            It was southern Democrats who formed the Klan after the Civil War.

                            Yes, and Lincoln was a Republican. So? That was almost 150 years ago. Times change, society changes along with it. History is the study of the factors which produce that change.

                            After the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s, Nixon pulled the more segregationist members out of the Democratic Party and into the Republicans by running a thinly-veiled anti-civil rights campaign-- the so-called "Southern Strategy" and "law and order" rhetoric.

                            Do a little research before you make inane accusations with no basis in truth.

                            It takes more than a little research. You have to be able to apply critical thought and interpretation, especially when dealing with history, to get at "truth". Rote memorization and repetition do not understanding make...

                            To be perfectly fair, I suppose you are working from an interpretation of the facts-- but you've omitted those facts that do not support your underlying thesis. It shows an obvious bias and is poor historical practice.

                            • 3 votes
                            #8.6 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:11 AM EST
                            Linda C

                            Finally, someone with a logical mind and an ability to express rational thoughts. Excellent post WmRAllen.

                              #8.7 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:29 AM EST
                              Stryder46

                              WmRAllen wrote: It takes more than a little research. You have to be able to apply critical thought and interpretation, especially when dealing with history, to get at "truth". Rote memorization and repetition do not understanding make...

                              In other words, re-write history to suit your agenda. I read you loud and clear, William.

                                #8.8 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:06 PM EST
                                WmRAllen

                                Thank you Linda-- I do try...

                                  #8.9 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:07 PM EST
                                  Bilbo

                                  Obviously, WmRAllen in neglectful of Nixon's "Southern Strategy" which converted many southern democrats to the GOP...you know, the ones that were members of the Klan...who felt so much more at home with the republicans.....

                                    #8.10 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:00 PM EST
                                    Stryder46

                                    Nice spin, Bilbo. I forget, which party was George Wallace in? How about Robert Byrd?

                                      #8.11 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:44 PM EST
                                      Bilbo

                                      Stryder...Not spin...leave that for the traitorous Sean Holmes or bloated Rush...read your history book....Byrd as we know was a member of the Klan at one time...your one correct statement....but other avowed racists - Helms, Thurmond, Maddox all retreated to the warmth and welcoming arms of the GOP...not all switched, that is for sure, but the goal was to add members by playing on the prejudices of a poor, under-educated segment of society -- the white males in the south....that is a fact-not spin....If that bothers you then maybe you are in the wrong party....

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #8.12 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:22 PM EST
                                      WmRAllen

                                      Styrder-- ask any reputable historian, and they will say that what they do is interpret the documentary evidence left by past generations. "Revisionist history", in the sense that you mean to use it here, is an empty term-- all history is "revisionist' to some degree.

                                      Where the "bite" in that term in the current usage comes from is the reaction to the growth of the "social history" school in the 1960s and 1970s, when historians began working more directly with groups outside the hegemonic classes of American society-- looking at the lives of women, the working classes, and different ethnicities rather than the strictly "great European men doing great things" narratives that held sway over much of the historiographical development in this country. Along with the civil rights and women's rights movements, this was a direct challenge to the political and social powers of the time-- and prompted much the same response on an academic level as the political response I outlined above.

                                      Look again at my last sentence:

                                      To be perfectly fair, I suppose you are working from an interpretation of the facts-- but you've omitted those facts that do not support your underlying thesis. It shows an obvious bias and is poor historical practice.

                                      This is where the difference between "good" history and "rewriting" history lies-- being aware of your bias, accommodating that bias by being open to those facts that may work against your thesis, and either proving that they do not in fact cause a problem, or reworking your thesis to account for the new evidence that has come to light. In what way, I would ask, is this sort of revision bad?

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #8.13 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:44 PM EST
                                      Stryder46

                                      WmRAllen wrote:

                                      "This is where the difference between "good" history and "rewriting" history lies-- being aware of your bias, accommodating that bias by being open to those facts that may work against your thesis, and either proving that they do not in fact cause a problem, or reworking your thesis to account for the new evidence that has come to light. In what way, I would ask, is this sort of revision bad?"

                                      They're calling Republicans racist. History shows that it's not the Republican party that has the history of racism. It's the Democrats. No bias there. Just HISTORICAL facts.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #8.14 - Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:36 AM EST
                                      WmRAllen

                                      And so we've circled around to the beginning again...

                                      The more effective division is not between "Republican" and "Democrat", but between "conservative" and "progressive". During the Civil War period, the Democrats were the conservative party, and the Republicans were the party pushing for radical changes to the structure of American society. This situation changed in the 20th century.

                                      Yes, there is a history of racism in the Democratic Party, but no matter what "democrats are racist" meme happens to be filtering through the internet and blogosphere, that does not change the fact that since the Civil War the two parties have essentially traded places. I'm not saying that all Republicans are card-carrying KKK members-- and I would hope that you are not trying to prove that all Democrats are, either. But the situation today is not what it was then.

                                        #8.15 - Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:41 AM EST
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                                        Bill CT

                                        If the extreme right wing takes over the party, as they did in the 2008 election, they are doomed once again.The GOP better study the changing demograhics of this country,if they don't they'll never be in power again.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#9 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:02 PM EST
                                        Pegi A.

                                        Lets hope so Bill.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #9.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:04 PM EST
                                        Bill CT

                                        Pegi A...I agree with you......

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #9.2 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:28 PM EST
                                        Bilbo

                                        Take over????...They're in charge now!!!! Northern GOP'ers: Gone from office, Western and Midwestern GOP'ers in office: dwindling fast...Nope the GOP is now the domain of the southern white male.....

                                          #9.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:03 PM EST
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                                          none-914129

                                          You forgot Ron Paul again.

                                            Reply#10 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:09 PM EST
                                            Linda C

                                            Everyone has forgotten Ron Paul. They did so long before the last election was over.

                                              #10.1 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:30 AM EST
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                                              newgenerationspace-msnbc

                                              Watching the GOP during this last election reminds me of the "Nuremberg Rallies". I can hardly wait for their forthcoming "Night of the Long Knives" to purge the heretics hiding in their ranks!

                                              Their plan for America:

                                              I keep having this image of the seedy community of "Bartertown" (from the movie; "Mad_Max Beyond Thunderdome") founded and nominally run by the ruthless Aunty Entity (Turner), who is implied to have been a prostitute before the apocalypse.

                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max_Beyond_Thunderdome

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#11 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST
                                              Van_Ward

                                              I actually like Bobby Jindal; he just needs to gain a greater sense of independence from the old rule of the GOP.

                                                Reply#12 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:46 PM EST
                                                Jim in Texas

                                                I actually like Bobby Jindal; he just needs to gain a greater sense of independence from the old rule of the GOP.

                                                Bobby likes himself, too. He envisions himself as the neo-Barack of the 2012 election. Well, he's got three years to grow up and one to campaign. Let him know of your preference. The two of you can form his first PAC. Here's a thought ~ Jindal/Palin. That would vault Saturday Night Live to number one in the ratings.

                                                • 4 votes
                                                #12.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:15 PM EST
                                                Stryder46

                                                Actually, SNL will have plenty of material for the next four years.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #12.2 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:17 PM EST
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                                                Don't spin me bro!

                                                I wish the Republicans would stop being a party of whinners!

                                                It is just a mental political recession for the RNC.

                                                The Republicans will find their intellectual footing, right after the Democrats finish the heavy lifting.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#13 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:55 PM EST
                                                Stryder46

                                                Too funny. All we've heard for the last 8 years is whining from the Left. I would think you'd be used to it by now.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #13.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:18 PM EST
                                                confused again

                                                By whinning from the left you mean WHAT exactly?? Voicing dissent for a war that was unjust from the get go? Voicing concern over the treatment of fellow human beings?

                                                Weren't the BUSHIES the ones who held the Dixie Chicks CD burning parties? Helloooo??

                                                Not only would any Dem who decided to annouce their candidacy 4 years ahead of the election been totally vilified, they probably would have had no shot at a gas station job following their unjustified firing by Bush for being on the wrong side of his favor.

                                                Wake up, Stryder, the Republicans insult all of our intelligence. That includes you. They want you to be ADD and not recall those pesky facts so they can twist history in their favor.

                                                Heck they are even comparing Obama to Reagan (their own idol) to try to villify him in the eyes of the population, thinking we are too stupid to recognize the differences in substance. Well trickle down doesnt work as REAGAN, Bush and Bush have so aptly proved. Its time for Trickle UP and when the infrastructure jobs start up, it will be a tidal wave even the wealthy can't deny being grateful to Obama for.

                                                Take a walk republicans, you've had your chance and the next one you think you are preparing to get by holding these types of cattle calls just embarasses you further.

                                                  #13.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:31 PM EST
                                                  Stryder46

                                                  The only one comparing Obama to Reagan is Obama. And his little Obots. Reagan would have NEVER gone on a spending binge like the Dems have done. Tho, I'm sure he would have been very concerned about the Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse. However, he wouldn't have spent $30 million in pork on it.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #13.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:10 PM EST
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                                                  Paul-534930

                                                  The Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, name change!

                                                  Conservative

                                                  Republian

                                                  Action

                                                  Panel or crap for short?

                                                  • 5 votes
                                                  Reply#14 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:55 PM EST
                                                  geek-379357

                                                  The GOP policies and dogma of the past 8 years will not sell in 2012 beyond the small narrow base. The list of the usual conservative suspects may thrill Rush Limbaugh but not the current crop of voters or the changing national demographics.

                                                  The Republicans need to experience the further erosion in the House and Senate before they realize that the party of old will not sell. Right now the GOP is desperate for leadership and that is not Mr. Steele. His proposed strong-arm tactics to bring the so-called rouge Senate GOP members in line is juvenile, and the just say NO in the House suicidal.

                                                  The moderate Republicans who could be viable candidates will not make it through the 2010-11 primary cycle and would be smart to let the zealots who cannot win beat themselves up and take the beating in 2012. The GOP may be able to stage some sort of comeback in 2016 but the task of rebuilding the party, returning the brand to something acceptable will not be easy.

                                                  The only uncertainty is a major or huge scandal involving the Democrats and while that is highly unlikely, the possibility of some game changing event cannot totally be dismissed.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  Reply#15 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:10 PM EST
                                                  SMelendez-395640

                                                  Hey Geek, I think the Dems have already had several scandals! Are you that stupid! Blago, Burris and the tax cheats in Obama's cabinet! Oh and a Bill richardson with his pay to play scheme which I personally know about because I live here in New Mexico! Obama will be a one termer believe me and the Reps will become more in power after this current band of Socialiists/communists are done trying to drive this great country into the ground!

                                                    #15.1 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:32 AM EST
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                                                    Nick-914347

                                                    there is no place for nut jobs like Huckabee or Romeny in America.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#16 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:13 PM EST
                                                    Stryder46

                                                    I'll bet you're a Nancy Pelosi fan, aren't you?

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #16.1 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:23 PM EST
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                                                    Tomas Sivan

                                                    I think people would be wise to look up some transcripts and really take notice of what Ron Pau had to say. I mean when the Liberal Press and TV talking Heads weren't belittling him... I know they're not use to common sense, but I have more faith in the common man , you know, the one who votes.... The one who only becomes important as November rolls around in an election year.... .The one who has to listen to all the promises he knows will be broken . And whose eyes and ears will take another four years to clear up and then be bombarded again . People seem to erupt when a third party is mentioned.... All I ask is, " How have we been doing with the 2 party thieves and misfits that have been leading us , up till now ?

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#17 - Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:15 PM EST
                                                    centrist from Texas

                                                    I will never vote from any presidential candiate from the southern U.S. again.. Clinton, Carter, Bush -- need I say more? Obama is not perfect, but his heart is in the right place. Where is the next Reagan? That's what the country needs right now.. leadership, charisma, character and fiscal responsibility -- name any president in recent history that meets that criteria.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#18 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:22 AM EST
                                                    d burger

                                                    I hate to break this to you since it appears that you are from Texas. But Texas is not the South! Oh and by the way fiscal responsiblity! Obama has nearly tripled the deficit in one month! And the earmarks he said he would not tolerate. Guess what 9000 earmarks in the Stimulus and 8000 in the budget bill just passing the House. So all of his integrety has already gone out the window.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #18.1 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:26 AM EST
                                                    Stryder46

                                                    Fiscal responsibility? Obama certainly isn't carrying that torch thus far.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #18.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:15 AM EST
                                                    brian from KY

                                                    Spending on schools, bridges and infrastructure is irresponsible isn't it. lets keep spending trillions on the missils and bloodshed. How about tacticle nukes, remember when GWB was thinking about bombing caves, that would have been a nice precedent. Even your republican congress has used terms like " the nuclear option". Thats a party I want to be part of. Scary

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #18.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:54 AM EST
                                                    ashamednamazed

                                                    Centrist- I don't think either party represents where most average American people really "live." Referendum after referendum indicates that people (on the whole) are against homosexual marriage, abortion, etc. Those same people who are against those things generally believe in a capitalistic society over a socialistic one. The problem with the two party system, is that the Republican leadership "espouses" family values, traditional Judeo-Christian morality, etc. (see their platform) and yet, when they have the power, they don't do anything about them. Their real agenda is not "social conservatism", but "fiscal conservatism", and by that, I don't mean responsible government spending. (look at the last 8 years, for crying out loud) By "fiscal conservatism", I mean that they seek to ensure that "wealth" stays where it is.....with the "wealthy". That's why they advocate cutting "capital gains" taxes, estate taxes, luxury taxes, etc, and promote tax cuts, which are predominately for the "upper class". They use their "socially conservative platform", (which is really just "bait", to lure poor people to vote for them, when they really do not have their interests "at heart".) This is my beef with the Republicans. The Democrats, on the other hand, promote a social agenda (advocating abortion on demand, advancing homosexual interests, etc., which are things that the majority of Americans do not support) which makes it hard for average Americans to vote for them because of those positions. Unfortunately, then, they alienate a lot of people, who, economically speaking, would be better off with Democrats in office. I think the best hope for us, is to somehow move the Democratic party towards the right on social issues. I think if that was done, while maintaining traditional Democratic committments, that you would see landslide elections in their favor. I admit, I am a conservative Christian, and I voted for Obama. I just felt betrayed and duped by the Republicans. I disagree strongly with much of the social agenda of the Democrats, but at least they came out openly and admitted it, rather than the Republicans lying about it.

                                                      #18.4 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:50 AM EST
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                                                      Kc77

                                                      I personally love this part in the article..

                                                      Jindal’s team said he wasn’t attending even before last night’s GOP response speech, which got mixed reviews.

                                                      Who in thier right mind actually thought "he sounds good?" It's far and away from being presidential. His speech sounded like an unreleased episode of Romper Room. "I see Jenny and Bobby... "

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      Reply#19 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:34 AM EST
                                                      Blearc

                                                      He couldn't be reached for comment today, Jindal celebrated by going to Disney World, no seriously.

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #19.1 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:41 AM EST
                                                      Kc77

                                                      Are you sure he's not returning home to Space Mountain?

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #19.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:48 AM EST
                                                      d burger

                                                      I guess you are only interested in how he sounds rather than what he had to say. That would be evident if you voted for Obama. A smooth speaker of lies.

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #19.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:13 AM EST
                                                      Kc77

                                                      Yes I am interested in how he sounds. Bush sounded just as childish. It's called having common sense. If someone can't put a simple prepared speech together, how in the world can he lead a country? What foreign nation wants to listen to someone who can't put together an intelligible sentence? We've had eight years of simple minds, with simple speeches. All it's given us is complicated issues due to lack of foresight. Some us actually like to hear someone who has his act together. But that's not to say that some people don't like simple preschool speeches. You obviously do.

                                                        #19.4 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:18 AM EST
                                                        Stryder46

                                                        The delivery wasn't the best, but the message was still there.

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        #19.5 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:17 AM EST
                                                        Ronacrone

                                                        His message was called "insane" by conservative columnist David Brooks. No wonder the paid RNC bloggers love him and his message.

                                                          #19.6 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:16 AM EST
                                                          Stryder46

                                                          One pundit doesn't speak for the entire party.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #19.7 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:10 PM EST
                                                          Bilbo

                                                          No but that pundit's experience carries a LOT of weight compared to a Troll....

                                                            #19.8 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:26 PM EST
                                                            Stryder46

                                                            Apparently, not that much weight. I've never even heard of the guy. Of course, I don't read the New York Slimes, either. So that might explain that.

                                                            If you're calling me a troll because I happen to disagree with you then that doesn't exactly do a lot for YOUR credibility. After all, a Hobbit isn't that far off from a troll.

                                                              #19.9 - Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:44 AM EST
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                                                              d burger

                                                              More importantly who will be the Democratic candidate. Surely nobody will back him as he bankrupts the country in the next year! Or perhaps he only needs a few more weeks.

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              Reply#20 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:23 AM EST
                                                              WAKEUP-895002

                                                              Personally, I wonder how much of a screwing the American people will take before they actually embrace a third party candidate with enough support to garner a win.

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              Reply#21 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:28 AM EST
                                                              Jim in Texas

                                                              Ross Perot was a "third Party" candidate (actually a non-party candidate). He read the tea leaves and it said he would probably win and it scared the sh*t out of him. The next day he began sabotaging his own candidacy and finally withdrew. A third party candidate will either have to fund his own campaign or he is destined for the dust bins of history. Perot could do that. There are not many that will risk losing $600-800-million dollars for the "joy of running." People with that kind of money really don't want to be president anyway.

                                                                #21.1 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:54 AM EST
                                                                d burger

                                                                Who knows but in one month with Obama we have gotten screwed into a debt more than 2 wars, Katrine, 9/11 and the cost of National Security. But he has a plan to pay back half the Trillion of debt left by Bush. But don't worry we can now pay for it by taxing the rich, dipping into reserve funds and well basically screwing over the entire middle class. We should be happy because now not only can we pay our own mortgages but we can pay for our neigbhors also. Don't get me wrong Im not nervous because I have saved all of my childrens lives to put them through college. And now according to Obama everyone will get to go to college. I guess I can pay for that too! Because the poor should be able to go to college for free! The poor should get free healthcare. The poor deserve to live in beautiful homes for free. I have an idea we should all quit our jobs and let the government pay for everything. After all this is America the land of opportuntity!

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #21.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:04 AM EST
                                                                Kenneth Lane

                                                                "Half a trillion left by Bush"

                                                                What drug are you on?--------More like 20 TRILLION to pay off the debt of the 2000 to 2009 Republican Crime Spree

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                #21.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:04 AM EST
                                                                Stryder46

                                                                Since you're obviously in the mood to just grab numbers out of the air, why not shoot for $100 trillion?

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #21.4 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:11 PM EST
                                                                Bilbo

                                                                Stryder..when all is said and done, Bushies drag on our indebtedness is probably closer to your number...so thanks for recognizing it....there may be hope for you yet!!!!

                                                                  #21.5 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:29 PM EST
                                                                  Chris-298491

                                                                  Why do Obammunists excuse Obama's spending by saying Bush did it to? If you thought Bushes spending was good I might understand but I don't think you're going to say that, I know I'm not.

                                                                    #21.6 - Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:44 PM EST
                                                                    Stryder46

                                                                    It's called "projecting", Chris. They do it to hide their own hypocrisy.

                                                                      #21.7 - Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:47 AM EST
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                                                                      happysocialist985Deleted
                                                                      david a dudenhoefer

                                                                      ...and of course, not one mention of Dr. Ron Paul, the only real conseravtive, the only real defender of the Constitution, the only one who had the real answers and has been proven right. Yet no one admits it. What a bunch of cowards!

                                                                      We are headed for a collapse, and he did warn us, but you would never knwo, because of treasonist propaganda by networks like NBC. Oberman, Mathews, Maddow...SCREW YOU!!!

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      Reply#23 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:44 AM EST
                                                                      Kenneth Lane

                                                                      The most amazing political party!

                                                                      Totally screw up the nation's economic system through deregulation, corruption and greed and then blame it on

                                                                      Clinton!

                                                                      Were there ever a greater group of traitors to America I can not recall it!

                                                                      Hey how about those Nazi?

                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                      Reply#24 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:01 AM EST
                                                                      mainegirlinPA

                                                                      So true! I know it's not too difficult to imagine Cheney and Rove is the uniform of the Gestapo! All this complaining about President Obama...including the CIA, embassy, and military operations the cost of Bush's war in Iraq is around 12 BILLION dollars a month. Now all of a sudden the Republicans have a new sense of fiscal responsibility. My goodness...they are enough to make a vulture vomit! Their hypocrisy knows no bounds and they apparently aren't getting the memos that the majority of Americans have sent them...we reject them and their politics. Their attempt to distance themselves from 8 years of the Bush policies is too little... too late.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #24.1 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:04 AM EST
                                                                      polish hillbilly

                                                                      My memory is failing, but I seem to recall a vote on Iraq by Congress that was 532 for and only 3 against. Obama was one no, Sec Clinton voted yes. A true bipartisan vote , it was not for a declaration of war. Oh what a tangled web we weave when we violate our Constitution. Only Congress can declare war and provide the funding. A declaration of war has not happened since WW2. Funding for our unconstitutional interventionist policies continues unabated under both parties. Troops in 135 countries around the world serving as global police placed there by DEMS and REPUBS. I see no outrage over these deployments and the billions in costs. Bring them all home and let all those countries pay for their own protection. Lets use our troops to protect our borders, something we are failing miserablely at.

                                                                      Vultures vomit as a natural part of their eating process, thus is part of every meal process and not unusual at all. Now python poop may be better comparison as that happens only once or twice a year.

                                                                        #24.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:36 AM EST
                                                                        mainegirlinPA

                                                                        Actually, vultures vomit as a tactic of protection against predators. They cough up a chunk of semi-digested meat to deter any would be invaders of their nest. The stuff smells so bad it does just that. It is not a regular part of the eating process....just a defense mechanism so I will leave it to you to figure out my reference to vulture vomit and some Republicans.

                                                                          #24.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:53 AM EST
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                                                                          Stryder46

                                                                          We had a very robust economy until the Dems regained control of the Houe and Senate in '06. Everything started to tank after they were in power. Why is that?

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                                                                          Reply#25 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:23 AM EST
                                                                          Dave in Ma.

                                                                          I would like to see some info on that please. You know actual facts.

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                                                                          #25.1 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:09 AM EST
                                                                          Kenneth Lane

                                                                          Reporting on the "crisis" didn't start until the very end of the 08 campaign so that the Republican lie could be perpetuated--it's simple really Republicans own all the major news outlets in the US--they do what the RNC tells them to do.

                                                                          Actually this curent economic mess started with Reagan the budget buster with his Crime FAmily Savings & Loan Scam and has continued up to the present with the Phil Gramm Deregulation Scam which is just now playing out.

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                                                                          #25.2 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:12 AM EST
                                                                          Stryder46

                                                                          Dave in Ma: "I would like to see some info on that please. You know actual facts."

                                                                          Not sure if you were talking to me, but just in case you were....unemployment was around 4.6%. The DJIA peaked at 14,000+ in Oct 07 and has dropped steadily ever since. Here's what it's done since Obama won the election:

                                                                          • Nov. 5, 2008 (Wednesday after Election Day): -486 (5.0%)
                                                                          • Jan. 9, 2009 (one day after Obama speaks at George Mason University on “need” for $800 billion stimulus package): -143 (1.6%)
                                                                          • Jan. 20, 2009 (Inauguration Day): -332 (4.0%)
                                                                          • Feb. 10, 2009 (one day after Obama declares that without a stimulus, “an economy that is already in crisis will be faced with a catastrophe”): -382 (4.6%)
                                                                          • Feb. 17, 2009 (market opens for the first time after Congress passes $787 billion stimulus on Feb. 13; Obama signs bill into law, declaring, “The stimulus lets Americans claim destiny.”): -298 (3.8%)
                                                                          • Feb. 19, 2009 (one day after Obama announces potential mortgage relief plan): -90 (1.2%)
                                                                          • Feb. 25, 2009 (one day after Obama’s first speech to the full Congress): -80 (1.1%)

                                                                          I would have liked to have spent more time researching this, but this basically gets my point across.

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                                                                          #25.3 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:01 PM EST
                                                                          renard

                                                                          The truth is the wealth of rich people is in stocks and bonds and since credit has dried up they are withdrawing equity from the stock market , they do that by selling stock and when they do that it drives the market down.

                                                                          But my question is where does the poor and lower middle class go to get any help during this economic crisis. You see most of them don't have any assets that they can sell or borrow against.

                                                                          Which means the man or woman who has lost their job or whose business has been forced to close because of this recession that was caused by the really stupid Republican ideas of giving tax cuts to the wealthy and the rich has cost this country almost 7 million jobs last year alone.

                                                                          The poor and lower classes and now even some of the upper middle class are now going to the welfare office, the ADC office, the Family Independence Agency, Catholic Social Services and a lot of other charities and food banks as the try to survive the Republican led destruction of their livelihood and way of life.

                                                                          When George Bush took office in 2000 there were only 17,000,000 million people in America on welfare. And in 2008 when he left office we now have 30,000,000 Americans on welfare.

                                                                          No matter how you look at the economy and the results of Republican policy and ideology it is clear they failed in their primary responsibility of protecting and preserving the American way of life .

                                                                          From the fact of their failure to anticipate and prevent the actual attack by the terrorist on 9/11/2001, to their failure to see and anticipate this horrendous recession the Bush Administration and the Republican Party have been a day late and a dollar short since they came to power in the hotly contested election of 2000.

                                                                          You know what I hate about Republicans the most is and was typified best by John McCain during the Presidential campaign. He made a big show of stopping his Presidential campaign to solve the pressing economic crisis facing our nation, he was as he said " Putting Country First " then he went to Washington DC, sat at the table and did nothing. And the crisis got worse not better as a result of his political posturing.

                                                                          That single act made me understand what the people in the southwestern United States when they say a person" is all hat and no cattle".

                                                                            #25.4 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST
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                                                                            Grandma 7 Times

                                                                            That lineup makes me think of witches sitting around a boiling cauldron with each one stirring madly! What's up with the Republican Party? They MUST be able to come up with speakers who will talk without STIRRING, just for the sake of stirring! The word "RADICAL" comes to mind. Christian? Conservative? I think not, especially the Christian part. Extremists? Yes, definitely!

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                                                                            Reply#26 - Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:28 AM EST
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