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Using lessons from the Great Depression

Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:24 AM EST
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— Many writers and politicians today have been quick to compare the current economy to the Great Depression of the 1930s. President Barack Obama has frequently made this connection, saying things like, “We are going through the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.” 

According to Tulane University economic historian Michael Bernstein, the most striking similarity is the widespread collapse of financial networks. “Banks today are reluctant to loan money to anybody,” he says. “They are sitting on their hands because they have no idea what's coming next. And that's exactly what happened after the stock market collapsed in 1929.” 

On the other hand, Bernstein points out, there are several crucial differences between then and now. We’re not going to be seeing bread lines and soup kitchens like we did back then.  And unemployment may go up, but there’s no reason to think it will come anywhere near the 25 percent rate seen during the Depression. Also, he says, the key difference is that unlike then, people today know the government is prepared to step in to take care of those who are thrown out of work and to bolster banks that are on the verge of collapsing. These differences, he says, make 2009 very different from 1929. 

Amid all the dire-sounding comparisons and political posturing, Washington has scrambled to offer help on the national level. In the short term, however, for small business owners who are struggling to keep their doors open, the best advice may come from those who’ve survived the hard times of the Great Depression.

Lessons from the Great Depression
One who remembers those days is Ella Brennan of New Orleans. While she was only in grade school during the 1930s, she was well aware of what was going on. “You would hear what was going on, banks failing, companies shutting down and factories closing,” she says. “It was a lot like today, and it made people wonder, ‘Oh my God, what does this mean? What's gonna happen?’”

Today, Brennan is the owner of several of New Orleans top restaurants, including the historic Commander’s Palace. She recently moved into a beautiful historic home right next door to the restaurant and offers a well-polished joke about why she moved there. “I used to live two blocks away, but I didn’t like the commute.”

As posh as things are today, Brennan still carries strong memories of the 1930s: “It was a terrible time, but I think it’s like most things in life. It has a lot to do with attitude. I mean, you can bitch and gripe and complain all you want. Or you can make do.”

Making do. Stretching a dollar. Self-reliance. These are all life lessons from the Depression that many of her generation carried with them as adult entrepreneurs. Despite her success, she never fully trusted the prosperity of the decades that have followed. It’s a cautious approach to business that she passed on to her daughter, Ti Martin.

Martin was raised in the food business, and she’s keenly aware of how her mother ran the restaurant. “I grew up with the stories of Mom and her siblings,” she says. “They put all the money back into the business always. They just took out a salary when they could, a meager one at times.”

Martin and her cousin, Lally Brennan, who now run the day-to-day operation of the restaurant, still follow that principle. “We reinvest in this business constantly, even when we absolutely don't have to.”

Surviving the hard times
Another lesson her mother taught her was to never neglect business insurance payments.  When Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005, that cautious approach to insurance more than paid off
“Insurance is a good thing,” she says.

Another lesson Brennan took from the Great Depression is the importance of “keeping flexible.” The idea that everyone needs to be able to wear several hats was key for the family early on while they were starting up … and now they continue this approach, extending it to the way they train their staff.

Martin says that despite the highly specialized skills needed to run one of the nation’s top restaurants, they like to have backup plans to cover emergencies. They do this by cross-training their staff so that different people can wear various hats if needed. By training each employee to perform more than one function, the business is better prepared to weather staffing cutbacks (if needed) without sacrificing the quality of the service. And in fact, lately they’ve managed to stay lean in just this manner, as times get tough.

Both mother and daughter say that there’s only so much you can do to prepare for a crisis.  The key to survival, they say, is to have the right attitude.

“I think the way you survive is you sit down and you say, ‘Now what are our possibilities? And what are our options? What can we do?’” Brennan says. “Then after you’ve looked at the options, you take the best plan you can find and you get to work. And I think it works for most people.”

And in their own way, the politicians and economists seem to agree. In good times and in hard times, expectations can make or break a plan.

Looking at the big picture, Bernstein agrees. “Expectations are an enormous part of the story.”

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s. oberg

"...there's no reason to think (unemployment) will come anywhere near the 25 percent rate seen during the Depression ." Except that the 30's did not have a recurring supply problem with inexpensive oil, which will rear its ugly head again and again every time our present-day economy shows any sign of rallying. There could be remedies for this problem, but they could entail taxation, rationing, and/or market controls. Our elected politicians would universally loathe these options.

    Reply#2 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:44 AM EST
    Walt-404060

    ummmmm, reguardless of what we are told the unemployment rate is.....it is near the 25% rate! It might even be past that. All of these numbers we get on that statistic, rarely include the amount of people who run out of benefits and fall off the books!!! Wake the hell up sheople!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:54 AM EST
    sneilarreal

    How can anyone say there will not be soup lines? There are soup lines for homeless persons in the cities I travel to already....I just believe the soup lines will get bigger but they won't go away.

    One more point to add perspective...The unemployment rate on average over the life of the Great Depression was 17%..... and the real impact of the 1929 crash was not felt for quite sometime after the crash.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:59 AM EST
    AfricanMadman

    Heck, I've seen Lexus and GMC Youkan's at food stamp offices....

    • 3 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:03 AM EST
    sneilarreal

    I was just reading last night about how the Hoover Administration and then the FDR Administration did things that are very similar to (in my opinion) how the Bush Administration and now the Obama Administration are handling matters....so does history repeat itself?

    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:10 AM EST
    Smokeysmom

    Yes, it does. If you forget the lessons of history, you're doomed to repeat them.

    • 1 vote
    #4.3 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:08 PM EST
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    JENN9298

    Lifestyle wise I personally like the fact that people may be forced to live simpler, calmer lives....In the past years the money that families waste on nonsense; handbags that cost $300.00, $250.00 sunglasses, daily runs to the local coffee shop to purchase $4.00 cups of coffee; the newest cell phone that will set back a person $100.00 (the idea that being able to purchase a PHONE for $100.00 would even be considered a good deal is ridiculous) and then there is the monthly phone bill, going out to restaurants almost every night and the average bill being over $50.00 for food that is below quality and mass produced......I could go on and on......

    From reading this, one may think I grew up poor, in fact, just the opposite....We grew up very comfortable and to date we still are.....If people would reevaluate their lifestyles and slow down a little bit they might actually be able to enjoy life more.....When our goal in life is trying to compete with our neighbors we miss the real beauty in life.....Sharing moments and spending time with our loves ones and getting back in touch with who we are as people cost little and is worth millions....During these hard economic times I hope all of us learn to put into place what is important in life....I, for one do not fear the upcoming challenges, I embrace them and even though there will be some rocky roads ahead, I am excited to see where we choose to take ourselves as a people and a Nation....

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:25 AM EST
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    RicInCT

    I am so tired of these useless analogies with the Great Depression!!! The America of the 1930's was a largely Euro-American culture of only 140 million people. Today we have somewhere in the vicinity of 320 million (no one really knows)...we have exported most of our blue collar jobs even as the under class explodes. Contrary to liberal propaganda a "multi-cultural society" appears to be a weakness...not a strength!! Looking at Wall St....big surprise...overachievers are NOT enthusiastic over Pres. Obama's plan to have THEM turn over 40% of all they earn to the IRS. Guess V.P. Biden was wrong...no one seems to feel its their "patriotic duty" to buy sinking stocks or prop up this giant welfare hotel!!!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:26 PM EST
    knapper-931407

    Geeez, what could have been (and started out as) a very good article sure turn out like crap.

    Lose your train of thought Frank?

      Reply#7 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:58 PM EST
      Tamara-931798

      Even though at 50 years old, having a bachelors degree in business and several years in corporate America, I am now working for minimum wage. ( Currently $6.55 per hour). Yes, I said six dollars and fifty cents PER hour.

      Apparently, I am one of the lucky ones. I have insurance (though I can’t afford the co-pays). I’m told that I’m lucky that I have a job. That may be true enough, but somehow or another, I’ve ended up working at a job selling appliances, working on a 100% commission basis against a “to be paid back” minimum wage hourly draw. Essentially, I’m paying them for me to work.

      My company for whatever reason, decided that we needed more people on the floor to help out during the Christmas “rush”…of which there was not one; culminating in every person in my store who sells appliances being in the draw. That means that no matter how well I sell today, tomorrow or even next week, I can expect to be paid $6.55 for at least another month.

      I don’t financially over extend myself. My husband and I live in a modest one bedroom apartment and share one car. We have cut corners in every possible venue, including the daily newspaper and any other regular publications. We have used food stamps in the past and taken advantage of food banks, and tomorrow we’ll be at social services once again.

      My husband, who may normally be able to provide a second income is unable to work due to a back injury. But, because he is white and educated, we can’t get any help from Social Security Income Disability.. Family members who have money (some very significant), want nothing to do with us or anyone else who might need a helping hand.. (Except maybe to possible stranger they see on late night TV and feel that they’re doing their part to “save the world).

      People who have called themselves friends have stolen from us, lied to us, and left us in worse shape than we are already living in. The only blame that I can truly see is the deterioration of family and community in our ever expanding digital world. God Bless American and good luck Obama, I for one have had enough. Without enough money to pay for gas to get back to my immediate family, and even if I did, then what, I can only see the Armageddon has come to visit me sooner that I thought it would.

      I know I’m not the only one in this situation. And I do truly hope that others are able to weather the tribulations that await them. Greed has visited a few too many people and has created the great divide between the classes. Somehow or another, I ended up on the wrong end. Maybe it wouldn’t of hurt so much if I had never tasted the sweet nectar of true living. Good food, friends, music, dancing, traveling and not even giving a thought about worrying of money, I always somehow seemed to attract (it). Now it’s as slippery as a Dolphin dodging a tourist.

      Desiradata has always been my guide for living. Somehow, it just isn’t enough anymore.

      God save us all.

        Reply#8 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 3:28 PM EST
        Satan from Hell

        -"people today know the government is prepared to step in to take care of those who are thrown out of work"-

        To what point? Last time I checked the government didn't even produce the red tape they use.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:08 PM EST
        '53 Korean Vet-527282

        Being from that age, when the "Big Depression" actually swamped everyone, including the Politicians who lived at that time--I can speak of it with some authority-!! It actually lasted from the end of 1929 thru 1938-- The real break from it--came as American factories began to employ more people, in order to produce European supplies for World War II, which had begun in Europe!! Up to that time, Roosevelt & his administration had thrown away millions trying to make a 'dent' in that 'Economic-Crisis', without it giving much to brag about-! There are still organizations, like "Rescue-Missions" for the 'homeless individuals', where food & warm-beds offer shelter from cold nights, & one for needy families. The Mom & Pop grocery stores gave credit for food for the 1st two years of the 'Depression', but then they vanished when their customers failed to pay their food-bills, & then Depression-families were 'stuck' with the"Big Grocery-Stores", who had "Cash Only" policies! Today, the "Mom & Pop" stores are non-existant--for this "Depression", & no one offers "Food for Credit", anymore! But today, you do have 'unemployment-funds' & Welfare--if you're qualified. Today I happen to belong to a 38 adult-member church, & we have 11 members, that are retired on Soc. Sec. that do not work, that volunteer as a "Surplus-Food" distribution-center for the Local "Food- Bank"! Not just our Church, but there are about two-dozen other churches that also offer their time, twice-a-month, to needful families. At our Church, this last Thankgiving, we had listed 180 families, where on Thankgiving in 2007, we were only serving about 120--so that would seem to be a 50% increase. In 1929, 34% of Americans lived on rural farms, they had little money, but enough food to get by. Today, only 16% live as farmers, so the city is one of the 'worst' places for unemployed Americans. In 1960-1962, after I left service, I ran into a "Recession"--when I had to work for 35 cents an hour as a "Insurance Debit-Agent" for 1 1/2 years. I came very close to losing my home, which I obtained under the "GI Loan"! So, I've been there, & barely paid for gas, once-a-week on a "very-strict budget"--!! Yes, it would pay Americans to prepare, like they did for the "Year 2000, micro-chip turn-over Crisis" Do you remember that!? People were buying 100 lbs of dried-beans, oat-meal, dried-soup, de-hydrated boxes of milk, & other canned foods--to prepare for the day, as cash-registers might not operate in the Big Grocery-Stores, & the Refrigation-units might stop operations, leaving tons of cold foods to spoil everywhere. Today's "Melt-Down" Crisis might not cool-off enough--to recover all the jobs that are needed--if you still have a home to live in--!! Better remember the Old Boy Scout "Motto--start in "Being Prepared"!! Tomorrow may get Worse! (A word to the Wise, should be sufficient-!)

          Reply#10 - Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:10 PM EST
          roland-635021

          I think between 1930 and the year 2000. I think in 2000 we recovered and made a surplus of 11 trillion dollars. Now that surplus becomes our national dept?!! A sad and alarming reality. We have to know how we did that, on how we recover on the year 2000 and made a surplus of 11 trillion dollars. We can copy that solution for our economic crises of today.

            Reply#11 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 6:14 AM EST
            space guy

            I think between 1930 and the year 2000. I think in 2000 we recovered and made a surplus of 11 trillion dollars.

            Uh, no.

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            #11.1 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 5:08 PM EST
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            Devil's Son

            The government cops to a unemployment rate of 8.1%. That does not count the thousands that exhausted their benefits and no longer get unemployment compensation. The real rate could be as high as 10% already. The government does not consider them unemployed. They just are NOT part of the work force anymore. What a load of crap! It also doesn't count the thousands of under employed. Those working short weeks or for half of what the made before.

              Reply#12 - Fri Mar 6, 2009 1:39 PM EST
              Heaveto

              What a bunch of moaners and complainers we Americans have become----you have to experience Bad times otherwise you will never appreciate the Good times when they arrive---------the good times were around for too long, people became spoiled----------as those ladies said in the article "you have to learn how to make do!!"-------------and in the "Good Times" you should always keep in mind the "Bad Times!!"----------don't worry, cheer up, this country will weather the storm, as it always has!! ----take this from someone who has been through both, including the Great Depression!!

                Reply#13 - Fri Mar 6, 2009 1:59 PM EST
                American Pie

                Learn lessons from the Great Depression? Hmm. Okay.

                1) Take all money out of bank. Now. Every cent.

                2) Put money in jar. Bury jar in backyard. Mark place with a rock...a sort of tombstone for the economic death we're suffering all over again after "they" said it couldn't happen again.

                3) Hopefully ride out Depression intact, and then maybe live long enough to see Dumbass Greedy Humans do it AGAIN to themselves within 35-40 years. We will never learn.

                  Reply#14 - Fri Mar 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST
                  Heaveto

                  That's one thing I can agree on----humans will NEVER learn, primarily because they take no notice of history and every generation thinks that they are smarter than their parents and grandparents------------and they "scoff" at everything they are told!!!!------only the rich made the "run" on banks in the thirties as the average person NEVER used banks as they had NO surplus cash even in their "good" times, they lived from hand to mouth. Most people today have no concept of what "hard living" is.

                    Reply#15 - Fri Mar 6, 2009 2:27 PM EST
                    bob-311683

                    during the great depression the fat cat bankers jumped out the windows and comitted suicide nowdays they just get another bunch of money from the congress to go on and screw the middle class working people. do the congress or federal goverment care, hell no they just got a pay raise. so get used to it people this is what you get.

                      Reply#16 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:59 PM EDT
                      doktorthomas

                      mindless drivel

                        Reply#17 - Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:37 AM EDT
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