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5Top: Singers who wouldn’t have made it on ‘Idol’

Mon Mar 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT
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— Neil Diamond
Plenty of other iconic singer/songwriters would have problems convincing the judges to advance them far enough to reach the voting rounds. Bob Dylan is an obvious example, of course, along with Tom Waits, Neil Young, Elvis Costello and probably even Billy Joel and Carole King. But Diamond stands out by virtue of two facts. One, he managed (against all odds, really) to transform himself in the 1970s into an honest-to-goodness sex-symbol pop star. And two, last season featured an episode devoted to his songs, with the man himself serving as a mentor. Obviously, “Idol” thinks that he’s got something to teach the contestants about singing, which is surprising considering the strained baritone that Diamond seems like he’s pushing out of his stomach rather than his chest. It’s gotten him exceptionally far in his career. On “Idol,” it wouldn’t take him past the audition round.

Fred Schneider
As the first (and only) band to have ever seen the genius in combining Z-grade sci-fi, Yoko Ono, surf rock and Ethel Merman, the B-52s were a perfect novelty act to come out of the anything-goes ethos that reigned during the mid-‘70s punk explosion. A funny thing happened, though: they stuck around and flourished, turning what probably seemed like a preposterous hobby at the time into an honest-to-goodness career. Unlike, say, bandmate Kate Pierson on her high-profile appearances on R.E.M.’s “Shiny Happy People” and Iggy Pop’s “Candy,” there was no way that Schneider could simply drop his quasi-spoken sprechgesang blare (almost as fun to say as it is to imitate Schneider) and slip quietly into the background. He’d be a foghorn in the “Idol” group sings, though Simon would probably be too horrified to ever let it come to that.

Michael Jackson
Lord knows that Jackson was familiar with the experience of being put through a show-business meat grinder at a tender age by a stern male role model capable of withholding his love at the slightest displeasure. But just because he could endure “Idol” doesn’t mean that “Idol” would necessarily have wanted him. His voice is too watery and nasal for the show’s purposes, and unlike, say, Stevie Wonder, who could pull off both tough and tender, Jackson generally sounded wildly unconvincing when he tried to be a badass. (“Beat It” was the lone exception, but even that shouldn’t have worked.) In a way, “Idol” seems to know this, since David Cook’s “Billie Jean” notwithstanding (rearranged as far away from the original as possible), no contestant has ever distinguished him- or herself by singing an Jackson song. There’s no reason to think that Jacko himself would have done any different.

Donald Fagen
Rarely has anyone taken such an imperfect natural instrument and found ways to both exploit its flaws and transcend them. Steely Dan’s Fagen must have been aware that his voice would be a hard sell at the outset, but when singer David Palmer exited midway through the band’s second album, the keyboardist gamely took over the microphone on a full-time basis regardless. Applying the wiry edges of his voice to his group’s academic and knotty jazz-pop songs, he could express biting cynicism, openhearted vulnerability and any number of shades in between. But the hollow, strangled tone that came out of Fagen’s throat was so extreme and violated so many assumptions about what a “good” singing voice is supposed to sound like that the judges would never be able to get beyond it to hear the delicacy and venom with which he could dispatch it.

Cyndi Lauper
It’s easy for most of the previously mentioned singers to get away with their vocal peculiarities and flaws: they’re songwriters, which gives them an instant connection to their own material. There is, after all, a reason the judges always talk about contestants making songs their own. But with a handful of exceptions, Lauper’s best-known material comes from others, making her singing (and persona) far more important to her success. And Lauper would be a textbook terrible “Idol” audition: a garish sense of style, a voice that alternates between Betty Boop girlishness and piercing banshee power and a delivery that retains her thick Noo Yawk accent and adds all sorts of seemingly unnecessary chirps and hiccups (not to mention a deep confidence in all of the above). It’s a testament to Lauper’s talent that not only survives those debits, she uses all of that to her great advantage. On “Idol,” she’d be considered the worst of the season.

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Janet-550107

I'm always surprised how someone can manage to under estimate Neil Diamond. He was very hot in the 70's (Hot August night album) and he had a huge fan club - including me. He has a unique voice that no one has been able to duplicate that is sexy, and truthful. His lyrics are fantastic and his melodies very memorable. So why do some people just not get him?? I do not know!

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Reply#1 - Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:01 PM EDT
Arizona Grandma-529067

Interesting article. I've been saying this very thing since Idol started. And I always used Bob Dylan as an example. It just goes to show that talent presents itself in varied ways. I can't imagine the 60's without Dylan's beautiful, insightful and poetic music.

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Reply#2 - Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
concerned-memphian

The writer of this article is insane!

Michael Jackson and Cindi Lauper not good enough for Idol?

Give me a break! Talk about two people that could sing the phonebook!

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Reply#3 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
Seabhac Re

The writer of the article is more than insane. You cannot compare the passionate singer/songwriters of the 60's, 70, 80's, and early 90's to this phony, corporate drivel that numb, clueless idol worshipers call singing. How can you compare Dylan to any of the utterly lousy signers that make it through on this phony-reality crap of a show. Dylan wrote the songs he sang, and he sang them in a way that enhanced the story behind the lyrics.

Let's ask the question the other way round. Who from this stupid show would have made it back in the 70's, when popular songs came from the bottom up, as opposed to the top down approach used, to their detriment, by todays record companies. None, not one! If these lousy signers had to become popular by word of mouth the way it was done back then, they'd all have had to find another way to make a living.

Is it any wonder that the only concerts that make profits are from the classic acts from the 70s.

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Reply#4 - Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:54 PM EDT
Dave-1003728

Two obvious chioces came to my mind as I read the article, and to my astonishment, did not even make the voting list! Bjork and Janis Joplin.

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Reply#5 - Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:56 PM EDT
Torchy

Another one that should have made the voting list: Billy Corgan. I personally love his voice for his style of music and could listen to it endlessly. But he'd NEVER make it past the first round on Idol.

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Reply#6 - Mon May 11, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
LusciousDC

Why wasn't Paula Abdul's name listed? She can't sing without all of that electronic help. Her performance on Idol last week was lip synced, I think. Paula is 45+, but she's up on stage being spun around, flipped up and down, this, that, and the other, all while singing. But is barely breathing hard or sweating when the song is done. I know she is in shape, but that that good of shape. Hell Gwen Stefani is way younger, didn't dance as hard and was sweating like a bull.

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Reply#7 - Mon May 11, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
Tristen H

And what does this prove ... that idol is 99.99% BS ... it like everything else these days .... a small group of people kool aid feeding a larger group on what to like and sadly too many people are drinking ... outside of Carrie underwood : like her or not ... no one else has any real lasting appeal to a large enough group of people

    Reply#8 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:03 PM EDT
    Greg-281912

    This article says to me what I've thought all along. American Idol produces boring singers.

    I'll take a B-52s cd any day over anything that has come out of AI.

    (No one in the history of music has ever sounded like the B-52s. I'd argue that they are the most unique rock/pop band ever.)

    Now, let me rise from the floor and jump to the ceiling ala Rock Lobster.

      Reply#9 - Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
      Greg-735155

      What about Miley Cyrus?? Talk about someone with very little talent having a huge career. It's all garbage now. I agree with Seabhac Re above completely.

        Reply#10 - Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
        Linda-1084998

        I can't imagine James Taylor, Carole King or Jim Croce or Roberta Flack being on the list either but they were on top back then!  The music today is manufactured and the artists all sound the same and they do their vocal acrobatics to show off range and the way they roll their voices around it would make me dizzy!  And whoever writes the songs!!! I think the poet ran out of rhymes.  I am a 60s and 70s child and I guess I like the older stuff.  As Bob Seger sang: "Today's music ain't got the same soul...I like that old time rock and roll"

          Reply#11 - Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:43 PM EDT
          Conrad Shull-598028

          No one worth listening to in the last forty years would make it on AI. And conversely, very, very few (to my ears, none) who have made it on AI are worth listening to.

            Reply#12 - Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT
            Jammers

            That's why Idol sucks. Who gives a @!$%# if someone can't hit all the high notes. No wonder why the music business sucks today. Mariah carey could hit all the notes but her music is total rubbish and complete @!$%#.

              Reply#13 - Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:49 PM EDT
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