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Is breast-feeding really best?

Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
health, science, only-on-msnbc-com, her, formula, she, infants, breast-feeding, bonding, parenting--family
msnbc.com News — Mike Celizic, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

Woman Breastfeeding Baby

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— After decades of indoctrination delivered with evangelical fervor, American women have come to take it as an article of faith that if they don’t breast-feed their children, they'll grow up to be underachievers plagued with health problems and lacking a bond with their mother.

But, writes one brave, breast-feeding mother of three in the current issue of The Atlantic magazine, the science isn’t nearly as clear as the parenting propaganda. And babies raised on formula can be just as healthy and smart and wonderful as infants raised on mother’s milk.

“Many people feel like they failed if they can’t breast-feed,” Hanna Rosin, the article’s author, told TODAY’s Natalie Morales. “Many women feel ‘I’m giving my child poison if I give him formula.’ ”

Rosin had believed that to be the truth and dutifully and happily breast-fed her first two children for a full year each, the amount of time recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics. But by her third child — also breast-fed — she started to wonder what the truth was behind all the claims made for breast-feeding.

After extensive research into the medical literature, Rosin concluded that while there are benefits to breast-feeding, it’s not nearly the panacea it’s portrayed to be.

In the article, “The Case Against Breast-Feeding,” she writes: “[T]he medical literature looks nothing like the popular literature … A couple of studies will show fewer allergies, and then the next one will turn up no difference. Same with mother-infant bonding, IQ, leukemia, cholesterol, diabetes …’ The studies do not demonstrate a universal phenomenon, in which one method is superior to another in all instances,’ concluded one of the first, and still one of the broadest, meta studies, in a 1984 issue of Pediatrics, ‘and they do not support making a mother feel that she is doing psychological harm to her child if she is unable or unwilling to breast-feed.’ Twenty-five years later, the picture hasn't changed all that much.”

The breast debate
NBC chief medical editor Dr. Nancy Snyderman points out that infants do get certain immunological benefits from breast-feeding, and the act itself promotes bonding between mother and child. Advocates also claim that breast-fed infants have higher IQs and are less susceptible to ear infections, diarrhea, pneumonia, obesity, diabetes and sudden infant death syndrome.

But on those points, Snyderman backed up Rosin, saying, “The science is not so strong.”

If the science isn’t that strong, the ideological positions are. “What we come down to is this argument that pits mothers against each other,” Snyderman said.

Rosin and her husband live in Washington, D.C., where she works from home as a contributing editor of The Atlantic and a founding editor of Double X, a new women's magazine affiliated with Slate launching in May. She wrote that in her upper-middle-class peer group, other mothers would start inching away from her when she said that she was thinking about feeding her newest child formula.

“It’s nice to breast-feed. It’s lovely. It’s a bonding thing and it’s really sweet,” she said. “It’s just that it’s not medicine.”

Breast-feeding also has benefits for the mother. Research indicates that it produces hormones that make the womb shrink to its normal size faster and, because it consumes calories, it can help a woman more quickly lose the weight she gained during pregnancy and it delays the resumption of menstruation, which helps nursing women retain more iron.

But that doesn’t mean women who can’t breast-feed for whatever reason are doing themselves and their children irreparable harm, Rosin concluded after her research.

Snyderman said that breast-feeding is best. “Every woman should be encouraged to try breast-feeding,” she said. But, she added, women who either don’t or can’t breast-feed should not be stigmatized.

“Formula is wonderful,” she said.

Despite her research showing that formula-fed babies can grow up just fine, Rosin wrote that she remains ambivalent about the subject. While she still breast-feeds her infant son, she also feels no guilt if she feeds him formula because her schedule doesn’t give her time to nurse him.

“Breast-feeding does not belong in the realm of facts and hard numbers; it is much too intimate and elemental,” she concluded in her article. “It contains all of my awe about motherhood, and also my ambivalence. Right now, even part-time, it's a strain. But I also know that this is probably my last chance to feel warm baby skin up against mine, and one day I will miss it.”

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Nora-965717

THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THIS STORY. I am a young mother who felt like my whole pregancy that breastfeeding would be a piece of cake and my son would be healthier for it.

When I had Jamie he was so Jaundice he didn't nurse well so my milk never came in properly, I would pump for a hour and get maybe a ounce. After taking herbs that made my bo smell like maple syrup and reglan that made me so depressed I would bawl everytime Jamie needed to eat. I felt like a faliure. I would get angry at Jamie for spitting up, Didn't he know how hard I was working to breastfeed him? Every drop was liquid gold to me.

To the advice of the lactation consultants, I gave up... the day I stopped breastfeeding was the best day for my son and I. We finally were able to start bonding. My Son is 3 1/2 mos and 17.6lbs 27inches long.... he has been rolling over from his back to his front and front to back for a month now and it quite the chatter box. Obviously the formula is not doing any harm.

I wish the pressure hadn't been there.

BTW. I tried to call and email La Lecha Leaque and they never returned my calls or emails.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
Stephanie, RN

All that matters is that you tried. At least your son is growing like he should (sounds like a little chunk-er-oo). I am happy you found what worked for you:)

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT
Dan-525337

thats a shame noone called you back.  i find this article very opinionated.  The science is there to support breastfeeding as the best source of nutrients for an infant.   This article is shameless in the way it leaves me feeling like, "okay, so breastmilk is better, but not too much better!"  Thats silly!  That is no argument for a "case against breastfeeding!"  Anyway, that said, if you can not breastfeed, it does not make you any less of a mother.  But I am all for encouraging breast feeding.  Mothers just need the support to know whats going on and how to do it efficiently.  But it has been shunned in this society - the nurses at my hospital seemed turned off by breastfeeding!!!  Thats crazy!!!

    #1.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:59 PM EDT
    Capt Tripps

    neither of my sons wee breastfed by their mother, and both are as fat and happy toddlers as can be. I've never heard any doctor or nurse say formula is bad for babies, and I kind of think the point of this article was just that - either one will give you a healthy, happy child, so don't stress over the decision.

    • 2 votes
    #1.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:16 PM EDT
    Auzziegirl

    At 49 when I had my last child, I breast fed for two-and-a-half years! All I can say is the toll it took on my body, physically, was excruciating, it took me more than two-and-a-half-years to recover! On the other hand, my daughter is off the charts in every way, as well as being an honor roll student. (I was very average in school.) I can't say this is because of the breast feeding, but I can't rule it out either. Aside from that, just the closeness you have with your baby during this time, is priceless! It was worth every bit of pain and agony I went through. If I was able too - I would do it again - no question!

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT
    Desertgirl

    It's ridiculous that certain elements of society broadcast their message in such a way that those mothers who CANNOT breast feed (like Nora) are made to feel like failures and to feel ashamed of that fact.

    I am firmly of the opinion that breast feeding is best; however MY opinion is just that: My own opinion. Each individual needs to make their own decision AND receive the support and privacy they deserve in reaching a decision.

    A woman isn't a hero just because she breast fed her baby. Women have been doing that for tens of thousands of years all over the world.

    • 4 votes
    #1.5 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:14 PM EDT
    Natalie-966925

    Nora - I had the same experience. I tried lactation teas, herbal supplements that made the milk smell like maple syrup and even gave my son diarrhea in the process. It was horrible. My milk never came in and the most I ever pumped was 2 oz of maple syrup smelling milk.

    To all the opinionated mothers who go on and on about how wonderful and natural it is, well for some of us it isn't...so keep your opinions to yourself and stop judging! I went on for two months thinking I was the worst mother in the world because of it and then I discovered how wonderfully happy and intelligent a formula fed infant can be! My son is 4 and very smart and healthy (thank God). It just doesn't work for everyone.

    • 4 votes
    #1.6 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:41 PM EDT
    Sherrietr

    Thank you Natalie, I agree. Furthermore , I believe that the mothers who choose not to breastfeed should not be judged either.

    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:16 AM EDT
    GOZO-unlimited

    We are certainly lacking support in the area of breastfeeding.....it is imperative that women support and educate each other in this area. Ms. Snyderman is very dangerous...there are...... many studies and anecdotal information that shows the positive effects of breastfeeding...the problem is we have no studies performed on the poison produced and marketed as formula. Are we surprised? So you decide....do you want to give your child the best opportunity to live a healthy, happy life?

      #1.8 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
      Michele Cook

      If you call support giving a hormonal tired new mom that just had a c section and is doped up on pain killers and has no idea what she is doing her new baby and saying "here feed your child or he will starve and NO I am not going to give him a bottle for you" support.

      If you call judgement of "You will breastfeed your baby or you are pretty much being an abusive bad mom and you will ruin your kid for life" support.

      If you call "If you don't breastfeed you will be feeding them poison" as you just stated support.

      You are right, there is no support, and you are part of the problem it seems, not the solution.

      • 2 votes
      #1.9 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
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      jmoorhead

      I am really getting sick and tired of people trying to tell women that they have to breastfeed.  When I had my first child, the nurses said you have to breastfeed, so I tried, but after 2 days and my daughter screaming, we went to the doctor and she lost a full pound.  We found out that my breasts did not produce any milk, so that goodness for formula.  I wish people would stop pushing women into breastfeeding, it is your choice and sometimes may be a medical condition.  I will never regret formula feeding and my children are healthy and smart.  My sister in law breast feed all her children and they all had major ear infections since they were born.  According to Nancy Snyderman, breastfeeding prevents them, so explain that to me!

      • 5 votes
      Reply#2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
      Louis-341878

      ONE SWALLOW DOES NOT A SUMMER MAKE

      You're confusing general trends with episodes. Doctors routinely test black patients for the sickle-cell trait, just as they routinely warn fair-skinned patients with skin conditions of the dangers of skin cancer from exposure to sunlight. That doesn't mean that there are no cases of black people with skin cancer, or fair-skinned people who spend their lives in the sun all year round with no ill effects. That doesn't mean that doctors are wrong to advise their patients about precautions.

      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
      Hot-in-Miami

      Thank you jmoorhead, your comment is very much appreciated. I was made to feel like crap and like a bad mother when I tried breastfeeding for a week and could not breastfeed. Everyone assumed that because I was well-endowed, that I should naturally be producing lots of milk and that it would flow like water. I was bleeding, miserable, and felt sick every time the nurses would hand my daughter to me for feeding, it was like "oh no, here comes more pain and torture". I was not looking forward to it at all, and I tried to consult several different lactation nurses and eventually the doctors, relatives and nurses saw how miserable I was, how depressed, the constant bleeding, the fact my body was trying to fight multiple infections from the c-section all at the same time, my stitches which opened up from the constant crying, the post-partum depression, etc. and decided to stop scolding me because I truly was in pain. It was as if I needed to offer proof that I truly was in pain for people to apologize and back off. I wish people would lay off and quit giving women who do not nurse a guilt trip, it's a personal decision that should only be left to the mother, not the nurses, not the relatives, but the woman who's trying in vain and fighting the pain. It's fine to try and anyone who does is to be commended, but people should not scold or bully the woman who gives up, not because she feels it's a burden, but because she legitimately can't or is in pain. It's no one's business what choice she makes and she should never be made to feel as if she is a bad mother for something so trivial as to what her child is fed. I was fed with formula ever since I was born and I turned out just fine; there's no reason to assume that all children who were fed with formula will be high school dropouts because of what they were fed as a baby!

      • 4 votes
      #2.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT
      lucy-263358

      I wonder how much of this claptrap is just propaganda to make the ego if some women feel better that they're part of a fad that is suppposed to be better for their babies---Strikes me as the same sort of reasoning that destroys jobs in order to save an insignificant fish.

      • 2 votes
      #2.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT
      Desertgirl

      I'm not sure ear infections and breast feeding can be linked. Nor can intelligence and breast feeding.

      My mother breast fed me til I was 2 and my sister was born. As an infant, I regularly suffered ear infections because of some weird thing about my ear canals. I was also on the honor roll all through school and graduated the top 10 percent of my class from law school. I chalk that up to hard work.

      • 3 votes
      #2.4 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
      Michele Cook

      I think the ear infection thing is largely from Moms who used to prop bottles up in bed with babys allowing them to fall asleep with them and then the milk ran out of their mouth and into their ear causing sugar to be in the ear and act as food for the bacteria in a warm, moist environment. This has largely decreased since most parents are educated not to "prop bottles" anymore.

      • 1 vote
      #2.5 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:50 PM EDT
      RBowlesUSA

      Breast feeding is definitely better for the baby. here are the benefits: maternal/infant bonding, premixed-right temp and concentration, Immunity- protective effects against enteric and other pathogens, less diarrhea, less spitting up, less atopic dermatitis, less intestinal bleeding, less allergies and chronic illnesses. In addition it helps with maternal weight loss and a faster return of the uterus to preconceptional size.

      However, It is important that the baby gets the proper nutrition. If the mother isn't producing enough milk then alternate with breast and formula. And if she can't produce the milk then formula is the answer.

      And someone mentioned the baby loss weight which is common following birth. Usually they return to their birth weight by 2 weeks.

      • 1 vote
      #2.6 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:29 PM EDT
      Michele Cook

      The faster weighloss is a myth. I did not lose one ounce breastfeeding. In fact the Mom has to consume More calories to keep up with adequate milk production and the milk has to have a high enough fat content to help her baby gain weight. In fact the amount of fat a nursing mother must consume is more than a non nursing mother. You are also sitting for hours on end nursing rather than getting up being active. Those that have experienced weight loss while nursing I think would have lost the weight anyway. As it is, I did not lose one little bit until I Stopped nursing.

      • 3 votes
      #2.7 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:39 PM EDT
      JenniMom

      The faster weightloss is NOT a myth. There have been multiple studies done that prove that bf moms lose the weight faster..admitted you do have to consume more calories, but they are easily burned off while BF. If you are sitting all day long rather than up being active, that is your choice. A newborn baby sleeps for 14-18 hours per day on average, I would think that would give you adequate time to do something active.

        #2.8 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
        Stephanie, RN

        I know after my last two C-sections, I was in so much pain and so exhausted from being up with my babies that I didn't feel like doing much of anything until about 2 weeks post-partum. Don't miss those days at all!

          #2.9 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT
          Michele Cook

          ROFL JenniMom My sons did NOT sleep 14-18 hours a day. I am glad yours did.

          I also was working after my 6 weeks checkup up on my feet for 12 hours straight as a charge nurse on a busy telemetry floor all night long. I would come home and my son would not nap unless I napped with him. Up and down hallways passing pills, giving treatments, doing rounds....and don't tell me those patients slept all nights because there are enough nurses on this vine to refute THAT myth!! Then if there was a code it was not walking it was running and aerobics. Still no weight loss.

          I would love to have been a part of those multiple studies. I wonder if they take natural matabolism into account. Or maternal age, for 20 somethings maybe, I was in my early 30's. It did not work. I stand by my comment.

          • 1 vote
          #2.10 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:13 PM EDT
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          goofusngallant

          I agree that you shouldn't make moms who can't breastfeed feel like crap, but every mom should be encouraged to at least try and breastfeed first. I don't think that women should NOT breastfeed just because it is "uncomfortable" or "inconvenient" for them.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT
          Enma3

          I don't think that women should NOT breastfeed just because it is "uncomfortable" or "inconvenient" for them.

          Breastfeeding was extremely pain-full for me, not "uncomfortable"--pain-full and I have an extremely high pain threshold.

          After getting the guilt trip that I must breastfeed, I tried with my first child for six weeks--every time he was hungry, I was dreading feeding him. I finally gave up and holding my child, giving him a bottle became the joy feeding him was supposed to be. Had I continued, I probably would have caused him far more harm, as he would have picked up on my tenseness. What is best for your baby is what is best for both of you and bring both of you the most joy.

          • 7 votes
          #3.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
          just my thoughts-375664

          Breastfeeding is a choice. You either do it or you don't. Many women are not comfortable breastfeeding and I have talked to several women that said, like the above poster, that it is painful.

          No one should make a women feel guilty about her choice to breastfeed or not. If you believe it is the right thing to do, fine, you have that right. If you don't or can't do it, that is your choice as well.

          I breastfeed my fist daughter for about 7 months with no problems. Five years later my second daught came along and I started breastfeeding with no problem, until she came down with severe allergies at the age of 6 weeks. None of the doctors knew exactly what she was allergic to, so I was advised to discontinue breastfeeding. After weeks of trying different formulas, we finally settled on the "rolls royce" of formula, which, at the time, cost us about $16.00 per day! It was a health issue.

          In the course of bottle feeding her I ran across many who disapproved. I simply stated my case. I found that if you stand up to these radicals, on both sides, and if you have the courage of your convictions you usually shut them up.

          Like I said, it's a personal choice.

          • 4 votes
          #3.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
          Mamasita

          Inconvenient or uncomfortable are perfectly good reasons to not breastfeed. This is a matter of choice. My choice was to breastfeed and it was easy for me luckily. However, just because I found it easy does not mean that I would force my views onto other mothers. Motherhood is a lot of work despite how you decide to feed your baby and it takes a lot of love and caring. That is what is most important!

          • 5 votes
          #3.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT
          Michele Cook

          Amen!!!!!!!

          • 1 vote
          #3.4 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
          Dan-525337

          hands down...breastfeeding is absolutely superior to formula. Think organic vs processed. Its as simple as that. The argument should not be about the health benefits of one vs the other, formula doesnt stand a chance!!!

          • 2 votes
          #3.5 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
          Michele Cook

          See my post 31.1. Should we then give all babies banked human milk in your opinion if their mothers cannot products enough milk. Or if in that case their Moms are drug addicts or alcoholics and not producing safe milk??

          • 2 votes
          #3.6 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:05 PM EDT
          Desertgirl

          Michele: Wet nurses? I'm sure Salma Hayek would be happy to the job.

          • 1 vote
          #3.7 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
          GreenMom-996976

          Inconvenience is a good reason not to breastfeed? I think if a 'mother' is 'incovienienced' by her child, maybe she should consider adoption. How can that be OK? My breasts are attached to my body. They are with me, ready to go, anytime. Formula has to be made. Bottles have to be washed. You have to run to the store and get more should you run out (which I imagine you do since canisters of formula are not bottomless as far as I know). How is bottle feeding more convenient than breastfeeding? Anyone inconvenienced by their child should go get sterilized so they don't have any more incoveniences. Disgusting.

          It is for reasons like this that I think formula feeders get crap. They say things like that. How can one NOT think someone is a bad parent for a comment like that?

          • 1 vote
          #3.8 - Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:37 AM EDT
          Sherrietr

          Well, cloth diapers have been found to be better for baby...did you use them? Furthermore, what about every other thing on this planet that is better for them that could be considered inconvenient. People have a right to their decisions without any judgement from those with your opinions.

          • 1 vote
          #3.9 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:28 PM EDT
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          Louis-341878

          ALL ABOUT BEAUTY FULL MAMARIES

          I for one am convinced that my present equanimity in the face of adversity, and the enormous pleasure I derive from even casual contact with the female body are all founded on my early close contact with a loving mother, (and she had seven kids!). We don't see the buzz word psycho-somatic in the literature so much these days, but that's because like the word, gestalt, these terms refer to syndromes that have gained a wide and fundamental acceptance of their importance to mental health issues. The writer did not convince me that these issues have been thoroughly resolved on the topic.

            Reply#4 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
            S-965807

            Breastfeeding is NATURAL. Yes, it does not come easily for some, both mom and baby have to learn how to work together. Do you people honestly think that something that is manufactured is as goof for your baby as something that comes from nature? It's common sense!

            Women are too quick to quit rather than educate themselves on how to make the process easier. To me, that's giving up on your baby.

            This article is just meant to pacify those mothers who feel inadequate for not breastfeeding.

              Reply#5 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
              Louis-341878

              EUPHORIA

              Look at the picture! You want to tell me that little kid is not in heaven right now? With a bottle they merely look content. Content is good. Contentment vs EUPHORIA!!! Which would a loving mother prefer for her child! With the exception of a physical insufficiency, I DO think it is a character issue! I wouldn't want to marry a woman who didn't want to breast feed a child. How do you think she would treat a husband?! Go Selma!!

              • 1 vote
              Reply#6 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
              newsblog903

              How do you think she would treat a husband?!

              Not like the big, fat, dependant babies some want to be. Get over it. Having a baby hanging on you is enough. Having a husband clinging is asking too much! Grow up before you get married, please!

              • 13 votes
              #6.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:04 PM EDT
              sorrelen

              And you can tell he is in heaven from that picture how? You can't even see the baby's face. I was not breastfed since my mother had to have a breast reduction beforehand. The relationship we have is awesome, our bond was forged from other issues not stemming from being fed with formula.

              Oh and I have a degree in Aerospace Engineering so not being breast fed surely didn't affect my mental capacities.

              What does how she treats a husband and whether she decides to breastfeed or not have to do with each other?

              • 10 votes
              #6.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
              newsblog903

              Apparently, he is one of those men with a breast fixation! Some men think women are alive only to nuture them. We are just a bunch of walking and hopefully not much talking breasts. boo, hiss to them. :(

              • 6 votes
              #6.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:52 PM EDT
              sorrelen

              newsblog,

              I was thinking the same thing :-) He was thinking about how he was in euphoria from looking at the breast!

              • 3 votes
              #6.4 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:00 PM EDT
              newsblog903

              It never ceases to amaze me the power of the breast! Men go crazy, revert to infants, all in the name of an adipose filled sac!

              • 3 votes
              #6.5 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
              martvol

              My first born didn't take to the breast. I am so glad the other four did. Breast milk is a lot cheaper then powdered. I also thing the last four never got sick as often as the first.

              On a side note... They show a picture of a woman breast feeding. No problem with that. When they reported about a HOOTERS in China during the Olympics, no picture. When they reported about the smallest outfit ever at Carnival in Brazil, no pictures. I like pictures. Remember a picture is worth a thousand words. Ok, so most of those words would be oooh, and Ahhh. Still I like pictures.

              "adipose" ?????? No... The breast is not made of fat, It is a gland.

              • 1 vote
              #6.6 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
              newsblog903

              A gland with lots of fat in some cases. The more fat the more men seems to drool. Go figure as fat does not equate with milk production! And it's funny how when those fat deposits are located anywhere else on the body it's not cool at all! I'm checking out my thighs as we speak! Not cool, not cool at all.

              • 1 vote
              #6.7 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:59 PM EDT
              Capt Tripps

              hey news, it's always LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. I actually wanted my exwife to breastfeed our kids just so I could watch (of course I put it in terms of the benefits, both health and financial). Unfortunately she wasn't having it.

                #6.8 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT
                newsblog903

                Capt Tripps: You are sooooo busted but at least you are honest! :)

                • 1 vote
                #6.9 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
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                nancyofthenorth

                I agree with goofusngallant. When we decide to have children, we should already be committed to expecting some inconvenience raising a child. But I did not find breastfeeding to be inconvenient. In the beginning I found breastfeeding uncomfortatable because I was doing it wrong. After some good advice I continuead to breastfeed beyond the one year mark. I think every woman CAN breastfeed, if they don't give up and want to in the first place. Look up your local LeLeche League or find a book about breastfeeding. Breast IS best.

                  Reply#7 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:19 PM EDT
                  Enma3

                  No, every woman can NOT breastfeed. For reasons we need not discuss now!

                  Quit giving new mothers unnecessary guilt trips. My sister did not breastfeed her children because it was so much better for them, her main reason was she was too lazy to sterilize bottles and make formula!

                  • 6 votes
                  #7.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
                  sharon-734350

                  thats true but there are no other reasons why a Mother should not try. I would rather bf than take shots to stop it...thats been proven over the years to be dangerous to a womans health later in life. If you are a career woman...why have a baby then? You won't be there for bf or hardly anything else. But no one should feel guilt over their choices they just need to think it all out before getting the baby.

                    #7.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT
                    Fawn-417263

                    Women with a history of PCOS generally find it difficult to breastfeed because of underdeveloped ducts, although it improves with subsequent pregnancies.

                      #7.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT
                      WhatThe??

                      sharon - they dont give shots to prevent milk production anymore. Women who choose not to or cant breast feed must suffer the milk let down and drying up just like everyone else. (Oh and the cabbage works great!) And are you saying that if you work and cant breast feed that you shouldnt have a baby? That is rediculous!! and very biased. Shame on you! Women should support eachother, working or not!!

                      • 4 votes
                      #7.4 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
                      Art20

                      Sharon, you are extremely ignorant to think that a woman cannot have children and a career. My mother must have been SUPER WOMAN!!! (Oh, and guess what, she didn't nurse me!)

                      Ladies with babies, the bottom line is this: FEED YOUR BABY. Breast milk or formula- feed your baby.

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.5 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
                      airforcewife-965997

                      amen

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.6 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:19 PM EDT
                      Capt Tripps

                      my ex had to wear a strap around her chest until she stopped producing milk. Do't know if that's typicalor not. I was kind of disappointed.

                        #7.7 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
                        Michele Cook

                        Yep, pretty typical.

                          #7.8 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
                          Desertgirl

                          Mmm, so women who have had their breasts removed (along with the mammary glands) can breast feed, in your opinion?

                          And I suppose women who have tried and whose breasts do not produce milk just don't want to breast feed badly enough? What are they supposed to do? Just keep trying and wishing until their babies die from malnutrition?

                          • 3 votes
                          #7.9 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:32 PM EDT
                          Natalie-966925

                          No, every woman cannot breast feed. I went to FOUR doctors, after my breast milk simply did not come in. You cannot make this JUDGEMENT. People like you are the reason some new moms feel inadequate. How rude and infuriating!

                          • 2 votes
                          #7.10 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:14 PM EDT
                          Michele Cook

                          and my baby brother could have starved to death had my mom continued to listen to people like her....then she would have been charged with child homicide.

                          It is called common sense. I had a friend who could not breast feed because her milk did not have enough fat in it. No, every woman can not breast feed. Yes, they can go through the motions, so I guess you can say "Every woman can breast feed". Maybe a better term would be "Every baby cannot thrive on it's Moms breast milk". What did they do before bottles? The infant mortality rate was much higher, babies died!! There were wet nurses!! There is a reason why there is a thing called breast milk banks for donated breast milk and no it is not because there are a bunch of lazy ass moms out there that just don't want to breast feed or pump!!

                          • 3 votes
                          #7.11 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
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                          Kami-965999

                          I don't think that women should NOT breastfeed just because it is "uncomfortable" or "inconvenient" for them.

                          There are many choices we make as parents that are based on convenience and comfort. We could open the door onto too many topics... isn't staying home to raise your children the right thing to do? But many find it boring or inconvenient to give up the money so they continue to work. Isn't cooking home meals with fresh meats and vegetables the right thing to do? But often we don't have time so we opt for canned and "ready in minutes" packaged meals.

                          I find it annoying that people can talk about the sacrifices that motherhood entails only when it fits their agenda. But if it's more convenient to give junior a toy or a cookie to shut him up or you drive through McD because your late for school then we all of a sudden forget about sacrifice vs convenience.

                          BF vs bottle is tiresome and I wholy wish the whole country would get on with it already...

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#8 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
                          newsblog903

                          BF vs bottle is tiresome and I wholy wish the whole country would get on with it already...

                          Me too.

                          • 4 votes
                          #8.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
                          Bdelfin

                          Me three! lol...

                          I breastfed (and still continue to) my baby, but i won't deny that part of me did it because I thought I'd be a horrible mother if I fed him formula. It's nonsense, I know, but there is SO much pressure!

                          • 1 vote
                          #8.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT
                          Sarah-965496

                          AMEN!!!!

                            #8.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:33 PM EDT
                            Sherrietr

                            Me three! lol...

                            I breastfed (and still continue to) my baby, but i won't deny that part of me did it because I thought I'd be a horrible mother if I fed him formula. It's nonsense, I know, but there is SO much pressure!

                            Me four, then I guess me breastfeed ing to reduce my risk of breast cancer (I am in high risk category) makes me a bad mother...lol. I did not breastfeed my first and he was and is fine (thank God) in every way shape and form...don't let people make you feel bad. I'm sure if we were to do a survey we would find interesting facts concerning

                            a) how much junk food kids are allowed to eat against doctors advice.

                            b)excessive amount of t.v., computere, and other electronics.

                            c) children left excessively long with babysitters or daycare

                            We can all find plenty of things to judge other parents for...this should be considered before people start with the breast is best preaching.

                            • 2 votes
                            #8.4 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:30 AM EDT
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                            maymom123

                            I BF both of my boys but no longer than six months. Once I went back to work it was simply too difficult to keep my milk supply up and with my second son the only option was to sit in the bathroom at work to pump. GROSS! I wouldn't trade those memories for the world nor would I judge another woman to be less of a mother because she made the decision not to BF.

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#9 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
                            Melissa in NorCal

                            One thing this article missed was that breast milk is free. If you can breastfeed, do so, if you can't (for whatever reason), don't. Apparently, I refused to breastfeed as a newborn. My mother tried for 5 days after my birth. She didn't feed me anything else and I was so stubborn, I guess I chose starvation over the breast. She gave up and id the bottle. I'm just fine. I'm due in a few months and would love to brestfeed,but we'll see how it works out. I hope it does. I fully expect it to be very painful at first. I plan to suck it up and wait out the pain for a few weeks and see how it goes. My sister-in-law said nipple soreness goes away after about 1 to 2 weeks, but she said everytime your milk comes in, it feel like a limb has gone to sleep but worse. She said you'll get use to it eventually. I'm hoping to make it work, but if I can't, I won't feel like a failure.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#10 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:49 PM EDT
                            Michelle-060802

                            Just a note of encouragement for your upcoming breastfeeding. I had a very difficult time with my daughter because I wasn't given the proper help and didn't know enough to ask the right questions. Our nursing relationship was very difficult and didn't last very long. With my son (who is 3 months), I got better help and it is much easier. It took about 8 weeks for it to become "easy", so don't give up if the discomfort/pain lasts longer than 2 weeks...it will go away eventually. Once you get over the initial hump, it's wonderful.

                            If you do end up switching to formula, don't feel bad about it. My daughter was mostly a formula baby...she's great and our bonding was not affected.

                            • 1 vote
                            #10.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
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                            sharon-734350

                            what did Mothers do when breastfeeding was not an option? It has been done by humans and animals since the earth began...what else can you people pick to harp on?

                              Reply#11 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
                              Michele Cook

                              Babies died. The infant mortality rate was much higher.

                              • 4 votes
                              #11.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:06 PM EDT
                              Desertgirl

                              If they could afford it they hired a wet nurse. If not.....see Michele's answer

                              • 1 vote
                              #11.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:35 PM EDT
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                              Heather-966105

                              I breast-fed all three of my children and loved every minute of it. I didn't do it for a full year, I did it as long as I was able to. My last two I had to supplement with formula. While I do believe breast-feeding is best for the baby, I also realize that there are women who can't produce milk and/or it's painful and babies who don't have the muscle development to suckle a breast. I believe that as long as both mother and child are happy with however the child is being fed, then that's the way to go. No one should feel like a failure if they are unable to breast-feed. My sister was unable to breast-feed either one of her children and they are both extremely smart and my nephew is a star baseball player.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#12 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
                              Michele Cook

                              Ya know what? I was bottle fed. I am hardly ever sick, I have zero allergies and I do just fine thank you. My baby brother was breast fed. My Mom was not producing enough milk yet kept trying and trying and would not supplement because some fool from Le leche league kept telling her to. She finally did the right thing and listened to her instincts and switched to a bottle and still suffers massive guilt for it. I breastfed both of my babies and did just fine, however one had SEVERE colic (which it is said that babies that are breastfed don't get, when I brought that up to the "breastfeeding consultant" I was told "well....yeah they do, but it is less as I could not Imagine it being worse!!). My second son was breastfed and had severe reflux, was barfing all the time and had to be on meds for it, got ear infections all the time requiring ear tubes, and they thought he had asthma. Once again I asked "I thought breastfed babies did not get these problems??" and once again I was told, "Well, they do , but it would be so much worse if you did not...." (respiratory treatments, zantac every day, ear tube surgery.....how much worse could it get?????).

                              Then there is the pros and cons to the Mom. Yes, it is a wonderful closeness to your child, being able to give your baby something only you can give, nutrition and food from your body alone. However you also have to deal with trying to go out without people thinking bad of you if you need to feed your child, and yes there are still many people, right or wrong that have issues with it. I have stood in a dirty ladies room stall feeding my child. Discusting!! I have sat in a womans room in a chair feeding my child, yet still had other women stare rudely. Use a receiving blanket over you say? Well, I tried that, my particular child did not like that and I walked out into the food court and my child reached up and threw it off!! Bascially because of other peoples attitudes of breasts as sexual, it is extremely self limiting because it makes others uncomfortable, and people cannot handle it as a method for feeding an infant. People are just plain too immature, especially men. Come on, look at most men, when they are talking to a pretty women...where are they talking to? where are their eyes? Believe me when they are talking to them, they are not thinking of a pastrami sandwich, and most of these guys wives are well aware of this too.

                              Then there is the going back to work issue. I had it a little lucky my second time because I worked at a hospital where I had access to a hospital grade maternity pump. The first time all I had was a hand pump and basically just did it to relieve pressure. If you do not do so, you will be trying to work feeling like you are punched in the chest, not well for productivity and thought process. Most jobs now say they will give you time to pump, meaning they will not penalize you for taking time to do so, but your time must not conflict with the work getting done and good luck finding the time!! If it results in you "drying up" and stopping breastfeeding....oh well. Even as a neonatal nurse, where I am to preach to the new Moms that breast is best, they did not really care if I was able to keep up with it for my own child. Also anyone who has ever used the form of torture called the breastpump.....enough said. Then there is the matter of storing, transporting said milk home.....another headache. Your co workers certainly don't want it in with their lunch. After 12 hours of grueling work and just wanting to get home to your child, one has been known to forget it. I once had a Male nurse take my ice packs that I needed to pack my milk in to take home that I had in the freezer to pack around a septic patient on the floor. So much for my ice packs.

                              Lastly There is the comfort level of the Mom even starting out. The baby can sense the Moms comfort level, and as a nurse I have seen many many women doing it just because they are pressured by family, doctors, friends, etc that they will be a "BAD mom if they do not". This is not the reason to do it. They will be miserable, and the baby will sense this and it is not good for many reasons. Bonding for one, possible resentment, and the baby and mom are still learning the ropes in feeding and learning to appreciate each other. One morning as a maternity nurse I walked into a room of a Mom I had been assisting in breastfeeding all night. She had had difficulty and asked me to bottlefeed the baby through the night and I did. In the morning I found her in tears and she confessed to me that she absolutely hated it, that it creeped her out and that the only reason she did it was that the doctor told her off and had her in tears making her feel like an evil mom if she did not. I sat down and talked to her and told her that she had to do what was best for her and her baby and that the baby could sense her feelings and that she and her baby would be much happier together and enjoy each other more that way. I told her I was bottle fed and am never sick and it would be fine. She thanked me, I got her a bottle and she held, loved and fed her baby. I went back to the nursery and ran into that doctor and we had a long talk. I told HIM...Yes, it was a HIM who had no boobs and could never grow boobs that she was uncomfortable with it, hated it and did not want to do it and I found her in tears, and to please support her decision. This is my job as a patient advocate.

                              One size does not fit all. Period. There are pros and cons to each. Please educate yourselves. Do what feels right, follow your instincts, don't be afraid to make mistakes. We are all first time Moms once, and we all do okay!! You'll do fine!! :)

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#13 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
                              StormRavn

                              Hey, is this the same Michelle Cook, that I went to KCC to nursing school with???  And studied with all the time????

                                #13.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:39 PM EDT
                                Michele Cook

                                Nope, not I, I went to WVU

                                  #13.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:20 PM EDT
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                                  Fawn-417263

                                  I was physically incapable of breast feeding my oldest more than a few days because of PCOS and he was not very good about latching on. I didn't have enough milk to completely breast feed my second, although I did nurse for the first four months as much as possible. My oldest has a slightly higher IQ, despite the lack of breast milk and after the age of one tended to have less health problems and allergies than the second. Both are very intelligent and reasonably health.

                                  IQ is usually genetic - and it's probably as simple as mothers with higher IQ's tending to do the research that has led them to be more likely to breast feed. So, naturally it would follow that they would also have children with higher IQ's.

                                  I don't think anyone should feel guilty if they simply cannot breast feed. It's nice to see someone acknowledging this fact. Although I think women should certainly give it a try, especially during the time of maternity leave, because it helps both of them recover from birth, but I do think that the guilt trip that's being laid on those that can't just results in an angry/hungry infant and a frustrated and depressed mother, and that doesn't sound conducive to bonding to me.

                                  We should realize that modern technology has increased the survival of both mother and child during the vulnerable post-partum period. We should no more force a mother to nurse on principal than we should withhold a necessary c-section for a baby in distress because it's not "natural". It's also "natural" to die in childbirth or for an infant to die during the first year from malnutrition.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT
                                  MomOf2Kiddos

                                  I BFed my first child for 10 months, until I was drying up, and I intended to BF my second child for just as long. When my 2nd child was born I noticed there was something not right. The hospital LC said maybe he was tongue tied, thought maybe he'd have to have his tongue snipped. (eew!) He cried and cried like he was starving. They brought in a pediatrician to look at him and she said his suck reflex was so close to his gag reflex that it was hard for him to eat naturally and they suggested I wear a nipple shield. He was able to nurse, but got very little milk and became jaundiced. The addition of the nipple shield made my already low milk supply wane and he was just not getting enough. And then a few days later I ended up in the hospital having surgery for a kidney stone and was on medications that I could not BF while taking. I made the decision then to switch my son to formula. I do wish I could have BF him, but I did what I felt was best for all of us. At 19 months old he is happy, healthy and chubby! So yes, I think BF is great but I also am glad there is an alternative option.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#15 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT
                                  Lea-392690

                                  I breastfed all three of my children for about the first two months of their lives. Then they went on the bottle and a formula. I never doubted for one minute that it was best for them. And that is exactly what breasts are for! No one can tell me that starting a baby off on a pharmaceutical made concoction is better than breastmilk! I understand that some women can't or won't, but that's their choice. The women who want to breastfeed should not be looked at as weird.

                                  And for the men out there.... News Flash! Breasts Are NOT just for YOUR pleasure! Grow up!

                                  My husband left the breasts alone during breastfeeding and didn't act stupid. But of course he comes from a country where breastfeeding is totally natural and accepted, unlike self-serving American males.

                                    Reply#16 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
                                    OMG!!!-783700

                                     "women who want to breastfeed should not be looked at as weird. " ?  Women who bottle feed are looked at as weird!!  Breastfeeding is pushed on woman and if you don't...you're a selfish Mother.  When my friend had her baby and he would take the breast (she had tons of help in the hospital) they refused to give her formula to feed her crying baby.  They would just say things like "You have to breastfeed or your baby will starve" and "You're not trying hard enough don't you love you baby?" This from the nurses 'helping' her.  Her mother had to finally bring in something.  Must be nice for the mothers who could breastfeed and you're to look down on the woman who can't.  Woman who work can't have kids or bottle feed?  I'm sorry the only woman who I know of that don't work after kids are on welfare!!  Thank you for this article!!

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #16.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:48 PM EDT
                                    Jeannie, PA

                                    Your friend tried, at least. And it is possible to work and breastfeed. Maternity leave allows for at least six weeks of breastfeeding.

                                      #16.2 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:02 AM EDT
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                                      IL resident

                                      My mother never breastfeed any of her 4 babies. My aunt breastfed all 4 of hers. While my siblings and I had the common cold and strep throat on occasion, my aunts' children were constantly sick and to the doctor. We are all relatively the same age, born between 1973 to 1981. And too boot, both of my parents are smokers! I inturn did not breastfeed my two babies, and my sister breastfed both of hers.....guess what....same scenario! My two rarely are sick (ages 14 and 11) and her two (ages 15 and 13) are sick more often than not! I never did believe all that who-ha about breast feeding....additionally, I am very close to my children, I had a good bond with them, AND we never had embarassing moments where my kids tried rooting around on other people to be fed. Additionally, my kids never screamed and threw tantrums when I left them with a sitter, they both excel in school and on the standardized tests, nor do they have allergies, are not prone to colds and flu, and know that I can leave them and not have separation anxieties. I think that if you spend quality time with your child in infancy into toddler stage each day and start out feeding them a balanced meal sooner rather than later, you will have happier and healthier kids. Not only that, if the mother is not eating a healthy diet while breastfeeding....guess what....none of that nutrition is passed on to the child....I don't think breastfeeding is all that it is cracked up to be. I don't look down on the women who do do it....more power to them.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#17 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
                                      WhatThe??

                                      I'm with you IL. I also was not breastfed and was hardly sick other than the normal cold and such. When I got pregnant with my first, to me, the whole thought and process of breast feeding completely turned me off. I though to try though, but after a painful necessary c-section, I said nope, not me, and put her on the bottle immediately. The same was for my son a year later. I will never regret my choice. I bonded with my children and so did my husband who got to feed them regularly. I feel it is the ritual of feeding that creates the bond, not always where the milk is coming from. And to further agree with you, my children have rarely been sick, got an ear infection at 4 and recover from colds faster than the neighborhood BF babies. I also think that IQ is related more to genetics than breast feeding.

                                      But to go one step further, I admire and respect women who choose to breast feed, the same way if they don't. I think when a mom makes the choice that works to create a happy nurturing environment no matter what form the delivery method takes (BF or bottle) than that is what earns my respect, admiration and most of all RESPECT.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #17.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
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                                      Craig R

                                      I am not sure why I felt prompted to post here, but here goes. My three daughters were not breastfed and they are all very intelligent, accomplished, successful, and accredited. We have not seen any down-side at all from not following conventional wisdom. However, watch the drugs meant to stop lactation.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#18 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
                                      WhatThe??

                                      Im with you there. But the Docs are not supposed to give meds to stop lactation anymore. i had to suffer through it (I used teh cabbage method, yuck). the reason is that they cause strokes!! So you are right if your doc offers, say NO.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #18.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT
                                      Michele Cook

                                      When I stopped after a year, I was simply told to bind myself up and wear tight ace bandages around my breasts. Also in the shower to not let the warm water run directly on my breasts. No meds were offered to me, nor did I request any.

                                      This is standard medical practice now.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #18.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT
                                      Sherrietr

                                      (I used teh cabbage method, yuck)

                                      The cabbage felt soooo good, but I always felt like I should've been a cartoon "mother earth" fairy or something, I had a very tight sports bra and would stuff the cabbage in there, there was always an overflow out the top that made it look like green lace or something...lol.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #18.3 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:34 AM EDT
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                                      JaySay

                                      I bottle-fed the first and nursed the second and third. Number 1 had food allergies, then asthma and pneumonia. Numbers 2 & 3 were much healthier. Now 34, 31 and 27, all are smart!

                                      Breast milk is a living thing made for human babies. Breast-fed babies spit up doesn't stain as much, poop is less stinky and the milk is free and always available! With proper information and support, most women can breastfeed. The length of time should be up to them. A day of breastfeeding is better than none at all because of the disease-fighting colostrum that babies receive in that first "milk."

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#19 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
                                      jogree

                                      Any beef producer will tell you that it is the first 2 days when the most important nutrition are what makes for a stronger, able to with stand disease, and all round general healthier animal.

                                      We are animals, and we need the same kinds of nutrients that so far has not been reproduced to get the same effect as mothers first days of milk.

                                      That is not to say that every single child will die if not breast fed. It just means that most babies would benefit from the most natural milk that nature gave the human race.

                                      Of course not all women can or want to. Not all women can and want to be mothers either anymore than all guys want to be fathers.

                                      No one is forcing anyone to breast feed, but that is what as animals women have breasts for. What they choose to use them for is their business.

                                        Reply#20 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
                                        Lea-392690

                                        very well said!

                                        I agree!

                                          #20.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
                                          martvol

                                          colostrum milk

                                          http://ezinearticles.com/?Colostrum-Milk&id=144225

                                            #20.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT
                                            Jay-768234

                                            What do you mean? We have artifical milk Made in China with melamine and drywall dust mixed in as a nice healthy alternative.

                                            :/

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #20.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
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                                            AML01

                                            I wanted to breast feed my son so badly. I tried for 5 days and my milk wouldn't come in. I had a difficult delivery that ended in an emergency C-section and a lengthly hospital stay, in comparison. I had a very mean night shift nurse tell me I was starving my son and I gave up. I regret the decision, however, he is 2 years old and only been sick once. This was my first child, so I think given the chance to do it again, I'd tell the nurse where to go. They would NOT allow me to supplement with formula. It was just an awful experience. I cry thinking about it!

                                            • 3 votes
                                            Reply#21 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
                                            Michele Cook

                                            This is the mentality that gets fed to us nurses by the militants that insist that breastfeeding is the ONLY way. Had that nurse allowed you to supplement she very well could have gotten in trouble by her superiors depending on the hospital....I have worked for hospitals that look over our shoulder every time a Mom says that she prefers to breasfeed on her admission paperwork, yet we allow a supplement. However she could have gotten around that simply by charting that you insisted on the supplement in spite of her advice. If that ever happens to you again (or to anyone else reading this that ends up in a similar situation, espcially if you are told you are "starving your child" she had no right to say that!!) You should ask to speak to her charge nurse or the supervisor on call and complain.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #21.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
                                            AML01

                                            Thank you. That is helpful. I was so out of it, I just wish the staff had been a little more supportive to a first time mom trying so hard, or at least at the time I thought I was trying hard. Want to make a horomonal first time mom cry her eyes out? Tell her she's starving her son! I was so out of it, there are many things I would have done different, like not taken any pain meds! I don't remember holding my son for the first time or the first time I tired to nurse him. I was shaking so badly, my husband says it was a miracle I didn't drop him on the floor. Could go on and on, it was just plain and simple not a good experience. On a happy note, my son and I are VERY close. Thanks again.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #21.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:05 PM EDT
                                            Michele Cook

                                            You are welcome. I wish I had been your nurse!! I would have given you that bottle, told you to feed your baby, or better yet offered to take him to the nursery and feed him for the night and had you get a good nights sleep and we would have sat and talked about it in the morning as I did with that one Mom I wrote about in my long post on here.

                                            I am so glad you and your son are close, I think that is what matters, the holding and closeness. Even when I weaned my sons to a sippy cup after a year, I had no problems because I sat and held them. That is what is important to them.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #21.3 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT
                                            AML01

                                            Now I am crying agin! LOL! You must be a wonderful nurse. We need more of you.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #21.4 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT
                                            Michele Cook

                                            I had my two c-section. Luckily I had a clue what I was doing, but it is a lot different to do it then to teach it believe me!! My first one did not latch on properly and I got blood blisters...Ouchie!! After the first day when I had told the lactation consultant "go away, I am a neonatal nurse and I know what I am doing.." I called her back in tears "Help....!!!" He eventually got it right, but you are both learning!!

                                            My second one got it right off, but insisted on eating every half hour on the half hour and I thought I was going to die!! I thought I was either not producting enough, or was being used as a pacifier, so I gave him a pacifier.....babies need non nutritive sucking (another no no according to the hard core breast feeding supporters, you will cause "nipple confusion" or so they say!!). I refused to be a binky!! Trust me this kid is now four years old and built like a tank and he knew very well the difference between me and the binky!!!

                                            If you do it again and try again, listen to your instincts and do not take no for an answer. Always get a second opinion until it feels right and good luck!! :)

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #21.5 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT
                                            Natalie-966925

                                            I had a similar experience. I was in the hospital for 4 days following an emergency c-section. After a botched epidural (9 punctures!) I had a spinal headache. Still, the nurses kept shoving my son at me as I was wretching to make me feed him, and no milk ever came in. He was starving and cried all the time and they wouldn't give me formula for him. We got him home & on formula and he was a perfect baby. I still cry thinking about my experience & wish I had told those mean nurses off.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #21.6 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:25 PM EDT
                                            Michele Cook

                                            and to those that want to force women to breast feed in this way......do you really think after being treated like this they will be super anxious to give it another chance if they have another????

                                            My advice to you Natalie is the same as to AML.

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                                            #21.7 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:19 AM EDT
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                                            CM Staudt

                                            I think the problem with the online article is the way it begins: indoctrination, evangelical fervor, underachievers, plagued, lacking a bond. I can't help but feel this is an uninformed person's interpretation of the situation.

                                            Every single breastfeeding advocate I've ever spoken to — from La Leche members to midwives to everyday moms — says that breastfeeding is preferable but mothers should never be made to feel "bad" or guilty if they can't breastfeed or decide not to.

                                            If any "indoctrination" is going on, it's simply to get mothers to try breastfeeding — which is a huge uphill battle in the face of the campaigns that the formula companies perpetuate. When I was pregnant with my first baby, I regularly received free samples of formula in the mail, and while in the hospital, was asked to choose which free gift of formula I'd like to receive. This is a multibillion dollar industry that often overwhelms first-time mothers, and if anything should be spoken out against, it's this.

                                            I breastfed both my children, and was happy to do it. With the second one, I had an incredibly painful time with it — sore, bleeding nipples, and I had to wear nipple shields for about 2 weeks. I had excellent midwife care at the time, and she encouraged me to keep with it (which I planned to do anyway). Eventually, it all came right and my son happily breastfed until he was 14 months old.

                                            The truth is, nothing about being a parent is easy. If you're expecting a baby to latch on from moment one and it to be a fairy tale from then on, you're probably not ready to be a parent. Plenty of women breastfeed without any problems (I certainly had none with my first child), but it can be a challenge — the first of many. And you either roll with it, or you take the formula option. The fact is, like all decisions you make as a parent, you have to go with your instincts and do the best you can with the information you have available.

                                            Many woman can't breastfeed for a variety of reasons, and none of them should feel bad for it. It doesn't mean you love your child less or that you yourself are less of a woman. It just means you made a different choice.

                                            But it's good to try breastfeeding at least a few times. The general consensus, without all the indoctrination hoo-ha, is that any breastfeeding is beneficial. So rather than it being this fraught experience that gets everyone on both sides frothing at the mouth, women should be encouraged to try but ultimately be supported by friends, family, medical professionals, and the community at large no matter what their decision is.

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                                            Reply#22 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:33 PM EDT
                                            CM Staudt

                                            I think the problem with the online article is the way it begins: indoctrination, evangelical fervor, underachievers, plagued, lacking a bond. I can't help but feel this is an uninformed person's interpretation of the situation.

                                            Every single breastfeeding advocate I've ever spoken to — from La Leche members to midwives to everyday moms — says that breastfeeding is preferable but mothers should never be made to feel "bad" or guilty if they can't breastfeed or decide not to.

                                            If any "indoctrination" is going on, it's simply to get mothers to try breastfeeding — which is a huge uphill battle in the face of the campaigns that the formula companies perpetuate. When I was pregnant with my first baby, I regularly received free samples of formula in the mail, and while in the hospital, was asked to choose which free gift of formula I'd like to receive. This is a multibillion dollar industry that often overwhelms first-time mothers, and if anything should be spoken out against, it's this.

                                            I breastfed both my children, and was happy to do it. With the second one, I had an incredibly painful time with it — sore, bleeding nipples, and I had to wear nipple shields for about 2 weeks. I had excellent midwife care at the time, and she encouraged me to keep with it (which I planned to do anyway). Eventually, it all came right and my son happily breastfed until he was 14 months old.

                                            The truth is, nothing about being a parent is easy. If you're expecting a baby to latch on from moment one and it to be a fairy tale from then on, you're probably not ready to be a parent. Plenty of women breastfeed without any problems (I certainly had none with my first child), but it can be a challenge — the first of many. And you either roll with it, or you take the formula option. The fact is, like all decisions you make as a parent, you have to go with your instincts and do the best you can with the information you have available.

                                            Many woman can't breastfeed for a variety of reasons, and none of them should feel bad for it. It doesn't mean you love your child less or that you yourself are less of a woman. It just means you made a different choice.

                                            But it's good to try breastfeeding at least a few times. The general consensus, without all the indoctrination hoo-ha, is that any breastfeeding is beneficial. So rather than it being this fraught experience that gets everyone on both sides frothing at the mouth, women should be encouraged to try but ultimately be supported by friends, family, medical professionals, and the community at large no matter what their decision is.

                                              Reply#23 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
                                              kitb

                                              I felt pressure not to breastfeed!Starting in the hospital, there was not class or guidance. I had mastitis twice and my OBGYN never suggested I may need help with latching or ways to help prevent this. My primary physician told me he felt that "they" brain wash" us into breastfeeding. Another doctor prescribed me Zanex while I was still breastfeeding. Never mind that I am a working mom and did not have the time but I felt I could never join La Latcha League because I would not want to be one of those "Nazis" everyone was always talking about. I didn't have any friends that I knew who had breast feed more that a short time that were comfortable talking to me about it. My husband started sneaking bottles because all of his guy friends with kids said it would make the baby sleep long at night.

                                              Also, there are other "possible" health benefits to the mother, reduced rate in cancers and rheumatoid arthritis. Luckily I have a relative in the medical field that told me this, it is important to me because my mother has the disease. If there is even a little chance that this is true, that is huge for me and the future of my child.

                                              Despite it all, my son and I made it 16 months.

                                                Reply#24 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:37 PM EDT
                                                Kirk-966387

                                                The article isn't saying that formula is better than breastfeeding, just that formula is sufficent, and women shouldn't feel guilty because they can't. Which is true. Still, I'd hope my wife at least tried to breasfeed our child before giving up, I'd do the same if I had breasts, lol.

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                                                Reply#25 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT
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