Taking their turns as interns — in their 50s

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Like many companies, wowOwow.com has a bunch of interns running around the office, working for free for the opportunity to learn about the business. What makes these interns different is that they aren’t fresh-faced kids who’ve never had a job. Instead, they’re all in their 40s and 50s and accomplished professionals.

Ann Hodgman is one of the four interns taken on by wowOwow.com, a start-up Web site based in New York and targeted to women over 40. For Hodgman, who shared her experiences as a fiftysomething intern Friday with TODAY’s David Gregory, the new site couldn’t have come along at a better time.

“I’m a freelance writer. I kept looking for freelance writing jobs, and I realized the only market that’s expanding is the online Web world,” Hodgman told Gregory. By lucky happenstance, her daughter works in publishing and told her about the internships at wowOwow.

From six figures to 0
“I said, ‘It doesn’t pay.’ She said, ‘I think you should do it,’ ” Hodgman said. After thinking about it, she decided to give it a shot. “I just wanted to learn a little bit about a world that seems to be still asking for content,” she said.

Even before the stock market collapsed and the recession hunkered down over the economy, the publishing industry was being buffeted by the increasing shift from traditional print outlets to online content. One of Hodgman’s fellow interns, Lois Draegin, 55, is a prime example of the dislocation in the industry. A year ago, she was one of TV Guide’s top editors, earning a six-figure income. Now, she’s unemployed.

Deborah Barrow, the editor-in-chief of wowOwow, told NBC News that taking on interns like Hodgman and Draegin seemed a natural move.

“There are so many jobs being lost,” Barrow said. “You hear about it every day. We’re trying to be creative and proactive in a way where there’s mutual benefit.”

WowOwow was founded by such media giants as columnist Peggy Noonan, “60 Minutes” correspondent Lesley Stahl, advertising executive Mary Wells and gossip columnist Liz Smith. Hodgman said that interning there has been like a breath of fresh air.

“When I came out of the first wowOwow meeting, I thought, ‘Finally, a company where publishing is viewed with optimism.’ It’s such a relief not to be thinking, ‘Oh, everything’s in decline.’ They’re so energetic and they’re so sure that they can make this work. It’s really invigorating,” Hodgman said.

Starting over
She was joined on the TODAY set by Marci Alboher, a freelance writer, journalist, author and speaker who focuses on career and workplace trends. A former lawyer, Alboher is the author of the book “One Person/Multiple Careers.” She told TODAY it’s too early to tell if older internships are a new trend in business, but she thinks it’s an idea that people looking to begin new careers in mid-life shouldn’t be afraid to present to companies they would like to work for.

“What’s great about the wowOwow program is that they have something in place and they were looking for the Ann Hodgmans of the world,” Alboher told Gregory. “What I see a lot with adult internships is you have to take the initiative and pitch this to someone because often you don’t know that this exists. But if you’re presented with this opportunity to have someone with the level of experience of Ann who wants to do some learning, you’d be surprised how receptive they are.”

One reason companies are receptive is because interns work for free. But Alboher told NBC News that interns who prove themselves to be invaluable can parlay the assignments into full-time jobs. With unemployment reaching 8.1 percent nationally in February, every advantage counts.

Alboher said interning is also a good way to learn about an industry. “Anytime you want to make a career change, it’s always good to test-drive it, to try it out, to see what it’s like to actually do that work,” she said.

It takes courage on the part of the intern. Hodgman’s supervisor is Randi Bernfeld, who is 24 — the same age as Hodgman's daughter.

“You really need to be willing to say, ‘Even at my ancient age, I can be a beginner, I can learn again,’ ” Hodgman said. “You have to be just terribly willing to take that leap and to embarrass yourself in front of people who are younger than you, which is not that easy to do.”

But Hodgman said it’s worth it to learn the online skills she needs to prosper in the new electronic world. When Gregory asked her what she hoped to accomplish with her new skills, she quipped, “Oh, immense wealth gathered from the Internet.”

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{"commentId":6058985,"authorDomain":"georginakl"}

This is a toughie. I'm single and don't have someone to support me or provide a health insurance plan. On the other hand, a new career - especially one hard to "break in to" - and a foot in the door opportunity are valuable. Then again, if this is a place that doesn't care at all about the dignity of its worker by not offering at least token compensation, however small - is this good place to work or learn?

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    Reply#1 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6060726,"authorDomain":"benlam1"}

    Where there are interns, Bill can't be far away. Quick, ladies, get your knee pads.

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      Reply#2 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6060763,"authorDomain":"jackierose1184"}

      Interns, my Aunt Hattie! These are free workers often replacing paid employees. I like to call them "non-terns." A real internship is a short-term program affiliated with a school. There ought to be a law.

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        Reply#3 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:33 PM EDT
        {"commentId":6060900,"authorDomain":"benlam1"}

        Look at it as free training. A person with no marketable skills in my business who wants to get hired must pay hundreds, sometimes thousands to learn computer-aided design and computer skills. Once you get that training, you can stay or send your enhanced resume out for the highest bidder. I say that's a pretty good deal.

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          #3.1 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":6061923,"authorDomain":"darceeruter"}

          Maybe (assuming they can afford it), should go ahead already and retire and give us younger workers a chance to find employment.

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            Reply#4 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
            {"commentId":6062438,"authorDomain":"benlam1"}

            Sarah,

            No one gives anyone anything. You have to compete for it. You have youth and energy on your side. If the company thinks youth and energy is worth more than experience, then they will hire you. That's how the market place works. The company I just left just had a huge layoff. They got rid of the overpaid old farts and kept the young people who had less than a year of experience. Other companies may approach it differently, thinking experience is worth more.

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              #4.1 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":6068131,"authorDomain":"headsup"}

              Intern after 6 figure income??? What a load of Cr**!! How tragic for anyone over 40 to be on their hands and knees nipping the heels of 20 somethings for a free job.

              Pathetic. Of course, If I had health insurance, owned my own home, a wonderful car and money in the bank....I'd LOVE to intern. Know anyone like this? I don't.

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                Reply#5 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:34 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6075564,"authorDomain":"alho2"}

                What a tough experience for seasoned and experienced workers. Seems there are just too many people populating the earth, not enough jobs, insurance, food, etc. An interesting follow up story would be how many of the experienced middle aged workers actually get paid positions following these no pay internships.

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                  Reply#6 - Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:53 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":6108455,"authorDomain":"cf-leahy"}

                  I'm sorry, but this story is pretty misleading. Seeking to change careers before the economy turned sour, I was lucky to get an internship in my chosen field--and lucky to have a flexible schedule to do it while keeping my paying job--but I was passed by for many more internships because most are limited to college seniors, juniors or recent grads. Even if that limitation is not in place, with a hundred resumes to sort through, most managers don't have time to think outside the box; that is why a lawyer, manager, ceo or college professor wants an intership or why such a worker might make a great intern. So, they move on. Or as a mentor said to me "you are terribly overqualified and terribly unqualified all at the same time."

                  The bottom line is that adult internships are not at all readily available. As someone trying to enter the broadcast media, I can assure you even NBC only takes college students for credit!

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                    Reply#7 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:42 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":6529363,"authorDomain":"wai891"}

                    A lot of companies used this to get free labor. What makes me laugh is a lot of these so called Internships ask for a hell of a lot of experience. So in other words, they want an experienced person to work for nothing. Are people that stupid? Apparently, yes.

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                      Reply#8 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:30 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":6529412,"authorDomain":"wai891"}

                      I love the way these f*cks try to spin things and make it like it's such a great thing. Yeah right. In the UK, they had something similar, it was called Youth Training Scheme, to get young people to work for nothing and get trained in a skill. All it turned out was that the youngsters got exploited for doing menial work and turned out after a year, having been promised a job.

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                        Reply#9 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:33 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":6529472,"authorDomain":"wai891"}

                        To all COMPANIES out there too stupid to think long term. You know, you're the ones who expect someone with 10 years experience to take a job earning a entry level salary. You know what the people you've employed will do after the economy picks up? Give you finger and find a company that will pay their worth. It makes me laugh so many jobs advertised there days expect so much from the applicant.

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                          Reply#10 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:36 PM EDT
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