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5 types of travelers that are killing tourism

Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
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msnbc.com News — Christopher Elliott, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

Rich Conti from Southaven, Mississippi, tours in Paris, Tuesday Aug. 5, 2003 under the Eiffel Tower. From luxurious hotels on the French Riviera to Viennese cafes and double-decker bus tours in London, American tourists have deserted Europe en masse. Some 2.14 million Americans stayed in hotels across France in the first five months of this year, down nearly 30 percent from the same period a year earlier, according to figures provided by the Tourism Ministry. The drop coincides with the diplomatic crisis between France and the United States over Iraq. (AP Photo/Franck Prevel)

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— Are tourists destroying tourism?

The ones Bob Menconi saw on the lido deck of the Celebrity Solstice were — one heaping plateful at a time.

At the megaship’s all-you-can-eat buffet lunch, they piled slices of pizza, grilled fish and coconut Flan on their trays like it was their last meal. “I was amazed,” says Menconi, who owns a framing business in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. “It was to the point where it was falling off the side. It was the dumbest thing.”

Dumb on more than one level, actually.

It’s not just that the passengers had as many shots at the buffet line as they wanted. It’s that the morsels going overboard collectively represented a titanic waste of resources, which must have been more than a little embarrassing for a cruise line that prides itself on its environmental record. Not only did these passengers leave their manners and common sense on shore; they were also selfish gluttons.

What is it with travelers today?

You can’t make this stuff up. But are these tourists sinking an entire industry? The correct answer is: they are — and they aren’t.

No, not all travelers. Most of us still pack our sound judgment and good manners when we go on vacation. And most of us will continue to do so, especially after reading this column.

But there are a few annoying exceptions, and they’re hurting travel in ways you probably don’t know. Here are five types of travelers who fit that category:

1. The stupid tourist
With the possible exception of a Caribbean all-inclusive resort, you won’t find a more impressive collection of brain donors than on a cruise. Never mind the buffet line. Once these passengers set sail, they belly up to the bar, get bitzed, and act like ... well, drunken sailors. Some of them jump overboard, too. Our friends at the Web site Cruisejunkie keep a list of cruise and ferry passengers who fell off a ship. Since 1995, there have been more than 100 documented cases. How many of them involved passengers having one drink too many and then doing their best Kate Winslet impersonation? Like you have to ask.

2. The rude visitor
I live in Orlando, which has more than its fair share of discourteous tourists. These vacationers cut in line, drive like teen-agers and the words “please” and “thank you” aren’t in their vocabulary. When I lived in the Florida Keys, the locals had a saying: “If it’s tourist season, why can’t we shoot them?” But one city has figured out a better way of punishing the unmannered masses. Bars and restaurants in Venice have three price lists: one for locals, the other for visitors and a third for rude tourists. So if you’re Italian, a croissant and a cappuccino might cost €3.50, but if you order in English, and are impolite, you have to pay €7.

3. The obnoxious American
Let me be clear on this point: I’m an American, and I love my country. My countrymen? Not necessarily. I’ve spent nearly half my life overseas, and I’ve seen some of my fellow citizens behaving so boorishly that I cringed when someone asked where I was from. (“Me? Uh, I’m Canadian.”) Obnoxious Americans are loud, demanding, arrogant and insensitive to local culture. I was relieved to learn we aren’t the worst. A recent survey found that the French, Indian and Chinese tourists ranked even more obnoxious than us, while Japanese were considered the best tourists.

4. The absent-minded vacationer
These are the ones who get left behind at the gate because they didn’t know they needed a passport for an international trip. They don’t call to confirm their flight and miss it because it was rescheduled. They don’t pay attention to where they parked their car at Disney World and then wander around the property after dark, hoping to stumble upon their rental. I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve forgotten where I parked or didn’t call to confirm my flight. And I think there’s something about being on the road — you’re out of your element — that turns you into a little bit of a ditz. The problem is when you try to blame everyone but yourself. I’ve seen tourists accuse their travel agents or cruise line of ruining their vacation because they weren’t told about a visa requirement. But securing the proper paperwork is solely your responsibility.

5. The time traveler
They call flight attendants “stewardesses” and ask what’s on the in-flight menu. The answer, unless they’re sitting in first class, is a glare — and peanuts. Time travelers are either unaware that the airline industry was carelessly deregulated in 1978, or they’re in denial. These passengers don’t make themselves look bad as much as they point out how far we’ve fallen since then. Only the most rabid airline apologist would argue that flying is a better experience today than it was three decades ago. Time travelers are a constant reminder of the sad decline of America’s airlines. But if you’re an optimist, they also help us see what air travel could one day become again.

So how are these tourists damaging travel? When an inebriated tourist trashes your cabin on a spring break cruise, you can put a price on it. But when that passenger goes ashore in a foreign port and makes all Americans look like xenophobic elitists, it costs us in ways that are difficult to quantify, but no less real.

People who make unreasonable demands on the system raise the cost of travel for everyone, because we’ll be paying for the army of lawyers the travel company must hire to defend itself from frivolous claims.

And passengers who live in the past? They interfere with an airline’s ability to make money in the future, because they raise our expectations, and hopes, for a better travel industry. How dare they!

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Tappy McWidestance

Do you want some cheese to go with your whine?

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:08 AM EDT
rrobeson

Got it wrong!

It's: Shall I cut the cheese? It goes well with your whine.

    #1.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
    Brandon1525

    What you two fail to realise is he just pointed out why most of the world hate americans...your damn idiotic tourists. I bet some of the Canadians I've met on my travels were Americans in hiding, and I HAVE seen 1 obnoxious drunk Canadian . . . I apologised to the server for him since I was embarrassed for the 32 Million others who's reputations had just been hurt.

      #1.2 - Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT
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      DisabledVeteran, observer

      Excellent article --- and how very true. I have seen my fellow countrymen acting like complete fools having complete disregard for everyone else, including their hosts.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#2 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:15 PM EDT
      AK-370432

      It doesn't matter the nationality; as long are there are stupid people, there will be stupid tourists.

      • 1 vote
      #2.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:16 PM EDT
      topgunUSN

      How about the people from Central America that come in this country without authorization, have a baby and stay. Then demand citizenship and that we educate their childeren in their own language. I have not seen many Americans do that in other countries

      • 4 votes
      #2.2 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
      AK-370432

      Off-topic rant, there, topgunUSN.

      • 2 votes
      #2.3 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:05 PM EDT
      Brandon1525

      Topgun - That's because Americans do it in English speaking countries so no one notices :P

        #2.4 - Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:14 PM EDT
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        Speedy, Palm Harbor, Florida

        The travel industry has many similarities to Golf.  Why?  Over the past few decades, there has been an exponential increase in the number of "more average people" doing things like traveling and playing golf, that years ago rarely took place.  These are people whose families most likely rarely took a flight or a cruise anywhere, let alone ever set foot on a country club.  These are people from middle to lower middle class families that may have benefited from the "dot.com bubble" or possibly the "housing bubble" and may have come in to money or just want others to "think they do"!  These are the loud, obnoxious idiots getting drunk on airplanes; at airports; at the golf course, on their boats or water crafts  acting like neanderthals at better hotels and somehow believe being obnoxious as a sign of wealth and power?  People that come from "decent families, regardless of their socio-economic level always demonstrate politeness. Similarly, regardless of anyone's financial status, you can always spot the low-class phonies.  You can take a bum out of a gutter, but you can't take the gutter out of a bum.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#3 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
        Florida_kes

        These are the loud, obnoxious idiots getting drunk on airplanes; at airports; at the golf course, on their boats or water crafts acting like neanderthals at better hotels and somehow believe being obnoxious as a sign of wealth and power?

        That's funny, I could have said the same about the wealthy, entitled crowd. Apparently you've never lived in Boca Raton or Palm Beach! LOL

        • 1 vote
        #3.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT
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        Combat Vet SoCal

        If I were in fact, King for a Day, one thing i would decree is that carry-on baggage has to be carried. No wheels, no handles.... I travel every other week, check my baggage so I don't have to drag it around, and to allow fellow travelers some room. Of course I compete with the selfish others who drag one monster carry-on (suitcase with wheels) and then throw another backpack and finally a shopping bag in the overhead bin.

        Also leave all your shoes ON....

        • 2 votes
        Reply#4 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:34 PM EDT
        -hh

        I go "no wheels", even though it often drives my wife crazy. I've been through too many metro systems in large cities where there's invariably a staircase to navigate - - and have occassionally helped a tourist in distress trying to drag their rollerbag up/down said staircase.

        The one that irritates me the most, however, is a "kitchen sink" coworker. Even for just an overnight trip, their roller bag is stuffed to the gills and already with the expander-zipper enabled.

        -hh

        • 2 votes
        #4.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:25 PM EDT
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        pa grandmom

        Delayed over one hour because a passenger broke the overhead bin doorlatch by trying to close bin with a huge overstuffed bag inside. Door latch broke and airline had to wait for maintenance to fix it before take-off. And yes I did miss my connecting flight and 8 hours of my vacation because of this thoughtless moron.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:48 PM EDT
        levantase

        Ahh, if we could only make stupidity and boorishness a crime.......

        • 2 votes
        Reply#6 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
        -hh

        Can we start with a couple of the posters in this thread? ;-)

        -hh

        • 2 votes
        #6.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:27 PM EDT
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        -hh

        A lot of times, a good chunk of the problem is that the 'ugly tourist' didn't bother to do their homework beforehand.

        Unfortunately, it does little good to mention this here, since the demographic of the 'ugly' won't think that anything in this article applies to him. As such, the inappropriate behavior will continue unabated.

        -hh

        • 3 votes
        Reply#7 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
        Ian-981823

        "Time travelers are either unaware that the airline industry was carelessly deregulated in 1978"

        Interesting piece but the aside to the industry being "carelessly" deregulated came across as an example of the increasing use of editorial inserts in articles or write-ups without any backup or supported reasoning to the premise.

          Reply#8 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
          Sick of party squabling

          I think the supported reasoning comes if you've flown anywhere on any airline in the last 30 years. They are progressively getting less customer oriented and more and more rude. I think the author was assuming that if you were actually going to take the time to read the article, you might already know a little about that problem. And, afterall, it is just an opinion piece. It's not hard-core, investigative journalism.

          • 4 votes
          #8.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
          Spikegary

          Chris Elliott is a columnist and entertainer in his writing. This is as much his opinion as a fact filled article (though I agree with him on all his points). I fly a lot and I have seen the airline industry nose dive consitently over the last 30 years.

          • 1 vote
          #8.2 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:55 PM EDT
          Ian-981823

          "I think the supported reasoning comes if you've flown anywhere on any airline in the last 30 years."

          Have flown a ton in last 30 years but so what! Very little is business and industry goes unchanged over a span of thirty years. In this case airline travel is either better or worse depending on one's individual perpective based on cost, service, availability or any number of variables. My own view is that service ain't what it used to be but also that passengers have over years become more cost driven in their travel planning choices and that cost is the ultimate determiner versus service. The author refers to deregulation in 1978 in a manner that suggests he views service in decline and that said decline originates with deregulation in 1978. Could be 100% correct...but I think not. Overall enjoyable and interesting article and I took it for what is was, even though this one item seemed out of place for seasoned traveler reading.

            #8.3 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:02 PM EDT
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            ticked-99999999

            i can't believe someone got paid to write this.... what did you actually learn from this drivel? what a waste of 10 minutes.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#9 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:05 PM EDT
            Lucille-19

            It took you 10 minutes to read this??

            • 1 vote
            #9.1 - Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT
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            TexasIndependent

            Ah yes. Thank you to Christopher Elliott for educating all of us unwashed masses. Yes, because of his insightful article (of which I've only seen like, maybe, one million articles to the same effect), EVERYONE will now conform to his vision of the ideal traveller.

            Here's what I have to say: People from other countries are just as rude as people from the United States. People are people. There are rude people and there are polite people. Nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc. have nothing to do with it. If you don't want visitors upsetting your daily life, then move somewhere that doesn't market itself as a travel destination. If you don't want inexperienced travellers upsetting your delicate vision of how the world should be, then stay home and don't travel. You find it amusing that a coffee shop in Venice would take advantage of inexperienced Americans visiting their country? I call that being a poor host. Having worked in the service industry while attending college, I never met a rude customer I couldn't turn around by showering them with respect and courtesy and throwing some small, insignificant freebie their way. That's how you get repeat customers, which is the point of being in business, except in Europe, where the point is to see how superior you can pretend to be compared to your clients.

            You lie about being from the United States because you're embarrassed. As an immigrant to America who loves everything about her and thanks God everyday to be living in the best country in the world, I consider you . . . I can't write it in a public forum.

            It's been a while since I read such a completely useless article. Are you really paid to write this drivel?

            • 2 votes
            Reply#10 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:09 PM EDT
            Florida_kes

            People from other countries are just as rude as people from the United States. People are people. There are rude people and there are polite people. Nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc. have nothing to do with it

            Sorry...you're way off base on that one. People are a direct reflection of the culture and environment they are from. Trying to dismiss that fact is a bit naive to say the least.

            Having worked in the service industry while attending college, I never met a rude customer I couldn't turn around by showering them with respect and courtesy and throwing some small, insignificant freebie their way.

            How long ago was that? Try working retail in a big box store today and lets see how quickly your tune will change! LOL

            • 1 vote
            #10.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:29 PM EDT
            AK-370432

            People from other countries are just as rude as people from the United States. People are people. There are rude people and there are polite people. Nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc. have nothing to do with it

            100% agreed. Cultural differences certainly can influence how we perceive someone's behavior, but I think by and large it varies by person. Think of a group of Chinese tourists that don't seem to have a regard for personal space: it's because they don't. But, this is due to cities in China being so densely populated, not because they're necessarily trying to be pushy.

            Having worked in the service industry while attending college, I never met a rude customer I couldn't turn around by showering them with respect and courtesy and throwing some small, insignificant freebie their way.

            I've also worked in the service industry and must disagree. There are nice people, nice people who are having a bad day, and then there are just jerks. Something, their upbringing I suppose, failed them long ago. Anything I do to try to sway their behavior toward more gracious is too little too late.

              #10.2 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:20 PM EDT
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              estcst

              Why do you laugh about a veggie burger being medium rare?

              This is 2009. It's not your father's vegetarianism. With choices offered up by companies like Boca Burger we now can get a veggie burger that has a multitude of ways to cook it and to what degree. While my life-on-the-run often dictates I take the microwave veggie burger I like to take time when I can and cook them the old fashioned way. There's a difference in texture and taste depending on how long and in what fashion the patty is cooked. This is really no different than normal hamburger except for the lack of pink inside. I would consider a Boca from the microwave pretty much medium rare in comparison to something that's sat on the grill for a while.

              I guess to each their own, and I don't know how much you know about TVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein) but to claim that a person who likes their veggie burger to a different degree than another is a stooge is out of line.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#11 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:32 PM EDT
              Brandon1525

              med-rare and the rest pertains to meat. You never ask your salad done Rare or your side of veggies Well Done.

                #11.1 - Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
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                AmyLee

                I have seen rude people of just about all cultures. Some of the rudest were at the changing of the guard in London. People pushing, shoving, ignoring the rules, and the police. It was awful. I have also seen rude people on cruise ships.

                I always amazed at those who do not educate on the customs and laws of the country they visit. My favorite comments I have heard include the guy who started screaming about his "American Rights" in Ireland, the lady in London who screamed at the cashier for not taking her good hard earned U.S. Dollars when trying to make a purchase, the women who wanted to know if she needed passports for their trip from New Jersey to Disney World and the women who just this week asked me if her sister needed a passport to visit Hawaii, as it wasn't a connected part of the U.S.

                I do have to say I asked the cashier not to think all Americans are like the lady who just yelled at her.

                  Reply#12 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:20 PM EDT
                  Ron-C

                  I have traveled to several countries and have found that the words Please and Thank You and a warm smile will overcome almost any obstacle.

                  I see no reason to be impolite, even when someone is being rude to me. If more people were polite, the world would be a much better place.

                  In my opinion, of course.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#13 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
                  jj-416511

                  Common courtesy and manners are both free. My husband and I taught our two daughters proper manners beginning as toddlers. They knew proper table manners BEFORE they ever started school and knew the meaning of please and thank you. They had been taught that when in public places they did not run, scream, whine, and have temper tantrums. They had been taught to STAY and SIT at the table with us when we went to a restaurant - none of this running around over the place the way children now do. No LOUD talking and making the time of our meal romper room time. They were taught there was a time and place to be loud, and free to run and play - not in public places where they would be bothering others.

                  Because they were raised to be courteous and taught HOW to behave as youngsters, they grew into courteous and polite adults. Somewhere along the line parents stopped teaching their offspring manners and courtesy and that there are others on the earth besides themselves. Now we are reaping and continuing to create the fruits of that laziness. Agreed some people no matter what generation are just plain rude and crude. Not much to be done about that I suppose - they are too stupid to know the difference. It is the same with people in the business places we must deal with. Such rudeness in city, county and state offices sometimes - they need to be fired as our tax dollars pay their salaries.

                  Perhaps people need to learn to take a moment and realize they are not the only people on the planet with rights. If everybody would practice a little common courtesy, manners and realize everybody is not their enemy nor is everybody subject to their whims and needs - we all could create a much more pleasant atmosphere no matter where we are. I believe the word is RESPECT - both for others and oneself.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#14 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT
                  bri13

                  Wow, someone who actually taught their kids manners. I must applaud you, because I have found the worst thing about going on vacation....or actually even the grocery store anymore, is the amount of children running around without parental supervision. Letting kids run, scream and in general make a nuisance of themselves is one of the most annoying things that I see from tourists. I have no problem with children having fun, but I also believe in being behaved, especially in public. I was raised to be courteous and respectful of the other people around me, and it seems that parents are too busy giving children what they want, instead of teaching them about how to behave in public.

                  I definately believe in showing respect for everyone around which is why I will simply leave if I do not like being around undisciplined children....but why should my vacation be ruined by someone else's children, maybe we all should learn to respect on another and make sure that our children do so also.

                  For those parents who might get offended by this please remember.....you are the parent, you run the household and if the child does not behave they do not deserve to be anywhere but grounded at home.

                  • 2 votes
                  #14.1 - Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
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                  rigg

                  I can't believe I'm struggling to find a job and this guy is getting paid to write this drivel. How old is the ugly American stereotype, anyway?

                  Old enough to know that the tourism industry's still kicking, despite we woefully unwashed masses who don't confirm our flights or choose not to microwave our veggie burgers.

                    Reply#15 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
                    Karri-M

                    At the megaship’s all-you-can-eat buffet lunch, they piled slices of pizza, grilled fish and coconut Flan on their trays like it was their last meal. “I was amazed,” says Menconi, who owns a framing business in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. “It was to the point where it was falling off the side. It was the dumbest thing.”

                    In some cultures, filling your plate like this is considered polite.

                      Reply#16 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:35 PM EDT
                      Brandon1525

                      In America (he WAS talking about Americans) it's Glutony. That's why America is the FATTEST nation on Earth, with Canada not far behind :(

                        #16.1 - Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT
                        Karri-M

                        Guam is one of those cultures and Guam is a part of the US.

                          #16.2 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 8:04 PM EDT
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                          Richard-1001607

                          It's worth mentioning that people who are cluelss buttheads in travel mode are more than likely clueless buttheads at home. I feel sorry for their co-workers and families.

                            Reply#17 - Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
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