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UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT
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Veronika Oleksyn, Associated Press
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<p>Manfred Nowak, the U.N. special rapporteur on torture, holds press conference to discuss torture, extraordinary renditions, other issues at Vienna's International Center, Austria, on Friday, April 24, 2009. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak)</p>

Manfred Nowak, the U.N. special rapporteur on torture, holds press conference to discuss torture, extraordinary renditions, other issues at Vienna's International Center, Austria, on Friday, April 24, 2009. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak)

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VIENNA — The U.S. is obligated by a United Nations convention to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who allegedly drafted policies that approved the use of harsh interrogation tactics against terrorism suspects, the U.N.'s top anti-torture envoy said Friday.

Earlier this week, President Barack Obama left the door open to prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised the legal authority for gruesome terror-suspect interrogations. He had previously absolved CIA officers from prosecution.

Manfred Nowak, who serves as a U.N. special rapporteur in Geneva, said Washington is obligated under the U.N. Convention against Torture to prosecute U.S. Justice Department officials who wrote memos that defined torture in the narrowest way in order to justify and legitimize it, and who assured CIA officials that their use of questionable tactics was legal.

"That's exactly what I call complicity or participation" to torture as defined by the convention, Nowak said at a news conference. "At that time, every reasonable person would know that waterboarding, for instance, is torture."

Nowak, an Austrian law professor, said it was up to U.S. courts and prosecutors to prove that the memos were written with the intention to incite torture.

Nowak and other experts said that a failure to investigate and prosecute when there was evidence of torture left those responsible vulnerable to prosecutorial action abroad.

"If it should turn out ... that the (U.S.) government and its authorities are not willing to prosecute those where we have enough evidence that they instigated or committed torture, then there is also an obligation on all other 145 states" party to the convention to exercise universal jurisdiction, Nowak said.

That means countries would have an obligation to arrest the individuals in question if they were on their soil and extradite them to the U.S. if Washington gave clear assurances they would bring them to justice. In the absence of such assurances, it would fall upon the respective country to take the individuals to court.

Nowak said this happened very rarely because the international community primarily relied on the governments of countries where torture occurs to take the necessary legal action to ensure that justice is served.

Nowak also said any probe of questionable CIA interrogation tactics must be independent and have thorough investigative powers.

"It can be a congressional investigation commission, a special investigator, but it must be independent and with thorough investigative powers," Nowak said.

On Thursday, Obama's press secretary suggested Obama does not care for an independent panel.

Last week, the Obama administration released secret CIA memos detailing interrogation tactics sanctioned under Bush.

The memos authorized keeping detainees naked, in painful standing positions and in cold cells for long periods of time. Other techniques included depriving them of solid food and slapping them. Sleep deprivation, prolonged shackling and threats to a detainee's family also were used.

Nowak said Saturday that Obama's decision not to prosecute CIA operatives who used questionable interrogation practices violates the same U.N. convention. But at that point he did not specifically address the issue of how the convention would apply to those who drafted the interrogation policy and gave the CIA the legal go-ahead.

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The U.S. is obligated by a United Nations convention to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who allegedly drafted policies that approved the use of harsh interrogation tactics against terrorism suspects

As they are obligated to prosecute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice. War criminals, every single one of them.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT
Mr. Dana L. Stern "Dan"

I agree they need to be prosecuted. They also failed to apprehend Osama Bin Laden and put down Taliban extremists which are about to over throw Pakistan!

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
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Eric AlbertDeleted
pleasecometoyoursenses

The following countries voted in favor of the Declaration: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Burma, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Denmark, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Liberia, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Thailand, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay and Venezuela

Where is the UNs outcry for all the other countries that have broken the UN agreement including the 2 countries we free Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh and then there is China, Iran and so on and so on.

The UN is worthless. We need to throw them out of US and quit giving them money.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
Eric AlbertDeleted
Professor Dr. S. CollymoreDeleted
Eric AlbertDeleted
Cooler Heads

This whole thing is just a distraction. Something else is going on. Something completely unrelated. I don't know what it is yet, but it will eventually show itself.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT
Eric AlbertDeleted
vol fan in chatt, tn

Keith Obermann?? Oh puleeasse.

after downing street? totally kaput.

  • 2 votes
#7.2 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:59 PM EDT
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Unrepentant Conservative

As soon as the UN starts doing something about the atrocities committed by North Korea, China, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Burma (yes I know is politically incorrect, I just don't care), Russia, Libya, Zimbabwe, Sudan, and the UN's own abysmal track record of abuse and corruption they will begin to have a moral high horse to sit on and make demands. Until that time it remains the bloated waste of taxpayer dollars it has always been and has no business suggesting the US does anything.

The Straw-man argument that "water-boarding" automatically constitutes torture is NOT universally agreed upon and if he doesn't like a lawyers opinion that is doesn't, tough.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
Eric AlbertDeleted
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ben-544226

th

    Reply#9 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:36 PM EDT
    ben-544226

    the US can take care of itself seems like someone may have spoken to alot of people in the UN to to persuade them into acting like that should have a voice in American polotics,I wonder who it could have been?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
    KGary

    This column is rediculous... Instead the U.N. should focus on doing something in the world constructive instead of leaving it up to the U.S. to make things right. The U.N. is a joke and should be disbanded!!!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#11 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
    Shawn-857835

    Clean up the UN and then we'll talk. One should not throw rocks when living in a glass house.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#12 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:58 PM EDT
    Mr. Dana L. Stern "Dan"

    Both Rice and Cheney need prosecution. Be prepared to see the Fox News Network lobby against this! The Fox News Network will do everything it can to sway the public to the Republican extremist view!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#13 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:20 PM EDT
    Shawn-857835

    Well every other network is in the tank for the Dems, it bothers you that one isnt?

    • 2 votes
    #13.1 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:51 PM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Well the UN having the gall to tell us what to do is just plain stupid! I don't care what chennel carries the story because this is going to make alot of "regular" people ticked...and it should!

      #13.2 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:03 AM EDT
      krishna-167929

      The Fox News Network will do everything it can to sway the public to the Republican extremist view!

      But...most liberals and even "centrist" non-Republicans don't watch Fox. So they only ones they could"sway' (if, in fact, they are that influential) are people who are already fairly conservative.

      Try as they might, I just don't see Fox changing many liberals opinions :-)

      • 1 vote
      #13.3 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:51 AM EDT
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      Darryl the Contractor

      This issue must see the light of day, completely, thoroughly and clean out every corner where their might be lingering doubt.

      There is nothing more cleansing than daylight!

      That said, we also need to quit kicking the same dead horse. Releasing more photos, then more memos, then more photos is just stupid.

      Every thinking person on the planet knows by now what was done and who is responsible.
      Put these people on trial, here.

      Stop waiting for "others" to pave the way for the trials. Hold these people up to the US justice system and lets get this whole stinking (literally) mess behind us, NOW.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#14 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:59 AM EDT
      Professor Dr. S. CollymoreDeleted
      vol fan in chatt, tn

      Where do you teach, Professor? So you are not happy with BO?

        Reply#16 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
        Mr ASPI SHROFF

        No Western nation has moral right to lecture others about morality or for that matter any other issues. They are quick to support UN when African leader is indicted for war crimes but are passive when Israel commits genocide.

        All these European nations have persecuted Jews over centuries and now they down loaded their guilt on Arabs on whose blood, state of Israel is built. One gets fed up to hear that N. Korea, Iran and others flouted UN resolutions when they themselves flout UN resolutions when it comes to Israel. How many times US has vetoed resolutions which criticise Israel?

        Europeans ethnically cleansed the native poplution of indegenious Americans and had audacity to call their killing machine Apache. Who enslaved the Africans?

        Britain, Australia, Canada and other European nations have time to time committed genocide. Evil countries.

        Nuremberg trial has laid the foundation by trying Nazis and hanging them for the crimes they committed in WW2.

        Though it would be futile to bring any one to book for Bush's torture policy.

          Reply#17 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT
          fourthwire

          Laughing at the politically-correct U.N.... who seems unable to force North Korea, Iran, Libya, or Syria from actual torture, imprisonment and summary execution of political prisoners but now one of those worthless toadies wants Americans tried for waterboarding?

          The U.N. embodies financial and moral corruption on an enormous scale. It is a popular organization with third world kleptocrats, blame-America-first dimwits and other assorted losers, though.

          Frankly they ought to be kicked out of the country and allowed to collapse from the weight of its own bureaucracy.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#18 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
          vol fan in chatt, tn

          You said it!

          • 1 vote
          #18.1 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT
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          vol fan in chatt, tn

          Wow, some folks on here....really what is in your water?

            Reply#19 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT
            ake1

            we are the leader of the world and since WWII we have been destroying every democraticly elected officials of other countries. if America needs to survive,we need to submit to the international law that we have signed. please no more of militaru ex-wife posters. the military is now borrwing money from china to pay for the smart bombs from Textran . the two lawyers specially the chinese guest teacher from berkeley must be jailed.

              Reply#20 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:24 AM EDT
              vol fan in chatt, tn

              First off what you say is not true. We have not been destroying democratic countries or elected officials for that matter. Which ones, pray tell?

              Now, you are CRAZY if you think we need to submit to international law!! We, as a nation, are great. yes, we have problems, but by submitting ourselves to international law, we are at the whim of every other country- we will be like them, weak, just average or below, instead of the excellent country we are now. We have a wonderful country, and a great deal to offer to other countries and have given already to others, and we have a God given Constitution that safeguards our liberties and freedoms, and gives us the rule of law for our country. Why in the WORLD, would we give that up, for say, sharia law, if that becomes the world standard?? What you are saying in insane, and against what probably 95 % of America would agree with.

              And I go back to my post before yours - really...

                Reply#21 - Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
                TaumSauk

                I oppose any foreign government, UN or otherwise, enterning this country and trying to tell us what to do. I think any political body that attempts to allow this should be removed. The U.N. has shown that it is not worth the money we pay it each year. The billions wasted on the U.N. can better be used...say, to collect the fart gasses from our cattle herds and reduce green house gas concentrations, or perhaps invested into manufaturing kudzu into biofuel..any investment of funds slated for the U.N. and repurposed to anything else will be give us a better return. We should stand strong, even fight to keep our country free of invited invaders.

                  Reply#22 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:13 PM EDT
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