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Holder: US needs Europe's help to close Gitmo

Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:24 AM EDT
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Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer
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<p>FILE -- In this April 23, 2009 file photo, Attorney General Eric Holder testifies before the House Appropriations Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington.  (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, FILE)</p>

FILE -- In this April 23, 2009 file photo, Attorney General Eric Holder testifies before the House Appropriations Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, FILE)

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BERLIN — U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder spent days gingerly, privately asking for help before taking his plea public: The United States needs Europe's assistance to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center.

In publicizing his appeal, Holder compared the effort to close Guantanamo to the historic alliances of the Cold War and the fall of the so-called Iron Curtain in this once-divided city.

"I know that Europe did not open Guantanamo, and that in fact a great many on this continent opposed it," Holder said in a speech Wednesday night. "To close Guantanamo, we must all make sacrifices and we must all be willing to make unpopular choices."

Holder spoke at the American Academy in Berlin, not long after telling reporters that the Obama administration had approved the release of about 30 Guantanamo detainees.

There are currently 241 inmates at the facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and President Barack Obama has ordered the detention center shuttered in the next nine months.

Holder's speech capped several days of private meetings in London, Prague and Berlin, in which he sought the help of European officials to find homes for those Guantanamo detainees that the U.S. believes no longer are dangerous to America or its allies.

"The story of the last half-century is one of each side of the Atlantic turning to the other for help in times of need, and today is no different," Holder said before a select group of about 100 policy experts, academics and journalists.

Asked about the decision by Bush administration officials to authorize tough interrogation techniques, Holder said he believed that many of them would, privately, admit to having made some mistakes in the pressure and worry that followed the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"I don't suspect that would be true of Vice President Dick Cheney," Holder added.

Germany's former justice minister, Herta Daubler-Gmelin, a fierce critic of previous President George W. Bush, said Holder "made a very good impression. He's very honest about this society in transformation in America."

She said she expected Germany would eventually be one of the countries that accepts Guantanamo detainees.

Before the speech, Holder said the U.S. has decided to release a group of about 30 detainees.

He said the United States is weeks away from asking certain countries to take detainees.

The Bush administration had approved about 60 detainees for release, and Holder aides would not say if the 30 he was referring to were part of that group. Separately, about 20 detainees have been ordered released by the courts, though those cases remain unresolved.

Congressional Republicans — already critical of Obama's move to close the detention center — criticized Holder for announcing Guantanamo decisions to European audiences rather than in the U.S.

"Releasing terrorists endangers American lives both here and abroad," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas.

The senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, Smith complained the Obama administration "is sharing more information with foreign countries at overseas press conferences" than with the U.S. Congress.

Several European nations, including Portugal and Lithuania, have said they will consider taking such detainees. Others, like Germany, are divided on the issue.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy already has made what was billed as a symbolic gesture of agreeing to take one Guantanamo detainee.

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Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

It is not the President's job to enforce the laws of the land, but the job of the Attorney General.

And you can be assured he will.

Take the Ten-Question Newsvine Poll on torture in the United States.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:50 AM EDT
Sandie Seward

Hardly relevant for the Attorney General to visit the Tower! Mind you, for a sense of History, it's hard to beat, and it certainly wasn't called "The Bloody Tower" for nothing.

If those old walls could only speak!

Centuries of "Political Dissidents" and Royals who "got in the way" have been incarcerated there.

"Traitors Gate" is still closed waiting for it's next arrivals, which, should, in my opinion be at least three men....all with Surnames beginning with "B".

Bush....Blair.....and Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:59 AM EDT
AgeOfReason

Would it be acceptable to torture if by doing so caused more Americans to be killed and tortured?

Would it be acceptable to torture if better and more proven means of gathering information were available? (Information was available about an impending 911 attack yet it was ignored.)

I think it is simply that republicans, specifically social conservatives, think that torture is the answer for everything from health care to national defense.

The Republican stance on Health Care: Let those who don't have it die.

The Republican answer to murder: The Death Sentence.

The Republican answer to drug wars: Prisons.

The Republican answer to climate change: Drill baby drill.

The Republican answer to immigration: Eliminate Habius Corpus.

The Republican answer to education: If you can't afford it too bad.

The Republican answer to attacks on America: Kill more Americans in illegal wars.

The Republican answer to alternative energy: Poisonous Nuclear and Coal.

The Republican answer to God: Believe or Die.

The Republican answer to the Economy: Robber Barons.

Torture is the Republican Plan for America.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:13 AM EDT
Mac-295039

The Republican stance on Health Care: Let those who don't have it die.

Democrats stance: Tax everyone and create a socialism style country wide health program that will reduce the pay and quality of medical professional.

The Republican answer to murder: The Death Sentence.

Democrat stance: Allow people who commit to use their social inabilities or lack of parental guidance as an excuse to conduct felony crimes. Place criminals with severe violence or violent history or work programs, college educations, and other items so they can become better citizens. Denouce their actions but restrict the victims rights or justice for the criminal's actions. "It's not the fault of the indivdual but it is the society's fault that caused him to commit murder."

The Republican answer to drug wars: Prisons.

Democrats stance" Legalize drugs and make it accessible as much as one can buy a six pack or a carton of cigarettes. Because we all know that smoking pot will not cause a person to seek a higher form of illegal drugs, pot is on the same level as a beer. Restrict actions against Narco-terrorism groups and reduce any Federal aid money to various Latin American countries that are fighting the drug cartels and heavily armed Narco-groups.

The Republican answer to climate change: Drill baby drill.

Democrats stance: Don't drill, allow the current gas prices to increase in an already poor economic situation. Push for only specific political agenda "green friendly" methods and prevent any use of coal, nuclear, or additional oil sites to be even looked at. Let's attempt to pour billions into "Green fuels" and just shut off the current oil based systems to ensure we can get the full vote from the environmental crew. Let's avoid any ideas to secure the oil we have within our own national limits and restrict off-shore drilling for the sake of bad PR and votes. Let's bypass the idea of seeking all forms of energy as well as the ones we have to ensure the citizen is not crushed with additional pirce increases.

The Republican answer to immigration: Eliminate Habius Corpus.

Democrat stance: Allow everyone who is here illegally to become automatic citizens, don't restrict or increase the Border Patrol budget, hamper local and state law enforcement agencies to arrest illegal aliens who are criminals (refer to the increase number of illegal aliens who have commited major felony acts). Refuse to place troops across the border (armed) because we would rather have other countries tell us what we should do in the reduction of mass movement of people. Increase social services for illegal aliens to ensure we can get their vote.

The Republican answer to education: If you can't afford it too bad.

Democrat stance: Increase the number of "trained" educators who would rather "preach" their own political agenda or bias towards the US than actually "teach". Place restrictions on the middle class students because of the number of required slots, scholarships, and openings for lower income students regardless of their grades must be allowed in fear of some form of legal actions. Continue to allow the price of classes to increase twice as high as the rate of inflation while continue to increase Congress pay scales. Listen to the NEA senior leadership for more votes and do not place methods to get rid of poor performace educators, allow higher education leaders to promote classroom teachings with "Anti-American/America is bad" type themes.

The Republican answer to attacks on America: Kill more Americans in illegal wars.

Democrats stance: Denouce the War on Terror as officially "over" and stick head in the sand in attempts to "wish away" any potential terroristic attacks on the US or US assets. Blame the entire Republican Party for the short comings although Democratic leaders also voted and reviewed the same material and approved for action. Denouce the actions when it doesnt go that well and praise the troops when it is actually working. Work the fence and review the current public "trends" to see what they should say during major press releases. Cut the Defense Budget, set projected time lines with terrorist who will only wait until the last major troops leave in Iraq and then all hell will break apart, but they will say, "we had no idea and this war was all Bush, we had nothing to do with it."

The Republican answer to alternative energy: Poisonous Nuclear and Coal.

Democrats stance: Although the US is the "Saudi Arabia" of coal in the entire world, the democrats seek to restrict the use of coal burning plants and stop coal mines from procurement. Stop nuclear power plants and reduce or use of natural gas, oil, or anything that the "Green Party" thinks is "evil". Increase prices will occur because both food and fuel prices will increase while the job market, stock market, and wages remain negative. Blame the prices on other people then their own planning and claim that by using billions in tax payer and Chinese bought T-Bills that building roads, bridges, and pet work projects will reduce our unemployment to record lows. We have over 10% unemployment but the work projects and "green program" may create 100,000 jobs? No off shore oil drilling because that would be "bad" although we could use the oil from our own resources to reduce input from the Middle East.

The Republican answer to God: Believe or Die.

Democrats stance: Don't believe in anything and don't even attempt to talk about your own beliefs.

The Republican answer to the Economy: Robber Barons.

Democrats stance: Short memory. The billions of dollars approved through cheap home loans for individuals who should have never been allowed to purchase a home through groups like Freedie Mae and Freedy Mac are not to be reported or discussed. The Democrats will seek to punish anyone who is wealthy because we are becoming a country not of "hard work and fair play" but a country of people who are "envious", if you want it and don't want to work for it then take it from the rich because they have too much money anyway. Tax the uber-rich and give additional money to those who do not get off the couch to earn a living. Tax the middle class because although the constant PR from the news media is that there will be no "tax increase" by 2010 the "Bush Tax Cuts" will be removed and all tax payers will see an increase in taxes taking from their checks. The Democrats will say that it was "Republican Tax Cuts just for the rich and therefore they didnt raise taxes it was just another left-over from President Bush jr."

Torture is the Republican Plan for America.

Democrats stance: Blame just republicans for the use of "water boad" methods and remove themselves from the entire debate, although senior democratic leadership sits on the Defense, Intelligence, HomeLand Security Committees. Include Taliban, Al Qadea, and insurgents should receive the same rights as a Prisoner of War even though these groups kill unarmed prisoners and use their deaths in video clips to promote their own political agenda, claim that they are on the same level as US military service members and if should be treated fairly as if they conduct themselves on the same manner.

Democrat answer to treatment of terrorist suspects or known terrorist operatives: Allow them to leave the GitMo location, work-release programs, place here within the US and European Union as long as they "swear" not to conduct anymore attacks on US citizens.

Democrats answer to the world's view on the United States: Travel around the world to seek, beg, and ask for forgiveness to countries that blocked US actions in Iraq. Avoid questions about those countries support to Saddam prior to the invasion in 2003, their involvement in the corrupt Oil for Food scam, and increase in arms procurement, and black market buy-outs for Saddam's own accounts. Tell France that we are sorry for getting pissed at them for calling us "American Nazi state" and tell them that it is we who are arrogant and they are a "beacon of higher moral fiber". Ask the rest of the world how we should conduct foreign world affairs. Reduce Defense Department Budget and tell the world that we are a much kind, gentle, and open minded Nation. Open the door to the declassification to recent Top Secret documentation in attempts to shift all blame and responsibility on just a selected few Republicans without looking at the co-authors and signatures on those documents who are Democrats.

Democrats stance on Gun Control: Place additional gun restrictions on owners who have legally purchased a firearms in another attempt to gain PR votes and political capital. Restrict the rights of a gun owner and increase the number of loop-holes for criminals to get off murder, rape, and other major criminal activity not based on individual results but because their mother didnt hug them enough. Restrict the production of ammunition for weapons to increase the prices and then use a "back-door" approach on removing the issue of gun ownership. If ammunition is pricey then no one will be able to use a weapon. Place liability for gun owners that if they fire a weapon that they could be sued by the criminal if the criminal is not killed by the bullet. Call any weapon that holds more then 5 rounds in the magazine as an "assault rifle" and seek to restrict or ban it.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:48 PM EDT
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Simplistic Reality

Nothing but an Obama Admin PR stunt. Plain and simple. Anyone else for kool-aid? Going once, twice?...

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:49 AM EDT
Pamela Drew

Nothing but an Obama Admin PR stunt. Plain and simple.

Either we are a Nation of laws or we are not. Pretending crimes are something less is PR.

The attorney general must decide whether Bush administration officials should be prosecuted for authorizing and approving harsh interrogation techniques against terror suspects. Critics call the methods torture.

Critics call it torture? Nice spin by the AP when US soldiers and foreigners have been sent to jail for these methods that are seen as torture everywhere but the NeoCon loophole memos.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
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Hosethemdown

Why? And why now? Bush-hater's psychosis, that's why.

Eric Holder is a pip-squeak. We know how tough he'll be upholding the law. He's already helped arrange an Obama cabinet full of crooks on a work release program.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:26 AM EDT
Pamela Drew

Why? And why now? Bush-hater's psychosis, that's why.

Why now? Because Bush was untouchable when he was directing these torture methods and because the majority of Americans voted for change, including a return to upholding the law.

It has nothing to do with feelings about Bush but protecting the integrity of the Office of President so we as Americans can know that our leaders will uphold their oath of office. This isn't a political issue it is about human rights and Constitutional Law.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:17 AM EDT
Hosethemdown

It has nothing to do with feelings about Bush but protecting the integrity of the Office of President so we as Americans can know that our leaders will uphold their oath of office.

So is he going to vist a Bordello to figure out how to uphold the integrity of the office of the President after the Clinton years? Or Arafat's widow (is she sitill around?) to figure out how to uphold integrity in the office of the President after Jimmy Carter?

And who changed the title of the seed from "Holder visits torture site" or some such to the "Holder meets with British intelligent officials". And is Holder even allowed in a meeting requiring intelligence?

We all know Holder is trying to gin up support for the issuance of an international warrant for the arrest of George Bush and Dick Cheney for war crimes. Holder should stay overseas where he belongs. And take that Obama cat with him.

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:35 AM EDT
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KyleN

Isn't it the State Department's job to perform diplomacy? Why is the Attorney General needing to go do it instead?

I think the simplest answer is likely the truth, it's not about substance it's about image. Holder is there to give the media a focus point on possible political persecutions rather than allowing them to fixate on policy initiatives of the administration.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:18 AM EDT
Simplistic Reality

Oh smack. The truth does hurt sometimes!

  • 1 vote
#6.1 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:50 AM EDT
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FredricIII

I hope that the British officials with whom Holder met were "intelligent."

    Reply#7 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:54 AM EDT
    metonitoo

    Eric may be the glue that holds our "Torture Policy Together" - The Trip IS NOT A STATE DEPARTMENT TRIP- but rather intended to give Eric a sense of the Long Term National Damage Done By A Torture Policy Outside of Any Rule of Law.

    The Cheney Counter-Claim is a dim assertion That We Saved Lives via Torture-

    An FBI Agent On Interview - It is inaccurate, however, to say that Abu Zubaydah had been uncooperative. Along with another F.B.I. agent, and with several C.I.A. officers present, I questioned him from March to June 2002, before the harsh techniques were introduced later in August. Under traditional interrogation methods, he provided us with important actionable intelligence.(From New York Times Interview With One of the Interrogators Who Was There, In The Room, Participating)

    Now i really don't need memos that were entered into the record 6-8 mos. later and may have been manufactured (after the CIA Complained about being forced to Torture More) by Cheney, who lied enough as the VP designing this torture program... what good is served by dividing the National Debate Based On Lies... i'll take this 26 year FBI Agent's Word Over Anybody Else!

    [Sidebar: Fredriclll -any Brit is more intelligent than any Bush appointee and less intelligent than Eric.]

      Reply#8 - Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
      Xerxes-727854

      Its funny how the Europeans bleat about Gitmo yet when asked to accept the detainees so Gitmo can be closed, they say no. ROTFLMAO!

      I have a suggestion, tell the Europeans to STFU and keep Gitmo open for business.

        Reply#9 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:15 PM EDT
        Mac-295039

        It's the new era of change in our foreign policy making process. Now we will ask for European permission and ensure that it meets the required popular public European polls before we will act and if we do something they do not like we will say sorry and hid in the corner.

          #9.1 - Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:16 AM EDT
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