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UAW could own majority of Chrysler

Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT
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— The United Auto Workers would own a majority stake in Chrysler under a deal reached between the company and the union over the weekend, according to a report on the Washington Post’s Web site.

If a restructuring of the U.S. automaker is completed according to the tentative deal, the union would have a 55 percent stake in the company, the Italian automaker Fiat would eventually hold a 35 percent stake, and the government and Chrysler's lenders would share a 10 percent stake in the company, the Post said, citing a source who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The agreement must be ratified by union members and would be a milestone in the effort to keep Chrysler and its 54,000 employees out of bankruptcy, the newspaper said.

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Merrill-387190

And you were all so worried that the UAW were getting the short end of the stick. Looks to me like the UAW is about to discover what it's like to be on the other side of the table. Or, are they on both sides of the table? I imagine the price of a new Malibu will soon be as much as a new Mercedes.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT
Mr. Rogers.

They have been running the company for years (and into the ground too). Nothing really new here....

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
RackNStack

What will be new though is that if the UAW is the majority shareholder in the company, they'll be directly affected by the bottom line. Right now, they're all collecting paychecks regardless of the performance of the company, and point to management whenever the company fails.

I think this is brilliant.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT
Oh Please!-770534

This is Obama's love letter to unions and the bondholders and taxpayers don't even get a kiss or reach around for their sacrifices. This just gets scarier every day.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT
Desertgirl

What does it mean that the UAW would have such a large stake in an auto company (BTW, I read the same thing this morning re GM, but in a scenario where the US government, er taxpayers have a majority stake, not the union)? I mean what is the practical effect?

Does it affect the price of the product? The quality? The supply available? What about demand? Will people buy vehicles from such a company?

RackNStack's comment is very well-written and makes a lot of sense to me, but is it a realistic scenario? Would the government come in and keep bailing the company out?

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
Big Tee

Uh, Chrysler doesn't make the Malibu.

    #1.5 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:53 PM EDT
    Get Real...

    Now this is too perfect! The UAW will learn something about their own greed!

    • 2 votes
    #1.6 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
    robby-778896

    WOW, I can't believe what they got, and what they did't have to give up. Only 50% of wage when laid off now, no raises for a couple of years, no bonus for 2 years, unskilled become one group and work in teams, and one new Fiat inspired small car to be built in US plant. Sound like the retierees took a big hit, no vision or dental coverage, but if the stock does well, they may get it back. The stock will be treaded again.

    So UAW and Fiat will own 90% of the company, and the lenders get the other 10%.

      #1.7 - Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:53 AM EDT
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      Mr. Rogers.

      Unions running Chrysler... Isn't that like bankers running the treasury? Oh wait.. we already have that too so why not.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
      bear fan-600312

      Ironic. The group that killed the U.S. auto industry now gets to run it. American capitalism is dying a death of a thousand cuts. I can feel greatness slipping our grasp.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#3 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT
      David SchulzeDeleted
      Mike-1037986

      Obamanomics at work... Socialism for the banks... and where to start best..."transportation"... seems like a pattern at work...

        Reply#5 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT
        navynuke

        Another reason not to buy a Chrysler product. Over-priced, poorly made, government subsidized, mafia owned.

        "We finally will have what we have always wanted a working relationship with a friendly government."

        Godfather Part II

        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
        vince-353933

        The treasury has forced Chryslers bondholders to accept 2 billion cash of an outstanding 7 billion dollar debt while at the same time the government says that Citigroup will probably need more cash. Who was the rocket scientist that came up with that plan? It now looks as if the Union will own 55% of Chrysler with another 20 to 35% going to a foreign company. When this boondoggle of a deal finalizes the government will give another 6 billion dollars to Chrysler to help restructure. And the winner is Cerberus , the privately held hedge fund who would not invest in their own company. And the loser's are the american taxpayers. This is absolutely ridiculous.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#7 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
        navynuke

        boycott chrysler!!!!

        • 5 votes
        Reply#8 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
        Disgusted-537324

        boycot navy nuke

        • 2 votes
        #8.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT
        JIM-755017

        Boycott Chrysler!!!!

        • 1 vote
        #8.2 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
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        navynuke

        Tony Soprano is now a CEO

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
        Are we blind

        This proves what many have said along, we don't need unions....I thought we had unions to protect the poor, helpless employees from the overbearing, greedy, overpaid management and owners.

        This is really messed up but.......one simple commerical should save Chrylser...

        come on every body, say it together....."Buy Union, your life, oops,... country depends on it."

        • 3 votes
        Reply#10 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT
        Bill-541803

        Would the last person left standing in a free United States of America turn off the lights. Government interference in our personal lives, over taxation, and now goverenmental interference into capital enterprises. Have a nice day citizen of the new USSR!

        • 4 votes
        Reply#11 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
        dews-862877

        UAW running the Chrysler company, if it works out, that will take the wind out of the sails of the union busters and the dummies, who think a company will take care of them better than a union for the workers.--Ok lets get it on.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#12 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:36 PM EDT
        Mike-879967

        whats gonna happpen at the next contract negotiations is what i want to know hehhee now that is one i would like to be there for

        • 2 votes
        Reply#13 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
        dews-862877

        Your right, that might be fun to watch.

        • 1 vote
        #13.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:47 PM EDT
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        Hang Bama For TreasonDeleted
        Peter-493933

        Chrysler will not survie this. If it does, it will be only a ghost of its former self. The best thing that Chrysler can do is to keep only the most profitable models and dump the rest. Keep the Charger/300, Caravan, Challenger, Ram, Jeep Wrangler, and Grand Cherokee. Toss everything else.

        I had a 2005 PT Cruiser with a stick, and the transmission went bad in just 30,000 miles. They put in a new transmission, and that second one went bad after 6,000 miles. After they put in the third transmission, I went to Saturn and traded in the PT Cruiser for a Saturn Aura. NO, it is not my driving! I had a 98 Ford Escort ZX2, and it went 105,000 miles on one transmission and one clutch. Chrysler just can't build good small cars. Unfortunately for them, the American consumers want more small and mid-sized cars.

        I don;t think that giving the union a 55% stake in the company will make one difference. The union is there to manage employees, not to design cars. Chrysler should pray and hope that Fiat hooks them up with some small cars very soon, or Chrysler will just fade into oblivion in the next 5-7 years.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#15 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:11 PM EDT
        Neil-798344

        I had a heater fan go out in my Grand Caravan last winter and found that there was a $475 part in line with the switch. I design electrical systems for a living and there's NO reason to add an expensive component like that into a circuit feeding a simple 12V DC fan. It's just sheer greed; making you pay the dealer for parts (and labor) that exist solely to break and cost you lots of money.

        Now that Chrysler is owned by the UAW, and GM will soon be owned by Washington...I guess from now on I'll only buy imports. Those Koreans and Japanese build a h3ll of a good product.

        • 1 vote
        #15.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT
        Kevin-859385

        Unfortunately this specific government will never let Chrysler fail given the 55% union stake and the importance to the democrat fund raising machine by said unions.

        We continue the slide into mediocrity.

        • 1 vote
        #15.2 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT
        enoughsenough

        Who says Americans want small cars. I don't want to ride around in a tin can with donuts for tires. This one should be fun to watch. The gov and the union telling a business how to do something. If I was Fiat I wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole. GM and Chrysler should have gone under last year. Others would have split them and bought them up and they would have been on the way to recovery. Just like our economy, it is going to be a long time until we see any type of recovery. How long can you beat a dead horse?

        God Bless America

        • 1 vote
        #15.3 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT
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        Bruce-308647

        Someone please explain to me how putting the control of the company in the hands of the UAW is going to do anything to enhance competititiveness.... I expect the governement will continue to pump money in year after year to prop this charade up and keep it in business, and as a result the UAW will be even MORE in the pocket of the liberal democrats.

        What we are witnessing right now is the deck being completely stacked at every turn to create dependence on a benevolent government that all Americans are totally dependent on for everything they have. I used to wonder how the German people could be so misguided into putting Adolf Hitler into power, but now I am witnessing first-hand the enamored masses in this country joyfully turning over the keys to everything in return for taking care of us. History is repeating itself...

        • 2 votes
        Reply#16 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
        Merrill-387190

        How else to you expect Obama to get reelected. If he doesn't give the UAW a free ride on our buck, they'll dump him!

        • 2 votes
        #16.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
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        Disgusted-537324

        First off how can you compare what is going on today to the killing of so many that's just sick. Second I think they are thinking by putting it in the UAW'S hands they are going to get average americans views of what people want. I'm not saying that's the greatest idea americans change their minds with the blink of an eye. What people are forgetting is the people that work in the uaw are normal average middle class americans they are not rich by any means and are no different than you and I. I am so sick of people talking like these people are rich, maybe if they are in management but most are not.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#17 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
        gday67

        It will be funny when the UAW leaders start treating its members poorly like they claim management of the company did. Shoe is going to be on the other foot now and I suspect that UAW leaders and members are going to be fighting when contract time comes around again.

        • 1 vote
        #17.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT
        enoughsenough

        Disgusted,

        It did not start with the killing of so many, it started very eerily to the way the US is going now, especially when you compare the two leaders.

        Haven't you figured out it does not matter what the average American wants, it is what the far left wants. If it was not for all the gov regulations placed on auto manufacturers, they probably would not be in this situation. They are one of the most regulated industries in America. Get ready for more government management of other industries. Obviously individuals are not smart enough to do what is right. We need more gov control.

        God Bless America

        • 1 vote
        #17.2 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT
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        Sam R-843611

        Every bank mentioned involved in the debts are part of the Federal Reserve. THEY ARE ALL INSOLVENT because of all the derivatives losses. We are giving them hundreds of billions of dollars......... NOW THE BANKER SNAKES WANT $2 BILLION CASH FOR $7 BILLION IN WORTHLESS DEBT???

        Put the $6.9 billion in debt on the private auction block and lets see what it is worth..... NOTHING! What idiot would pay $2 billion for $7 Billion's worth of a bancrupt company ready to file? This WILL go into bankruptcy and the FED banks will walk away with $2 billion cash and leave the taxpayers with worthless paper.

        God himself could not make a car company in financial trouble become solvent in this economy. NOBODY is buying new cars. There is a "no margin/profit" in any sale except those fleet sales to the Federal Government. Even the best companies with the best products are struggling just to lose money and keep inventory moving. There is NO TIME to rebuild a company in this economy...... NONE, It does not matter who is in charge of Chrysler.

        This is pure re-payment of lobby money to the Democratic party and a good nose thumbing to the American taxpayers. Everyday now I read about another expenditure a monkey could tell was a blatantly irresponsible decision. This makes me sick.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#18 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
        Fred G. from N.C.

        The government gave money to almost all of these debt holders. They ought to make them write off the debt.

        • 1 vote
        #18.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
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        Frank Bus

        That's the BEST IDEA I have heard yet. They can pay themselves all their bonuses out of the profits. Americans usually don't stave to death, but there is a first time for everyone.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#19 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
        cft-456377

        If I am not mistaken I think Chrysler filed for Bankruptcy back in the late 70"s (I was young and naive back then)  If that is the case I think it is time to let them sink.  I don't want to see hard working folks lose their jobs but these large corporations missmanaging their funds has got to stop.  I guess they never heard of the word BUDGET!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#20 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
        penchic

        they did...but Iaccoca (sp?) turned it around while he worked for $1/year!

        • 1 vote
        #20.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:19 PM EDT
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        Albee-2009

        The end of the line for Chrysler. This is a very small auto company to begin with and now the company will have to pull back even further. The only thing they got is the Jeep line. When gas prices go back up this will end Chrysler.

        No investors will ever put money into either GM or Chrysler now after these dealings sold out the bond holders.

        The big winner in the Chrysler deal has been the equity steak holder, Cerberus Capital, they can finally get out from under this mess.

          Reply#21 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
          robby-778896

          Albee-2009,

          I would not be too sure about no investers. Have you ever seen those bumper sticker that say buy union made? OK, so now Chrysler/UAW can go to all the big national union get togethers, and push union made, union owned sell to other union members like teamsters, teachers, all the government employees in th ewhole northeast, and anybody else they can sell to. Once they convince other unions to buy them, the stock will start to rise, and they can get other union pensions to invest. As long as they don't strike against themselves, they could make it work, they will just have to find some intelligent people to run it all, so they don't ruin it all.

            #21.1 - Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:00 AM EDT
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            bear fan-600312

            I THINK I'm glad I own Ford stock and no GM. Ford seems to be the only one at least willing to apply free market principles to their situation. Chrysler is DOA. American capitalism in on life support and Obama is trying hard to pull the plug.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#22 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
            pokher_ace

            geez...Going forward the union would just be scewing them selves correct? Life is good!

            • 1 vote
            Reply#23 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT
            WastingtonDC

            <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> WastingtonDC: Detroit will never prosper, or survive, as long as 20 million local, state, and federal bureaucrats work with congress, to force the auto industry to build the wrong products. GM can build a Plug In & Out diesel/CNG fuel/electric hybrid truck, sized to meet the needs of 80,000,000 working Americans, in any of their closed truck factories, and sell every one they make, right now. Or they can let foreign manufacturers get the concept right, first, and introduce the World Truck Hybrid, as GM goes out of business. Working Americans must have fuel/electric hybrids, now, at $60K to $120K, or more, for heavier, long range models. None of us can haul our crews, tools, machinery, generators, and materials, in the fly weight Plug In only electrics that are the flavor of the day. The few millions of those fuel/electric mini cars sold this decade, will allow our cadre of millionaire extremist environmentalists to make statements on greening America, while our GDP does not get built, serviced, or delivered, when OPEC's terror financiers tighten the tap, next time. Working truck owners use, and for that single reason, are best placed to save, some 30 to 60 percent of our liquid transport fuels, this decade, or to replace them with bio-fuels, or US CNG fuels, now. Using World Truck million mile hybrids, present technology batteries, and charging from the grid at off peak electric rates, and charging to the grid, or to our spare battery pod trailers, during peak electric rate hours, we can pay for our investment in a vehicle that lets us live off grid, farm all electric, and cut OPEC's terror financiers off at the knees. The rest of the world's workers need the same vehicles, now, to power their family compound, or village when the truck is not on the highway, and to use the locally produced bio-fuels that American farmers and co-ops will use to leave the grid entirely, except when we sell the grid our power, at bonus rates. GM must reclaim it's ownership of the productive worker's vehicle market, or turn out the lights, as the last GM worker starves out of Detroit. The congress's envisioned, limitless subsidy, extorted from our taxpayers will never make the flyweight hybrid's capable of eliminating our dependence on terror financier's cartel/suppliers, for petroleum based fuels. On the other hand, simple federal preemption of all title, license, and and other taxes and fees extorted by our 20 million civil servants, most neither civil, nor servants of our peoples, from working truck owners, and passed on to their customers, and their helpless families, will result in energy independence, within a generation, at no cost to the taxpayers, by stopping egregious tax, fee, fine, and roadside repair extortion that costs billions of dollars and thousands of highway deaths and injuries yearly, all for nothing but revenue competition among city, county, state, and federal bureaucracy. The "no felt cost to American taxpayers" solution is easy, and simple: Issue a NAFTA wide fixed price, federal $50.00 title and permanent license plate, for any new, used, or converted hybrid vehicle, of any size, or weight, and their power pod pup trailers, and any trailer used by those hybrids, that allows "free trade" use of any NAFTA highway, including all of the US system, Canada, et al. for the life of the vehicle, as long as it uses fuel produced within NAFTA, or electricity generated within NAFTA, to replace liquid transport fuels imported from outside NAFTA. This relief from stupid tax competition subsidy, of $5000 to $10,000 per year, for every GM/Detroit, UAW/CAW World Truck Hybrid series vehicle, will end the production of light medium and large Petroleum Fueled vehicles within a decade or two, and free America from imported energy dependence, while reducing the cost of working American's personal and business vehicles, and the draconian hidden taxes the bureaucracy imposes on every thing purchased by American citizens. That would be everything not delivered the last miles, to the customer, or vendor, by airplane, ship, or train, using airfields, piers, or train depots, hidden just like the draconian tax, fee, fine and roadside repair extortion that costs every consumer a huge portion of the price of every product or service that makes our life possible, and worthwhile. Of course, the infrastructure necessary to support fuel/electric hybrid trucks will be built first, and fast, by the private sector, and will support the Plug In and Out mini hybrids that will be built, once we have returned the OPEC cartel and their terror financiers to their caves, with their misguided supporters in relative penury, since their terror tax on all petroleum based transport fuels will be collected, by NAFTA and other nations of the free world, at their own borders, instead of by the terror financiers of the Levant. Break out, build the products that we need, and break the backs of our terror financier petroleum suppliers

              Reply#24 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
              robby-778896

              WastingtonDC - you do know that all of our electricity is generated within NAFTA! and so is the vast majority of the petroleum products that we use over 50%.

                #24.1 - Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:04 AM EDT
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                penchic

                let's see... UAW owning majority of Chrysler...and according to reports yesterday, UAW could be a major owner in GM along with the FED...

                ...and the UAW helped elect obummer...who wants to nationalize the auto business along with banks, insurance,education,health...

                it just keeps getting closer and closer to socialism...

                • 2 votes
                Reply#25 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
                pete-734820

                UAW owning a big share of Chrysler is great news, its the American way, the unions now will share in the benefits when its company prospers, unlike the new USAGM they have an incentive to succeed, motivate to build a great car that people want to buy and then reap the rewards of their hard work. Before they were working for a pay check now they are motivated to work to secure their future, maybe FIAT is the real winner because unlike GM it owns a company that is motivated by democratic principals, the Italians could very well have the last laugh, laughing all the way to the bank.

                  Reply#26 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
                  Kevin-859385

                  What? You mean that labor doesn't care unless it has a piece. I love it. Just another reason for unions to get dissolved. They have outlived their usefullness.

                  • 1 vote
                  #26.1 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
                  robby-778896

                  Pete, do you think if the stocks do well they will share it with the line workers? I don't think so, it wil go into the trust for healthcare and pensions. If they really wanted to show thatthey cared as owner operators, some of what they gave up would be permanent, not just for 2 - 4 years. Oh and they would have done away with all pay when laid off, not just reduce it to 50%, but we will see, time will tell.

                    #26.2 - Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:09 AM EDT
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                    willie-749103

                    I love it.....now they can't say those rich sobs who do nothing and get paid a ton are ruining the company..they now own it and can pay themselves $500 bucks an hour or whatever they want....be interesting to see how long they last, my money says not long.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#27 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
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