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ConsumerMan: Credit score Q&A

Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT
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msnbc.com News — Herb Weisbaum, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com
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— Last week’s column on credit scores generated a lot of comments and questions. Olga, who says she has excellent credit, sent me an e-mail that sums up the frustration of so many. “I feel that no matter what a consumer does, no matter how careful you are with your credit, whatever you do, they tell you it could lower your credit score. A consumer cannot win!”

I understand the frustration. Your credit score now controls so many aspects of your life: whether you can rent an apartment or get a car loan, credit card or mortgage. I think everyone knows late payments will hurt their score. But other than that, most don’t have a clue as to how credit scores are computed.

Here are the answers to some of your questions.

Q: A department store chain is going out of business and I have one of their store-branded Visa cards. The bank that issued the card says once the store closes its doors for good they will close my account. Would it be better for my credit score if I close the card myself before the bank does?

A: It doesn’t matter who closes the account. That isn’t one of the factors considered when computing your credit score. But closing an account – whether it’s done by you or the lender – can have a short-term negative impact on your credit score. This is due to what’s called debt utilization – the ratio of your total debt to total credit limit – and it counts for about a third of your credit score.

“Closing a credit card reduces your available credit, but doesn’t reduce the amount you owe, making it look as if you’re using more of your available credit,” explains Greg McBride, senior financial analyst with bankrate.com.

Here’s how that works. Let’s say you have four credit cards and each has a $5,000 limit, making your available credit $20,000. You have no balance on one card and a combined balance of $6,000 on the other three. Your utilization rate is about 30 percent. That’s not bad. Credit experts say you should try to use 30 percent or less of your available credit.

What happens if you decide to close the card with the zero balance because you don’t use it anymore? Your available credit drops by $5,000 but your total debt doesn’t change. So your utilization rate jumps to 40 percent ($6,000 debt on $15,000 of available credit) and your credit score will drop.

Craig Watts, public relations manager at Fair Isaac, the company that created the FICO score, says if you close a card and you have virtually no balance on your other cards “the impact on your score will be negligible.”  Watts says it won’t hurt you if you go from a 2 percent to a 10 percent utilization rate. But jump from 10 percent to 50 percent and “you’ll get clobbered.” So you need to do the math before you close an account.

If you have a good reason to close a card, such as a big annual fee on a card you don’t use, then consider closing it. Just don’t close a bunch of cards at once. And don’t close credit accounts if you plan to apply for a car loan or mortgage in the next six to twelve months.

Q: Why do we have to pay a fee in order to see our credit scores? Annual credit reports are available at no charge. These scores are so important, why aren't they free as well?

A: Congress never included credit scores when it required the big three credit bureaus to give you one free credit report each year. Many consumer groups believe this should be changed. But the industry makes a lot of money selling these scores.

Want to know your score? You'd be smart to get it from FICO because it’s the most widely used score. If you’re applying for a mortgage, you'll also want to get a score from Experian. They no longer make their FICO score available to the public.

Bankrate.com has a FICO Score Estimator, a free calculator that will give you an estimated range for your FICO score based on 10 questions. It's a simple way to figure out where you stand when you have no plans to apply for credit.

ConsumerMan warning: Don’t respond to an e-mail or Internet ad from some unfamiliar company. Chances are your lender will never use this score.

Q: How does a person who has filed bankruptcy re-establish credit? Since someone who’s gone bankrupt can't file again for a long time, shouldn't it be easier to get credit cards?

A: It used to be that way. These days, many lenders don’t want anything to do with risky borrowers. A bankruptcy hammers your credit score which tells lenders you are a big risk.

Once the bankruptcy drops off your report in seven years, it will be a lot easier to get credit with prime lenders. But you don’t need to wait that long to start rebuilding a good credit history. Get a gas card or department store credit card and pay your bills on time, every time.

“The best option to avoid getting stuck with a sub-prime credit card with hundreds of dollars in fees is to get a secured card,” advises Curtis Arnold, founder of cardratings.com. He suggests contacting “bankruptcy-friendly creditors” such as HSBC or GE Money Bank.

“We’ve heard some amazing do-it-yourself stories where folks coming off a bankruptcy have been able to obtain decent credit scores in a matter of just two to three years,” Arnold tells me.

Gerri Detweiler, credit advisor with Credit.com, says it’s important to review your credit reports to make sure any debts discharged in your bankruptcy accurately reflect a zero balance. Dispute any negative information that is inaccurate or incomplete.

Be careful of all credit card offers you get in the mail. “Read the fine print to make sure you are not agreeing to reaffirm a debt you wiped out in your bankruptcy,” Detweiler advises.

Craig Watts at FICO recommends a site called AfterBankrupcty.com which offers a free educational seminar to people who are in this situation.

Also, check out this FTC site on how to repair your credit.

ConsumerMan warning: Never pay a credit repair firm to boost your score. These outfits are scams.

Q: I went to refinance my mortgage to take advantage of the low rates and found that my credit score had plummeted from well over 700 to 640. In investigating, I found that I had been sent to collection for an $89 medical bill I thought was paid. There was also a credit card balance of $75 that was paid late – the annual fee on a card I don't use. I admit I’ve been sloppy in my attention to these, but in my defense I have never been late on a mortgage payment, I have zero balances on all of my credit cards, I have a solid income and no car payments. It seems ludicrous that my score can drop by 100 points over one or two minor things, when 10 years of spotless history seems to be ignored.

A: Credit scoring is far from perfect. It is based solely on what’s in your credit files at the big three credit bureaus. It does not include income, equity in your home or whether you have any car payments. “How reliably you repay creditors is a big factor in determining your FICO score,” says FICO’s Watts.

Remember, the computer models for scoring credit have no idea why something happened, only that it did. One little mistake, such as a late payment, can quickly drag down your score. As Greg McBride at Bankrate.com puts it, “Your credit score is much like a reputation – it’s easily damaged but takes much longer to restore.”

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Mark440

How come nobody wants to address the real issue? FICO is just some magical, secret number out there that everyone is trying to measure up to. It is the real life incarnation of the "carrot".

The REAL issue is the credit card itself. If you engage a "disaster recovery" strategy, you should have no more than 2 cards in your wallet or purse - and both should be at zero. Every once in a while you can buy a pack of gum to keep the cards active.

As for all the rest of those cards? Use your brain and stop letting fear rule your decisions! CLOSE EVERY CARD but the two. Then, use the snowball method to pay them all off.

Yes, you will see a short term impact to your FICO - but as long as you aren't buying a LARGE item (house, car, etc) then dump those accounts. You are paying very dearly to look cool with a fist full of cards.

Shift to the next gear and pay cash.

While Herb may think I am a fanatic - think about this: The rich man lords it over the poor, the borrower is the lender's slave.

There is ONLY one way to beat the credit card companies > don't use their service unless you unequivocally, absolutely, desperately have to.

As for the boys over at FICO, if the FICO score is so god-almighty powerful then they (FICO) should be forced to disclose this mathematical equation so that folks can see the impact BEFORE instead of AFTER they make a finance decision.

Just sign me:

Fed-up-with-credit-card-companies-who-change-the-rules-after-the-fact

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Reply#1 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT
Chuck412

Just so what we want and the credit people will do what they want. As a consumer we will never be able to win in any form when dealing with these people. The rules change faster than we can dial the phone to get or cancel a crdit card. Just ride it out or think about getting rid of the problem.

    Reply#2 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:23 AM EDT
    janejim

    Banks have huge debts, but they're getting a helping hand from the federal government. If you have overwhelming debt--perhaps from bad investments, or maybe a job loss, a medical crisis or just plain overspending--you're probably on your own. Check the website '>"> to see if they can help. I was also in trouble and I am glad I did check it before I talk to my CC company and it helped - Jane Jim, California

      Reply#3 - Mon May 4, 2009 6:31 AM EDT
      Elgog Partynipple

      Let's talk about the REAL problem with credit reporting. Over the last several years the credit reporting industry has become more efficient at reporting credit. Like any other vendor of products, they offer different rates for different purchasers. It is now incredibly easy to get a credit report by almost anyone. This has lead to many companies using credit reports as a way to "Rate" a customer.

      The biggest problems with credit reporting agencies is that they get paid to report your credit not to make sure it's accurate. This is why a new indstry has grown up selling you the ability to "Check your credit report". Many of these companies are the very reporting agencies that report your credit. So they have found that, not only is it profitable to sell your credit report, they can make money by leaving errors in your credit report so that you can pay to check your report and have errors removed. This alleviates them from the responsiblity of providing accurate credit reports. There is no law that states credit reporting must be accurate in any way. The only law is that the reporting agency must make an attempt, on your request, to fix inaccuracies.

      The fact that credit reports are inaccurate and so widley used to rate your ... whatever (!!!) has caused a crisis for consumers not unlike credit card companies have with thier fees and billing practices. This crisis is hidden because the laws and credit rating agencies have told you that it's your responsibility to see that your report contains no error. What kind of deal is that? What if your medical records contained inaccuracies like your credit report (and I'm not sure they don't!!)? The entire credit reporting structure of the American market need reform. Many people who claim there are errors on thier credit report never get the errors removed. The Governor of Texas was one such person. After years of notifying Trans Union that his credit report contained errors, Trans Union never fixed his report. Finally he introduced a bill in the state legislature to prevent Trans Union from doing business in Texas. Two things happened then. His credit report was fixed and the three main credit reporting agencies created a VIP list of reports that get extra scrutiny against errors.

      So now, members of Congress, State elected officials and celebrities have extra protection against errors in thier credit reports while the average person must pay monthly to sites like "Free Credit Report.Com" to track our reports.

      Again, the only reason credit reports are so widely used is because they are so cheap to use not because they are accurate. Also, while illegal to use as identification, your Social Security Number is used to track you through your entire life. This is what makes credit reporting so pervasive. They are the only industry that is allowed to use your SSN to identify you. Laws are in place that make it illegal for other organizations to track you that way.

        Reply#4 - Sat May 9, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
        Perplexed -1121056

        Wow, Am I glad I found this website.

        Watch out here comes the steam ~~~~~ I would seriously like to know where the people got the power to start tracking others peoples financial business and then turning around and broadcasting it to other and making decisions about their life based on their financial standing?!!! I must have been asleep at the switch when all of this was going on. Or raising babies ~ I remember hearing about RCA and the other one... But for them to gain so much power ~ Who voted that in? Or was it just a vigilante organization like the KKK ??? that slipped under the wires for a while. I'm thrilled to see others expressing their concern.

        I would like to know HOW TO GET THIS ORGANIZATION UNDER CONTROL AND TAKE AWAY SOME OF IT'S PERVASIVE POWER ~ ANY SUGGESTIONS?

          Reply#5 - Fri May 22, 2009 8:27 PM EDT
          jlsly7

          Before you write a story, you should know the rules. A BK stays on your credit report for 10 years now, not 7. It has been this way for at least 3 years.

            Reply#6 - Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:40 AM EDT
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