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Brian Williams: Enigmatic justice heads home

Fri May 1, 2009 4:00 AM EDT
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— NEW YORK - David Hackett Souter is not of this world. At least not the world many of us living in this nation's population centers experience on a daily basis in 2009.

His intellect is the stuff of folklore, and so is his personal life. He's been described as an almost Victorian figure, straining to maintain the lifestyle he prefers while the world changes around him. That he drives an automobile remains something of a wonder — his concession to changes in modern transportation — given that other aspects of his life and mindset seem borrowed from another century, and not the last one.

Souter was to President George H.W. Bush what Justice William Brennan was to President Eisenhower. Bush wanted a predictable conservative jurist without a paper trail. He got half of that, just as Ike did when trying to select a solid judge who agreed with his philosophy.

Immediately after his appointment to the court, those who ventured to Weare, New Hampshire in search of clues that would shed light on the nominee found a rather dark cabin filled with books. Stacks of them.

Peering through the windows as reporters do, they could not see a television inside the house. There wasn't one. There wasn't anything David Souter needed to know that he couldn't read about, or so the theory went.

Washington journalists, in requisite khakis and blazers, braved the blazing summer heat of New Hampshire to gather information on the taciturn, enigmatic, intellectual New Englander.

Hippie couple
Former high school classmates talked guardedly about their bookish, smart friend with the throwback charm. I was among those who read all of his available opinions to date back then, and I decided my favorite was the case, as I remember it, of the hippie couple who sued New Hampshire because they didn't feel they should be forced to ride around in their van fitted with license plates bearing the New Hampshire State slogan, "Live Free Or Die." They lost.

It didn't take long to realize President Bush had lost a big bet.

He'd been famously assured by then-Republican Senator John Sununu of New Hampshire that Souter would be a "home run" for the right, a lock-cinch, dependable Yankee conservative on the court. Souter morphed before their eyes into a Yankee liberal — or what passed for one, as the court was in the middle of a decided right turn during the Souter years. Bush's other pick, Clarence Thomas, did not disappoint.

Years later, Souter was reported to be profoundly disappointed at the Court's decision in Bush v. Gore, which effectively awarded the election to the son of the man who appointed him to the court. He was part of the four Justices in the minority.

During the Court term, Justice Souter works 12 hour days and lives in a small apartment not far from the Court. He has never liked the city.

For that matter, he's never been much for computers, cellphones or other trappings of modern life. He writes his opinions longhand, in fountain pen, as John Marshall did in the early days of the Republic.

Meantime, back in the electronic world of 2009 America, an internet headline on a major website, posted within hours of the first report that he was retiring, breathlessly and incorrectly reported that Souter's departure will lead to a "shakeup" on the court.

Because Souter must be considered a dependable member of the court's left-of-center minority, President Obama's choice to replace him will not amount to any sort of net gain for the left — nor would replacements for what are generally considered to be the next two justices to depart, Stevens and Ginsburg.

But the quiet man from New Hampshire has accomplished one thing with his planned departure: he's proven once again that attempts to predict the behavior of the court and its justices can be a dicey business.

Perhaps it all goes back to "Live Free Or Die." When David Souter aims his car north to his beloved New Hampshire at the end of the court term, he will be, entering his eighth decade, a free man.

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Lynn-807355

I think the coverage is mean spirited where it states that he is out of step with urban

America. Wouldnt it be nice if he were a male version of Nancy Pelosi or The Anointed One's white uncle who twitters and blogs just like The Anointed One.

  • 4 votes
#1 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:37 AM EDT
Elithian

This is a mean spirited post.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:57 AM EDT
_NH

Not nearly as mean spirited as Souter when he voted to hand over private property to government and corporations.

The man is a liberal and he better not plan to retire in NH.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:07 AM EDT
Bernie-548913

_NH: Your post sounds like a veiled threat!!! Your quote: "The man is a liberal and he better not plan to retire in NH." Don't be surprised if you get a knock on your door from federal law enforments!!!

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:36 AM EDT
madmaxine-888753

good riddance to Souter. How come dems never end up putting in closet conservatives anyway? Because they unashamedly look for liberal judges and have no problem with a litmus test, that is until it is a possible conservative judge. Obama won't get in anybody much worse. As has been noted, he was one that has now deemed your constitutional right to own property is not constitutional. A decision the court has no right to make! Judges have no authority to make law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That in itself is a violation of the constitution. This has been the way libs have gotten their agenda in, they can't get it done through the congress so impose it. What happens if that should backfire as it some day invariably will????? It is to all of us equally dangerous evil!!!!!!!!

    #1.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:43 AM EDT
    Bernie-548913

    madmaxime 888753: I think you need to use spell check--your spelling is very bad. While you are at it, take a class in English Grammar--you haven't made a coherent sentence in the entire post!! Get your GED first, learn how to use a dictionary if you know how to read and then take the classes. NOW you will be able to make an intelligent post!!!

    • 7 votes
    #1.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:50 AM EDT
    TheMadArabDeleted
    tom343

    Bernie- there are free processes on the web to translate your thoughts into English if you'd like them to be more widely read.

      #1.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:06 AM EDT
      I.M.Curious

      Hey Bernie,post your address so those folks can visit you too.

        #1.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:16 AM EDT
        Jeff-397806

        The Mad Arab....Your post needs to be deleted. It certainly violates newsvine standards and is bad taste.

        • 4 votes
        #1.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:40 AM EDT
        TheMadArabDeleted
        John Cook-401250

        NH, I'm calling the authorities today to warn them of your not-so-veiled threat against Supreme Court Justice Souter.   I won't live in a country where cowards  try to hide behind their secret identities to further their extremist agendas.

        • 3 votes
        #1.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
        John Cook-401250

        Fee Speech is one of our many personal freedoms in this country. But, free speech does not mean that one can say or write anything he wishes to without being responsible for damage done by those words. We are a country of laws, and people, there are laws against running your mouth in an irresponsible fashion. I am calling the authorities to investigate these postings. Enough is enough and it's time to clean up these idiotic blogs.

        • 3 votes
        #1.12 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:33 AM EDT
        Captain Marvelous

        Obama will replace this liberal with one of his communist buddies.

        I wonder who George Soros has in mind for Obama to appoint?

        • 2 votes
        #1.13 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:34 AM EDT
        John Cook-401250

        Mad Arab, I just love "cut and paste". Your inflamatory post is already on its way to the Attorney General's office.

        • 4 votes
        #1.14 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
        econaut-699709

        Has anyone seen more right-wing nut cases under one post?

        • 3 votes
        #1.15 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
        TheMadArabExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        Hey John, glad you like the cut and paste option there buddy :-) Can you cut and paste them a Plane Ticket too? Cuz Dubai is a LONG way from the US of A. Looks like you Fail MotherFiucker... And its an EPIC FAIL!!! Now Shut The Fiuck Up, goto your corner, and Taste The Fail... Thanks in advance...

        • 2 votes
        #1.16 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
        ragmop

        I did not find the article mean spirited. It pretty much hit the nail on the head. I now worry about Obamas next appointment. A liberal judge that will make rules from the bench and bypass the Constitution. I am a registered Democrat that has realized that my party has become dangerous to America the way we know it. It is quite obvious that Obama has no use for the Constitution of the United States.So when we become another Europe and have socialized medicine the Europeans and Canadians who come over here for our wonderful health care won't have a place to go. And we won't either.

        • 1 vote
        #1.17 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
        cmon-864012

        well we know his replacement will be a pc choice as opposed to the best for the job, so it'll be a black, handicapped lesbian.

        • 2 votes
        #1.18 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
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        oldpopulist

        History will rate this Justice who replaced a great Justice very highly.(Brennan) Justice SOuter deserves our gratitude..

        • 4 votes
        Reply#2 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:03 AM EDT
        oldpopulist

        THis Honorable Justice stood up to Attila the Scalia- HE will one of the outstanding Justices when history looks at him.. I do not understand however, teh "taking" decision.Overall he did Justice Brennan proud

        • 3 votes
        #2.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:23 AM EDT
        tom343

        Folks, although it is, SCOTUS is not supposed to be a political game. When an opinion is given, this opinion is published along with the dissents, and as long as there is a United States, these documents will be available.

        So when things don't go their way, adults don't say, "Since I lost, this man/woman is a sunofabitch!" They look at what was said, and say, "Since this was an invalid point in law, he/she blew it!" Or something on that order. There are shadings, omissions, selections, equivocations in these opinions, but it is not in the cards that the court will simply decide ahead of time and then toss up case law to back themselves up. Too many justices would hoot them out of DC.

        • 1 vote
        #2.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
        Obamasized

        I disagree tom: Gonzales v. Raiche came down with the conservative jurists on the side of home grown marijuana and the liberal jurists on the side of banning home grown hash.

        Why? Because of the preconceived beliefs held by the respective justices on the extent of the reach of the federal commerce power. Opinion was written to conform to these held notions. Same as Rowe, Casey, Fulmer, Skinner, you name it, although grounded on different doctrines and beliefs.

          #2.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
          tom343

          But, Mr Obamasized, that opinion seemed to at least be clothed in language that had to do with the interpretation of constitutional law; in this case the commerce clause.

          No one gets to be 40 or 50 without some preconceived notions, and if one is a lawyer or a judge, many of these notions would be about the law. And many preconceived notions naturally will have a legal bent. Every professional, engineer, doctor or lawyer looks over his peer's work and at times sneers at what he sees. Most of this thrash is academic and arcane and we don't see it or care to unless we are involved.

          I am addressing when the rather sorry likes of Charles Schumer applies a litmus test to a nominee; the test being that the candidate no way no how will entertain challenges to e.g., Roe V Wade. Schumer won't allow that most legal challenges that the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) gets involved with have some meat to them; else they'd not have gotten to SCOTUS to begin with. And the justices, all 9 of them have the singular role of deciding on the merits of each case based on constitutional or common law or accepted precedents, not on whether they think the country would have a fit.

          If the country cannot manage a SCOTUS decision, there is the amendment route, a route this nation has gone down often.

            #2.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:58 AM EDT
            oldefarte

            Souter is proof that lack of transparency can bite its practitioners - he was offered up by the Bush Admin as a "stealth candidate", but the real "stealth" was in his ability to hide the fact that his positions were utterly antithetical to those Bush was seeking to promote. He has not been a "leading light" of the Court, his opinions are pedestrian in their reasoning and style, and his legal conclusions are often quite objectionable to any fair minded person. He was a man who connived at sneaking onto the Court and his entire life reads like one long effort to obtain that position. His sole qualifications for the position were that John Sununu knew his name and nobody knew what or who he was. He won't be missed.

              #2.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
              Obamasized

              I'm not going to argue that it was clothed in theories on the reach of the commerce clause. However, that theory did guide the opinion along preconceived lines.

              Its funny you mention Schumer. I wrote him a letter regarding his questioning of Roberts during the confirmation hearings. None responsive response is what I got in return.

                #2.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
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                Mark-716287

                If we are lucky, when he gets back to New Hampshire his house will have been taken by the goverment and handed over to a group of Hippies wanting to build a pancake house. Justice Souter voted in favor of giving government the right to take your property and hand it over to private interests. Without a doubt that ruling was one of the most blatant violations of the 5th amendment

                • 2 votes
                Reply#3 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:08 AM EDT
                Elithian

                Fifth Ammendment?

                  #3.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:58 AM EDT
                  _NH

                  They are not "hippies", they are NH Conservatives and YES he is not welcome here and YES we will continue to try take his and Breyer's homes.

                  He made many bad votes not the least of which was Kelo vs New London

                  http://www.cnht.org/news/2009/05/01/will-souter-be-welcome-in-weare/

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:02 AM EDT
                  Bernie-548913

                  Mark 716287: You sound like a constitutional lawyer, which I doubt!!!

                    #3.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:38 AM EDT
                    tom343

                    And you can tell how? Either way?

                      #3.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:15 AM EDT
                      Go USA-851295

                      Yes. The 5th Amendment:

                      No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.[1]

                        #3.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
                        oldpopulist

                        What? How? Bernie===

                        • 1 vote
                        #3.6 - Sat May 2, 2009 2:52 AM EDT
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                        oldpopulist

                        I never understood how the Court reached that decision.. I understand eminent domain.. etc.. but I certainly failed to get that one..However I think he is an outstanding Justice anyway..

                        one item. Brain says Marshall used a fountain pen...did they have fountain pens at that time??

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#4 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:17 AM EDT
                        _NH

                        He is not even welcome in NH his home state.

                        http://www.cnht.org/news/2009/05/01/will-souter-be-welcome-in-weare/

                        • 2 votes
                        #4.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:03 AM EDT
                        Sheila-666015

                        I always felt that Justice Souter went by the letter of the law. The law was his life for the most part. He was beholden to no one especially in the case of Bush v. Gore. He earned the right to retire the way he served with no fanfare or second guessing. I live in Boston (his favorite city). Welcome home Justice Souter. We are grateful for your service to the country.

                        • 3 votes
                        #4.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
                        oldpopulist

                        You are exactly correct and he had the guts to stand up to Scalia. He will be considered one of the great Justices by history

                        • 2 votes
                        #4.3 - Sat May 2, 2009 2:49 AM EDT
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                        ronnie423

                        one good thing from George H.W. Bush

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#5 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:47 AM EDT
                        oldpopulist

                        Perhaps the only one

                        • 3 votes
                        #5.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:11 AM EDT
                        Jeff-397806

                        The only good thing George Bush did was to step down from the Office of the Presidency.

                        • 2 votes
                        #5.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:43 AM EDT
                        jeff kidd

                        step down? WTF

                          #5.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT
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                          Elithian

                          Fortunately we will not have another conservative DUBYA brand replacement. Unfortunately, while quotas are unconstitutional, it seems special interest groups think Obama has to fill them.

                            Reply#6 - Fri May 1, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
                            tom343
                            1. John Marshall never saw a fountain pen in his life.
                            2. It is as great a perversion of the system of checks and balances for Obama to try getting a lefty jurist as for Bush to have tried getting a righty.
                            3. They had fountain pens then in the manner as we have independent journalists now.
                              Reply#7 - Fri May 1, 2009 7:37 AM EDT
                              Elithian

                              I do not believe you are correct in stating this. It was Bush's right as the President to sellect his nominees and as President we all knew he would sellect conservatives whether we liked it or not. It was part of his ellection campaign promises. As for Obama, we expect no less; he will nominate individuals consistent with his politcal agenda.
                              What would be perverse is to nominate inferior quality jurists. Even so, it is up to the Senate to hold the President accountable if he attempts to do that as they held Bush accountable in the nomination of "what's her name". I expect Obama will nominate liberals with impeccable credentials and they will be approved on a fast track.

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:58 AM EDT
                              I.M.Curious

                              You know a liberal with impeccable credentials??Please,who is it???

                                #7.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
                                oldpopulist

                                there many sitting state and federal judges wihth impeccable credentials.. from which the President can choose..

                                • 2 votes
                                #7.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
                                tom343

                                The president, with the advise and consent of the Senate, is supposed to pick the best person for the job. The one he sees as best in delving the nuances of Constitutional law. Not someone expected to disallow this or ban that or overturn the other according to the silly whims of the president or his supporters. Lately, all the presidents appoint people they think will be their puppet, but it is almost an impeachable offense to try making the court an extension of some party or other, an influence that will last perhaps for decades.

                                Obama can nominate whoever he wants to and the Senate will undoubtedly confirm, since he owns the Senate. This habit of a disgusting-to-watch nauseating-to-hear Charles Schumer badgering these candidates about what we can assume they'd vote on is a disgrace to the Senate, but expected behavior from him, also a disgrace to the Senate. I cannot see why other congressmen, many of them decent enough folk, even talk to some of these underachievers, or for that matter, seat a murderer like Teddy. God help us all.

                                  #7.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
                                  tom343

                                  Yeah, like in the 9th, right?

                                    #7.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
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                                    dick-831219

                                    good riddance

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#8 - Fri May 1, 2009 7:52 AM EDT
                                    _NH

                                    I agree, one less liberal puke on the court.

                                      #8.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:05 AM EDT
                                      oldpopulist

                                      WHat well thought out insightful comments// Go rest your over worked brains if you have them

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:38 AM EDT
                                      Elithian

                                      Hmm,One less liberal Puke? Now just who do you think Obama is going to appoint, Newt Gingrich?

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #8.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:40 AM EDT
                                      oldpopulist

                                      I hear on Fix news it will be rush

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:25 AM EDT
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                                      Barry-1075982

                                      The U.S. Senator who convinced GHW Bush to appoint Justice Souter was Warren Rudman (R) of NH, not John Sununu. He was the Chief of Staff, and former NH Governor. His son, was the NH Senator who was recently defeated for re=election by now Senator and ex-Governor Jean Shaheen (D).

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#9 - Fri May 1, 2009 7:54 AM EDT
                                      qudrcps

                                      That's the problem with those darn New Englanders... They think for themselves, and don't need to self-engrandize themselves.

                                      He's probably the polar opposite of Scalia who can't resist not being in the limelight, which is very "unjudicial", and he (Scalia) and Roberts seem to be unable to recuse themselves from anything.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#10 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:10 AM EDT
                                      oldpopulist

                                      Excellent post you are right on the money...

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #10.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:13 AM EDT
                                      oldpopulist

                                      ANd fearless when need be.. such as Justice SOuter standing up to Attila the Scalia

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #10.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:33 AM EDT
                                      sncknbrg

                                      The notion that New Englanders "think for themselves" is laughable. New Englanders march in liberal lock-step more than most Americans. Even the New England conservatives (if there really are any) are unreliable and wishy-washy.

                                        #10.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:12 AM EDT
                                        tom343

                                        What about Souter and eminent domain? Unforgivable nonsense!

                                          #10.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:32 AM EDT
                                          Simple Jack

                                          So much for impeccable credentials.

                                            #10.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
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                                            Thewhiterabbit

                                            Sorry, but John Marshall did not write with a fountain pen. He wrote with a quill pen, most likely from a goose. He probably carried a pen knife to sharpen said quill pen. It is likely that Mr. Souter writes with a fountain pen and not a quill pen. You modern techno-geeks just can't get it right at all. Go fountain pens! Go quill pens! Go D. Souter, great stuff!

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#11 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:28 AM EDT
                                            oldpopulist

                                            I did not think there were fountain pens then.. exactly go Justice Souter....

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:35 AM EDT
                                            Elithian

                                            Now was Souter a righty of a lefty?

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #11.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:41 AM EDT
                                            oldpopulist

                                            ho ho.. I would bet a lefty...

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:57 AM EDT
                                            Elithian

                                            Leftys and fountain pens don't work too well.

                                              #11.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:59 AM EDT
                                              oldpopulist

                                              I had not thought of that.. Good for you.. And my sister is a lefty too... But he just seems like he might be...

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #11.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:05 AM EDT
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                                              Lynn-410457

                                              It will be interesting to see who is appointed, to fill his spot. I believe many conservatives and liberals might just be surprised. Souter has always appeared to be like the little boy in a stiff starched white shirt. Didn't like it and couldn't wait to take it off. I say, congratulations, you have spent your time, now retire and enjoy life.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              Reply#12 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:33 AM EDT
                                              Elithian

                                              There will be no surprises here, it will be a died-in-the-wool Democrat with a strong liberal bias who supports the Roe V. Wade decision.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #12.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:43 AM EDT
                                              oldpopulist

                                              Just like when Nixon nominated Justice Blackman who was a for sure anti abortion appointment.. friend of Burger.... heh,heh, heh,

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #12.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:59 AM EDT
                                              Elithian

                                              Yes, but Obama is a little sharper than Nixon and much more likely to get it right as he sees it. Everyone keeps underestimating Obama. You would think by now he would get some credit. Afterall, he is a black man who manged to get elected president; that is no small feat. He is becoming exactly what was predicted by the pundits; a transitional figure.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #12.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:03 AM EDT
                                              oldpopulist

                                              Are you trying to make me faint? What is with your intelligent thought out comments in this sound bite jungle?Enjoying your posts....DO oyu have an opinion who he might consider? what age do oyu think? Under 50? IF he will go to 60 I think there is a woman in the State of Washington on his list..Great currently sitting judge.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #12.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:08 AM EDT
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                                              cre0530

                                              Souter ranks right up there with Ginsburg as one of the worst supreme court justices in the courts history. Probably not his fault at his advanced age he probably developed an age related disease that caused him to act out of charachter my poor 86 yr old aunt has the same problem. Oh course he will be a hero to the liberals which proves he has a mental disorder.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#13 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:38 AM EDT
                                              Elithian

                                              This is a very unintelligent and ignorant post. It reflects no insight into the operations of the court and no appreciation for the independence of the court. Perhaps you could be kind enough to go back to whever it is you came from and develop some knowledge before you make additional posts.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #13.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:46 AM EDT
                                              oldpopulist

                                              RIght on Elithian although I do not know if we agree on much else....

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #13.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:00 AM EDT
                                              Elithian

                                              OP,
                                              You see, I am an old fashion conservative. Now if one examined that carefully one would know that a true conservative does not want government involved in their personal lives. They do not want government to tell what is sacred and what is not. They do not want to interfere in family matters or morality. A true conservative supports the rule of law, a balanced budget, an economy that offers opportunity for all, and guarantees the constitutional freedoms our founders proclaimed when this government was created.
                                              These new fashioned conservative do not respect the constitution. They only respect the rule of law when it serves their interest. They do not understand what it means to be "NOBLE". They do not feel they have a responsibilty to insure the welfare and common good through their actions. They are takers and have no give. They put personal interest above everything and have essentially ruined our economy and reputation throughout the world. Perhaps it will take someone like Obama to lead us into recovery but as you can see there are many determined to see he fails because they can not get away with their machinations and deceit under him.
                                              So, if you agree being Nobe is a good thing, obeying the rule law is critical and in staying out of peoples personal business then you are my kind of conservative. If being that way makes me a liberal in the minds of some I am ok with it.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #13.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
                                              oldpopulist

                                              WIll you please take charge of the GOP? WE need the loyal opposition.. so many of my dear GOP friends are so depressed.. they feel quite abandonned and feel their party of LIncoln has been kidnapped. I am actually probably what most consider a liberal.. however, our values are very similar. I love this country. the Constitution and the rule of law. I think Attila the Scalia is not an honorable Justice. He in fact is an activist.. not a strict constructionist as advertised,// I also do not object to paying taxes as I agree with..darn forgot his name.. " Paying taxes is the price of civilization."

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #13.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
                                              tom343

                                              Don't conservatives beleive a society is judged by how it defends members least able to defend themselve? This is the old 'when does life begin?' and 'right to privacy' saws. In my life as one who fathered a child that died in the womb, I know from the evidence on the screen that little kid was fully alive at 19 weeks. I also know the right to privacy is not in the constitution cause it doesn't say so and the right to arms is because it does say so.

                                                #13.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:38 AM EDT
                                                oldpopulist

                                                There was a great quote from HHH.. that we would be judged by how we treated the most vulnerable among us.. I cannot remember the exact quote anymore.. had a great influence on me..

                                                THere are freedoms and rights in the Bill of Rights which are not enumerated.. and the B of R states those are reserved to the states or to the people- if I remember correctly

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #13.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
                                                Elithian

                                                LIfe,Liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Tom, you have the read the founding father's original documents to fully appreciate what their mindset was. As for abortion, I can assure you that the founding fathers would have thought it rediculous to interfere in these profound but private matters. Many think abortion is a modern convention but it is not and only recently has society thought that others had a right to mandate what a woman did with her body in that regard. Life begings with breath and ends with the departure of breath.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #13.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT
                                                tom343

                                                There are many freedoms and rights that are not in the Bill of Rights and the rest of the constitution. Unless the places where these are to be found are in the scope of SCOTUS, it has no business with them! Do you want SCOTUS referencing the Bible? The UN? The Koran? The NOW charter? The NRA or HCI rules? I think grist for SCOTUS's mill is the constitution, accepted common law and relevant precedents. I am no constitutional scholar, so correct me if I err.

                                                  #13.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:09 PM EDT
                                                  Obamasized

                                                  Regardless of how our founders viewed abortion, one thing is certain, there is no reason that restrictions on this right should receive more scrutiny than restrictions on other rights.

                                                  Without even getting into a debate on whether or not there are such Constitutionally protected rights such as abortion, procreation, contraception, private education, marital relations, even if one does find these in the penumbra, they should not receive greater protection.

                                                  How, also, does one square the fact that there is no right to public education, yet there are penalties for not taking your kids to school, and Texas was told that it had to educate illegals and could not, essentially, deflect its illegal immigration problem on other states?

                                                    #13.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
                                                    tom343

                                                    Not a lawyer but...

                                                    Some say here abortion and all the personal sexual issues we seem to wallow in publicly these days are not in the constitution, and not a matter of Federal law. If so, then prithee, why didn't SCOTUS simply decline to hear Roe V Wade? Wasn't it of a subject matter out of its venue?

                                                    Because SCOTUS took the case when many, pro or con abortion fans in this forum agree that our sexual antics don't belong in SCOTUS's charter, its baliwick, whatever, many of us complained. We say that in deciding both to hear and offer an opinion that becomes law of the land re: Roe V Wade, SCOTUS made law, not its real constitutional role.

                                                      #13.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:09 PM EDT
                                                      Lynn-410457

                                                      Cre, He is one of the younger judges, when you look at Ginsburg and them.

                                                        #13.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 7:16 PM EDT
                                                        Obamasized

                                                        Tom:

                                                        You don't have to be a lawyer or have access to a law library to read the court material. You can find it online. As far as the Court hearing these cases? Personally, I think that is based on a couple of different theories. The issues you, and I, have mentioned come under substantive due process. That would be a good place to start looking.

                                                        For me, Souter is among the justices that see no problem in relying on things other than the text of the statute, and or Constitution, when deciding a case. Don't get me wrong, each justice, save perhaps Kennedy, is extremely intelligent. Kennedy is certainly intelligent, but not quite so much as his peers.

                                                        The debate is centered around the construction of the 14th Amendment

                                                        All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

                                                        Originally, this amendment was intended to provide for equal rights for african americans, naturalized people, or natural born. Clearly, the amendment states that these people are citizens, and that citizens shall not be treated differently by the states or unequally protected. The Court has since interpreted this to include those items I listed above, among others.

                                                        Abortion restirctions, it is said, violate this when they create an undue burden on the ability to obtain one. What is an undue burden? Almost anything, according to the Court. This doesn't even touch the round-a-bout manner in which jursidiction was obtained in rowe and casey. Which goes to your question of why the Court even heard the cases.

                                                        At an rate, substantive due process is here. Like it or not. What is most curious is that Souter is liberal and typically liberal jurist have no problem, again, looking to sources other than the text of the Constitution or statute in question, nor do they typically have a problem departing from case law and holdings. All of these things are considered judicial activism. When Roberts and Alito were in confirmation hearing, they were bombarded with questions centering on judicial activism dealing with Casey and Rowe. This is curious because, again typically, a conservative jurist will rely on the text of the Constitution or statute and honor previous holdings. Roberts and Alito are conservative.

                                                        The difference in theories is this. Scalia and Thomas rely on the text to find the intent and purpose of the statute. If it runs afoul of the Constitution, then it is struck down and the drafters of the text can cure by rewriting. Souter, and the like, look to things other than text like legislative history and bullet points, which are not part of the statute, and in some instances not even debated on the floor. So, there is more room to interpret the statute as they like it, rather than how it was intended.

                                                        Good and bad points with both theories, though I'd say that I'd rather have our legislature go back to the drawing board than have 9 people decide what our legislatures should have done or what they meant to do.

                                                        I'm obviously a nerd, but this stuff is interesting and, in my opinion, more useful later in life, unless you happen to be a in a math or science related field. Can't remember the last time I applied the ideal gas law, but I voted just last fall.

                                                          #13.12 - Sat May 2, 2009 4:35 PM EDT
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                                                          Elithian

                                                          This guy, posing as an Arab, surely should be expelled for this comment.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          Reply#15 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:05 AM EDT
                                                          TheMadArabDeleted
                                                          Elithian

                                                          Sheesh, you thik you are doing something here but I consider your threat worthless trash and meaningless dribble.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #15.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:20 AM EDT
                                                          TheMadArabDeleted
                                                          Elithian

                                                          Blah blah blah. boooring!

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #15.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:36 AM EDT
                                                          TheMadArabDeleted
                                                          tyler

                                                          Oh noes!! Expulsion of the account I created 2 minutes ago!! I think I'll go cry now while I take 2 minutes to make another one! WAAAAHHH!!! LOL join the FAIL club MotherFiucker... EPIC FAIL

                                                          Yeah. You do that, TheMadArab. It's two seconds to ban you, so ... Banned.

                                                          Try 4chan or something. Also, 'epic fail' was played out three years ago. The least you could do is be current.

                                                          ...

                                                          14 deleted, Bernie-548913 with a personal attack followed by TheMadArab clumsily trolling about.

                                                          • 5 votes
                                                          #15.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
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                                                          michael-838559

                                                          David Souter made this NH born and raised citizen proud to be from NH. He actually thought for himself before he made decisions. He didn't follow someone else's rigid philosophy. His opinions were intelligent, well reasoned, and coherent. I'm sorry he's retiring but happy for him and wish him well. I hope that all the folks that write lengthy nasty pseudo-analyses David Souter write even lengthier posts because they cause less harm to our country when they stay in front of their computers writing gibberish. Live Free or Die. 

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          Reply#16 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
                                                          oldpopulist

                                                          Good idea....Outstanding Justice....

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #16.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
                                                          TheMadArabDeleted
                                                          tom343

                                                          Only problem is the fruit of his lucid, measured intelligent thoughts were mostly wrong.

                                                            #16.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
                                                            TheMadArabDeleted
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                                                            ultracon2009Deleted
                                                            larlex

                                                            souter was recommended by John Sunnunu the father not the son who was chief of staff for Bush the elder. Rudman was in on it also but Sunnunu blew it and gave the father bad advice on Souter. I am glad Souter is gone. Obama can pick someone worse like Cass Sunstein or Deval Patrick.

                                                              Reply#18 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:40 AM EDT
                                                              ultracon2009Deleted
                                                              Obamasized

                                                              Yes Ultracon

                                                                #18.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:08 PM EDT
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                                                                tom frisby

                                                                God Bless Souter's independence. Isn't that one of the underlying greatnesses of America, freedom of individual thought and freedom of expression/

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                Reply#19 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:46 AM EDT
                                                                ultracon2009Deleted
                                                                JesusHatesGOPDeleted
                                                                tom343

                                                                Wow! One Senate, one court, one feurher! Our dreams havee come true! Seig heil, seig heil, seig heil!!

                                                                Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
                                                                SA marschiert mit mutig-festem Schritt.
                                                                Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
                                                                Marschier'n im Geist in uns'ren Reihen mit.

                                                                Sometimes, the worst thing happen when you get what you hope for

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                Reply#22 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT
                                                                John Cook-401250

                                                                Oh please.....like the Republicans have never had it all their way. This country needs a break and a breath of fresh air. Turn the page. It's a new day.

                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                #22.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:54 AM EDT
                                                                bcarr22

                                                                Yeah, but isn't hope and change GREAT! I'm so happy everything is FIXED. No more problems, no more stress. I don't have to worry about putting gas in my car or paying my mortgage. The Chosen One will take care of me.

                                                                BC in CA

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #22.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:55 AM EDT
                                                                TheMadArabDeleted
                                                                John Cook-401250

                                                                You're wrong. I just received confirmation of receipt of my email to the AG office. Just how do you think that any investigation begins? You will be held responsible for what you've done here today.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #22.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
                                                                TheMadArabDeleted
                                                                John Cook-401250

                                                                OK, my excuse for "wasting" my time is that I'm stuck in a wheel chair with MS and so bored that I try to pass time on these blogs. You can be where ever you say you are, but your character will follow you there. Either in your mind or in the real world, you are the real loser here and you know it. That kind of vile excessive rage you spew forth isso easy to diagnosis. The world has passed you by and you feel entitled to be as horrible as you please. You're only hurting yourself. Nobody here takes you seriously. As for the AG's office, they may or may not be interested in your case. I'll let them decide that.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #22.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:49 AM EDT
                                                                TheMadArabDeleted
                                                                John Cook-401250

                                                                The very fact that you keep running your mouth lets me know I struck a nerve. My life is diminished, but it still has some value. Clearly, yours does not.

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                #22.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT
                                                                John Cook-401250

                                                                This is just a post script on the rather heated exchange that "The Mad Arab" and I engaged in today.

                                                                I would personally like to see some form of police function on this blog. The profanity and vulgarity is really out of hand and so offensive.

                                                                I think it's kinda funny that his portion of the dialog was deleted. I wish I knew if it was the blog that censored him or if he became embarrassed by his juvenile rants and pulled them himself.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #22.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
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                                                                bcarr22

                                                                Unbelieveable.

                                                                That's the only accurate word to use in describing this story. And Souter's career on the bench.

                                                                It was only fitting that, after deciding that the government has the right to take your property if another individual has a better use for it, a move was made to take his New Hampshire home and build low income housing in its place. Fitting tribute to the Justice who can't see beyond his own nose, has forgotten about the very Constitution that allows him to serve.

                                                                It would only be fitting that the liberal the Chosen One appoints as a replacement would turn his back on his own liberal principals as swiftly as Souter turned his back on his conservative principals upon reaching the high court. Souter may lead a backward lifestyle, eschewing any shred of technology. But, he is not backward enough to take so much as a casual glance at the Constitution. As far as he's concerned, that old fashioned and out of date document was shredded long ago.

                                                                Good riddance!

                                                                BC in CA

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                Reply#23 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:52 AM EDT
                                                                Elithian

                                                                Yes, now Obama will replace him with a real liberal.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #23.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
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                                                                Go USA-851295

                                                                Thank you Justice Souter for your service to our country. While I do not share your politics, I do recognize and appreciate that you have served our country with dignity and honor.

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                Reply#24 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:09 AM EDT
                                                                nmbg

                                                                Brian Williams is a buffoon who's desperately seeking to regain relevance for himself and his tabloid network after they effectively led the charge to destroy the once-respected world of journalism which, thanks to them, will never be trusted following the last election. Dismal ratings and looming bankruptcy have the left wing media establishment scraping the bottom of the bottom for ratings and readership.

                                                                David Hackett Souter is not of this world. At least not the world many of us living in this nation's population centers experience on a daily basis in 2009.

                                                                This clown is playing blatantly biased class warfare, plain and simple.

                                                                Besides, and perhaps more importantly, this is old news, Brian Williams. What's your point, and who gives a crap?

                                                                  Reply#25 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
                                                                  Mr. Bob Dobolina

                                                                  After eight long years of right-wing (mis)rule, it warms my heart to see the conservative agenda evaporating into thin air. Not only will Souter be replaced by a left of center candidate, there are likely more vacancies coming.

                                                                  The other fun story this week was one of their own (Specter) jumping ship. Even he couldn't stand the Texas mafia running the Republican party. Oh, and btw, there may be more defectors coming. I can only hope that the Repubs move further to the right in their effort to 'purify' the party of moderate riff-raff. With a little luck, they'll rally to Palin and Joe the Plumber in '08. I used to think they would be SOL for the next 8 years. Now I think it will be at least 12--and maybe 16--before anyone pays attention to their bankrupt ideas again. It is, and will continue to be, the party of old, small-minded, rascist, paranoid crackers. (Heartwarming statistic--average age of conservative talk radio listeners: 67).

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  Reply#26 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
                                                                  nmbg

                                                                  Enjoy it while you can, Mr. Bob, because it won't last long. In the ebb and flow of politics, radicalism, be it left or right, is always tempered by public backlash. Fortunately, the good people of the USA aren't nearly the hard left radicals that the current administration is.

                                                                  As for Specter, the Democratic party is filled with its own Specters. As I said before, those are the ones you lefties have to look out for, not the right, and those are the ones who do your party in every time. The rest of us will just sit back and enjoy the spectacle and the carnage.

                                                                    #26.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
                                                                    Mr. Bob Dobolina

                                                                    ngmb

                                                                    Give me a call, pal, when you hear a new idea from the Republicans. I'll be waiting by the phone.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #26.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:35 PM EDT
                                                                    nmbg

                                                                    I'll give you a call next year after the congressional balance is tipped the right way.

                                                                      #26.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:49 PM EDT
                                                                      Mr. Bob Dobolina

                                                                      Yes, you do that. And, btw, if things don't go your way in '10, call me in a decade.

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      #26.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:10 PM EDT
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                                                                      tom343

                                                                      Hey what happened to Obama's mSNBC ratings? When a forum gets > 320K hits, isn't the results news itself?

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      Reply#27 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT
                                                                      John Lawrence-371945

                                                                      I need to know something.

                                                                      Where do I belong?

                                                                      I am searching for a place to work with people who hold to three major overriding values.

                                                                      1. Conservative Economically
                                                                        • No Bailouts
                                                                        • Lower Taxes
                                                                        • Free Market Economy
                                                                      2. Conservative Socially
                                                                        • Pro-Life
                                                                        • Pro-Traditional Marriage
                                                                        • Pro-Family
                                                                        • Pro-Law Enforcement
                                                                      3. Strong National Security
                                                                        • Strong military
                                                                        • Strong Border Security

                                                                      Over the past few weeks Liberal Newsmen and commentators have been telling Americans what the Republican Party needs to do to survive in America today.

                                                                      Would the Democratic Party go to Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh to find out what they needed to do to survive if they were in the Republicans place?

                                                                      NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                      Liberal and Moderate republicans are going out and saying we need a "bigger tent."

                                                                      Our tent is plenty large for anyone who holds to these Three core values which define mroe people in America than those in Washington D.C., New York, or Los Angeles would ever care to admit.

                                                                      We do need to shed a few more people from our number though.

                                                                      1. Racist need to find Christ or find the road away from the republican party.
                                                                      2. Those elected officials who wait to find out what the talking heads on television and radio think before they take a stand need to find a back bone or slither away.
                                                                      3. Bigots of any kind need to get a life. (I write this knowing there will be people who call me a bigot because I am pro-life and against gay marriage but those are my religious and moral beliefs and does not mean that I do not respect those on opposing sides of these issues but I cannot vote for them into office like many of you could not vote for a pro-life candidate or someone who feels the way I do on marriage (except you did vote for Obama on this issue he agrees with me on.))

                                                                      Where do I belong?

                                                                      Where do you belong?

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      Reply#28 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
                                                                      Elithian

                                                                      Not with you.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #28.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:21 PM EDT
                                                                      nmbg

                                                                      Ironically enough, this is what the majority of Americans want. Unfortunately, however, the definitions of liberal and conservative have morphed in recent years, primarily due to the onslaught of left wing media distortions, which represent the biggest and loudest voice out there. As a result, all too many people align themselves with the hardliners on either side without recognizing a more moderate core within themselves.

                                                                        #28.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
                                                                        John Cook-401250

                                                                        John, the Republican Party has to change or it will simply go away. I'm not a total Democrat. I have often voted for individuals running on the Republican ticket, but I can no longer do that. Your party has been over run with an undesirable element that most folks just can't stand. Your religious faith should counsel you on what you do with your life. It should not be voted into law and enforced upon others who do not believe as you do. I will never understand how extending rights and privileges to legal, law-abiding citizens will somehow infringe upon your own rights. I just don't get that one. And, while I'm on the subject, why do you get to pick and choose which fundamental rules and dictates from the Bible should be observed. If you eat shrimp you're committing an "abomination". For that matter any shell fish will send you to hell on that count. How can you expect others to take your arguments seriously? More to the point, how can you ask us to excuse your own brand of bigotry just because you wrap it up in your version of religion? You want to claim the "high road" on these matters and you are no different from the rest of your tribe. Independent swing voters have seen enough and we have made up our minds. Your fundamentalist religious support is the very thing that has destroyed the Republican Party and that's a real shame because it used to stand for some very real American values, not selfish bigoted ones.

                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                        #28.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:43 PM EDT
                                                                        palinthejoke

                                                                        John, you belong in fascist-fantasy land.

                                                                          #28.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
                                                                          John Lawrence-371945

                                                                          No you are the joke.

                                                                          You run more people away from your side by your name calling.

                                                                          This country was created on the same values I have stated.

                                                                          It is time we did go back to the values that made this country great.

                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                          #28.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:32 PM EDT
                                                                          John Cook-401250

                                                                          OK, let's take our social discourse back to the 40's, 50's, 60's, even the 70's. I so well remember the day when it was just plain rude to openly discuss your personal religious convictions. It was fine to talk about the laws of this country and how they were enforced, but try to pull a holier than thou approach on someone and they automatically considered you a nut job or poor, uneducated trash. I long for those times. I think our social discourse was much more civilized and meaningful. Just look at how all of us get lower and lower on these blogs. I'm turning my little boat around today.

                                                                          • 4 votes
                                                                          #28.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
                                                                          Jo-369192

                                                                          John you are correct there are just many things that should be left in the bedroom, at the pulpit, or discussed with your medical professional. I for one don't give a rats petute what one does in their personal life. Nor, is it anyone's business what I do in mine.

                                                                          Once I was a republican but I'd had enough of the righteous preaching. I don't believe in organized religion. In it's own way it interferes in our lives like big government.

                                                                          I can't be a liberal, I work too hard and I'm taxed too much to not be concerned or angry when their righteousness wants dictate that it should go to their causes; two being indigents and illegals. I am anti big government meddling in my life.

                                                                          The 10 Commandments are simple and good concepts whether you believe in God or not.The Constitution is simple and straight forward. But, the lawyers/politicians want to obfuscate the content.

                                                                          So for sometime I have considered myself a Heretic and a Constitutionalist. We need a multiple party system the choices we have now are antiquated and they aren't working for Americans.

                                                                          I think that is where Judge Souter has been coming from. He is an individual, agree with him or not. I learned a long time ago if two of you always agree one of you isn't necessary. Call me a radical, I'm in good company, our forefathers were also considered radicals at one time.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #28.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:01 PM EDT
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                                                                          nytsucks

                                                                          We will go from bad to worse, now we will have another ultra liberal judge who can't figure out how to pay his taxes. I bet brian williams is having an orgasm over this

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          Reply#29 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:15 PM EDT
                                                                          Elithian

                                                                          It is too bad these blogs are dominated by extremist that prevent any real dialouge from occuring that might lead to some useful insights.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #29.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:23 PM EDT
                                                                          nmbg

                                                                          It takes one to know one.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #29.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:32 PM EDT
                                                                          toni-445883

                                                                          I like how the new code name for average americans who care about their country is "extremist". HA! you make me laugh! What is bill ayers????

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #29.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:47 PM EDT
                                                                          Elithian

                                                                          Apparently you just write on these blogs but fail to read. If you read you would notice insults flying back and forth regarding anything but the issues. Sooner or later it becomes an insult fest for the Right versus the Left. Perhaps you should reread some of them, or maybe, read them for the first time. For example, the opening post for this microthread.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #29.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
                                                                          nmbg

                                                                          Obviously, the majority of Newvine posters don't fall under the umbrella of intelligentsia, but that doesn't make it any less fun!

                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                          #29.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:59 PM EDT
                                                                          Elithian

                                                                          Actually, it is disappointing at times because it represent the zietgiest of the times. These are not people interested in the common good. For years, the decline has been evident but idealouges have highjacked the politcal parties and the media. The common citizen has no reliable resource to inform them regarding the democratic issues and process. We are not well informed as a whole and therefore unable to render a responsible response ( vote) .

                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                          #29.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT
                                                                          John Cook-401250

                                                                          One of the best sources for unbiased information on candidates for all major elections is The League of Women Voters.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #29.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
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