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Amid swine flu outbreak, racism goes viral

Fri May 1, 2009 8:22 AM EDT
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— “No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!” conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu. “And that starts in the restaurants" where he said, you “don’t know if they wipe their behinds with their hands!”

And Thursday, Boston talk radio host Jay Severin was suspended after calling Mexican immigrants "criminalians" during a discussion of swine flu and saying that emergency rooms had become "essentially condos for Mexicans."

That’s tepid compared to some of the xenophobic reactions spreading like an emerging virus across the Internet. “This disgusting blight is because MEXICANS ARE PIGS!” an anonymous poster ranted on the “prison planet” forum, part of radio host and columnist Alex Jones’ Web site.

There is even talk of conspiracy. Savage speculated that terrorists are using Mexican immigrants as walking germ warfare weapons. “It would be easy,” he said, “to bring an altered virus into Mexico, put it in the general population, and have them march across the border.”

As more than 140 cases of H1N1 virus, known as swine flu, have been confirmed across the United States — from San Diego to New York City — the growing public health concern has also exposed fear and hate.

Fear and blame are counterproductive and even dangerous in any disease outbreak because the more stigmatized any group feels, the more reluctant people in that group may be to seek medical care. That only helps propagate the disease.

The attempt to scapegoat Mexicans, immigrants and Hispanic Americans is no surprise to Latino rights groups, who are now mobilizing a countereffort.

‘Ignorant beyond the pale’
Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, called such comments “racist and ignorant beyond the pale … these so-called commentators shame themselves turning public health concerns into an immigrant bashing fest.”

“What we have seen is that the anti-immigrant groups are using this to shamelessly to promote their agenda,” said Liany Arroyo, director of the Institute for Hispanic Health at the National Council of La Raza.

While the war of words is mainly between the conservative commentariat and Latino advocacy groups, individual Mexican-Americas are beginning to worry.

“Our people are calling us and they are concerned,” said Florencia Velasco Fortner, chief executive officer of
Dallas Consilio of Hispanic Organizations, an umbrella of affiliated service groups. “Even our staff members are starting to get a little discouraged. There was anti-immigrant sentiment prior to this and this adds fuel to the fire.”

The Consilio has mounted its own education campaign to teach Dallas-area Hispanic audiences proper disease prevention and hygiene techniques. Because many are uninsured and may avoid seeking medical care, the Consilio is also helping them find non-profit clinics and encouraging them to visit these immediately if they develop symptoms rather than waiting until they are severely ill.

As swine flu fears have spread, the backlash has also affected some Mexican restaurants’ business, possibly fueled by disparaging comments like those of Savage questioning the hygiene of workers.

Jennifer Pesqueira, whose family has owned and operated El Indio Mexican restaurants in San Diego since 1940, said her business has seen a 20 percent drop in business since the outbreak began.

Activist groups have advised their communities to be aware and on guard. “Board members put an alert out,” said Jan Hanvik, executive director of Clemente Soto Velez Cultural and Educational Center in New York. “It was a heads up, saying ‘pay attention.’ ”

Blaming ‘the other’
Fearmongering and blame are almost a natural part of infectious disease epidemics, experts say.

“This is a pattern we see again and again,” said Amy Fairchild, chair of sociomedical sciences at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health in New York City. “It’s ‘the other,’ the group not seen as part of the nation, the one who threatens it in some way that gets blamed for the disease.”

Often, a disease outbreak is an excuse to vent pre-existing prejudices. “It’s fear of people we do not know or who look different,” said Dr. Howard Markel, a medical historian at the University of Michigan and author of “When Germs Travel: Six Major Epidemics That Have Invaded America Since 1900 and the Fears They Have Unleashed.” “You take the fear of the unknown that already exists and then combine that with a real or perceived threat that is contagious disease and it’s explosive.”

During the medieval Black Plague, Europeans blamed Jews, saying they poisoned the wells. In an 1892 cholera pandemic, the U.S. blamed immigrant European Jews. In the flu of 1918, Markel said, “Italians blamed the Spanish. The Spanish blamed the Italians. For HIV it was gay men and Haitians.”

Americans “have a history of trying to keep ourselves ‘pure,’ ” Fairchild explained. “You saw it after the Civil War when slaves were denied citizenship, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when we were alarmed over southern and eastern European immigrants. There were fears that they would pollute America’s germ plasm, make us a weak nation of imbeciles.”

Americans have time and again responded to emergencies by clamoring to shut the borders and pull up the bridges.

“I’ve blogged for years about the spread of contagious diseases from around the world into the U.S. as a result of uncontrolled immigration,” conservative columnist Michelle Malkin wrote on her Web site. “9/11 didn’t convince the open-borders zealots to put down their race cards and confront reality. Maybe the threat of their sons or daughters contracting a deadly virus spread from south of the border to their Manhattan prep schools will.” (The cluster of New York school students who first contracted H1N1 brought the virus back from Mexico. The school is in Queens.)

“People who do not really know anything are creating ideas that don’t really exist,” said Sergio Ornelas, owner of a bi-national publishing and advertising business in El Paso. “I am worried these kinds of articles and comments might create panic.”

Fighting racism with information
Blame-the-victim reactions can be fought with clear, accurate information about the disease and about how it is spreading, said Dr. Larry Kline, a San Diego physician and member of the United States-Mexico Border Health Commission. “People get snippets of information here and there, and unfortunately much of it is inaccurate. That makes things ripe for blame and blame and fear never helped anybody.”

Tamping down blame and fear isn’t just the right thing to do morally, experts agree, it’s also the right thing to do medically. Germs, Markel stressed, don’t care about skin color or national origins or borders.

“These are naturally occurring events,” he said. “We expect flu pandemics every 30 to 40 years. It’s the cost of living in a world of emerging infectious diseases. That’s the folly of prejudice. They are wherever humans are.”

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EW-803686

These are people who take advantage of freedom of speech. They use the same Nazi tactics as used against the Jews. There are plenty of ignorant followers too, they just feed each other.

  • 73 votes
#1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:27 AM EDT
George Orwell-838902Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Are you seriously criticizing freedom of speech. Take your shot, drink your KoolAid and go down their to take your "shower." Don't buy in to this bs msnbc is shovel feeding the public...Ill just leave it at that.

When I looked at the title of this I knew they were going to have something about Alex Jones. It wasnt even something he said, it was something someone said in the comment section of his website. Anybody can say anything on there.

I see theyre going after him primetime now. Keep doing your thing Alex Jones. Hes the only one who has been consistently correct his 14+ years on radio. Its ridiculous that they would try and associate him w/ someones racist remarks. I guess they don't realize theyre just increasing his audience.

Alex Jones is the man! Visit his website Infowars .com and Prisonplanet .com if you want to know whats in store for America and how to prepare!

Hooray Alex Jones!

  • 70 votes
#1.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
Bev-341827

THE below is the pot calling the kettle white: Sorry - I can't get the quote feature to go away. LA RAZA = HISPANIC KKK

'Ignorant beyond the pale'
Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, called such comments "racist and ignorant beyond the pale …

"What we have seen is that the anti-immigrant groups are using this to shamelessly to promote their agenda," said Liany Arroyo, director of the Institute for Hispanic Health at the National Council of La Raza.


  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
CitizenAl

People should go to and look for the "racist" remarks. Listen to Alex Jones and look for his "racist remarks and see what happens. Please, mainstream media, tell the truth already. You're making fools out of yourselves.

    #1.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:05 AM EDT
    Munsta BoyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Well you don't realize how true the statement is about terrorist spreading flu among illegal immigrants coming over into America. It makes logical sense that if you can't get in, have someone go in for you. Wake UP. Its no different than a teen wanting beer from a convience store. Give someone more money to get the beer for you and no questions asked. Secretly this is too easy for a terrorist group to do with a flu virus. Too easy. So here we are being attacked right under our noses and all the nations that participated in the war in Iraq and Afganistan are ill will this virus. Get a clue. Trojan horse taught you Americans nothing? Come on! How naive of you all. You send your kids on spring break from states far away deep U.S. territory, easy pickings for terrorist. You just walk up to them, introduce yourself as a guide for a tour and one shake of the hand is all it takes. How ignorant of you.

    • 32 votes
    #1.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:05 AM EDT
    Bev-341827

    Oh and La Raza KKK Liany Arroyo - It's anti ILLEGAL immigrant not anti-immigrant. Usual manipulative BS.

    Report employers of illegals www.wehirealiens.com (we hire aliens)

    • 76 votes
    #1.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT
    Kevin-348069

    What is it that you do not understand about "ILLEGAL"? These folks are here illegally! Pointing out this fact is not racist! It is speaking the truth, which alot of folks these days are afraid to hear. People like you are going to be the ruination of our country.

    • 94 votes
    #1.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
    E EscobarExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    It's racism pure and simple. I've read so many bad comments based solely on hate and not simple biology. I must say, it's very refreshing to see racism for it's visible and audible ugliness and not covered up under the veil of something nicer to look at.

    I still have many questions about Smithfield Foods, Inc. based in Viriginia and their pig farming techniques that were controversial in the Carolinas and were located near Patient #1 in Veracruz. I'm waiting for the Scientist reviews on these particular pig farming practices which were very controversal and caused local health problems. This isn't about blame, it's about finding out how this Flu began and how to help prevent it in the future.

    Jesus was an illegal alien, what would some of these people have done to him?

    • 39 votes
    #1.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:14 AM EDT
    George-St. Petersburg, FL.Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    They are currently ILLEGAL but if MSNBC and the current Admin have anything to say about it, all 12 million will be legal before the 2012 election. They had to quote a blog post as one of 3 occurrences of "RACISM". That's digging pretty deep to substantiate their "News article" Pathetic.....

    • 48 votes
    #1.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
    ohiogal-479871

    "? These folks are here illegally! Pointing out this fact is not racist!

    Of course that isn't racist.

    However saying that the flu is being spread because someone is illegal is racist. Or at least xenophobic. esp considering they are finding out that the virus may be spreading because of americans. oops.

    I know a lot of people don't believe in that thing called science, but i can assure any one out there, that viruses don't pick people based on citizenship and a closed border means nothing when viruses can hop on birds, insects, or rodants and get carried back and forth.

    • 49 votes
    #1.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
    arebrownDeleted
    Anon87

    Kevin, point taken, however, this isn't about who is legal or illegal. It's about the hate-mongering and racism that is emerging before our very eyes. What part of that don't you understand? If this was an illegal issue, then hispanics as a whole wouldn't be the only ones to blame or generalized seeing as there are different ethnicities and races as illegals here on the US.

    • 27 votes
    #1.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
    BenCTExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Whosoever diggeth a pit shall fall into it.

    Some of you have shown your true colors this past week, and they are not Red, White, and Blue. This is a plague, a virus for which there is no cure. Now is the time to turn to God.

    You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself.

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto yourselves.

    I no longer believe in the "Religious Right." You do no know GOD, and GOD does not know you. I fear for America if there ever would be a "Jewish virus" GOD forbid.

    "I shall bless those that bless thee, and curse those that curse thee."

    Remember the Egyptians! And the Germans!

    Beware, many Hispanics are very devout, and they suffer, and pray for relief. Same goes for Muslims. Whose prayers do you think will be heard? GOD save America.

    • 17 votes
    #1.12 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
    fire-them-all

    It is people like you and the author who are using disinformation and psychological warfare on America, calling invaders something gentle like immigrants. What an insult to everyone who came here legally, like my parents!

    Over 20 million (Not counting the millions who received amnesty) have forcibly crossed our boarders. By any dictionary that is defined as an invasion and if you check the history books you will see there has never before been an invasion of this size. Don't let yourself be fooled by the bleeding heart rhetoric. "There here to do jobs that Americans don't want". Since when is construction a job Americans don't want! In my city construction wages are down about 35% and the vast majority of the workers are illegals! I know this because I'm in the office and see the under the table dealings regarding forged ID.

    Just look at some of the comments on this page.

    JM387

    130 people out of 250 million....oooooooh I'm scared! Get a LIFE America

    Really? 130 illegals? I think we need to check your count rain man!

    yomomma-778023

    this sort of thing drives me nuts. We have racist people with a forum, ie: radio/newspaper/internet, just itching to incite and inflame... and WAY TOO MANY stupid people willing to listen and follow.

    Note the automatic accusation of racism! So if someone who was other than white broke into my house, I couldn't file a criminal complaint because that would be racist? Really? This is the favorite tactic of the pro reconquista's.
    Of course we can't forget my comment host!

    EW-803686

    These are people who take advantage of freedom of speech. They use the same Nazi tactics as used against the Jews. There are plenty of ignorant followers too, they just feed each other.

    My day is just not complete until a reconquistador has called me a Nazi! My parents grew up under the nightmare of Nazi occupation and I grew up on a constant diet of those stories and lessons that were learned from it. Some how I don't think you quite have a full grasp of the gravity of what you are saying but say them you will, because after all It's not who is right but who says what they say, with the most conviction who wins.
    Furthermore "There are plenty of ignorant followers too, they just feed each other." You wouldn't happen to have a mirror would you?
    Study the fall of the Roman Empire and you will see America's current events. It will send cold chills down your spine. Wake up America! This is not the first time a small country conquered a Continent first by subterfuge then buy brutal force. Germany, Russia and Japan just in the last century! This century expect Latin America to take North America (Reconquista, a final solution), China to take over East Asia, Iran to take over the Middle East, Russia to reconquer and revitalize the former Soviet Empire and perhaps go after Europe. Oh yes I forgot Africa. Expect Africa to destroy itself as it has been doing with genocidal civil wars and all the horrific baggage that comes with it.

    • 29 votes
    #1.13 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:27 AM EDT
    metalfairy

    I think in all reality we should shut border's down period! Immigrants come over here and take our jobs, then give us these sicknesses. Bring our jobs back over here, ship them back over there, and just be done with the whole thing. These people come from different countries where they have different morals and everything else. They don't want to learn our language but they want us to learn theirs and all while they are getting us sick and taking over everything else that we have. Ship them back to where they came from. And when I say immigrants to make myself clear I'm not just talking about the Mexicans....I'm saying ALL OF THEM!

    • 37 votes
    #1.14 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:33 AM EDT
    Bev-341827

    There is NOTHING more obnoxious than those who try to use GOD to manipulate. "Believe what I believe or you're doomed to hell":

    Whosoever diggeth a pit shall fall into it.

    Some of you have shown your true colors this past week, and they are not Red, White, and Blue. This is a plague, a virus for which there is no cure. Now is the time to turn to God.

    You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself.

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto yourselves.

    I no longer believe in the "Religious Right." You do no know GOD, and GOD does not know you. I fear for America if there ever would be a "Jewish virus" GOD forbid.

    "I shall bless those that bless thee, and curse those that curse thee."

    Remember the Egyptians! And the Germans!

    Beware, many Hispanics are very devout, and they suffer, and pray for relief. Same goes for Muslims. Whose prayers do you think will be heard? GOD save America.

    • 19 votes
    #1.15 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
    gary allison

    This makes me laugh and it makes me cringe. In an article that reports conservative talk radio shows are taking the opportunity to communicate racism against Hispanics by using the swine flu scare, MSNBC prints the term anti-immigration! While I disagree with placing a red letter on Hispanics because of the swine flu, I also disagree with the notion that conservatives are anti-immigration. They are not anti-immigration. They are anti-illegal immigration! This is a huge difference that the pro-free for all open border advocates fail to address or recognize.

    • 54 votes
    #1.16 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:38 AM EDT
    GOZO-unlimited

    The swine flu outbreak is certainly suspicious.....it started in the US with infection first realized in an infectious disease lab worker but rather than reporting the truth those responsible prefer to point their finger at Mexico. Lets put the blame where it belongs and realize that we are all at risk of being used by a corrupt system. The US stock pile of antivirals is going stale and needs to be consumed.....so....

    • 8 votes
    #1.17 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:43 AM EDT
    kscolorado

    1. Is Cuba racist for banning flights of fellow Hispanics from Mexico??? NO, it's public health and quarantine of an unknown virus.

    2. Amy from New York: of course Mexicans are being targeted as cause. That is where the virus has been shown to have originated, and students from New York even brought this virus back to New York. No prejudice, just common sense.

    3. E Escobar, you yourself seem to be mixed up...no question that some comments may be racist, but 1) pointing out where the virus comes from is not racist; 2) pointing out that we have a huge amount of illegal lawbreakers (contrary to Janet Napolitano, that anti-American) is simply a fact, not racist, and 3) no one has done to an illegal simply for being an illegal what they did to Jesus. And...4) these Los Angeles pro-Mexican (and pro-Mexican is fine with me, as long as they are in Mexico, or support the US if they are here legally) organizations which are now screaming have been promoting the breaking of US laws to allow illegals (read, lawbreakers) into the US, some of which has led to the destruction of the economy and budget in southern California.

    • 31 votes
    #1.18 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
    alfie-omega

    For those who are saying it is only a few bloggers saying it is illegal immigrants, check out the Olbermann video on the same page. There are a few GOP pundits trying to connect swine flu with illegal immigrants, shutting down the borders, etc...

    What these people would see if they took off their blinders is that the cases in the US can be traced back to Americans who have been to Mexico and have brought back the virus with them or with people who have traveled here LEGALLY and didn't know that they had the virus. Even the national health folks are saying it has nothing to do with illegal immigration but then again, I guess they are just part of the conspiracy.

    • 19 votes
    #1.19 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
    Chris-537131

    Boy, do the people on the Vine validate what the article says:

    1) There is no plan proposed or in the works that would make any illegal immigrant legal and able to vote by 2012 or even 2016. All proposals say they have to go back to their home country, then wait 2 years, then get in line (from Mexico the wait would be about 5 years) then once here you could go through the citizensip process (7 years.) That works out to be at least 15 years before a current illegal immigrant would be eligible to vote.

    2) The illegal immigrant problem can be laid directly at Reagan's feet. Under pressure from agricultural (ConAgra, ADM), meat packing (Tyson, Perdue, Armour) and other lobbyists, he granted complete amnesty to illegals aliens living in the country and did nothing to close the border. This ammounted to nailing up a huge sign at the border reading, "COME HERE AND WE'LL EVENTUALLY GIVE YOU AMNESTY, TOO!"

    3) There have no incidents of illegal immigrants bringing in swine flu. It has come in via tourists and businessmen. In fact, given the rapid incubation, it would be extremely difficult for a person crossing the border on foot to even make it with the swine flu.

    4) There are not 12 million illegals in this country. It is much closer to 22-24 million. The last census was purposefully undercounted, especially in rural areas and HHS under Bush refused to do confirmatory sampling. It is so bad that academics no longer can use demographic data from the census for research purposes, but must buy very expensive GIS information from private companies. The undercounting of all minorities was an attempt by Republicans, at the behest of Karl Rove, to keep their "permanent majority" by whatever means possible, even if a direct violation of the Constitution.

    5) This is further complicated by the fact that under U.S. law, a child born to illegal immigrants in this country is a U.S. citizen. He may be deported with his parents (on some pretty shaky legal ground) but can return as a full citizen at age 18. This was an artifact of when our country was young and many people had been born in Britian, but had come here to stay. The U.S. is one of the few countries that recognizes dual citizenship.

    6) The illegal immigrants pay huge amounts into Social Security and unemployment insurance and in Federal, state and local taxes, but cannot ever get tax refunds or draw social security. Usually the amounts are credited to someone else's account and they get the SSA credits. Illegal immigrants are pretty much tax neutral because of this. Which is interesting because the Red States of Texas, Alaska, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Sacoline all receive more in taxpayer money than they pay in. So illegal immigrants are more supportive of the country than those states.

    7) When people make false generalities about any race, for any reason, it is racism. Blaming the swine flu on immigrants, in any way, is racism. Saying that Mexico has a rotten healthcare system is true, but unless you point out that infant mortality is higher in the U.S. than in Mexico, it is racism. Americans love to justify the "kill 'em all", "round 'em all up and send 'em back", "bomb 'em" kinds of philosophy, but it is still racism. It doesn't matter what race or group of people it is.

    I am very much in favor of changing U.S. law to give natural born citizenship only to immigrant children whose parents are in the citizenship process at the time of their birth. I believe strongly that illegal immigrants knew that they broke the law when they came here and so should be deported for breaking the law. I also think that a short sentence, say six months, working on strengthening the border they sneaked through would be appropriate.

    But unless you are willing to dry up the jobs that cause them to come here, they will continue to come. Why not fine employers enough money that they cannot remain in business if they hire illegals. Illegals are not stealing jobs from Americans, American employers are greedily giving those jobs to them because they don't want to pay minimum wage or benefits. America is already the country in the world that works the longest work weeks, with the most overtime, with the lowest benefits including health care, vacation, maternity leave, educational assistance, etc, for only mediocre pay (24th in the industrialized world) and these employers are using illegals as a way to drive it even lower. Maybe we should be re-thinking their right to remain in business.

    And my last point in this rant is that the "direct action" advocated by so many on here of simply arresting and deporting each person is a bunch of crap. The costs of doing that would exceed all the total federal, state, and local law enforcement budgets combined. Once the number exceeded about 3 million or so, it became economically unfeasible to do it that way.

    I don't think these people should be here, but adding another element of racism to American culture, when we have been unable to resolve those issues for hundreds of years is just plain silly.

    • 53 votes
    #1.20 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
    Cincinnati Rick

    For the most part, it's more ignorance than racism. Look, pork consumption has dropped 30% despite the known and well-publicized fact that the transmission of the virus has zero relation to consumption of meat. 23 countries have banned import of all North American pork because of this scare...go figure.

    It is undeniable that Mexico is the source and epicenter of this outbreak. So EVERYTHING Mexican is under suspicion. I suspect that these wild statements from people who really ought to know better are simply the actions of merchants delivering a product that their audience appreciates. So it's racist, so what...nothing to have a cow over. Or is that a pig?

    That's all Brian Alexander and MSNBC is doing here...delivering a product that people who have nothing better to do than post drivel all day can feast on. Oops...that could be me...and you.

    Let's lighten up folks.

    • 14 votes
    #1.21 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:59 AM EDT
    kscoloradoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Olbermann is not a reporter. He is a ranting, in my opinion jerk, whose purpose is to promote a leftist pro-Obama and anti-conservative agenda through his television alotted time. His dishonest, hating spewing is viewed daily.

    • 14 votes
    #1.22 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
    tw76054

    Under our new "rules of change", anyone who does not agree with The Obama and his lunatic socialist agenda is by definition a racist.  When He opens the border to Mexico and grants immediate citizenship and welfare to all who wish to come, things will change for the better.  Just imagine, 20+ million more entitlement voters each wanting to help the great Obama move us to socialism even faster.  God help us all! Any statements made against illegal immigrants are immediately changed to be against all immigrants. This is the new tactic to eliminate dissention.

    • 18 votes
    #1.23 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
    John5796-791151Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    "Jesus was an illegal alien, what would some of these people have done to him?"

    Comparing Jesus to these dirty leeches crossing the border in the middle of night just shows that you are probably one of them. Your damn lucky I am not in charge of this stupid country.

    • 12 votes
    #1.24 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
    Andy-1076268

    When will America wake up??? There is TRUTH to this! Key word...ILLEGAL!!!! Kids have to be properly immunized to go to school. I would assume anyone coming into this country would have to also. If not... they should. If people are not comming through the proper channels... ANYTHING (including bio-terrorism) can come into this country the way this FLU has unless we do something about it.

    If you want to live here... do it the legal way. Would you send someone to jail for breaking into your home? What about your country??? WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!

    • 29 votes
    #1.25 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:06 AM EDT
    Carl-420555

    There is nothing racist about being upset about illegal immigration! To try and make it a racial issue is absurd. We have every right to be upset.

    • 35 votes
    #1.26 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
    winkiesixtysix

    I personally do NOT think illegals should be allowed to stay or given a path to legalization that is nothing more than amnesty made to sound like there is actually some sort of punishment. What it does is make them pay the government so the government can make just a bit more off of them. Send them back and make them start all over.

    However, this flu has nothing to due with race period, it is geographical in nature. It is a mutation of the flu with a combination of swine/human and bird flu viruses. Since flu's mutate ALL the time this happens constantly. That is why every single year the flu vaccine is different, on top of which it only covers 3 flus that scientists figure will be the big ones for that year and there are over 100 different human flu viruses out there so even if you get the shot you still have 97+ chances to get the flu each year.

    Unfortunately in countries that are basically 3rd world except for the 'pretty tourist' areas there is little control over farming. There is little access to medical care and the poverty is rampant. Mexico does have a national health care system but a person is only listed on it if they are employed and their employer reports that they are. To avoid taxes many employers do just like they do here......not listing them to avoid the taxes so the person works but doesn't have access to any type of medical care. This could have started in any country that is like this, Africa, Asia, Central or South America or the middle east. We forget that most countries are NOT like the US and Europe most have many areas in them just like Mexico, no electricity lack of medical care and rampant poverty.

    To those conspiracy theorists don't you suppose if this were a terrorist plot they would have used something a bit more virulant than the flu, something airborne that doesn't require touching the virus to pick it up? Not to say it isn't possbile but since this is easily preventable by washing your hands, not being around anyone sick and coughing or sneezing into your sleeve or a handkerchief and not your hand one would figure they would choose something a bit harder to prevent.

    • 11 votes
    #1.27 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:12 AM EDT
    addiemRestored

    "dirty leeches"???? Well, what do you call the bleeping bleep American employers who are giving them jobs???? Do you think for second that they would have EVER left home if they thought they could not find a job, one that pays $10 an hour, not a week? Then, when the border got clamped down, since our gov't has no effective worker program, they brought the whole family - for fear if they returned home at holidays and off periods of agriculture - like their fathers could - they could not get back to the job.

    ILLEGAL AMERICAN EMPLOYERS have brought them here, duh. Stop going to the car wash, hiring them to babysit, do your landscaping and construction. Stop going to restaurants that hire them - what a bunch of hypocrites, some nerve to be racist on top of that.

    • 22 votes
    #1.28 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
    michael-301083

    Mexicans are very nice people in most parts of the US.  The problem is that most are illegal.  They are spreading this Flu around because of Mexican officials.  But that could also be some propaganda for Obama And Company...

    • 6 votes
    #1.29 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
    salem1692

    There is always going to be a strain of humanity that is hateful of any but their own kind. As is apparent on some of the newsvine posters. They don't consider the Europeans that first landed on these shores and spread smallpox through the native populations.

    • 17 votes
    #1.30 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
    Last

    Freedom is Speech is everyone's right just as they are free to believe anything they wish. No matter how uneducate or stupid. After all, BO is in the Whitehouse because of just that. He brainwashed the public with telling them tripe about how he'd change everything for the better. So far that sure hasn't shown any signs of happen outside of the NYT and Washington Post's slanted articles.

    The Mexican aliens in this country would love to be considered the underdog instead of the cause of much unemployment. They live in unsanitary conditions and overcrowded housing in their own country and come into our country and pile 5 families into a single family dwelling which is not sanitary to do. It is a wonder they don't have far more illnesses than they do. They don't bother to follow our laws and feel that our laws should protect them anyway.

    No one is sure how that virus is being spread. Could easily be by birds but considering how widely spread the Mexican Cartel has gotten in this country it could easily be coming with them. In Europe they are telling people not to come to the US or Mex and that's just as biased as anything since cases have been found over there and Canada.

    • 4 votes
    #1.31 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT
    bob-1076302

    Truth hurts. We should be concerned that many diseases like polio, leprosy, to name a few are on the rise due to illegals who are not immunized. And that article was not slanted at all??

    • 20 votes
    #1.32 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT
    George-St. Petersburg, FL.

    Chris-537131

    Boy, do the people on the Vine validate what the article says:

    1) There is no plan proposed or in the works that would make any illegal immigrant legal and able to vote by 2012 or even 2016. All proposals say they have to go back to their home country, then wait 2 years, then get in line (from Mexico the wait would be about 5 years) then once here you could go through the citizensip process (7 years.) That works out to be at least 15 years before a current illegal immigrant would be eligible to vote.

    Oh really?

    Nancy Pelosi on Immigration

    Click here for 8 full quotes on Immigration OR background on Immigration.

    • Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
    • Voted NO on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
    • Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
    • Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
    • Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
    • Rated 0% by FAIR, indicating a voting record loosening immigration. (Dec 2003)
    • Comprehensive immigration reform without amnesty. (May 2005)
    • Rated 0% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)
      With "Leadership" like this, I tend to think your opinion is wrong..

    • 9 votes
    #1.33 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
    Morgan S.

    Chris-

    Very good post. Very informative. I don't agree with everything, but thank you for the info.

    • 3 votes
    #1.34 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
    RonBlack66

    "Amid swine flu outbreak, racism goes viral" -- article

    Hispanic is not a race. It's an ethnicity. You can no more call it racism than you can call discrimination against women "racism". Leave it to leftie's to mislabel things and use inflammatory words in order to promote their agenda.

    Sorry MSNBC, but my sympathetic ways towards your multicultural agenda is a thing of the past. My eyes have been opened by reality once I was no longer under the influential spell of my former professors and have since lived in this multicultural 'utopia' that you and your kind promoted as wonderful. You lied then and you're lying still!

    • 16 votes
    #1.35 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:26 AM EDT
    Pater-500676

    You are so" right". Speaking of "right", we may as well have figured that the current swine flu situation would bring the right-wing idiots front and center to blather about somehow "illegals" and Mexicans are to be blamed for it. Our government is trying to handle this responsibly and the WHO as well. Just let it rest you off-shoots of the 3rd Reich.

    • 6 votes
    #1.36 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:30 AM EDT
    Steve Rutherford

    Try this. Get a dictionary and look up the word "illegal". And now do the same with the word "criminal". Okay, now take a little time to digest those meanings... I fully support LEGAL immigration from all around the world. I believe that this is a big part of what made America the great nation she used to be. I also believe that every criminal sneaking into this country illegally should do so only under heavy fire from a well armed border patrol. If they are in a boat we should sink it. If they knew they were more likely to die crossing our border than to get in, maybe these criminals would stay and try to change things and make a difference where they come from.

    And one must completely ignore reality to suggest that there are not thousands of people crossing our borders illegally every day! Only a fool could suggest that NONE of these criminals are infected or that, being contagious at LEAST 24 hours before exhibiting symptoms, they will not spread this disease. They most certainly will contribute to the spread of this disease.

    By the same token, it is ludicrous to imply that these criminals are completely, or even mostly, to blame. As a responsible parent the idea of my minor son or daughter traveling outside this country without me or my wife (their mother) with them is beyond belief to me. But this is America where our most passionate endeavor is to attempt to avoid personal responsibility. Just look at our "leadership", none of them will accept responsibility for anything so why should the rest of us? But I digress.

    The Mexican people are not to blame for this. They are the first victims of this disease. And why all the hoopla over this one? From what I have been seeing/reading/hearing this doesn't seem to be outside the typical variation of lethality for a strain of influenza, so why all the hype? And using this as an excuse for racisim? Well, stupid, foolish, ignorant people will use any fear generating idea they can find to push their often hate-centric agendas. Thankfully they can spew their poisonous ideas loudly and publicly here in America, otherwise we would have no way of knowing who the hate-filled fools in our society are, who to warn our children against. Some of them anyway.

    A position against illegal immigration and illegal immigrants is not a position supporting racisim any more than speaking spanish makes one an illegal alien. Claiming it is is just as foolish and blind as the racisis mindset itself. When you point your finger at someone you have three pointing back at you.

    • 9 votes
    #1.37 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:36 AM EDT
    L.B

    I'm not racist and I don't hate anybody but this illegal alien thing is bringing the country down.... I'd like to ask a simple question. If we didn't have this illegal alien problem would we be at risk for a biological attack using the illegal aliens to bring in the virus.

    Again, I'm not racist and I have many Mexican friends. I live in Austin Texas and I have 5 kids in schools and when i arrived in Austin my youngest son needed help in math and he couldn't get it unless he spoke spanish... The only class that the school had that tutored math was a spanish speaking class... Now I've been a member of 2 branches of the armed services and seen action during Operation Eagle Claw (the failed attempt to rescue the Irainian hostages). And, I can't get help for my son unless he speaks a foreign language... This has got to stop!!!

    • 31 votes
    #1.38 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
    LC-288617

    It is NOT racism, it is reality.

    Mexico and the majority of that culture do not think of sanitation or the effect it will or will not have on anyone else. They hold no standards

    And, I am speaking on a first hand witness, and this just in their own families.

    Including those living here in the states.

    They do not teach or concern themselves with much, beyond their immediate personal needs.

    I could go on and on but I won't.

    It is the truth.

    And the pure fact that they believe it is acceptable to break the law, cross the border with NO conscience what so ever, based solely on their unjustifiable beliefs, of they have it so why can't I, mentality.

    These people are not persecuted nor starving.

    AND they should send the people back to when they came from who live in Duroville.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-duroville1-2009may01,0,2068462.story?track=rss

    That is just a bunch of BS saying it is like the Japanese internment camps.

    They choose to break the law and come here, now they expect us to take care of them?

    And THEY CHOOSE TO live that way. COme visit all my neighbors.

    • 18 votes
    #1.39 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
    Checkmate-983933

    When did 'ILLEGAL' become a race?

    There is a difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one. I don't feel that anyone should criticize/attack someone on their race or whether they entered the country legally. However, what part of ILLEGAL do people not understand. I don't see this as an issue of US against the Mexicans or other immigrants. However, I see this as US against those who enter the country illegally. They are breaking the law in the place.

    Now, with the swine flu, again, a lot of people are saying that it is spread by tourists. I can agree with this. However, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an illegal immigrant in the US that brought the flu with them. How would you know? It is a possibility. I have also heard about the government creating this flu. Maybe. I read somewhere that THIS CAN BE SPREAD IN PORK. However, they cleverly worded it as "It isn't in pork if cooked correctly." So, right there is a yes and no answer. Cook the food right and you won't get sick. Common sense, especially if you think about all the other bacteria that can be in food before it is washed/cooked.

    • 14 votes
    #1.40 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
    celp

    I agree 100%. I feel it is irresponsible for MSNBC to publicise an article of this nature to just fuel the thoughts of a few ignorant people! I am not ashamed to say that I am a Mexican American and come from a line of immigrants. I thank my parents for bringing me to this great country to live the "American Dream".

    It is sad that the people who...well I would assume they are educated, would go to these lengths using a virus as an excuse to spew their racism! It disgusts me. Also I would say on the comment of Mexicans being Pigs, how would anyone know the hygiene habits of another person? It makes me wonder when someone blames another person of disgusting things that it is their guilt of what they do that fuel those comments. SAD DAY IN AMERICA!

    • 7 votes
    #1.41 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
    L.B

    What I don't get is if we as Americans do something illegal we are held accountable... But, illegal aliens can enter our country illegally and expect to get rewarded for it...

    I just don't understand the double standard!!!

    Someone please make some sense of this... Watching CNN talk about the Swine Flu is like I'm watching some bad movie on the SCI-FI channel or something... When will our goverment wake up and do the right thing?

    • 8 votes
    #1.42 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:47 AM EDT
    icepick151

    George Orwell; it's interesting how you interpret the writer's professionally responsible citation as a direct attack in your dear Alex Jones. The writer classified the source of that quote as an irrational rant and only mentioned your pal Mr. Jones when identifying the location of the "rant." Don't get so damn defensive, you act as if this guy is the constant victim of witch hunts. As far as your comment;

    When I looked at the title of this I knew they were going to have something about Alex Jones. It wasnt even something he said, it was something someone said in the comment section of his website. Anybody can say anything on there.

    This comment is entirely unnecessary because they really say nothing about Mr. Jones only that someone wrote something on his website. Also, its failry common sense that when it comes to message boards, "anybody can say anything on there."

    I guess I simply don't understand why you feel the need to assert Alex Jones has been somehow victimized.

    • 2 votes
    #1.43 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:48 AM EDT
    tim in ca.

    leave it to our government to spread the fear of death into the lives of the people, racism, intolerance, it all stems from the fear that is spread, joe biden tells us we should stay out of trains, and subways and any confined space, the health services dept tells us to not travel to mexico unless it is absolutely neccesary, and on and on. if its clear it came from mexico then shut the borders, if not thentwe should take a wait and see attitude and not a rush to panic, remember in the 70's the swine flu serum killed more than the swine flu. and whats with russia banning all meat from america? its not even a meat contained ilness, great lets let the gov run health care , the auto industry, the financial industry ,banks, insurance, you worry about predgidice now wait until the services in this country are forced into a so called level playing field with illegals infused into our legal system as citizens. the great media has another oppertunity to report honestly but once again out of context, tongue in cheek references are blown out of perportion to create the desired effect.and the hungry sheep are ready to gobble it up.

    • 3 votes
    #1.44 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:48 AM EDT
    cory-935209

    The numbers are overwhelming. Can I not choose who I avoid? We are so afraid of being labeled that we can't take precautions? Use logic, if you want to decrease potential exposure to swine flu, avoid the group withthe largest number of cases reported (Mexicans). Aside from disliking homosexuals, I avoid them b/c of the potential for AIDS, and so on in the case of other groups. Call me what you want but its got me by for 40+ years and keeps my family safe.

    • 4 votes
    #1.45 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:55 AM EDT
    Hope-295312

    Sometimes I weep for the ignorance of the human race. We can all act polite but the fear brings out what's lurking just under the skin of many "civilized" people. Those who claim to be superior ought to start (and continue) acting like they possess the quality they claim to have.

    • 10 votes
    #1.46 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
    cmon-864012

    isn't anyone going to blame bush? I mean, the media? even the article passingly mentions that information was incomplete and slow to come. of course the media was too busy being confused covering the economy and doing another fluff piece on obama, but even this far in people are having to do their own research to get the facts. pitiful.

    • 3 votes
    #1.47 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
    Neesy08

    GEORGEORWELL: freedom of speec requires resonsibility. What if you were of Hispanic origin and heard this? Would you appreciate it?

    You cannot yell "fire!" when there is not a fire, so you should not be able to blame a grop of people for a virus when they are not responsible. No difference.

    • 4 votes
    #1.48 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:04 PM EDT
    Fred G. from N.C.

    To use this outbreak as an excuse to criticize discussion of the invasion of Illegal Immigrants as racist is typical of the Main Stream Media. If the virus first strikes in Mexico and then moves north it obviously came from somewhere, but blaming it on Illegal Immigration may be a stretch, because I'm sure a lot of our processed pork comes from Mexico.Hopefully due to the timing this outbreak will die down quickly, if not I'm sure the people looking to use it for an agenda will increase (whatever that agenda may be).

    • 2 votes
    #1.49 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:05 PM EDT
    rightman1

    Face It ...All you need to vote is an address. No one asks you for a proof of citizenship at all. Just verify an address and anyone can vote. They can even register to vote on election day. Everytime someone wants to start a program to have a voter verification card it is stopped by the Democrats. The most racism is Anti-White, Anti-American. And it is called Affirmative Action, and gender norming, and it is just plain wrong...! Now there is a real threat of a pandemic. and the democrats are doing what? Nothing...! just let them walk across the border with it. and who knows what else? The Mexican government is complaining about guns? While their drugs have been getting across the border for decades. If the Democrats don't do anything about the flow of Illegals we should vote them out. The Democrats control the Congress and White House and Senate, and they are still blaming everything on the republicans. Stop the bickering and get some real border security. As Obama* said, " it's going to get worse before it gets better". They are counting on it getting worse. They need it to get worse so you keep voting for them. Face it, The only reason the so many low information voters voted for Obama* is the color of his skin. why would so many first time voters turn out after not voting for years? Racism is the reason Obama* got elected. When the teleprompter fails, Obama* is speechless. They can boycot us so let's Boycot them. The hispanic chamber of commerce will like that.....Equality...

    • 6 votes
    #1.50 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
    Hope-295312Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Oh - by the way - I forgot to tell all of the white folks who are saying these hateful comments - why don't you go home to the European countries your ancestors came from? The only human species who belong here are the Native Americans right?

    (I'm a Euro-american by the way . . . )

    (I also believe in LEGAL immigration by the way . . . Those here illegally should be deported post haste.)

    • 8 votes
    #1.51 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:10 PM EDT
    Ernie-201266

    Only in Obamaville is it considered racist to call an "ILLEGAL" immigrant a criminal.

    Merriam-Webster defines the key word here "Illegal" follows: not according to or authorized by law.

    People who have immigrated to this country "Illegally" are criminals regardless of their intent. I do not care what country you are from, if you are here illegally you are a criminal by federal immigration law.




    TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part VIII > § 1325
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    § 1325. Improper entry by alien

    How Current is This?

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who
    (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
    (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
    (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

    So it "should" make no difference what country you are from if you are here illegally and someone calls you a criminal, you are one, and there is nothing racist about a simple comment like that.

    Obama (and Congress) need to stop worrying about losing votes from people who vote in spite of the fact that they can't legally do so, and start doing the job they were elected to do. Screw political correctness and start enforcing the law. If the Hispanic communities don't like it because their illegal relatives/friends are getting arrested and deported, then let them learn how to get them back into this country legally.

    This does not give law enforcement and others the right to target Hispanics simply because of their race, but rather because of the some 12 million who are here illegally putting an economic drain on the already financially strapped state and federal funds.

    Two past POTUS have instituted massive immigration sweeps and deportations, enforcing the laws. There is no reason Obama can't do the same, other than he is more worried about his image than doing his job.

    • 11 votes
    #1.52 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:12 PM EDT
    ROY WILSON-336103

    So complaining about the FACT that the millions of illegal immigrants bring diseases with them is now considered "Racism".

    Give me a break. Legal immigrants and visitors are screened, but those who sneak over the border are not, and are usually the poorest and least skilled and most likely to be infected. The top 3 diseases they bring are Tuberculosis, Leprosy and Changas Disease (which can be very expensive to treat - but they don't have to pay because hospitals can't turn them away).

    This article is just another attempt by msnbc to make people feel guilty for wanting to protect their families. Disgusting "journalism".

    • 16 votes
    #1.53 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:12 PM EDT
    ToldYouSo-

    Mark Forbes
    The Sydney Morning Herald
    February 20, 2008

    The Indonesian Health Minister has said the United States and the World Health Organisation are part of a global conspiracy to profit from the spread of bird flu and the US may use samples to produce biological weapons.

    Then there was this:

    November 9, 2005

    Dr. Jim Goltz says there's no evidence avian flu has arrived in Canada, but if it does, hunters could become carriers of the virus.

    During the avian flu virus scare, country would attack country on where and why it had spread. This is nothing new. People are people. They react differently to stress, created mostly by their government's handling of things.

    Hunters who carried guns didn't rally and yell racism against duck hunters! This is all propaganda from people looking for a story to print.

    We weren't allowed near parks where geese congregate. So what. It was a precaution. People might feel safer away from certain people they feel might have the virus, So What.

    The ill chosen words of the few doesn't mean a pandemic of racsim.

    • 1 vote
    #1.54 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:12 PM EDT
    Alex M.-539592Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    We need to desegregate the Nazi South. Those bastards are getting uglier from day to day.

    The Freedom Rides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 2 votes
    #1.55 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:17 PM EDT
    Emanuel-0684

    Will any non-illegal immigrant (or descendant) please stand up?

    Don't worry...I'll wait.

    What about the fact that America was STOLEN from the Native Americans and Mexicans. It happening a few hundred years ago doesn't make it any less true.

    Want to talk about the illegal immigrants bringing disease? LET"S TALK ABOUT SMALLPOX!!

    I don't think we have the moral standing or highground to attack anyone who comes here illegally...I really don't. They are just continuing the American tradition!

    That's not to say I don't agree that something should be done to discourage/stop it.

    But the fact of the matter is, the very people who are proposing radical/deport everyone sort of ideas aren't really willing to pay the cost of such actions.

    For example: 1 thing that comes to mind is across the board fair trade. If that was instituted, everyone would be crying foul when a pair of sneakers that we'd normally pay $40 for cost $300...and a cellphone cost $3000. When the cost of everything increases 10 fold(that's an understatment) I think a lot of you would sit and reconsider. I mean think about it...imagine Walmart paying a worker $2500 a month instead of < $100(or any other company ) . Then there's no need for them to come here to work, since they earn just as much over there. What do you think that would do for their "always low prices"? Think of all the farming these "illegals" do...do you know how much food would cost? I know most of you can probably barely afford it now.

    Is that really a sacrifice you are willing to make?

    Don't bite the hand that feeds you (literally!)

    (let's not forget that that's why there was slavery!)

    • 4 votes
    #1.56 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:18 PM EDT
    salem1692

    Everybody is blaming the Mexicans for coming here and taking jobs away from American citizens. I agree, that is so, but the fault lies with the companies and farming operations that hire them over US citizens. The Mexicans are just trying to make money, and they work until they drop, I have worked with them in the fields and they are GOOD workers.

    • 7 votes
    #1.57 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:18 PM EDT
    icepick151

    Fred;

    discussion of the invasion of Illegal Immigrants as racist is typical of the Main Stream Media.

    I don't think it's the discussion itself that's being criticized but more the rhetoric being used by some of the participants in this discussion. Many of the comments made by those cited in this opinion piece(of which there are just as many conservative examples) have little to do with the actual realities surrounding this controversial issue. Indeed, comments like those used by Savage provide no input of value to a rational and logical national discourse. In reality they have a counterproductive impact because they draw attention away from the actual issue (and the legitimate data surrounding it) and focus more on irrational fears based on pure reactionary emotional response (this is how Savage, Rush, "insert your favorite hated liberal pundit here," etc. and others like them make their millions).

    • 2 votes
    #1.58 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
    Wanda Murline

    Well, if the illegal immigrants were to go home, we would all be happy. The US attorney general says that he will uphold the law to the fullest on anything coming before him, but here we are with millions of illegal aliens in this country and no one is deporting them...hell, they are giving them ssi benefits that you and I have paid for and make us educate their children and change our language to Mexican. This does not surprise me that the first to die from the disease was a Mexican baby. I am sorry that he died, but the fact remains that these people are taking over America..they want to turn it into Mexico, not be an American. I have no problem with them going home and then applying for US citizenship the way citizenship has been granted to immigrants for over a hundred years, but I resent the fact that Congress wants these votes and are going to hand over citizenship without them having to earn it. But, then again, we are paying the irresponsible homeowner's mortgages, the irresponsible care dealerships 3.6 billion dollars so they do not have to file bankruptcy and then be told after the money is gone that now they have to file bankruptcy, the banks who filled their own pockets. Congress is corrupt...all of them from the Top to the Bottom with the exception of a few that you could count on your fingers. You can go over the current Cabinet and see that for yourself...Clinton, Rangel, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank. Reed, Napoleon (that is what I call her), Geithner, Ramuel....all of them are transparent crooks.

    • 7 votes
    #1.59 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
    Pat-297145

    "Make us a weak nation of imbeciles" LOL!! Looks like the fears were well founded, all it takes is one drive down the road, one trip to Walmart, or one look at this message board!!!

    • 4 votes
    #1.60 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
    ivan, NC

    The media may be using too strong a word for sure..and not surprising since they make their money from it. The problemis however, that we do have too many illegals coming into this country..no matter what excuse you make it is still true...and as such they could pose a risk. And it does not matter what country they are from. By over looking the problem the risk continue to grow. Should we just let it go on...? And if so why ? Just because our government wants the vote from the illegals if they can make them legal now...sorry, thats not a good reason.

    • 1 vote
    #1.61 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
    oldefarte

    Firstly, let's accept that the term "racism" has been completely denatured, when people like Janeane Garofolo can extend it to anyone who disagrees with anything that Pres. Obama says or does. Indeed, it largely lost its meaning during last year's primaries when any anti-Obama vote was immediately characterized as "ignorant, redneck racism" (even as 95%+ of blacks were voting based on one candidate's color). Just like "Gadzooks" used to be considered a horrendous profanity and has now become merely quaint, so the charge of "racism" is rapidly losing its power.

    Next, let's understand that the Mexican Government has literally shut down the ENTIRE country of Mexico until at least after Cinco de Mayo. Only "essential service" personnel are going to work and everyone else is being told to stay home and to avoid contact with others. YET, if any American suggests that maybe we ought to take similar precautions vis-a-vis those coming in from the center of the disease, they are immediately branded as "racist". In short, you're a "racist" UNLESS you think it's wrong for a Mexican to infect another Mexican but okay for a Mexican to infect an American. At some point, that kind of bizarre thinking and epithet slinging is going to pass from the merely inane, to the offensive, to the utterly laughable and those who like to claim "racism" are going to have to find a different bugbear.

    Which is not to say that there are not some folks out there demanding that the border be closed out of racist sentiments, but to assert that that is the only or even main basis for the position and to brand every concern about pandemic diseases and effective quarantine a manifestation of "racism" is to make the whole "racism" argument an irrelevancy. Time for the Left to grow up and quit the name-calling. It's juvenile and does not advance the discussion.

    • 6 votes
    #1.62 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:26 PM EDT
    Alex M.-539592

    “No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!” conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu. “And that starts in the restaurants" where he said, you “don’t know if they wipe their behinds with their hands!”

    Don't buy any alcohol made from corn from the South Nazi states cause you don't know if those Nazis given their cosins enemas and water-boarded them to interrogate their asses with it first.

    • 3 votes
    #1.63 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
    DrowningGrover

    Well you don't realize how true the statement is about terrorist spreading flu among illegal immigrants coming over into America. It makes logical sense that if you can't get in, have someone go in for you. Wake UP.

    hahahaha, lolololo, omg that is too freaking funny. You honestly believe all that rightwing fox news crap? Wow, i almost feel sorry for you...

    • 4 votes
    #1.64 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
    arebrownDeleted
    Brianb-999431

    Of course this would somehow play into the conservative talk show hands.  How else is the left going to shut them up?  The conservatives have to be blamed for racist talk, being politically incorrect and before you know it, the government in their infinite stupidity and desire to become socialist will shut down the conservative right completely. 

    Welcome to the new one party ruled country - United Socialist America

    • 3 votes
    #1.66 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:35 PM EDT
    saxon

    We must all be political correct; no more Swine flu, it is a insult to pigs. The Black death of the middle ages should be renamed for obvious reasons. Hong Kong flu , must not be used. Asian avian flu , that one is out for sure. African Ebola virus, well do I have to explain.

      #1.67 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
      Mildred Joseph

      What about the bird flu? An Antrhax? Where was all this hate against China? hmm??! What about all of those toys that came from China that contained lead? You are just racist against Mexicans.

      • 3 votes
      #1.68 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:55 PM EDT
      bluecollarblogger

      There current uproar has nothing to do with racism. It's nationalism. The borders should have been closed. That does not keep Hispanic Americans out. It keeps Mexicans and a virus out. It's called quarantine and it works.

      • 4 votes
      #1.69 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT
      Bev-341827

      Mildred, Mexican is not a race.

      • 3 votes
      #1.70 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
      Kevin Q

      I live in Southern California where there seem to be more illegals than residents.

      Part of me feels sorry for them because Mexico is such a horrible place to live right now. On the other hand, I work really hard to provide for my family and I don't think it is right that these people should get for free what we pay for.

      I don't think it is right that they should bring their gangs and drugs to my neighborhood.

      I don't think it is right that they should be able to go to the emergency room for health care when I have to pay outrageous health care premiums.

      I don't think it is right that they should be able to drive on our roads without licenses and insurance.

      I don't think it is right that they should be able to work in America and not pay taxes. If I tried that the IRS would be all over me.

      I don't think it is right that I have to pay to educate thier children. I have a hard enough time paying for my own kids. The schools are so over-crowded with illegals that it is our kids who are suffering. There aren't enough books, desks, or even teachers to go around.

      I don't think it is right that they are in America without vaccinations that we require. We are welcoming all kinds of diseases in when not everyone is vaccinated.

      I don't think it is right that what were one nice neighborhoods now have sheets over the windows and garbage all over the yards.

      I don't think it is right that my twenty-two year old daughter can no longer walk into our neighborhood 7-11 to get a drink without having to run the gauntlet of illegals standing around the door.

      I don't think it is right that my sixteen year old son (an American) couldn't get a job at the local McDonalds because he doesn't speak enough Spanish.

      Frankly, I expect that soon we will be like the last group of people who were the rightful landowners: we will live on reservations in complete poverty while the illegals will get everything.

      • 8 votes
      #1.71 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:10 PM EDT
      gary allison

      7) When people make false generalities about any race, for any reason, it is racism. Blaming the swine flu on immigrants, in any way, is racism. Saying that Mexico has a rotten healthcare system is true, but unless you point out that infant mortality is higher in the U.S. than in Mexico, it is racism. Americans love to justify the "kill 'em all", "round 'em all up and send 'em back", "bomb 'em" kinds of philosophy, but it is still racism. It doesn't matter what race or group of people it is.

      You had me until number 7. Everything was well thought out and logically put until number 7 brushed a broad stroke of opinion across the whole thing. The overuse of the word "racism" has diluted the impact that that word should have. Not everything regarding another race is racism just because it fails to weigh each and every fact regarding that race. Ignorance? Sure. Misinformed? Yes. Sweeping generalities? You bet. Racism? Sometimes.

      I especially enjoyed the line: "Saying that Mexico has a rotten healthcare system is true, but unless you point out that infant mortality is higher in the U.S. than in Mexico, it is racism." I failed to make that far reaching connection. Mexico's healthcare system is rotten and that is a fact. The infant mortality rate in U.S. bears little consequence to that fact. It has nothing to do with Mexican people, white people, or any people. It has to do with a country's poor healthcare system. Somalia has a poor healthcare system. Period. It bears no reflection on the black people of that nation. Stating a fact is not racism.

      • 1 vote
      #1.72 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT
      L Marko

      There is only one effective way to stop the spread of this cruel insidious sickness-- TURN OFF YOUR RADIO !

      • 4 votes
      #1.73 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:13 PM EDT
      common sense isnt so common

      I am caucasian.My ex-wife was Mexican. My Kids are half Mexican. I have lots and lots of Mexican friends. I am not a racist. Calling illegal aliens "criminals" is not racist, it is the truth....they broke the law. What part of this is so hard to understand? This story is just another LIBERAL RANT and frankly I am sick of this "RACIST" tactic that is used so often, but because it works so well it will not stop. Intelligent Liberals(and I use that term loosely) in Government and the press which is nothing more than a propaganda machine know that planting this racist seed will cause less intelligent people to"rally" to this point of view. Another case of the Sheep Herders herding the sheep.....and it works so darn well.....wake up people.

      • 4 votes
      #1.74 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:16 PM EDT
      humanflu

      I really should avoid reading, listening and watching the frothing piglets who rant on throughthe filth encrusted layers of their minds and mouths. Have you no shame? You believe yourselves to be intelligent and witty but you're foul, scared little people who have within your own veins the blood of many colors. Has it occurred to you to place responsibility on the American-run pork operation in Mexico that these poor people have succumed to. The Mexicans have zero to say when a rich American partner approaches with a pot of gold and a pocket full of promises. It's time the greedy American has some accountability for his actions when setting up operations in a neighbors back yard. There's the person to blame. Open your eyes. Exploit a group of innocents and then call their lives disgusting? What an ignorant bunch of people you are. Stop talking - forever.

      • 8 votes
      #1.75 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:16 PM EDT
      Marie Asport

      Dr. Kline is right, it is about lack of knowledge, I read the most atrocious things such as "these immigrants *&^%$##$$%" whatever, but most people don't realized that America is a country of immigrants...check your ancestry, if you do not come from a American Native background and that includes the native from Baja California, you are an immigrant, and perhaps even a decendent of an illegal immigrant. some of you maybe from the East Coast or the Central States, wake-up, advance in life, read educate yourselves, look into your own lives, some maybe descendants of war criminals, or common criminals, murderers, child molesters, thieves, adulterers you name it...start with yourselves, look at your filth first, and then look at the rest of the world, as for those commentators, experience speak for itself, the mouth speaks only of what the mind is familiar with, so maybe the commentator who accuses the illegal immigrant of wiping his butt with his finger, he speaks of such because he has done it first...and maybe he has even put it in his mouth and tasted the $%^&^%$## that comes out of his own lack of dignity

      • 5 votes
      #1.76 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
      Steech

      The conservative media has refined their art of linguistic brinksmanship to the degree that they will probably never actually say anything publically that can be definitively described as "racist." Many people have pointed out, and rightly so from a strictly semantic point of view, that abusing illegal aliens in oratory is not the same thing as racism. This is, in fact, the escape hatch; this is how talk show hosts, talking heads, (and your neighbors) will be able to say they are quoted out of context.

      However, the spirit of their comments is entirely racist, whether they've encapsulated it in a palatable guise or not. It is imposible to: A) positively ID the country of origin of any given hispanic person, B) positively ID US citizenship status, and C) distinguish between the legal and illegal resident status of non-citizens by sight alone.

      My close friend, an American citizen who immigrated legally from Costa Rica as a teenager, was once asked (in my presence), "what kind of Mexican are you?" That comment was as ignorant as a comment can possibly be. But that is the sentiment being manipulated by the genteel innuendo of the conservative media.

      The fearmongering is almost tragicomic. To say that terrorists could orchestrate a viral pandemic of America by infecting the population of a neighboring country is maniacal. I'm almost embarrassed to have to explain why. Biological warfare is the bluntest possible instrument and effective only when administered in controlled bursts (like gas on a battlefield or poisoning a water supply). To presume a biological attack consisting of indiscriminate infection of non-contiguous populations could have any reasonable likelihood of success is to trust unreasonably in the hand of fate.

      A sports analogy is the 80 yard pass in the last 10 seconds of a football game or the over-the-shoulder, what-the-heck lobbing of a basketball as the timer signals the end of the game. Only instead of hoping your missile reaches a small target 30-100 yards away, you're expecting a microscopic swarm to reach a target hundreds of miles away.

      Do you see how silly that is? Even an enemy as delusional as Al-Qaida or the Taliban isn't stupid enough to waste their time with this scenario.

      The reason this tragicomic fearmingering is effective is that a great swath of our population is as ignorant toward epidemiology as they are to how the telephone works (something I can't personally explain myself), content to assume it's magic (or God's indication of disapproval). The same people who, yesterday, ridiculed the stupid Egyptians for ordering the slaughter of all pigs today applaud their conservative champions in an equivalent campaign against common sense.

      What we should be saying is: If swine flu is coming from Mexico, maybe we should look into cancelling all non-essential travel to Mexico. Maybe we should effect a full-fledged quarantine (disastrous to business and an extreme measure not to be taken lightly). There's no reason to say your waiter wipes his butt with his hand. Again, do you see how silly that is? How do you defend that? Really?

      • 4 votes
      #1.77 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
      E pluribus Unum-1076702

      Apparently people have forgotten to educate themselves before they speak. Illegal immigrants contribute millions of dollars to this countries economy. Many of the so called “illegals” have lived in this country longer than many of you have been alive. Not to mention they are descendents from actual natives of American and not European descent. Due to the fact they are illegal, they do not receive any benefits yet they pay their taxes and are law obeying citizens. Illegal also filled the job market that had not been filled by citizens of this country. Many work in agriculture and manual labor giving many of you the opportunity to buy products for a lower price which means more money in your pockets. Latin American immigrants are also avid entrepreneurs and are known to be very successful at revitalizing local economies. Much evidence indicates that when Latin American people move into neighborhoods that are low income they quickly become middle class. If anyone wanted to bring a virus to this country they don't need Mexicans all they need is one of the stupid people speaking in this log that believe a Mexican would be needed for a bio attack of any kind. The freedoms depicted in the constitution are to protect individual rights as long they do not infringe upon another person’s rights. Even though is not unlawful to have verbal attacks against another race such as Mexican immigrants. Your words only reflect your insecurities. I can say that throughout history its easy to see that verbal attacks derive from your unfounded fears, and ignorance though not unlawful, unfounded attacks may result in a misguided mentality amongst people; in this case many American's that are weak minded and tend to believe everything they hear with out question. The actions of hatred against another human race lead to actions that result in violations of human rights. I would think that a country founded by immigrants of many nationalities and cultures would be more open minded.

      • 10 votes
      #1.78 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
      bob-413984

      These people live 8 or more in a 4 bedroom house They work for half the money.They send the money home.They use our public schools and get government assistance .These are not Illegal Mexicans but legal citizen's of every color in today's America. Cant tell the difference by just by looking anymore because the legal live the same as the illegal. 120 million non voters getting very angry.If they get mad enough and they get involved and vote bye bye democrats and republicans. They hold both equally responsible and are the reason the haven't voted in the first place.

        #1.79 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:49 PM EDT
        AM05 - Alex

        Calling people with the different point of view "Nazies" is taking the same advantage of the freedom of speech as they do and surely not a way to prove anything besides bad manners.

        Illegal immigration into the US IS illegal and absense of the proper medical checkings for those who enter the US in a violation of the existing laws surely is a problem that must be addressed.

        • 4 votes
        #1.80 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:52 PM EDT
        diversity

        This is no different then blaming gays for AIDS epidemic back in the 1980's and 90's.

        Its not right to be prejudice against Mexicans for this disease, every human being regardless of race needs to be careful and sanitary.

        • 3 votes
        #1.81 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
        icepick151

        Wanda Murline:

        ...hell, they are giving them ssi benefits that you and I have paid for and make us educate their children and change our language to Mexican.

        Undocumented immigrants receiving ssi benefits is by no means the norm. The only way undocumented immigrants are able to get these benefits is by having a fake social security number. The only reason someone would go through the trouble and expense of getting a fake ssn is because their employer requires it, which means that these immigrants, although undocumented, are also paying into the the government funds that provide these services just as you and I are.

        In regards to your comment on education, it does nothing more than display your ignorance of educational theory. First of all, there is no such language as Mexican so I'll assume you mean Spanish. There is nothing occurring within public education that even remotely resembles an attempt to "change our language to Mexican." Because many of our student's primary language is Spanish, any prior education they might have had before they came to us was based in Spanish. That being said, it is important for us as educators to utilize home languages to access the prior knowledge of our students which ultimately allows students to not only learn English faster, but also learn the academic content as well. For educators this is a pedagogical issue not one based on ethnocentrism or collusion in some vast conspiracy to devalue the English language (or in your terms, the American language).

        To present the current immigration issue as some kind of invasion does nothing more than maintain the ethnocentrism and xenophobia that has existed in this country since its inception (even when we had an "open door" immigration policy these realities were present). Not to mention the fact that your assertions fail to address the fundamental causes of the massive influx in undocumented immigration that started in the early 1990s; namely NAFTA. The free trade policies of the countries of N. America are the cause of this shift in immigration trends.

        It's interesting how often those that are so in favor of free trade are the same people who are the first to cry out against the realities it creates. What advocates such as Rush and Co. consistently fail to discuss is that free trade, or the free flow of trade through international markets, doesn't just refer to goods and company headquarters or centers of production. It also refers to a free flow of labor; this is essentially what undocumented immigration is, the free flow of labor that naturally occurs alongside the free flow of goods, services, and production; the only problem is, that advocates of free trade only want what is considered the benefits of the system and attempt to regulate away, or criminalize whats viewed as negative. In other words, this group of people are good enough to produce our goods providing cheaper prices for us, but they are not good enough to be allowed the opportunity to seek out better working conditions on their own terms. Heaven forbid we regulate the production of goods or the ability of companies to maximize profit, but it's perfectly acceptable to regulate the lives of people and the opportunities that they have access to.

        This of course is hypocrisy and elitism at it's finest; advocating a system in one instant because it benefits us through the exploitation of others, but completely changing course (without acknowledging the true realities of this switch) when the exploited act in a way that benefits them and creates "undesirable" realities for us.

        • 7 votes
        #1.82 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
        George Orwell-838902

        I hate typos. Ooops Im sorry, I hope the "thought police" didnt catch that. That might be hate speech. That freedom of speech thing will get you in trouble. Im glad they suspended the constitution for our own good. I was getting scared of all these people speaking their mind.

          #1.83 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
          dewintre200

          When did 'ILLEGAL' become a race?

          The proponents of the invasion use this as a moral cover for the phenomenon. They know damn well that 99% of the illegal aliens are hispanics from south of the border. Maybe we should be screaming that illegal immigration is itself racist, because obviously Swedes can't walk across our border. Its UNFAIR and RACIST to the rest of the would-be illegals around the world that Mexicans can just stroll across and they can't.

          • 3 votes
          #1.84 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:04 PM EDT
          Doctor AG

          Having lived in southern Arizona for 40 years and with family ON the border, I think it's funny when people talk about this stuff... like they have any clue.

          In the 70's, we used to give "illegals" water from the hose in our front yard as they passed through... there were MAYBE 3-4 a year that asked like that...

          It's just different now... dozens of thousands of people a year. It's just stupid and unsustainable. It's not about "race" unless you are the LOSER.

          So to anyone who calls race on the illegal issue... you ARE the loser, and you should be. Stupid is as stupid does.... stop being stupid already.

          This flu won't kill.. but maybe the next one will...

          • 2 votes
          #1.85 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:10 PM EDT
          Ryan in Texas

          This flu originated in Mexico, it should be called the "Mexican" flu.

          AIDS WAS propogated by gay men. It spread because of the gay bath houses of San Francisco.

          Nowadays, you are called a racist even if you are stating a fact (that impacts a victim class).

          • 3 votes
          #1.86 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
          BenCT

          Bev

          It looks like I hit a nerve. I must be doing something right. In a time of mysterious plague, nobody mentions GOD. They just accuse a foreign race. Yep, that's Egypt. And Europe during the Black Death. They blamed the Jews. The "Christians" died, and the Jews survived. But go ahead and deny GOD, it's your right. And if that's the path you choose, there will be a severe reduction in population. If the Right has abandoned religion as an explanation for everything, and it is left to people like me to mention His name, then my side has won! Down you go, Bev. Make sure to kiss your firstborn good night.

            #1.87 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:19 PM EDT
            Ian Emdee

            fire-them-all....

            Generally, I oppose illegal immigration. However, it's hard to miss the
            irony of the current influx of illegal Central Americans. Many of these
            folks are from native American stock. You know, the people we drove off
            their land so we could claim it for ourselves. Many of them could rightly
            see us as the invaders.

            Thanks to God for making us mortal so that the hate we gather during our
            lifetimes comes to an end.

            BTW-Keep spewing your hate so as to insure that any Hispanics who happen
            to read your posts vote democratic!

            Ian

            • 3 votes
            #1.88 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:22 PM EDT
            Checkmate-983933

            Hey, Emanuel, I'm standing. I know from both sides of my family that came from Sicily or Poland or Germany. Wanna know how they got in? ELLIS ISLAND. Filled the paperwork, did the medical tests, passed. . .LEGAL.

            From the way you act, I'm guessing a white family today should continue to owe black people/families, who can trace their lines to slavery, for something that a family in the past did to them. Sorry, I don't think so. Times have changed. I don't owe anyone anything that some dead relative, who I probably never heard of, did to their dead realtive. Sorry, but even if someone thought that I did owe them something, it would be meaningless. I have no guilt about it. Why? Because that was then and this is now. Yes, slavery was bad, but I am not going to force it on my future children that they should always remain guilty for something that happened decades to hundreds of years before my time?

            Yes, I feel bad for what happened to the Indians, but again, before my time. If they feel they have a problem with the government, let them do what everyone else does: Protest and march.

            As for the rise in prices: go for it. At least I know that people who picked the food are legal. I am angry that these companies would break the law and hire illegals in the first place.

            • 4 votes
            #1.89 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
            G. Garrett

            It is racist to even consider that it only comes from illegal immigrants. No one is blaming the illegal immigrants coming from north of the border, or from any of the Asian countries. The students in New York contracted it in Mexico City, not from illegal immigrants. How H1N1 developed and incubated in Mexico City is still unknown. The illegal immigrants are not coming from Mexico City. They are not the spread. Our own traveling is doing that.

            Anything we don't understand or are afraid of must be attacked. During WWII we put Japanese Americans in concentration camps but not the German Americans. It was done because they could be picked out a crowd. All Hispanic Americans are suspect because they can be picked out of a "white crowd" not because they are visiting from Mexico City. Do you realize how many Indian-Americans (from India) were attacked after 9-11 because they had dark skin and wore turbans? They had nothing to do with the attacks from Al-Quaida, but they could be picked out of a "white crowd".

            All diseases originate somewhere and with our ability to travel anywhere in the world and back in a matter of hours will always spread those diseases. Stop blaming and start doing something constructive, like wash your own hands (and some mouths) with soap and water and be alerted to your own area and population.

            • 2 votes
            #1.90 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
            Leprechaun1230

            what really pisses me off is to hear that "the RIGHTS of ILLEGAL ALIENS are being trodden on." Ok, let me think... Illegal means NOT legal, not legal is to break the laws of the land. Where do these people get the notion that they have any rights at all as an Illegal??? I dont care what color you are. if you are here illegally.... GET OUT, go home, and get in LINE and wait your turn to apply for citizenship legally. That is NOT bigotry, I'm sorry.

            Unfortunately, ground zero for this swine flu happens to be Mexico. The WHO has determined that, not a bunch of bigots. That being said, it only makes sense to test those who have been in Mexico recently for the disease, and quarantine/treat them if needed.

            It also makes perfect sense to close the borders (NOW more than ever) to prevent the further spread of this highly contageous disease. Stop the flow, control the spread. Common sense if you ask me. Again, NOT bigotry.... sensible action.

            This situation only reinforces the fact that, for this and many other reasons, our borders should be guarded and illegals prevented from entering.

            • 3 votes
            #1.91 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
            david-475776

            salem1692 - I have worked with them in the fields and they are GOOD workers.

            And if they were ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS subject to Federal Law and you did not do your "Civic Duty" by reporting a Federal Crime you are subject to those Laws, like Obstructing Justice, Harboring Criminals, etc.

            Meaning all of your the knew or know of ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS are subject to FEDERAL prosecution.

            EW-803686 - These are people who take advantage of freedom of speech.

            Then Complain to President Obama and Congress. That you don't want National Socialist Workers Party ideas. Including all the Socialist Programs and that you don't want censorship like March 2009, H.R. 1955 and S. 1959. Also do include your name, real address. Also tell Homeland Seurity to delete their "watch lists" and "SSSS" coding. Also ask the President why he renewed the Patriot Acts. See where that gets you.

            I am not in the US Military to defend the rights of ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS neither are these Mexican, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indo Europeans (former USSR Countries), Iraqis, that are LEGALLY earning their Citizenship and they will tell you the same "F"ing thing about ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS.

            E Escobar - Jesus was an illegal alien, what would some of these people have done to him?

            And where were Mary and Joseph going when he was born, to their home town for tax purposes. ILLEGAL MY ARSE. He was even "registered" with the Romans with the occupation of carpenter.

            It is called geographic biocontainment. Since this Mexican Flu, named for the epi center (Mexico City), like Ebola Zaire, Ebola Reston, Ebola Marburg.

            What does Mexico do with ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS aka ILLEGAL ALIENS. Especially on the Mexican Southern Border, "shoot to kill", so before you say do unto others, or any other religious dogma, tell that to the Mexican Border Guards.

            Anon87 IT IS ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS if you don't know how to read or at least have the courtesy to read the other posters posts, we want the LAWS ENFORCED.

            What part of that don't you understand? If you are a US Citizen and do something ILLEGAL, hope you like your "feel good" mentality when "Bubba" or "Bubbette" has their way with you in Prision. It will feel good for them.

            addiem - any yes, the American Employers need to obey the ILLEGAL IMMIRGRATION LAWS. Just like salem1692, who just confessed in writing, that possibly worked with ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS, needs to be question by Law Enforcement, and if knew of ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, needs to be arrested and prosecuted under Federal Laws.

            Pater-500676 (Pater = Deutsches (German) name for Peter) you want to feel bad about your heritage (German) do so; but, do not interject your heritage and guilt on Americans, you cannot even jest in Germany about NAZIs since it is ILLEGAL. See what would happen if you painted a NAZI swastika someplace and the Polizei catch you. Just like all the edited (censored) German History at the Deutsche Shules.

            If you trust an organization or Government, especially a UN Organization, you should talk to those that survived UN Operations, especially the US Military that survived Mogadishu.

            And if you are at Germany, you have my simpathy having to pay all those additional taxes to pay for the Reunitifcation, that the United States caused (I know I was there and lived at Germany for over 20 years, including Gymnasium, later as part of an International Think Tank, that planned "the Reunification of Germany and the former USSR Countries"(unclassified title), that your Politicians IGNORED and even called me an auslander, so next time dressing in "civilian" clothes doing "fact finding" missions and risking our lives for you and yours; you do it yourself, don't ask the US Military to develop your "Plans" behind the scences. Enjoy your current quality of life, don't thank us, US Military).


            LC-288617 - That is just a bunch of BS saying it is like the Japanese internment camps.

            That is an understatement, in that the Japanese Internment Camps were actually Concentration Camps. Many Japs were allowed to die eventhough the small pox vaccines were at warehouses just outside the gates during the small pox outbreaks. Families were forced to live in small wooden shacks (little larger than an outhouse). It was later determined (FOIA, Freedom of Information Act) that this was allowed to occur to determine the possible use of small pox as a possible bioweapon. And they returned to nothing after being released as all property, businesses, land, money were confiscated under Executive Order 9066 (all of Southern California, that was desert that no one wanted, changed from desert to agricultural land by Japanese Intensive Farming methods after the building of the east west railroad. The Jap Property, Businesses, Land was sold by William Randolf Hurst).

            Hope-295312 - The only human species who belong here are the Native Americans right?

            There were no "Native Americans", as the Native Americans that you refer to were traced back to the Eskimos, who were in turn traced back to the Mongols thru DNA. This furthered the concept of a "land bridge" existing between Russia and the Northern US that no longer exists. The idea also shoots down the concept of Global Warming (renamed Climate Change when the Global Warming was proven wrong), in that solar cycles (solar activity) has been an ongoing "event", including the fact that at one time there was a "Northwest Passage" (which is now being found, with Arctic Warming, due to a lack of solar activity). But, hey, you cannot make money off of solar activity, you can off of carbon credits.

            Alex M.-539592 - We need to desegregate the Nazi South.

            Did you consider the fact that most Southern States are a Democratic Party Majority.

            Emanuel-0684 - Will any non-illegal immigrant (or descendant) please stand up?

            All of us are standing up. Well. This includes the Mexicans, Canadians, Indo Europeans, Asians, etc. that are LEGALLY earning their US Citizenship by serving in the US Military. They want to have a word with you about this, how about you going to a US Military Installation and telling them how stupid they are about LEGALLY obtaining their US Citizenship.

            What about the fact that America was STOLEN from the Native Americans and Mexicans. It happening a few hundred years ago doesn't make it any less true.

            There were no "Native Americans", as the Native Americans that you refer to were traced back to the Eskimos, who were in turn traced back to the Mongols thru DNA. This furthered the concept of a "land bridge" existing between Russia and the Northern US that no longer exists. The idea also shoots down the concept of Global Warming (renamed Climate Change when the Global Warming was proven wrong), in that solar cycles (solar activity) has been an ongoing "event", including the fact that at one time there was a "Northwest Passage" (which is now being found, with Arctic Warming, due to a lack of solar activity). But, hey, you cannot make money off of solar activity, you can off of carbon credits.

            PREVIOUS CASE OF ILLEGALS BRING IN A DISEASE INTO THE US:

            Tracked (monitored) by the CDC and USAMRIID, since 1979:

            Unclassified (certain dates, sources, terms omitted)

            Cuban Military Engineers building Military Bases at Africa. Who in turn solicited African Prostitutes. The African Prostitutes ate monkeys with green sores. The Cuban Military Engineers returned to Cuban with an incureable unidentified disease. They were placed in hospitals (quarantined) or placed into prisons. During the "Cuban Boat People" exodus the infected were released. With the first known incident of the unidentified disease occuring at Florida. This unidentified disease was then monitored to the Northern US Cities and spread rapidly. Active samples indicated that this was a "blood borne pathogen" with a high mortality rate. Nothing was successful in curing this unidentified disease, only the symptoms could be treated (mitigate pain and suffering). Monitoring indicated that the unidentified disease had infected the Western US. Containment attempts were too late (not funded). The methodology of the unidentified disease were studied in attempts to find a cure. This disease weaken the physical capabilities of the host, eventually destroying the hosts auto immune response capabilities. So the unidentified disease was named Acquired immune deficiency syndrome, AIDS. It was later researched that the trigger was a virus that primarily infected primate hosts, later named human immunodeficiency virus, HIV.

            Note do not blame the Haitians. The Cubans went on R&R (Vacation) there after returning from Africa.

            IF YOU ARE TIRED OF ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS (ANY):

            Contact US President:

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

            Contact Congress:

            http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

            To all the Illegal Immirgrants that do this, include your real name, real address and your illegal status.

            If you feel that the Article misrepresented the Mexicans ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS as LEGAL IMMIRGRANTS and not as ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS.

            Contact:

            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28037762/

            • 2 votes
            #1.92 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:34 PM EDT
            david-475776

            As a preemptive comment. To those saying that we do not have the capability to get the ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS out of the US.

            Think about the changes to the US Codes (Laws) pertaining to the operating in the US. Especially, the Federalization under US NORTHCOM of the National Guard of every State, also the withdrawal of the US Military at Iraq that will have nothing else to do.

              #1.93 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:43 PM EDT
              tyler

              Comparing Jesus to these dirty leeches crossing the border in the middle of night just shows that you are probably one of them.

              Don't do this, John5796-791151. You can't tell somebody's race or leech-like quality through a monitor. Mind #1 of the Code of Honor:

              Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

              Break it again and you're suspended.

              • 3 votes
              #1.94 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
              Cynthia Sue Timko

              The racism, division and hatred being perpetrated is so terribly discouraging, I wonder what has happened tho "the Greatest Country in the World". Ignorance, too,often self-imposed, is all over the airwves and people listen in rapt attention, willingly being told who to blame for all the world's problems. "Hooray Alex Jones"? Where does he get his "information"? I would really like to know. Same with Michelle Malkin. I suppose that they believe that the prime sources of public health information are all involved in a conspiracy, which, even if it were true, is not working so well. The flu in this country seems to be so mild that a lot of people probably never knew orknow they haveit. Mexico has taken the brunt of the flu, hasn't been very successful at getting it across the border, except by way of tens of thousand of American kids who may have come back with it from their spring break trips plus a few business travelers and other tourists. Gee, you can't blame it on Muslims or Jews, who do not eat pork for religious reasons (and you can't get it from eating pork anyway), so some people have to find someone else to blame and express it in the meanest and grossest words possible. That guy who was suspended should be fired! He is doing the equivalent of shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater and then pointing out who to beat up on once everyone is out, regardless of any real evidence. I am really sad for this country. And don't tell me I'll be sadder after Obama has been in office a little longer! I've heard it again and again, sometimes in the most shameful, ignorant and obscene words possible!

              • 3 votes
              #1.95 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
              Greg-281912

              I wonder if these people who are strutting their racism would be willing to accept a cure, for example, from Mexico.

              This is a global issue requiring a global solution. No more and no less.

              • 3 votes
              #1.96 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
              LadyCroft

              All I can say is hopefully this issue, will help correct another. Namely the issue of illegals literally flowing into this country. It is all well and good to help people who need it, but by coming into this country illegally, these people are demanding our help instead of asking for our asisstance. This is what we get in this country for not dealing with a major problem, and making excuse after excuse as to why we don't need to fix it. Perhaps if people had more respect for this country and it's LEGAL CITIZENS we wouldn't have all of the issues that we do. Though there is little hope for that since our President has no such respect for this country, not to mention his own terroristic ideals. Points to Michael Savage for making the blind demo, . . I mean citizens of this country take a minute to think.

              • 1 vote
              #1.97 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
              fire-them-all

              Alex M.-539592

              “No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!” conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu. “And that starts in the restaurants" where he said, you “don’t know if they wipe their behinds with their hands!”

              Don't buy any alcohol made from corn from the South Nazi states cause you don't know if those Nazis given their cosins enemas and water-boarded them to interrogate their asses with it first.

              {"commentId":6832189,"threadId":"567999","contentId":"2760759","authorDomain":"coolsoftware11"}

              #1.62 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:31 PM EDT

              So everyone who lives in the south is a Nazi? That's the same thinking that derives racism, so doesn't that make you the same as the racists you hate so much?

              • 1 vote
              #1.98 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
              schwannomin

              I just hope Hispanic-American citizens are on this board. I hope they remember which political persuasion is calling them leeches, filthy, etc. These hideous talk show hosts, politicians, and message board trolls say it's about illegals. But let's be honest, they don't check your ID before the slurs start. They just take one look at you and the choice is already made.

              F**K the racist right and Happy Cinco de Mayo!

              • 2 votes
              #1.99 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
              SGB-958337

              I love how people make up something (that illegal immigrants are spreading the flu- when all of the facts so far demonstrate the spread of the virus through normal immigration patters). Then someone else bulds a completely ridiculous story on that lie- that this is germ warfare by the omnipresent "terrorists."

              If terrorists could manufacture a bug, they would probably use smallpox or something a little more deadly. It makes no sense to manfacture a flu. Plus, there is no evidence of the swine flu being a weaponized product that has been engineered for lethality and easy transmission.

              Seriously people- get a grip.

              • 2 votes
              #1.100 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
              Joe F Las Vegas

              This is where the neo-cons really show their true colors

              • 2 votes
              #1.101 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:56 PM EDT
              SGB-958337

              Unfortunately, ground zero for this swine flu happens to be Mexico. The WHO has determined that, not a bunch of bigots. That being said, it only makes sense to test those who have been in Mexico recently for the disease, and quarantine/treat them if needed.

              You neglected to mention the fact that the WHO and other infectious disease experts also said that border closings will not work.

              • 3 votes
              #1.102 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:58 PM EDT
              david-475776

              And to those that say that precautions including biocontainment, like closing the borders is panic or overreacting, as large scale biocontainment, with small scale being the closures of schools. Biocontainment as part of the WHO, CDC, USAMRIID, and other Agencies Plans has been a Standard Procedure since the avian flu (and the real reason it was stopped from becoming a Pandemic).

              What are you going to say if this turns into a true Pandemic, since this has already been proven lethal. "Sorry made a mistake", "oops". (Tell that to all the people that have already died, that this is non lethal).

              The question about some countries destroying their pigs (livestock) brings up the question, what if they were tested and proved positive of having the virus.

              Point is overreaction might cost more money, have more restrictions; but, which is better, err on the side of caution or die from not doing enough. Like the not enough that was not done when the "unidentified" disease spread from Africa to Cuba then to the US and then the rest of the world, now known as AIDS/HIV. Don't believe it then talk to all those that now have AIDS/HIV. Also ask them about their everyday lives, including being instructed not to go to confined crowded places as part of their everyday lives (that VP Biden was critized for stating as a fact in minimizing the risk of getting the Mexican Flu (named for epi center like all predecessor viruses).

              • 1 vote
              #1.103 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:01 PM EDT
              fire-them-all

              tyler

              Comparing Jesus to these dirty leeches crossing the border in the middle of night just shows that you are probably one of them.

              Don't do this, John5796-791151. You can't tell somebody's race or leech-like quality through a monitor. Mind #1 of the Code of Honor:

              Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

              Break it again and you're suspended.

              {"commentId":6835487,"threadId":"567999","contentId":"2760759","authorDomain":"tyler"}#1.93 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT

              I agree but I think you may be a little one sided about this. Check this out, there's a lot of this today and nobody has anything to say about it.

              Alex M.-539592

              “No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!” conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu. “And that starts in the restaurants" where he said, you “don’t know if they wipe their behinds with their hands!”

              Don't buy any alcohol made from corn from the South Nazi states cause you don't know if those Nazis given their cosins enemas and water-boarded them to interrogate their asses with it first.

              {"commentId":6832189,"threadId":"567999","contentId":"2760759","authorDomain":"coolsoftware11"}

              How about a little even handedness!

              • 1 vote
              #1.104 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
              George-St. Petersburg, FL.

              Obviously the "monitor" is employed by MSNBC. Why would they censor ideas they agree with? Please, haven't you been watching the "main stream" media for the past 18 months??

              • 1 vote
              #1.105 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:08 PM EDT
              Chris-537131

              The Republicans seem to be having a great deal of fun with Nancy Pelosi, but seldom seem to do their fact-checking.

              1) She opposed the building of the border fence for two reasons: it spilt a number of cumminities in two, hurting them economically and it was too expensive and too large to actually accomplish. Over her objections, in 2005, President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act requiring the construction of fencing along the 2,000-mile border. The plans called for about 370 miles of fence and 200 miles of vehicle barriers, including concrete barriers, by the end of 2008. It was started, only a very small part of it completed, and it ran out of money and Bush quietly discontinued the effort. It was ineffective because immigrants just climbed over it with ladders and the towns effective were successful in getting it stopped there. Looks like Nancy was right, doesn't it.

              2) Yep Nancy Pelosi came out strongly against requiring hospitals being required to report illegal immigrants on several accounts: it was considered dangerous to withhold medical treatment from people because they did not have papers with them, hospitals do not have the additional personnel to deal with the paperwork or the means to hire them, it is inviolation of reciprocal agreements with a number of other countries, and not giving medical treatment to people like this --- or the homeless --- or the mentally ill --- creates a reservoir of viruses and bacteria in the community that are incrdibly difficult to deal with. Only a completely asocial person would disagree with any of it.

              3) Like President Bush, Nancy Pelosi opposed every aspect of the Minuteman Project as they would have with any vigilante organization. BTW this organization raised millions that are now unaccounted for. How many illegal immigrants did they catch?????

              4) Nancy Pilosi and many other Republicans and Democrats voted for relaxing some imigration rules for legal immigrants (for example, allowing them to go home for family emergencies and return within 90 days without having to reapply) and for relaxing some of the rules for H1B's (legal skilled immigrants.) My wife is a PhD university researcher and because American colleges simply do not graduate enough PhD's to fill the needs in the sciences, she muct rely about 60% on skilled immigrants. She wrote and testified about the need to get the legal immigrant rules more realistic and in line with the country's needs. Many fields rely as much as 90% on skilled immigrants because the field of study is simply too rigorous for Americans. We import no PhD's in marine biology, however. LOL

              5) Nancy Pelosi has come out against anmesty, angering many in her own party. She said, "The estimated 12 million immigrants in the U.S. illegally "are part of the U.S. economy. We cannot send them all home, and we cannot send them all to jail, so we have to address it. Any solution would have to be bipartisan," she said, "so it may require sacrificing some of Democrats' past priorities, such as giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship."

              6) FAIR and USBC are hate groups and really have no credibility.

              Why not check factcheck.com (very conservative) or snopes.com (moderate) to get a better idea of what is true and what just fell off Fox.

              • 2 votes
              #1.106 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT
              George-St. Petersburg, FL.

              Here's some of the ideas MSNBC supports...

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IeRxVMpyDg

              • 1 vote
              #1.107 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
              schwannomin

              As bob says in post 2, you can tell who is illegal just by looking at them and hearing that they speak Spanish.

              This, my friends, is why the racist right will no longer carry Presidential elections. People like bob are exactly the people the new 18 year-old voters read about in their history books of the 1960's South. One in the same.

              • 2 votes
              #1.108 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:19 PM EDT
              SGB-958337

              The numbers are overwhelming. Can I not choose who I avoid? We are so afraid of being labeled that we can't take precautions? Use logic, if you want to decrease potential exposure to swine flu, avoid the group withthe largest number of cases reported (Mexicans). Aside from disliking homosexuals, I avoid them b/c of the potential for AIDS, and so on in the case of other groups. Call me what you want but its got me by for 40+ years and keeps my family safe.

              I'll start off by saying that I work at an HIV/AIDS clinic. So these kinds of statements are particularly destructive, counter-productive and stupid. First of all, AIDS is not a gay disease. You're also going to have to avoid whites, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, women, men, people who received a blood transfusion in the 80's, people who were born with it and just about everyone else. Secondly, the idea that "avoiding homosexuals" will somehow make you more safe is absurd and shows an inability to grasp the most basic prevention messages that have been out there for the last 25 years or so. You can't get AIDS from casual contact. I do not have HIV. I've been working with HIV-positive people for years. We eat lunch in our clinic. We shake hands with people. One of our nurses has stuck herself accidentally with infected needles while drawing blood and not contracted the virus. The idea that you need to avoid anyone has been so profoundly repudiated at this point, that I can only assume that you are either too dull to grasp the 5th grade level prevention messages that have been out there for decades, or have traveled from a time machine from 1983 and don't know any better. Furthermore, by perpetuating the stigma of the virus on public forums, you actually help the spread of HIV because study after study has shown that HIV-stigma is a primary barrier to testing, compliance with medical appointments and the taking of medications by HIV-positive people who don't want to be judged by people expressing narrow-minded opinions like this (or vicitimized physically, mentally or in any other way). When HIV-positive people don't get tested, get medical care, or take HAART medications that lower their viral loads, they are more likely to transmit the virus. So you are helping the spread of the virus with your irrational fear and inability to form an informed opinion.

              • 5 votes
              #1.109 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
              SofiasMami

              The tin-foil hat whack-nuts are having a field day with this. Illegals caused this!!!! Terrorists caused this!!!! It's a government conspiracy!!!!

              • 1 vote
              #1.110 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT
              George-St. Petersburg, FL.

              Hey Chris,

              Thanks for the snopes tip. Feel free to read this about your hero, Nancy Pelosi. She wants to tax the stock market and "help" the illegal aliens. Wow. I couldn't find any info regarding this and Pelosi on factcheck.org (not .com)

              http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/windfall.asp

              • 1 vote
              #1.111 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
              George-St. Petersburg, FL.

              They go on to say the quotes are not hers but those of NYT reporters. No proof of this, simply speculation

              • 1 vote
              #1.112 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
              DKS-541812

              EW: Shut the hell up. You make a racist issue out of something that is completely legitimate. Ask the CDC how many cases of leprosy this country has seen since the illegal immigration issue has surfaced. The answer will frighten you considering we irradicatied the disease the last century only to have it re-surface over the last 20 years....when Reagan granted amnesty.

              • 3 votes
              #1.113 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
              SGB-958337

              Point is overreaction might cost more money, have more restrictions; but, which is better, err on the side of caution or die from not doing enough. Like the not enough that was not done when the "unidentified" disease spread from Africa to Cuba then to the US and then the rest of the world, now known as AIDS/HIV. Don't believe it then talk to all those that now have AIDS/HIV. Also ask them about their everyday lives, including being instructed not to go to confined crowded places as part of their everyday lives (that VP Biden was critized for stating as a fact in minimizing the risk of getting the Mexican Flu (named for epi center like all predecessor viruses).

              What are you talking about? People with HIV/AIDS are not instructed to avoid confined, public places out of a concern of spreading the virus. A person with incredibly low CD4 counts might be advised to be careful around other people by taking some basic common-sense precautions- not out of a concern that they might infect others, but out of a concern that common colds carried by others might hurt them through potential opportunistic infections. Even then, in the years that I have been working in the field, I have never heard of a situation where a person was advised to avoid confined spaces.

                #1.114 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:57 PM EDT
                vanillasheik

                I listened to the very show that MNSBC is talking about and they are grossley misrepresenting one of tghe quotes. The fact is that the bordershould be closed immediately and that the new swine flu along with a virulent new strainof TB ar here now and are coming almost exclusively from mexico...check your health reports since 2005 on southwest border states if you doubt me. Why does stating this make me a racist? Not all, but a vast majority of terrorist arre islamic, an equal majority of gang criminals are hispanic and black, why does this make me any more of a racist than when it is said that a majority of serial killers are white??? these are all facts on their own, but many of you lack the intellectual self control to see what your eyes really see and you are more deadly to our way of life than any virus.

                • 3 votes
                #1.115 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
                Big D-833592

                Well Granddaddy Bush made a fortune off trading with Hitler. And now Monkey Bush Jr is the one who really opened the floodgates for illegal immigration. AND yes illegals are bringing TB, gang murders, drugs and no telling what else over here.

                And now anybody who says illegal immigration is a racist. YOu may want to take a goood look at who is bringing us open borders before opening your brainwashed mouth

                • 1 vote
                #1.116 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
                Drakkonis

                Wow, I didnt know "mexican" was a race. I been thinking all this time it was a nationality. who knew?

                • 1 vote
                #1.117 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
                Tech!.!

                The problem is liberals using this as a race card... Why do people not understand that these people are in the US illegally! They are breaking the law and there are reasons for these laws... I am not saying that immigrants do not have human rights and I am not saying that Mexicans caused this flu. However México does not have the best health care and if they can cross to boarder to a country that will give it to them for FREE (paid for by your tax dollars!) then why not. So not only will they come to the US when they are sick but they will clog up our hospitals and those that pay for health care will be the ones that suffer. If someone in your family was sick and died because they were not seen before someone here illegally... What would you think then!

                  #1.118 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:03 PM EDT
                  A REPUBLICAN

                  Emanuel 0684- I did the math! You obviously can't add! By the way thanks for sending me your email! Enjoy the porn!

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.119 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
                  BenCT

                  Awesome! I quote the Bible and my "comment is collapsed by community". Now I know I am doing something right. Even better, darling Bev found it offensive! My side is winning! Liberals are more religious than Conservatives. If you disagree, prove me wrong. Find in the Book a justification for the standard Conservative position.

                  I'm taking this all a bit personally because the Israelites were migrants into Egypt. They were "illegal" until Joseph prevailed on the pharoah. Several generations later, a new Pharoah feared that the Israelites were becoming too numerous, and would take over Egypt. You all should know this story, and the rest of it. Whether you are Jew or Christian, this is your heritage. If not, then you are neither Jew nor Christian. Then you can shut the he l l up about family values.

                    #1.120 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:33 PM EDT
                    Karen in Los Angeles

                    Frankly - I was wondering when someone would make the connection.

                    We who live in border states with Mexico, who want illegal aliens deported, are concerned with all these illegals who:

                    bring disease here

                    don't follow our traffic rules and cause terrible accidents and deaths

                    don't obey our laws at all

                    don't speak English

                    So - for you all who think this is racist, a big whoopido to you. I would rather be called a racist than be killed by an illegal alien who can't read a stop sign, or doesn't really believe he has to obey our laws.

                    • 3 votes
                    #1.121 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:37 PM EDT
                    bigazonie

                    I guess you missed the RACIST remark uttered by some high-placed Minister in Mexico just a few days ago.

                    I was waiting to see how long it would take Calderone and his cadre of flyng monkeys to find some way to blame the US...and perhaps put their hand out for a "handout" again.

                    Here it came....the Minister blamed it on the US by saying that the SWINE flu began in Mexico at a pig farm/slaughter house owned by SMITHFIELD, who is an American company with off-shore plants in Mexico.

                    Mexico wants masks, vaccine and any other freebie they can suck out of us.

                    And idiot reporters file stories like this one to make us feel GUILTY? They think this is RACISM? HATE?

                    HA HA, good try, but it doesn't work anymore.

                    ind someone who cares to carry the Guilt Cross 'cause the American population ain't buying into it.

                    • 2 votes
                    #1.122 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:48 PM EDT
                    Bev-341827

                    Well Ben-It sounds more like I struck a nerve with you! It takes several people to collapse a post.

                    The community loves GOD, it's weaklings who use GOD to manipulate others that people don't like.

                    Oh, you do know threatening someones life via internet is a Federal offense right?

                    Are you feeling like the big Christian man now for threatening a child?

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.123 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:21 PM EDT
                    tim in ca.

                    hope, im not sure if you are in the correct newsvine, nobody claimed superiority and for your weeping save it for when it might serve you better, for as a new age sensetive type an oppertunity is just around the corner.

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.124 - Fri May 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT
                    BenCT

                    BEV, I hit another nerve. So you consider my brief synopsis of scripture a threat. That could mean you are beginning to fear GOD. That is good. "Fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom." Don't you ordinarily kiss your son goodnight? If you have an easy conscience there is nothing to fear, no threat. Of course, male children seem to be the ones dying of this plague. Coincidence, perhaps. As for the Federal Offense, not to worry, I'm just quoting and paraphrasing an old book. As for your love of GOD, don't proclaim it to me. Send it to another address, I don't live there yet.

                      #1.125 - Sat May 2, 2009 5:23 AM EDT
                      gissocrates

                      Yea, how dare they blame mexicans for sneaking into america! we all know that never happens! and how dare those racists blame MEXICANS for bringing a disease into the US. I mean it IS from mexico, but how dare they publish the facts!

                        #1.126 - Sat May 2, 2009 8:34 AM EDT
                        truejewel

                        *BEV.. You truly are ignorant aren't you?? Do you even know what "La Raza" stands for, I mean besides the definition you gave in your post??

                        Before you try to equate La Raza with the KKK, you really should do some research. You know, like find out about the group, etc!!

                        It's morons like yourself who put out not only racist information but SLANDEROUS info to boot!!!

                        Do you wake up in the morning thinking that ALL Hispanics are out to get you?? If so, maybe you ought to HIDE under a rock until you get a CLUE!!!

                        Peace OUT.....

                        • 1 vote
                        #1.127 - Sun May 3, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
                        truejewel

                        *KEVIN Q.. while you tried to make some good points in your post, don't you realize that many of the points you made alsocan be said about the people here legally no matter what nationality they are?? LOL

                        I have a feeling you're just racist and to prove my point, in your post, you commented on "I don't care if they're for Mexicans, as long as they do it in MEXICO", something to the effect of that. Well, would you say that about the NAACP? My guess is YES but the only reason why you didn't post about that is because we're not talking about A.A's.

                        And the last part of your post made the most sense of all..... YEP, YOU'RE right about one thing.... THE WHITE MAN TOOK this land that we now call our own FROM the Indians. I guess before all these "illegals" came running through our borders, you didn't have a problem with KNOWING that little fact now did you but NOW that you have SOMEONE ELSE to put the blame on, now you ACKNOWLEDGE IT. Wow, that truly speaks volumes..... LOL

                        Peace OUT......

                          #1.128 - Sun May 3, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
                          Bev-341827

                          Ignore BenCT, Tyler, I figured it out. He's a devil worshipper. A Satanist.

                          • 1 vote
                          #1.129 - Mon May 4, 2009 2:03 PM EDT
                          Mike-501780

                          Lots of people being blocked by the community... Speaking one's mind has become a little harsh lately. Couldn't possibly be because so many citizens of the US are unemployed, or so many citizens of the US are being displaced by illegal aliens taking their jobs, or maybe we are seeing the citizens of the US finally standing up and saying they aren't going to sit quietly and let everyone run rough-shod over them anymore.

                          Read in one of these that the illegal aliens are bring this flu across the border, and how one person interpreted it as saying the y had the flu because they were illegal aliens. Actually, i think it went like this. They have the flu virus, and, if they weren't illegal aliens (in other words not in the US illegally) they wouldn't be spreading the flu here. I support that opinion. I'll take it one step further. If you are of Mexican descent, can't speak English, and have the flu, willing to do jobs most Americans won't, you must be an illegal alien!

                            #1.130 - Sat May 9, 2009 11:57 PM EDT
                            ivan, NC

                            What many of the Mexican defenders are missing or not aditting to is this..the flu did start in Mexico..it has been spread by people that have been to mexico recently...and it is being spread by illegals and others from Mexico coming into this country....ignoring that fact will not make the flu go away.

                              #1.131 - Sun May 10, 2009 8:31 AM EDT
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                              bob-311683

                              hey illegal is illegal that means against the law. people ought to be calling ice when you see illegals. just go into wal mart and see for yourself, hear the people speaking spanish. it is against the law that is what illegal means and if it takes a influenza outbreak to get people starting to protest against illegal good for it.

                              • 21 votes
                              #2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:28 AM EDT
                              Roque-1076088

                              hey illegal is illegal that means against the law. people ought to be calling ice when you see illegals. just go into wal mart and see for yourself, hear the people speaking spanish.

                              Hey Bob,

                              I speak Spanish. So under your thinking I'm illegal. But see your thinking is stupid just like you. I was born in the USA. I am NOT of the hispanic race. Just because someone speaks the language does not mean their illeagl. Is it really illegls bring the flu here? Its my understanding that the cases in NY are from kids on spring break bring it back with them. Can you really prove that its illegals who are spreading it? Could it people comming into the US legally? So please tell me how that is the fault of illegals?

                              • 20 votes
                              #2.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:40 AM EDT
                              NIGHTWISH

                              Please explain to me how speaking Spanish in public is your manner of knowing if that person is legal or illegal? It's profiling to say the least. I guess next you would want me to say everyone that drives a pick-up is a redneck ? Plus there are a lot more Spanish speaking legals then illegals. But how do you explain this to a racist? Stay dumb. Oh and I must assume that you are anti worker because you must be buying in wal Mart.

                              • 23 votes
                              #2.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
                              jbird

                              You prove that racism knows no limit to stupid.

                              • 15 votes
                              #2.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:01 AM EDT
                              Carlos Toadvine

                              I haven't heard all this racist stuff. Freedom of speech allows the ignorant to confirm what others might only suspect. As we live we always hope that the old stereotypes will be replaced with a more thoughtful analysis. I don't think we will ever get to a point where people are respected and the scoundrels don'tuse race one way or the other to further their cause. I hope this crazy talk is isolated, I have to believe it is although the baseline is much lower than we might want to believe. Just look at the generalizations put forth by both sides here.

                              • 7 votes
                              #2.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
                              Gman123

                              Interesting that a protest against illegal aliens always is touted by leftwings as a 'racist' statement. Too bad their lives haven't been affected by the loss of their jobs to lower paid, non-tax paying humans. Our government continues to think that illegals are not the problem; I bet to differ.

                              • 13 votes
                              #2.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
                              Annoyed Citizen

                              Stupid is just Stupid and Bob is a FLAMING example of it! Just because you speak a different language DOES NOT MEAN YOUR ILLEGAL! Bob is just proving the point of how absolutely insane some of the beliefs and comments can be!

                              By the way, the town/village in Mexico that is pinpointed for having the first cases of the flu is home to a US Pork producing company!!!! What kind of comments can you spew about that BOB?

                              • 13 votes
                              #2.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:13 AM EDT
                              ming-315743

                              Bob, please expand your horizons. Get out and see the world. Everybody does not speak English my friend. Repeat after me, WE ARE NOT ALONE.

                              • 17 votes
                              #2.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
                              NIGHTWISH

                              Gman123

                              Interesting that every time a fanatical conservative wants to talk trash about other people you call it Freedom of Speech!

                              By the way I am a Conservative ( just not a blind one )

                              But I do believe that illegals should be Deported, because they are illegals not because they are different.

                              • 21 votes
                              #2.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
                              lozo 1970

                              it wasn't illlegal when these big corporations and business hired these illegals, we should go into these companies and anyone who has illegal working for them throw them in jail and take their business, so stop lying to people. 

                              • 5 votes
                              #2.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:22 AM EDT
                              susan-563738

                              I agree with you. I was a LEGAL alien from Canada and am proud to be a naturalized American. I also served in the USMC. Illegal is illegal and if you want to stay in this country try showing how important it is to you by enlisting. American troops are dying to save these illegal aliens. Also, why should they take up space in our hospitals for free when Americans who pay taxes are turned away for lack of insurance.

                              • 18 votes
                              #2.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
                              CMoore-1076169

                              The problem with people like you Bob is, you dont understand what they are talking about so you automatically ASSume they are illegal. You are extremely, extremely stupid, not ignorant but stupid! I speak five languages so I guess I too am here illegally. I ask God to please put some sense into you, and into your way of thinking. These people whom you call illegal are human just as you and I are and no matter what you say they are the hardest working people in this country and they are here to stay. You need to get to know your fellow man and not judge because when the end of the world comes you too will be judged and it may not be to your advantage. God Bless You!!

                              • 5 votes
                              #2.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
                              arebrownDeleted
                              Lisa-304520

                              bob

                              There you go with the idiot mentality that if you are speaking spanish in public you must be an illegal. When I am around Asians or other races and they are speakiing their language am I to assume they are illegals? I have been around many Mexican people that speak and understand English but many times they feel intimidated by people such as yourself and therefore feel more comfortable speaking spanish. On occasion I may say something in spanish out in public if I am with a relative and I am not an illegal!

                              • 4 votes
                              #2.13 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
                              Proud army wife-806568

                              arebrown...As a conservative republican, I may be inclined to listen to what you had to say, IF it made sense.

                              I have no idea what you are talking about, at least come up with a point of view that makes sense.

                              • 4 votes
                              #2.14 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
                              Lisa-304520

                              Nightwish

                              I agree with you. I consider myself more conservative but people like bob are giving conservatives a new name and it's not a good one.

                              • 3 votes
                              #2.15 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
                              alfie-omega

                              Interesting that a protest against illegal aliens always is touted by leftwings as a 'racist' statement.

                              Gman, no a protest against illegal immigration is not being racist but when you try to say that the outbreaks of swine flu here in North America are due to illegal immigrants is being racist or xenophobic especially when there is not one piece of data to back up the claim and more than enough data to show that the virus is being spread by people who have traveled to Mexico and brought it back or have come here LEGALLY from Mexico.

                              • 2 votes
                              #2.16 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
                              Mvindi

                              How ignorant can you be? Speaking spanish while shopping at wal-mart does not mean you're illegal! I am as American as your sorry ass, however I am BILINGUAL. How many languages do you speak? By the way, did you know that our country also makes millions from Mexican Tourist who shop at Wal-Mart and other stores? They boost the economy. By the way how many Hispanics have you seen begging for money in your streets, most likely "zero", they rather work for a low wage than beg. Now ask your self, how many white people do you see begging for money? mostly all they rather beg than work. Lazy ass!

                              • 5 votes
                              #2.17 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
                              Shawn-320384

                              Bob is a troll... If you don't feed them they will eventually wither away and die.

                              • 3 votes
                              #2.18 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT
                              winkiesixtysix

                              arebrown-don't label all republicans as racist like Bob there. This flu has NOTHING to do with race period it is geographical in nature. I don't think anyone has the right to come here illegally and stay. However this flu is NOT from illegals BOB. It came from a geographical area and is a mutation it just so happens the geographical area is Mexico. Viruses are NOT racist unlike BOB they generally don't choose who they infect. This could have happened in many places. Unlike the majority of the US and Europe most countries have areas that are extremely poor with no electricity, lack of health care and unfortunately unregulated farming. This could have happened just about anywhere on the planet it just so happens that the conditions were right at the right time in Mexico. Illegals did not bring the virus here it was brought back by quite a number of people visting Mexico, proving that it isn't racial in nature because at this point every age, race, creed and color have been affected. So arebrown do NOT lump all republicans in with BOB we aren't all racist jerks without the use of our brain cells.

                              • 2 votes
                              #2.19 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT
                              hometowngirl-510510

                              cmoore i think you insult americans when you say the illegals are the hardest working people in the country, not a lot of them, most illegals (note illegal not mexican) are lazy, aggressive moochers dropping anchor babies for the handouts, they all need removing, anyone who wants to come here and work hard needs to do it legally

                              • 8 votes
                              #2.20 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
                              Last

                              Many cases of samonella poisoning have come from the Mexicans working on vegetable farms as well. They think nothing of urinating in the fields with the vegetables. They do many jobs people in our country won't touch but they also do just as many without paying taxes and Countrywide Mortgage even has a notation on their website "no social security number required" which should be illegal for them to get a mortgage when many of our taxpayers are being foreclosed on.

                              Bilingual is good. If you go down to Florida you'll be able to understand all the filthy things the Mexicans are saying about you in the grocery store and Wal-Mart. And don't kid yourself that they aren't because my daughter is bilingual as well and heard them - to which she told them just where they could go in their own language. You will also see them scatter like a bunch of flies when someone walks in with a green baseball cap on --Immigration wears them.

                              Personally I have always felt it exceedingly rude for them to come into this country and intentionally speek their own language so people could not understand them. You will find the Japanese and Chinese do the same thing.

                              • 6 votes
                              #2.21 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:32 AM EDT
                              Carlos Toadvine

                              I find the hateful rhetoric used by either side of the political spectrum to justify their biases just as insulting as the same tactics used by the people who spread propaganda against immigrants. In my view both sides routinely misuse minorities to further their agenda. I believe in freedom and to me that means human rights. Neither side of the political spectrum has any moral authority in this area based on their record. The governments policy is to curtail ones freedoms while expanding another groups, hardly a expansion of freedom. We as a society have in our constitution the legal means to protect one group from oppression by another, this is an example of the potential tyranny of the majority and its ugly, no matter which majority is oppressing the minority.

                              • 2 votes
                              #2.22 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
                              Adela-884556

                              Bob, I am American...I speak five languages. Which of them would you consider as making me an illegal? I use them all at every opportunity in order to maintain my skill with them. Good for you, Mvindi. Oh and Bob by the way? I am Native American, so I guess you speaking English in my land could make you, er...illegal?

                              And hometowngirl, my brother in law is from Mexico (came legally, has waited fourteen years and is finally a citizen, and couldn't be prouder or more willing to uphold the laws of this land). He disowned his brothers who came up ILlegally to try and find work here. They ended up living on the street and were honestly some of the cleanest, hardest-working people I know. They eventually went back to Mexico with some money, married, and are now back working on their citizenship, legally. You just can't generalize about people. There are all kinds, in every country. I know a lot more white Welfare recipients than I do Hispanic ones, and they are mostly on drugs too. That doesn't make us a country of white, drug-using Welfare recipients.

                              • 11 votes
                              #2.23 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
                              icepick151

                              hometowngirl; there is little to no legitimate data to back up your assertions. Any evidence to your claim is anecdotal at best and we all know people love to exaggerate. Speaking of anecdotal evidence, having worked in the construction industry in southern California for over ten years I have had the opportunity to work with countless immigrant laborers and I have yet to find one that didn't like a damn machine. I recognize the flow of undocumented immigrants across the border is an issue that needs to be addressed, but for you to make the points that you have only show you to be ignorant of the realities surrounding this issue and/or ethnocentric bordering on xenophobic/racist.

                              • 4 votes
                              #2.24 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
                              Shellie-552631

                              Last, I pitty you and those who think like you. You cling to your fear that illegals are here taking jobs and not paying taxes and consuming up all the wonderful American entitlements but you never question the Americans they are working for and wonder just how it is that AMERICAN business is getting away with not paying tax on that employee. Do you have any clue what so ever how that works? You stomp your feet and whine like a todler and spew any and everything you have heard somewhere else when you have not botherd to take 5 minutes to verify if anything you are saying is accurate or just making you look like a babbling idiot. You have an issue with the use of foreign lauguages being used in public but you prove that you do not have a firm grasp on the English language (I ssume English is your native tongue) as evidenced by the spelling and structure of your posts. All I can do is shake my head and pitty you and those like you and wonder what kind of world it is that you must live in where knowledge, logic and facts are completely absent and you rund constantly on nothing but manufactured fear and fiction.

                              • 4 votes
                              #2.25 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:17 PM EDT
                              arebrownDeleted
                              Neesy08

                              What about the European illegal immigrants? Do yo want ICE to arrest them too? The media has stereotyped this as being a Latino problem. Their are illegal's from all over the world living in the US, but the media never discusses them.

                              • 2 votes
                              #2.27 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:22 PM EDT
                              NIGHTWISH

                              .

                                #2.28 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
                                flyingspacemonkeyfiststyleDeleted
                                shartexas

                                Hmmm....so we go from illegal immigrants to "dirty" illegal immigrants and "drug-using" illegal immigrants, so of course it then appears to be a racist issue and not a legitimate issue. But it's different when you have seen areas that have become "Little Mexico," where you see many, many illegal immigrants working at their jobs in restaurants, construction companies, and elsewhere. They are sending their kids to the local schools, using the local healthcare systems, etc., and potentially taking jobs from U.S. citizens, yet they do not pay income taxes, and it is the U.S. citizens who are the ones paying for these services. They refuse to learn English, so people looking for jobs in those areas are forced to be able to speak Spanish. The schools must provide bilingual education, the cost of which takes services away from all the students. This is a legitimate problem that must be solved, whether it is by making these people legal -- and forcing them to learn English and pay taxes -- or keeping them out of the country. It should probably be a little of both.

                                • 3 votes
                                #2.30 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:30 PM EDT
                                Freedom Writer-801740

                                neesy yes if they are illegal, I dont care where they are from. And if you read some other articles you will see its not just mexicans sneaking across our unprotected border they have found many a prayer cloth and the only ones i Know that use those are muslim. So its not just about mexicans, its about illegals period, but this news item is about swine flu, which has been proven to come from mexico, so logic would state dont go to mexico dont hang around mexicans until the virus is contained.

                                • 4 votes
                                #2.31 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:30 PM EDT
                                alfie-omega

                                Personally I have always felt it exceedingly rude for them to come into this country and intentionally speek their own language so people could not understand them. You will find the Japanese and Chinese do the same thing.

                                Last, kind of like when Americans travel abroad and expect everyone in foreign countries to speak English. And if you don't think it happens, I spent 20 years in the Air Force traveling around the world and heard time and again to not be a typical American and expect other to speak English but to at least try and use the local language. I can't remember how many shop owners would bend over backwards to help me when I tried (mostly failed) to use my limited linguistic skills.

                                If people of other races, cultures, countries, etc...want to speak their language to each other I have no problem with that. Should English be the primary language here in the US? Yes, but I don't expect everyone to speak only English all the time.

                                • 3 votes
                                #2.32 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
                                Carlos Toadvine

                                If bigotry and racism were not bipartisan we wouldn't be talking about it. Both party's are willing to divide the electorate through inflammatory rhetoric at any oopportunity. They do it here and will do it again sooner than later. Partisans have no ethics or ideals just a love of power

                                  #2.33 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
                                  Kevin Q

                                  Ready for a fresh look at illegal immigration.....start enforcing the law's we have, and kick the illegal immigrants out of the country and let Mexico or whatever country their from, put them all to work. We have 9 to 12 million American's out of work right now and they need jobs. I'm sure they'll be willing to do anything to get a paycheck to feed their kid's or save their home. People are sick and tired of illegal immigrants using gov't services paid for with our tax dollars and if you legalize 12 to 20 million undocumented workers they will be eligible for Social Security in 10 years (or 40 quarters) and reap the benefits we American's have been working our whole life for and will be lucky to get after illegals have drained the system dry. Round 'em up and kick 'em out.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #2.34 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
                                  Kat-343963

                                  Wow Bob I am gonna start speaking My native Cherokee language in public and see where it lands me.. Back on the reservation maybe or slaughtered???

                                  I agree the Illegals need to be removed, however I also agree many are here legally and speak other languages, I would like for them to learn English, However there is no law that says they must and no law that says I must learn theirs.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #2.35 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
                                  SHOWSTOPPER

                                  Under your view of spanish-speaking people, then everyone in Spain is illegal.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #2.36 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:43 PM EDT
                                  dewintre200

                                  I have a question:

                                  Lets suppose illegal aliens are not importing swine flu.

                                  Does that mean we shouldn't enforce immigration law?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #2.37 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:07 PM EDT
                                  Greg-281912

                                  I'm thankful we have people like Mike Savage who show the world what the term "racism" really means.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #2.38 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
                                  winkiesixtysix

                                  Kat-While it is true you are not required to learn spanish.......but just try to get a job in a state with a large hispanic population and not be able to speak spanish...it is tough I have been looking 7 months and every job I apply for wants to know if I can speak spanish........they don't inquire if I can speak English though. They aren't required to speak english.......what I want to know is why not. First of all to become a citizen you are required to learn to read, write and speak english. Since there is such an enormous hispanic population that can't speak even the slightest amount of english it comes to mind how did they manage to get here? How do they get around daily.......because the government is requiring things to be posted in their language. Since you are supposed to speak, read and write english to be a citizen and should be required to be one to get all the free services like welfare, wic, tanf, food stamps social security why are any of these documents written in ANY other language but english? The fact is that the government has circumvented the law that it requires people to be citizens to get these services by making it illegal for the workers to inquire the legal status of those applying for them and then having the forms available in something other than english and the language that happens to be is almost always spanish. I work in hospital billing and the ONLY other language that the forms for free services are in besides english is spanish.......if you are going to provide them in other languages they should be in every single language on the planet. They say not providing them in spanish is racist well if that is true then not providing them in German, italian, chinese, japanese, swahili, hindi.....need I go on should be considered racist as well. The liberal groups have put it out there that not kow towing to the hispanics is racist but every other group on the planet is required to learn english. Every other group of immigrants that have come here including my family from italy in the 1860's who immigrated legally and waited their turn in line they learned english. My great great grandparents didn't get one dime in freebies from the government they expected NOTHING from this country except the freedom they got. They were proud to be called AMERICANS they did not precede there american status with italian american they were just americans. They worked hard, came here legally and earned their own way. They got no handouts no free medical, food, housing and everything written in italian. Unfortunately the liberals will have us all believe that it is our job and responsiblity to learn spanish and have everything in their language to make things easier for them. If they want to be here so badly they should make the effort and learn the language period just as my ancestors did. As a previous poster noted the politically correct don't want people referring to illegals as illegal they want us to call them undocumented and act as if they aren't criminals. They may not be violent criminals but criminals they are none the less. Bernie Madoff isn't violent bet he is a criminal in every sense of the word. Crossing the border illegally is AGAINST THE LAWS of the US. It is against the law in every country of the world you are illegal if you cross into Canada without going through immigration. If you cross into Mexico without going through immigration you are illegal there too. The liberal leftist lemmings want to soften the name illegal to further their agenda of amnesty. We already did amnesty in the 1980's and continued to do absolutely nothing about securing our borders and upholding our immigration laws. What has it led to an enormous influx of illegal immigrants hoping that we remain stupid enough to grant ANOTHER amnesty and continue to hand out more free services paid for by the american taxpayer. Services which the majority of legal americans citizens can't even qualify to get.

                                  That being said this flu virus has nothing to do with illegals at all. Those people trying to link it to illegals are just not thinking and are actually going to lose credibility to the fight of getting the illegals to leave and the borders being secured. The liberals will use this against us and say we are being racist which will lead to less and less control of the border and more and more ways for illegals to be allowed to stay here. So please stop using this to validate the border security it will only serve to weaken our stance in the end. The reason to secure our borders and expel illegals are already spelled out in the existing laws of this country.......it is illegal to cross the border and not go through immigration period and it matters not what country you come from. This is reason enough to secure our borders. This flu has zero to do with race period.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #2.39 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
                                  SGB-958337

                                  cmoore i think you insult americans when you say the illegals are the hardest working people in the country, not a lot of them, most illegals (note illegal not mexican) are lazy, aggressive moochers dropping anchor babies for the handouts, they all need removing, anyone who wants to come here and work hard needs to do it legally

                                  Hometowngirl- remind me never to go to your hometown. I might catch stupid.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #2.40 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
                                  david-475776

                                  ming-315743 - Everybody does not speak English my friend.

                                  They do if they want to pass the US Citizenship test. After Manditory ESL Classes.

                                  alfie-omega - having lived all over the world, I too have made the attempt to learn the language, culture, customs of each country that I lived at. However if you were in the US Military, you have also seen all the people from other Countries attempting to Legally earn their citizenship by serving in the US Military.

                                  Should English be the primary language here in the US?

                                  I has been and is possibly legal US Code (Law).

                                  Being somewhat multilingular (now including Farsi) I see people doing what was mentioned about others "discussing" other races in other languages, I know I did it myself while at Germany attending gymnasium (ask Pater (Peter) about how Germans feel about Gastarbiters (Guest Workers), which for the same reason I should have cussed him out in Deustche for being a racist NAZI). We would mix French, German, Spanish, English, etc. so that "others" would not understand anything. I have heard people speaking in other languages putting down those that could not understand them, and told them where on my body to kiss. Then they conviently say that they were not talking about me, eventhough, I was the only one around.

                                  SHOWSTOPPER - Under your view of spanish-speaking people, then everyone in Spain is illegal.

                                  They do not have Walmarts at Spain. And before we start discussing our (US) "racisim" how about those Portugese that the Spanish seem to hate. All countries have this, you just had to have lived there, learn their lanugage, culture, customs. Even the Mexicans do not love the Gutamalians; proven by their shoot to kill on the Mexican southern border.

                                  BACK ON TOPIC

                                  WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GEOGRAPHIC BIOCONTAINMENT. NOT RACISM. That these people in the article are ignorantly making a racial issue or Political. And NOT the Science with Biocontainment being used at Mexico City, examples: Closures of businesses, schools, etc.. And physical biocontainment, wearing masks (hopefully N95 as other would be useless as I previously posted on another newsvine forum), isolation, washing hands.

                                  If you want to say Rights; ok, as applied to LEGAL US Citizens not ILLEGAL IMMIRGRANTS. Before you say "humanitarian" then look at your own country first, change yours first, don't change ours to yours until you become a Legal US Citizen (that is called subversion). "Man or woman up" to the responsibilities of being a citizen of your Country, change your own Country first if you don't like it or don't have opportunities.

                                  You do something illegal in your own Country what happens, China executed for "crimes against the people". Mexico imprisoned. Germany imprisoned. Italy imprisoned. Spain imprisoned. Iran executed. Iraq executed. Afghanistan executed. Pakistan executed. Philipines imprisoned. Africa executed. And the imprisonment I am talking about is not the Holiday Inns of the US, they would be considered worse than Gitanimo.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #2.41 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
                                  Kat-343963

                                  Winkie,

                                  I do hear you and totally agree, my family also had to learn English, Like you I consider myself an American but by the Govt. says I am Native American.

                                  You make a valid point on the forms as well, I wish you good luck on job, I am watching my grandchildren struggle to get/or keep there jobs as well, and they are saying exactly what you have.

                                  I actually intend to post on the subject til I read Bob's post and was stunned with his thinking and let me tell ya not much stuns this old woman LOL, but what you have said makes sense to me.

                                    #2.42 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:59 PM EDT
                                    truejewel

                                    *HEY BOB... did it ever occur to you that there ARE Hispanics that speak Spanish who are NOT illegals? LOL

                                    My Gosh, the stupidty of some just astounds me!!! I guess out of every one Bob, you can go into a store and pick out every illegal just by looking and hearing them speak eh? Well, I think if you're that damn good, maybe the Gov. should put YOU at the borders so you can pick them out BEFORE they enter the US. ?? Then after you've picked out every "illegal", let's see how fast those people file suit against YOU and the Gov. LOL What a moron

                                    Peace OUT.....

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #2.43 - Sun May 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
                                    truejewel

                                    *KEVIN Q.. Yeah, NOW the Americans you speak of WANT TO WORK, now that our economy is in the state that it's in but before that, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO so WHO did the work that those Americans didn't want to do? Yes you've guessed it.... MEXICANS!!

                                    That's a little ass backwards isn't it?? But then again, why am I surprised. ?? LOL

                                    You talk about "illegals" taking Gov. aid, etc but don't you realize that there are just as many WHITES, ASIANS, A.A.'S, ETC "legals" that take it as well?? And they took it even before this crisis happened and they'll continue to do so once it's over but to get a "brain" like you to understand something like this, well, it's not going to happen for 2 reasons.... 1. YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT and 2. YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT!!! Actually there's a 3rd reason... you're just plain out RACIST!!! *rolling eyes*

                                    Peace OUT....

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #2.44 - Sun May 3, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
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                                    JM387

                                    130 people out of 250 million....oooooooh I'm scared! Get a LIFE America

                                    • 15 votes
                                    #3 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:29 AM EDT
                                    rdollie

                                    EXACTLY!!! I blame the media for mass hysteria. This strain of flu seems to have infected and killed A LOT FEWER people than the typical strains we see during flu season. The only thing different is it is occuring outside flu season and some of the victims don't fit the profile of those with compromised immune systems.

                                    I see NO reason whatsoever for the mass hysteria and even the CDC is contributing now which is sad. Can anybody show data showing this is worse than typical flu strains? If so please share otherwise I say it's all blown out of proportion.

                                    • 14 votes
                                    #3.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
                                    Munsta Boy

                                    It only took one wooden horse to take down Troy. LOL!

                                    • 9 votes
                                    #3.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
                                    soybean101Deleted
                                    George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                    I think our current VP has a little responsibilty after his comments yesterday for adding to the hysteria. What a clown, and to think, people made fun of Palin. I am no more secure in thinking Biden is one heartbeat away from the Presidency...

                                    • 8 votes
                                    #3.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:19 AM EDT
                                    rdollie

                                    soybean101, I think you made too large a leap in logic. I said the CDC is contributing to the hysteria - nothing about them not doing their job. They have a responsibility to monitor, support, and set guidelines to deal with these things. Having multiple press conferences per day in the absence of data saying this is worse than a typical flu is wreckless and irresponsible. How you get to the idea that I'm racist from my post is beyond me.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #3.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
                                    Miss Brown Eyes

                                    Exactly JM387!!!

                                    The leftist USA news media pandered to the current administration's wiffle waffling "oh it's not serious" Obama then "it's super scary" Biden tactics! My thinking is that it was a great excuse/cover-up to hurry up and confirm Sebelius as Dept. of Health Human Services Secretary when she couldn't get clearance before.... but we have to hurry up and get her in to the job!

                                    (By the way, for all of you non-Kansans out there... best of luck!! We're glad to be rid of her and she's just as dirty as the rest of the administration!)

                                     

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #3.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:28 AM EDT
                                    BenCT

                                    The story was interesting because of the racist angle. Unwashed hordes and all that. Same with bird flu, "the yellow peril". What a pathetic nation. Before some ignoramus tells me "love it or leave it" or "go back where you came from" - I come from the Mayflower, newjack. Used to be people talked about a "shining city upon a hill." Now it's a trailer park on a hill of beans.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #3.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
                                    Walt-372714

                                    Soybean you should reread rdollie's comments, yours sound far more predjudiced and uninformed than anything rdollie said.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #3.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:55 AM EDT
                                    George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                    BenCT,

                                    It's self hating country hating people like you in CT and other blue states that spew hatred and disdain for OUR country. What is pathetic is your total lack of any idea or insight other than "what a pathetic nation". You sir are pathetic, as far as I'm concerned you can go to h-ll

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #3.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
                                    Chris-537131

                                    If you look back at the Spanish flu as a profile. It came on strong in come places initially and not as strong in others. Then it was coming on strong everywhere. Then it seemed to go "dormant" for a year and cases dropped greatly. Then it came back stronger than ever.

                                    I read somewhere once that you have to think of bacteria as hard drives and viruses as floppy disks. Bacteria have the ability to store and "learn" great numbers of things, such as drug resistance, and store them becoming gradually more powerful. Viruses, on the other hands, are barely even living organisms and can store only limited amounts of information. Their floppy disk is always full. In order to pick up a new trait, such as airborne transmission, a virus must usually drop another trait such as virulence. While bacteris seems to learn new tricks as a result of conditions imposed on them (such as antibiotics), viruses are constantly mutating, dropping one trick and picking up another. Eventually viruses stumble across a combination that human immune systems cannot react effectively to and that is particularly deadly and we're off to the races. Right now, we're looking at the very early stages of a pandemic and laymen are making a lot of assumptions that epidemiologists are not making.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #3.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
                                    LS-415070

                                    Sorry, Miss Brown....but please don't speak for ALL Kansans! Not all of us are not glad to lose her as Governor!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #3.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT
                                    Stacey and tired of the lies

                                    George - St Petersburg FL

                                    Before you send Ben and the rest of the blue "unpatriotic states" to hell, you might want to check in with the rest of the free-loading red states. They might not want their benefactors to go away. Despite the inane rhetoric of your party, the blue states have always been donor states (federal tax dollors per federal spending in those states is greater than 1) while the welfare, weath redistribution beneficiaries, and socialists red states have ben accepting our largesse.

                                    Citizenship is hard work and without it democracy fails. Blind sheep don't serve a democracy they serve dictatorship or a theocracy. You might be happier in the middle east.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #3.12 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
                                    Last

                                    George-St Petersburg, FL I have to agree with that Biden opens his mouth and nonsense spews out but with him in #2 spot that is not my reason for not feeling he's a good choice. No that would be 2 anurism operations and the real possiblity that he could keel over any minute.

                                    AreBrown - you have no knowledge to share. Why not try studying up on your Democrats instead. Nancy Pelosi's association with AIG for instance.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #3.13 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:43 AM EDT
                                    George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                    Stacy,

                                    "the blue states have always been donor states (federal tax dollors per federal spending in those states is greater than 1) while the welfare, weath redistribution beneficiaries, and socialists red states have ben accepting our largesse. "

                                    Source? Perhaps you should break that down to a city level. Let's see which cities paid more or received more...

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #3.14 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
                                    George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                    Last,

                                    Can you imagine if the President had just told us all to stay off planes and subways?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #3.15 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:15 PM EDT
                                    Shellie-552631

                                    George- why are you asking Stacy for sources? You are posting here are you not able to Google and get the info for yourself? That is what kills me, people demand sources and facts. Are you saying that you are unable to do this on your own and need someone else to do it for you? Before you decide to respond with some hateful insult understand that I am asking a ligitimate question.

                                      #3.16 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT
                                      George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                      I am not a hateful, and I normally provide the courtesy of giving a source for any info I quote. I guess you and Stacy can't or aren't willing to provide the same. I looked, couldn't find it and asked for her source. Perhaps you can since she decided not to.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #3.17 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:44 PM EDT
                                      SHOWSTOPPER

                                      Yay, finally a smart person. People at my school were freaking out that a person in the US died of the flu. They didn't realize it was a 2-year old Mexican citizen who has an underdeveloped immune system like any other child.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #3.18 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:46 PM EDT
                                      BenCT

                                      George,

                                      Grrrr, I'm scared. Are you going to send me to hell? Many have tried - I don't have a scratch, thanks GOD. I love my country and that's why I criticise it. A country is a geographical unit, usually associated with a political system. A State is a political entity, in simple terms, Executive, legislative, judiciary branches, and a military. A Nation is a group of people who identify as being some sort of unity. Let me repeat

                                      What a pathetic nation.

                                      There is no unity. There is no vision. There is no compassion or sense of guilt. Old man, I don't care how many years you served in the military, you are not a source of pride, but of embarresment.

                                        #3.19 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:27 PM EDT
                                        George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                        Nope, not me, I'm sure you'll find a way there all by yourself. Never served in the military, my parents did and perhaps that's part of the reason I love my country. I'll agree with you on one thing, if the current Admin gets their way the next 18 months to 3 1/2 years, it will be a pathetic nation in their wake. Totally agree there is no unity and certainly no call for it from the left. Just look at 90% of liberal posts here. Same with 90% of conservatives.

                                        It's people like you that have already given up that are the embarrassment.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #3.20 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
                                        david-475776

                                        Chris-537131If you look back at the Spanish flu as a profile.

                                        You little racist you. You cannot call it the "Spanish" Flu. You have to call it, Influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Just like you cannot call this the Mexican Flu (named after the epi center like all other viruses, like ebola reston, ebola zaire, ebola marburg).

                                        Which brings up another point "H1N1", sound familiar. As noted at the Mexican epi center, Mexico City, it was the same age range that is being affected by the Mexican Flu as the Spanish Flu. (with the young boy surviving).

                                        So if this does turn into a pandemic it will be the very young (babies), 16-40 year olds that die. With the young 5-15 and old 40+ surviving.

                                        So those in the 16-40 year old range saying that they are panicking, ok. LOL.

                                          #3.21 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:34 PM EDT
                                          BenCT

                                          George, I'm fighting for the soul of my country and you call that giving up! A little harsh criticism is sometimes necessary. And people should be able to feel shame for their words and deeds, rather than puff up all self-righteous.

                                          What are Conservatives fighting for? That things should stay the same? Well then we might as well re-invade VietNam and start the Cold War over again. We live in a constantly changing world, and it is a new century.

                                          Democrats fight for change for the better, and a better century. If you think the 20th century was so great, what about two World Wars? And the Spanish Flu evryone is talking about. And segregation. Many other things as well. Let's work together to make a better world for our children and grandchildren.

                                            #3.22 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT
                                            david-475776

                                            George-St. Petersburg, FL. Vice President Biden only said what is told to HIV/AIDS patients. And what the WHO, CDC, USAMRIID, etc. has said and what Mexico has already done or said. Biocontainment.

                                            Biocontainment- what do you think it means when the Mexicans, US, other Countries are closing Schools, Offices, Businesses, etc. (as examples of limited Biocontainment). That is what closing the border means with some Countries doing more to protect their LEGAL citizens. You think that the British do things unneccesarily like wanting to order a few million N95 type masks (guess you have never lived at Britain). The other countries that are doing active monitoring are grabbing people "suspected" of having the Mexican Flu and detaining them for MANDITORY testing. Biocontainment irregardless of race creed color or religion is a means to slow down the spread, long enough for a cure to be developed (months from now), currently only treatments for the symptoms are available by prescription. THESE ARE NOT CURES.

                                            I hope you are either really young (not a baby) or really old (over 40) so that if this is like the 1918 Flu (Spanish Flu, Influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1) that you do not die and we can have discussion later if this does not turn into a real Pandemic.

                                            Did you notice the name techical name of the Spanish Flu, Influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1 and what the Mexican flu is.

                                              #3.23 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
                                              Stacey and tired of the lies

                                              George - St Petersburg, FL

                                              There are multiple sources but here's one - thetaxfoundation.org. You'll note that the red states federal dollars received per federal taxes paid is greater than 1 and in several cases greater than 2 whereas the blue states federal dollars received per federal taxes paid is less than one. The red states in particular should send a special thanks to CA, NY and NJ, areas which Republicans continually try to demonize, yet they contribute the most, with my home state of NJ being the biggest contributor. Texas is a donor state, but despite Mr. Delay's untruthful rhetoric the other night, just barely.

                                              Don't call me unpatriotic, I'd prefer you just keep quiet, say thanks or cut the blue states a very large check.

                                              With respect to your request for city data, I suggest you do the analysis. Independent thinking is important. Repeating radio commentary is not useful.

                                                #3.24 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:53 PM EDT
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                                                yomomma-778023

                                                this sort of thing drives me nuts. We have racist people with a forum, ie: radio/newspaper/internet, just itching to incite and inflame... and WAY TOO MANY stupid people willing to listen and follow.

                                                • 14 votes
                                                #4 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
                                                Kevin-348069

                                                You need to explain to me how speaking the truth and calling a person who is here in the US of A ILLEGALLY is racist. Too many people are falling back on this excuse out of pure laziness. Calling a spade a spade (OK a heart a heart for those who want to make something out of nothing) is NOT racist. Get a dictionary!

                                                • 13 votes
                                                #4.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:14 AM EDT
                                                lozo 1970

                                                this should teach the mexicans to never vote republican again: no matter what your catholic priest says, about abortion, vote for what is better for you next time.

                                                • 7 votes
                                                #4.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
                                                JaydoubleU

                                                And, we have (as shown by the last election) even more people who really believed that Obama meant change for the good! He said change, and now you got what you voted for. I do not fault the Mexicans who became ill, or the americans who caught it and brought it. As an independant, who was hoping Obama would actually succeed, I blame the government for not responding with expediency to the outbreak. Our government only concerns itself with poitical correctness, which is unfortunate. I have seen no real change for the good. Only more extreme liberal pushing to the far left. I really do not believe that most moderate Americans like me will allow the far left Evil to take over this country. We need to stop worrying more about offending someone than protecting someone. Protection should come first. Then we can apologize if we unintentionally offend.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #4.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:30 AM EDT
                                                Anon87

                                                It isn't Kevin, but attacking a specific group with sterotypes and shunning an entire community, even the legalized and US citizens, is truly racism. While I agree with your opinion to a degree, I'll have to inform you that its not just soley the truth, there is more to it. Take a closer look around you and not just here in the vine. There are many out there who are guilty of racism. The "illegal" issue is just a mask to some, even if it is one of the issues in this country.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #4.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:34 AM EDT
                                                kat-1015719

                                                Now, it's Obama's fault. GOD, you people are stupid!! Keep it up. Believe it or not, this is a good thing. Now, we will really see what kind of force drives the Republican party. Welcome to the Dark Side of America.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #4.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:46 AM EDT
                                                BenCT

                                                A little history for the third grade drop outs. In the beginning, all English speakers were here illegally. The Mayflower compact was draw up on Cape Cod, turning the ship into the Company responsible for exploration and settlment. That was a blatant violation of King's Law. Sir Walter Raleigh illegally founded Virginia on Spanish colonial land. He was a criminal, by the way; sat in the Tower of London, was almost hanged. Pennsylvania was granted as a haven for followers of an "illegal" religion. I know, my ancestor was thrown in Lancaster jail for being a Quaker. Georgia was founded as a prison colony. The Revolutionary War was as much about "illegal" settlement across the mountains as it was about Freedom. And we Europeans invaded the lands of Natives and made false treaties with them. Racist Whites are not Native - the are the descendants of illegal immigrants.

                                                • 6 votes
                                                #4.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
                                                GOZO-unlimited

                                                This senario was set up to cause us to fear each other.....while the CDC and Pharmaceutical Companies conspire to control our health. We are actually experiencing a health crisis Katrina where the CDC can't figure out why their flu strain isn't performing as engineered. Apparently this disease left the lab too soon. You can bet the next round will contain the intrinsic factor needed to insure rapid spread.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #4.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT
                                                Cincinnati Rick

                                                What's your problem, BenCT? Don't you know that EVERY territorial claim is traceable to superior force? If you have a problem with that, you need to find another planet.

                                                The so-called "native" Americans are not natives either. They're not even the descendents of the first human immigrants to the Americas.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #4.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
                                                addiem

                                                Hey Cincy - I don't read that he has a problem with that, rather that people need to take a lesson, to avoid that sense of superiority they are brimming with, but which is unfounded. My Germans were some of the original illegal aliens. Now, my female Scot ancestor was killed in 1794 by Indians in what is now Columbus, Ohio - but hey, stuff happens.

                                                Now, we have a burden of "illegal immigrants" from Mexico and beyond. Well, when are Americans going to stop using businesses that are hiring them? That would be a start. Some don't like the idea of a national I.D. card - but anyone have a better idea - that works? Love to hear it.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #4.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:26 AM EDT
                                                Carl-420555

                                                BenCT, If we let the illegals win then we deserve to lose. Just as we fought for freedom we must fight for our rights and citizenship. The citizens of the USA make up the USA until we give it away!

                                                • 5 votes
                                                #4.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
                                                Adela-884556

                                                BenCT--great posts. I appreciate your being here. And the fact that you are able to share relevant information. Thank you! :-)

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #4.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
                                                rightman1

                                                If you really want to see a Very Racist thing...Go to the Cinco De Mayo parade. but open your eyes and ears. and learn what Racism really is.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #4.12 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:17 PM EDT
                                                flyingspacemonkeyfiststyleDeleted
                                                skeptic-227981

                                                BenCT: Revise your history lesson lest you lead the 'third graders' astray.

                                                The Treaty of WestPhalia, signed in 1648 led to the creation of recognized nation-states. None officially existed prior. Borders changed with every war. That, by the way was 28 years after the first Pilgrims landed on North American shors and some 156 years after Columbus bumped into what he named San Salvador. Before that, around 1002 or 1003 a.d. a Norseman named Leif Erikson probably found what is now Labrador and/or the Baffin Islands.

                                                In other words, Europeans colonizing various countries could not have been 'illegals' in the modern sense. Back then, it was colonization and exploration - spreading a country's economic and political power abroad.

                                                Further, prior to the Revolution of 1776 and ratification of the U.S. Constitution in 1789, this land was considered to be a British Colony.

                                                So the tired, old, FALSE argument that those who came here were immigrants is nothing more than political pap promoted by those with the agenda of legitimizing the breaking of laws of what is NOW a sovereign nation, and use of the word 'immigrant' is inaccurate. The argument is BS and it's time to put it to rest. Come up with something original, true, and lest we fall over in shock, ACCURATE.

                                                The epicenter of this new strain of flu, if it occurred naturally, happens to be Mexico. That doesn't make Mexico bad, irresponsible, or any other negative label. However, it is a fact that illegals cross U.S. borders without first submitting to any type of physical exam - BUT LEGALLY ADMITTED IMMIGRANTS ARE EXAMINED when they arrive. THAT, BenCT, is the problem.

                                                Yes, some case of the flu occurred here as the result of some Americans ignoring the initial State Department warning not to go to Mexico around spring break time because of escalating drug cartel violence. Frankly, those who got the flu got off lucky - they didn't get kidnapped for ransom or hacked to death.

                                                Before anyone 'blames' Mexico, the origination of this new disease must be determined - as in, did it occur naturally or with a little 'help'. The media and the CDC have been conspicuously quiet on how this thing got started. People need to start listening to what is NOT being said and ask a lot of questions - not just in this case, but in all news reporting. Example: we only got word of what was already a 10 or 11 month recession after the stock market went south. How is it that all the talking heads and economic experts didn't see THAT coming sooner?

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #4.14 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:17 PM EDT
                                                BenCT

                                                Good points, skeptic, I accept your criticism.

                                                As for the Mayflower, arbitrarily turning a Royal Charter into a democracy was clearly illegal. As for the rest, I was merely pointing out the amount of lawbreaking that has occured in what we are taught was an orderly progression of "Manifest Destiny". "Manifest Destiny" carried US warships and occupation armies to Cuba and the Phillipines as well. We also arbitrarily declared war on Spain - the bombing of the Maine - so we could steal Florida. And what was our excuse to claim half of Mexico - I'm not even dealing with Texas - just the entire SouthWest and California? Wasn't there some problem with the Emperor Maximilian, relative of Napoleon? You know, the Emperor without an Army?

                                                Certainly the real reason was placer gold at Sutter's Mill. No historian disagrees with that. So why the self-righteousness. We are a rapacious, invading, expansionist, imperialist State. This is mainstream history,not Left Wing pap. Too bad many on this board never graduated high school. A little college might remove some blinders.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #4.15 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
                                                moderateandhappy

                                                Why is a Cinco de Mayo parade racist? Every year in my city we have a huge St. Patrick's Day parade and later in the year an Irish Festival, followed by an October Fes. and no-one screams about that. Why is it wrong for people to want to celebrate their heritage, regardless of what it is. America is a melting pot.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #4.16 - Fri May 1, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
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                                                sweetpea-1058674

                                                APPEALS COURT UPHOLDS RULING AGAINST SMITHFIELD FOODS FOR POLLUTING VIRGINIA RIVER

                                                Release date: 09/15/99

                                                Contact Information:

                                                UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
                                                WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 1999

                                                APPEALS COURT UPHOLDS RULING AGAINST SMITHFIELD FOODS
                                                FOR POLLUTING VIRGINIA RIVER

                                                WASHINGTON, D.C. – The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld a lower court ruling that Smithfield Foods Inc. and its subsidiaries violated the Clean Water Act by discharging illegal levels of pollutants from their slaughterhouse into the Pagan River, the EPA and the Justice Department announced today.

                                                Smithfield appealed a series of district court rulings that the company violated federal law, arguing that the United States was barred from suing the company because of an agreement between the company and the Virginia Department of Environmental Quality that allowed Smithfield to exceed its permit limits. The district court had rejected that argument and ruled that the United States could seek penalties for violations that “had a significant impact on the environment and the public.” After trial, the court imposed a penalty of $12.6 million, the largest fine ever imposed under the Clean Water Act.

                                                “The Fourth Circuit has affirmed the principle that if you break the environmental laws that protect our nation’s waters, a many million dollar penalty is appropriate,” said Lois Schiffer, Assistant Attorney General for the Environment and Natural Resources Division. “The Court affirmed that when the State of Virginia took no action to stop Smithfield Foods from illegally discharging slaughterhouse waste into the Pagan River, the federal government could take strong action to hold the company accountable. This decision is a victory for all who care about public health and the environment.”

                                                The appellate court yesterday affirmed the lower court’s ruling that the Smithfield companies were liable. The unanimous, three-judge panel held that Virginia’s agreement not to enforce the phosphorous limits did not excuse Smithfield’s violations because the agreement with the state was not part of the permit approved by the EPA. In addition, the three-judge panel upheld the lower court’s conclusion that, at the time Virginia entered into the agreement, Virginia’s state law was not comparable to the federal law.

                                                The appellate court also approved the district court’s calculation of the penalty, with one exception, meaning that the penalty assessed in the Smithfield case will stand as the largest ever under the Clean Water Act. The appellate court sent the case back to the district court only to correct the amount of money Smithfield saved by not installing the necessary pollution control equipment. The appellate court acknowledged that this error would amount to between $100,000 and $200,000.

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                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#5 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
                                                rdollie

                                                Ooohhhh....Smithfield ham...yummmmmm...

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #5.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT
                                                LoriSm

                                                This new strain of flu is not a pure swine flu~it is part swine, part bird, part human, is a new strain never before seen, is on three continents, and is definitely man-made; the real name of this strain is H1N1 Influenza A, and is being used as a bio-weapon. It could very well have been introduced into Mexico City as tourists often go there, and many college kids go to Mexico on vacation.

                                                Being against ILLEGAL immigration (whether from Mexico or any other country) is NOT being xeno-phobic, it is being patriotic. You want to come to America, do it legally, then no one will have anything to complain about. That way you can pay your taxes along with everyone else and know our laws and history so you can become one of us. ILLEGAL means just that~ILLEGAL.

                                                Has anyone realized that Baxter Corporation has been approved to make a vaccine against this new flu strain even though they got caught trying to send the bird flu around the world to start a pandemic to make money??? Anyone see the irony in all of this?

                                                You can trust the Big Pharma companies, your own government, and vaccines all you want, I'll take my chances by treating myself and my family if (ever) we get infected with this flu virus. There are things one can do: Get plenty of vitamin D3 (20 minutes of sunshine a day, more than this if you are darker skinned as it takes longer for your body to absorb the vitamin D3), plenty of raw garlic, olive leaf extract (capsules), plenty of calcium and magnesium, and eating organically so you have good nutrition and are not eating foods that are GM or irradiated (dead). A good immune system will keep you healthy and help you to stave off disease. If you should succumb to the flu, then find all the natural remedies you can so you will not be as sick and will overcome this disease.

                                                You can bet this so-called "pandemic" is man-made. Why is it that a hundred cases is now considered a "pandemic"? Why is our government our mass media trying to cause panic? Will martial law be next? There is something evil afoot and it is not just this flu virus that has been put into the world's population, it is the evilness of those who wish to cause us to lose our freedoms and our rights.

                                                This bill in Massachusetts is S18 and was rammed through without any input from constituents. Thank God, I do not live in MA! You people who do live in MA need to protest this draconian law. If not, you will continue to lose your rights. This law is in place for life, not just during this so-called pandemic.

                                                A pandemic (from , or even worldwide.

                                                Has H1N1 spread? Yes, but not in pandemic proportions. Has anyone in the USA died from this flu? One person out of over 100 cases. How old was this person? Did they have a compromised immune system? These are the things we need to look at and not get panicked over a death. I am sorry someone died from this flu, but one death does not make a situation that should cause panic.

                                                This article put out by our own CDC says that approximately 36,000 people die each year from flu-related causes and yet we have not said we have a "pandemic" because there are flu deaths every year. So why do we have a pandemic with approximately 129 people coming down with H1N1, with one death? This just shows that our own government is trying to cause a panic and trying to make the right scenario to call martial law. Don't fall for this bogus media spin. Be educated, alert, and vigilant.

                                                Lori

                                                • 4 votes
                                                #5.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:10 AM EDT
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                                                andynnj

                                                Uh, last time I checked "Mexican" was not a race, so the term "racism" doesn't apply. Maybe the author should shoot for accuracy next time.

                                                Sorry Ms. Fortner, but if you don't want "anti-immigrant sentiment" then try making them follow the law. I think what you meant to say is "anti ILLEGAL immigrant sentiment," but like the author of this article, I am pretty sure truth doesn't factor into your argument.

                                                I really don't want to hear any arguments against US views on border control and illegal immigration. Mexico has some of the strictest immigration laws in the world.

                                                  Reply#6 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:34 AM EDT
                                                  Mardi-552600

                                                  Why am I not surprised? Xenophobia is an American and Family Value.

                                                  • 9 votes
                                                  Reply#7 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:35 AM EDT
                                                  BenCT

                                                  No it's not and it must be eradicated.

                                                    #7.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
                                                    LoriSm

                                                    To say and believe this means you must not be an American yourself or you are putting yourself in this same category. On what basis do you make this charge? Your own xenophobic basis? Otherwise, you would not make such a broad and irrational charge considering that America is made up of peoples from all over the globe who are here LEGALLY. Each one of us, unless we are full-blooded American Indian, originate from people who came to this country as LEGAL immigrants at some point in the past. Everyone knows this. Americans are NOT against immigration, we are against ILLEGAL immigration. We truly need another Ellis Island and the same entry laws that were in place 100 yeaars ago (You could not be sick, a felon, without a sponsor family or a job, etc.) Is this too much to ask? We do not need people coming over here ILLEGALY who do not love this country nor consider this country theirs. No one will fight nor defend a nation that is not theirs. No one will care what happens politcally to a nation that is not theirs since they can just leave if things go bad and return to their country of origin.

                                                    Lori

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #7.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
                                                    shawn k

                                                    Lori is right. Mardi is a hypocrite 100%. True story-I worked in several Mexican restaurants. The kitchen workers were all Hispanic from Mexico, Central, and South America. At one point the Mexican owner adressed the kitchen crew and reminded them that "in America they must regularly use toilet paper and wash their hands." He explained that many workers came from rural areas in poor countries and used pit toilets and their hands, and would then rinse their hands off in cold water, because that was all that was available. The fear in this case was ecoli, not the flu of course. Either you believe that the Mexican owner was an anti-Mexican Mexican, or that he was concerned about the hygiene of his workers. Personally, I would trust the habits of Mexican-Americans who have lived here for awhile versus illegal immigrants.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #7.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:41 PM EDT
                                                    thturd

                                                    blah blah blah, Lori, stop hidding behind your words... Where and who are the "WE"? You are no different as the people who consider them as "THEM PEOPLE."

                                                    No, I with Mardi are not surprised of the amount of fearmongering and hyprocracy that goes one. It simply take events like such where stereotyping and gross generalization with hideous ignorance surface. This is good, because it becomes a teachable moment, if we chose so.

                                                      #7.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT
                                                      callalily4me

                                                      Shawn K,

                                                      You are such an liar. You will just post anything to rev up these racist people even more then they already are. I believe that the only reason you are so familiar with this paractice of hygiene is because this is exactly what you do. Stop posting your sick lies! you are probably a white american who rapes children or kills them like so many do in this country.

                                                      On another note, I went to a Mexican restaurant for lunch this afternoon. Guess what, you haters, it took me 20 minutes to place my order that's how crowded it was. I love it!!!!!!!! And I love my people!!!! I bet not too many whities can say that....

                                                      I'm so sick of all these hatemongers here that the more I read these posts the more I want to go out with all my friends tonight and start jumping on everyone that is white. I need to get my frustrations out somehow. Thanks again MSN for spewing hate in me I never thought I had. And to think not too long ago, I was proud to be an american. I see now why other countries want to blow us up.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #7.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:20 PM EDT
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                                                      jbdaad
                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      Reply#8 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:35 AM EDT
                                                      Marge-424618

                                                      That's hilarious. I heard that the pig farm in Mexico where this started is American owned. HAHAHAHAH

                                                      • 10 votes
                                                      Reply#9 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:41 AM EDT
                                                      laikabeth

                                                      Not so fast Marge. Why is it that the first knee jerk reaction of so many is to blame the U.S.? Do a little research before you propagate such vile. The pig farm that you "heard" is American owned is owned by a Mexican national. Furthermore, in Mexico it is illegal for a foreigner to own a private business without a partnership with a Mexican national. Are you one of the ones who also said that have "heard" that the U.S. government was teh one who blew up the Twin Towers? Give me a break!

                                                      • 17 votes
                                                      #9.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
                                                      Nora79

                                                      I think you are the one that's misinformed laikabeth. US citizens do OWN private businesses in Mexico, because the government is so corrupt you can buy your way in. So, there.

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      #9.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:12 AM EDT
                                                      Annoyed Citizen

                                                      Prime example of US Executives trying to fudge their way around strict standards in the US. Just relocate production to Mexico or some other country where $.02 an hour and no standards can make the head honchos more cash. Marge was on point.

                                                      • 8 votes
                                                      #9.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:17 AM EDT
                                                      Russ Collins

                                                      You're saying that Smithfield Foods is not an American company? This is where their headquarters is: Smithfield Foods 200 Commerce St., Smithfield, VA 23430 The plant in Mexican may be owned by a Mexican, but the company is most certainly American. It's all about profit at the expense of people, just like that company that was knowingly selling contaminated peanuts

                                                      • 8 votes
                                                      #9.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:19 AM EDT
                                                      GOZO-unlimited

                                                      It's amazing to me that anyone would consume prepared US food products...especially meat pumped up with serious antibiotics. At least a quarter of American people are suffering health challenges caused by consuming domestic and imported meat even though they know the risks.....so who is the ignorant one?

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #9.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
                                                      Oklahoma Guy

                                                      laikabeth, so you can explain the General Motors plant in Mexico how? Also, I am betting you heard we were saved from a terrorist attack in LA. Works both ways genius.

                                                        #9.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:17 AM EDT
                                                        addiem

                                                        Glad to see that some people are aware of the U.S. business presence in Mexico - and why.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #9.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
                                                        rightman1

                                                        It did not start at a pig farm. no pigs have tested + for it. and egypt is killing all of their pigs for nothing. the pork business will be hurting from this. cheap chops.LOL

                                                          #9.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:23 PM EDT
                                                          arebrownDeleted
                                                          dontbh8n

                                                          Regardless, if they are operating in Mexico would they not be subject to Mexican regulations and oversight? To that end, if this did originate from an "American" business in Mexico, I would still place part of the blame on the Mexican government for not enforcing or even having adequate regulations to control events and actions that led to this viral outbreak.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #9.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
                                                          BenCT

                                                          I'm starving for some venison.

                                                            #9.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
                                                            laikabeth

                                                            Wow, take a day or two off and my socialists get their panties in a bundle.

                                                            Ok, As reaffirm my statement. The pig farm is Mexican owned, whether or not it has American partnership is coincidentally. What is your premise that an American company purposely sickened a pig in hopes to sicken a child, in hopes that the child would spread the disease throughout 6 continents? Kool-Aid anyone?

                                                            "American companies going to other countries to pay cheap labor" - Yeah, I'm sure that they would much rather pay $73.00 /hr. to the overpaid Mexicans here. Maybe they could ask GM or Chrysler for some advice. Regardless, this is a product of NAFTA. You know that thing that Bill Clinton signed into law?

                                                            Someone suggested we stopped eating meat altogether. Nice. Now I'll have to argue with a PETA lover too. Better not, they might bomb me.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #9.12 - Mon May 4, 2009 6:32 PM EDT
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                                                            Jamey-370955Restored

                                                            These racists, fueled by the hatred and ignorance of Hannity, Limbaugh and cryboy Beck are just so ignorant. If terrorists wanted to infect the USA, they need not go to Mexico to do it. They simply could have started here. It's Crystal Night all over again.

                                                            • 10 votes
                                                            Reply#10 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:43 AM EDT
                                                            ObserverNYC

                                                            I was waiting for a comment like this.

                                                            Where in this article does it mention anything about Hannity, Limbaugh or Beck. You are just as bad as the racist people on the radio catagorizing people into the same group.

                                                            You are the racist and obviously need an education about what it means to be a conservative.

                                                            Not one of the news people you have mentioned has said one racist word about MEXICO or the people.

                                                            • 22 votes
                                                            #10.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:56 AM EDT
                                                            Debbie-675206

                                                            I don't listen or follow whomever you are referring to... It would be wise of you to realize it doesn't mean people are followers of anyone to be sick and tired of what is going on........... DUH. Not about RACE ;

                                                            it's about PRINCIPLE.

                                                            • 6 votes
                                                            #10.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:12 AM EDT
                                                            keep it fair

                                                            I wasn't waiting for this type of comment but sure wasn't surprised when it came on. No where in the article or in your comments do you see the VP's remarks about the swine flu outbreak and what he thinks about it. You are quick to blame people that have made NO racist remarks but yet let others off. Could this possibly be political on your part?

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #10.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
                                                            ProudTexas

                                                            Thank you Jamey - it is great to read a post from someone who studied history. For those of you who didn't - look up Crystal Night or Kristallnacht in German. Learn something about where prejudice leads you.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #10.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
                                                            rightman1

                                                            It is not Racism, it is Affirmative Action. ( Reverse Racism ). be politically correct at least.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #10.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:26 PM EDT
                                                            TigerLilly-385839

                                                            To all those Americans who are accusing one another of being racist: Go to the La Raza web site and be educated. That is where the racists are. "La Raza" means "THE RACE" and they certainly do sound like Hitler and his notion of a superior race.

                                                            They also advocate GIVING to Mexico large parts of the U. S. TO Mexico: TX, NM, CA, AZ, ect. And they brag about having politicians and college professors in their pockets.

                                                            The more we Americans quarrel among our selves, and the more times they can call us racists and xenophobes the better they like it!

                                                            Wake up, America! We are not the enemy.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #10.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
                                                            callalily4meDeleted
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                                                            snake09

                                                            Im Latino myself and they can bash us all they want. Just stand back and laugh at it. I actually feel sorry for those people. If only they had an education like the rest of us. This has become a country of multiculturism and acceptance of all races whether you like it or not. Diversity. I have very good black friends, white, and latino (mexican, cuban, puerto rican, etc.) which is served with in Iraq. So now for those that dont like it i think its time that "you" to get the hell out of this country.

                                                            • 12 votes
                                                            Reply#11 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:43 AM EDT
                                                            Kevin-348069

                                                            Latino has nothing to do with this--the word is ILLEGAL. If they are not here legally, then they should not be here. Latino, Polish, Iraqi--if they came here legally, who gives a rat's hind end. ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL. Get a clue

                                                            • 10 votes
                                                            #11.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
                                                            Buzzorn-1

                                                            I don't care if you are black, white, yellow, orange or green. All I care about is that you are here legally and not dipping into my resources and causing the economy of this country to fail. I would perfer you go home and come through the normal channels and learn to speak the language. Don't you people understand that's all we want. We don't want illegals here. You are breaking the law and are therefore criminals. It's so simple that you so called smart people can't understand it.

                                                            • 13 votes
                                                            #11.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
                                                            Dawn-262803

                                                            Thank you, Buzzorn! So true!

                                                            • 4 votes
                                                            #11.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:39 AM EDT
                                                            Dawn-262803

                                                            I don't have a problem with Latinos or anybody else. AS long as they are in this country LEGALLY!!! Become a citizen. If they are here ILLEGALLY than they are breaking the law and must GO HOME!

                                                            • 9 votes
                                                            #11.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
                                                            Lisa-304520

                                                            Buzzorn

                                                            Being an American Hispanic I do understand what you are saying and for the most part I believe many of us agree illegal is illegal and you should not be here. The racist and hateful remarks against "mexicans/latinos/hispanics" are what is fueling the anger among the legal Hispanic citizens. Some of the racist are using this "illegal immigration" issue as their agenda to promote their hatred nothing more.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #11.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
                                                            LS-415070

                                                            Nope, it's against illegal! If you're illegal, go home!! You want to migrate here, fine! Just do it legally!! That's all I ask! I'll share my health benefits with you, my tax dollars, and whatever else, as long as you're here the legal way!!

                                                            • 4 votes
                                                            #11.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
                                                            rightman1

                                                            Snake09....Hate to break it to you, but Latino is not a nationality. it is a political group. white is not a race it is a political group. if you want to look at race, the "white race" is a generalized term politically used to describe Polish, Irish, German, ect and these are different races of people. Illegal is Illegal. whoever comes here Illegally should be deported. why is that so difficult to understand?

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #11.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:35 PM EDT
                                                            callalily4me

                                                            rightman1

                                                            When you talk about Mexican people in general, it offends me regardless they are here legally or Illegally!!! What is so frikken difficult to understand about that?!?! Moron!

                                                              #11.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:43 PM EDT
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                                                              TEX-316925

                                                              Bob, just because someone speaks spanish at a Walmart does not make them an illegal. I speak spanish and I am American born and raise (and so are my parents just in case you want to go the anchor baby route). So don't judge!

                                                              I don't get a lot of Americans they were dogging the Chinese when we had that Avian flu scare a few years back.

                                                              • 6 votes
                                                              Reply#12 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:46 AM EDT
                                                              FORMER FED AGENTDeleted
                                                              LoriSm

                                                              You are as bad as Goebbels with these ridiculous remarks.

                                                              Lori

                                                                #12.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
                                                                GregL-671049

                                                                Latin? Well it wouldn't be that Latin is the root of all the romance languages would it?

                                                                Kraut? That is a raciest comment...

                                                                Maybe you should clean up your own bias's before you point fingers...

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #12.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
                                                                DALLASNICK

                                                                tex-31629 but they refuse to speak english to each other. they hate the english laungage. they want amnesty but not the english that goes with it. they refuse to speak english. damn boy how racist is that!! they will not work with white or blacks then say we are lazy. they leave mexico for a better place because they are lazy in making mexico a better place. in fact take all yall have learned here take it back to mexico. make it a better place. tell them to put in better sewage systems so you can flush the toilet paper. instead of throwing it on the ground! either you are with us or against us. speaking spanish all day long is being against us. how are we to work with yall? tou will not even teach your kids english. you wait untill they are in school to learn english. forget about mexico and concentrate on being americans. join us or leave!!

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                #12.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:09 PM EDT
                                                                rightman1

                                                                As long as you don't sneeze on Osama Bin Ladin you are good Democrats. Clinton screwed up that twice.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #12.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
                                                                Jerseycaroline

                                                                Hitler was Austrian

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #12.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:10 PM EDT
                                                                dontbh8n

                                                                FFA - The only worthwhile thing in your post is the "FORMER" in Former Fed Agent

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #12.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:59 PM EDT
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                                                                MrsB-903497

                                                                It wasn't the illegals taking the virus into the US, it was people from the US visiting Mexico and taking it back with them. So why's the venom directed at Mexicans. So far as I have read there is only one Mexican, a baby, who has been sick in the US and he was not an illegal.

                                                                There is no way to stop people from coming and going across any borders in this day and age. If we stop the legal border crossings, it still won't stop illegals and they are more apt to be unhealthy...

                                                                • 6 votes
                                                                Reply#13 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:47 AM EDT
                                                                Mrkwildcat

                                                                Because NOTHING off any good ever comes from Mexico!

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                #13.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:17 AM EDT
                                                                Bill-752255

                                                                Except half the land west of the Mississippi!

                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                #13.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
                                                                Bill-752255

                                                                Two Marines have it, a bunch of school kids from NY, and others none of whom are illegals! Just like it wasn't Mexicans who blew up the Trade Towers (or came in through Mexico).

                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                #13.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT
                                                                MrIndia

                                                                Mrkwildcat is apparently one of those who make no distinction between legal and illegal.

                                                                  #13.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:01 AM EDT
                                                                  Bob Martinez

                                                                  I could be as shallow as you mrkwildcat and say, nor where ever you come from either, but I'm much more intelligent than that. Trash comes in all different colors and whatever color you are, you're there

                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                  #13.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
                                                                  LoriSm

                                                                  Yes, people in Mexico are apt to be more unhealthy as they do not have access to good water supplies, good health care, and oftentimes they do not have good food sources, therefore, many more Mexicans have succumbed to this virus and died compared to their American counterparts. It is a shame, but this is reality.

                                                                  Any virus will kill those whose immune systems are compromised, those who are not healthy overall, and those who live on the egde such as the many poor in Mexico. This is not a slam on Mexicans, this is just reality of the overall situation in Mexico, and why so many risk their lives to come to the USA.

                                                                  I am not against Mexicans coming to America legally. I am not against anyone coming to America legally. But that is the catch~LEGALLY. Too many Mexicans are here ILLEGALLY causing a drain on American resources. This does not endear them to many people, especially those who live in the border states of Mexico.

                                                                  One of my daughters wanted to move to Arizona with a friend. She flew to AZ and lived with her friend in Glendale until she could find a job. Right! She could not even get a minimum wage paying job in fast food without being able to speak Spanish! My daughter was appalled that she could not get a job because ALL businesses were catering to the Mexican population~legal or not. We live in America where the language is English and those coming here should have to learn OUR language, not us having to learn theirs! My daughter ended up coming back home after six weeks as she could not find a job (she is not fluent in Spanish) or a decently affordable place to live. This is nonsense. I am sure that if I was to go to a town in Mexico on the border that the locals would not have to learn English in order to get a job! This is just insane.

                                                                  I think most Americans are tired of having to cater to the those in our country who do not speak our language and who for the most part are illegal. If you were to find 100 Mexicans in one place you can bet you'd find that at least 98 of them were illegal. This is what makes Americans angry.

                                                                  As a kid growing up in Columbus, Ohio, we lived in an area with a large percentage of Yugoslavians (they had fled their communist country), so much so that we called our area "Little Yugoslavia". Most of the adults could not speak English, but their kids learned English when they went to school. Columbus did not force us to learn Macedonian (the language of the people), have signs in both languages posted in the stores (like Lowe's and Sears does), or expect social workers to speak Macedonian. The Yugoslavians were expected to learn English and to meld into American culture, which they eventually did, without losing their own identity (there is a fair every year that the Macedonians put on in Columbus). We did not resent the Yugoslavians since they were here to become Americans and did not expect us to cater to them. I even learned a few words and phrases as I had so many friends who were Yugoslavian.

                                                                  Let the Mexicans do the same (meld into America as Americans) and people will not be so against them.

                                                                  Lori

                                                                  • 5 votes
                                                                  #13.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
                                                                  rightman1

                                                                  Some of the stupidist people I know are hispanics from mexico and cuba. they get help (cheat) getting their citizenships. they still can't add or subtract. they refuse to speak the national language of the U.S.A. They go to the E.R. for the slightest things. (We still pay for it). The company they work for (Johnson Controls) is fixing everything they work on and can't fire them because the company will lose the tax credit. how bad is that? They came here to have a better life and they are ruining this country in the process.

                                                                  • 3 votes
                                                                  #13.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:55 PM EDT
                                                                  cmartin-1028164

                                                                  Hey left man ....The U.S.A. doesn't have a NATIONAL LANGUAGE...and I know plenty of people in this country that can't read and write,yet graduate from our schools and universities. Being stupid has nothing to do with geography.....You are a prime example.

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #13.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:02 PM EDT
                                                                  SGB-958337

                                                                  Some of the stupidist people I know are hispanics from mexico and cuba.

                                                                  Irony is a beautiful thing.

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #13.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:21 PM EDT
                                                                  MrIndia

                                                                  LOL @ SGB

                                                                    #13.10 - Tue May 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
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                                                                    Craig-305042

                                                                    Ignorance, xenophobia and baiting are a recessive gene in this country. The latent insecurity of many Americans prompts them to rail against "the other".

                                                                    Freedom of speech is nifty.

                                                                    People like Savage, Severin, Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin...all RABID "conservatives" (and top tier fodder for the pup tent of the republican party) aren't worthy of comment.

                                                                    Illness has no home.

                                                                    • 4 votes
                                                                    Reply#14 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:48 AM EDT
                                                                    BenCT

                                                                    Alex Jones has some good stuff. The rest of them I can't stand.

                                                                      #14.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
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                                                                      Peggy-1025610

                                                                      What has happened to this country? Has the conservative agenda always been this full of hatred? I fear for our country. The extremism is very scary; and it is fueled by the press. Fox News should face charges for inciting violence!

                                                                      • 11 votes
                                                                      Reply#15 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:48 AM EDT
                                                                      Maryland republican

                                                                      Uh what? This is MSNBC. You know - the liberal wing of the fourth estate? Get a clue as to which site you are on.

                                                                      • 13 votes
                                                                      #15.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:57 AM EDT
                                                                      Jimmiesgirl

                                                                      The extremism on the left is scary, and fueled by most of the press. The liberals will bring down this country with their dangerous ideas. Fox news is the news a person can trust. I wouldnt think of watching anything else.

                                                                      • 9 votes
                                                                      #15.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
                                                                      Sigh-268832

                                                                      Where have you been???????

                                                                      Americans “have a history of trying to keep ourselves ‘pure,’” Fairchild explained. “You saw it after the Civil War when slaves were denied citizenship, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when we were alarmed over southern and eastern European immigrants. There were fears that they would pollute America’s germ plasm, make us a weak nation of imbeciles.”

                                                                      Mission Accomplished

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #15.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT
                                                                      Russ Collins

                                                                      Jimmiesgirl, "Fox news is the news a person can trust. I wouldnt think of watching anything else." I feel sorry for you.

                                                                      • 8 votes
                                                                      #15.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
                                                                      MMg

                                                                      I have checked out Fox news. It is neither rightest nor leftist. They, from what I have seen so far, present BOTH sides, and encourage people to think. Something which neither extreme wishes to do for some unknown reason.

                                                                      It is ludicrous!! Mexico did not do this deliberately, nor do Spanish speaking minorities wish for this to have happened.

                                                                      As far as speaking Spanish in Walmart, I don't care if you are Hispanic, German,, Italian, etc., IF you are living and working in this country speak English. "When in Rome do as the Romans do." THAT was taught by the Christian prophet (Messiah) Christ. That is the only problem I have with a different language being spoken here. Our ancestors came from different counties, they learned English, and encouraged their children to speak only English because they were PROUD to be in America.

                                                                      As far as minorities are concerned. It is a psychological fact that people "need" to cast aspersions when they feel threatened, or less equal. It's the nature of the beast, and will probably never completely be eradicated. Unfortunately.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #15.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
                                                                      Democrat-337855

                                                                      Yikes! Talk about scary!

                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                      #15.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
                                                                      Bill-752255

                                                                      All my ancestors spoke English when they came here, because they were all from the British Isles. Now if your family is German, Italian, French, Swedish, etc... or from anyother "non-English" nation in Europe they more than likely did not get off the boat speaking English and neither did the first generation. You want to know how much and how well your ancestors spoke English? Look at the new immigrants to this country, that's how! And who cares!

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #15.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
                                                                      Miss Brown Eyes

                                                                      Hey Peggy.... Here's a couple of pesos... why don't you illegally migrate to Mexico and do us Americans a favor and LEAVE!

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      #15.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:39 AM EDT
                                                                      Tidywhite

                                                                      Sigh, I second that. As far as hate goes all though it would be preferable if we could over look all these things about others that we don't like no where in the constitution does it say we have to, hate is a protected form of speech. If you want to get rid of it call the A.C.L.U. Now Then being the son of a legal immigrant and knowing many people in my same situation, I can speek for only myself though, It is a disservice to those people who wait, sometimes years, for all the paperwork to go through and get a sponsor and all the other things that is required to immigrate to these country to see other people (not just mexicans) ingnore the laws of this country and just come here and squatt down as if they are doing nothing wrong and then bitch about people who call them out on it. If you want to move to another country by all means do so but folow the immigration laws of that country or suffer the consequences. Oh yeah the flu thing is bad too! WHO 8 deaths . Media 150 deaths and growing. WTF?

                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                      #15.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:44 AM EDT
                                                                      Anon87

                                                                      MMg, I enjoyed reading your post. I agree with almost 90% of it though and will have to say that I respectfully disagree with your statement of language. I grew up to know this country as a country with no official language. True, English was a standard, but even so, it didn't mean every person was obligated to speak it as their only tongue. While I agree there should be norms and an effort to learn English for those who want to be citizens of this country, that does not mean that they should have to speak it 24/7 while forgetting their native tongue. I honestly don't share that mindset with you or others who think this way.

                                                                      Also, this country was founded by English pilgrims who already knew the English language. If they were to go by your logic, we'd all be speaking Navajo or Cherokee or some other native language being that this country was populated by Native Americans who didn't speak a lick of the English language. So to sum it all up, English was forced on this country much like it is being forced on today. Kind of dark don't you think?

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                                                                      #15.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
                                                                      Pater-500676

                                                                      Actually, the extremes of the Repugnicant party may be what will save our society. President Obama didn't get to be President because the right-wing hitlerites were loved by the majority of Americans. They are, thank God, the minority but they are loud and onerous. Hopefully, a few of the fence-sitters on the right can come to their senses and be more moderate in their polical/social views.

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      #15.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:36 AM EDT
                                                                      addiem

                                                                      Side note on the Pilgrims: They came here by way of Holland, and were concerned that their kids were picking up Dutch. Everyone knows we came close to using German for our language.

                                                                      All airline pilots today must be able to communicate in English - and English is a required subject in most foreign lands - it is just often used as an universal language. (The poor in those lands do not get schooled in it, and will always be poor, and they will always be on the outside, looking in, and still poor.)

                                                                      This use of English is on-going for a hundred years plus, and it just makes sense to have such an universal means of communication. If you'd rather switch to Mandarin, and would enjoy learning over 2,000 written characters to correctly communicate - well, count me out, no thanks.

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      #15.12 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
                                                                      football mom-518645

                                                                      If you are going to cite Fox News for inciting violence then you better cite the CBS, NBC and the others for stirring up stupidity.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #15.13 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:12 PM EDT
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                                                                      Dawn-262803

                                                                      I want ALL illegal immigrants out of here. Even before this flu thing hit. They have NO business being here. I have no problem with people coming to this country and becoming legal citizens. But, ILLEGALS have to GO!!

                                                                      • 24 votes
                                                                      #16 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
                                                                      Sam-665517

                                                                      Amen Dawn, please read my blog further down

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                                                                      #16.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:55 AM EDT
                                                                      ToxicChemist

                                                                      If these "illegals" don't want to respect the laws of our country, and that's ok with some of you posters here, fine. Don't expect ME to respect the laws of this country either, then. You can't have selective enforcement of laws, either you enforce them or you have anarchy. You can't have one demographic group that can say "screw the law", and get away with it and then bust some other demographic group who's also breaking the law.

                                                                      I have no problem with legal immigration, heck the cultural diversity is what makes America great. But you need to have controlled immigration. Why? Because the infrastructure needs to be sufficient to support these new citizens. Schools, hospitals, housing all have to be adjusted to meet the needs of these people. It takes time to do those improvements, if you have a flood of people immigrating illegally, you get infrastructure that becomes overwhelmed. Service quality declines for everybody.

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                                                                      #16.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT
                                                                      john-744610

                                                                      There is a legal means for any one to become a citizen of my country (Yes, I am a legal citizen, therefoe it is my country) It is by no means racist to expect, no demand that people do not enter my country illegally be they hipanic, asian or blued norwegians. I do expect my government to enforce laws which they have enacted--- border security is one of them!!!!!!! The recent flu scare has nothing to do with enforecing our laws.

                                                                      • 5 votes
                                                                      #16.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
                                                                      George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                                                      I don't mind anyone that enters our country legally. It seems hypocritical for the Dems to want to enforce rules and "laws" regarding what they call "torture" and all the while turning a blind eye to the ILLEGAL immigration problem building in our southern states.

                                                                      • 6 votes
                                                                      #16.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
                                                                      Buzzorn-1

                                                                      I'm with you Dawn. Cases of polio and TB have flourished since the illegals have come into this country through the back door. Remember when we (USofA) had cured everyone from these dreadful diseases.

                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                      #16.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:43 AM EDT
                                                                      MrIndia

                                                                      George-St. Petersburg, FL. - Why is it that people like you continue to spread this fallacy that democrats are somehow more tolerant of illegals than republicans ? What have republicans done in the last 8 years to stem the tide ? Infact was it not George W Bush who proposed a legislation to legalize all the 12 million illegals in this country ? An idea that later McCain endorsed and adopted as his own ?

                                                                      I wonder if people like you are willingly blind or part of the republican propaganda machine that believes in repeating a lie until it replaces truth ?

                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                      #16.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
                                                                      George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                                                      Yes, I understand that. We are talking about now, not the past 8 years. At least we started building a fence against a lot of Dem objections. I just posted this up top but since I still can paste it, with "Leadership" like this do you really have to ask that questions? The truth is that the current admin wants a path to "Legalization" as they were benefited by over 65% of the Hispanic vote in the recent election. That's fact and truth. You can call it a lie as most liberals spin things to their benfit. Here's one of your leaders stances on this issue...

                                                                      Nancy Pelosi on Immigration

                                                                      Click here for 8 full quotes on Immigration OR background on Immigration.

                                                                      • Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
                                                                      • Voted NO on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
                                                                      • Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
                                                                      • Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
                                                                      • Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
                                                                      • Rated 0% by FAIR, indicating a voting record loosening immigration. (Dec 2003)
                                                                      • Comprehensive immigration reform without amnesty. (May 2005)
                                                                      • Rated 0% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)
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                                                                      #16.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:32 AM EDT
                                                                      ToxicChemist

                                                                      MrIndia, The unwillingness of GWBush to secure the nation's borders is just one example of his admisistration's failures. Neither party is more or less tolerant of illegal immigration.

                                                                        #16.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
                                                                        LS-415070

                                                                        While not a Bush supporter, please show me a President who has yet secured our borders...........

                                                                          #16.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
                                                                          George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                                                          "If the American people don't feel like you can secure the borders, then it's hard to strike a deal that would get people out of the shadows and on a pathway to citizenship who are already here, because the attitude of the average American is going to be, well, you're just going to have hundreds of thousands of more coming in each year," he said.
                                                                          Obama 04/30/09

                                                                          And to add, GWB is retired and McCain is facing a challenge for his seat. Ya think that has something to do with his stance on this issue? Ask the people in Pheonix that face the 2nd most kidnappings in the entire world. I never supported either of their "pathways".

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                                                                          #16.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:45 AM EDT
                                                                          e-310299

                                                                          Oh, there certainly could be no good reason not to build a fence to keep people out. I mean, historically they always work, right? Hadrian's wall, the Great Wall of China...Really terrific, practical idea. Second, it disrups the communities along the border. It disrupts people's lives in a very real way, and that is something to take into consideration. For all of you who make such dramatic calls to patriotism, the wall negatively effects the lives of innocent American citizens. Third, it creates environmental catastrophes for migrating animals. And yes, that's an important issue. We are all dependent on the ecosystem. Smart animals don't s*it where they sleep. Fourth, it's retardedly expensive and impossible to monitor.

                                                                          Everybody stop being so hateful. We will never find solutions to hot button issues like these (immigration, disease control) if people are so enflamed. You cannot think logically if you are filled with venom like that. Stop rationalizing your bigotry. You wouldn't have such a backlash about your position if you were merely discussing immigration reform. Bigotry is wrong and you know it. It is wrong to hate someone based on their country of origin, their skin color, their sexual orientation, really any category you want to lump someone into. Stop the BS, admit you're a bigot, and work on becoming a more loving, rational person. Like me. :)

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                                                                          #16.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
                                                                          Pater-500676

                                                                          Due to the number of "illegals", just how do you propose to do this?

                                                                            #16.12 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
                                                                            e-310299

                                                                            Oh, hell, I don't know. Really, I'm not that worried about it. Immigration isn't a hot button issue for me. The racism bit obviously gets me going. However, I am pro-socialized medicine (I know, boo!!!) so I suppose immigration policy will figure into that. It won't work unless we collect enough taxes.

                                                                            I suspect the best way to start would be to follow the money trail. Why don't we just enforce the laws on the books. Who is benefitting from not enforcing the laws? I don't mean in a creepy conspiracy theroy kind of way, but certainly some employers are benefitting, and it must provide some political capital to our boys and girls in office fpr various reasons. You can read about 90 different theories on the subject, and I'm no economist (obviously) but I bet it benefits our economy as a whole to have a cheap work force. However, part of the reason I think we should prevent illegal immigration and have a good guest worker program is to protect the immigrant's rights. There is an article on msnbc about a worker's camp in CA. I don't know if they are legal or not, but I don't think it matters. I don't want to live in a country where we make anybody, anybody ever walk around in poopy water surrounded by feral dogs. So, I think reform would help prevent humanitarian abuses like this. But I truly don't think FREAKING OUT ever helps.

                                                                              #16.13 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
                                                                              rightman1

                                                                              Obama* keeps comparing himself to Reagan ( who did in fact give amnesty to 2.5 million Illegal aliens) and now there are 20 million Illegals. Obama* will give amnesty to them just watch...

                                                                                #16.14 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
                                                                                ToxicChemist

                                                                                e, if you want to have those employers who are using the illegals for cheaper labor pay for their family's medical insurance, children's schooling and such, maybe that would be ok. Just don't ask for me/and other taxpayers, including you to pay for those benefiets, afterall, the buisnesses are profiting off of those workers, not me/us.

                                                                                Buisnesses want cheap labor? If there is some control over guest worker programs, and the buisnesses are willing to not leave the bill for their costs of benefiets of their "cheap labor" on the backs of the American citizens. (They can't have it both ways.)

                                                                                You don't need to build up walls to control illegal immigration, Just have a well designed guest worker program. If its not legitamate, companies could face fines for hiring illegals for jobs not deemed to be "Guest worker" jobs. That way, the immigrants, by following a legitimate pathway, can get jobs in America in a controlled fashion, and the taxpayers can get a break by not having to pay for their bennies, let the companies pay for the bennies instead.

                                                                                e, with the pro socialized medicine stance, maybe you can understand that maybe, some of us would prefer to help fellow Americans who are struggling to pay for their healthcare costs first, before we try to pay for everybody else in the world.

                                                                                  #16.15 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:01 PM EDT
                                                                                  George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                                                                  e-31###

                                                                                  I would assume you live nowhere near the US - Mexico border. That's why it's not a "hot button" for you. I have friends in Mcallen TX and they are very happy the fence went up. Perhaps you could ask people in El Paso about the 1000 murdersw in the town that borders their city last year. Your 2nd comment offered no solutions other than state you are for "Free" healthcare. Who will pay for the 12 - 20 million illegals plus family to be insured. You and I along with paying for the 43 million Americans that are uninsured. Then we willl have to pay for the interest on the 10 Trillion in debt run up in he last 200 years and the planned 10 Trillion in debt over the next 8 years. Then we will have to pay for education reform. Then we will have to actually pay the 20 Trillion in debt.

                                                                                  Who is paying for all of this. You, your kids, your grand kids and your great grandkids and then their kids after that. Please offer a solution rather than simply berating others. Thanks.

                                                                                    #16.16 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:02 PM EDT
                                                                                    PeanutJellyandButter

                                                                                    Slightly off this article but still on subject... I heard that in parts of Texax they were cancelling extra-curricular activities because of this flu. 1) Do they think this virus doesn't show up at lacrosse games ONLY if they're held at night? 2) If you really think it's targeting the Mexicans that you want to get rid of, why not still have the games at night (their logic, not mine, thank you!). People in Texas are not eating pork for fear of the flu. They think they can get the flu from cooked BBQ? The hatred for illegals is well placed. Their presence here alone makes them CRIMINALS. We didn't want them in the first place, they are already getting a free ride on the backs of our tax dollars, and we don't want and didn't ask for their flu strain. I have no issue with legals since, hey, we were all immigrants once too... and I have no issue with anyone hating on ILLEGALS. They are here illegally. Pick up their infected butts and ship them to the other side of the fence where they belong. Oh, and to that ignorant poster whose ancestors took two generations to speak the language? Shame on them. My ancestors were non-english speakers from all over Europe and they took their vows of naturalization and citizenship VERY seriously. They worked hard to learn the language and blend. The insisted on ONLY speaking English around the kids to the point it pissed us off because we grew up surround by bilinguals who wouldn't share their home language so WE would BE TRUE AMERICANS. I don't have to press "2" for Italian, Hungarian, German, Prussian or Swedish now, do I?

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                                                                                    #16.17 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:07 PM EDT
                                                                                    callalily4me

                                                                                    Dawn

                                                                                    Yourare so toxic, they're not going anywhere. If you a have a problem, which it sounds like you do, then why don't you get the ef out of here.... hahahahaha!!! And by the way, I'm sending you some swine flu along with this post.... LOL!

                                                                                      #16.18 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:59 PM EDT
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                                                                                      ES-919973

                                                                                      Its common that a problem like this (H1N1 flu) will bring out racist and ignorant people to express themselves. I do not support illegal immigration,but this is a different animal, so blaming immigrants for this flu is plain absurd. We have plenty of problems in America and not all of them are cause by illegals, so let´s get real here and be objective.

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                                                                                      Reply#17 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
                                                                                      Kevin-348069

                                                                                      If there is a chance that someone illegally crossing the border will bring this virus into our county, they must be stopped period. That is all the commentators are saying. So let's be "objective" as you say. You folks never want to go to the source of an issue and discuss it.

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                                                                                      #17.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
                                                                                      Oklahoma Guy

                                                                                      So, the American students that were on spring break in Mexico that brought it back should be stopped?????

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                                                                                      #17.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
                                                                                      ch555x

                                                                                      LOL!

                                                                                      All this anger over a strain of FLU...and spread by tourists across the planet in many cases...ROFL!!!

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                                                                                      #17.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT
                                                                                      Gregorovich

                                                                                      Oklahoma, you're darn right those students should have been stopped. That's part of the deal. If you go out of the country you can't bring back an infectious disease. Period. That's a public health issue.

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                                                                                      #17.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
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                                                                                      Duwalla Jones

                                                                                      American tourists brought swine flu back with them from Mexico.

                                                                                      Either every news story to date been wrong or the talking heads get their news from another source. Where are all the sick illegal aliens?

                                                                                        Reply#18 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:50 AM EDT
                                                                                        david-475776

                                                                                        go to the emergency rooms at SOCAL (Southern California).

                                                                                        Biocontainment includes the active monitoring of travellers in and out of the US just like Cuba did.

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                                                                                        #18.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:14 PM EDT
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                                                                                        Marathongirl04

                                                                                        I happened to catch one of the shows discussing it the other night and couldn't believe the things that were being claimed. That thousands of Mexicans are crossing the borders and flooding the hospitals in CA...has anyone heard reports that the clinics there are flooded? Also anyone notice that the largest, at least to start, outbreak was in NY? Not really a border state...Biggest problem is the people that listen to these shows, and really believe them, are not the most intelligent of the population so instead of doing research and finding out for themselves, they take it as gospel. I'm sorry, but people, you need more than one news source. Heck, how many people know that the 1 US death so far was a Mexican citizen visiting Texas? So it isn't technically even a US death. And as someone else said, 130 cases and actually I think we are at 300 million...how is this a huge deal?

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                                                                                        Reply#19 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:51 AM EDT
                                                                                        Randy-1050992

                                                                                        NY isn't a border state, however, the ones with the infection got back from Mexicon on their Spring break, though I'd let you in on that.

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                                                                                        #19.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
                                                                                        Cipher-0

                                                                                        NY isn't a border state...

                                                                                        I think a good look at a map would be useful at this point. Granted, the border isn't with Mexico, but it's still a border state. :-P

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                                                                                        #19.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:27 AM EDT
                                                                                        Tidywhite

                                                                                        Good one Cipher. To my cousins up there in the great white north( my mother was from Canada) if you come here illegally I would not have a problem with the good people of this country calling you out on it and I would call I.C.E. on you myself.

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                                                                                        #19.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:59 AM EDT
                                                                                        Democrat-337855

                                                                                        This hatred spewing is not about the flu. The flu is just another vehicle being used by small minded people to push their white America agenda. How am I suppose to respect their position on immigration when they use bigotry and slander to support it?

                                                                                        Fear mongering has been the weapon of choice by these extreme righties from day one. There are certainly plenty of conservatives out there, that I may not agree with, but do respect. I know these despicable leeches on far right radio and television do not speak for them.

                                                                                        The very same folks, who buy into this brand of racisim, hide behind their sense of entitlement and wave their Christian flag in our faces. (not at all a slight on all Christians) "Oh come on, you know we are superior....." underlines everything they say, even when they are not being overt. This is the American that is hated worldwide and the rest of us have to prove we are not one of.

                                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                                        #19.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
                                                                                        ch555x

                                                                                        good point!

                                                                                          #19.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:51 AM EDT
                                                                                          rightman1

                                                                                          " white America agenda". ???? Don't be such a Racist..Democrat337855. that is what you are. to the max. Affirmative Action is bigotry too. La Raza is Bigotry. why is it ok for minorities to be racists?

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                                                                                          #19.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
                                                                                          George-St. Petersburg, FL.

                                                                                          Democrats can't be racist, just ask them....

                                                                                            #19.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:24 PM EDT
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                                                                                            Sam-665517

                                                                                            VIVA LA SWINE FLU!!!! SO we'll stop going there to vacation but that won't stop them from coming here. THink about this - modes of transportation cross into this country from there everyday, filled with illegal aliens who then get dispursed throughout our country.

                                                                                            YAAAYYY FOR SWINE FLU! American citizens have been complaining about illegal aliens from Mexico for over 25 years and it's fallen on deaf ears. Maybe NOW we'll tighten up our borders. As if they weren't already putting a strain on our hralth care system, now they've added this. American citizens aren't even comfortable going to an emergency room because they know it's already filled with illegals before they get there. Illegal aliens are feeling uncomfortable because we're being xenophobic? Good! Let them feel uncomfortable. Im uncomfortable walking passed illegal aliens with their 6 kids that get fantastic education, free school lunch, freee health care, etc. while their parents send all their hard earned money out of this country to theirs. Our laws are broken and ignored for illegal aliens by AMerican citizens because if we enforce them, your town will be sued for picking on illegals. I find it funny how citizens are always pulled over in my town by the police and not those who appear to be of Mexican descent. I guess all Latino people wear their seat belts, have their children in car seats, don't have five guys in the front seat of the lawn truck or ever speed. THis isn't about racism, it's about AMerican citizens finally and hopefully having SOMETHING that will cause some law and order with these criminals. I don't hate Mexicans, I hate the blind eye used to view illegal alien issues. It just so happens the majority is Mexican. If it were any other nationality with illegal alien status - my statement would still be the same.

                                                                                            American citizens are having to pull the weight for all of those who are here illegally and it's out of control. I reported a business selling fake passports and when the officer found out it was the Mexican travel agency he told me never mind because we don't need another law suit. You better believe if some 18 year old kid got caught making an id for him and his riends to buy beer, the book would be thrown at him. Ya, give me the tickets officer - because I'll give you a real id, show up for court and pay my fines. We need some way to generate money to make up for all the others....just tax and penalize the citizen more because they HAVE to abide by the law. I love everyone's ignorance about the swine flu. LEt them think it's MExican people's fault. Maybe they use their calling cards to call home and tell their family to stay there!

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                                                                                            Reply#20 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:52 AM EDT
                                                                                            ajincolorado

                                                                                            I think you've just provided proof for the articles claim of xenophobia running amok.

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                                                                                            #20.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
                                                                                            Miss Brown Eyes

                                                                                            Applauds and agrees wholeheartedly, Sam. Great post!

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                                                                                            #20.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:42 AM EDT
                                                                                            Buzzorn-1

                                                                                            You go Sam! Great post.....this is a true story because it happened to me. My husband is out of work in the construction field. A lot of development is going on in our area. He can't get a job because there are only Mexicans on the job. So I go to the construction site one day and am looking for Mexicans to see how many are here legally. I stop them and ask if they have their card....they mumble something in Spanish, but no card is produced. Next thing you know there is a sheriff's deputy at the site. He told me I had to leave or I'd be charged with treaspassing. I responded to him that all of those Mexicans were trespassing also. That if I was gonna be arrested, then they should be also. He informed me he couldn't do anything about them because it's a Federal problem, but I could go to jail. He let me go with a warning to not return but not after getting all of my information.

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                                                                                            #20.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
                                                                                            Morgan S.

                                                                                            Sam-

                                                                                            First of all since I'm tearing this little diatribe apart, I feel obligated to put my stance out there on this topic. (If you don't care what I think then just skip to the part where I'm dissecting what you said so you can get right to p***ed off. No hard feelings. Honest.)

                                                                                            I feel that if one comes into this (or any) country as a 'foreigner' to work one should jump through whatever appropriate legal hoops said country requires to do so. If you wish to become a citizen of said country... Same deal. Regulation has a purpose.

                                                                                            (However, if someone does not go through those hoops I'm not going to automatically jump to the 'dirty-murdering-disease-carrying-derelict conclusion' either. )

                                                                                            That having been said...

                                                                                            THink about this - modes of transportation cross into this country from there everyday, filled with illegal aliens who then get dispursed throughout our country.

                                                                                            Well could be. I suppose that since we have an open border Mexican citizens can come in on the pretense of visiting, and get a job somewhere... or not... or whatever, and get 'disp(e)rsed' throughout our country. I'm not familiar with all of the various nuts, bolts, and tactics of illegal immigration.

                                                                                            Actually I find most people (including yourself here) who rail against this to be extraordinarily vague. Everything from 'They got a job here, and they are obviously from Mexico, ergo they must be illegal'to 'They speak Spanish so they must be illegal.' So exactly (legalities aside, cause I'm pretty sure they {ironically enough} won't matter to you), makes an 'illegal alien' by your definition?

                                                                                            YAAAYYY FOR SWINE FLU! American citizens have been complaining about illegal aliens from Mexico for over 25 years and it's fallen on deaf ears. Maybe NOW we'll tighten up our borders.

                                                                                            Okay I find this statement just flat short sighted. What if this new strain mutates and creates a really nasty situation in terms of a body count? It's a possibility. That's part of why these health organizations are jumping up and down. So you're willing to bet your life, the lives of your family and friends, and mine for that matter on your bigotry. Nice.

                                                                                            You're kinda d***ed if it does, and d***ed if it don't. So, if this doesn't get really bad we won't tighten up our borders. If it does get bad enough to merit that, you might very well die, or lose someone you care about. I'm thinking either way this isn't going to work out in a way that would make you very happy. Just a thought...

                                                                                            As if they weren't already putting a strain on our hralth care system...

                                                                                            I'm not even dismissing this statement out of hand but... Proof please. And please define the extent of the 'strain' as well.

                                                                                            American citizens aren't even comfortable going to an emergency room because they know it's already filled with illegals before they get there.

                                                                                            Well my first impulse is that this statement refers to this health scare specifically, but honestly, I don't know. Either way, it strikes me as pretty area specific, and probably falling under the category of Local Prejudice Creating Assumptive Behavior. So maybe some people, but overall throughout this country...? I doubt it. If that is your assertion here... Once again; proof please.

                                                                                            Illegal aliens are feeling uncomfortable because we're being xenophobic? Good! Let them feel uncomfortable. Im uncomfortable walking passed illegal aliens with their 6 kids that get fantastic education, free school lunch, freee health care, etc. while their parents send all their hard earned money out of this country to theirs.

                                                                                            These people that you walk past... One wonders... Do you know ...? I mean do you really know they are illegal? If you don't have proof then you are just making assumptions about people that you don't know to fuel your own bigotry/self loathing-complex/father issues.

                                                                                            If you do know, then I guess that is certainly your 'right' to be uncomfortable. It's a free country. You can jump at proverbial shadows manifested as a three year old from Mexico if you want. ('Ahhh...! He's two feet tall, with a lolly pop! And he's from Mexico! The Horror! It's a sign of the fall of Empire! Ahhh...!')

                                                                                            Our laws are broken and ignored for illegal aliens by AMerican citizens because if we enforce them, your town will be sued for picking on illegals.

                                                                                            How's that actually happened? If it has (if they were actually illegal and not just of Mexican descent), then that's pretty crappy.

                                                                                            I find it funny how citizens are always pulled over in my town by the police and not those who appear to be of Mexican descent. I guess all Latino people wear their seat belts, have their children in car seats, don't have five guys in the front seat of the lawn truck or ever speed. THis isn't about racism, it's about AMerican citizens finally and hopefully having SOMETHING that will cause some law and order with these criminals.

                                                                                            I suppose that is possible as well. But,I also find the objectivity of your perspective on this frankly suspect and 'funny' myself.

                                                                                            I don't hate Mexicans...

                                                                                            Maybe not. I'm looking at the content of this blurb and really wondering about that however. (I also wonder about past trauma and your capacity for introspection as well, but I suppose that is beside the point.)

                                                                                            I hate the blind eye used to view illegal alien issues.

                                                                                            Fair enough.

                                                                                            If it were any other nationality with illegal alien status - my statement would still be the same.

                                                                                            Oh, I believe that. I really do.

                                                                                            I reported a business selling fake passports and when the officer found out it was the Mexican travel agency he told me never mind because we don't need another law suit.

                                                                                            I would be interested in the details of this scenario. If you have the right of it, (or at least how you are portraying it), once again, pretty crappy.

                                                                                            I guess the first question that comes to mind is that sometimes cops say thing to placate people that are prone to irrational behavior. So did he really man what he said?

                                                                                            You better believe if some 18 year old kid got caught making an id for him and his riends to buy beer, the book would be thrown at him. Ya, give me the tickets officer - because I'll give you a real id, show up for court and pay my fines. We need some way to generate money to make up for all the others....just tax and penalize the citizen more because they HAVE to abide by the law.

                                                                                            Interesting speculation. But it smacks of hand waving.

                                                                                            I love everyone's ignorance about the swine flu. LEt them think it's MExican people's fault. Maybe they use their calling cards to call home and tell their family to stay there!

                                                                                            Wha...? I suspect you are possibly inching toward (yet another... Ho hum...) man-made virus conspiracy theory here. If you are, spare me. If you aren't. I repeat. Wha...?

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                                                                                            #20.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
                                                                                            Democrat-337855

                                                                                            Sam,

                                                                                            You make some good points. There is just one huge void in your blog and it is the real reason that our government has been lax on illegal immigration from Mexico. Are you ready? It is because they actually help our economy, even when you factor in the burden they place on our schools and hospitals.

                                                                                            Yes, if you read information that isolates health or education costs, it seems like this would have to be furthest from the truth, but taken as a big picture, Mexican workers fill underpaid, neccessary jobs that Americans don't want. Imagine going to the grocery store and paying whatever it would cost if you had to pay an American to pick an orange by hand or what you would have to pay for your Holiday Inn stay, if an American was cleaning your room. Factor that, and all the other examples of that, into your equation.

                                                                                            Does this, on it's own, merit our current muddy immigration laws? Of course not. But how American it is, to not take any blame for our part in all this. I understand and respect your position on illegal immigration, but don't blindly accept the pablum being spooned out by the fear mongerers. Understand that strict immigration laws coupled with the expense of truly enforcing them will be a drag on our economy, not a benefit. Be sure of one thing, if the United States did not overall benefit from the current policies, they would have changed a long time ago.

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                                                                                            #20.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
                                                                                            Sam-665517

                                                                                            WOW - I appreciate all the attention you gave my post. A little background- I was raised in the restaurant business and worked with many illegals over the years, yes washing dishes with them as well. Many of my past co workers considered me a friend and asked me to help them in various ways (beat the system). Sometimes I helped and sometimes I didn't. It all depended if they were interested in assimilating. Currently I work for my town. One of the many hats I wear is registrar for Vital statistics. So I have people who can not give me documentation because they are here illegally and tell me so...almost everyday. I could go on and on explaining my stance but it's not necessary. I was frustrated and went off without monitoring or expecting dissection of my post. It happens - that's the beauty of this. I enjoy these boards because they are entertaining. Sometimes I write REALLY outraeous stuff for other people's rises. It's funny. I didn't mean for you to pour all over it and waste so much time. Pointing out a spelling mistake is kind of silly huh? I don't proofread off the cuff blurbs and I guess you expect people should. I never said people that speak Spanish are here illegally. Actually I never said anything about their language. Inever said anything about their hygiene either. This was about wishful thinking for tighter borders and taking something blown up by the media and adding a theory to it. I don't wish any harm to anyone - illigal or not. THank you for your time and opinion. I appreciate your honesty. Be sure to writw all the people who agreed with me too! LOL

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                                                                                            #20.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:56 AM EDT
                                                                                            LoriSm

                                                                                            Unless someone lives on a border state with Mexico and has to deal with what you have stated, they will never get it. Those who do not have to tolerate the ILLEGALS as border states do will continue to cry "xenophobia" at those who have felt the double standards for years. Good post, Sam.

                                                                                            Lori

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                                                                                            #20.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
                                                                                            aja2007

                                                                                            GREAT POINT LORI! very very true. i have family who lives up north and has no clue what it's like to live in a state chalked full of illegal immigrants that have taken over my childrens school and all of my local hospitals. Hardly anyone pays taxes around here anymore and they wonder why my state is going to the crapper. i just cant believe that some people listen to the lie "they help our economy" what a bunch of crap!

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                                                                                            #20.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
                                                                                            Democrat-337855

                                                                                            Sam, this is a P.S to my above post.

                                                                                            A woman above posted a blog about her construction worker husband losing his job, while she observed illegals still doing the kind of work he did. My first thought is, that they probably aren't doing the same work, unless her husband was willing to do gruesomely physical labor for very little pay, even though he can speak english. True, they are working and he is not, but I would ask her if her husband would be willing to do the most physically intensive grunt work for, by American standards, substandard pay or would he rather collect unemployment benefits? I would almost bet my shirt that he would be first in line at the agency.

                                                                                            I'm okay with saying that this is not a valid reason for her husband to be out of work while illegals are not. Still, the fact remains that her husband is not out of work because of them. It is like saying that it is the blame of the illegal housekeeping ladies that the American hotel manager lost his job. Maybe the manager should apply for a housekeeping position, at it's pay grade, for that is the position that is open.

                                                                                            True, we could put our foot firmly down, and spend oodles to kick them out/keep them out. We could ignore the fact that these hard working illegals are sending the pittance they make to Mexico to feed their kids and not stop to wonder how far we would go to take care of our families if pushed to the limit to do so. We could say we have every right to protect what is ours and go to church on Sunday and act like the sermon on loving all of God's creatures does not apply here. We could enforce that all American businesses pay only Americans and pay them a decent wage by our standards. Then, we can stand by our convictions and all pay more for a lot of the neccessities we need, or the luxuries we enjoy.

                                                                                            The real question I have is, does this mean that this will open up a huge job market for Americans? Jobs that Americans will gratefully fill? Sounds good, but to my observation is likely not true. The majority of these jobs, though they would have to pay more to Americans, would never pay enough for Americans to take them and would be far too retched for most Americans to stomach for long.

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                                                                                            #20.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
                                                                                            rightman1

                                                                                            There are a lot of real small video camaras on the market now. You can video record a law enforcement officer during the performance of duty. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy while in the performance of duty. ( just don't let them see you doing it). I will be watching youtube for this. it will get millions of hits a week. untill someone does something to enforce the laws. In wisconsin 946.12 is a felony. see 946.82s4 to see all of the violations that are " Organized Crime". Misconduct in Public Office" is a felony. Q. Would a cop rather do the job, or the time?

                                                                                              #20.10 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:19 PM EDT
                                                                                              Morgan S.

                                                                                              Sam-

                                                                                              I was frustrated and went off without monitoring or expecting dissection of my post. It happens - that's the beauty of this. I enjoy these boards because they are entertaining. Sometimes I write REALLY outraeous stuff for other people's rises.

                                                                                              So let me get this straight... You spout off with 'really outrageous stuff...' 'for other people's rises', and then ridicule them when you get one. So you don't really believe all that 'outrageous' drivel...? You're just spouting idiocy to bait nameless strangers on line...? Huh. I'm actually a little confused here. Were you just venting, or trying to bait people? Which is it?

                                                                                              It's funny. I didn't mean for you to pour all over it and waste so much time.

                                                                                              So then why write it at all? And doesn't that contradict your assertion that you wrote something outrageous to get a rise out of someone? You got a very good one, that you then (attempt) to discredit as 'waste of time'. Interesting.

                                                                                              Pointing out a spelling mistake is kind of silly huh? I don't proofread off the cuff blurbs and I guess you expect people should.

                                                                                              It was not my intention to point out a spelling mistake. I quoted it with my own (e) inserted because I wasn't sure if you had spelled it that way intentionally and I didn't want to misquote, but if I know how to spell a word it rankles me to spell it incorrectly. I was actually trying to be polite.

                                                                                              If you look back at my own response, I'm sure you will find your fair share of mistakes. (I don't proof read well well myself.) It happens, so I tend to not call people on them.

                                                                                              I never said people that speak Spanish are here illegally. Actually I never said anything about their language. Inever said anything about their hygiene either.

                                                                                              I never said that you said those things. You are blatantly misrepresenting, and taking out of context, what I did say. I had thought perhaps that it would be better to be very specific and mention that I didn't necessarily know that you were in that category, but I thought it was self evident. Apparently, I was wrong.

                                                                                              This was about wishful thinking for tighter borders and taking something blown up by the media and adding a theory to it. I don't wish any harm to anyone - illigal or not.

                                                                                              If that was truly your intent (just wishful thinking), I do wonder why you didn't present it that way. I.E. without the inflammatory language, assumptions, and generalizations. Oh, wait... I remember. So that you could get a rise out of someone, and then haze them for taking the bait.

                                                                                              THank you for your time and opinion. I appreciate your honesty. Be sure to writw all the people who agreed with me too! LOL

                                                                                              You're welcome. While it's all well and good to try to laugh off someone who called you on your crap as 'wasting their time', and(try) to imply that they/I just didn't get the joke; it does beg the question... Why did you waste the time to write something (kind of long anyway) just to irritate people and then complain when they are irritated? How is that productive? Why bother? That isn't discussion. That is Junior High level attention mongering. With the same level of bullying tactics as a response.

                                                                                              My personal opinion is that you typed before thinking, someone countered your thoughtless diatribe, and now you are furiously back peddling.

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                                                                                              #20.11 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:46 PM EDT
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                                                                                              Maryland republican

                                                                                              Good grief liberals!!! How about sticking to the script that Obama gave you at your last meeting? He told you to put out good feeling stories and this is the best you can come up with? ROTFLMAO!!!

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                                                                                              Reply#21 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
                                                                                              Morgan S.

                                                                                              There was a meeting? I wasn't invited... Sorry.

                                                                                              Maybe I don't count as a 'liberal' because I carry a gun and know how to use it. I guess I'm out of the club. *sigh*

                                                                                              I'm not very good at feel good stories anyway.

                                                                                              Or maybe, just because someone doesn't hold the precise same ideology as you they don't fall into the nice predictable all-encompassing pattern that you like to define as 'liberal'.

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                                                                                              #21.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:08 AM EDT
                                                                                              Oklahoma Guy

                                                                                              Or maybe, just because someone doesn't hold the precise same ideology as you they don't fall into the nice predictable all-encompassing pattern that you like to define as 'liberal'.

                                                                                              How funny, can you say Arlen Spector???

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                                                                                              #21.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:39 AM EDT
                                                                                              aja2007

                                                                                              people are getting really f'ing tired of the word "rasicm" being used incorrectly. msnbc is full of sick bastards.

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                                                                                              #21.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:18 PM EDT
                                                                                              SGB-958337

                                                                                              So saying Mexicans are pigs, implying that all Mexican workers at restaurants are dirty and wipe their behinds with their hands, or scapegoating illegal immigrants when all of the outbreaks in the U.S. so far have been attributed to legal immigration patterns isn't racist?

                                                                                              Also, did any of you geniuses who are tripping over themselves to label this a "Mexican" flu bother to research the fact that the genome sequence of the virus corresponds to a European/Asian origin? But don't let those facts get in the way.

                                                                                                #21.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:13 PM EDT
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                                                                                                Bigrat-417532Deleted
                                                                                                Tom Cross RN

                                                                                                Angela Salas called these comments "ignorant". First of all, we should be allowed to express our opinions without being called racist or ignorant, especially about a topic like illegal immigrants. Second, there is a reason that things are illegal, ie illegal immigrants. Things are made illegal because they have the potential to cause harm to other people. That is one of the reasons that we are supposed to keep illegal immigrants out of the country, partly because of their potential to spread disease. Tell Ms Salas that it is IGNORANT to believe that you can have a large number of citizens from a country with different education levels and lower knowledge of hygiene practices and not expect trouble like the spread of disease. Third, if they at least all spoke English, like they should, since English is the national language, we could at least have a better chance of working with them to help prevent the spread of any diseases that might be carrying. It costs money for health professionals such as myself to use interpreters to work with this group of clients. Of course I guess that I shouldn't worry about that. Its not like there is an economic crisis or anything, right Ms. Salas?

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                                                                                                Reply#23 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:55 AM EDT
                                                                                                GOZO-unlimited

                                                                                                Since the US and Mexico have open borders and commerce....they really must function as one entity. The problem is that no one is paying attention to the impact the population of Mexico has on states like California. I am not a racist.....but I chose to live in an area of California that is not impacted by illegals. Because I do.....schools, hospitals, and social services are available to the legal population and crime is almost nonexistent.

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                                                                                                #23.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
                                                                                                momof4 in 08

                                                                                                Didn't Mexico already try to infect us wil salmonella a short while ago? There was a lockdown on veggies like tomatoes. There are indeed ways to get to America and live here legally. The reason the rules are in place is to avoid catastrophes like this. I live in an area that is heavy with illegals, and it scares me to death. My children have plenty of their children sitting next to them in class at school. Our state is safe so far, but it borders a state that has been affected. I think it is just a matter of time before it comes to our area as well. My husband, who by the way is black-hispanic, (I am white) and who was born in the U.S., calls it the Mexican Flu with no hesitation. My great-grandfather died of the "Spanish" Flu as it was called back then, but its not politically correct to call something what it truly is nowadays. Anyone who cries racism in this crisis makes about as much sense as people who say being against illegals is a matter of racism. It definitely is not racism because they are here robbing the taxpayers of their hard-earned money. Now they're bringing us diseases we have no cure for and our fool president won't close the borders because he wants all of them in his pocket for the next election.

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                                                                                                #23.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
                                                                                                rightman1

                                                                                                Tom Cross RN, You better try to learn some spanish or you could be replaced by a "Bilingual". but it is unreasonable to expect you to learn 40 different languages to do your work. that would be an interesting lawsuit. to sue your employer in a court that uses english as the accepted language. lol

                                                                                                  #23.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:27 PM EDT
                                                                                                  david-475776

                                                                                                  rightman1 - my job requires me to be multilingular (depending where we are). However that is thru the DLA (Defense Language Academy (Institute)). My concern about not having one standard language as required by most other Countries. Is the tower of babel.

                                                                                                  If I yelled "feugo" at a German Soldier (with GSG9 or einheiten commando). Guess what happens if he did not study Espanol. Nothing; so, we both die.

                                                                                                    #23.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:06 PM EDT
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                                                                                                    Chris-856632

                                                                                                    I'm still waiting to die from Avian Flu. Swine Flu will just have to get in line....Come on people! It's just something for the media to beat to death...

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                                                                                                    Reply#24 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:56 AM EDT
                                                                                                    JmB66

                                                                                                    Wait, I'm so confused. I thought we were dying of mad cow disease. I missed the update on The Disease of the Month; I was in line at Starbuck's.

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                                                                                                    #24.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
                                                                                                    rightman1

                                                                                                    Starbucks is closed due to the H1N1. What line were you in? did you see the Cinco De Mayo parade go by?. count the real racists. uno, dos, tres....

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                                                                                                    #24.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
                                                                                                    moderateandhappy

                                                                                                    Again, not sure how a Cinco de Mayo parade is any more racist than a St. Patrick's Day parade or an Oktober Fest.

                                                                                                      #24.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
                                                                                                      david-475776

                                                                                                      moderateandhappy - Again, not sure how a Cinco de Mayo parade is any more racist than a St. Patrick's Day parade or an Oktober Fest.

                                                                                                      it is if you are French. LOL.

                                                                                                      Go to Mexico and tell them you are French when they are celebrating.

                                                                                                      I don't see Americans marching down the streets or at major cities celebrating beat the Japs and Kraupts day.

                                                                                                        #24.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                        moderateandhappy

                                                                                                        Celebrating freedom is not the same as being racist. We celebrate our freedom every 4th of July.

                                                                                                          #24.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
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                                                                                                          dandr004

                                                                                                          See this is how stupid right-wing nut huggers are. They take a health crisis, and try to pin this on an entire race (Mexicans). Gee; I thought they claimed to hate illegal immigrants from ALL ethnicities, not just Hispanic illegals.

                                                                                                          And how do we know the swine flu was passed on by only illegals? Hello; it's late April/early May. College people returning from Spring Break in Tijuana or Cabo. Idiots.

                                                                                                          I wonder what would happen if the flu had begun in Germany or anywhere else in Europe. I wonder what these nutcases would say. Hmmm.............

                                                                                                          And remember this: viruses know NO race or cultural ethnicities. They take out whoever they want.

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                                                                                                          Reply#25 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:57 AM EDT
                                                                                                          Go USA-851295

                                                                                                          To turn your statement around:

                                                                                                          See this is how left-wing liberals are, they take one article and try to pin the actions described in it on an entire group of people. Gee, I thought they claimed to be inclusive, embracing all people and their ideas.

                                                                                                          Doesn't make much sense, now does it? Be careful making oversweeping generalizations.

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                                                                                                          #25.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
                                                                                                          independant jon

                                                                                                          No one is less tolerant than a liberal-from gays who demand tolerance being intolerant of Rick Warren on inauguration day and PereZ Scumbag demanding tolerance of Miss Cali-and then being intolerant of her answer to Minorities demanding tolerance in all things and exhibiting none of that virtue themselves-no one is less tolerant than a liberal. Very few went on spring break to Cabo or TJ because of the Drug war-another mexican problem harming America and spilling its vileness onto our streets. You're the idiot-and blind to boot.

                                                                                                          Tax-payers are tired of having your garbage shoved down our throats. You non-working scum who sap our strength with your parasitic ways need to prepare yourselves...

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                                                                                                          #25.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:36 AM EDT
                                                                                                          Oklahoma Guy

                                                                                                          independant, you might research before writting. The ones in NY with the flu were students on spring break in Mexico. Man it sucks to be wrong doesn't it??

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                                                                                                          #25.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:43 AM EDT
                                                                                                          Bill-857242

                                                                                                          Is it really a health crisis? All pandemic means is a new infectious disease is spreading throughout the world and is not defined by the number of people it could hypothetically kill. Fear mongering media have hyped it by adding the possibilty of killing millions.

                                                                                                          I lived in China, Guangdong Province which appeared to be the source of SARS (later named Sudden Loss of Perspective Syndrome). A lot of hype and I can't recall exactly but I think a few thousand died around the world over several months. A lot of those who died ignored the symptoms until too late or were particularly more susceptable and would have probably survived if they gotten to help instead of staying or being kept at home. I traveled in and out of China during that time and the main things I noticed at the legal points of entry/exit to the countries were body temperature scanners and filling out a form where I confirmed I wasn't aware of any flu symptoms in me.

                                                                                                          Then we had Bird or Avian flu. A NYT's best seller, aptly named The Bird Flu Hoax, presented the evidence refuting the possibility of a bird flu pandemic and it included evidence of a massive fraud involved with that false "epidemic."

                                                                                                          Malaria kills 3,000 people daily, and it's considered "a health problem." Spanish Influenza killed 20 million in 1918...I'd consider that a killer pandemic.

                                                                                                          As of May 1, 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 331 cases of swine flu infection. Because it's traveling around the world, I guess that makes it a pandemic. But only ten deaths in the world; all of the deaths are from people born in Mexico (Constant Negative News wrongly reported an American/US Citizen had died; unfortunately, it was a Mexican child who had just traveled to Texas). I understand that most of the suspected cases are considered as mild.

                                                                                                          Swine flu is a concern...but please, not yet another killer pandemic the media is tyring to make it out to be. Cover mouth when coughing or sneezing, wash hands, don't kiss pigs, etc and as the Hitchhiker' Guide says, "Don't Panic!" and perhaps this will go the way of Swine Flu scare in 1976, SARS, Bird Flu, and eventually global warming!

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                                                                                                          #25.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
                                                                                                          rightman1

                                                                                                          The one who Died was a Mexican national in Texas. not on spring break. there are thousands of migrant workers bringing drugs and diseases here everyday. so blame it all on Bush. or some college kids in the hamptons. lol

                                                                                                            #25.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:37 PM EDT
                                                                                                            CHAZ29

                                                                                                            This is awesome! Its about time something woke people up.

                                                                                                            I dislike the impact of Mexicans in my country.

                                                                                                            I'm American, white, and I have free speach. I agree the Mexican having the ability to get into America as easily as they do has weakened our nation. It is a avenue for terrorism if they so chose to act upon it, and a blight on our social systems and communities.

                                                                                                            So it is good in my mind that we have something to open our eyes to the damage these people have done to our nation, and if we are lucky we'll have motivation to do something about it...

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                                                                                                            #25.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:18 PM EDT
                                                                                                            david-475776

                                                                                                            dandr004 - I wonder what would happen if the flu had begun in Germany or anywhere else in Europe.

                                                                                                            They (epidemiologists) would have named it based on the epi center. Like the Marburg Ebola, after Marburg Germany. So this is still the Mexican Flu, with the epi center being Mexico City.

                                                                                                              #25.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:46 PM EDT
                                                                                                              Denver Bob

                                                                                                              The biggest problem I see is that to date - the only deaths have been Mexican (including the child in Texas). SO everyone wants to blame the Mexicans - how stupid is that. It could be that there is a genetic trait in the people that died that the virus happens to leverage.

                                                                                                              The Egyptians were killing off all their pigs because they didn’t want to catch the swine flu - what hysteria - the only cases of swine flu within a thousand miles are two Israelis.

                                                                                                              Come on people - Yes it is contagious – Transmitted from human to human. Not Mexican to Brother or Caucasian. Human to Human.

                                                                                                              The big problem this time is that it contains genetic material from Bird-Swine-Human flu’s something the human body has not seen (or at least recently) – Nature is attempting to modify itself – the Flu virus is an expert at changing it’s genetic makeup so that the immune system has to reinvent a defense each time it encounters a modified strain. This time it came up with a combo. Watch out for the next flu season.

                                                                                                              In the current age of air travel – it is possible to have viruses go global in a very, very short period of time – what took years in 1918-1919 has taken days. But the deaths have been limited to one race of people so far.

                                                                                                              Lets learn from this – we are all brother’s under the skin – stop the racism and hysteria --let’s figure out a cure and one-up nature.

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                                                                                                              #25.8 - Sat May 2, 2009 1:08 AM EDT
                                                                                                              Publius ReduxDeleted
                                                                                                              independant jon

                                                                                                              Oklahoma Guy-

                                                                                                              You might learn to spell before "writting..." And you tell me how it sucks being wrong when Mexico's tourism is down by over 90%...you liar

                                                                                                                #25.10 - Tue May 12, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                ysolde

                                                                                                                Sigh. Some things never change. I don't know why people choose to hate, to blame the "other" for a particular strain of influenza, which is nothing more than nature at work. Diseases don't stop at the borders (and if I see one more person spelling that word as "boarders," I am gonig to have to give a small lecture on the difference between the two -- hint: you cannot shut down "boarders," as "boarders" are people).

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                                                                                                                Reply#26 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:57 AM EDT
                                                                                                                Jowand

                                                                                                                We don't seam to be able to shut down borders either do we.

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                                                                                                                #26.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:47 AM EDT
                                                                                                                L.B

                                                                                                                I understand what you are saying but there has got to be a method to the madness....

                                                                                                                I'm not racist and I don't want to start a race baiting topic... I just want to know why people can break the law and expect to be rewarded with a job.

                                                                                                                It's taxing our system. For example, I live and work in Austin Texas. When my son needed some tutoring at his school he could not get it... The only tutoring class in that subject was a spanish speaking class... Now do you know where my frustrations lie. Being a veteran of 2 branchs of the United States Armed Forces and I can't get help from the school system unless my child speaks spanish....

                                                                                                                That tutoring class had to have some illegal aliens in there, I don't care what anybody says....

                                                                                                                I feel the frustrations of many Americans....

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                                                                                                                #26.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
                                                                                                                George-376881

                                                                                                                I can't understand this....................... The US government has mandated this not the Mexican people. Please put blame were it belongs.

                                                                                                                  #26.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:13 PM EDT
                                                                                                                  rdmj74

                                                                                                                  Thank you ysolde,

                                                                                                                  There is no reason we have to blame this on any one race. Some body posted earlier that it was the migrant workers coming up from Mexico bringing drugs and disease, don't forget that we have American citizens that go to Mexico and do the same thing. If we can blame anyone, blame the humans for their ignorance that is broadcasted out over the airwaves. Even the "Spanish" flu of 1918 had its point of origin in Fort Riley, Kansas. The index case has been traced back to the company cook Albert Gitchell - sounds spanish to me. Oh, and to L.B., thank you sir for serving our great nation.

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                                                                                                                  #26.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
                                                                                                                  Anonymous-348035

                                                                                                                  rdmj74 -- Millions of Mexicans and other nationalities cross our borders and bring drugs and disease.

                                                                                                                  There is no way to compare their numbers to "American ctizens that ...do the same thing."

                                                                                                                  It's as if when a person says they see a house on fire, you responded, "Yeah, well, over here there's a lit match."

                                                                                                                  Illegal aliens are not spreading swine flu through illegal entry, but they are bringing other diseases here that were once considered eridicated. Perhaps you'll see the situation differently when you or a love one develops treatment-resistant TB, chagas, leprosy, etc.

                                                                                                                    #26.5 - Mon May 11, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
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