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Wells Fargo asked to raise money after stress test

Mon May 4, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
business, politics, banks, test, wells-fargo, stress-test
Daniel Wagner, AP Business Writer

FILE - In this Feb. 11, 2009 file photo, Wells Fargo & Co. President and Chief Executive Officer John Stumpf testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, before the House Financial Services Committee. Stumpf thinks the recession may be nearing an end, but still isn't feeling optimistic enough to set a timetable for repaying the $25 billion that U.S. taxpayers invested in the bank last fall. "There are rays of hope," Stumpf said Tuesday, April 28, 2009, at Wells Fargo's annual shareholders meeting. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari, file)

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WASHINGTON — Regulators have told Wells Fargo & Co. it may need to shore up its finances after government "stress tests" showed the bank would have trouble surviving a deeper recession.

Wells Fargo is one of several banks that regulators said would need larger buffers to protect them against possible future losses, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the process.

The initial stress test results were revealed to the banks last month. Wells Fargo has until Tuesday to convince officials the results were mistaken and that the bank does not need to adjust its finances.

Wells Fargo spokeswoman Julia Tunis Bernard declined to comment.

After originally being scheduled for release Monday, the results of the government's stress tests now are expected Thursday afternoon. The delay comes amid aggressive lobbying from banks that were told they would need to boost their capital positions.

The stress tests of the 19 largest financial firms are a centerpiece of the Obama administration's plan to stabilize the banks. The tests estimate losses the banks would face in a "what-if" scenario that includes 10.3 percent unemployment and a 22 percent drop in home prices during the next two years.

If the test showed that dismal economy would push a bank below a minimum level of capital, regulators asked the bank to find a way to boost its finances.

One way to do that would be to convert preferred shares held by the government or other lenders into common stock. That would help the Treasury avoid returning to Congress for more bailout money, but it would dilute the value of common shares and put taxpayer dollars at greater risk.

Banks also could be given six months to raise money from private investors. If that doesn't work, the government could give them additional money from the $700 billion financial system bailout.

The government will brief banks Tuesday on its final decisions about their appeals.

Regulators have said they will not allow any of the 19 firms to fail because it would be too dangerous for the rest of the financial system.

Wells Fargo holds billions of dollars in mortgage, construction and credit card loans. The stress test treated those loans as especially vulnerable since borrowers would face trouble repaying their debts in a much worse economy.

Analysts expect regional banks that were stress tested also may be told to raise capital, since their holdings are similarly tilted toward loans. Cleveland-based KeyCorp and Cincinnati-based Fifth Third Bancorp are among the banks in this situation.

Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup Inc. also have been disputing preliminary findings that they needed to boost capital, sources have told The Associated Press.

Spokesmen for New York-based Citigroup and Charlotte, N.C.-based Bank of America would not comment on whether the banks had been asked to raise more capital.

But Bank of America spokesman Scott Silvestri called a news report that it plans to raise $10 billion "completely inaccurate." Bank of America has not been given a final figure from the Federal Reserve, he said.

Andrew Marquardt, a bank analyst at Fox-Pitt Kelton, said Wells Fargo's capital risk is fairly minimal.

"If indeed they need additional capital, it's going to be a fairly modest amount and fairly insignificant in terms of dilution," he said. "I think their earnings power is far greater than most in the industry."

Marquardt said one reason for that strength is that Wells Fargo already has marked down 60 percent of the lifetime losses on its loan portfolio.

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett, whose company Berkshire Hathaway owns about 6.85 percent of Wells Fargo's shares, said he doesn't believe the bank needs additional capital.

Besides Wells Fargo, Berkshire owns shares of three other banks the government subjected to stress tests: US Bancorp, SunTrust Banks Inc. and Bank of America.

"I can tell you that US Bancorp and Wells Fargo are extremely strong banks," Buffett said Monday in an interview with CNBC. "They have terrific earning power, and earning power is enormously important in what happens to a business in the future. And you couldn't have two better banks virtually positioned than those two for future earnings."

But Buffett said the stress test results might not fully reflect the banks' strength. A company with low production costs but lots of debt might survive a recession but flunk the test, while a company with high production costs and no debt might ace the test but could not survive price declines, he said.

Buffett said Wells Fargo has the lowest cost of production of any of the big banks.

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AP Business Writers Sara Lepro and Madlen Read in New York and Josh Funk in Omaha, Neb., contributed to this report.

(This version CORRECTS name of Fifth Third Bancorp in graf 13.)

© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Absolute Zero

This is not surprising! The question is how much needs to be raised? And if they can’t? Well, we already know the answer to that!

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Mon May 4, 2009 11:55 AM EDT
Free_Spirit1184

So, reading between the lines - he is having to take tax money as a buffer against losses, and he's complaining about it. What a tough way to have to earn a mega-million $ annual salary. I'd settle for just one year of the taxes he should have to pay without all of the loopholes. The haves have definitely got it made. It's enough to jolt a moderate into becoming a socialist. Bring on the regulations!

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon May 4, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
Menachem Ben Yakov

The first report of this information I have found is from Daniel Wagoner, an AP reporter. Wahoner also claims this from an " un-named source ".

If it turns out to be untrue and the stock dives an investigation would be in order.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wells-Fargo-asked-to-raise-apf-15120350.html?.v=9

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Mon May 4, 2009 12:12 PM EDT
gamerk2

Hmmm...remember when Republicans let banks take on more debt?

I already predict the next banking crisis will be caused by removing "Mark to mark" accounting rules, which will cause the de-valuation of assets, and when companies need to liquidize, investors will find that the assets the company listed were far below what they actually had at that point in time.

In short, one of the solutions to the current crisis (Inflate the bank balance sheets) will cause the next one. You heard it here first.

Or, we could pass a law requiring banks have <20% debt to income ratios...

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Mon May 4, 2009 12:29 PM EDT
Sgt C USMC

Gamerk,

It's mark to market, and it doesn't cause devaluation , but rather forces companies to report the loss based at what THEY paid for it, not what it's currently worth. It's the corporate equivliant of you trying to sell your 1986 Honda hatchback for what you paid for it in 1986. It disallows depreciation of assets , which keeps bad assets on the books , which drives down the company's P/E ratio, which causes their share price to drop. In an effort to improve , they turn to the easiest solution - laying off workers.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Mon May 4, 2009 12:59 PM EDT
bigbugy

Sgt,

You are 100% correct in your assessment.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Tue May 5, 2009 1:55 AM EDT
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GlassMan30

"what-if" scenario that includes 10.3 percent unemployment and a 22 percent drop in home prices during the next two years.

Is this where the regulators think we are headed? So much for 'hope'...

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Mon May 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
Sgt C USMC

The regulators offered a 'worse-case scenario' to make sure that the bank can survive. Just like in the military, we don't train for things being perfect, but we train for the absolute worst. If you train for the worst, then you're prepared for anything UP to that.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Mon May 4, 2009 1:01 PM EDT
Own Up!!

Perhaps the congressional budget should also undergo the same stress test, less taxes, increased spending, increased governmental borrowing? It would be interesting to see what the CBO would report our national debt to be after the same stress test.

If you train for the worst, then you're prepared for anything UP to that.

$36, 761 is one persons share of the national debt!!! Ready to pay now or are you going to pass this and more on to your kids? Tax reform is needed now, and business will shut down if it gets to bad and move overseas.

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Mon May 4, 2009 2:24 PM EDT
Free_Spirit1184

Own Up

I find your opinion short-sighted and lacking historical perspective. It's time you good folks expanded your vision and accepted reality. Not only would that approach broaden your horizon, it would get us back politically to looking at a candidate's competence, not just his/her party. The days of us swallowing Republican core values as the answer to current challenges are gone.

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Mon May 4, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
* The Dead Head *

Sgt C USMC

S.N.A.F.U..............

Oh yeah................&............................ NO EXCUSES

  • 1 vote
#5.4 - Mon May 4, 2009 2:40 PM EDT
Own Up!!

Free_Spirit1184,

I find your opinion short-sighted and lacking historical perspective. It's time you good folks expanded your vision and accepted reality. Not only would that approach broaden your horizon, it would get us back politically to looking at a candidate's competence, not just his/her party. The days of us swallowing Republican core values as the answer to current challenges are gone.

What is short-sighted? That you and I both owe $36,761 as our share of the national debt? That your kids and mine will be paying for this debt we have allowed through the last however many years? History--once the country started in debt we have never paid it off. Sounds like history, looks to the future of our kids--please explain yourself.

Reality--WE'RE IN DEBT!!! A COMMUNIST COUNTRY OWNS OUR DEBT! Reality is we have a president who is putting us more in debt (regardless of party). Spend more money we'll be out of debt in no time. OK--I think my creditors would probably cut me off before I could spend enough to get out of debt--what makes our government think any differently? I don't care who is in office, spending won't get you or the government out of debt--just ask home owners who have been forclosed on (why don't you go tell them to spend more).

Vision is great, I have 20/20 with glasses that are clear, not rose colored. What Vision do you refer to? That my kids and I will work to pay our portion of the debt? That my kids will work for the government more than they work for themselves (April 13 this year is when I have paid my tax obligation). http://www.taxfoundation.org/ The vision of FREE healthcare (when are people going to learn nothing is free). Please share a vision, but with a vision show me the plan to get there and how to fund it along with measureable goals on a timeline.)

My Horizon is great, I have about 180 degrees all the way around, no tall building, no mountains (I wish there were though). I see the future and frankly--it doesn't make me happy--no I am not scared--I'M ANGRY. Thank god I have friends to vent with, including here--so no I am not postal nor am I am radical--just angry that we're spending spending spending.

Competence--a community organizer before becoming a US Senator for 3--count them 3 years. Illinois Senator for 6-7 yrs. Taught constitutional law and was a civil rights attorney for 12yrs. OK, maybe he can organize and know civil rights and constitutional law. How do your run a country (I hope it isn't run the same way the presidential race was run but he traveled extensively around the world for support)? Do you set the example by spending, spending, spending? Our President doesn't know business but he is the first president to "invest" in dying companies--GM, Chrysler, AIG, Banks!! Why? Because they are to Big to fail? Please answer this one question (not that there is no incentive for them to be profitable as they are to big to fail and we won't let them fail--sounds like the Govt with no incentive to save costs to me). I question his compentence--convince me otherwise.

I am not republican, but I am conservative. I belive in civil unions between people of the same sex, but wouldn't call it marriage I still think that is a stretch. I believe is less restrictions and more personal responsibility. I believe in affordable health care for those who pay taxes. I believe that everyone should pay taxes, not just the 50% that pay 97% (by the way according to Turbo tax my tax liability was about 4% last year so I am by no means "rich" and probably fall into the bottom 50%) I believe that each person can make a better life for themselves and their family through hard work, determination, and fortitude but that does not come from the Government in a food stamp program.

What do you stand for? Notice everything I believe should not cost anything to those paying taxes, and for those things that do cost I am willing to pay fair tax (fairtax.org). I am willing to pay my way--are you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama, for the competency information

  • 1 vote
#5.5 - Mon May 4, 2009 4:49 PM EDT
Jay Larson

THe bank stress tests are hardly the worst case scenario. If the economy contnues to contract at something moderately close to its current rate of contraction (with the current "green shoots" added in) considering credit squeeze,unemployment, increasing foreclosures, capacity utilization rates, massive federal debt, the chinese wild card, etc, etc, etc. , we could blow through the stress test parameters in a heartbeat.

  • 1 vote
#5.6 - Mon May 4, 2009 11:54 PM EDT
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Gary in Olympia

But didn't Wells Fargo post a record $3.05 billion in net earnings for the first quarter of 2009? What does a bank have to do to fail the stress test?

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Mon May 4, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
Own Up!!

This is the country where we all pass, there are no failing grades and no one is left behind. We're all the same, we all deserve the same wage, we all deserve a house, car, boat, etc.

Let's get real Americans. The government won't let them fail, so they have no incentive to change right now, they can increase everyone's wages to keep them at the company, but even if they post a loss the government won't let them fail. The government will more than likely own its first bank within 4 years (I hope I am wrong).

NO Bank failures, but many are out of their homes, cars, jobs, on the street, breaking the law and squating. Love the past, present and future administrations--NOT.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Mon May 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
* The Dead Head *

Paper will just lay there and you can write what ever net earnings on it you want.....and if you get caught......that's what erasers are for...........

  • 2 votes
#6.2 - Mon May 4, 2009 5:03 PM EDT
bigbugy

Gary,

Posted earnings are not represenative of the health of any company,especially one that has had record losses due to bad loans.

Wells Fargo could have had earnings over 5 billion and still been in the red after losses.

  • 2 votes
#6.3 - Tue May 5, 2009 2:00 AM EDT
* The Dead Head *

Wells Fargo bought my mortgage 2 years ago, 6 months after I refinanced and called me everyday for another 6 months. I finally picked up and she said "Wecome to Wells Fargo, we bought your loan and we would like to help refinance you into a lower payment"....seriously, they called me to offer a lower payment......a couple of days later a big envelope came with a new loan agreement in it......They offered me an APR - at that time it would have lowered my payment a whole $200 a month.....but today I'd be paying about $500 a month more.......... CROOKS...........

  • 2 votes
#6.4 - Tue May 5, 2009 6:30 AM EDT
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Bev-341827

I'm not taking this article seriously, starting with quoting people who wish to remain anonymous.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Mon May 4, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
bigbugy

Bev, well put.

  • 2 votes
#7.1 - Tue May 5, 2009 2:00 AM EDT
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* The Dead Head *

Gary

What does a bank have to do to fail the stress test?

Go meet my cardiologist.....................cha,cha..............

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Mon May 4, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
bigdabber

America's Big Bank Race

All of the big bank are lined up at the starting line...Get on your mark! Get set! Go!!!!!!!

The biggest race of banks takes place and the bets are being placed on most of the long shots.

Some of the giants appear to be full of holes and are leaking money faster than they can take it in.

Who is really going to win and who's going to lose is seen by many as an easy call.

The one thing that the racers haven't considered very loudly is that some of their depositors are gone.

Without the sponsor of the depositors will the fast deflating banks make it to the finish line??? ... Daniel A. Berry

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Tue May 5, 2009 12:44 PM EDT
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