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Falling prices could bring a nasty hangover

Fri May 15, 2009 10:37 AM EDT
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Shoppers move through the aisles at the Wal-Mart Super Center in Springfield, Ill., Wednesday May 13, 2009. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is reporting a flat first-quarter profit Thursday, as revenue was hurt by the stronger dollar. (AP Photo/Seth Perlman)

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— Call it one of the recession's silver linings — with each passing day, the purchasing power of each consumer dollar is getting stronger.

But if it keeps up, and prices continue to fall, that boost in buying power comes with some nasty side effects, say economists.

The government reported Friday that consumer prices fell over the past 12 months at the fastest rate since Dwight D. Eisenhower was president.

Prices were flat in April after dropping 0.1 percent in March, leaving the Consumer Price Index 0.7 percent lower than it was a year ago, according to the Labor Department. That's the biggest 12-month decline since June 1955.

General deflation of any kind has not been seen in the United States since the 1950s, and benefits cash-strapped consumers looking for bargains and retirees trying to live on a fixed income.

Falling prices also help savers. If consumer prices are falling 1 percent a year, the real (price-adjusted) return on a bank CD paying 2 percent magically becomes 3 percent.

And falling prices are a terrific antidote to the stagnant wage growth that has weighed on many U.S. households since the last recession ended in 2001. Even if your boss freezes your wages, when prices are falling 2 percent a year, your real wage is rising 2 percent.

The flip side is that borrowers and consumers carrying heavy debt loads see their burden increase. As prices fall, the purchasing power of your dollars goes up, so your future monthly payments will take a bigger bite out of your spending power. That means if you’re paying 8 percent on a mortgage, and prices are falling 2 percent a year, your borrowing cost in real, price-adjusted terms is 10 percent.

Household borrowers are not the only ones who need to worry about falling prices. The threat of continued deflation is a thorny problem for businesses, and government policymakers including Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. The risk is that the drop in prices begins to feed on itself. Lower prices take a big bite out of employers’ profits, which forces wage cuts or layoffs. That cuts consumer spending and demand, which brings more price cuts to spur sales.

“Once you get more downward pressure on wage and prices and it’s hard to get yourself out of that cycle,” said Brian Bethune, chief U.S. economist at IHS Global Insight.

Take the falling price of airline tickets, which have dropped for eight straight months — down another 1.5 percent in April, according to government data.

As the recession grinds on, consumers continue to postpone discretionary travel, further weakening demand. Business travel is also off sharply according to Mark Masuda, who manages airline partnerships with Travel Leaders, a Minneapolis-based travel company.  

“They’re putting the screws to their budgets and holding their travel and entertainment expenses down,” he said. “Once they get comfortable that consumers are coming back, they’re going to have to get out and see customers and find new customers and you’re going to see that travel increase as well."

Until then, the only way for airlines to fill planes is to cut fares.  If that keeps up, airlines can afford to lose only so much money before they make steeper cuts in their schedules, which means lower wages for their workers. As those workers spend less on other products and services, the lower demand forces wider cuts in prices.

Since the recession began over a year ago, changes in consumer prices have been uneven. While some categories have fallen, others continue to post gains, especially for goods and services where prices are regulated or changes take time to work their way through the system. Medicare reimbursements don’t fall if fewer patients show up for a given procedure. When bus ridership goes down, fares rarely follow. (Fares may even have to go up to make up for the revenue shortfall.) If an office building has lots of vacant space, most business tenants won’t get a break on their rent until their lease it up.

But there’s evidence that consumer prices are falling faster than the so-called “headline” consumer price index.

Take housing prices, for example. As of February, home prices nationwide had fallen by more than 18 percent in the prior 12 months, according to the S&P/Case Schiller Home Price Index. The National Association of Realtors, which uses a separate formula, figures home prices in the first quarter of this year were nearly 14 percent lower than a year earlier.

But the housing component of the government’s price formula — which makes up about a third of the Consumer Price Index — shows housing costs have risen about 1.5 percent in the 12 months ending in March.  One big reason is that since 1983 the government has measured homeowners’ housing costs with “rental equivalence” — what they would pay to rent their own home. (The Labor Department says it made the change to strip out the investment gains homeowners enjoy when home prices are rising.)

Critics of the inflation formula say it tends to understate the inflationary effects of housing prices on the way up and is now underestimating the drop in consumer prices as housing prices have fallen.

“The reality is that deflation will become more apparent in the CPI numbers as we look forward over the next few months,” said Bethune.

Economists are divided on how long prices will keep falling. A lot depends on how long it takes for the economy to start growing again. With consumer spending making up 70 percent of the gross domestic product, that won’t happen until consumers get back in a spending mood.

The economy has been shedding more than half a million jobs a month, so most households have sharply boosted savings for a rainy day. Until the job market stabilizes, consumers will likely remain skittish.

Consumers' discretionary spending in April dropped 90 percent compared to a year ago, according to Britt Beemer, Chairman of America's Research Group, a market research firm.

“The only thing they bought this year compared to last year was major appliances because they had to buy them because the one they had in their home was broken," said Beemer. "That tells you their mindset.” 

Falling prices may throw even more cold water on spending. Why buy a new car if you expect prices to fall further in the next six months?

Consumers aren’t the only ones motivated to hoard cash when prices fall. Banks lending money become leery about accepting collateral that is losing value: If the borrower doesn’t pay back the loan, the bank is at greater risk for losing money.

American households have also cut spending and boosted savings to try to fill the huge hole created by the twin collapse of the stock and housing markets, which destroyed trillions of dollars of wealth they were counting on for retirement. With 401(k) accounts in tatters, millions of older Americas are putting off retirement and regrouping.   

“If a lot of consumers think they're going to have to work three (or) five years longer, they're not going to change their spending habits for a long time,” said Beemer. “I feel we're going to be in this retail deep freeze until Labor Day 2010. There's just too many issues out there consumers have got to get beyond before they’re going to have any money to spend.”

A true downward deflationary spiral hasn’t been seen in this country since the Great Depression. Now, the threat of deflation has spurred the Federal Reserve to undertake an unprecedented program of “reflating” the economy with a $1 trillion expansion in lending to pump more money into the financial system.

The hope is that all that money will offset the collapse in wealth from the housing and financial markets and prevent deflation from taking hold.

In the short run, the plan seems to be working. The drop in housing prices is slowing; so is the rise in job losses. The historic government response has been generally well-received by the public. But it remains to be seen what the longer-term impact of these policies will be.

“The electorate doesn't have a high degree of tolerance for a lot of pain,” said Michael Darda,   Chief Economist at MKM Partners. “People don't like rising unemployment and falling incomes. So they want government action.”

But the long term impact of these policies is still an open question, said Darda. The huge expansion of government debt could bring a crushing tax burden that hurts the economy. The Fed’s lending spree could bring major distortoins in the money supply and spark a longer-term bout of inflation.  

“(The government response) does certainly increase the potential for probably a more rapid rebound — and then a possibly a  hangover effect,” said Darda.

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willie-749103

Just wait, with the printing presses running 3 shifts inflation is going to be massive once it hits.

When Uncle Sam tries to smooth things out he either makes them last longer or really causes a disaster. Time will tell which is happening.

Another non news non thought out report on why the economy is "just about to get better"

They turned out the light at the end of the tunnel to save money.

  • 7 votes
#1 - Fri May 15, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
goldfish4obamaDeleted
GOZO-unlimited

It doesn't seem that deflation has affected CEO pay and benies......If businesses want to stay in business....they must stop ripping-off the American people.....and provide a product that has value. They are going to have to stop dictating and start listening and putting an effort into moving into the 21st century. The people have moved on.....and left the bull$#%@ behind.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:48 PM EDT
Peregrin

I hate feeding the trolls. So let's see. Instead of millions of consumers going into credit card debt, we have entrepeneurs forced to cut prices and possibly big fat bonuses for CEO's and such. My question is " Is this really going to end capitalism as we know it or is it going to bring a touch of sanity to American businesses?"

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT
intelligent one-411352

This is the stupidest statement I have ever heard:

Even if your boss freezes your wages, when prices are falling 2 percent a year, your real wage is rising 2 percent.

I thought we were through with all of this smudging of numbers, as a poster stated WHAT is going down, not gas, not food, not insurance, not utilities, AND DEFINITELY NOT TAXES. This is a load of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 13 votes
#1.4 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:35 PM EDT
Something new please

intelligent one-411352

You don't believe in the concept of "real wages"? Wow! Actually, all of the things you mentioned "gas, not food, not insurance, not utilities" have gone down in the past year. Think about where gas and food prices, in particular, were last year. Where I sopy they were higher. Regardless, the point of the article is that you don't necessarily want them to go down. While it seems nice in theory, it can be indicative of other things (deflation) that are disastrous for an economy. In other words, do you care how cheap gas is when you're out of a job? I'll take high gas and employment, as would most people. Personally, I'm with willie-749103. It's inflation that will come once the rest of the world's economies have stabilized. We're printing money too fast. You can expect double digit interest rates by 2012

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:43 PM EDT
MotorCity RockDeleted
Ryan in Texas

The Massive gov't spending that will require equally massive printing of money gets barely mentioned in the last paragraph.

Give me a break, inflation is coming!

So what, is the media going to scare us with deflation so we all say "Please Mr. Obama, please print more money so we can have good old inflation."?

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:48 PM EDT
Freedom Writer-801740

Something new please, where the heck do you live, the only thing that i noticed going down was the price of gas, everything else I have in my house has continuted going up including the utilities. Not to mention my state taxes. The 13 dollars a pay that bama gave me doesnt even cover what I am actually having to spent out of pocket right now. So please take your "in theory" somewhere else, because in reality I am worse off than I was last year.

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT
Tim Pheil

Pray tell where is the magical land of deflation. If anything food has gone up 5-7% energy 10-15% household goods at least 15%. Gas has gone up 15% even tho we have a glut of oil. And thats been in the last 6 mths. The only thing that I've seen go down is the price of autos. But not the small high mpg ones. Only the giant gas guzzling ones that Detroit makes they can't give away. Yeah, that's what I want is another 20 mpg auto. So they think that a mark down at Walmart is a sign of deflation. Its called a sale numbnuts. Don't let first graders do market research.

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:44 PM EDT
intelligent one-411352

Something New,

Of course you can also look forward to double digit unemployment, so with your logic I guess your boss can fire you for a cheaper worker since there will be a much larger pool of workers to choose from, and pretty soon we will be working for a LIVING wage.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:47 PM EDT
stackedhippiechick

As I have posted before, we will see deflation, inflation, then hyper-inflation. Has there been a decline in the price of food?

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:47 PM EDT
Freedom Writer-801740

Tim I think that deflation is in existence in the land of deluded nut jobs. Or to put in another way anywhere people who either dont face reality, or they get everything provided for them.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:47 PM EDT
addiem

I keep hearing prices will deflate. Even gas locally (socal) was $2.49 at Shell yesterday, up from earlier in the week. Would like to get a laptop, Best Buy has a good deal on one with a 5 & 1/2 hour batter, pretty good - but will they go down even more?

I just got off the phone with Citibank, ticked because I did not pay my $801 bill on time, oops, a couple days late. They charged me over $86!! $39 for the $801, plus then again on the new total, because the interest rate jumped to about 25%! Since we have been with them over 20 years, the csr took off the charge, although I understood the penalty of paying late, the extra $47 charge was insane. People that do not pay off their cards each month, how are they ever going to be able to get out from under their debts??? We know inflation is coming, double digit no doubt as mentioned. This is going to go from bad to worse.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:50 PM EDT
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Tom-495906

I hear alot about gas, and alot of ignorant libertarian types here are belching alot of gas, but the truth is in the consumption numbers, which are DOWN from last year, both here and everywhere else except for China and India, which are seeing a slight climb in consumption (but not enough to offset declines elsewhere). Current rises in gas are the oil companies anticipating a rise in consumption based on outdated information, and I predict that come Memorial Day weekend, prices willl start falling again as consumption fails to increase. As for food, prices there are based on year old data, so current conditiions haven't worked thru the system yet. Everything else, is in facting getting cheaper. Clothes are cheaper, home goods are cheaper, home prices are still in freefall - in short, deflation is already working thru the global economy. And, every period of deflation, 1835-1845, 1872-1886, 1892-1900, 1930-1940, takes about a decade to work thru and usually results in some major shift in economics and poitical power. As for inflation, we are just keeping things slowly ticking over at this point, the blather currently coming out from 'economists' or as I call them, voodoo witch doctors, about 'recovery' in the fall, is based on nothing discernable other than a peter pan type of wishing and flying on happy thoughts. We have considerably LESS money today than we did in in the first half of 2008, as those lovely ponzi scheme mortgage backed securities aren't worth the several hundred TRILLION dollars they were supposed to represent (if you want 'inflation' there it is, courtesy of wall street) In fact, the face value of those securities, at the height of that BS was at least three HUNDRED TIMES the worth of the TOTAL GLOBAL ECONOMY. And, now all that 'money' has vanished into the ether, with nary a trace. But, then I don't expect most of the idiots here to understand how money is created within the credit system, since most of you morons are as illiterate about economic issues as you are about history, politics, religion, or any other topic not covered by American Idol, or People Magazine, or the New York Post, not to mention faux noise.

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Fri May 15, 2009 8:03 PM EDT
loveitorleaveit.

Inflation/Deflation-Supply/Demand

What it must comes down to is, is a F'in loaf of bread worth $12.50, or a G of milk $10.25 or maybe some sh-t box 2 bedroom home that was built in the 60's worth $385,000.00

We need to stop F-ing our neighbors, our children and our friends. Things need to stabilize before we can determine their real value. I say if you haven't done so yet why not put your stock in God… peace Michael

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Fri May 15, 2009 8:35 PM EDT
Something new please

Freedom Writer-801740

With all due respect to you and what you've noticed, it's a big world out there. And in that world, prices have gone down. If your supermarket is gouging you on flour and corn, I'm sorry for you. But prices for those commodities has gone down. Electricity is up from a couple of months ago because that's what happens when you get into the summer months, but it's cheaper than it was last year. Now, I'm referring to generation charges. Your local utility company may have successfully petitioned for transmission charges to be increased, but the cost of energy itself is down. So, just to be clea, I wasn't speaking "in theory" but very much in reality. Again, I can't and won't speak to your particular situation, but neither was the author of the article. I'm sorry you're worse off than you were a year ago. I hope next year finds you better.

    #1.17 - Fri May 15, 2009 9:02 PM EDT
    Something new please

    Tom-495906

    Well said.

      #1.18 - Fri May 15, 2009 9:05 PM EDT
      jamesduke5924

      So right, but where is the deflation. Everytime I go to the store I pay more for grocery staples than I ever have before. The beings in control of the government will not stop until they have ground this country down so much they can turn it into a socialist government.

      • 3 votes
      #1.19 - Fri May 15, 2009 9:06 PM EDT
      Something new please

      intelligent one-411352

      You raise an obvious and true point about unemployment. I think a lot of people are afraid of that. I have a job (for now), but I still check out the classifieds. I see employers looking for ridiculously experienced people with top academic credentials and offering joke money. Scary stuff. I'm not sure what you think "my logic" is, but I'll bet we agree on more than you think.

      • 1 vote
      #1.20 - Fri May 15, 2009 9:09 PM EDT
      CBWY777Deleted
      Jekyll

      First off inflation is the artificial increase in the money supply-period!! The FED has created TRILLIONS of phony money over the past 12 months!! Rising prices is a CONSEQUENCE of inflation. Anyone who honestly thinks that we need to create more phony money or who believes that inflation is not in our future...well I advise you to pick up a book and educate yourself. And I don't mean a book written by Paully "the clown" Krugman or any other Keynesian clowns who NEVER saw this crisis coming!!!!!! Also the fact that there are people who believe anything that Bernanke says is simply laughable. Yep, just like when Helicopter Ben enlightened us in 2007 when he said that his FED regulators found NOTHING wrong with the housing market, and that the problem will resolve itself by December of 2007!!!! Are you kidding me? How the hell can anyone believe this clown? The same goes for the so-called "maestro" Alan Greenspan who would be the Ace of Spades in the 52 card deck of villains responsible for this crisis. Geigthner would be a close second because he headed the NY FED bank which has a lot of control over the money supply. Wake up people!!!!

      • 2 votes
      #1.22 - Sat May 16, 2009 8:28 AM EDT
      saxon

      consumers have been ahead of the curve all along; In 2007, the cconsumers started to pull back, even when the economists were issuing glowing reports. THE REASON prices are falling is the American consumer is out of money, his retirement moneys have been either stolen or watered down, his job is in question,there are no,zero, jobs being created at the middle class level, the infrastructure is falling apart, States,Cities,towns are all broke; and the worst part is, our Government does not understand this; printing more money will just deflate the value of the money that is out there. We are all in deep du-du.

        #1.23 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
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        Paul Lucero

        The media assumes we are all to stupid to know that government is killing us not Wall Street.

        The recession is not getting better and the Obomba administration is not helping anybody but the banks.

        Americans need to fire all elected officials and demand spending cuts now!

        • 11 votes
        Reply#2 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:08 PM EDT
        12345-908903

        Agree with your last sentence.

        • 7 votes
        #2.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:21 PM EDT
        Marty-308743

        Agree with all of ´em.

        • 5 votes
        #2.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:39 PM EDT
        Peregrin

        I hate feeding the trolls. So what you are saying is stop the Obama spending. The "W" spending was ok? I mean gee whiz. Call me a tax and spend liberal all you like. At least taxing the American people means we do not have to borrow from the communists like we have been for the last 8 years. Where is the outrage from the McCarthyists for the last 8 years? DUH and a half. Change what you like in your cheneyesque BS.

        • 2 votes
        #2.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT
        Tim Pheil

        A market correction due to by severe over inflation due to a housing bubble do not count as deflation. Especially since those price still haven't gone down to pre bubble levels. A house doesn't double or triple in value in 2 yrs. But hey if you were able to sell at those artificially inflated levels, good for you. A 2/1 is not worth 400K.

          #2.4 - Sat May 16, 2009 2:05 PM EDT
          KD858

          The real deflation problem is ASSET DEFLATION, as in the price of your house or the value of your stock portfolio down 50%. These involve big numbers and a real loss of wealth and that is the real problem. If a loaf of bread becomes a little less expense, who cares?

          Most of the money printing is going into a financial black hole to absorb losses of irresponsible "too big to fail" companies.

          Sooner or later when inflation manifests itself as a result of the money printing, we will transform from a deflationary recession/depression to an inflationary recession/depression with high unemployment in either case.

          The value of your home may rise again, but selling it or refinancing it will not be easy as there will be few buyers and high mortgage rates.

          The problem will just tranform into another kind of problem.

            #2.5 - Sun May 17, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
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            Simpler Man

            they deleted my posts. Crazy stuff. Good posts above.

              Reply#3 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:10 PM EDT
              Simpler Man

              The financial circuit breakers will trip soon. When that happens the economy will black out. At that point we will begin to hear the truth.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#4 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
              12345-908903

              "...begin to hear the truth." But will we want to ???? I don't think any of us can handle the truth.

              • 2 votes
              #4.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
              Greg-281912

              I can't handle the truth, that's for sure.

              That's why I get all my news right here at Newsvine.

              • 3 votes
              #4.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
              intelligent one-411352

              That is funny Greg, I would add, watch MesSNBC

              • 1 vote
              #4.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:38 PM EDT
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              maddog-752810

              Who are the idiots in the government who are making these claims? I suppose their maids and butlers go out and do all the shopping for them. Food prices haven't gone down, they've stayed up since the fuel price gouging episode of last summer and although the price of fuel came down food prices didn't. Now fuel prices are going up again. Food prices will not go down at all. Even those sixty cent cans of coke are up to a buck now in spite of there being less than five cents worth of product per can. The only things going down are house prices - which were artifically inflated due to greed - and wages, now that there are so many unemployed people willing to fill jobs that don't pay a living wage.

              "Now, the threat of deflation has spurred the Federal Reserve to undertake an unprecedented program of “reflating” the economy with a $1 trillion expansion in lending to pump more money into the financial system."

              Yeah, like the $700000000000.00 bailout was supposed to do. Now their going to get a trillion more? Every day the smell from Washington gets worse.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#5 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:15 PM EDT
              Pat-297145

              Really, is this a fictitional article to keep people spending?? I hope they do fall a lot maybe then we can all start doing business and making money. I know one thing. the media may be catching on or finally admitting to as why we are not spending but they won't touch the gas issue. WOOOOOO DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GAS PRICES WOOOOO!! Here's my mantra again folks, gas never went all the way back to where it should be and they just can't wait to gamble it up again. Until they control big oil I ai'nt buying anybody's crap. I will buy used stuff.

              • 2 votes
              #5.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
              Own Up!!

              anyone look up what the tax is on a gallon of gas in their state? 40.4cents in colorado, 63.9 in California, http://www.coloradogasprices.com/tax_info.aspx Look up yours.

              I couldn't find a historical perspective--yet.

              • 1 vote
              #5.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
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              12345-908903

              Too bad things like food and gasoline prices aren't deflating. Those are items everyone has to buy. Having prices fall on discretionary goods is nice but not actually revealing or helpful. With respect to house prices, they were way overblown to begin with, pushed into the stratosphere by greedy realtors (bigger commissions) and sellers (bigger profit). Along with a lot of buying solely for the purpose of immediately turning the property over to gain a profit while prices were spiking. Just like the stock market felons. America is in the mess it is in now because of greed on the part of every player at every level. Everyone deserves a swift kick in the a##.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#6 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:17 PM EDT
              maddog-752810

              The really sad part of this is that it's all brought about by greed. Sales are down for many companies so what do they do? Instead of decreasing the cost of their products and trying to sell more to make up for the lose they increase their prices. Now how do they suppose people are going to buy their products and increase their revenues when they make their products unaffordable? Export them to China? You can make adjustments, you can try regulating but the bottom line is you can't fight greed and you can't regulate it. What we're seeing is assbackward thinking. I don't know what their teaching business students in college these days but whatever it is it isn't working.

                #6.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
                enoughsenough

                12345,

                I think one of the main reasons for the rapid rise in real estate was due to everybody being allowed to buy a house whether they could afford it or not. Because the demand went up, the prices followed, even if the value was not there. Real estate historically had been a good investment, but once the gov got involved by forcing banks to lend to risky borrowers, and backing those risky loans through freddie and fannie, it was only a matter of time until the house of cards came tumbling down.

                God Bless America

                • 4 votes
                #6.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT
                Dowser

                Good posts, folks.

                I wonder if it would be possible to give each and every economist, who loves to predict gloom and doom, a happy pill.

                I thought that costs on most goods went up because of the rise in fuel costs, meaning it took more money to ship goods to the stores. Well, gas has been down now for about a year, and costs have not lowered, that I can see. So, a little deflation could be a good thing--maybe more people could afford to eat.

                For example, in the past 6 months, Sam's Cola has gone from $.59 per liter to $.79 per liter. That is a 66% increase. It can be felt all across the board. So when do we get a break from the cost increases associated with higher fuel costs?

                BTW, I honestly think our economy will NOT survive another summer of $4.00/gal gas.

                • 1 vote
                #6.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 9:37 PM EDT
                Ernie Mercer-371446

                Dowser, that's a 34% increase. Still a lot, though.

                  #6.4 - Sun May 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT
                  Dowser

                  Ernie, thanks. Math has never been my strong suit! :-)

                    #6.5 - Sun May 17, 2009 11:41 PM EDT
                    Carlos Toadvine

                    I don't think energy prices will be allowed to drop too much.

                      #6.6 - Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:42 AM EDT
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                      jimp-649294

                      What deflation gas prices have risen .70 in 90 days REX the Exxon wonderthief is back at it again

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#7 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
                      grant-574290

                      Just the same as the Bush -Cheney days. The only change is Obama et al is taking the Bush Policies of Licking Wall Streets ASS to a completely different level . Think about it , as crooked as Paulson was, he is nothing next to Geithner. Bernanke still at the helm, something is clearly wrong with this picture. Handing out more Bananas is not the answer.

                      • 5 votes
                      #7.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
                      Texas Proud

                      You need to blame the traders on Wall Street for your high gasoline prices instead of the so called big oil companies. They are the ones who make money by the price of gasoline going up and down. All punishing the oil companies will do is force them overseas. As it is Exxon is based in Dallas, TX. and therefore subject to United States income taxes. We've already seen this with Haliburton moving their corporate headquarters to Dubai. In addition how are you going to punish BP and Shell who are based overseas. I've been in the oil business for 39 years and it still amazes me how ignorant of the energy industry most people are.

                      • 6 votes
                      #7.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:30 PM EDT
                      Carlos Toadvine

                      I believe the government intends to curtail energy consumption by raising taxes on it under the premise of saving the earth. The government profits handsomely from the consumption of gas and uses the revenue as they wish.

                        #7.3 - Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:45 AM EDT
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                        David Krause

                        Oh please, someone from the Labor Department needs to come live with me for a month, and I'll show them what bull cr^p deflation is. A 6 once can of tuna is now 5 onces, but the price is the same. Do the math, thats a 17% INCREASE in price. I used to be able to buy 100 paper plates for 99 cents. Now there's 72 plates in the package for the same 99 cents. That's a 28% INCREASE.

                        And you idiots need to quit blaming Obama for all this. Where were your rants for the last 8 years when Bush & Cheney took us down the toilet?

                        • 11 votes
                        Reply#8 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
                        john-665136

                        Watching my 401K actually grow!
                        Keep blaming Bush you sheepish moron!!
                        Your one of the ones who put these IDIOT dems in power!

                        • 8 votes
                        #8.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
                        Florida_kes

                        Your one of the ones who put these IDIOT dems in power!

                        Who are trying to fix the damage done by the mega-idiot cons!

                        • 6 votes
                        #8.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
                        john-665136

                        theyre doing a great job hey???

                        Look at the statisics! Enough said!

                        Demowits are SINKING this country as you blind IDIOTS follow throwing flower pedals at they`re feet!

                        • 7 votes
                        #8.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
                        john-665136

                        Like they "fixed" california right?

                        They`re "fixing" it alright! Like in fixing a fight!

                        • 3 votes
                        #8.4 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
                        Corporate Commando

                        hey john 666...this was all caused by your buddy "W" and his failed polices.

                        Face the facts man!

                        "mission accomplished"

                        • 5 votes
                        #8.5 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
                        Lee-453088

                        David, in response to your first paragraph. I agree. If the costs of good and services has been inflated, say 8% due to GREED not NEED, and now they went down 3%, aren't they still making more money than they need? I guess I should have been a little less Dr. Seuss, but readers get what I mean. There's been alot of false inflation and everyone wanted just a little more. Now look where we are? We're being warned that a tiny, tiny percentage of price reduction is going to ruin us. I laugh at that.

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.6 - Fri May 15, 2009 4:58 PM EDT
                        smathers

                        Do so many of you actually think the government controls that much? They fix the prices for the products that you see in the store? The government is not in the business of fixing everything nor should it provide everything either. It does seem the majority of the posters here believe that good or bad rests solely in the hands of whatever political party is in power. How wonderfully naive!

                        Children, isn't it time to stop being a nation of "gimme's" as in gimme a job, gimme healthcare, gimme food, gimme life without taxes, gimme security without responsibility.

                        Maybe that has become one of the real problems for America. Instead of personal responsibility we want to be handed everything, work for nothing and bitch when we haven't been given our way.

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.7 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:56 PM EDT
                        CBWY777Deleted
                        freudianslip

                        The problem isn't Democrat or Republican - it's both.

                        It's that we don't elect people based on their ideas, we choose not to re-elect people that screwed up. The Republicans lost because people saw them as screwing up, and the Democrats won because they were not Republicans (I'm saying this as someone fairly liberal). Give it another4-5 years, it'll be back to Republicans, then back to Democrats and each one will dig us further and further in. We need more parties, so we can vote on ideas rather than as a punishment to those in office (and term limits too, while we're at it).

                        I just hope YouTube has enough space for all of the videos that will be referenced there in the next 10 years... :-)

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.9 - Fri May 15, 2009 10:53 PM EDT
                        CBWY777Deleted
                        Are eh?

                        Unfortunately, Cowboy, the damage is already done.

                          #8.11 - Sat May 16, 2009 7:48 PM EDT
                          Gordon90N

                          CBWY777,

                          I'm afraid that we've waited too long to make the necessary adjustments that might have prevented this meltdown. There is now a vast number of people who are eligible to vote, don't work, but expect to have everything that people who work have, without paying (working) for those "fruits of labor". Before their numbers got as large as they are now, we should have had a Constitutional Amendment, stating that if you are not paying income taxes, you have NO right to vote !

                          The problem has expanded exponentially, we have too many people who are NOT contributing to society, but expect to have everything that those who work to have them have. The Democrats and the Unions are more than happy to provide these items, as long as they vote for them. There are now more than enough of these people that want everything given to them, to put and keep the Democrats and Unions in power. The US is speeding towards being a socialist country.

                          Our founding fathers would be very disappointed that we didn't protect all that they worked so hard to pass on to future generations !

                          • 1 vote
                          #8.12 - Sun May 17, 2009 5:21 AM EDT
                          Reply
                          Simpler Man

                          The american consumer is broke anyway and in debt so I don't know who can buy even if prices our supposedly going down, but I'm stating the obvious.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#9 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
                          Robbie-803199

                          What are these idiots talking about?  I haven't seen any deflation everything from bread to milk and eggs have gone up and stayed up. 

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#10 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:46 PM EDT
                          LS-415070

                          Milk in my area has gone down. Was $3.99 to $4.29 a gallon; now I'm paying 1.99. Eggs are $.89 a dozen. That's a decrease.

                          • 1 vote
                          #10.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
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                          Jerry-717044

                          Look, real inflation figures have somehow been minimized for the past 5 or 6 years, expecially since 2003 and 2008, those figures have been absolutely incorrect. So, consequently, prices are now dropping to the point that they are beginning to fall into the "wheel-house" of the average American..............nothing to worry about at this time. When gas went to $4 plus, all prices rose drastically, but are just now starting to turn downward, except for gas, which did lower just before the election in 2008.

                          However, Wall Street and lending institution greed over the past 7-8 years with the blessing of the Bush Whitehouse and Repbulican congress, brought this all down. I'm surprised I'm one of the few to see it coming; I got out of the stock market and into money market funds in August 2007, and went back in in March 2009; This Democrat is making a killing in the market!

                          I knew it couldn't last with esculating home prices, consumer and financial industry credit card abuse, and the general excessive life style by both our young and mid-range aged Americans and being totaly irresponsible in major purchases. It was full speed ahead, and buy, buy, buy no matter what the cost and risk. I kenw it wouldn't last! And now it is just leveling out!

                          And, I predicted in the summer 2008 that Bush oil cronies caused the gas price increases to force congress, through fear tactics to approve American off-shore oil and Anwar Province production before Bush left office; didn't work thanks to the new Democratic congress, (I love this two party system) and prices dropped by late October 2008, just when I said it would before the election to hopefully help get a Republican White house again. Scary, but there are only a few Republican Americans controling the strings of this country, and about 25% of Americans who can't afford to vote for their heavy handiness are convinced through fear tactics regarding minorities, religion, and gays to vote for their political cronies to continue their greed.

                          Hey, it is all about making money in this world, just be smart about how you handle your money, and how you vote, and "all is good!"

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#11 - Fri May 15, 2009 12:59 PM EDT
                          maddog-752810

                          Note to big business and the U.S. government. I'm sorry but these games your playing in your corporate board meetings and in congress are not games. This country and its economy isn't a big monopoly board where you can take reckless chances to boost profits and taxes it's real living people with children and families. These are the ones who are suffering while you overlords play your silly game of greed. We're taught and told to be good hardworking citizens but we still loose, in some cases everything. These games your playing don't just affect you and the other players it affects every citizen in this country. We're all supposed to be proud americans but I'm seeing very little to be proud of anymore. If big business's can't operate without making massive profits, if the government can't operate without taxing the hell out if its citizens then the whole game has become nothing more than a pathetic page in history.

                          • 1 vote
                          #11.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT
                          Reply
                          RSB-841033

                          What horrible journalism. I stopped reading after the first few paragraphs and scanned the rest, but they seem to completely forget that the CPI went up in April about the same it went up in March, and that the only reason we are seeing deflation (which will get much worse over the next few months, then drop back to inflation by years end) is because of the rampant price increases seen last summer because of oil shooting up. Try reporting all the details for once, instead of trying to scare people into reading your regurgitated vomit.

                          We are not experiencing actual deflation, we have the guise of it, due to last years CPI spike. Year over year, there will be marginal in/de-flation and things will be 'normal' again next year, provided the government doesn't go running in circles spending all our countries BORROWED money (since they already spent all of our tax dollars) like the talking heads say needs to be done to curtail the deflation and stop the recession. Way to go 24 hour news agencies, thanks for making things worse yet again.

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#12 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:26 PM EDT
                          RandyNason

                          You're absolutely right! Well said.

                            #12.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:37 PM EDT
                            Marty-308743

                            I agree

                              #12.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:41 PM EDT
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                              Warchief#1

                              What a crock of sh*t.If they are falling the oil companies are raising prices so they can take what little people have left.Obama and the congress bums are just going to watch them raise it to.They claimed they were going to put a stop to it.Yeah right.More politicians lies and empty promises.

                                Reply#13 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:27 PM EDT
                                Lynn-300649

                                Warchief, you got that right. Obviously they don't go to the grocery store or gas station. When is the American public going to get real, just because Obama says it does not make it true.

                                • 1 vote
                                #13.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
                                maddog-752810

                                If the oil prices go up, even if not to the levels of last summer, are economy is doomed. Congress, get your head out of big oils ass and get some control over the futures market before these greedy bastards ruin us all. Obama, I didn't vote for you but I was hoping you and congress would seriously do something with the issues facing us.....so far I've been greatly disappointed.

                                  #13.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 4:37 PM EDT
                                  Den-656748

                                  Thats why Obama is smart to push green tech and electric cars.

                                  Half of oil goes to make gasoline and pushing hybrids and electric cars will SPOOK the oil industry. This effectively keeps a CEILING on what they can charge for oil.

                                  Obamas policies, in a few years time, will KEEP OIL CHEAPER.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #13.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT
                                  MAINE BUSHPILOT

                                  It takes more energy to charge the battery in one of those pieces of crap than to put gas in it.. You couldn't get out of my yard in the winter in an electric car... gimme a f-250 turbo deisel.............Can't even use auto fuel in my airplane now that they put ethanol in it.. Instead of $2.25 a gal. auto fuel i have to put in $4.00 + av-gas....Sucks!!

                                    #13.4 - Fri May 15, 2009 8:57 PM EDT
                                    Ernie Mercer-371446

                                    "It takes more energy to charge the battery in one of those pieces of crap than to put gas in it.."

                                    Wrong. The engine in a car is only about 20% efficient at converting fuel into mechanical energy. A fossil-fueled power plant is close to 40% efficient in producing electrical energy. And the fact that a lot of our power plants (hydroelectric and nuclear) don't use fossil fuel at all, means that it's FAR more efficient to run your car on electricity.

                                      #13.5 - Sun May 17, 2009 10:06 PM EDT
                                      Reply
                                      RandyNason

                                      The corporations need to be broken up so they're not so powerful/controlling/intrusive in people's personal lives and the CEO's called to task so that they actually do for the companies what they were hired to do; make money, not crooked deals. Prices will fluctuate for awhile; that's what they do. Meanwhile, these concerns need to be addressed so that this sort of non-oversight/deregulation does not happen again... too soon.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#14 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
                                      maddog-752810

                                      Right Randy, this country has been here before, though in a different guise. If history serves didn't this country have a problem with corporations getting to big and to powerful? Teddy Roosevelt (trust buster) helped somewhat back in the day but the same problem has come back to haunt us. When corporations get so big, bloated and powerful that they have more power than our government and are allowed to pursue their freedom to be greedy then we as a nation have lost.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #14.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 2:02 PM EDT
                                      Simpler Man

                                      Collusion, collusion, collusion. Collusion with themselves. Collusion with the Federal government. Break 'em up!

                                        #14.2 - Sun May 17, 2009 6:12 AM EDT
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                                        troubled_american

                                        Ok, the Bush bashers are out again. Everyone keeps overlooking the democrats hand in this mess. If you haven't seen the Barney Franks video, then you need to google it and see it for yourself. Bush tried to put controls on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, but was blocked by the democrats, especially Barney Franks, who stated that there was no problem with the housing markets and the sub-prime loans. This was back at the turn of the century. This is what led to the housing mess. As to oil, I love the way people think that the president controls the price of oil. It is a commodity traded on the market, and the market players are the ones who drove the prices up to make money. The president, congress, even Exxon have no control over the market traders. so to say that Bush's oil cronies intentionally drove up the price is BS. Both parties put us in this mess, but the problem with obama is his policies are making it worse. They have not learned from history and are repeating the same mistakes.

                                        The stimulus package, that just had to be passed without reading it, was strictly payback to all the voters who put obama in office. (I believe it was his chief of staff who said you can't let a good crisis go to waste.) Even with chrysler and GM, he is still paying back the unions. The money they are spending will put our grand kids in debt, and the amount of money he wants to spend will bury our future generations. The stimulus package, along with his projected budgets for the next ten years are not sustainable, and will further hurt the economy.

                                        So Jerry, get over you smugness and consider yourself lucky if in fact you did get out of the market. You are hypocritical in that you state that the greed of Wall Street and Lending Institution is what brought the system down, and then you state, "Hey, it is all about making money in this world, just be smart about how you handle your money, and how you vote, and "all is good!"". This just shows you are greedy also. Between that, the constant gloom that obama put out to further his causes, as well as the constant negativity from the media, in their quest to get obama elected are all players in this madness. Since our economy is 70 percent consumer based, the constant fear put out by our leaders to further their own goals became a self fulfilling prophecy. They drove people to hoard, instead of doing what they would normally do, and this fear, along with the obscene spending by our government will make it worse.

                                        We need to vote out every congressman and senator, and the current administration as soon as possible, as they are all corrupt and liars. We also need to get rid of the two party system and start electing people who have our interests in mind, and not how they can manipulate the system to their own benefit.

                                        • 6 votes
                                        Reply#15 - Fri May 15, 2009 1:37 PM EDT
                                        Jerry-717044

                                        The point is my friend, I did it above board, using what I saw happening and simply took advantage of what Wall St and financial institution CEOs gave me to work with, "all legally, ethically, and the Capitalist American Way!", not how Wall Street and finance companies did; we all saw how they did it and used lobbyists to reduce oversighte and increase their incomes through deception, deceit, all w/o concern about this country or for that matter the companies they worked for. But, that is Capitalism, I love it, but Capitalism's downfall will always be "lack of oversight!" because it IS all about profit and bettering ones self.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #15.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:06 PM EDT
                                        Reply
                                        TerryoMSN

                                        I would have to believe that the effects of continual outsourcing and offshoring of American jobs was known before it started; decreasing wages, increased competition for lower paying jobs, decreased tax base, lower sales, lower profits in an unending cycle.

                                        The question is why would anyone willingly go down the NAFTA path when this is the inevitable end to it? As a country with a higher standard of living, you cannot trade on an equal basis with a country with a lower standard of living, unless you are willing to trade that higher standard of living for the lower one. We're seeing the effects of NAFTA's vision right now and will continue to see until the cart is turned right side up again.

                                        The only beneficiary of NAFTA continues to be large mult-national corporations now. Lower wages mean higher profits in the short run. However, we are seeing that "sales" cannot continue their upward trends in the US because the American consumer has been damaged so greatly.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#16 - Fri May 15, 2009 2:08 PM EDT
                                        Hang The ScumBumDeleted
                                        banshee8989

                                        What a joke….

                                        My electric bill has tripled in the past 5 years.

                                        My gas bill has double in the past five years.

                                        I see gas is now up to $2.40 at the pump here in Connecticut and climbing fast for some unknown reason.

                                        I had a wage freeze this year and my health insurance went up so I really had a wage decrease.

                                        Prices dropping????? On what? Can one person an name anything that the price has dropped on in the last year?

                                        The government still thinks people aren’t buying cars because they cant get financing. NEWS FLASH!!!!!! We aren’t buying cars because we cant afford them.

                                        • 7 votes
                                        Reply#18 - Fri May 15, 2009 2:48 PM EDT
                                        hartcamargo

                                        Here in San Francisco Ca, the gas is over $2.50 already! Whenever prices go up I see it first, then when they go supposedly down, we don't see it.

                                          #18.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
                                          Texas Proud

                                          I provide an oil field service to the drilling companies and my prices have dropped by 25% since the start of the year. But it didn't do a lot of good since we've stacked over 60% of our domestic drilling rigs in the past 3 months. That's at the unemployment increase of at least 20 people per rig.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #18.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:38 PM EDT
                                          swamprat1

                                          Banshee, the reason gas prices are going up is because the refinerys have slowed production to creat an artificial shortage, The claim it was to put a floor on gas prices falling. Well they certainly aren't falling anymore. The so called floor is rising, not staying put. This was from a report I read the other day on energy prices. Funny, but I thought there was a law against manipulating energy prices.

                                            #18.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 7:36 PM EDT
                                            Tom-495906

                                            Absolutely correct swamprat. if the libertarian morons here paid attention to the fact that oil AND gas reserves have been GROWING since last fall, they'd see that the current price rise is totally artificial, created by 'oil' companies (who now largely just market oil products, and don't actually own any of the stuff) because they still have some ability to manipulate prices. Come Memorial Day, and no rise in driving, and watch the prices collapse just like housing - which is STILL in freefall.

                                              #18.4 - Fri May 15, 2009 8:17 PM EDT
                                              freudianslip

                                              Not only have they been growing here, there are several tankers full of oil sitting in the ocean because it's actually cheaper to rent the tanker and wait for prices to go back up than to have it refined right now (I'm sorry, I don't have a YouTube video link to post :-) ).

                                              I do disagree that prices are going to plummet, though - stay at $2.50 maybe, but not go down. It's a fine line between manipulating prices and "upgrading/servicing" refineries.

                                                #18.5 - Fri May 15, 2009 11:00 PM EDT
                                                freudianslip

                                                Sorry, I forgot to add Wall Street speculation. And hurricanes :-).

                                                  #18.6 - Fri May 15, 2009 11:24 PM EDT
                                                  Are eh?

                                                  ". . . housing - which is STILL in freefall."

                                                  Is it, Tom, or do you see that the bottom has passed, but you are trying to extend the 'fire-sale' real estate prices?

                                                    #18.7 - Sat May 16, 2009 7:55 PM EDT
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                                                    John-638398

                                                    I find it hilarious when they print articles like this stating falling prices are bad. Look whats happening to the American Middle Class:

                                                    Stagnant Wages (2-3% increases per year)
                                                    Rapidly rising health care costs
                                                    Rapidly Rising Taxes (Fed and State)
                                                    People losing jobs and homes

                                                    Now,
                                                    Government employees/Politicians getting 10%+ raises a year
                                                    CEO's / executives getting huge bonuses while shafting the workers.

                                                    Seriously, something has to give. Its supply and demand. People just don't have the money for frivalous spending like they used to, so demand is gone. Its amazing how many of these top economic advisors don't realize this.

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    Reply#19 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
                                                    intelligent one-411352

                                                    John this shouldn't surprise us, even though unemployment continues to rise, funny that government jobs are in fact increasing, remember this is the change the Democrats voted for, bigger Government.

                                                    And forget about the old Supply and Demand song and dance, after all the demand for oil continues to drop, and the supply continues to increase you would think that prices would come down, funny how even though OPEC stopped producing some 4 million barrels of oil a day and the EIA saying that demand will be down by around half a million more barrels a day oil still remains strong.

                                                    Also this article is in direct contradiction to the story in yesterdays headlines on MSN that stated:

                                                    The Labor Department said Thursday that wholesale prices climbed 0.3 percent last month, a larger increase than the 0.1 percent that economists had expected.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #19.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
                                                    Reply
                                                    hartcamargo

                                                    The prices have gone down?? I guess I missed the memo.....

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#20 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
                                                    Jim -1089964

                                                    I hve not been able to see declining prices in anything I need daily, food, meds, utilities, maintance materials, insurance or even property taxes. Infact, I have seen increase in all of these since last fall. I think maybe the press is perpetuating political propaganda.

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    Reply#21 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:24 PM EDT
                                                    Lee-453088

                                                    Yes. I agree, Jim. I don't get how falling prices are hurting me in any way. I think prices for goods and services have gone up due to GREED and not real costs over the last 5 years anyway.

                                                      #21.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 4:54 PM EDT
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                                                      Kenneth Lane

                                                      Sounds like a dream come true for those who brought us this Depression------Republicans must be glowing at the continued decrease in real wages for American workers--------------for this is what Republicans are all about--stickin it to the workers!

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      Reply#22 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:29 PM EDT
                                                      amused-533781

                                                      nice liberal union rhetoric. you really have the talking points down cold.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #22.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
                                                      Bartman-372555

                                                      Typical right wing response Don't address the issues, simply put down the other guy

                                                        #22.2 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT
                                                        enoughsenough

                                                        Bartman,

                                                        If Kenneth had said anything that addressed the issue, maybe amused would not have made his comment. This right vs left s*** has to stop. The leaders of this country are following policies that have historically failed time and time again. It has been going on for decades and until Americans start taking responsibility for their lives and not expecting the government to be the end all for all our problems, my children will grow up in a country that will not resemble anything that my parents knew.

                                                        God Bless America

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #22.3 - Fri May 15, 2009 6:52 PM EDT
                                                        Are eh?

                                                        This country already fails to resemble anything that either my parents knew, or that I knew in my childhood. Today's children will only know government as the all-intrusive beast that it has become, and will continue to become regardless of who wields the scepter of power. But think of it . . . people today consider personal intrusions as "normal," and the right of government - which it most definately is not. But when today's children are adults, the intrusiveness of government will be a natural part of their life. It has long been known that to affect a change, get the kids, and our government is doing a masterful job.

                                                        As for deflation - doesn't exist. Oh, it's an economic theory, all right, but it's far from having any effect on the American economy. Most people are just too savvy. Their daily shopping shows them the truth.

                                                          #22.4 - Fri May 15, 2009 9:02 PM EDT
                                                          Reply
                                                          freudianslip

                                                          Has anyone ever put together a compilation of MSNBC economy stories about consumers? These seem to be trudged out with every month's new numbers - either consumers aren't spending enough or they've spent too much and are in debt. Whatever consumers are doing, it's WRONG!

                                                          And I agree with the comments on prices of food/gas not getting any cheaper, and the size getting smaller. I watch the bills closely, and prices are not dropping.

                                                            Reply#23 - Fri May 15, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
                                                            Lee-453088

                                                            I'm so stupid. I didn't get the math. How are lower prices hurting me personally? I have always lived within my means and my husband lost his job. So, if our income is zero and prices keep falling, what are my real costs again?????

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            Reply#24 - Fri May 15, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
                                                            Are eh?

                                                            See Comment #8. Perhaps you are lucky enough to shop where prices are falling, but you may need to look a little more closely.

                                                              #24.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 9:08 PM EDT
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                                                              Den-656748

                                                              New reality from globalization are coming.  Wage in China is $20/week.  In india its 40 Cents/day and same for Vietnam. hose wages are being imported into the US via layoffs in US industry.

                                                              We will be LUCKY if we only experience what Japan had in the 1990's.  Japan had huge foreign currency reserves but US is the largest debtor nation.

                                                              Isn't free trade great !

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              Reply#25 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
                                                              Minan59

                                                              I think you nailed it on the head there Den.

                                                                #25.1 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:43 PM EDT
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                                                                MicSavvy

                                                                You know what's not going down... the amount of useless opinions on either side of the right left debate. How many times has anyone expressed an opinion only to find nothing changes no matter who is in control? You know what I think? I think no one cares what I think. So there.

                                                                  Reply#26 - Fri May 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT
                                                                  Are eh?

                                                                  Mic hasn't heard of psychology.

                                                                    #26.1 - Sat May 16, 2009 8:08 PM EDT
                                                                    sandyshores

                                                                    This shows how dumbed down people in the USA truly are the USA was in great shape we had a great economy and we had to many jobs before the democrats became the majority. You don't have the brains to see how all of the democratic scams are destroying this nation go get help your brain stoped working.

                                                                      #26.2 - Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:56 AM EDT
                                                                      dongle

                                                                      Sorry - before George Bush Junior we had all those great things you mention. It only took two years of George Bush before things started going "down hill".

                                                                      This down-turn was for-shadowed by the fall in CD interest rates - from 8% prior to George Bush to less than 2% - barely two years after his election.

                                                                      Your post does show how dumbed down the Religious Idiot - Conservative movement that elected George Bush and a Republican congress for Eight Years actually has become.

                                                                        #26.3 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:30 PM EDT
                                                                        intelligent one-411352

                                                                        Um I believe that there was a terrorist attack on America, like seven months into his presidency, Oh yeah Pelosi, and Reid, and Dodd, and Obama all say that was Bush's fault kinda like a natural disaster, that was his fault too, oh and the war, and the economy, yeah and that's why the Eagles lost the super bowl too, yeah and that's why there was a fly in my soup cause it was BUSH'S FAULT.

                                                                        Can you please come up with a different excuse or is it that you just can't justify what is happening to our out of touch congress, and white house.

                                                                          #26.4 - Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:41 PM EDT
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